The Omen Curse is a Lie | Elden Ring Lore

[@Kosmos_er]

Today I had originally intended to release the third part of the emancipation theory. However, as time was rapidly running out before the release of shadow of the erdtree, I realized that I would not be able to deliver what was my most complicated video in a satisfactory manner, and so rather than rush it out or not release anything, I was reminded on stream that now would be the perfect time to talk about something very much relevant to the DLC that I had given up on addressing before it’s release. I hope you guys enjoy this shorter video

[@Asankeket]

I'll use this opportunity to say that I'm very much looking forward to that third video about the emancipation theory. I consider it thematically very plausible. Supporting evidence, meanwhile, I find hard to come by, but that's pretty much the same for any interpretation of Elden Ring's backstory.

[@herb9838]

It was a great vid. Some lore channels I don't like at all but yours is fantastic.

[@C_A_I_N_N]

I'm gonna state my theory first. I think the omens horns are a symbol of divinity and the power they grant the omen and all associated with growing horns from their body share this trait veing the ability to spirit call without needing a connection to the erdtree like the obelisks and spirit calling bells.

[@C_A_I_N_N]

Beyond this to elaborate, what made marika a god was controlling the cycle of life, death, and rebirth with spirit calling being an aspect of that and this based on the omen, the ancestral followers and their budding horn and the hornsent whom seem to have been the culture that considered horns divine in the ancestral followers bussing horn description.

[@ComradeOgilvy369]

You were big right

[@devinguy]

"If everyone is cursed, no one is cursed!" -The Dung Eater, probably.

[@Lemonadessss]

Dung eater on top 🔥🔥

[@blackeddeath]

If horns are revealed to be a particularly holy aspect in the Pre-Erdtree civilization, then it makes sense that the Golden Order would revile them above other aspects of the Crucible in this seemingly arbitrary way.

[@codydagg2259]

I agree. It’s a classic case of obliterating the culture and reducing them to nothing while writing their own history for them. Omen dream of something awful that happened to them and I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t them specifically, so much as a shared consciousness surrounding their people’s slaughter and destruction at the hands of the Golden Order.

[@coolio6855]

Especially given what we learn about the shamans and the hornsent in Shadow of the Erdtree

[@nicolasleiva6636]

Except the reality is that Marika hates the crucible because those who revered it killed and tortured her people.

[@blackeddeath]

Gonna pretend that wasn't a spoiler 😢

[@breakthecode4634]

​@blackeddeath why are you here if you dont want spoilers? Nobody gonna feel bad for you.

[@WobiKabobi]

Ended up being a pretty damn good prediction

[@jabbathehutt2774]

My opinion on the dung eater is basically that he is this really edgy asshole that had a rough life, falsly associated himself with the omens since he was locked away in the filth of the sewer, and festered into this curse propogating demon. When i see an omen, i feel sympathy. The apathetic and bitter rage of the cursed omen is something i can understand. Or at least on some level forgive. However when i look at the dung eater. I see a sad lonely gross abhorent monster of a man that faced justified consequences for abhorrent violations of (relatively) innocent people, and blamed everyone else, and associated himself with the people he saw as peers. The briar shield. (The one with the maiden getting her eyes thorned) Mentions a girl who had her eyes crushed by the briars of sin before being reborn blind. I do believe this is irina/hyetta, and because of that blindness she is "pushed" towards madness. Sin begets sin. So in the way you say that the omen curse isnt evil, its filthy. When the dung eater defiles his victims they come back cursed. Since they are cursed and bitter they became monsters, since they are monsters they are spurned and defiled, and from that filth came the dung eater. Some kind of mass defilement on some level had to have happened in the past for all these omen to start popping up in the capital. And I'm starting to think the erdtree itself is doing the defilement. Just look at erdtree burial, that doesn't look very clean or pleasant for the corpses involved. Lastly "can't fit all this into one comment" but on the note of the state of ones death affecting the results of rebirth. When Irina shows up in liurnia she seemingly has no memory. Who else is wounded, and has little memory of their purpose? Melina. (My irina theory could be disproven if its actually shabriri possesing her. But also Hyetta's corpse stays in the weeping peninsula so perhaps shes somehow bodiless too. She even burns up at the end of her quest.)

[@avalokiteshvara113]

Dung eater gives me incel vibes, they too eat shet

[@barfrost007]

If accurate, then it would make for an interesting allegory, as that supposed mechanism of the curse would mimic the real world mechanism of abuse.

[@erikreber3695]

He was fascinated and the "dung eater" before he is locked away in the sewer. You can see that he was hung dead in the intro. All of the tarnished were resurrected by grace to do the greater wills bidding.

[@Honed-]

its why they call it "death" but in every other fromsoft game its been called "curse" makes ya think....

[@NeoNaito]

the problem is that Irina and Hyetta are not the same person. Irina's corpse stays where it is while Hyetta is alive and moving around. Unless I missed the part where she was an empyrean and left the part of her that waited for her father behind at this location, like McKayla and Tina, they just happen to look 100% identical... but are 2 separate entities.

[@tomlin09]

The Hornsent seem to fit the bill here. Now look into what they did to the people of Shaman Village and a particular person who hails from there.

[@yjoltetepique8555]

they already had horns. tbh this theory ignored a lot of lore we already knew even before dlc

[@taddad2641]

used them in some horrific 'soul purifiying' ritual by grafting peeps into their bodies. ....... oh my god that is what grafting is. marika's a shaman, and her passed own lineage allows for the grafting of flesh onto them.

[@fireblast133]

So, someone pointed out that it’s very likely the Erdtree is growing off the crucible. In gardening, getting a plant to grow by attaching it to another plant is grafting. When that plant takes over the host it’s called an omen

[@maximedaunis8292]

People are the compost

[@Digitalman271]

Well this aged well.

[@scruffy5812]

We did 100% see ancient horned soldiers

[@jacobtrout2303]

Aged ancient horned soldiers who enslaved the numen, cut them up, grafted them together, and stuffed them in jars to become strange abominations. Marika, after seeing her whole species massacred by them (they killed every single one besides her), seeks justice and waged war to eradicate them. She then creates her own world with its own order, where she can have a family again, and takes out the rune of death so that in her world, her family cannot die. Her enemies then curse her, and this is why there are omen in the lands between, specifically her own children. They would not have had horns had it not been for them. They deserved to be wiped out by Messemer’s flame. Marika was the hero.

[@castlus]

@@jacobtrout2303 omen are not a curse but a blessing after all a hornsent can only be born in an era of prosperity unfortunately both of the demi-god brothers happened to have marika the ptsd-ed one as their mother

[@looperlord6043]

@@jacobtrout2303 Uh-huh, and what about all of the other genocides and persecutions that Marika's order did besides them? To me, it seems pretty clear that in her quest for revenge she lost herself and became the very thing she hated -- a monster. I mean, come on, throwing her own kids and all other omens in the sewers? Chopping off their horns and killing them in the process? These people have done her people, unlike the hornsent, and yet look at how they're treated.

[@themercifulguard3971]

@@looperlord6043 On top of that, she basically hired Omenkillers to purge any babies born with the horns during the age of the Erdtree

[@LarkyLuna]

The eyes of the frenzy sprout from places of despair, like the battlefield in front of the volcano manor The rot comes from stagnant water I could see defilement causing the curse What causes the greater will? Order itself?

[@klenstdp1737]

I think the greater will is just the one in charge currently and the other outer gods need to use something to get in, so the greater will’s presence just is there.

[@ЕкатеринаСеренкова]

Yeah, it's kegare as always.

[@theenderdestruction2362]

I have begun to think its mankind itself which causes the greater will or atleast on some level, it be increibky poetic if the only rrason the greater will isnt around is cause most of mankind isnt around, man cant do shit cause his main source of actual nourishment: mankind being around isnt well around anymore for one reason or another

[@rainer516]

You nailed it. The hornsent edified the crucible and horns. They also persecuted the numen/shaman. Marika was a shaman who achieved godhood and proceeded to massacre all hornsent, so they put a curse on the golden order which manifests as Omen.

[@jacobtrout2303]

The hornsent deserved to die. They had no right to curse the people that they had practically already cursed with their vile practices.

[@ravenshrike]

The curse is placed on Marika long before she sent Messmer in for some much deserved retribution. Current theory is that she "betrayed" them by using the spiral tower they made out of the bodies and souls of her people to make a play for the Elden Ring.

[@gainsofglory6414]

The DLC confirmes the hornsent are the source of the omen curse. The grandma in the storeroom admits it if she is attacked, and recalls the curse by name. The hornsent defiled the erdtree making it create their divine image in place of Marika's, as they were doing when they genocided the shamans. That is why its called the Omen curse. Each side sees it as an omen for better or for worse.

[@Kosmos_er]

I do wonder, the dialogue goes like this: "The curse of the omen shall strike thee down... In the form of the sacred beast's ire." She is saying the curse will manifest as the wrath of the divine beast, the omen are the ones who cast the curse, the hornsent themselves. It is interesting that they actually call themselves omen, but it nicely confirms that omen and hornsent are basically the same. Tho hornsent aren't all horned it was just a dominant and desired trait in their society.

[@maximedaunis8292]

Maybe some hornsent were incorporated in erdtree burial and thats how their traits got passed on through the tree to marika/elden ring to her children and others?

[@KnownUser139]

@@maximedaunis8292 maybe that massacre at the divine gate had something to do with that, when marika ascended

[@unfortunateinc.205]

I think its reasonable to assume, despite not being refrenced in game, that both Morgott AND Mogh were visited by the formless mother. After all the use of hemmorage seems to be exclusive to them among other omens. Makes sense to me that Morgott just rejected his bloodflame, containing it in his sword instead.

[@Kosmos_er]

the is another omen in game who use bloodflame aside from them

[@Nemo12417]

I'd also note that Mohg does not use the signature muddy wraith flames of the Omen at all, which suggests to me that his contact with the Formless Mother is less an Omen thing and more akin to Malenia and the Scarlet Rot.

[@Kosmos_er]

@@Nemo12417 when morgot uses bloodblames, the wraith flames disapear too. I wonder if the formless mother's blessing also wards of or consume the vengeful spirits. I think it could be intresting as the formless mother is the only thing that brought mohg a measure of peace from the torture he's been subjected to his whole life, could explain why he is so on board with her.

[@glowindark64]

​@@Kosmos_eroh wow I love this idea!

[@dbfzato-1327]

I'm pretty sure he does it to them alive, and they die from the injurys, case in point bogart asking you to finish him off, I think the dung eater is copying what the golden order did to the land of shadow, they probably cursed that land to boost there own realm in some way

[@miquella7207]

I'm discovered this video after playing the DLC and it's surprising how right you were. Good analysis job right there !

[@Mecha_phant0m]

Great touch using the journey ost, really underrated for how beautiful it is

[@pockystyx4087]

I always assumed that killing the omen off was either a greater will thing or; or related to Marika wanting more control, but I never assumed that Marika would have been motivated by revenge for the shamans. It paints the whole conflict with even more shades of grey, and does a lot to “humanize” Marika becoming a god for a reason. It also really made Jar making a lot worse and gross too; the Hornsent had some interesting practices.

[@jacobfoxfires9647]

It also became tragic knowing two of her children were omen and treated them so poorly. All from the trauma in the shadowlands. Knowing how two of her own flesh and blood could not be loved because of what she experienced from Omen makes Morgott even more tragic.

[@EricDoesFitness]

Kinda nailed it with the prediction 🙌🏽😅

[@TheGoodCrusader]

That's all well and good but.... CURSE YOU BAYLE!

[@solomon9655]

I’m curious if the “Omen Curse” is less caused by filth and it’s more that the Grace is expunged by filth. “Omen Curse” is Golden Order propaganda. Those “cursed” are in reality spurned by Grace and reborn as Omen or Misbegotten. Perhaps “Omen” is the true form before the Erdtree?

[@Kosmos_er]

I do draw a distinction between just omenhood and the curse. I think people might be born omen due to whatever mechanism, but they won't necessarely have cursed blood like they do in the golden order. Omenhood itself could be described as a curse ofc, but isn't the curse i am talking about if that makes sense

[@ramoraid]

being born omen is not a curse, its more about a god choosing to give you their power. Each category of magic has a tie to a god and enough use of it can affect a person and also their descendants when the one afflicted procreates. Many folks in the land between in the base game show signs of being afflicted with something and then being capable of using a specific type of magic as well.

[@Junebug879]

I really love the lore of Elden Ring it’s astonishing how well it’s written compared to other games more generic games.

[@jeracaruna9]

Have you played Bloodborne?

[@Junebug879]

@@jeracaruna9 I have never played bloodborne I have a Xbox 🥺

[@Junebug879]

@@jeracaruna9 I think the gothic style that game goes for is awesome though

[@TheSolarium18]

well written? lol its not generic that’s true but well written is the opposite of souls in general and when it comes to lore being smart and a well thought through mastercraft darksouls is worlds better than eldenring

[@Junebug879]

@@TheSolarium18 ds1 has very cool lore my favorite characters are siegmeyer Seeth and the trader with the gold horns. They have points behind their existence and a story to tell which Elden Ring is lacking in unfortunately.

[@FaeQueenCory]

There's one small issue: there's no omen in Miquella's Heiligtree. If there was a means to purify the curse of omenhood, Miquella's rebirth process would have been viable for it. (Especially since it works on the artificial albinaurics.) But no omen ever seemed to even try to make it to his embrace. Perhaps it was simply an oversight, or perhaps there was a real reason why omen and omen alone seem to be excluded from Miquella's Heiligtree.

[@Kosmos_er]

To be fair, unlike the Albinaurics and Misbegottens, the Omen are actively imprisoned and put in confinement. They basically can't be found on the surface besides the very few used on the battlefield. They don't seem to have the option to form an organized group to revolt or make a pilgrimage to the Haligtree.

[@Digitalman271]

Yeah I don't think the Omen have the leeway to make it to the haligtree. They're trapped underground and in old battlefields as soldiers of the Golden Order.

[@ramoraid]

the misbegotten are part of the crucible they have wing, scales and tail. They are part of the crucible but no horns and from the dlc it seems the horn part is very important.

[@mrducky..]

This is clearly Omen propaganda 🤷‍♂️

[@imannam]

get off your alt account, Radagon

[@nemesisundead83]

10/10 comment

[@do0Mbot]

State-backed political hit piece on Marika so close to the dlc... Couldn't be more blatant.

[@billyshakespeare1696]

#OLM

[@anactualguy8257]

Heresy, purity will lay this folly to rest.

[@noahpatik8229]

I can't wait for the dlc, so I can see people doing karate while haveing a dior parfume

[@ironymaiden1089]

i'm bouta dual wield perfume bottles and commit omen genocide, if nobody got me, i know that Greater Will got me, can i get an amen?

[@noahpatik8229]

@@ironymaiden1089 amen

[@glowindark64]

​@@ironymaiden1089yuuuup. Alot of marika slander recently....time for golden inquisition

[@michaelshogbonyo3676]

@@ironymaiden1089omen

[@VesiustheBoneCruncher]

Parfum is very manly. Karate is very manly. This combination is for the manliest men. *Applies baby oil*

[@Bennick323]

Long reach back, but the idea of those with horns being oppressed goes back to a bunch of Team Ico's games, like Ico and Shadow of the Colossus, which I believe Miyazaki has claimed as some of his major influences since Demon Souls.

[@jjking8577]

Mohg literally got blood doodoo everywhere in his region

[@Rudi4rius]

Delete this

[@nulls5408]

It would be funny if we learn that dlc lands (despite purge) turns out to be a better place to live than the lands between. Oh, and due to the position that dung eaters victims are found & how the soul in Japanese culture is near the lower intestine. It’s regarded that what he does to his victims is - he literally eats their souls out of their butt which is why he is called as he is. This isn’t even the first time a fromsoftware enemy does this. For the headless in sekiro will rip out wolf’s soul the same way if your grabbed by them.

[@SmallOneEyedKing]

This is a very interesting theory, I love it. The concept that the golden order worshippers wat to remove is the Aspect of the Crucible Because life is one is not orderly.

[@fjcstenberg6178]

Your conclusion was double right! First we have Hornsent who show aspects of the crucible while remaining holy, but we also have the blood fiends who could according to this theory be those who have accepted defilement and they appear of very similar build to omens, but they lack horns and other characteristic crucible features.

[@kreadapelu8813]

It’s so hard to get people to understand that the Golden Order, the dominant faction of the Lands Between that demands unfaltering and blind zealotry, lies about everything. That line “they were never saints, they just happened to be on the losing side of a war” immediately made me think Omen. Omen and all the Crucible touching critters. Omen are signs of things to come. Omen in Elden Ring are reminders of what was. Here’s a list of Omen & Crucible related critters: Everything but bland humans. Ok, no. Omen, Sanguine Nobles, Sanguine Albinaurics, Misbegotten, Demihumans, Miranda Flowers, Land Squirts, Land Octopus, Erdtree, modern Dragons, Erdtree Guardians, Crucible Knights, Rykard, Snakemen, Godskins, Beastmen, Ancestral Followers, the Netflix show Sweet Tooth.

[@Recoil1808]

I mean but they definitely weren't saints tho, and Golden Order incantations are the Faith/Int incantations. It's basically math as a religion. That's not to say the Golden Order didn't become hugely repressive, but so is the entire rest of the Lands Between (if Dominula is anything to go by, the Godskins probably deserve the repression. Modern dragons have a bad habit of just randomly eating people unless bested. Miranda Flowers also eat people. Rykard was the head of the secret police and lives in a torture dungeon. The Omen are a literal curse on the people the Hornsent failed to exterminate and then got salty about humans doing it better, and if their horns aren't cut are expressly shown to be capable of manipulating the malicious spirits of the dead).

[@Cyanosis132]

In relation to this curse that the omens have and the spirits summoned from it, what relation do the revenants, and wraith callers have to the curse with their wraith calling bells? The way the revenants summon in are also with that yellowy energy associated with the spirits. Both are found in filthy environments or in old swamped ruins, but they do not contain the spirits within themselves like the omen do/can. Also, omen with more and more horns seem to be directly related to being able to call forth more power of this curse. One example is the omen boss fight shows this, with the one shorn of horns uses a blood axe, and the one with many horn growths uses the curse. Sidenote on the revenants and wraith callers, what is their association with holiness versus healing? The royal revenant boss has innate holy resistance, but they also seem to operate on D&D principles of healing magic versus undead. Seems to be a very unusual set of distinct characteristics.

[@rocketb00t]

This is a great theory and I'm confident it's at least a step in the right direction. But what I'm mire convinced of is that being "omen" or touched by the crucible was once very common, possibly even the norm, but the Golden Order has been systematically eliminating anyone with ties to the crucible and as such omen traits have diminished over time.

[@hoosierfoodog]

Marika had mad beef with the Crucible Worshipping Hornsent. I’m willing to bet the two sons being born with Horns is what caused her to Banish Godfrey with all his soldiers.

[@DanielGarcia-rx3kt]

"Heresy is not native to the world; it is but a contrivance. All things can be conjoined." Considering Omens and Albinaurics alike can both have their eyes shine with gold to drop extra runes I don't think any of them are as cursed and reviled by life as some in the Lands Between think they are. I mean, we know Sites of Grace are in the Land of Shadow as well and they're likely connected to the Erdtree given the mounds of earth under the sprites indicating a connection to its root system.

[@Stickweasel91]

And now we have the Hornsent. People around before the Golden Order? Check. No signs of being cursed? Check. Persecuted by the Golden Order? Double Check.

[@TophatBoar]

Oh no he's clueless

[@gaet1893]

They deserved the L from Marika ngl

[@Mr.Rendo1]

@@gaet1893to be fair it’s probably a particular caste of hornsent rather than them all

[@arcanefire7511]

​@@gaet1893genocide is bad

[@roundninja]

Interesting theory. I've played a little of the DLC and so far it seems to match what you're saying. The omen-like entities seem much less defiled and cursed than the omens underneath Leyndell.

[@Inshabael.]

Because they are mistreated and filthy, the Hornsent warriors are absolute units and possess an ancient elegance. And the Curseblades wear those long drapes because they are ascetics.

[@albyx]

Great video. The more I play the DLC, the more it's obvious that the Omen and the natural world order (the Crucible/Crucible era) have a larger part to play in the story of SotE.

[@jojipoji2322]

Very good video. Fascinating subject, I thought about this curse for some time and it always seemed so off to me.

[@TheRealTetro]

Cool video as always Kosmos, glad you could make it in time ! Long message ahead, but for some reason I am fascinated by the topic of Omen and their horns. We discussed it a little bit in your last stream, but I'm still very curious about why there seems to be a specificity about horns among other aspects of the Crucible. There is a clear distinction between Omen and Misbegotten, despite how they appear to be even closer to the Crucible since they show more aspects of it (but not horns, or very little of them, and even visually the stubs they have seem different to the Omen horns). Omen horns are a "big deal", Gideon mentions them in passing as if it was a saying people have (something being more wicked than an Omen horn). Surely, it might simply come down to the original inhabitants of the Lands Between having horns as part of their being, but it's still very conspicuous. Ancestral Followers want living things to experience sprouting, and that sprouting is again specifically horns, or antlers, which seem similar in more ways than one. And on that topic, there's also a thing about how many Omens, or otherwise horned individuals, *only* show them on their head and nowhere else. All the Omens we've seen so far from the DLC, sanguine nobles, horned lions (!!), and maybe we can even count Albinaurics. But also Mohg and Morgott (who also has a few on his tail but nowhere else on his body but his head). That makes me think that horns sprouting all over the Omen we know are a corruption of even that from the original system. That maybe due to the stagnation of the current order, and births being very few, the "blessing" of horns might get a bit too strong on the people who are born with them. On the question of their horns and the curse being separate things, I really like the idea that you bring up. Omen blood is probably a potent thing, potentially divine even. Its nature might be to attract spirits, since ancestral followers seem to want to do something like that, but due to kegare, the Omen blood attracts wraiths instead. Interestingly, you can summon the Dung Eater on sewer Mohg, which is strange in the sense that he likes Omen, but on the other hand he might need their defiled blood (or rather the blood that's been defiled, if it is not cursed in nature as you suggest) to curse other people since his own blood is not that of Omen, even if he swims in shit all day it's not enough to actually curse others. Obligatory mention of the GEQ in any lore theory: If horns are signifiers of divine beings from the previous age, and if the GEQ was the goddess of the previous age, did she have horns ? There are Omen-looking horns on the Drake set, despite dragons not being particularly horny. But as everybody knows and agrees with, Placidusax was the GEQ's lord, so... Watch none of this be alluded to in the DLC, even if there are Omen all over the place. 👌😂🔫

[@Kosmos_er]

You raise some good point, i have also been wonderinf about what differentiate the omen from misbegotten, and i do wonder if it's that omen can be born from anyone while misbegottens are born of other misbegottens. It's strange that only mohg and morgot have other aspects of the crucible while all other omen have just horns, i do wonder if the horns aren't more "sacred" because they are closer to more primordial plant like aspect of the crucible (crackpot i know, but i keep thinking of elden john roots and ancient dynasty tree planting) After all the ancestral follower stuff really conflates horns with branches and flowers buding

[@TheRealTetro]

@@Kosmos_er I feel like Omen might be naturally born this way yeah, and Misbegotten I feel like might have come about from people who were sad they didn't have cool horns so they tried to get them by coming in contact with the Crucible, like forcing fate. And now they could be fucked on a genetic level, but since they're not "really" blessed by the Crucible like Omen, they're not treated exactly the same way. MAYBE.

[@juans.2111]

@@Kosmos_er Yes, I think the horns are considered most sacred because they physically mirror the branches of a tree, along with the roots of a tree and the holy lightning that are depicted in the ancient version of the elden ring

[@VAL420]

Ive always had the impression that omens are able to breed naturally - or more naturally - than a majority of those in the lands between. The horns, like roots, seem to absorb souls and be able to reproduce them which goes against the "blessed" rebirth the Erdtree offers, same as those that Live in Death not returning to the Erdtree. The Dungeater, with this spirit but not the physical body, is obsessed with this reproduction.

[@didrickkazowski2340]

Brilliant. Simply brilliant. Love your content, thank-you

[@joshk494]

Great work! I have a question you might be able to answer. For pretty much the whole time the game's been out, the presence of seedbed curses in Elphael has been a curiosity to me. I seriously doubt Dungeater has been there, but the corpses we find them on are just like the others throughout the lands between that seem to be his victims. There are no Omen anywhere near the Haligtree, and though we can assume Mohg has been there at least to steal Miquella away we don't really associate seedbed curses with him. What do you think they're doing there, and who is responsible? It's been driving me crazy for 2 years!

[@Kosmos_er]

I can't recall any omen in haligtree at all, and the seddbed curse seem to be a signature of the dung eat, so i guess he just made his way there. Might be a boring answer but it's the onlt one that spring to mind for me.

[@joshk494]

@Kosmos_er the simplest answer is probably right, and it's true he travels around via invasion rather than physically, so perhaps he found a loophole there. Maybe if you're correct about the Omen "curse" being more about defilement than the Omen themselves, he could have been attracted there by those individuals via some aspect they possessed, or by the rot and poison elements building in the vicinity? Thank you for responding :)

[@jacobbenjamin2664]

I always imagined that him being rejected by the golden order basically gave him a free pass to the Haligtree. I personally think the Haligtree Seedbed Curse is, chronologically, the first one Dung Eater made. He was subsequently exiled/ ran away from the Haligtree to continue with his dung eating.

[@rydermccall3590]

I finally found a statue of Queen Marika in the shadow realm with a head, and her head had horns. After learning all we did about Omen in Elden Ring this legit blew my mind.

[@DizzyGorgon]

If you play the dlc, then you will understand the reason why marika kills the omen...shes very much triggered

[@porkjuices8365]

Dung Eater is only really awful to The Lands Between because he ensures no soul he defiles reaches the Erdtree. That is literally the only reason. Nobody cares he kills and defiles corpses. They only care about the Erdtree not receiving the soul. That is what they find so Loathsome. And one thing you all should understand is that Marika herself gave back the Guidance of Grace and she also gave it to this dude. She does not care what types of changes are brought about by a new Elden Lord.

[@sebasminault5576]

He actually did it! Praise!

[@wanderingbufoon]

Dung Eater is just a player RPing a cursed character. Much like if we made a frenzied build only character

[@IngeniousNinja]

Interestingly, on the physical affecting the spirtual - FROM make another big point about this with the "blackened souls" of Messmer's soldiers after crusading and genociding the Hornsent for so long, in perpetuity. Obviously, with the DLC, we know more about Omens and horned humans, and the Hornsent Grandam literally claims to curse Marika... but I think a combination of what you present here and the spirits of the vengeful Hornsent haunting cursed Omens is likely. Especially as we know the Hornsent ALSO had "omen" children, those born with too many horns.

[@TheFeralFerret]

I love the pairing of DOS2 music with Elden Ring. Great video!

[@melomet3789]

I find it interesting that the wraiths have that golden-black color. Almost like a refinement/mixture of golden order energy and deathblight energy

[@Greaseball01]

I've been assuming it's kind of like the undead curse - it's a curse, but put in place by the ruling powers to keep a certain selection of the population in line.

[@Nesto_]

Pretty much spot on

[@nemesisundead83]

Hmmmm I don't know, I don't believe the omen curse has anything to with blood, only reason I say that, and I do mean the only reason I believe, when we defeat Morgot in the capital, look at his body while he's saying no one can enter the Erdtree, he literally has no horns, I'm sure we didn't drain him of his blood to remove the omen blood, it's something "more powerful" as to why they are in the lands between still, something outer godly is going on in reality

[@Nemo12417]

I suspect in Morgott's case, he was being granted Grace as reward for his defense of the Erdtree. His body dissolves into golden particles when Godfrey cradles him, and they form the Guidance of Grace directing Godfrey to fight you.

[@FlyingNova223]

This is like the second time I’ve seen a “this thing is a lie” video theory title

[@cerb1221]

you were right! good call.

[@KaedNinescarred]

Beautifully explained! I absolutely agree. Thank you for making this 🙌🏻 earned a subscribe for sure

[@DANI-jj1mb]

And now thanks to the DLC we know that the reason Marika hated the Omen was because she was from the Shaman village before the Erdtree became Golden and the Hornsent would torture her people for their twisted believes. Later on to be conquered their civilization destroyed their tree stolen and their horns becoming seen as heretic. I love fromsoftware.

[@matlegend165]

while i personally disagree with the theory you did a great job on the video and this was really well thought out

[@Parhelion2]

I get that they are an oppressed group but like objectively having those horns is a detriment. I mean mohg is missing an eye because he has a horn growing into it. He will eventually die if it grows more. I don’t like that the only options are cutting the horns off or just not dealing with it at all

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

It’s possible the Mogh’s eye stabbing was a result of the Formless Mother’s influence. She does seem to have a weird sadomasochism thing going.

[@edward.constantine]

Welp, this video turned out to be pretty much 100% correct. At least about the ancient civilization built around the aspects of the Crucible.

[@Vasily-D]

A really good video with a lot of valid points. The only thing I can't understand is why cursed souls are reborn as Omen? Omen are born because of ties to crucible, but here they are born because of curse. How does that make sense?

[@Kosmos_er]

well we actually don't really know if cursed souls will be reborn as omen necessarely

[@Mattin_Satteo]

Me reading the title: :0

[@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290]

Interesting approach, but the dlc added more context (which of course you couldn't have known). The Omen are indeed a curse. The Hornsent too had these cursed people in their society and they too removed the Omens horns as treatment for the nightmares... to mixed results.

[@itzjustboris7395]

Never seen someone use music from Journey for the background of a video that’s cool

[@Part-TimePanda]

Wow, this is remarkably spot-on.

[@QuernsTV]

The description of the Bloodrose in 1.10 says "...that bloom in blood-soaked soil." Where is the "festering blood" description from? Is that a previous patch or a Japanese version translation?

[@Kosmos_er]

That will teach me to use the wiki for the descriptions "Blood-slick roses that bloom in festering blood." If it's not in current patch then sorry about that. I would guess CNT or 1.0 I'll check the JP when I have a moment

[@FloppeyPyro]

Pretty spot on

[@HeyMaruniko]

aged like wine

[@KurtacusRex]

Not after I'm done with the extra spicy mending rune...

[@vardamir0397]

Inquisitor Jori would be abhorred by the idea that the crucible is unholy...as his order has contained the one and truest lord of the frenzied flame which came to take over from their order...

[@saint_meme]

Great stuff as always

[@phantomleaves]

Really cool video. Just so I am clear, you are saying that the curse itself are the wraiths that haunt their nightmares, which some can manifest as the brown/yellow wraith flame?

[@Kosmos_er]

Yes but to be specific, the wraiths are attracted by the cursed blood rather

[@Visigoth_]

*Debudding* doesn't "kill" when done... I don't know why they added that to the lore. 🙄😒

[@dahallwayhumpergaming8577]

Sounds like some an omen would say

[@michaelrizzo7342]

I not sure the twins are even omen. Marika grew up geographically next door to the hornsent, so what if the twins are hornsent by descent and not curse.

[@telerobotic]

Oooh, ooh. I had come to a similar conclusion but I didn't know what to do about or how to explain the dung eaters actions. Very excited for this video to drop.

[@zacsadler5887]

Reject modernity, embrace the crucible.

[@tapewormtimothy]

Great lore vid

[@thelastinvoker6311]

what is the song you use at the very end of the video?

[@Junebug879]

Awesome video

[@humanratteler9760]

By this logic shouldn’t we, a murderer of an insane amount of people and visitor of places as disgusting as the lake of rot, also be cursed

[@Crylyte]

Can you name the music used around the 02:00-04:00 mark? I swear I've heard it somewhere

[@Kosmos_er]

Ori, midnight burrow

[@Crylyte]

@@Kosmos_er Thank you!

[@mercenariosmechaghost9579]

So the dung eater was the good guy? Trying to rip apart the influence of the greater will from the people ?

[@GorbWasHere]

There is no toothfairy There is no easter bunny And there is no omen curse!

[@cloter2079]

ça fait beaucoup de présomptions l'ami

[@neilpatel8769]

Been saying this!

[@nickcostley9282]

you nailed it

[@wadebeadle5850]

Holds up!

[@wurstbrotchen2135]

2 days!

[@glowindark64]

More marika slander

[@JusticeforLiberty]

I knew the Dung Eater was a good guy all along.

[@kimlee6643]

_kegare intensifies_

[@ethanrumley746]

do Nodo exist Illusion

[@KirkWilliamsIsBroken]

Shame you can't play as an Omen...or a Tarnished who is affected by the Omen Curse.

[@Lemon30154]

i mean theres an omen transformation on the dlc but its pretty mid tbh

[@KirkWilliamsIsBroken]

@@Lemon30154 Oh...well that's a shame.

[@frank4491]

whahahaha right on the money!

[@LaRoue_DeLaChance]

I hope this is not linked to the DLC

[@Ghorda9]

the dlc has a lot of both omen and crucible stuff in it, the trailer even hinted at mesmer's war against them

[@Kosmos_er]

it doesnt have any dlc footage or spoiler if that's what you mean

[@LaRoue_DeLaChance]

@@Kosmos_er yeah thats what I meant, thanks

[@Andy-rf5jx]

17k views and 1000 likes 😢

[@mudshrooze]

Well done. I love this theory and I'm taking it as canon

[@turboyabo864]

"the omen curse is a lie" no sht

[@dumbname1961]

as a tarnished i too revile them and make sure they die in those sewers like the filth they are, for the amount of runes i lost trying to do a run back xD

[@puzzleheaded6195]

Still no Godwyn….I’m unsubscribing for 3 days.

[@Kosmos_er]

nooooo

[@ampersandyyy]

@@Kosmos_erit’s all good, I’m subbing but only for 3 days

[@puzzleheaded6195]

@@Kosmos_er Okay. Maybe just one day.

[@chancestrawn3838]

Baby made

[@lonelyrock4795]

Bro hit the nail on the head