The Omega Point

The Omega Point Cosmological Theory argues that it may be possible to continue existing until the End of Time itself.
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The Omega Point
Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur
Episode 378, January 19, 2023
Written, Produced & Narrated by Isaac Arthur
Editors:
Briana Brownell
Konstantin Sokerin
Music Courtesy of Epidemic Sound epidemicsound.com/creator
Markus Junnikkala, "Hail the Victorious Dead", "A Memory of Earth"
Stellardrone, "Red Giant", "Ultra Deep Field"
Sergey Cheremisinov, "Labyrinth", "Forgotten Stars"
Taras Harkavyi, "Alpha and..."

[@djschultz1970]

I am now considering the possibility that the universe is watching a science and futurism video, and WE ARE the drinks and the snacks.

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

Darn, I wish I'd thought of that one, would have made a nice outro line :)

[@djschultz1970]

@@isaacarthurSFIA I am certain it will come up again. Might be a nice CCC joke for your episode idea about that

[@haywood5302]

Drinks no, snacks maybe. " To Serve Man! It's cook book! IT'S A COOK BOOK" !!!!!!

[@zanderzephyrlistens]

Y'all this is a John Michael Goodie 🤣 idk if it's really IA

[@galetalon3133]

​@@haywood5302 Nice reference there, mate.

[@olsonusmaximus]

This entire channel is a scifi writer's goldmine. Any topic you can think of for making engaging and fascinating stories is most likely discussed here and at length. That, coupled with your unparalleled ability to be as fair and unbiased as possible with your presentation of these concepts, easily makes this my favorite channel.

[@Myria83]

Totally agree. (I'm a sci-fi author.)

[@geroffmilan3328]

Dan Simmons would probably agree wrt to this particular video: this concept is central to his Hyperion novels. Shame his work plummeted in quality: after giving up on Flashback in disgust I'll likely never read another thing he writes.

[@jamielonsdale3018]

@@geroffmilan3328 I'm guessing 'wrt' is an acronym for 'with respect to?'

[@joshreyes3624]

​@Myria83 hey there, I'm an aspiring scifi writer and am running into alot of writers block. I have the core concepts, beginning, middle, and end thought out, but can't figure out the filler. I want it to be a large series, between 7 and 10 novels, and have so much background story lined up that it makes filler hard to put down. TLDR, do you have any advice on getting past that witers block? What do you do?

[@brownro214]

"The Last Question" an outstanding short story, one of Asimov's best. Great episode.

[@friendlyone2706]

... and it said, "Let there be light."

[@leepreston9637]

You can find it read by Leonard Nimoy here on KZbin.

[@dyotoorion1835]

Agrerd, I love that story by Asimov. :-)

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

@@leepreston9637 Here is that reading by Spock for anyone inclined: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bomypatqqMZsoZY

[@friendlyone2706]

@@isaacarthurSFIA Thank you!

[@KatzProductionsYT]

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last” I love your content Isaac!

[@SteveSmith-wk9dx]

A scientist asks a photon if it can help with an experiment. The photon says, "Sorry, I don't have time!".

[@xermasboo5401]

The Scientist says, "Don't worry. It's relative."

[@theochristopher8873]

Isaac, it's awesome to hear that you were born to Hippie parents... as was I. In fact, my parents were members of a Colorado mountain Hippie commune in the mid to late 1970's aptly named 'The Cosmos Commune of Enlightenment'. I can tell you just how glad I am, not to have been named "Moon Puppy" by my parents... which they often joked about. In my opinion this really is the best channel on KZbin and certainly my favorite for many reasons. I've been enjoying and learning from this channel for 5 years now and hopefully for many to come... Thank you Isaac!

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

Yeah I'm really glad my folks decided naming me for scientists or scifi writers was a better choice, my mother's told me some of the alternatives that were pondered :) Though I'd take any of them over Moon Puppy

[@TheNavalAviator]

@@isaacarthurSFIA Born to hippies, served in the military, famous for videos on futuristic positivist theory. You are one hell of an awesome synthesis, just one of the many we need in this day & age!

[@robertgraybeard3750]

@@TheNavalAviator I second that emotion Thanks Isaac

[@kayakMike1000]

Rough man... my dad was a physics teacher and chemical engineer. Moon Puppy name might be better than being chained to a desk doing long division during the summer.

[@lucofparis4819]

Moon Puppy gotta be a joke... I hope. 🤞 Then again, my parents chose Osiris as my third name so, no need for hippie parents for them to go wild I guess. Fortunately, I don't have any brother or sister. Dodged those Œdipian and Abelian bullets. 😅

[@RuthBingham]

That was the most cogent description of Penrose's conformal cyclic universes that I have ever come across.

[@winterking2510]

I love your humility, Isaac. You're one of the few physicists and futurists who will admit that we can't rule out the Big Crunch because we still have no idea what dark energy is.

[@jackesioto]

If the universe keeps its exponentially accellerating expansion, then the Big Rip is more likely.

[@nathanielacton3768]

@@jackesioto I'm not convinced that the body of evidence we have collected is not an artifact of an as yet unrecognized effect. We evidence we have gathered for expansion (IMHO, and mock me if you will) seems unusually biased towards one single datum. Red\Blue shift. Data points such as CMB or elemental distribution are circumstantial. I'm not saying 'the universe is static', but I am skeptical that we have to invent dark* to balance the equations that would only need balancing due to unexpected red\blue shift. Imagine a day when we discovered and effect that caused red\blue shift and discounted it's use for a unpinning of expansion. The remining evidence doesn't really hold it up, it's just correlative. I'm not saying 'there is no expansion', just saying, in other parts of science, we have multiple testable paths to reach the same goal once a theory is solid. I'm on the fence. Dark* to me seems like the malarkey of the cosmological constant to balance the GUT... which... turned out to be mostly host compost lol. I look at expansion from the perspective of "as best we know so far" in an era in which we don't know very much.

[@nathanielacton3768]

I probably should have mentioned that current model (as you probably know) has period of FTL expansion. Spacial expansion FTL is not really 'against the rules' as we know them, but if this is true, then it means there is a mechanism that we don't know or understand that's driving expansion, applies at different times in different ways and is almost certainly non material within the universe itself (I'm talking about inflatons, if this is gibberish). Since we currently have a model that says 'unexpected expansion acceleration' and a model that hints at prior periods of unusual expansion speeds then I'm just saying... there is too much going on here we don't know for us to be better the farm that "this time we are finally right even though every other time we were wrong", with these unknowns hanging around.

[@Dragrath1]

@@nathanielacton3768 Expansion can naturally go "FTL" because as volume expands there is more space to expand and as a region gets increasingly empty (flatter) time passes faster thus it creates a positive feedback cycle. As my longer somewhat more rambling post points out by allowing the Einstein field equations to more naturally evolve into the nonlinear domain as the rate of expansion changes locally everywhere due to the past light cone effects on curvature. This incidentally also completely eliminates the so called crisis in cosmology as naturally we see that for information of the Universes initial conditions to be conserved asymmetries must be conserved and thus the metric will evolve to become uniquely defined for all points in spacetime. Dark energy just becomes the asymmetric components of the metric tensor an echo of the past light cones if you will which affects how quickly space expands. This also can be shown to be the second law of thermodynamics in the case of all possible paths information could propagate on Effectively you can't reduce the expansion rate to a rank zero or even rank 1 tensor anymore. Damn it this post is getting long again!

[@ekothesilent9456]

@@Dragrath1 time infinitely speeding up for forever seems like something would eventually happen.. or hit a limit, or change.. or SOMETHING!!

[@FourthRoot]

I am reading "Cycles of Time" right now. When I first heard of it and read the synopsis I realized that it perfectly described my own hypothesis regarding cosmology. Felt pretty good to see my own armchair cosmology validated by one of the smartest people on the planet.

[@ManTroubled]

I had over 230 channels I subscribed to. I just had to cut it back. I chose just 10 channels and Issac Arthur is one of them

[@lordzcy6777]

Saw the title and thumbnail and started thinking darkseid

[@moleymoley32]

Isaac... that reiterated quote at the end was pure gold and still poetry, just like this episode. Fantastic job as always 👏 thanks for your efforts in expanding everyone's cosmos of knowledge.

[@dblockbass]

Very much appreciate the mention of David Deutsche and Roger Penrose. Penrose's theory of cyclic conformal cosmology fits well with this topic. Deutsche's constructor theory is also very formidable when taken along with theories of non space-time by Donald D Hoffman. Recently (few years) been fascinated by the concept of literal zero, one and infinity from a numerological, rational, informational and philosophical sense. It could be that there is a point inside or outside space time where there is no meaningful distinction between them.

[@Teraphim]

Looks interesting, the ultimate mind, the universe truly knowing itself.

[@matt.willoughby]

This was the best episode for a long, long time. Absolutely fascinating ideas.

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

Thanks, I was very reluctant to do the episode so I'm very glad to hear that :)

[@mopspear]

@@isaacarthurSFIA Don't be shy!

[@UpliftedCapybara]

@@isaacarthurSFIA I’m glad you went through with this episode! I’ll definitely need to watch this one a few more times to get everything.

[@braggarmybrat]

This is straight out of Teilhard de Chardin's works. He was a Jesuit priest/scientist and proponent of evolution, heavily involved with anthropology, evolution, etc. I did my MA thesis on his works and process theology and how it intersects with science. He spoke a lot about the Omega Point as the end of evolution and the development of the noosphere. Fascinating stuff. EDIT: I wrote the above before I watched the video, and saw how Isaac starts out with TdC! I must be about his parents' age and got my BA in California. LOL, I was a young hippie too in the late 70s! LOL!

[@WiseOwl_1408]

Nonsense beyond normal human stupidity

[@kennethc2466]

Science and futurism abandoned...for woo woo 'the universe is god' BS. What the heck is happening to this channel? This sounds like a Depak Chopra 'quantum' woo woo 'seminar'.

[@papabaer6069]

Did you...watch the video? Lol

[@maradjade1848]

If you like Teilhard please read The Hyperion Cantos books.

[@kennethc2466]

@@papabaer6069 Did you...read that the OP said he did? I'm so sad to see Issac employs OBVIOUS engagement bots, like yourself. Remember to respond to me, as I'll NEVER respond to you again. Ready, set, bot baiting ahead, showing what you are!

[@agalah408]

During some beer consumption I once asked a friend what the midpoint was between zero and infinity. He thought for a minute and said '7'. I thought about this for a moment and decided that I couldn't prove him wrong.

[@davidlucas515]

If this universal omega brain does eventually come into existence, perhaps its first words will be "Of course - forty two!"

[@cameronrich5204]

Been looking forward to this episode since I saw it on the poll. Sure to be a good one, thanks for all your hard work Isaac. This is by far my favorite channel on KZbin and program of all time since tuning in 5 or more years ago. The questions posed, logical conclusions, and even the music and animations are second to none. Thank you for the knowledge and keeping me sharp and entertained all of these years!

[@LaserGuidedLoogie]

Me too. I was curious about his take on it.

[@kevinscott7292]

As a theologian myself, thank you for an objective and thoughtful approach!

[@spiralsun1]

This was my favorite video ❤ I wrote a book 20 years ago about the omega point cosmology having never read Tipler or Tielhard de Chardin 😊 from my investigation of psychology, epistemology, and brain science in reference to the cosmos. When I found Tielhard de Chardins book “The Phenomenon of Man” I was amazed. I just recently bought “The Science of Immortality” like a few weeks ago and again, so amazing! There’s a lot of things these people didn’t consider or include though. My book is “The Textbook of the Universe: the Genetic Ascent to God” and pretty much you can see from the title… 😂👍🏻👁 we saw eye to eye. I know exactly why Tipler thought the Big Crunch was linked and I have thought quite thoroughly about the fact that time doesn’t exist for light. I understand what everything in the universe IS-you can actually read it like a book. Then it all makes sense. Thanks 🙏🏻

[@AL_THOMAS_777]

Do you know the Enneagramm of Gurdjieff ? There must be a COSMIC (sic!) secret in it too . . .

[@ralphclark]

More recently (1990s) the work of Frank Tipler (of Anthropic Cosmological Principle fame). In his book “The Physics of Immortality” he referred extensively to de Chardin, but what he did was to confer mathematical physical respectability to the idea as well as produce testable hypotheses.

[@AL_THOMAS_777]

Thanks 4 the Tipler tip mate ! Never heared of him before . . .

[@ralphclark]

@@AL_THOMAS_777 that book can be considered as a follow-up to the much more well known “The Anthropic Cosmological Principle” which he co-authored with fellow physicist John D Barrow. You should read that one first.

[@richiego1n]

Strap in boys, we're gonna get theoretical!

[@EdPreen]

as a general note is should be observed that smushung a bunch of people together makes jam not angels

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

No. You get a terrible mess.... You need to add sugar to get jam.

[@rairaur2234]

As always, a great and interesting topic discussed in a great and interesting way. Thanks, Isaac, and all the best!

[@jengleheimerschmitt7941]

I have high hopes for this one. This looks to be Strong Meat on the order of early SFIA. 🙏 ...it probably isn't possible to ever top your Fermi Paradox and Megastructure series' but this looks like a serious candidate.

[@Deridus]

Recently, our dear presenter mentioned his speech patterns. Night and day in quality, but the inteligence and though provoking material is what keeps me here. Buddy, in case you see this, keep up the awesone work!

[@Robertc-lv4gs]

I think this is your best video for a long time. This must have been a difficult one to tackle. Thank you for doing so!

[@atorres603]

Thank you for your carefully considered suggestions on research material. Your videos are always very thought out and detailed. Thank you.

[@iainballas]

For a minute I thought this was "The Omega Particle" and I was going to get all excited. Then I realized it was Omega Point, and got even more excited. I really would love a side channel where you review or poke fun at various sci-fi franchises.

[@guillermoelnino]

Funny how even the prime dir3ctive tkes a back seat to it. Which knowing it basicslly destroys warp travel kind of selfish.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Omega particles are actually fiberglass whips. They destroy subspace

[@oliverhunter4427]

At risk of anthropomorphising, I think the last particles at the end of time will simply quietly quit from boredom. I call it the quiet quitting hypothesis. The big crunch is avoided when multidimensional employers either offer their photons better pay and conditions to start a new universe, or else see all matter leave for a rival employer elsewhere in the multiverse.

[@LiamsLyceum]

3:09 Tau Zero is a wild ride of a book

[@UpliftedCapybara]

A lot of fascinating ideas in this episode! I’d love to see you expand on any and all of these topics in the future. I do especially hope you get around to Orch OR and its implications.

[@prasantkarn9282]

Isaac, as much as I love this episode, I hope you haven't crossed off 'Civilisations at the End of Time: Big Crunch' off the list. I would really love to see that scenario explored, presented as one time segment after another with how civilisations progress and adapt to the changing universe (similar format to the other episodes in the end of time series) Anyway, I've been a fan since the first season, and I really enjoy your episodes! The most exciting time of the week is when you upload, and I love talking about all the ideas you present, especially by creating sci fi scenarios around it! So thank you so much, and I wish the best for you!

[@shadosun]

this channel had a big hand in inspiring me to persuade a physics degree. I'm excited but it feels more terrifying than anything in these videos lol. thank you so much for all the effort in your amazing videos. I hope you can reach even more people in science. the right now there's someone out there that will make an impact on physics/technology/philosophy. your videos are so inspiring and fascinating. thank you for all your hard work!

[@firstcynic92]

26:15. Too bad it was only 5 items. If it was 6 I would have said: “If you've done 6 impossible things this morning, why not round it off with breakfast at Milliways, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe?”

[@dirkbruere]

Tipler's Omega Point does not need this universe to be collapsing, just the universe in which it occurs

[@xXevilsmilesXx]

Not my bag, but I do enjoy you going over it.

[@gabrote42]

17:28 Great humility, sir!

[@reallybig4868]

This is my 5th episode. I've grown used to our speech differences and really enjoy the content. Have a good one!

[@jonathanhensley6141]

Your incredible videos are only matched by the equally incredible visual effects. Keep up the excellent work.

[@cannonfodder4376]

A most informative video on a topic I have never heard of before. And that wonderful ending. 😊 Always love your ability to inform and uplift my spirits every week.

[@Watcher-pt6uq]

Starmaker actually explored the concept of a finite omega point back in the 30s. It's cosmology is dated but I really suggest checking it out.

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

I will second that, I think we gave it Book of the Month some years back but it's definitely a book full of epic concepts.

[@DJRonnieG]

I only learned about Teihard after reading The Hyperion Cantos. As I recall, the Ai Technocore was working to build their own "Omega point" of a sort.

[@Dreadon1]

Same. Loved those books but they get far out there by the end.

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

@@Dreadon1 First two books were great, but the Endymion series was way out there in hippie land. Although it did give us Catholic Space Yahtzees and Swiss Guards in power armor.

[@DJRonnieG]

@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 The Endymion books grew on me. A big part for the reason is the fact that I basically learned about the Pax before picking up the first book. A ship that kills the occupants when going FTL and is then equipped resurrect them? Yes please!

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

I'd generally agree that book 1 and 2 were classics and 3/4 were a bit weaker, I know they have their own following and are well written but they didn't awe me the way the original did.

[@dhayes907]

I would like to see 2 near omega point beings duking it out but without hyperspace, FTL travel, or time travel. Maybe even throw in some parallel universe communication without universe jumping.

[@daddy7860]

A video on this is amazing. I've already been thinking for years about the concept that the patterns of nature cause all matter to tend towards more and more complexity, aka life, intelligence, and superintelligence, taking from my knowledge and experiences with physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy, etc. I didn't even know there were entire theories on this. Thank you for doing a video on this topic, Isaac.

[@AL_THOMAS_777]

Do you know the Enneagramm of Gurdjieff ? There must be a COSMIC (sic!) secret in it too . . .

[@Maehedrose]

I tend to suspect that the Universe is already a mega-mind of some sort and we are a means by which it experiences itself.

[@kenbismarck4999]

My only proplem... well - TWO problems - with your vids, kind sir: -- too many of them to watch (which I would like) -- WAAAAY too interesting 🙂 Thank you for your continuing work Best regards

[@gertlush7014]

I am very new to this, someone on a podcast mentioned The Omega Point, so I made a note to watch a video on it - this! One minute and 36 seconds in, and my mind was aware it was going to be blown...you did not disappoint. Does anybody else find it difficult to hold onto a lot of this information? I think I just need to spend more time around it. It's a great video though, thank you

[@nathanielhellerstein5871]

The Omega Point is a special case of the Paradox of the Final Effect. Define the Final Effect as the effect of all effects. It's the endpoint of causation. Will it exist? Will it have an effect? Causation is either endless, or it will have an endpoint, or it cycles in a loop. In the first case, there is no Final Effect; in the second case, the Final Effect is ineffectual; in the third case there's a Postfinal Effect, which causes and is caused by the Final Effect. I vote for the biggest possible loop, in which the Postfinal Effect equals the First Cause.

[@CoffeeKitty.]

Thank you for making the extended videos as seperate shorts! i love to watch them but i cannot download nebula videos so i must watch all your videos on youtube so i can play them on my tv, and being able to bookmark those and go back to them is great!

[@TonyKindred-pd8kw]

Just adore your channel Mr. Arthur. Recently I've been watching Isaac Arthur's channel in the daytime and "The Expanse" at night. Great stuff for a space junkie. Thank you!

[@rtqii]

I saw THE LAST QUESTION as a planetarium show in 1972. It made an impression that I still carry today.

[@YodaWhat]

Very interesting and thought provoking, @Isaac Arthur. Even for very minor-seeming points like *photons emitted that are never absorbed,* which has implications just as deep as whether black holes preserve or destroy information. For the photons, they all carry Energy, of course, but also Momentum, Spin, Orbital Angular Momentum, Polarization... Collectively, energy, momentum and information. Photons carry those things from where they were created to where they are absorbed, but what happens to those things if those photons are NEVER absorbed? "Energy cannot be created or destroyed" says the doctrine, but it CAN be redshifted until the wavelength approaches infinity. Then what of Momentum? What if anything does it mean "to redshift momentum"? Does it even make sense to speak of redshifting Spin, Polarization or OAM? Nor does it really help even with energy just to say "It got redshifted away." The question still remains: Where did it GO? I can only suggest a partial answer: Energy and Momentum may NOT be lost, but *gradually transferred to space itself* and thereby contribute to the _apparently accelerating_ expansion of the Universe which is presently described as Dark Energy.

[@TheRukisama]

I haven't watched the whole video yet, I just wanted to say I'm very glad to see you tackling more esoteric concepts like this. Right or wrong, they expand the "surface of ideas" further and are worth contemplating. Also your discussion of Frederik Pohl's books and the Eschaton reminds me very much of the concept of the "Final Shape" from the lore of the game Destiny. It's science fantasy (with emphasis on the fantasy) but it might be something to look into for examples for future videos if you're not already familiar. I like to think of it as a neat combo of 40k and Star Wars with some other stuff mixed in. Edit: I also quite liked your poem at the end!

[@egoalter1276]

Destiny's lore carries on from Marathon: Infinity, and it pretty explicitly ends on the omega point.

[@ColdHawk]

Isaac, I’ve been a long time fan and I hope you will let me extend my sincerest compliments on your R’s. I am sure that took a lot of work, and the difference from your original videos is absolutely inspiring. Congratulations on the results!

[@ianmeade7441]

Your video on January 20th 2022 was about the Big Rip. Today, just a day short of one year from then we have the Big Crunch. Very well done!

[@favesongslist]

What an excellent video especially considering the complexity of the topic. Well done Isaac

[@DanielGenis5000]

Isaac, I really liked this one, real abstract contemplation. I love the science fiction you brought up, and am so happy to learn you are a landsman!

[@reporeport]

Isaac this episode is absolutely off the charts!! Man, this is why I tell everyone this is the absolute best channel on KZbin. you're a national treasure man. and so clearly just a god dude, your way of shining a new light on everything has been a godsend during a contrastingly dark time in my life. Thank you man\.

[@hoopla1950]

Man I just want to tell you that it's inspiring to hear someone with a speech impediment make such high quality videos. I stutter badly, when I was a teen I made KZbin videos and basically got bullied off the website. That was 10 years ago now. I've been wanting to make some videos recently but I'm worried about the backlash. Your channel gives me some inspiration though.

[@mrnnhnz]

Another interesting episode thanks. I love Asimov's The Last Answer. Definitely one of my top two or three of his stories. By the way, the philosopher Herodotus? Not pronounced hir-a-DOTE-iss, it's hih-ROD-a-tiss. The Laniakea supercluster isn't la-NAK-ee-a, it's lan-ee-a-KAY-a. It's winter in the southern hemisphere. Some of your viewers, like me, live down here. Please don't overlook us.🥺

[@ChrisBrengel]

Isaac, I find that your videos fall somewhere between, "This is not working for me,I'm not gonna watch the rest Of this video" to " These are some of the coolest ideas ever!" This video is one of the latter! Thank you so much for making it.

[@dfgdfg_]

Enjoyed the tasteful and subtle music on this one. Thanks Isaac

[@Kaget0ra]

When I contemplate things like the structure of the universe resembling neurons or the relatively vast amount of empty space at the atomic level, I can't help imagining that our universe is just one atom of a super-scale universe and likewise that each of our atoms are themselves sub-scale universes. It might be turtles all the way down, but there's turtles all the way up too! :)

[@DEMiURGE455]

Wow. That book title “The Siege of Eternity” sounds awesome

[@yverse_space]

Beautifully put together video!

[@Trainwizard]

The number of times my mind exploded gives Iron Stars and the Existential Crisis playlist runs for their money. And that's why I love SFIA! Every time I look at the iris of the human eye, it looks like a universe of its own. I'm convinced space and time are a fractal. I also wonder how flies percieve time compared to us, what with their wings flapping hundreds of times a second.

[@dyotoorion1835]

Really enjoyed this episode. Cheers Issac Arthur. :-)

[@joz6683]

Great video, looking forwards to future topics. Thanks for all your hard work this one was certainly appreciated.

[@IndigoWhiskey]

love the on the nose scifi callouts. was just thinking about the last question as you got to the point of mentioning it :-). its funny though i always thought the paradigm between speed intelligence and quality intelligence to be a more severe potential limiting factor than the cosmological evolutionary incentive to evolve that far. definitely glad i wasn't the only one to spot the supercluster - neuron aesthetic similarity though. didn't think i could be but its always nice to have a theory vindicated.

[@DavidJohnson-mo7fq]

Great episode. Always loved this idea, though I think we often look at humanity's (or an alien analogue) assumed eventual role in it a bit grandiosely. I've always liked the idea that the universe is already a fully formed consciousness and we're so insignificant as to not even be detritus to it. It regards us the same way I regard subatomic particles in my colon (which is to say it doesn't regard us at all, isn't aware of us except conceptually, if it chooses to be).

[@micah3209]

We aren't aware of a subatomic particle in our colon because of the limitations of the human mind, which probably don't apply to a cosmos scale intelligence. I'm sure the cosmos is very aware of us, but relates to us and deals with us in ways that we don't really comprehend.

[@TheWeatherbuff]

Thanks for the brain food, as always, Isaac! You handled this topic in a superb fashion, considering you had to meld a bit of theology into it. I have not paged through the comments, but I hope everyone will stay semi-civilized with their input. I find myself taking solace in your episodes, as they provide hope and enlightenment, which is something I sorely lack. And it is a wonderful and logical break from my trade of Meteorology. I'll become a Patreon, and take you up on the Curiosity Stream/Nebula offer. Many thanks, Good Sir!

[@srmxe417]

Dear Mr. Arthur, may you and your kids outlive the universe, gratitude & regards

[@LoVeLoVe-bi2rq]

Yo, what the hell Isaac! I did not expect this type of video dealing with Teilhard's ideas from you. I'm really happy you did a video on it though, getting these ideas to an audience of people who might not be familiar with them.

[@SumBrennus]

Just one more student of Teilhard de Chardin's work here. I was excited when Isaac announced his look at the Omega Point. In my Third year Seminar and History of Magic, Science and Religion post 1600 class I read TdC (in French) and worked up a couple of papers on the subject. I first heard of TdC on the CBC radio show Ideas when I was home sick. It was part of a lecture series. Public Broadcasting FTW! Of course the actual theory by Tippler (I read Physics of Immortality... odd book to say the least for a physics book) had already been disproved because he needed the Top Quark's mass to fall in a certain range and the mass that was determined by experiment was too heavy. Plus, at this time COBE and WMAP results were in showing a moderately open universe. So, yeah, I did a deep dive when the evidence against an Omega Point was coming in against it. But I have to say that I was married to a Fundamentalist Christian and was desperately trying to keep something that *looked* like Christianity as a belief system. I brought Physics of Immortality with me on Christmas break and the Fundamentalist family did not react well to my reading it. They're not Young Earth Creationists... more Theistic Evolutionist camp. The marriage failed the next year. I got an A on the paper and an offer to re-work to publish it in a journal.

[@benjaminconnor6640]

shame about the marriage, glad you got the A though.

[@innocentbystander3317]

I hate the CBC, but they do have some good programs. Been a fan of Quirks & Quarks (hosted by macdonald) for ages.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Yep, unequally yoked. Problem for them is, theistic evolution is the least reasonable position (if we ignore flat earth). YEC is the way. Answers in Genesis has the receipts

[@SumBrennus]

​@@cosmictreason2242 You new here? I know I brought up YEC in personal context but this isn't really the place I would discuss it since 1) Isaac and team take a dim view of it. 2) I actually took GRADUATE SCHOOL level courses in General Relativity which is THE core theory of Cosmology. I have analyzed data. I have researched. I have done the theoretical work. If you want to convince me we should correspond elsewhere. PM my channel. It is mainly video game related but I am flexible.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@SumBrennus general relativity is core to Russell Humphrey’s gravitational time dilation model of the universe’s expansion from a YEC framework. While I understood the non technical parts of it, you would be in a position to check his math, because he published his equations in the article I read. You should check it out. YEC fundamentally does not deny real science, but critiques faulty interpretations and misrepresentations of what is and isn’t science versus religious metaphysical presuppositions. Well worth it to hear the other side. When I first encountered them, everything I read was about stuff I already knew. They just connected the dots in a way that made more logical sense - and then of course there’s piles of evidence contradicting the standard model. Please take my recommendation

[@hayorge27]

When I turned 16, I spent the next 3 months driving my mother 3x/week 2hours to Duke for ECT (electric shock treatment). Long story, last time the Dr fd up and killed her. She ended up at the Omega point. Her entire family, alive and dead, were waiting. Then they recusitated her. I don't worry about death ever since

[@jimshockey6789]

Oooh. I won't be able to get to this until later. I'm excited!

[@TheRomanTimesNews]

Omega Vibes on deck ❤

[@georgejones3526]

The possibility of existing for an eternity scares the living shit out of me.

[@LaserGuidedLoogie]

I read Tipler's book, Omega Point, back in high school. Something that bothered me then, as now, is the realization that no matter how long you live, you are just extending the period of existential dread. You KNOW that the Big Dark Wall is coming, someday, you just get longer period to contemplate that fact, along with better cognition to understand your end. That led to my consideration that this Universe is simply a stage in a broader context, and our part in it is like that of a bacterium against the backdrop of life on Earth. That's enough to drive a man to drink, or to religion, or maybe both.

[@lionlol]

This is the S-Tier content I subscribed for.

[@jacofalltrades7610]

God's Debris is an awesome short story /thought experiment that definitely primed my mind for this video years ago. Oddly, written by Dilbert creator, Scott Adams, who unfortunately has lost the plot in recent years.

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

I've heard of it but not read it, which is surprising considering I was a big Dilbert fan ands obviously fond of such topics, I've not really kept up on his work since then much.

[@hazzah5572]

By "lost the plot" he means the guy criticised the woke culture that has recently taken over the United States.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@hazzah5572 in other words, he became based af

[@hazzah5572]

@cosmictreason9155 yea I mean he has mocked woke hiring policies in his cartoons and made a few jokes about Biden dying from COVID and OP seems to equate this with insanity. Casual contempt that the left is so very fond of.

[@Montgomery25]

I loved “The Last Question” !!!

[@aquilae1670]

Man, I thought I was the only one that thought they looked like neurons! Your channel truly gives me answers to questions about the universe and fuels my desire for knowledge. Thank you so much!

[@KingOfTheJuice666]

Friday morning is bin pickup, and in addition to bringing untold educational happiness to hundreds of thousands, your videos also remind me to put the trash to the curb. Thanks, Isaac!

[@joelhicks5468]

man these videos just blow my mind

[@TheLemon420]

I feel that there is a sort of hyperspace that encapsulates all of consciousness and we are deeply imbedded in a section of it. If we can access larger parts of it, or find the energy that actually ends up causing things to happen or not, then we can basically bring heaven down to earth. I have dedicated my life to legitimately access this.

[@titanmaximum239]

Great episode.

[@Just.A.T-Rex]

While I do wish more of your videos were based on facts instead of speculation and sci-fi ish story telling, this channel is and always will be top tier! Thank you for your hard work (my wife had a channel and it’s a serious grind sometimes but the money is stupid good!) keeping the content rolling out. Be well, stay safe!

[@KushnKayfabe]

Dude you are awesome. Great video, as always.

[@robmills8408]

love your channel buddy

[@serenedoge9920]

Hey Isaac, just wondering if you’ve heard of a Tipler Oracle. It’s basically an artificial omega point generated through a wormhole into a ‘basement universe’. It’s over on the Orion’s Arm website, just thought you might get a kick out of it and the other stuff on there if you’ve never seen it.

[@kainech]

You do manage to walk a fine line on flamewar topics like this. There's a history behind Teilhard de Chardin's concept of energy, where older forms of Christianity were decidedly panentheistic. Dr. David Bradshaw has a good book on it called "Aristotle East and West: Metaphysics and the Division of Christndom" that chronicles the processes by which some of this was lost. It can compliment de Chardin's views and help them, but they don't jive completely. At the very least, it's a good history for where the word "energy" comes from.

[@maryt7959]

Mister Isaac. I am a huge fan of your channel . 🔥👏

[@ghrey8282]

I’m getting a stronger and stronger feeling that a Nebula subscription is in my future.

[@pollywops9242]

The cone shape is what was used to explain time to me in another video , that you only go forward ,the 45 degree angles stay at even distance from an object and so always points in one direction

[@TheEyez187]

It's strange, I've had some of these ideas, independently, and now I have terms/names for them! It could have been worth mentioning Andy Weir's The Egg; some similar ideas, pointing towards us, as an individual and whole becoming a K7 entity.

[@altha-rf1et]

Last I heard of Omega thought of Star Trek Voyager when they did an esp on the Omega particle.

[@DouglasCortinovis]

Fascinating episode

[@RydarkVoyager]

Fire or Ice? I remember that weird scene in Stanley Kubrick's Spartacus, where Crassus (Laurence Olivier) tries to tempt Antoninus (Tony Curtis), via a discussion of Snails and Oysters ('cause Crassus liked both). Not sure about the merits, or the inevitability of either end point, but I like BOTH Fire and Ice. But if either is true, regardless of your personal stake, there is a chance we'll all meet up again in that distant point, as infinity needs a lot to fill it up...