The OFFICIAL Season 13 TIER LIST - Best DPS, Tanks and Supports in NEW META

[@SamitoFPS]

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[@sir_gort]

I think they'l look at Sombra again once they get their money from the mythic Widow skin.

[@noisypr6048]

You know it, hope ram gets some love (give me a good ram skin 😭)

[@Ajoi14]

Yep. Kinda don't wanna Zen's season to ever come now

[@loganbarnes7483]

@@Ajoi14 im ready for mythic Zen meta. youre all fucked as zen would say, You must accept the pain.

[@StevenLandman]

100%

[@FALCON_2256]

@@noisypr6048everyone talks about ram having no good skins… ALL HIS SKINS ARE GREAT

[@FTX4816]

Permanent invisibility should never have been a thing in the first place.

[@DeerUNIT42]

Why

[@cainewest492]

Been saying it for years

[@kielmessersmith1956]

Exactly, it's fundamentally unethical and promotes the most toxic kind of gameplay. Blizzard didn't spend 5 second thinking about the value of the information a stealthed sombra can provide. If all she did was sit in stealth and marked vulnerable targets for coordinated dive, she wouldn't even have to do dmg.

[@Spikes_Beagle]

Yeah they put less than zero thought into her design. People run and pick her when they’re getting destroyed because she has an inherently unfair advantage. You think people are going to pass up that opportunity? Absolutely not which is why she is in every game.

[@MishimaTyler]

@@DeerUNIT42 Believe it or not that is harder to balance when it comes to player satisfaction, they did polls recently about what characters were the most frustrating and it was Sombra across all ranks.

[@ianryan5385]

Love that genjis one saving grace is his ability to deflect other characters better projectiles and ability’s

[@kuha8077]

Thats just a dumb thing to say💀 Its like saying Kiri's one saving grace is suzu or Hog's one saving grace is hook

[@douchenozzlemcgee6111]

@@kuha8077 It isn't. Genji is garbage. They've ruined the game and ruined many heroes by 5v5. So bad. Genji throws paper shurikens again. Bap does more damage than him. Illari does more than him. HELL, MERCY does more than him.

[@rickyhillof]

​@@kuha8077 it's just saying that genjis ability is well made.

[@jeremiahneeve1536]

@@douchenozzlemcgee6111 got to masters using genji from pure mechanics. after that its pretty dogshit but what im saying is that it can be made to use with a pretty much an infinite skill ceiling.

[@gold7152]

​@@jeremiahneeve1536 True that genji theoretically could take you to the highest ranks like any other hero but it's telling nearly every top level genji basically quit saying he feels like trash to play. like at what point is all that work worth it versus just picking an easier character with more consistent value?

[@IMetronymic]

6:20 lets also not forget the eons ago nerf interaction between ashe and mercy where ashe can no longer one shot squishies when getting damage boosted - something that took an interaction between TWO heroes to accomplish that widow can do by merely holding m1 for 2 seconds, all while across the map at that. widow bias do be strong af

[@o0_VanYsH_0o]

You're forgetting the health increases nerfed Widow's charge time. It created reaction time. Ashe was a problem back then because she had a 50% charge scoped widow shot just by hitting 2 buttons as well, Mercy sent it over the edge. So they nerfed Ashe to not do that anymore with the pocket due to the fire rate. You'd get the same result if you did that on Widow, dude. Only advantage Widow had was range, that was it.

[@grimsdol4665]

well that'd not exactly a fair statement. sure it took 2 characters but it allowed ashe to litterally isntant kill quick scope most of the cast and 1 shot more often then widow while also being much much better at CQC. don't get me wrong i hate widow but the biggest bias is in map design not in treatment

[@LeatherNinja]

Thank god that combo no longer exists

[@IMetronymic]

@@o0_VanYsH_0o 1: the health increases ultimately were inconsequential - if they weren't how come widow is still dominant and top tier despite her own health nerfs and respective health buffs. 2: it was only on ashe that interaction was possible, therefore it sent ashe over the edge - otherwise why would they nerf ashe because it sent mercy over the edge? so why the nerf for ashe. you're contradicting yourself brodie. 3: widow one shots by HERself without any interaction 4: at a distance at that. 5: that very advantage is what makes her even more oppressive - ashe has fall off far greater so widow gets even better value at a way lower cost

[@IMetronymic]

@@LeatherNinja i miss it sm ngl

[@darthrevan618]

Man I love when my team asks me to somehow dive the widow that's killing them while I also take care of the orisa within the same 5 second timespan, the ball (and tank) experience is so good rn that I want to share it with a fellow tank player, two tanks on the same teams is twice the fun shared

[@StrafeY]

What a genius idea! They should do that! Sure would be a nice change of pace, and something new to the franchise!

[@bulgrim7650]

Thank you for pointing out that Widow mains and tracer players are happy that Sombra is bad right now.

[@JBayerBB6]

I play all three sombra, tracer and widow. Def not happy they changed sombra again. I don't care if I don't have permanent stealth, remove it and make it toggle with a cd. Hack isn't fun, remove it too for all I care and make her EMP the only thing that hacks. One of the most fun characters destroyed again with clunky rework

[@ERK_hanna]

​@@JBayerBB6clunky is giving it to much credit

[@kaimorris2970]

90% of the playerbase is glad sombras bad

[@KingofDMC19]

That widow rant needs to be sent to team 4 and they need to watch it on repeat until they delete that damn hero.

[@vivid8979]

bUt wIdoW iS a sKiLl sHoT heRo... jUsT giTgUd... Like the fact that people think Widow is a balanced hero is baffling.

[@SYONiQ]

THANK YOU. Holy shit.

[@AbcDefg-tq3ju]

bro definitely made the tier list just for the widow and sombra parts

[@DWIGHTlobthreatPOWELL]

lmfao 100%

[@azureaurelia5381]

Considering that he put several heroes with bottom 5 winrates in A and B tier he clearly didn't play much before making this video.

[@Joshy72]

@@azureaurelia5381who did he put?

[@mariustan9275]

Which ones?​@@azureaurelia5381

[@Hayden-yb7yy]

​@@azureaurelia5381 you realise a low win rate doesn't mean a character is bad right?

[@sparta218]

You forgot that Torbjörn deals more damage with Molten Core to the armored enemies ♨️⚠️⭕️

[@its_lucky2526]

i've seen widow in every single unranked game since s12

[@Im_Chris13]

@@its_lucky2526 that’s what happens when someone gets a mythic plus a lot of ppl wanted to practice the character beforehand and now is their excuse

[@dddd-uk4vn]

people play difficult heroes they want to practice in quickplay so what

[@its_lucky2526]

@@dddd-uk4vn i never said there was a problem with it. now that you mentioned it, she objectively ruins the game for either team and gets nothing out of it. that's not worth practice, since there's other fun difficult heroes. the emphasis of my comment wasn't on that however, it was that she specifically had a 90% pickrate, which mathematically makes no sense.

[@Neophyteman]

Genuine question, how do you make new sombra worse than the OW1 version before perma-stealth?

[@ezekieledwards7092]

her ability hack lasted like 6 seconds? I think something like that.

[@ShadowCrescent]

Honestly, the only problem is that Stealth is not on an ability unlike OW1. If they did that change and made Virus on right click or something. Boom. She'd be fine again.

[@shnitzel9052]

@@ShadowCrescent I think they didn't do that because with hack, trans, and virus, she already has the maximum ability slots (I cant think of any character with more than 3 buttons). The better way to do it to maintain everything IMO would have been to combine hack & virus rather than trans and stealth. Or make stealth tied to crouching for a certain amount of time, kinda like Bap's boosters (would be thematic of stealth as well)

[@ShadowCrescent]

@@shnitzel9052 Weaver, Moira, Lucio, Mei. There are more as well too. They could do it, they just didn't want to, and that sucks royally.

[@shnitzel9052]

Good point, forgot about Q (though double-space wouldnt work). Not sure why they didn't do so. Probably did gut her for Widow's mythic then haha.

[@SeventyVelle]

I'm just a plat player, but i feel like the issue with balancing widow is that she's only oppressive at high skill levels because of the mechanical skill needed to be dominant with her. I've had 1 widow in the last 2 months that actually controlled the lobby. And a lot of it was more an issue of my team continuing to peek her right after she got a pick or peeking when she had walls up.

[@Hsotnas80]

True. Just because widows are very good mechanically and position well in higher ranks doesn’t mean it is same in lower ranks. 70 percent of widows in plat and lower are throw picks

[@laughing5752]

​@@Hsotnas80it's the soul reason she hasn't been nerfed. Because blizzard balance from win rate.

[@YoWasupImADude-xv6hi]

True I'm in masters and she makes the game unplayable if you aren't widow or tracer yourself. But you do need very good positioning.

[@Ballcheckbob]

Y’all talking about low ranks like season 12 didn’t boost hardstuck silvers and golds to plat to level out blizzards bell curve😂 that’s why she’s a throw pick because plat is the new gold, diamond is the new plat but you can be master and t500. Your game isn’t dogshit though 😭

[@Ballcheckbob]

You game isn’t dead though 😂

[@Pieck-chan]

"Soldier can't run away very well" While being the only hero who can actually run... LMAO

[@frogwizard9310]

Idk Questron is slaying on new sombra and i like her, id rather be more vulnerable and actually be able to kill things than being invis forever and have a peashooter. I want everyone to keep thinking shes bad tho because i keep winning with her and she wont get nerfed lol

[@FuegoJustinnn]

Is there a website to know which hero’s are good on which maps and which hero’s counter what?

[@drakebitmoji6291]

i mean you can just use your game knowledge it's not that hard to figure it out

[@joelang4709]

if you need to ask this question then youre at a rank where it doesnt even matter lmao

[@FuegoJustinnn]

@@joelang4709 I’m in plat but I also quit overwatch for years and recently came back. I know every hero and their abilities

[@EzGamerx]

@@drakebitmoji6291 They asked for a thing to help learn and you acted superior. classic toxic behavior

[@drakebitmoji6291]

@@EzGamerx womp womp

[@homepress644]

7:00 It's absurd to me that Widowmaker gets to keep her one shot but junkrat doesn't get his two shot combo back Compared to everyone else junkrat has the most Fair one shot in the game. You have to use your ability to either kill them or Escape.

[@DeerUNIT42]

He did get it back to 225hp characters

[@owenwalker7641]

@@DeerUNIT42yeah true but even then mines have falloff so it’s not even always guaranteed. It’s definitely nice to have heroes like that. But they are also the high mobility ones so it’s sorta difficult to make it work sometimes. I’m gotta agree with the original comment though. I think if they ever give him one shot back they gotta take something in return cause then he’d be overturned but as of right now he’s kinda just a spam bot not a funny suicide on their team man

[@chiefinasmith]

@@DeerUNIT42yeah and his one shot actually requires skill

[@bentocod]

Junkrat is a skilless character who launches bowling balls.

[@chiefinasmith]

@@bentocod incorrect

[@bc9866]

I started to play again recently and I haven't lost a game where my opponents have a Mercy and Sombra. Means nothing, but I'm super confident I'll when fighting those two heroes.

[@SandwichWhisperer]

thank god we finally having the conversation about widow. ive hated her for YEARS hitscan 1 shots will never be fun or have a place in a game like this

[@laughing5752]

Only reason why one shots became more prevalent was because you literally couldn't kill anything because of how much sustain.

[@dddd-uk4vn]

'getting one shot isn't fun" 'getting punched and stunned for 4 seconds and killed instantly isnt fun" 'dying to some guy holding m1 aimlessly swinging a massive hammer isnt fun" "dying to spamzo isn't fun" "dying to mei spam isnt fun" "dying to torb spam isnt fun" "dying to genji deflect isnt fun" "dying to random junkrat bombs isnt fun" you could literally pull this same logic for any hero just say "dying isnt fun" at this point lmao

[@thebigyes8482]

@@dddd-uk4vnThey only said one of those things. Weird.

[@skrypnykk.770]

Widow is literally a sniper lol. She is the only hero that MUST have one shot

[@chipsmann8286]

As a ram main, the worst thing about him is that he is not fun to play anymore..

[@dinksyboi1680]

Agreed it was satisfying just punching through everything now I just feel like endlessly hitting barriers, even tho the devs don’t want that it’s crazy

[@BTEdidnothingwrong]

I'm a widow main, so trust me, I hate sombra, but this was a bit far. I think her damage is fine as it is, I just want her to have a button to active stealth again and slightly longer stealth.

[@kvm6118]

there is so little agency for DPS to be playmakers like it's literally either just following whatever the tank is going for or gambling on duels

[@fate8539]

Can hanzo be a viable counter against widow? I used some strats that samito used like recon arrow to quick peak after she shoot guesses when I’m gonna peak. Or i become a ninja like argge and one tap her from an angle she doesn’t have sight on?

[@CoversWithCare]

Not surprised about queen. I play doom 90% of the time and I have to sit up in my gaming chair when I see a queen across from me now. It gets super sweaty. However, she's very fun to play against and I love that she's good. Its not brain dead like when I gap someone and they immediately go orisa.

[@KingChilled]

What they did to sombra should legitimately be criminalized 💀

[@Squidaredumb]

I think yall are overreacting. The reason why you guys think she is so bad is because you actually have to position correctly now. Also she can disintegrate squishies now

[@Slowdive52]

It was deserved. The most unfun character to play against as a dps.

[@YayaPecZ]

I am trying her and he is good, but you need to comit when you have your translocator, or you die, i would buff her to 250 cuz she lost a lot of mobility, but she feels like hanzo

[@ramsessanchez2098]

Best change ever

[@Jkf180degrees]

I think the new sombra is much more fun. Like yeah her power is lower and should be tweaked, but I think everyone is just upset at the full playstyle change. It'll just take a little time for people to see it's actually still pretty good.

[@nadeshiko2842]

i really would love to have a conversation with anybody who claims sombra is terrible. every reason ive heard so far seems like bullshit and most people never understood how to play the character to begin with

[@gekigengar8925]

Exactly, playing sombra in masters and she is doing phenomenal. Her TTK has improved drastically. The stealth changes isn't bad at all, it actually incentivize players to flank and position better.

[@psd.3144]

@@gekigengar8925sombras are hardly flanking what you mean? They might attack support or stragglers every other fight.

[@nadeshiko2842]

@psd.3144 sounds like a player problem not a sombra problem.

[@chiefinasmith]

Crazy that you’re commenting this on a samito video lmao

[@ヴァイス-m2p]

you just sound like a Sombra hater who wants to BELIEVE that Sombra is still a decent pick even though she is horrible and straight up impossible to win with even in lower ranks. also Samito is one of the best ow players whether you like him or not so there is that.

[@dorrianbrooks9408]

Literally all they had to do was bring back old stealth.

[@dueler8281]

It’s a positioning and engagement timing issue if you fail at shutting down a widow as a DPS player. Just move around the map with more awareness and don’t be on autopilot and you’ll find yourself winning a lot more games against Widows.

[@Anime_Empire_2.0]

If you think about it, that is the same complaint they had with Sombra, the main function of Sombra was to punish the lack of teamwork, bad positioning and solo wolves who wouldn't play with their team, now that is GONE and Widow is gonna be feasting, now all the complaints and cries are for the Widows lol.

[@patg14]

Queen is so strong because her value is based on her actions per second which means that, when played well, she is pumping out a tonne of damage. Add a juno and she is a mobile death machine

[@aaronolson6736]

The Ram changes feels like it might have happened for 2 reasons; First would be Phreak will have a comparable Barrier to Rein and they don't want him to get countered during the playtest. Second would be this a change for 6v6, being able to kill the more average barriers faster and counter barrier stacking. That said, I still feel like it lost some identity and should crit either shield health or overhealth, Pummel is still on a cooldown and I'd be fine increasing it for this.

[@UKRobs]

"Counter barrier stacking..." Yes instead of punching through two shields and pressuring them he has to punch one barrier then punch the second barrier wasting his Form on barriers.

[@MetalBuffalos]

If he could crit shield health he would legit almost insta kill characters with shield health like zen and symmetra lmao

[@ghostingslasher49]

I know people are gonna hate me but it must be said. I felt so many players are happy with the Sombra nerf because they hate the character and all S 9:31 ombra mains. It comes from bias and I think that’s ridiculous. There are so many comments, tweets saying f Sombra mains, or I’m happy to see Sombra mains cry, and it’s just crazy how most people hate Sombra. I feel Sombra should’ve gotten a rework, but this patch nerf her to the ground and there’s no way to play her efficiently. These changes aren’t good for and stop trying to defend the changes just because you don’t like Sombra.

[@ratfuk2848]

I was expecting a rant when he got to Widowmaker and it’s exactly what I got 😂 gotta love Samito

[@maxvader1000]

If we are going in the direction of 6v6 I think the laser nerf would be enough along with maybe a minor tweak to grapple, but if we are going to be sticking with 5v5 she needs a rework or something idk man any effort would be sweet

[@mason6388]

My favorite part is when he just said he’s just sigma no questions asked SIGMA is the most OP hero ever

[@derrickloney6379]

I think sombra just needs a stealth cooldown or make translocator do what it does, but have the cooldown be shorter than the stealth duration.

[@Lacheln115]

As a gm1 bastion main I believe hes atleast A tier here as he plays well into Orisa as a tank shredder, you also can kill people through Juno ult. Shredding brig is not too difficult either if she overextends. You also fit well into playing with the meta, a Juno ulted bastion can make anything dissappear. However, he can have major trouble with Tracers.

[@Frozoken]

his win rate shot up nearly 10% on overbuff in gm since the buffs lol. I'm only diamond but I think his recon form gun is pretty underrated too. Damage that matches health bars so you get full damage utilisation, no spread, fast reload, no recoil, long range etc

[@Ryanissance]

only reason sombra got nerfed is widow getting the mythic skin. maybe second reason is all the ball players including me complaining

[@skrypnykk.770]

Literally 90% of players hated sombra :D

[@peterventola5473]

Idk why they haven't made widows projectile size smaller, as a widow main with over 600 hours on her, it's boring af to get even easier headshots with her bigger projectile size

[@peterventola5473]

She also just needs insanely low hp like 175 again honestly

[@Im_Chris13]

Her projectile size is still the smallest in the game right next to soldier

[@laughing5752]

I like the idea of make her shots harder to hit. This is also coming from a widow player. I play widow because it allowed me to get rewarded with what I'm good at. Mechanical aim and that skill expression has gotten far worse due to the bullet and projectile changes.

[@Frozoken]

​@Im_Chris13 theres way more characters wuth that projectiles size but yes it is the smallest (doom, tracer, sombra, jq,dva, juno, bastion turret) off the top of my head

[@peterventola5473]

@@Frozoken I just want her hit box to be the same as it was before season 9, so fun being rewarded for those shots

[@lightningmtaylor]

Tank this season fucking sucks, you either get blown out or roll the other team. My effort feels useless as long as my dps and supports do nothing

[@JordanYee]

The thing that every Sombra main is just incredibly frustrated about is that we've all been saying that perma invis was the source of everyone's pain points with her. That's all they really needed to gut. None of Sombra's abilities in isolation are all that problematic. It's the fact that they all empower each other and compound on one another that makes her so problematic. So even a nerf to one already drastically reduces how impactful the rest of her kit is. So this nuclear option of removing ALL interplay between translocate and invis is just so overkill. Removing perma invis on its own never really got a fair try since this rework over-solves the problem so many times over.

[@thenewmissinglink8501]

I’m surprised they didn’t touch Juno ult. Her ult is literally just a bulldozer if you don’t move.

[@littlelito8424]

Juno ult is literally a big immortality field that moves and damage boosts you

[@kulls96]

Taking away Ramattra's piercing means Ram is not Ram anymore. That was the whole selling point even in the trailer!

[@Yshtola.]

I swear to god Juno falloff nerf sucks massive ass yet everyone says it doesn't matter, fucking weird.

[@douglastakle8242]

Feels bad for the Juno player, but her focus healing and sustain are still on the decent side. Her mobility and speed buffs are just godly though. There’s a reason Lucio was designed so that his healing and speed requires him to be in the fight because speed is such a huge buff, but Juno was just able to sit far in the backline with her hyper mobility, putting out speed boosts and insane heals from far.

[@Anonymous-888-1]

So I’m pretty much a mercy OTP and was mid diamond not too long ago. I am now LOW silver 😭😭😭. I was truly so lost. I knew I got a bit worse but not enough to drop that much. Now I know why. I don’t really keep up with the meta or anything.

[@gspuag]

my hot take on widow is: make the oneshot an active skill with a cooldown, she should feel like a longer range ash.

[@skrypnykk.770]

Definitely not, Ashe is decent in close and mid range. Even long range is ok for her + her bob can destroy a team with a perfect timing. Widow should not be nerfed for sure

[@khele2k]

Just give me an opportunity to fight back against Sombra because with her virus burst damage and complete inability to see her coming she was unstoppable. I had to learn Brig just to fight back against her (which worked out pretty well).

[@alvy8bit]

"Discord is the only way tanks die" .. see i get that for enemy tanks but as soon as i play tank i die when they look at me without being discorded and i cant figure out what im doing wrong :) and im not projecting on "bad healers". seems like im just born to be a support main

[@chance2326]

Nah some supports out there are actually dog water

[@sircruz1]

Soj feels like a great counter to widows, easy to shoot at since she’s standing, quickly build enough rail and tap her head from across the map, gives her a good run for her money.

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

Yeah no The amount of time you need to build a rail to actually kill her is insane and you put zero pressure on her at range she just nukes you at a distance the second you try to hit rail

[@sircruz1]

@@sebastianrodriguez8992 it depends how good you are and how bad their widow is

[@sircruz1]

And you can farm rail so easily, and hold it longer

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

@@sircruz1 I'm used to widows who rip your skull off the second you poke out of cover

[@sircruz1]

@@sebastianrodriguez8992 Idk, in my experience I was able to predict and maneuver around them a lot, and forced them to switch lol

[@Lúci-o-ohs]

Mercy with anyone else is mid but with ashe she's definitely not c tier and that's who she is always with

[@DatOleEditGuy]

The only reason he put widow up there is so she will get nerfed further, he hates widowmaker always has.

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

Cuz she's not a fun character to engage with at all even Mauga has a more interesting duel than her

[@DatOleEditGuy]

@@sebastianrodriguez8992 So because she isn't fun that grants everyone else a pass to be broken and gamebreaking, Gotcha , as long as your widow hate box is ticked though eh :)

[@ShadowCrescent]

@@DatOleEditGuy I mean... people did that with Sombra... and look at her. So I MMEEAANNNN

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

@@DatOleEditGuy When your character is glorified cookie clicker and shuts down the entire lobby to move at the pace she decides then yeah she needs to be weaker no other character in the game can force the entire match to move at their pace and no character can delete someone faster than she can from as far as she can If you can see them they're dead so yeah she should be the equivalent of a paraplegic if she's allowed to vaporize anyone at any time within vision

[@DatOleEditGuy]

@@sebastianrodriguez8992 wow its almost like you didn't take any of her nerfs into account, you do know her range was massively limited and her 1 shot is now a 2 shot for most enemies, her grapple is slower and her venom mine ticks less.

[@AidenVincent-yu2sd]

I’ve just stopped complaining at this point because they don’t balance anymore they just systematically destroy the characters that perform the best in all games

[@le_m4cho965]

I hated that in this patch they nerf her primary fire. I think they should revert those changes and nerf the torpedos and her ult.

[@MellowHypez]

The fact that Widow hasn’t been touched shows the incompetence of the balance team. Giga broken hero with very little to no counter play.

[@le_m4cho965]

And she hard carries players, i force them to change off Widow and they IMMEDIATELY go negative. Really fun to watch that happens LMAO

[@laughing5752]

​@@le_m4cho965I mean yeah you do get widows like that.

[@dddd-uk4vn]

apart from the fact that she's a throw pick in the bottom 99% of ranks and literally gets countered by any dive hero

[@MellowHypez]

@@marcovazquez-ou2pv I'm not trying to be mean, but you're just being dumb. When did I mention one tricks? You're just trying to start an argument out of thin air.

[@MellowHypez]

@@dddd-uk4vn She's actually great in low ranks because people just walk out in the open and get popped lol. Positioning is non-existent in low ranks.

[@Kayther33]

Soldier buff to biotic field. Ally heroes and Soldier in the biotic field can pierce 100% armor. What do you think? too weak, to strong? or good?

[@Aviasso]

I think one-shotting enemies while staying in the biotic field would be pretty balanced

[@Kayther33]

@@marcovazquez-ou2pv i was thinking more on paring it with another long-medium range hero that shots fast, like baptiste, sourjorm, or bastion, there they would work together to counter anything that has armor. My idea wasn't that he only use it for himself.

[@Kayther33]

@@marcovazquez-ou2pv maybe you're right

[@333Abs]

I’m in the Juno main subreddit and the entire community has been full on doomer about her changes. I’ve been spending so much time explaining she’s still so good !

[@johnsnowden3769]

Now that Dva got nerfed, I would agree that Reaper is A tier, but not for the reasons you listed. He's a direct result of the meta.

[@KurouzuZehaha]

Permanent invisibility should never have been removed in the first place.

[@gaiblexx1919]

Sombra from my experience isn't even that bad, you to go invis and you only attack at the last second, you have 2 seconds of getting that kill or living before you can tp out again

[@stalkybadman4395]

Its criminal what theyve done to hanzo compared to widowmaker and i dont even play hanzo its just so obvious

[@burtonthegrape9217]

People are being extra dramatic about it because now they actually have to work to get kills and work with their team, no cheese, no nonsense. Sombras change is the start of something better for her so they'll just have to get over it

[@justguitaring]

This is why I just shake my head every time I hear that Team 4 is cooking or doing anything right. They're just one patch away from undoing themselves once again. 8 years later and they're still the worst balance team out there.

[@brianwlkr79]

They wont nerf Widow until sales of her new epic skin slows down

[@CypherOfSolace]

I wish this video articulated "why" for each hero more. This felt like a tierlist speedrun.

[@christsolos]

sombra being dead lowkey makes me want to just reaper only for the rest of the season lmao

[@elili8016]

I started playing brig because how she heals and engage the enemy and I went from gold to diamond.

[@natehen456]

Of course they didn't nerf widow, and they nerfed sombra...they had to have her mythic skin flourish this season. Honestly probably why they nerfed ram as well, so Rein can flourish with his collab skin. If Rein is also the next mythic it will only confirm it further. The balance in this game is 100% built around monetary value.

[@Hayden-yb7yy]

Honeslty i could not agree with you more when it comes to widow it's so weird the devs obviously understand that one shots are a problem with how much hanzo and hog have been changed but they just ignore widow for some reason

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

Outside of just orisa i think hog is honestly really good rn ive been seeing him in a ton of game if it aint orisa its him

[@drewc8052]

I’ve been wanting some soldier buffs for so long. I still do well with him but he seems underpowered.

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

Mainly just cuz of the armor change and Juno being goated rn

[@RealLifeLuca]

I did not expect Juno to be that high. All the time it felt like she was weak af haha xD

[@grixa_top]

I mean, I get it, but putting Liveweaver in the same tier as Ana, Baptiste, Zen, and Lucio is a bit strange.

[@Asgelio]

I know tier lists are very opinion based but there’s something very factually wrong with saying that lifeweaver is in the same tier as bap after recoil reduction and Ana, let alone the other supports

[@georgeclark2868]

If they're gonna take away Sombra's one unique advantage thent hey need to add things to replace it not just fuck her kit even more. Hack should last longer and translocate should have some way to not be on a long arse cooldown every time you use it aggressively.

[@ZOMPAZ]

Samito, hanzo plays differently compared to widow tho, u can't always compare them... I onestly as hanzo main counter widow...

[@xxbigshamelxx8759]

I’m a plat player on console and just started playing about a year now and the one hero I hate the most if widow nth is more annoying then getting one shot but by the widow it’s just more annoying cuz she’s hiding all the way in the back and if you walk out your dead and if you dive on her she got mobility idk if that was in OW1 but who ever thought of that WHY just why and it don’t help when you about to kill her and a kiriko cleanses her and all her HP is back ☠️

[@douglastakle8242]

Imagine what it’s like on pc where widow had a much higher comparable skill ceiling.

[@Asgelio]

If you’re dying often to plat widows, there’s smthn wrong there

[@xxbigshamelxx8759]

@@Asgelio I’m play on dps and support she’s just Annoying she makes it where you can’t peak you can’t be out of position you can’t flank really She’s the only character in the game where I feel if she’s picked you got to play by her rules that hero need to get deleted

[@rainer9931]

Please continue to tell people how good Widow is even if she gets gutted (I'm a Venture main)

[@omarchohan3963]

Why is DVA not S tier? She got no specific nerfs if I recall… besides wasn’t everyone complaining about her being OP only last season?

[@shnitzel9052]

Juno's speed ring interaction with her boosters was a nerf disguised as a "bug fix" and with Juno dictating the meta right now (as supports usually do), whoever works best with Juno and is in a decent spot tends to see the spotlight (which unfortunately is Orisa right now). Also the minor armor changes definitely made her pressure cycle on squishies a bit tighter.

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

Technically more nerfs than people realize with the Juno change plus hogs decent and with a competent Kiri hog just mashed her on CD with hook and trap the damage is insane

[@omarchohan3963]

@@shnitzel9052 ah I see. Her armor is still crazy, albeit tuned down a bit. Not to mention insane burst DPS, mobility, a matrix that lasts 5 years, and a 2nd life ult have all been untouched. I just thought she’d still be incredibly dominant.

[@Frozoken]

At the very min they gotta remove the tank passive on baby dva. The headshot reduction is annoying af and makes 0 sense on a tiny target

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

@@Frozoken Wait she actually has tank passive as baby Dva?

[@Hyperstimaddict]

About brings tears of joy to see they destroyed sombra, such a good day!

[@SamStraker]

Leave your sombra biased at the door...

[@omarchohan3963]

@@SamStrakerand you’re not biased? 😭 look at ur pfp

[@AdamX1124]

The only good thing about sombra was the ability to delete widow. Other than that she is a cancer that should be removed

[@SamStraker]

@@AdamX1124 sombra bias, leave it at the door...

[@AdamX1124]

@@SamStraker it’s not bias that she’s an impossible to balance hero. She’s always either useless or way too strong at the pro level and is almost always a throw pick under plat. She’s way too team reliant as a dps She’s a support who they put in the dps class and now it’s impossible to balance both parts of her kit. They either need to make her a stealth assassin, give her a ‘backstab’ mechanic so she can compete with damage and remove a lot of her utility or make her a utility support remove a lot of her damage and give her some sort of healing. (Maybe a heal reduction or anti heal virus could be cool) Either way almost every iteration of sombra has been a nightmare to balance

[@ravtex]

wtf is ram doing in A tier when he's absolutely not in those levels anymore

[@scumknight6074]

10:30 again with this win rate bullshit. SHE’S ONLY HIGH BECAUSE NO ONE PICKS BRIG AND THOSE WHO DO KNOW HOW TO PLAY HER. This is why Kiriko and Dva got nerfed so damn late, everyone picks them, thus their win rate depends on who’s better.

[@scumknight6074]

I would also like to add the fact he compared Brig to Mauga. Every match during Mauga meta was Ana Kiriko, because it’s anti and cleanse. Both teams ran the same thing, you thought Brig enabled poke? Those 2 supports were just as responsible for dick riding this braindead tank meta. It’s so fucking stupid, Mauga would never be this good if you didn’t have 2 supports that made him better.

[@Unlimited-D-Works]

Ong. Like bro need to stfu. Glazing a mid hero so hard. Bro is trying to get her nerfed for no reason. Literally nobody plays her.

[@Zharphonix]

Lucio can switch between heal or speed willingly and can amplify it and his ult can save you from losing a fight AND an AoE boop. Juno is better but I wouldn't leave lucio out that just my opinion brother Torb prevents tracer pharah and echo from making a play I have no idea why he's slept on. Sigmas always going to be good hes LITERALLY double shield he just isn't Orisa And Junker Queen ult is good... if the other team doesn't have kiriko of course

[@Squidaredumb]

I agree. I watched a vid on why Lucio is played in OWCS and it is much more than just speed. His boop, flexible and strong ult, he can peel for his core, etc, etc.

[@shnitzel9052]

Yeah he really just wanted to emphasize how much better Brig+Juno is than everything else. IMO Sam should have made them S+ (maybe along with Orisa) and placed bap, lucio, and ana in A tier.

[@kielmessersmith1956]

Yeah now that perma stealth has been addressed, they need to do something about the widow one shots, even if it's just increasing the charge time. I'll take anything.

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

I'd honestly like the laser change so you know exactly where she's at and what she's looking at making it easier to play around her and be less afraid She's literally the eye of sauron watching over everything and just nukes you if they have a quarter decent aim

[@Karatarari]

Make it where it costs more Ammo on charged shots, slightly longer reload time, and make charge 1.5x or 2x longer and she can still one shot but a lot slower with more hold ups, might work out.

[@rtiid22]

Has Sam even played Sombra since update?

[@le_m4cho965]

yeah

[@denniswolf8685]

Honestly not bad balance wise. Sure you have a few outliers but almost everyone is good. That good to see.

[@Chromomancer]

You know it's bad when Genji is in B tier because of Deflect

[@masonpagano6687]

Sigma!!! If you have a dedicated healer, sigma can’t be killed, and winds up getting every kill

[@--Glory--]

Juno may be super strong, but I’d prefer her to stay strong if it means I keep seeing her all the time. Both fun to play with, and not nearly as nauseating to play against as most of the other supports.

[@scwishy]

lowkey cooking with this take because this means there's a lower chance of having a mercy/moira/weaver support combo on the team 🙏

[@MMmagze]

I think sombra is better now. Needs adjustment but better now. I think if they give a little more range she could be good

[@BumboBoy]

Hog is 100% C Tier or D Tier one of the lowest WR heroes in the game ult sponge worse than every other tank in the roster.

[@Joseph-ny5rr]

A decent dva can literally just pick any character and can destroy them to start any fight. Way to strong.

[@ansichart]

I assume this is your personal tier list, for the high elo games you play in, to put Widow/tracer in S tier, cuz she definitely not in my games lol

[@yaxxydesu5776]

mustache samito got feeling a certain type of way

[@BetweenthePunches]

I think the Sombra changes were right on the head. Keep those invisibility characters in the trash can where they belong 😂

[@RayBcv1030]

Sombra being bad makes me so happy.

[@blee1997]

Yea the changed numbers for Juno don’t mean anything she is still meta

[@Blobbyrainbow10]

'good monkeys will get a lot of value'

[@dsxooo868]

Is it just me or is sombra almost perfect? for the first I hope back on her and have some fun to me they just need to find something to do with stealth

[@shnitzel9052]

Yeah just separate stealth and trans and she really wouldn't be as much of a problem. Might give her too many buttons, but IMO you can combine virus&hack to give both players more options (she could instead save hack after being revealed for something her opponent can dodge but also net her more reward in a delayed lockout). Her kit rn is kinda like combining Reaper's wraith form and teleport, which would absolutely ruin him haha.

[@ExWitDaFacts]

Love when a tanks only counter is 2 tiers below them lmao. Classic.

[@wabafet8549]

Junk in A is insane. He is literally unplayable if they have ashe

[@wabafet8549]

There is nothing he can do to kill or contest ashe plus dva orisa just runs him over

[@melio_overwatch]

Think you are a little wrong on your widowmaker impression, yes she is strong but not for most of the reasons you list. Range has been significantly worse since the last nerf, the falloff is significant, the dmg output also isn't very consistant. Furtheremore you hype op smg to be great when it's one of the worst close range damage dealers in the game. And lastly the mobility is equal if not worse than hanzo, yes she can grapple furthere but the cooldown hurts any widow mistiming an offensive grapple, and defensive grapple timing also has to be really precise in order to actually make it effective - it's not great. YES the oneshot is the powerful tempo and fight controlling ability which she has, but I don't think it's fair talking about mobility when her hp and mobility already has been significantly nerfed. Leap cooldown vs grapple cooldown... Cmon bro

[@o0_VanYsH_0o]

Grapple is also the longest movement cooldown of a hitscan DPS (Not counting tracer, I'd say Recall is used as sustain over movement). Of the 3 Widow buffs I've asked for, I've gotten 2 so far. They buffed her health back, they buffed her Falloff, Grapple is all that's left. 10 to 8 seconds makes it quick, still allows time for a hero to dive her, and brings it in range with other fast long range DPS like Ashe and Soujourn.