The One Time the GARBAGE Tanaka Setup Became Useful in Order to Explain a FG Concept [Daigo]

[@theedwardian]

Daigo to his audience: "What a preposterous set-up! Totally useless! Stop using it." Daigo to himself: *"My god, it's brilliant. I can't let the others know"*

[@Ogema-1]

He went full American Psycho business card scene over it sweating.

[@julioc.3158]

@@Ogema-1 *Looking at the name Tanaka* "It even has a damn water mark..."

[@reavernk]

@@Ogema-1 Let's see Paul Allen's meaty setup

[@RinrinFran]

My man Daigo still can't get over the LEGENDARY setup of Tanaka.

[@EliosMoonElios]

Daigo simply have no use for that noob's tool, he simply use his brain for timing.

[@Trunks_esp__]

@@EliosMoonElios ooooh an proud boomer here

[@CrowBag]

@ZR-_TrunksESP boomer? What on earth does that have to do with anything you weird sod

[@areyougonnafinishthat3069]

@MOBsta Imaging don't worry, I know exactly what you were referencing

[@skysalinas1402]

​@MOBsta Imaging Bruce Springsteen

[@mansmo9513]

わざわざ翻訳していただきありがとう、翻訳者さん☺

[@lordbasketboi9998]

Love from the usa mr mansmo ❤️

[@minuano2ndtrueancestor865]

Bronze Tanaka...a name I havent heard in years. I hope he got to Silver or Gold by now

[@Eddiewarwolf]

only if he stopped using this setup

[@MrStalyn]

There's a Master Ranked Akuma with the name Bronze of Tanaka. It must be a reference to these videos.

[@solstice871]

Daigo is describing a "frame kill" in English terms for those wondering

[@pandabearmadness6263]

He totally made it very easy to understand thanks

[@yamasaer]

Is it same as frame trap?

[@solstice871]

@@yamasaer No, frame trapping is leaving a gap between attacks in pressure where the opponent can press a button, but your sequence hits the opponent before their attack can come out.

[@6JLU]

@@yamasaer I think they are two different things. Daigo explained 2 concepts. When you do an air attack, you have recovery frames on landing vs. when you just jump and don't attack. When you knock enemies down, you can use certain moves when enemies are knocked down so that your next move executes on the correct frame, like maybe a meaty attack that lands its last active frame which might give you a frame advantage. The Tanaka setup uses the air attack to add extra frames of recovery compared to a regular jump so that Kage's crouching hard punch lands at a later active frame making it 0 on block. A frame trap is when you use two separate attacks that leave enough of a gap for the opponent to press something, but not enough for them to actually hit. The purpose of the former concept is to time attacks perfectly, the purpose of a frame trap is to trick the opponent into opening their guard.

[@Rex-golf_player810]

@@6JLU i think thats also called trip guard or something

[@redvelvetcake734]

Jokes on you! Tanaka is now warlord because of that set up

[@Shiratto]

@@jakemuller8626 Just occurred to me that a Jake outfit would’ve been perfect for Ed if they kept doing the resident evil outfits

[@dravendfr]

I always come back to the Tanaka incident “This is Tanaka isn’t it?!” And now Daigo talking about the lead up to, “meaty” is one of the funniest FGC things i’ve ever seen.

[@dylanh.3793]

I hope this next patch makes ex tatsu recover 1 frame quicker so we can get that +1 meaty. 🙏

[@doutsida6715]

What if you don't miss the air attack to lose those 4 frames and time it on 3rd frame instead? Wouldn't that give you the +1 advantage?

[@scuppo]

You got a fireball

[@mawillix2018]

It's actually cr.HP that would have to recover one frame faster. If the ex tatsu recovered one frame faster, then the Tanaka set-up would be killed.

[@MichaelHarto]

My man tanaka still lives on 😂

[@ThirtyfourEC]

There used to be set ups that allows you to pick a side by whiffing an aerial after the forward jump. It worked in past SF games. I don't have a SFV main so I've never labbed set ups.

[@SlykeOne]

Tanaka is a legend troll move from the story of the legend Daigo !!!

[@lambchop58]

Long live bronze tanaka, the living legend

[@EliosMoonElios]

Basically is a delay to make easier to land a meaty without timing effort.

[@TypingHazard]

Sounds like a speedrun trick applied to fighting games

[@EliosMoonElios]

That is exactly what that is, a mere tool to make timing easier.

[@anthonyt4154]

In a way, lots of fighting game mechanics are derived from "speedrun tricks" bugs to features

[@fortidogi8620]

And vice versa.

[@Y20XTongvaLand]

@@anthonyt4154 How?

[@Mandingo_]

This is the same principle in corner grab spam. After u grab u press certain buttons to exactly time your exact frame for another grab as your opponent rise.

[@plannedtuna8293]

Lmao that might be the worst “setup” I’ve ever seen someone actually take time to lab out

[@johannzinnitz8893]

There was a guy named Tanaka in evo japan 2020 pools, i wonder if it's him He didn't do really great as well 😅

[@FireStormBaller]

Did he do his signature set up?

[@optymystyc]

Who was his main?

[@johannzinnitz8893]

@@FireStormBaller he was busy with trying not to get double p'd, so he didn't really have a chance to show any special offense unfortunately ^^

[@MrStalyn]

Tanaka is a very common name in Japan, so probably not him. :(

[@Jaded1221]

Im really interested about Tanaka and Diego Umejuarez. Both were legends as daigo.

[@pepperachu]

It's one of those moves you do at high level because "they would never expect it"

[@plannedtuna8293]

Nah lol, that setup is legitimately useless

[@kevingriffith6011]

The trick with setups where they rely on the opponent not expecting it is that the answer to them can't just be the answer the opponent was already going to do anyway. I can't see a reason *not* to go for "crouch block into delay tech" against a setup like that, it's a pretty universal response to meaty attacks at the distance this tech puts you at. The cross-up version is very telegraphed, too, so it's not like you're going to be catching people with that who aren't asleep at the stick.

[@EliosMoonElios]

Wrong, that is a noob's trick to make timing easier, PROs don't need it.

[@plannedtuna8293]

@@EliosMoonElios Pros use framekills all the time. The problem with this one is that it literally doesn’t accomplish anything XD. There’s no reason to meaty someone with cr HP in the first place, not to mention the setup not even staying on the same side if the opponent quick-rises. Edit: To speak to your point though, while I agree that high level players don’t necessarily “need” framekills, they’re used because they make things easier without necessarily having any drawbacks. Just because you’re setting up a framekill for a meaty doesn’t mean you can’t still just throw or shimmy your opponent

[@kevingriffith6011]

@@plannedtuna8293 What makes this one so bad isn't so much that it's meatying with the C.HP, it's that you're landing EX tatsu (a powerful combo extender) and then opting to ignore all the possible damage (and any potential oki you can get off of that combo... which there are many) to get... just a meaty mid hitting attack that leaves you +0 on block.

[@Y20XTongvaLand]

For anyone interested, this concept is called a framekill. Put yourself into a position where you're locked for a guaranteed number of frames and you have a better indication of when you need to act after you're no longer locked in. From what I know, the best framekills are when you can immediately press a move after the framekill and that gets you exactly what you need. otherwise, it just creates a more narrow window for you to recognize which, I'm sure, makes it easier. I think 15 frames is a lot easier to calculate than 30.

[@freikugel663]

Ffs, its been 2 years! Time flies 😭

[@pro_154]

SHIN TANAKA TECH WAS HYPE

[@pro_154]

he's 100 correct, and i do this in marvel to hit otg's

[@kenjikuroiwa99]

Oh wow it became useful....OH WOW IT'S BEEN 2 YEARS SINCE THE TANAKA SET UP WHAT THE HELL.

[@alexmaganda5827]

we need a reaction from daigo on the upcoming patch

[@f1r3hunt3rz5]

Ah, the legendary set-up of Bronze Tanaka. You never know when his genius could help you.

[@scuppo]

Warlord now

[@nomorepainpls]

Daigo Congratulations winning fav cup 2022

[@nomi-non]

hes actually explained framekills better than most explanations ive seen

[@sonicinnoob]

Holy shit I thought I would never see that again, I damn near died laughing. Legendary

[@emotionje4446]

Watching Daigo hand cams are really satisfying tbh

[@EdwinDPZ]

Tanaka became a legend for that set up

[@AbirZenith]

Omg the legend of Tanaka returns

[@defianthound407]

Do you watch Daigos streams? These should be the loyalty tests. Stomp into demon and Ex Tatsu into whiff jump cr.Hp

[@Avian07]

I wonder whats Daigo's impression on Kage's fireball update. Would it be enough for him to take Kage seriously now 😁

[@tastychlorine-om8jr]

we need to start calling any garbage setup a "Tanaka"

[@MarakamiSG]

Tanaka's legendary set up

[@nikc101]

The Tanaka story is always the best filler story

[@yoaiou]

He says that set-up is useless except he'd been using stomp on block into demon for the longest time

[@UrashimaLuke]

The useless set-up in question is the EX-tatsu and air whiff into meaty

[@Y20XTongvaLand]

"The Tanaka".

[@SnackCannon]

I find this so funny

[@HulksterInHeaven]

save the tanaka setup for nationals

[@xDakem]

Why isn't daigo using anymore the Hitbox?

[@loweroctave1]

Tanaka setup footage is from a couple years ago. Daigo responding to comment was recent.

[@StubenhockerElite]

Tanaka is the most acomplished bronze rank

[@RedRanger1]

Tanaka please!! 😀 hahahaaououhihihi!! ouffffffff.. i decompress now... what a usless Meatyyyy!! 😀😃😆🤣😁🤣🤣🤣

[@Supernir]

I don't play st5 but this is so funny

[@luantw-]

only originals know that this is a reupload

[@1MCElias]

Old video but ok.

[@hongkongman7915]

I saw Daigo is playing piano 🙄🙄

[@pandabearmadness6263]

😂

[@mapukid]

Damn see everyone doing this lately’ & this is coming from a Bronze rank player’ dang 🤣

[@hectichavoc6766]

Plus minus zero lol

[@dzayer-news98]

1st

[@ROTINPIECES]

What is up with this channel reusing old content these days

[@mogullll]

This was an informative explanation on how whiffing attacks can setup meaties even if the whiffed attack is in the air due to landing recovery, I learned something from this :), always wondered why he had to whiff an attack for that setup

[@曉p-p7t]

Recycle is good for Earth

[@pratamawirya3736]

the old content is used to explain new content (the fan's question)... nothing wrong with that

[@MoyosoreOgunbiyi]

For the sake of Context... If you haven't been following the Channel for years a lot of older references may go over the head of some viewers who happen to be recent or newer subscribers. The Kage Bronze Tanaka Setup is a classic video from over 2 years ago, if it wasn't added to this video it would make less sense to Daigo's explanation because he wasn't showing it in Training Mode as opposed to when he did in the older footage. You need to understand that when your xter jumps that there is a frame window where you can press a button and the attack animation will come out regardless at the last possible frame *EXCEPT* for when they are about to touch the ground (frame 1) and slightly crouch upon landing (frame 2). Within those landing 2 frames of animation, your trip guard is inactive even if you hold block and you can be punished if your opponent times their attack frames perfectly (ie Daigo's anti air sweep with Guile). Likewise if you press an attack button within that landing frame recovery window, no startup or active frames will come out until after. The point of the Tanaka Setup is to whiff a jump attack with a Heavy Button to buy yourself more active frames before you land so the recovery animation doesn't kick in upon landing and you can immediately press your advantage with a meaty attack instead of a light attack (which logically has less frames of start-up) tldr - It's a frame kill technique.. 🤷