The Office Theories - Character Secrets

What's Michael hiding? Or Kevin? Who's definitely not the Strangler?
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[@MrMaxflores11]

Bob Vance married Phyllis so he could be in the documentary and advertise his business for free.

[@chrisryan91]

At the VERY LEAST he only spoke that way around the cameras

[@rw3865]

how dare you, their love is as pure as the driven snow.

[@MaMa_HQ]

I'm convinced Bob Vance was the head of the mob. And his Refrigeration company is a front for the mob and his true income source.

[@edswartzify]

Bob vance of Vance refrigeration?

[@Wiilike2tube]

Remember when they had sex in the bathroom during their double date with Jim and Pam?...pretty sure Bob wanted more than free advertising.

[@Jack-vi7bq]

Kevin was the drummer AND singer for his band Scrantonicity. The ironic part is, in order to play the unique drum patterns of The Police and sing at the same time, you have to be insanely coordinated and basically be a musical genius. Brian Bumgarner confirmed this in an interview

[@arpit7626]

Scrantonicity 2.0

[@poogmaster1]

Like Levon Helm lol

[@Kiannka]

Definitely! What I always loved about Kevin in the beginning was how he wasnt as dumb as people said he was, he was smart in other ways

[@jentegeeraerts1119]

Could also be Kevin has savant syndrome, a rare condition in which poeple with some sort of mental disability have some "island of genius" area marked in their brain in which they have pretty insane capabilities. Kevin's area of genius would then be mathematics because there is a very real connection between mathematical skill and musical skill, both of which he has shown in the show. This doesn't explain how he did so well at the quiz though, though maybe you could argue he figured out an algorithm of some sort to get more questions right?

[@spencerkelly164]

Just like Phil Collins

[@the_RCB_films]

I want a series that is like breaking bad, and its just about how kevin infiltrated an office and stole millions.

[@whyismyratdead549]

That's such a good idea

[@imMATTure]

Office Space extended play

[@ClaraMercury]

jesse pinkman and kevin working together

[@sergeantsainsburys9181]

Rewiring circus boards and stealing when the buildings on fire aint easy

[@Silly_Illidan]

I knew the first I heard his name, this was one shady dude

[@starkidchickie928]

I think that Michael was emotionally abused or neglected as a child. His parents would laugh or give him positive attention when he made jokes, especially inappropriate ones, so he always falls back to them when things start to go awry. He will do anything to make people happy about him. This can sometimes be the result of emotional abuse because the child spent all their time chasing approval that was given sooooo rarely.

[@luciadellalbani7667]

yeah there's a similar comment under this video about this as well and i think you're both totally right.. there are so many scenes that cater proof for this theory! whenever he talks about his mother and step-father Jeff, when he talks about being bullied at school.. and maybe he does not hate Toby for being an HR rep, but because he is a therapist and he might have been forced to meet a therapist when he was younger

[@madisongraves4637]

It would definitely explain his borderline unhealthy desire for the perfect family.

[@mrillis9259]

He was oxygen deprived at birth, couldn't speak till 6 is a common symptom. Ronda Rousey had a similar event in her early life.

[@jacoboddie5364]

Sorry I know it's an old comment but,Also the episode where he was aired on tv as a child. He was probably put on there as a cash grab from his parents. He talks about making people his friends so he was probably very isolated as a symptom of his parents abuse

[@Silly_Illidan]

Unless u r Toby which for some reason is on Scott's hitlist

[@Charlie1875]

“Fair warning, spoilers ahead” Me who’s seen the show 7 times: “…yes…”

[@SirFigBar]

7 times??? That's amateure numbers! [This is a joke]

[@hiscountrigal1764]

Only 7? What are you doing with your life lol

[@kingofhellsdaydream]

Me whos on my first watch through and hasn't gotten to the last season yet: ...I'll live...

[@iamapokerface8992]

ok

[@andrewboudreau5279]

I watched 7 times last month (read in Dwight voice) 😂

[@Yaniv.C]

The greatest scene in all of the Office is Creed running away after being told “there’s been a murder”. Also…when Creed says… “it’s Halloween! That is really really good timing”. Pure genius.

[@deeethier1544]

And on the Christmas episode where philis says something about a lump of coal for those who have been bad Creed is like "what if you've been really bad? More like morally wrong and evil?" Lmao how does nobody suspect him of being the strangler when he's the one who clearly implies he's a criminal throughout the entire show lol!

[@gail6935]

Or Season 8, Episode 17 when Toby was teaching them self defense. The Hit, Scream, Run 🤣

[@atilatdmp]

Sorry but nothing beats "hit, scream, run" moment 😂😂😂😂 I really cry of laughing

[@gergosz3609]

Meredith was one of the main reasons why the scranton branch was so profitable, they had the best salesmen, and discounts on their supplies

[@Felipera_]

Discounts so huge, mind you, that they allowed her completely unacceptable behavior to continue.

[@Niberspace]

I don't really understand this, seems her advances offering herself for free are causing men to flee, yet for that successful CEO he was willing to pay hundreds of thousands (through discounts) for that same offering?

[@gergosz3609]

@@Niberspace yea

[@Niberspace]

@@gergosz3609 AND steaks on top of that, I almost forgot about the fancy steaks

[@heliosgnosis2744]

Parrell dimension Pam aka Meredith must have the same set of skills or something, whatever everyone is talking about lmao

[@YouLousyKids]

The most frustrating part of The Office is that we never got to see the moment when they watch the documentary series and see all the secrets they were hiding from each other and the opinions they put to camera. We never got to see their stunned reaction to Creed getting a woman fired and stealing the cash for her, Meredith's secret drinking, etc.

[@roarmbee7045]

My theory: The reason Michael acted like a child in the office and always wanted a kid, is because he had an abusive relationship in his childhood, think about it. Michael wanted to treat his coworkers as a family but he don't know why because he had never felt loved by his mom or his step-dad. Michael is also acted like a child in the office because he never experienced a better childhood. And lastly Michael wanted to have a kid so bad because he wanted to be a better parent than his step-father or mother

[@soundinsight1076]

Michael was 100% molested

[@freethesoft1088]

So true!

[@edthehuman9626]

@@soundinsight1076 hahaha omg

[@michaellind1281]

Damn, son...

[@krisraita9807]

Thats why he so narcissistic

[@Odezez]

I don’t think Michael is a genius but I do strongly believe he’s WAY smarter then he lets on

[@kvmairforce]

@Lili Applauds I had a co-worker like this. I thought Michael was fictional, until I worked with this individual for three years. It was like working in The Office, very funny, but also very aggravating at times. I would just wait for the reactions, it was entertaining.

[@rook6591]

Michael wants to be liked. He may javelin learned to act silly in order to get ppl to like him.

[@pokemontradingcardgamecoll5934]

*smarter than (not "smarter then")

[@spaghettiyeti1445]

“Secrets secrets are no fun, secrets secrets hurt someone.” - Elizabeth the Stripper, more presidential than Ben Franklin

[@kevinbumgardner3553]

Ben Franklin wasn't a president...

[@spaghettiyeti1445]

@@kevinbumgardner3553 have you seen the show

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

@@kevinbumgardner3553 we now know that being president doesn’t make you presidential.

[@thePompousRhombus]

i thought she was a nurse

[@fuzzyslippers7520]

Secret secrets*

[@foraginglesbian]

So on the whole "Kevin bought a bar so he had to be doing something bad" In deleted scenes it is explained that after to doc aired so many people wanted to buy him drinks, but kevin didnt drink, so he just saved them as bar credits. The credits piled up and reached around 16k so the owners agreed to make him a partner because it was cheaper. Hope that helps

[@DrJ-hx7wv]

Why honor that debt? They didn't have to pay anything.

[@snowfairy8350]

@@DrJ-hx7wv If the people paid the bar and the bar didn’t actually provide Kevin with drinks then it did have to honor that debt otherwise the earnings and ending inventory wouldn’t add up which would get them in trouble for fraud.

[@beatles42ohgg94]

@@DrJ-hx7wv some bars have literal drink tokens you buy for people. you can take them home and use them whenever. i had like 15 at one point in time and didnt even know it. 3 people at the same time buy you a drink. but you literally just stopped in for a quick rum and coke and a baag of weed

[@yeburner]

@@DrJ-hx7wv it makes kinda sense they made him a partner, since they got to be a location in the finale and that is a really big promotion

[@stanleyhape8427]

yeah the Kevin was stealing money from the company idea was completely wrong.

[@PhantomCounty]

My theory is that the Scranton Strangler was Devon White, from Season One. When Michael had to let someone go, and Creed convinced Michael to sack Devon instead of him, Devon (who clearly had anger issues) became the Strangler. Evidence: 1.) Devon’s Halloween costume (a hobo) had a similar hat as the Strangler’s police sketch. 2.) It could explain why the same car the police are chasing when “the Strangler” was apprehended, was seen in the Dunder Mifflin parking lot in earlier seasons (because Devon was stalking Michael or Creed.) and 3.) There is deleted footage online of a trip Michael takes to NYC years after Devon’s firing, where he (allegedly) has a run-in with Devon, and he is still furious. Perhaps he was still stalking Michael? It’s not a perfect theory, because the evidence is slim and George Howard Skub can’t really be explained away, but it’s MY theory on who the Scranton Strangler was. 🤔

[@kamimunOfficial]

Nice

[@howardhamlin5901]

Holy shit that's a solid theory

[@realfakematt]

You can easily explain Skub. He was innocent and being in prison as an innocent man drove him crazy with anger. Skub wanted revenge on the jurors so when Toby showed Skub went nuts and strangled him. Cause if you lock up George Howard Skub he's going to give you a reason, plus it's Toby, and don't we all wish we could strangle Toby?

[@FoldTrace]

Maybe that's why Toby didn't even recognized him

[@thrawnedits5860]

Creed has definitely killed people but he isn’t the strangler

[@ObviouslyGreg]

I don’t think Creed has dementia because he only changed his hair at said he was 30 because Creed thought Ryan was out to get rid of the old timers as he told to Michael

[@AysayaKadyente]

faking dementia*

[@SuperG3cko]

Also, during that period, people were complaining about the printer ink running low...

[@EM-wo6wf]

@@SuperG3cko Wait I didn’t catch that 😭

[@youtubeonly7271]

Kevin's theory is the best. I think they're all spot on. Kevin wanted more screen time BECAUSE he wanted to convince everyone he was stupid. Both of these points are related to each other. Kevin's false stupidity is shown in the yard sale episode where Darryl and Andy think they're easily duping Kevin while playing their version of Dallas but we figure out Kevin was onto them the entire time, one step ahead and ended up duping them quite easily.

[@GetOverHer3]

no kevin is dumb the show just get's more and more cartoonish

[@MRVukable]

I think Angela would jave ratted him out if he was pretending

[@stephenmoney4722]

@@GetOverHer3 kevin’s actor said that the writers had a secret joke about kevin. in his police cover band: scrantonocity , the real band The Police are known for setting the drum beat AND THEN start singing off of that beat. which is almost impossible if you are singing AND drumming which kevin does in the show. In order to do that, you would need to be a musical savant.

[@DanieldeAlcaniz]

My theory is that Michael has ADHD and sales/negotiation is his hyperfocus.

[@jacobwest6457]

Uh-huh duh

[@DS.the1st]

Wordddddddd

[@Sweaty__Sheep]

@@ninthdoctor7918 that's interesting, they aren't similar by definition but if your experience of them may be similar then I can't argue.

[@ferrm1992]

I feel like he sells by not selling. The customer sometimes responds more to necessity, flattering, or just good dialogue. And he just tries to make the customer (or anyone actually) like him

[@he.said.teenjiejer]

oooooh…

[@thecustomizer2008]

What i want to know is if anyone ever changed the clocks in the office, michaels watch and car clock back to there og time

[@marwasultan5465]

Sir. Never thought of this until now. How will I ever sleep?!?!!!!??

[@PastorGooch]

I'm thinking Michael just fixed it later off camera and blew it off.

[@iamapokerface8992]

their* how dumb can someone be and do not know the difference like wtf

[@iamapokerface8992]

wtf does that even mean

[@Silly_Illidan]

No.... Hence the deviation in reality.. The ancient one told us about this yet we didn't listen

[@annedunne5075]

Bob Vance is definitely in organized crime - when Phyllis is planning her wedding she mentions Bob has another family in Ho Chi Minh city (Vietnam) and doesn't want any drama. Yes, he is a veteran, but many veterans become disillusioned to the American dream and can know the limits a man can take for a few people's personal power... maybe when he got back to Scranton he just decided it should be him. Beyond telling Karen she has a lot to learn about this town, Phyllis often suggests her primary instinct if she is in trouble is to call Bob, like when Jim is also boss and she is finally allowed to be Santa. "Don't make me get Bob involved" while clueless Jim says "what would Bob do" leading to her saying she's said too much... Michael is terrified of him, I think because after making a fool of himself at his wedding, Bob definitely sent Michael some messages in some form or another that said do not try me again. It's already been said that his constant push of Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration is viral marketing but it also actually constantly makes his front seem like an involved community business, which it is, but maybe not entirely because of refrigerators. In her life with Bob, Phyllis has the confidence and affluence of a mob wife - the way she bullies with passive aggression, calling people sweety, but probably staying away from Angela knowing how often that woman calls the authorities to investigate people (called social services because Pam drinks tea from mugs that had coffee in them, called the INS on Oscar, pre ICE reference also...). Phyllis is judgmental of Pam and Jim's house, asks Pam if her comic was made because of money trouble, and in many deleted scenes she shows more of her status - the fundraiser added scenes show Pam versus Phyllis, and in money she rejects Michael asking for money before he could even awkwardly ask and pretend it was a joke. Obviously if Michael did borrow money he'd have Bob to answer to....... in watching a show like the sopranos, you see how a man is a community figure and figurehead of affluence, and allows his wife to live with all the trappings. I am happy for Phyllis because she deserves that life, and Bob seems like he manages incredibly well in the small city he has major sway in.

[@shotty2164]

Damn dude you really been thinking about this a lot.

[@wakeyskate]

Cool fan fiction, but I don’t buy it

[@tobiasripper4124]

how about that time phyllis mentions they would go to a bar and get people to bother her so bob could beat em up for fun. how many times can you beat people up without legal consecuences? unless of course you have the police in your pocket and or people is terrified of who you reveal to be afterwards.

[@OscarHRamirezIII]

I’m adopting this head canon until I hear a better explanation. Fantastic job

[@Kevin-cy2dr]

@@tobiasripper4124 dude this would be true in the 1960s. Most cops wont turn a blind eye if the same person continually picks fights. Plus the mob isn't strong like it was back in the days. Phyllis just exaggerated it.

[@alZiiHardstylez]

Kevin spilling his chilli was probably the emotional part of the show. All the effort he went to making his chilli for his workmates to have and enjoy for him to drop it made me genuinely sad. If all it takes is head cannon for him being a genius doing it on purpose makes me feel a lot better :) I know it's a show but y'know. Fun character theories mate :D

[@JoaoSilva-on4od]

That scene broke my heart the first time I saw it. But since we are in the realm of theories with this video, allow me this: the whole scene is a metaphor for how he is "cooking the books" (watch how he refers to "tricks" and how he masters each step people seem to disregard). And him dropping the chili is a way to say he just "spilled the beans". This just made me like Kevin even more. Wholesome awesome character.

[@iamapokerface8992]

ok

[@piiOs15]

"michael doesnt treat people differently based on their function" **toby?**

[@sweettea527]

Because he is collar blind

[@oskarpedersen3164]

Its Toby ofc Michael treats him diffrent

[@kennyyuliandrika7162]

His not part of the family

[@DayneGodwin]

@@kennyyuliandrika7162 not even part of *his* family.

[@felicitasvt]

w toby its personal

[@jermtheworm5082]

Creed makes 2-3 references through the series that lead me to think he hung out with the Manson Family at some point in his early years

[@plaguedbrownbear]

what references

[@debbiejones4935]

@@plaguedbrownbear when he's giving dating advice and says "this is how I got Squeaky Fromme".

[@mattslupek7988]

He mentioned knowing Squeaky Fromme.

[@pendragon2012]

In the extended version of the episode about Inventory, we see Ryan trying to make sense of a shortage of goods. Roy walks up and shows him how to scan the same box multiple times so the numbers match up. Roy is the reason Ryan becomes such a shady person.

[@Bigbaymonstermare]

My theory - Astrid is really Michael’s baby, but when Jan broke up with Michael and realised just how involved he would be and she would be stuck with him, she just “told him” it was a donor

[@yeburner]

But she got him involved at the end, at least at first, so that makes no sense, plus jan didn't want to break up with michael

[@Bigbaymonstermare]

@@yeburner I’m not sure what you mean. It took her forever to tell him and he planned her shower and she didn’t even tell him when she went into labour. And it was such a back and forth thing. She did _not_ want him involved with Astrid after she had her/even when pregnant, so to me *that* makes no sense? Not starting an argument, I simply don’t agree 😂

[@justaayan2]

Didn't he get a vasectomy?

[@DingleJBerry]

@@justaayan2 2 vasectomies and 2 reversals. Snip snap snip

[@spikepachita6026]

She was really stressed out when kevin told her he could potentially be the father

[@DrJ-hx7wv]

Michael is brilliant. He defeated everything thrown at him. Jan, Jo, Charles Miner, Ryan, the buyout, David Wallace and all the rest. His sales numbers blow Dwight's out of the water and he runs the most profitable branch. Most just don't understand him, which works to his advantage

[@bhs117]

10000000000%

[@ra5hid101]

All.of it makes sense but I wonder why he chose to get stuck at Dunder mifflin in the low pay job.

[@HallaYourself]

​@@ra5hid101 family

[@ian7064]

One of my favorite, lesser known fan theories is the one that suggests Angela and Roy had a brief fling after Pam called off their engagement. It doesn't add a lot to the overall plot but it does add another layer to Angela's hypocrisy with how she does the exact same thing she criticizes Pam for doing

[@prannayagupta8657]

Wasn’t Angela secretly with Dwight at that time?

[@ronnieyates8527]

@@prannayagupta8657 She also cheated on her husband and her fiance. I don't think she's above cheating on Dwight as well.

[@ian7064]

@@prannayagupta8657 I think so but given Angela's hypocrisy I don't see why she'd be above having a fling with Pam's ex fiance if the opportunity presented itself

[@mattslupek7988]

@@ian7064 At the “Who Would You Rather?” game, Angela’s answer was Roy, so…

[@AliciaB.]

@@mattslupek7988 Roy's answer was "that tight-ass christian chick"

[@madmasseur6422]

11:27 I think this is the moment Kevin started acting dumb, he realized he could go to prison if he was caught stealing but no one would question a seemingly dumb/slow person so he decided to trick everyone. And this is kinda proved considering that he's been adding the number Keleven everywhere, probably not just to finish work earlier and be home by seven but also to cover up the fact that he was still stealing from the company.

[@n-ck]

What did he steal

[@Silly_Illidan]

Genius move.... Wish i had direct access to petty cash as well...

[@rvkice23]

I would have called it Keveven

[@hannahdurnal292]

i think the reason why scranton branch sales numbers were doing so much better is because jim started taking his job seriously because he wanted to marry pam

[@SPACESNAKE66]

I'm not entirely sure but I believe he never topped Dwight's sales records even when he was trying his hardest

[@crowellsteven84]

@Zineddine Houssoum let's be honest though, Jim never tried his hardest. If he had, he probably could've blown Dwight's sales out of the water. My reason being Jim is very charismatic person when dealing with customers, and Dwight is just generally weird and not exactly what you'd expect in a sales rep.

[@curtisraymond5750]

Michael is a great boss. He doesn’t micromanage. He treats his workers like human beings. Hard to find today in America.

[@markfigueroa1681]

He's horrible. He's selfish, childish, offensive, and more. None of the people want to work for him and only Pam left with him, reluctantly. As a manager your employees need to respect you. They need to want to run through walls for you. People want to drive into a brick wall with him.

[@PhantomCounty]

‘Microgement’

[@markfigueroa1681]

@Radical Wolf he used Dwight, he thwarted Jim's promotion, he was intrusive and childish. There's more.

[@verylowendgamers7426]

I think in entire world.

[@tarunsiddhartha6083]

I like Michael but he's a horrible boss

[@mattguthrie2205]

Michael is an exaggerated form of all of us. We are awful and wonderful and intelligent and idiotic. We can all identify with and hate his character at the same time.

[@DrJ-hx7wv]

That would make him uninteresting

[@darkphoenixwizgaming2896]

No one Hates on Michael 😤😤😤

[@gusfalk]

nah

[@iamapokerface8992]

ok

[@mattslupek7988]

@@darkphoenixwizgaming2896 Except Stanley.

[@samh9754]

I've always had a theory that the only reason Michael's branch outperformed every other branch was because of the documentary. After filming began, the documentary crew realized how entertaining it was going to be. They couldn't allow the branch to go under because they would lose out on the documentary and potentially millions of dollars in profit. So PBS (I think that's who was filming them) somehow funded the branch to keep them afloat.

[@theDon.top10ranking]

I love how the most direct and correct Creed was, was when they were trying to remember Hank's name. Creed said it was Hank and Jim immediately shot it down, knowing how Creed normally was.

[@stoneymarxist]

Micheal had the same core of employees for a decade. That in itself is genius

[@jordanl.p.8834]

I have a theory about Jim Carey's cameo when they're looking for a replacement manager. I think he was using the interview and the documentary crew as an alibi to cover up the possibliy that he killed his family in the Fingerlakes or at least allowed them to get "lost" in the Fingerlakes. This is just a hunch I have without any real soild evidence.

[@JLittleBass]

I like the idea that Bob Vance has connections with the mob even if he himself is a straight-laced guy. So in the episode where Michael tells off the mob guy, Bob Vance is the reason why there was never any blowback as a result.

[@dhruv9370]

I don't have a shred of doubt Toby's the Scranton strangler. He definitely represses most emotions and expresses them in the worst manner possible. There's nobody in the office that can jump a 10 feet tall gate as fast as he did other than the warehouse guys and maybe Dwight. AND HAVE YOU LOOKED AT HIS HANDS? I'm scared. And it's fun to imagine Michael's a secret genius who knew Toby's the strangler and that's why he hates him so much...he even says to Toby "you're the silent killer" to insult him.

[@Fall9]

One of the writers, who plays Toby, literally says Toby isn't the strangler lmao. Also Toby visited the strangler in prison and got strangled.

[@dhruv9370]

@@Fall9 He never said he isn't. Don't bend the words.

[@deeethier1544]

Creed literally shows up to the office with blood all over his shirt in one episode, and on one of the Christmas episode he asks what happens to people on Christmas if they've been bad, Like morally wrong and evil Lol And somehow people still think it's toby

[@reaganknight]

and also during the chase scene with the strangler the getaway car is moving extremely slow which we see in deleted scenes is characteristic of toby because he is an extremely slow and poor driver

[@duhface8066]

@@Fall9I always thought maybe Toby told the guy that he was the strangler and the innocent prisoner freaked out.

[@claudiopalhares8882]

the branch did so well bc of the salesman specially stanley, DS, jim and even michael… it seems that even as the RM he was still in the sales game as in his last episodes he hands the companies 10 biggest clients (which were his) to andy

[@IAmLedsterOo]

Kevin is a genius.. not only that.. he is a poker genius. he even tells us in the episode where he is playing poker that he won some tournament. he is using bluffs and a "poker face" to throw people off.

[@sterilebroth8933]

But then promptly loses to Phyllis.

[@IAmLedsterOo]

@@sterilebroth8933 Phyllis is dumb though, she won because its impossible to read her because she didn't know wtf she was doing lol

[@sterilebroth8933]

@@IAmLedsterOo pretty sure someone like Kevin should still prepare for something like that to happen.

[@InitialPC]

@@sterilebroth8933 maybe he lost on purpose, hes keeping his poker face for the big prize

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@IAmLedsterOo you do know the entire joke in the episode is that poker is luck, so him winning some dumb competition doesn't matter. Aslo so you are saying his a genuis at poker (which is literally impossible thing to do) but "dumb" Phyllis best him, pick one dude. Also great poker face, admitting fraud to camera 🤦‍♂️

[@Againnuendo]

Michael most definitely is a genius, every smart guy knows that people like a funny guy more than a smart guy so he pretends to be an idiot so that the office can constantly mock him and keep employee morale up so that they work really hard

[@parry3439]

he made Pam cry literally on the first episode. so much for keeping morale up lol

[@mattslupek7988]

@@parry3439 The first season was the British version with different actors and names for the characters. The first season, Michael was a d*ck, but Season 2, he was a likable idiot.

[@parsley2658]

This isn't really a theory but Michael is older than Phyliss. It is constantly mentioned that they graduated high school in the same year, but in another episode he says that he repeated second grade, thus making him older that Phyliss.

[@raegangarlitz5313]

the editing here is spectacular, the clips and quotes he uses. This man may have seen the office almost as much as me

[@fuzzyslippers7520]

I've watched a minimum of 1 episode of the office every single day for about 8+ years... actually watching an episode right now.

[@Marcuspk450]

Creed is actually Charles Manson, in the Lecture circuit episode he says "That's how I got Squeaky Fromme". She was part of the Manson Family and tried to assassinate Gerald Ford. Would make alot of sense why he is in hiding.

[@chrisryan91]

Woah

[@jenm1]

I just assumed he messed around with squeaky and didn't even know about her affiliations

[@InitialPC]

except he is still in jail

[@Gary_King1413]

I assumed his band Grass Roots hung out with multiple cults and the Manson Family was the main one, he probably had sexual relations with Sweeky Fromme

[@iamapokerface8992]

a lot*

[@HuguesBeaumont]

Kevin explained his con to Robert California, in S08E08. It's the Big Mac Idea : "Every time you buy a Big Mac, you set one ingredient aside. Then, at the end of the week, you have a free Big Mac. And you love it even more because you made it with your own hands."

[@YantoWest]

It is funnier when you combine it with the genius theory, Kevin knew Robert would think Kevin really was talking about food (cupcakes) so he f'd with Robert by playing dumb while revealing his con.

[@tankdiggs8974]

Michael Scott is at the very least a troll. The episode where he leaves and he is handing out gifts. He basically admits to giving Oscar a "Dumb" Gift and told him he made just to see if Oscar believes he is that stupid to have made it. He is laughing while explaining. If he trolled Oscar about that gift who's to say he wasn't trolling everyone all the time for his own amusement?

[@mattbirnholtz13]

My theory: Everything after Michael leaves isn't the office it's just what Michael imagined what would have happened. I know it's not real, but it helps explain the ridiculousness of all the characters. It seems like everyone starts becoming as insane as Michael after season 7 and i like to think it's because it's how Michael pictures everyone. Also, it explains the documentary becoming such a huge hit, as that's how he imagined it would be come. Again, I know this isn't the case, just helps me sleep at night

[@blahlah1029]

Michael knows to not ask for the sale or move forward in the sales process until client likes him.

[@justacting234]

Micheal being a secret genius is no secret. Remember, he spent an entire day waiting for a pretzel and doing Cosby impersonations and managed to make a sale which, as Pam stated, was a "big deal". Michael's sales technique is just rapport first, simple. Michael is a clear genius. Also, Dwight only fired Kevin because he found out Kevin was buying a bar and therefore by firing him he got that extra pay.

[@silverwinter6262]

I think Michael is cognizant of how his actions effect his workers I think that the things he does are an act he makes them hate him so they are inspired to try and prove that they are better workers than he is

[@adamfisher4684]

I don't know, it's pretty evident throughout the whole show that Michael has a desire to be liked and praised. I genuinely think Michael is not fully aware of how his actions impact people, I think he's just trying to be funny and cool. When in reality it's just racist or inappropriate.

[@BenSchleede]

To be honest the writers in this show thought about every single detail so I wouldn’t be shocked if a lot of these were true

[@scruffd0g193]

Creed was just so mysterious. So respectful and maybe hiding from the law in plain sight.

[@Joe-fy9uy]

Not maybe he was he was arrested in the finale

[@Cris-em9tn]

I find the Creed thing hilarious, as he was the actual lead guitarist, vocalist and songwriter of The Grassroots from 1967 to 1969. That's the one bit of backstory I wish they kept. (And yes, his actual name is Creed Bratton so if you search it up, you'll find it easily.)

[@fimger]

I think that Michael was so bad at managing that the workers learned to manage themselves

[@nightwingjosh8491]

You think that the doc wouldn't have been as successful airing on pbs as the finale shows, but pbs is also where Sherlock, British bakeoff, and downton abby aired in the us and those shows practically became overnight sensations in the us The table read for the finale also suggested creed killed jfk

[@infiniti2011]

lmao fr? I can totally see creed doing that

[@cc-jy6so]

Creed killed who?

[@ClaraMercury]

creed up to no good again

[@lobsters12111]

“We’ll just don’t leave it on too long” gets me every damn time still

[@schmucknorris2672]

I just had the best laugh to Creed tossing his keys across the parking lot to the imaginary valet!!!

[@ClaraMercury]

Same creed makes me laugh so much

[@callmealex69]

The scene where Michael talks up Andy during his seminar was a perfect example of why he was so successful.

[@hadeselgin]

This is Cloverfield tier rundown of the Office, amazingly done

[@luciadellalbani7667]

Jim Halpert wants to know what a rundown is

[@antialeks5013]

Guys I think I've finally looped back around to the point where I've forgotten enough of The Office that I can rewatch it with some sense of awe. Wish me Luck.

[@waderutkowski3233]

Anyone else notice that creed seems to go back and fourth between left and right handed? Quick example: he plays guitar left handed, yet on Halloween all the blood was on his right side implying that if he killed someone he used his right hand to wield the weapon!

[@DABA2024]

The head trauma from his zip lining accident turned Toby into the Scranton Strangler. Of course he denies it. Serial killer 101.

[@adamfisher4684]

I heard someone say that it was a failed suicide attempt, which would make sense!

[@stoopidapples1596]

he got a neck injury, so he then started giving other people neck injuries.

[@DABA2024]

Weird how Toby comes back from Costa Rica and NEVER MENTIONS his life-changing accident…

[@Wiilike2tube]

I have been binging the office since it came out in the mid 2000s(but really since it 1st dropped on Netflix) and have defended Michael's genius nature along the way. Also, I've never noticed Kevin using the wrong hand during the National Anthem until now! 😳

[@leorodriguez9344]

I just wanna know everything about creed 💀

[@rudyg323]

I think the Branch did so well cause of the salesmen. Especially cause of Dwight. Not because of Michael.

[@adamfisher4684]

I would argue that Michael was a better salesmen than Dwight. I mean the company's top 10 clients were Michael's clients.

[@OneLDash]

Micheal was a better salesman, you can see this in the episode where jim and dwight fails the sale and calls micheal in to seal the deal

[@SJisReading]

Creed killed the original Creed Bratton and assumed his identity. "The last person who stole from me disappeared. His name? Creed Bratton"

[@allaroundcomedy3971]

Did you forget that in the finale it's revealed that Creed stole "weapons grade LSD" from the military? That wasnt even mentioned here. It was always by belief that Creed consumed the LSD and his reality was warped ever since then. I always thought that was the intended conclusion that the show gave us for his behaviors.

[@grimylordkez]

As some one who has rewatched the office countless times, Michael is definitely a genius.

[@E-eb6ic]

Fun fact, strangling people can burst blood vessels. In other words, Creed could have gotten that blood from a victims nose bleed :0

[@tobylerone7236]

the thing i never understood with the idea the Strangler doesnt kill people & just strangles until they pass out, why was George Howard Skub sentenced to DEATH for it?

[@InitialPC]

the same interview where he says the strangler only choked them out he also says they changed their mind about it so in the show the strangler actually is killing people

[@joshephballin4561]

Creed reminds me of Mr.Lock from Lost

[@w8m4n]

Oh shit, yeah!

[@Elleoaqua]

In Scranton Michael is a genius. In NYC he's merely bright

[@MotherOfWolves1313]

Hahahaha!

[@GodofMMA23]

I have a theory I've not seen ever mentioned before....when Pam takes Nellys phone for Robert California, we hear a message from a brother regarding her boss trying it on with her, the voice sounds like none other than McKenzie Crook possibly linking her to Gareth in the UK version..

[@matteikamp7474]

Any quirks with Kevin's character are better explained by simple flanderization and a drop in writing quality over the course of the show. His flashes of intelligence are shown mostly near the beginning of the show, when the writers were making him more of a lethargic "foul bachelor" type rather than straight-up stupid.

[@IanMcSperitt]

You are easily the most underrated youtuber I watch. You put a ton of effort into extremely well edited, great commentary office content and only get a couple thousand views. I truly hope you gain momentum soon because this content deserves to be seen by more people. (I posted this on your last video as well.)

[@jacobsauce6757]

12:05 in the deleted scenes it was told that everyone kept buying him drinks but he didn’t drink a lot so he had so much on his tab that the owners just have him the bar(something like that)

[@InitialPC]

he could just be lying though

[@IcarusFallz]

This guy needs more subs

[@jessicaramirez1955]

There was an Emmy Skit from the office where Jesse from Breaking Bad delivers something to Creed 😂

[@TPTGopher]

Jan does have a sister in Scottsdale: Amy Levinson Bouzaglo owns a restaurant there with her husband Sami - and her frequent visits are a form of therapy, because a few days around those feline-speaking psychopaths always leave her feeling downright level-headed by comparison.

[@victoriahope8371]

That is EPIC genius 😊

[@SirAlexOfTheGuitar]

I fully accept this as canon

[@marybob23]

Awesome 🤣

[@dragonusmorphin4748]

Michaels genius is that his employees assume that Michael is inept and therefore take responsibility for their work, but he does this without overworking them because he boosts morale. He manages them like one massive sale, treating all employees equally, relating to them in a familiar way that relaxes them, and then they are able to be subjected to his instruction, but he does this subtly enough that they don’t notice. He sells the idea of self management

[@claudiopedrosa9757]

Great point of view , i think The same way

[@bugsyproductions3140]

Michael, the genius that bankrupted the company.

[@jeriowa11]

I truly did love this video, and would love to see you do more in-depth of the other characters! Well done! The complexity of this show really does need to be highlighted and memorialized for the genius that it was! Thanks again!

[@SA1upsb]

Love the idea that Creed was building evidence for an insanity plea

[@nyctazz]

6:50 is almost scary to watch considering the fact that this does not seem like something Stanley would be interested in at all

[@kalebblake4699]

he's getting paid to pretty much blow off work to go and get pie - compare it to pretzel day and it's not so far-fetched. that's how i like to look at it atleast :)

[@DrewsterRooster37]

I like the theory that during renovation there was a small gas leak that cause minor brain damage and a slight buzz. I also like the theory that accounting was slowly inflating numbers and little by little money laundering hence Kevin acting dumber but never getting fired until Dwight

[@Fantasyremix]

It’s a testament to the show that fan theories can exist for a comedy.

[@arashabdullahdawudcharlton5548]

This is genius

[@Pascaffa]

I love how you put in Quabity Assuance

[@FlyingElvis]

Very well done. I watch the Office when it started till the end just like I did friends and scrubs. I still watch the office to this day. I see something new everyone I go through the series. I prefer the Michael Scott era, but the era after he leaves can be fun if you understand the whole dynamic changes when he leaves. I love videos like this. Keeps all us office junkies going and thinking of new things. Subscribed

[@NostalJackMusic]

Hey there’s my remix!! :) love this video, those creed theories get nuts! 😂

[@Kelsdoggy]

Kevin spilling the chilli was HILARIOUS

[@SergiuGothic]

I can see the Kevin being a genius by his evolution from normal to dumb. When you try to deceive someone, you have to keep it up. When they might get to uncover him, he spiced things up, got more ridiculous.

[@gh0rochi363]

Michael is just more complex than people think. He has a duality to him like all people do.

[@_thomas1031]

This was unexpected, but much appreciated !🙌😆

[@LeanBackMac]

What a well done video! love to hear the theories on The Office.

[@tfphonechick]

Thank you for doing these videos. I am looking at the show in a whole different light.

[@BW1875]

The characters saying they’re not the scarton strangler doesn’t mean much. I doubt they would admit it

[@Mulverine]

I agree! Paul Lieberstein was a writer and the show runner for multiple seasons though. Just something to consider.

[@matthewhensley5165]

Did you know they used sabre printers on the TV show dexter and there is a deleted scene of the office where they mention dexter not as a show just Michael calls Dwight dexter so it makes sense to have a murderer even if they decide to go a different way with the character in the end

[@sebastiansaleh4920]

The bar has been explained as Kevin using free drinks that he asked to be put on his free drink tab, he would get so many as people recognized him from the doc. In turn he leveraged this drink tab to buy the bar

[@TGo-n-Roscoe]

I've waited a month or two so I've got some of your videos to binge.

[@nicholastotoro7721]

Bob Vance was just smart *AND* financially loaded. Very lucrative business. He even used the show itself as free advertising and knew it would eventually pay off. Creed... I can believe anything about Creed since nothing seems too far-fetched LOL! The one that seems most credible (and maybe probable) as Kevin being a secret genius and embezzler. He was just lucky he didn't get caught. I think he knew being "dumb" Kevin got him more screen time and you can see it changed when he changed his delivery and voice.

[@lesvegetables6709]

A lot of these theories are fun and interestingly plausible like the Kevin theory but most likely not planned by the writers.

[@twinnshortshopcr233]

I disagree the writers put a lot of thought into this show I wouldn’t be surprised if they did plan a lot of these

[@LB14745]

Writers have a limited time to write each episode as funny as it can be. I doubt they spend time to hide theories, that's just the fans taking it too seriously.

[@lesvegetables6709]

@@LB14745 yeah but its all just for fun anyways

[@hiepnguyenvan1201]

Guys, the Scranton brand more than doubled their volume after the merger, 4 employees either quit or got fired, and they kept all the existing customer. Before the merger, Jan said Michael's brand is number 4/5 of the branches she managed, after the merger, Scranton became the most profiting branch. It's all add up

[@marcuscooper8324]

Omg that one about Kevin has my mind blown 🤯 hope you’ve got more videos on this because I’ll be watching them after this 😅