The one song Meshuggah NEVER play live (Marrow)

[@Obliaxe]

My utter confusion has turned into further utter confusion *proceeds to headbang to the strong beat*

[@dillondavis9631]

Couldn't be more relatable.

[@YogevGabay]

Just think what I went through

[@dillondavis9631]

@YogevGabay I can't. My brain would be beyond fried. You breaking down Meshuggah songs is a great feat on its own.

[@TangoTangoOscarSierra]

​@YogevGabay thank you for your service 😂

[@educostanzo]

That's all we all can do 😂

[@draqza]

"Yes it has been a long time, no we're not gonna talk about it." All good, just glad to see you back!

[@YogevGabay]

Thanks so much !!!

[@jordantulak6252]

IKR I just found this channel and am thankful for the timing!

[@gongboy83]

It's my first time here so I'm just imagining something horrifying occurred until I get new information.

[@Kiham80]

​@@gongboy83More horryfying than breaking down Meshuggah songs!?

[@wojecire]

OMG OMG OMG it's happening, we're getting the Marrow breakdown!!!!!

[@YogevGabay]

HELL YEH !

[@ChaosPootato]

It sounds like a really bad thing outside of Meshuggah music

[@OfficiallyMaidenless]

@@ChaosPootato Marrow Breakdown affected my entire family

[@levih.2158]

Inside Thomas' head when he's playing: "Alright post guitar solo let's go x, circle, x, cricle, circle, x, circle,x,x..."

[@Trukkerkeps]

The confusion is the main reason I listen to Meshuggah. Since I can't remember the beats or get the hang of it, I just relax and let the groove wash over me.

[@morganneher8643]

That’s exactly perfect, you can’t always guess what’s next and so you give up and just go with it 🔥 It forces you to just let go and ride the wave 🤘

[@NoahWolfe]

"I'll just throw in some numbers because I know you missed them." Yes, sir. We did!

[@FranIuvara]

Only thing I know about Marrow is every time I listen to it, it feels like I'm right under a meteorite rain, where the sliding note is the meteor falling, and the low note is the meteor crashing on the ground.

[@Walexo45]

Marrow is absolutely underrated. In fact, Koloss is absolutely underrated, along with Catch Thirty-Three.

[@deceiver444]

Also Koloss has one of the most beautiful closing track in the history of ever as far as my insignificant person is concerned

[@ryanpetriello3461]

Catch Thirty-Three is by far my favorite Meshuggah album

[@Ion99]

Catch Thirtythree is not underrated. Everybody sings its well-deserved praises. Their best album

[@Walexo45]

@@Ion99 I rarely saw much praise for Catch Thirty-Three online compared to Nothing or ObZen. I've discovered way later their song In Death / Is Life / Is Death and it slowly became one of my favorites from them.

[@Ion99]

@@Walexo45 Really? I'm always seeing people echo that it's their best album. Guess we're just on different ends of the cyberspace

[@cHr22o7]

The conclusion on why they never played it live blew my mind, lol

[@usaflagraybans]

It’s a pretty good reason, but also not. Modern metal is filled with all sorts of pitch shifting stuff. Buster Odeholm is a great example with any of his projects. Also, the song is very difficult.

[@CCDaDon15]

I’d like to see a similar video for why they don’t play “I”

[@YogevGabay]

I wonder if that's really the case !

[@YogevGabay]

@@CCDaDon15 Not sure if this is what you meant, but: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5-4k2aopLOWmtE

[@JP_Hatecrew]

@@usaflagraybansOrbit culture is using Pitch shifts aswell and I never noticed anything. It probably depends on the gear they use. But I need to be honest that I don't know how good programmed pitch shifts work with weird timings.

[@spkbri]

The only "structures" I can see in the POST GTR Solo Riff #2 are: 1) XOXO OXOX (symmetry) + XOOXX (twice) and then OXO (twice, also symmetry) + XXXOOX XOOXXX (symmetry) and, which I think has more mathematical/geometrical sense: 2) X + OXO OXO (symmetry and repetition) + XX OO XXX OO XX (symmetry, internal structure: 2+2+3+2+2) and then OXO OXO (again) + XXX OO XX OO XXX (similar to end of the first line but 3+2+2+2+3, exchanging the X amounts (2 becomes 3 and 3 becomes 2))

[@thismightbeconnor6493]

Least complicated prog metal rhythm explanation:

[@melechgadol]

Yogev going through every combination of 4 and 3 for 16 minutes. great vid my guy

[@YogevGabay]

מלך !

[@Crcmvnt]

Honey… wake the children it’s Mayshuggah! Missed greatly.

[@solidground2024]

With clockworks it is 2’s and 3’s for Marrow it is 3’s and 4’s. The rhythmic creativity of this band is unreal

[@MittensOnly]

I've heard there's a dissertation explaining that many Meshuggah riffs "start" in the "middle" I'm afraid I don't have an example handy but I imagine these riffs fall under that umbrella

[@loganamaral]

Yes it’s true. Lethargica has some.

[@tinnitussoundtherapy]

Probably Caulder Hannon. His channel Metal Music Theory does some very indepth dissections of meshuggah

[@WhiteRussianDolls]

Entrapment and In death is Death had a lot of those riffs 🙌

[@YogevGabay]

I heard that before, but it's too far out of an idea for me to even entertain. I mean, if something starts in the middle, how would you even know where the "beginning" of the riff is besides taking you best musical guess? you know what I mean?

[@ObeseChess]

@@tinnitussoundtherapyhe’s done dissertations on this kind of thing but the “riff starting in the middle” thing is not his afaik, though his Car Bomb dissertation is absolutely worth reading

[@Meshuggapeth]

I have no factual idea what beat I’m on when I’m in the middle of one of meshuggah’s prolonged hypermeasures. However, I have a perfect sense of when the one is coming up. You really can’t miss the one. Meshuggah is a hell of a drug. Thanks for the enlightening video!

[@morganneher8643]

Marrow is a Meshuggah Sudoku!!!! You are the best, I need these analysis so badly 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@winterunterseher8937]

They've also never played The Demons Name is Surveillance for obvious reasons. Such a relentless track. I'd love to hear Behind the Sun. I'd also love to hear an anaylsis of Nostrum someday too 🤘

[@ChrisSteingen]

As you asked for feedback: The way you explain those riffs with smaller chunks of 2,3,4 and 5s makes total sense to me :) I think the visualization is spot on. Love it 😍

[@brentos5001]

Meshuggah counting works for me

[@YogevGabay]

Epic ! Happy to hear !

[@szakul001]

So glad you are back. And right in time for MAYshuggah!

[@DustinWHiser]

"Nice, now that was pretty easy...." *narrows-eyes*

[@barnabasmihaly8961]

Good to see you again Yogev! I missed these videos! ❤

[@milanimilani]

He was preparing a set of analysis of Kōenji Hyakkei that will soon be released. Well, at least this is my dream...

[@ThatBeTheQuestion]

Oh, I'm so glad Mayshuggay is back. I didn't realize how much I missed this.

[@jacobhayes1305]

Some of my favorite content on youtube. Keep doing your thing!

[@YogevGabay]

Thanks !!

[@laurisiltanen8348]

I don’t even understand anything that’s going on but I’m hooked on the Meshuggah videos

[@smileyman8866]

MAYSHUGGAH 2024 WELCOME BACK!!

[@YogevGabay]

THANKS !!

[@samuliroenkkoe]

Welcome back! I've sorely missed your videos.

[@ajibonnn]

One thing is certain about Meshuggah : the more you know, the more you don't

[@АртемПимкин-в3и]

We absolutely need some Vildhjarta! Welcome back :)

[@iseeu-fp9po]

I'm so happy you're back to help uncover the mysteries that are Meshuggah's rhythms for us.

[@MCRedstoneFR]

Glad to have you back ! For the guitar solo #1 part at 9:22 the pattern you noted 4343' 3'4'34 3'4'43 43'4'43 with ' being the accents. I tried to rewrite it and thought I would share this other logic I found. 4 3 4 3' 3' 4' 3 4 3' 4' 4 3 -> this phrase is the one above but 3 and 4s are swapped. Also it sounds like after those 3 accents in the first phrase, this is a new phrase. 4 3' 4' 4 3 -> this phrase just repeats what's above from the 2nd group and the accents are at the same places. I don't know if I'm seeing patterns where there aren't though :') Thank you for the video !

[@wub5753]

So glad to have you back! Much love ❤

[@tobiasschmuecking4958]

HOOOOOORAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! YAGEV you are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I missed you and your extraordinary interstellar content!

[@YogevGabay]

YYYYYEEEEESSSSSSS

[@OmiP42]

Ah man that 4 song stretch from Marrow to Demiurge on Koloss is just epic

[@maple.everything]

I'm glad you're back, man. I haven't understood Meshuggah for about a year and now suddenly I can!

[@metalmusictheory5401]

Really sick work, welcome back! I never realized how much this song does the classic thing of being almost a pattern but not quite, just enough to drive a person crazy.

[@moranrr1]

Awesome breakdown! So good to have you back with us just in time for the best month of the year - Mayshuggah.

[@mathprodigy]

You know the Meshuggah subReddit goes wild every time you do a video. Your work is amazing, God bless you brother, a service to the community!

[@IBHID]

So glad to see you back! One of the best creators on KZbin.

[@quilan1]

Heck yeah, glad to have you back! I'd been periodically checking every few months to see if a new video notice slipped through the cracks, so imagine my joy when this came up.

[@Hail_Hydreigon]

I remember the vid that went around back in the day of someone who put Marrow over a KPop group practicing a dance routine. Good times.

[@LaurentLRHGuitars]

My brain is not letting me sleep, so I figured I would dump some rough ideas I had swirling around in there: riff #2 The left side of the structure is aborted with the 3 after 12 bars. I kinda want to treat the remaining 4 bars of 4/4 like a conclusive filler (the way the guitars play the 3434 part is also a bit different than the two previous iterations, so maybe the intention differs a bit too) Hereinafter, instead of "3" and "4" I notated groups of 3/16 notes as "o", groups of 2/16 as "u" and the 1/16 gaps as "|" and I grouped the phrases by groups of 16 beats gtr solo 1 ó|oo|ouúuúoo|o ó|oo|ouúuúoo|o ó|o|oo|óóó|oo| óó|o|oo|óó|o|o the first two phrases (the palindrome), has accents on beats 1 of the first bar and then 1 and 3 of the third bar kinda spelling out the 4/4 post gtr solo 1 o|oo|ooo|oo|o| ooo|o|o|ooo|o| o|oo|ooo|oo|o| ooo|o|o|ooo|o| One could maybe further bastardize the notation to look like this: 1|2|3|2|1| 3|1|1|3|1| 1|2|3|2|1| 3|1|1|3|1| gtr solo 2 o|oo|ooo|oo|o| ooo|o|o|ooo|o| oo|ooo|oo|o|o| ooo|o|ooo|o|o| post gtr solo 2 o|oo|ooo|oo|o| ooo|o|o|ooo|o| oo|ooo|oo|o|o| ooo|o|ooo|o|o| 1|2|3|2|1| 3|1|1|3|1| 2|3|2|1|1| 3|1|3|1|1| I think gtr solo2 and post gtr solo 2 smell very similar Outro ó|óó|oo|óó|o|o ó|óó|o|óó|ooo| óó|oo|ó|óó|oo| ó|óó|oo|óó|oo| 1|2|2|2|1|1 1|2|1|2|3| 2|2|1|2|2| 1|2|2|2|2| There seem to be some parts that repeat between cycles 1 2 and 4 in this representation. I don't know If any of this made any sense, but I will sleep on it and will see if things still make more sense tomorrow

[@НиколайПодковко-ь5ж]

Только посмотрите, кто вернулся! Just look who's back!

[@SeanTBarrett]

Maybe it's just coincidence, but the verse "5 5 5 3 5", the shortened 3 causes the next 5 to start on beat 1 of the last group of 4 measures of 4/4. In gtr solo #1 section, all three lines are palindromes, but the way you grouped "3443 43443" obscured that. The second phrase of gtr solo #1 might be the palindrome "4 4 3 3 4 4 3 3 4 4" plus a final 4 to finish out the 4/4. However I suspect there's something going on mirror-wise with the melody which might apply to first phrase and not second phrase, so maybe not. I'd have to write out the pitches to make sense of it. The x-o section can be broken down into palindromes several ways, but I dunno, again maybe coincidence. The first line could be: x o x o - o x o x x o o x - x - x o o x x or x o x o - o x o x x o o x - x - x o o x x The second line is just: o x o - o x o x x x - o o - x x - o o - x x x Oh, if we just look at the last palindrome phrase of both lines, it's: x x - o o - x x x - o o - x x (1st line) x x x - o o - x x - o o - x x x (2nd line) i.e. they're the same but swapping the "x x" and "x x x", which is unlikely to be a coincidence. In fact, the second phrase of guitar solo 1 is basically the same pattern. So my final analysis to show as much in common between both would be: your 1st line: x o x o - o x o x x - o o - x x x - o o - x x your 2nd line: o x o - o x o x x x - o o - x x - o o - x x x and that's definitely not a coincidence. Given all the other palindromes, and the stranded "x" at the beginning of the post-gtr-solo, I'd say your idea for the final section to split the 4 into "1+3" is appropriate. Grouping each 4+3 as a "y" (and then y is 3+4 in the second half), I believe it's yyy 4 yy 4 yy 3 1 3 yy 4 yy 4 yyy y

[@lyoug]

Reeeally good insights! Looking for even more palindromes might be a nice lead to follow

[@drumkidstu]

Good stuff man!

[@pseudonymeantipersonnelle2190]

Erf, you beat me by 2 hours 😅

[@YogevGabay]

OHHHHHHH YYEEESSSS wow ! I completely missed these options! You sir, need to make a new and better MARROW video ! The options are endless, all I have are guesses.

[@mariohelbig9877]

Glad you are back. So insightful and funny at the same time.

[@RemyLuciani]

Sometimes it feels the lyrics are the actual rhythmical grid.

[@sramredd9856]

OMG, I've been waiting for a video from you for a LONG time. Welcome back. Hope all is well.

[@GillamtheGreatest]

the smooth top numbers man returns to sooth us with numbers man

[@jacobbharrat7115]

Glad to see your back!! Missed the breakdowns man, Fr

[@galielkarmi995]

המלך חזר🥁🥁🥁🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@mynickwaspirated]

Good to see you Yogev, nice breakdown as always.

[@mosthatedminnesotan]

YOGEV! YOU HAVE DELIVERED AGAIN MY FRIEND!

[@Esko354]

The explanation you gave about the numbers representing the duration of the groups that divide the riff is in perfect alliance with the intuition I gained from watching your videos, which helped me unlock the extra brain cells needed to actually count the songs by myself. Since you hadn't explained it in plain words before this video, I was thinking about commenting on the way the numbers represent duration ( independently of how that duration is expressed via stops or dotted notes or whatever ), but I thought it would sound confusing. After gaining this intuition, all I usually do is create small groups of 2/3/4/5 16th notes and slowly correct my way to the completion of the riff. Needless to say, you showed me a new way of listening to music and helped me appreciate even more the genius of Meshuggah! You are a great content creator with great intuition that can be transfered to others, which is a rare thing to do. Cheers mate! Wish you the best and I hope that the thing you don't want to talk about evolves to the best possible scenario.

[@amelialiu-flowers3340]

Glad to see you back!

[@Rockeiro70]

Welcome back Yogev ! It is sooo good to hear that (Your) voice again. 🤘🏼

[@theparadoxwithin232]

Amazing video as always Yogev! I find really easy to understand the number (beat) blocks that you use for visual representation. It really helps following along and just shows how creative Meshuggah are when it comes to wrritting riffs. Really enjoyed this video, thank you so much for your effort! Also shoutout to mr. Riccardo on the guitar. Learning this must've taken quite some time

[@YogevGabay]

Oh that's great to hear, I'n happy ! And yes, Riccardo KILLED it, he's the man !

[@facepalmjesus1608]

yeah i noticed the reason i was struggling to play the song on guitar because of the tuning thing. i was totally confused...now you ve solved the mystery! ty!

[@mattwhite399]

Great video! At first I thought it was just too hard and random, but then I remembered the intro to In Death Is Life and, even worse, the middle third of In Death Is Death. Both are staples of their live set list! I can’t believe they wouldn’t play Marrow live because of detuning. That’s a common effect (these days), just not for Meshuggah songs. Why? Why won’t they play the song?!?

[@dompetro]

This has always been a favorite of mine since its release. Used to listen on repeat until I got it down, that drum solo in the middle was fun 😅. Great to have you back Yogev!!!!

[@glebanful]

So glad to hear from Yogev after a long pause! Welcome back! 🎉

[@CascadianExotics]

Not all heroes wear capes!! Great to have you back, my friend!!!

[@wassholm]

Welcome back! Great video, as always!

[@spagetti001]

this song is special to me because of that one video of it played over a korean girl dance groups performance, and it fit disturbingly well.

[@harku123]

Wait please link this lol

[@spaggio]

So glad you're back

[@KoRNeRd]

I feel the marrow intro as a bulgarian rachenitza (7/8) with the occasional fill at the end of the cycle to close to the 4/4 drums. That's how you dance on it anyway :), the one two threee, one two threee, one two threeee. The drumming and guitar accents are very similar to that style (rachenitza)

[@PenguinMan-dr3iu]

Been waiting since Halloween of 2022 for this

[@YogevGabay]

Well, I'm happy you stuck around !

[@wimmeltje]

Love the collab too, awesome content

[@aarong6953]

So glad to have you posting again! Have missed this channel and it's amazing way of helping me understand what I assumed was sheer sorcery and enjoying the songs even more.

[@Fliegenpilzkonsument]

Nice tease of Future Breed Machine there :D It's awesome to have you back, Yogev! Looking forward to the next one.

[@nicktalope]

Glad you're back :) always interested in those meshuggah analysis!

[@VinceViglione]

Phenomenal video of a great track! Thank you Yogev!

[@jakegigliotti6230]

So happy you’re back! Your channel is one of my all time favorites!

[@wimmeltje]

This content is amazing. Thx so much 🫶🏻

[@CheddarGetter]

praise be! May comes again!

[@Tachikoma39]

so good to see bart and nolly supporting you on patreon respect

[@divinasi0n]

And even ur mom.

[@YogevGabay]

Bro imagine how I felt when I saw it. I was floored!

[@Stoufferthecat]

YOGEV! You're back you beautiful, beautiful man. We've missed you. Hope you're doing well.

[@neerajjoshi460]

Sooo glad to see you back yogev! All the best!

[@risaadthemerchant5142]

I’m so confused, I discovered your channel yesterday and was sad that you didn’t upload in a year, but less than a day later you dropped this banger of a video. Congrats!

[@sharonrenold]

🙌🏼🔥🙌🏼 the most anticipated return of the century!!! 🥁🥁🥁

[@michaeldebecker1472]

So glad to see you back with Mayshuggah! The waiting was worse it 😉👍🤘

[@wren4077]

YOU CAME BACK. missed you

[@DannyJ_bass]

This song has been on my "to do cover list" for a very long time. Might be forced to approach it now 😊 great video!

[@andresbautista8725]

Thanks for your videos bro, I'm glad you're back, you're amazing

[@melkermillton5030]

Lovely to see you back again Yogev!

[@herbie6721]

Great to see you back! All your explanations made perfect sense ty

[@smaz9]

YES! I've missed you and this series!

[@flanger001]

When the world needed him, he returned!

[@daboo444]

I was very suprised seeing you in my feed today. Glad you are back!

[@Mokidekey]

Hands down the best Music explanations on youtube. Cant wait for more Car Bomb.

[@gregduveau]

I have started to listen to Meshuggah without counting anymore, and I see a lot of benefits !!!! But thaaaaank you for these explanations which are always good to know. Saw them in Bilbao, March 2024. Legends.

[@barneyrubin6250]

Welcome back Achi!

[@dmytrotsvyntarnyi799]

11:59 this one's actually perfectly symmetrical if you count the last 4-s as [ 4+(2+2)+4 ]. So, the last 4 not just ends the first appearance of the riff, but also begins the second one. 2+2 tied between the "measures"

[@Dark_Aves]

I've missed your channel. Welcome back homie

[@javiermunozcruces5325]

This is all I needed thanks Yogev Saludos desde Chile!

[@marianthiemakropoulou3877]

Great analysis, the numbers make it so much easier to navigate this song, thank you so much! This is probably too much nerding but here we go: when trying to find a pattern, it helps following the accents. Meshuggah are known for cutting their patterns short at their beginning and/or ending, and consequently adding/skipping beats in a -sometimes- random manner. Additionally, there are often main "melodic" aspects in a riff, followed/surrounded by "filler"-like beats or patterns, that work like rests (Meshuggah rarely have those, they tend to have lower ostinato notes instead). With that in mind here is how I analysed the last riff: Main (accented) pattern+ 7 (with one exception where the 2nd line misses a 3 which is supplemented in the next repetition) 4 3 4 + 3 4 3 4 + 4 3 4 3 4 + 4 3 4 + 3 3 4 3 4 + 3 4 4 3 4 + 3 4 4 3 4 + 3 4 3 4 + 3 4 There is sort of a mirror if you look the "filler" beats on the first 4 lines (3443,4334) but maaaybe we are (I am) reading too much into this. The solo 1 can be analysed in a similar way: main (accented) + 10 4 + 3 4 3 2 4 2 + 3 4 3 4 + 3 4 3 2 4 2 + 3 4 3 4 + 4 3 4 (exception- the last accented 4 of the mirror) main (accented)+ 7 3 3 4 + 3 4 3 4 4 + 3 4 3 4 + 4 3 Hope this is doesn't bring further confusion haha!

[@BoaeCH]

The mad lad is back ! Thank you for your work sir ❤ The conclusion was quite unexpected 😅

[@YogevGabay]

100 % agree !

[@ayandey137]

Dude where were you?! Yeah okay don't talk about it. Missed your videos especially these meshuggah breakdowns

[@YogevGabay]

hahahahah good talk !

[@coloripple]

super hyped for Mayshuggah! if I remember correctly, it might have been Rob Scallon's Mayshuggah Shovel cover during Maytallica way back that introduced me to this incredible band!

[@Law0fRevenge]

Glad to have you back mate. Hope you're doing well :)

[@twaltmusic]

Amazing breakdown, much appreciate it. This is only my long list of meshuggah songs to learn. Haha "we're not going to talk about it" 😂 glad to see you're back and hope you're well

[@johncarlos2196]

we missed you!!

[@HEAVY_CREAM]

Oh hell yeah, happy to see you back!