The Online Left has a Problem

[@calebrapp7289]

I think part of it is that a lot of lefties will make their channels as explicitly political channels. The first layer of right wing content is usually cultural or focused on some domain that isnt necessarily political: cars, guns, sports, video games, etc… If you’re a boy or young man, you’re gonna get peppered with right wing ideas long before you’re engaging with them intentionally. And there’s a road between any number of your special interests to a right wing pipeline. In my personal experience the one thing the left has on the right in this regard is art and music. If you’re young and into art, most of what you engage with is going to pull you towards left wing spaces. It seems silly, but honestly just being seen as “the cool ones” goes a long way. To my young mind punk rock and skating seemed edgier and cooler than the football jocks in my church, and that had major pull in making the whole culture seem kind of cringe. I fear the modern version of that is probably MMA and it has very much the opposite effect.

[@Nemo12417]

As I recall, Destiny, for all his flaws, was one of the first people who kicked off the wave of people escaping the alt right. And he was effective because he was not known at the time as a political commentator.

[@matthewcaldwell8100]

@@Nemo12417 yeah, and he morphed into an online gremlin who manages to combine both ignorance and pedantry.

[@gypsylee333]

The left is definitely not cool anymore, they are the ugly weird looking fat soft crybaby nagging karens who are weak and melt down and then think they are superior

[@gypsylee333]

​​@@Nemo12417you mean the €uck m3th goblin? He's definitely not cool.

[@Asdfqwerty12341]

@@matthewcaldwell8100To be honest if I had to listen to some of the people he debates, I’d probably become a gremlin too. My only problem with him is that he values logic over all things. He has no empathy or emotional intelligence whatsoever. But, I still consider him to be a pretty smart person for the most part.

[@SpoonLady]

Why are there seemingly naked youtubers on the thumbnail? Lol

[@richardarriaga6271]

@@SpoonLady SEO: Bros might learn actual reality

[@BlueDirt_ProAggressive]

Lets not forget the Russian Tenet media bump. Saw a video with Timmy the Pool man, talking about making changes. Ending some shows, simplifying content, firing some of the staff. Now that a few million extra isnt flowing in, we will see what future looks like. Dave Reuben is even worse. $100k per episode that had less than 50Kviews. The Tenet media inflated their reach.

[@MrRoyalbeers]

The problem is not that this happens. The problem is that these people are not in prison. Freedom of speech is not endless and I am saying that as a dane.

[@richardarriaga6271]

@@MrRoyalbeers Too many Merrick Garlands, not enough Lina Khans.

[@LarshHill]

yeah for real this shit was (hundreds of?) millions of dollars worth of Russian oil money disinforming OUR electorate. We should be boots on the ground in Ukraine rn. Informational warfare is still warfare

[@MrJpc1234]

I think that is a red herring for this discussion, because the problems the online left is having (and the success of the right) arent the ones that are solved or changed with money, money could cause a tilt in issues but the problem is the actual argument and message is being beaten out

[@BlueDirt_ProAggressive]

@MrJpc1234 there are several fast growing liberal left media channels growing. Midas, MTC, Pakman, Beasley, Pondering, Destiny are reaching new ppl. The DNC wants to gate keep for the old media and stiff suits. Same old tired "least we not them" platform

[@bob3ironfist]

Hassan doesn't bring enough to the table for the left, considering how much trouble he gets in constantly

[@kx7500]

He’s barely a leftist considering the amount of authoritarianism he likes. Fuck the tankies, don’t include them in any left spaces.

[@Jack-4v]

And the jewish thing

[@jackcharlotte25]

This is why the video essayists shouldn't have won.

[@falconeshield]

When exactly did the internet become: Video Essayist = evolution of vlogger Debater Bro = evolution of the Something Awful vs vids Game streamer = B*tches about pronouns because no friends Cat vids = Cat vids

[@janmalawski4339]

I never understood Essayists vs Debaters war, it was always counterproductive. Debates are good to win people over, essays are great for people to deepen their knowledge.

[@falconeshield]

​@@janmalawski4339They eat each other's views. That's it.

[@janmalawski4339]

@@falconeshield Do they? I watch both for different reason.

[@Asuspiciousbush]

​@@falconeshield I used to consume a lot of debate content. Even back then, I always watch both video essays and debate content back-to-back. It never was about the views. They could've coexisted peacefully, and besides it's not like the two audience groups wasn't already a greatly overlapping venn diagram circle.

[@Rennar3210]

There's a channel called darkmatter2525. He's more of an atheist channel than a politics channel, but he dips his toe into politics every now and then. He has a fantastic skewering of the manosphere bullshit. Oh, also he straight up looks like Kratos from the newer God of War games

[@samg.5165]

Real. If you wanna go up against the manosphere and be taken seriously, being built like a keg of bull shark testosterone definitely helps.

[@anticarnistvegan]

He's also an antisemite

[@sairamsriram]

So basically Kyle kulinski from 10 years ago

[@Fromonian]

He is mentally stuck in his teenage years

[@Fromonian]

​@@sairamsriram Kyle kulinski has serious gaps in his education.

[@tilted_axis9819]

Think a big issue is more conservative content creators make stuff on a much bigger variety of interests & make more stuff that isn’t inherently political. Like Rogan can talk about MMA & politics and his fans will still stick around, meanwhile someone like Hassan looses viewers if he talks about anything other than politics bc he’s made it the core of his online identity & content.

[@amitklain4199]

I mean hasan is just boring whenever he talks about anything else

[@memes3751]

@@amitklain4199yeah that’s why he has 35 thousand people watching him rn😮

[@Kolsev]

@@memes3751 Hasan is boring most of the time and I'm super excited to watch him whine and moan like the nepo-baby pile of shit he is when his consequences catch up to him!

[@sheogorath1374]

The big issue is that you only consider content creators to be leftist if they make their channel explicitly about politics. But you count any right winger with a casual channel. It makes it seem disproportionate when in truth, many casual content creators are leftist and push people in that direction. So it's not as dire as y'all make it seem.

[@amitklain4199]

@@memes3751 he has massive dropoffs between his politics streams and his variety streams

[@angelainamarie9656]

The online right is the establishment.

[@emptyfish8992]

Almost every left wing media source on the internet which is a lot was critical of Biden in a both sides bad way. Spending every moment of the last year focusing on the Biden made x mistake and if you ask me they got paid off a year or two ago.

[@kx7500]

It’s almost like Biden deserves the criticism??

[@emptyfish8992]

@@kx7500 They all do but at some point it was hostile and one sided. Biden is part of the establishment and did some very anti establishment things that were really good for people. I don't see any good coming from Trump in office unless your rich.

[@martincerny3294]

Dylan, I don't think making Hasan Piker louder helps the left lol.

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

He's just about the only big creator left of center, though. Who else is that big and actually left of center? Edit: why are yall making up Hasan not telling people to vote? He never did that. Only Methstiny fans would have that delusional levels of hate to have to make up things to get mad at...

[@feruspriest]

I...think he's saying the ame thing.

[@martinsriber7760]

@@ThompsonFlash9999 That is a bad thing. He is turning new generation into campist morons.

[@martincerny3294]

​@@ThompsonFlash9999 Him being big is the issue. Who in their right mind would support a creator who actively discurages their audience from voting and only talks about revolution and how voting or reforms are utterly useless. Why would you (you as in DNC) ever promote this guy?

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

@martincerny3294 why would the DNC promote the strawman you made up? Idk, whyd you make him up? You're not talking about Hasan, clearly, since Hasan has told people to go vote more than Dylan has.

[@reuvenpolonskiy2544]

Many left wing people who are invited into more centrist podcasts are just not coming

[@MegaAnimeforlife]

There is no such thing as a centrist podcast bro 😂

[@reuvenpolonskiy2544]

@@MegaAnimeforlife I wrote "more centrist" not "centrist"

[@davidpearlman2272]

I agree with you on this issue. I've been learning tech skills (coding, web design, video production) for the past two years and am at the point where I am ready to start contributing towards a solution.

[@dix0n778]

Dylan Burns' one hair stuck in his turtleneck has way more integrity than Hassan's, Tim Pool, or Joe Rogan's whole career combined.

[@falconeshield]

Please stop doing this. Deifying someone you agrees with your views. That's how we got here.

[@dix0n778]

​​@@falconeshield ooooh, I am sorry, I didn't know my 7 likes and zero videos has so much pull on national politics! I should be more like Hassan celebrating terrorist attacks and openly faun over a spokesman for a known enemy, or like Tim Pool to speak word for word the line of foreign government's propaganda, or like Joe Rogan absent mindedly talking out of his ass without doing proper fact check on his findings. Unlike them, Dylan self censors and tells the story as it is. He can critizice Ukraine or the DNC when it is deserved, and it is also why he is a good moderator.

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@falconeshieldI'm not worshipping the guy, but that is definitely true. You think Hasan or Rogan would get shelled by Russian spicy pinwheel lovers?

[@matthewcaldwell8100]

@@falconeshield It's not worship to acknowledge credibility, which all three lack.

[@Rebelnutt]

​@@richardarriaga6271Rogan voted for Bernie?

[@emilchan5379]

The online left, to put it simply, lost the plot. When you spend your time comparing men to wild animals, or arguing that one is a bad person for playing that popular wizard game, you have missed the forest for the trees. As Dylan says, the online left has a relatability problem. And it doesn't help that with the way social media algorithms work, it is easy to be trapped in a bubble and not realise how one sounds like to outsiders looking in.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

The online left wants to win elections while hating the majority of people.

[@someone_stole_my_handle]

I can't believe the country with the biggest military in the world is on a 2 month countdown to full on fascism and the biggest livestreamer in the American left is focusing on his beef with the guy that had a podcast with Trisha Patis.

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

You can't believe it because it's not happening. Hasan isn't focusing on Ethan. He literally found out on stream that Ethan has been posting on Instagram about him for weeks. There is nothing that Hasan has focused on less than Hitla's and Ethan's deranged defense of fascist zionism. But even if he did, when he isn't, how is combating zionism not combating fascism when zionism relies upon fascism to uphold the apartheid?

[@soltier8965]

What’s he supposed to do? We’re f*cked either way.

[@purple_harlequin]

And another one focus his attention on his beef with Hassan.

[@Svalinn-s1j]

​@purple_harlequin yea but to be fair Ethan isn't primarily a political streamer

[@falconeshield]

Well, flag and cross. The day has come.

[@Jagetful]

Joe Rogan IS far-right. You vote for Trump YOU are far-right. End of Story.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

Tfw I'm now a far-right leftist

[@badrhetoric5637]

To be frank, american leftists are not to be taken seriously. Hasan Piker? Chapo? TYT!?!?!? Jokes...

[@kx7500]

“”Leftists””

[@kastiffia9431]

Friendly Jordies and a few other people (yourself included), pulled me out of a massive right wing rabbit hole, I believed Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson and a few others when they claimed they were being persecuted by the MSM back in 2016. That and getting my mental health in check really helped me wake up and smell the bullshit on the bullshit farm (my own bullshit included), Hbomberguy is another great channel that's great at picking apart issues as well as Big Joel. But unfortunately Friendly Jordies does Australian politics (NSW mostly) and Hbomberguy and Big Joel don't technically "do politics" they talk about right wing chuds but that's about it for politics strictly speaking, so yeah a pretty big hole is needed to be filled for the American left wing online spaces. EDIT: America desperately needs a Jonathan Pie/Friendly Jordies.

[@alansmith4655]

The problem is that there is Conservatism and then a whole array of stuff to the left of that.

[@BalthasarGelt-x2d]

There’s a lot of diversity within “conservatism”, and it’s worth noting that the modern right aren’t conservative, they are post-truth populist authoritarians.

[@TheKnizzine]

We need more people like Beau that arent involved in trafficking. Dudes videos helped me get my dad to turn around on the Republicans he spoke to an audience that your Stewarts, Pikers, Pakmans, and Destinys just cant reach even if it is all just affectations and aesthetes.

[@kx7500]

…trafficking??

[@haosmagnaingram6992]

19:01 in what way did this election show the dems are doing too much identity politics, they really didn’t do identity politics at all and Kamala directly avoided running on her identity, she didn’t talk at all about lgbt issues and while Trump’s racism was brought up they didn’t run on identity politics of advocating on behalf of those groups. Not that it’s entirely a bad thing they didn’t, I usually find identity politics to not be very effective, I’m just not seeing how that was a take away with this election. If anything the right went very heavy into identity politics and was rewarded for it.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

Exactly.

[@Anthropomorphic]

The general argument I've been hearing is something like this: The apparent bump in POC support for Trump implies that the Democratic strategy of cobbling together a majority by catering to the specific interests of minority demographic groups isn't working anymore. This is in part because the party doesn't understand what minorities actually want, and in part because it steals airtime away from economic populist issues that appeal to a broader base. Kamala did avoid running on her identity, but she also didn't make any direct statements *against* identity politics, and the party didn't either; and for those who find "identity politics" to either be a frustrating distraction or directly noxious, it's not enough to simply talk around the subject. If a Republican had run in the 2020 GOP primary on a platform that proposed reinstating prayer in schools, and then served as vice president in an administration with pro-Evangelical tendencies, I wouldn't be very reassured by a *lack* of direct references to school prayer during their 2024 campaign.

[@StuartAtkinson4467]

For sure. I imagine this might be a hangover of Dylan still unfortunately taking notes from Destiny's hallucinations or the Kasparian/Brianna Wu enlightened pick me stuff. Harris did great in explicitly NOT doing identity politics. I don't know where the "doing identity politics" came from other than literally being a black woman.

[@Skiritai]

​@@StuartAtkinson4467"White Guys for Harris."

[@dalekrenegade2596]

@@StuartAtkinson4467 Liberals looking for something to blame for their loss other than them pandering to the right.

[@Pazzystar]

to be a leftist progressive one needs education, conscienceness, mental stability. all are scarce in the modern world. we stick to what works, go underground and to real life. bella ciao

[@sharper68]

The market they chase is easier to pick up than the market representing the left. The right leaning mind is looking for simple answers to complex questions. The left leaning auduance is less based on vibes and are more results oriented. It is hard market to appeal to and they are not as politically engaged as the kind of people attracted to the us against them nature of right wing spin.

[@sheogorath1374]

I don't really agree. The left is just as easy to attract with slop content.

[@emilchan5379]

Honestly I disagree - the left is based on vibes just as much as rightwingers are. Whether it be debate haters, wokescolds, Houthi supporters, anti-West "anti-imperalists", the left has its own share of vibes-based thinkers.

[@sharper68]

@emilchan5379 the right tends to be more evengelical and engaged. The component of the left that eats and breaths politics is much smaller than the same group on the right. Tieing politics to religon ensures this.

[@kennythawsh]

Really appreciate your voice Dylan

[@catalan8241]

Thank god Dylan knows exactly what to do. I'm sure he'll implement all the changes he's talking about here and his channel will pop off in no time.

[@marocat4749]

Walz should stream on twitch, true

[@JohnScott-el9gm]

The right podcasts mix up guests one week it be right politics.the next be guest about dmt or ufos or cage fighting etc so podcast doesn't get boring.

[@dukenukem8381]

Because mythical reality is bedrock of fascism.

[@falconeshield]

​@@dukenukem8381People forget we all sh*t, we all sleep, we all die one day. Turning people into mythical monsters keeps them alive forever. Teach what they did as humans, not myths that were taken down. Some might like them. Just look at last week.

[@Christian_Ada1]

No, they don’t all they do is cry every single day about woke ideology I’m not sure what channel you’re watching that matches it up, but I had to subscribe to channels because of it

[@shalizzle793]

I think this is an important point because, as an educator, I’ve noticed young men tend to learn FAR better when you entertain them while they’re learning. I have to be a comedian while teaching them 1 on 1 (if I’m tutoring for example) whereas women just want validation and their concerns addressed. We should probably try to move men away from needing jangly shiny keys to stay interested in something but… yeah, their political positions are highly informed by hahaha guy funny

[@Laplata-r9n]

​@@dukenukem8381based fascism

[@O0kalā]

Maybe I missed it, but did Kamala have any policy messaging directed towards rural voters?

[@matthewcaldwell8100]

Not much explicit messaging, but she did lean on the benefits of the infrastructure bill.

[@Rebelnutt]

She had cardi B twerking on stage.

[@gypsylee333]

"Ya betta thank a union memba I wash collard greens in my bathtub cackle cackle" was about it.

[@marcospisanis739]

Dylan, does this mean you are you going on to Joe Rogan to fight him on?

[@mannsama7084]

I do not completely agree. The right was successful without requiring such specific content creators. I do agree these topics are important.

[@dix0n778]

They pumped money and unabashedly lied their little hearts out to get the local yokel to give Trump the precidency.

[@CenkZappa]

9 of the top 10 political streamers during the election were right wing. Plus they get corporate money. The Dems wanted to keep their messaging centered from cable news. Big mistake...

[@Christian_Ada1]

I don’t agree with you either The right side has always been extremely hypocritical in the sense that they claim to love women but bash women every 10 seconds and always disclose how much they dislike and hated feminism the same way they always talked about how much they hate the LGBTQ community but secretly they’re having sex with the LGBTQ community We also claim to groomers paddling that they love 30 year-old men marrying 14-year-old girls because they’re way more fertile The right side have always came off hypocritical and very disgusting pointing fingers that everyone else has always been due as I say not as I do

[@Christian_Ada1]

The Right was always hypocritical you mean There I fixed it for you “The Right” pushes for an agenda that you have to work extremely hard to get what you want which is basically a nicer way of saying be a slave to your corporation. America was built on slavery and the bigwigs in America never got over the fact that slavery has ended so they’re trying to bring it back real bad Says, but only when it concerns the LGBTQ community, but pushing the agenda of a 30 year old man marry a year-old girl because they are more fertile to have children Capitalism they try to push that’s a great thing, but from capitalism it turns to greed and let’s not forget that money is the route to all evil but they like to say pride is a sin never mentioning greed is a big sin too Yeah the right has always always been hypocritical and of the mind of due as I say not as I do No thank

[@Christian_Ada1]

Nah you are 💯 wrong on your assessment The right has always been hypocritical pointing fingers, and they have the mindset of do as I say not as I do

[@PlanetDeLaTourette]

Right wingers talk a lot. About nothing. But it still fills the air. It's fascinating how vapid and entertained with themselves they are. Around 2010 I made a project of listening in. The whole spectrum. Libertarians, nationalists, christians, conspiracy circles. Right wingers don't ask themselves questions. Not critical towards self or group. That's also why don't shut up. Right wingers are not constrained by reality. That makes talking easier. It opens up the content horizon. Talking over people is a main trait.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

Muh trans rights

[@wizzzer1337]

Speaking og KZbin shorts... why in the hell they have different algorithm than my own videos feed? The shit I see there, even the non political is recycled garbage, reupload from Tiktok, 2013 era cringe, bot scam videos... it's bafflingly low quality.

[@Kolsev]

30:45 This. Your average conservative actually does see you this way. You guys need to change that.

[@EdwardSkihands]

This one Noah dude should just comb his stashes, pack his mullet and sit this one out. 😮ș

[@Leppa10]

Criminally underviewed

[@DJDiskmachine]

Adam Conover is pretty based

[@richardarriaga6271]

Big media killed his show. All left-leaning media is vulnerable to corporate mergers and other policy.

[@gypsylee333]

No he isn't, he totally exposed himself on Rogan.

[@DJDiskmachine]

@@gypsylee333 how so?

[@gypsylee333]

@@DJDiskmachine he was like women just need to invent new sports where they can thrive instead of kicking men out of women's sports 🤣 "maybe if they invent a knitting sport they can get a medal, or synchronized vacuuming"

[@DJDiskmachine]

@@gypsylee333 sounds like a funny joke if delivered with the right timing

[@hausdorffspace]

@DylanBurnsLive, did you delete the comment asking you how you felt about your contribution to the problem?

[@Madway]

I think before anything else the online left needs to decide if the Democratic party is worth supporting (I know, 2 party system yada yada. bla bla), but what I mean is if the Democratic party constantly wants to shift to the right all you're left with is wondering "why am I doing this?" again. Because media wise you can prop up the party as much as you want, but if they're not receptive to it and suddenly make appeals to the right (either because of trying to seem like the "unity" party or to just try to slightly widen their base) then you're back to square one mostly hoping that whatever messaging the right-wing media sphere is pulling out doesn't land. Not saying the online left needs to take control of the Democratic party, but they need to have some connection to them, like some members of congress have spoken to people at Meidastouch, but that was mostly about legal issues, not cultural ones. So basically the online left is working FOR the Democratic party, not WITH the Democratic party. What makes me think of this is that if Trump causes an economic crash, but the Democratic party still loses (possibly through actual rigging of the election) then the Democratic party will very likely "read the room" and shift to the right in their messaging and policies And while it is unlikely they lose since an economic crash would be harder to defend, they'll probably find some way around it.

[@Anthropomorphic]

I *have* heard that the Democrats court the online left much less than the Republicans court the online right. That being said, the online right is also a lot friendlier towards the Republican party. It's very rare for people in the online right to break ranks and choose not to support the Republicans, even among the ancaps and radical authoritarians.

[@Madway]

@Anthropomorphic Can you specify what you mean by court here? The Democratic party seems to have little online presence to me. What I'm talking about is for example Trump re"truth"ing random people spouting conspiracies and going to random right leaning streams rather than just Fox. While that connection is vapid in terms of substance, it's still there in terms of relating to their audience/base Joe Biden on the other hand had none of that and Harris' appearances seemed limited to whatever her handlers verified as "safe" or tested well with some demographic that they couldn't ignore and while it is somewhat similar to Trump it at the very least seems like he's willing to take more risks (like with what happened with Adin Ross) Whereas the biggest risk Harris took was the call me daddy podcast and Twitch streams (which Trump also did) Although maybe it is just a bad idea to connect the party to the base given the double standard at play where speaking with a controversial figure may hurt democrats way more than republicans (since its just another tuesday for them) I do also acknowledge that Harris had a much smaller time window to make a case for people to vote for her while Trump had years of campaigning behind him. It's just that media wise I don't see the Democrats improving that even though they have more time on their hands now, especially since they probably can't agree on who should lead the party now.

[@Madway]

@@Anthropomorphic Sorry for the prev reply (I think it got auto deleted?) Anyways I misread what you said

[@theclimbto1]

Bro, you DO NOT need a Farmer to discuss Right To Repair. Louis Rossman is not an Elitist Asshole. He can talk to Midwest Farmers about Right to Repair with no issues... because he won't yell at them for being White and Uneducated, and he actually cares about Right to Repair. Y'all act like these humans that can communicate with these people don't exist or something. They do. They keep being ran off.

[@MutualZebra0123]

Bernie or bust.. and it went tits up totally

[@sharper68]

Bumper stickers and feels drive the right. Policy drives the left, it is far easier to print bumper stickers than actually solve problems.

[@HarryDirtay]

Weird, cause policy failed to drive some 15 million people to the polls this time around.

[@Subsandsoda]

Doesn't stop the left from making stickers either.

[@Psnrspxb]

Just make policy bumper stickers problem solved

[@sharper68]

@Psnrspxb saddly policy is not as catchy or digestable as slogans focused on pandering to feels.

[@martincerny3294]

I can assure you that Trump will come up with policies this time around.

[@matthewcaldwell8100]

I understand the intention here, but it seems that so much of the outreach to young men is a coded exhortation to talk to us as if we were morons. I'm sorry, but the distinction between Harris and Trump's policies were not hard to grasp. Even if you didn't believe Harris' promises, she wasn't running on a campaign promising to make things worse as an act of retribution.

[@Mommythief0069]

My strategy for dems I'm a Democrat so this isn't Democrat bashing. I was maga, then independent and now I'm just a moderate dem. I really vote Democrat because of union influence and independent parties don't get backed due to scale. 1. One issue is Republicans have an image of what a left winger looks like and acts on or about. 2. When you focus on issues (particularly social issues) that are subjective, maga media can flip it into a subjective by proxy of bad faith. 3. Democrats sound like smug nerds that have a god complex. Ik that's not actually who and what these people are but a whole lot of maga is entirely emotive and they have 0 actual policy or factual understanding. 4. Democrats gotta make new narratives and have standards. Imo, when I personally make content around maga, if you appeal to them emotively while reiterating facts. An example I give is I understand you believe this but it's factually untrue. An example when maga says "the left" or "Democrats" they mean communists and tankies. That's because they get told interchangeablely go "the left", "libs, liberals, etc" or Democrats" while showing communists. Democrats need to start calling this out and not associate with those people. 5. Dems need an attitude era commentator like all of maga is atheistically. I have 0 issues being that guy and have 1.57k subs in less than a year so. We need people who can be political and laugh at farts and be an actual edge lord. 6. The Christian bashing is a problem. Yes i may be a little biased as a Democrat but the right is co-opting it as American jedeau-christian values are under attack. Due to this as well #3 we end up getting lumped in with actual communists. 7. We gotta start laughing at the insanity of the conspiracy rot. The problem is when you get mad at the conspiratarda it's seen as "credible" because wny get mad about BS. If dems start laughing this crap off and when called out say the fact you think Americans deserve bottom feeder conspiracy rot shiws who's really anti American or something. Point being you turn the conspiracy rot into Brainwashing Americans into low standards. Then cite the heritage foundation political views or something to show these people are brainwashed

[@twisted_fo0l]

The right absolutely has massive toes in yts, especially back when andrew tate was exploding

[@DaVinciwithaphaser]

Good video man.

[@pavo1394]

Shoeonhead is a lefty with a huge audience, but she doesn't post often.

[@dalincebompila1980]

There never has been any left wing movement in Africa, so way, the right gas always won.

[@Rebelnutt]

What?

[@kx7500]

Literally false. And for most of human existence which was on Africa, we lived in egalitarian hunter gatherer societies.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

​@@kx7500If you have to go back to pre-history you've already lost the argument.

[@Notsogoodguitarguy]

DNC should promise to work with Wendy's to make a Double Baconator

[@Armeddragon12]

Kyle Kulinski? He seems to be the most down to earth, least problematic leftist. And he already has better liberal and conservative reach thanks for his podcasts with his wife.

[@MegaAnimeforlife]

Yes as more of a center left liberal I love Kyle and destiny is a lil bitch for hating on him so much and I say that as a viewer of destiny Kyle is best because he is viewed as one of the only lefty more anti woke youtubers which makes him more appealing to men not that standing up for trans rights and oppressed communities is bad but I think leftists and libs that hyperfocus on the culture war is kinda off putting to normies

[@animegaming4057]

Actually, I got a good example of what’s wrong with our discussion, and I have no idea how to fix the conversation… Watch the latest Piers Morgan debate. Everyone that talked on that panel was wrong in one way or another. You had a trans that was pro Trump despite citing facts that show that trans rights are being challenged, you have Brian who argues against pointless points that made him look bad, it’s a perfect representation on, we lost the plot. Don’t go in to agree or say that your side is right, listen to everybody. Hear the talking points on all sides, and watch as, to put it lightly, even with the pro Trump people being wrong, they ran circles around those we would agree with.

[@BlindDaughter]

@animegaming4057 The Trans supported Trump because they execute Trans in Gaza. Gays for Palestine highlights the disconnect in the far left...just one of many.

[@Fromonian]

Why is his head a square wtf

[@latinexus]

i thought this was a good segment, you touched on just about everything

[@Icebox4295]

The defending Looting and stealing is this a thing I never really heard about this really the people say looting is justified to be honest?

[@tilted_axis9819]

It’s a thing. I remember a specific instance when people mobbed a food truck after Kai’s NY meet up & Hasan said it wasn’t actually a big deal

[@Icebox4295]

@tilted_axis9819 yeah that sounds pretty stupid. Didn't I don't know that's actually a thing.

[@tilted_axis9819]

@ I’m not sure if that’s exactly how it happened but I wouldn’t take the word of a random KZbin commenter lol

[@Icebox4295]

@@tilted_axis9819 yeah I can see that the internet.

[@kronaperthro]

Beau of the Fifth column is good for those military, fisherman, hunter, country type. Not sure why his wife took over his channel though.

[@lightspectr]

I was talking about it in the comment section on one of your video and everyone hated me. And now Trump is elected as a president... Dudes, I am sure that a lot of people voted for Trump just because of games like DA Veilguard, concord, etc., and because of discourse like "mmmm we need more DEI in Warhammer 40k". If I were American I wouldn't vote for Trump, but I would not vote for Democrats as well. My personal breakpoint was the release of Netflix's Witcher series. As a slav, I was VERY offended by this piece of cultural appropriation

[@Anthropomorphic]

What was wrong with the Witcher series?

[@50043211]

Are they now? Well, they were "winning" 100 years ago too and we know how well that one went for everyone back then.

[@Christian_Ada1]

Very true

[@justaplainspokengirl]

Here is but one tiny slice of a whole pie, and I will share only bc it’s summary: "The election campaign is over. To achieve success in the election, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them." N. Patrushev, RU chief officer of intelligence and trolling. Just follow the money lol. 🍿🍿🍿

[@theclimbto1]

Joe Rogan is SO Center Right that Barak Obama was the Best President and he was a Bernie Bro. Do you guys even listen to yourselves anymore? Joe has only been Voting Democrat since at least Obama... which was 2 Terms Obama, he was a Bernie Bro, and he was for Biden. That's 16 Consecutive Years. He wasn't even Center Left, he was SO FAR LEFT that putting Hillary over Bernie pissed him off.

[@mythicrelik3656]

Exactly this. Why is the left bent on pushing people right is the real issue.

[@MegaAnimeforlife]

Bro Joe rogans opinions especially bsck then varied from day to day depending on who he is talking too

[@theclimbto1]

@@MegaAnimeforlife Sure. We can say that. They varied so much that he still says he likes Bernie, he still stands firm on not liking Hillary, and he still glows about Obama as an Orator and symbol for hope. He has, however, cooled on some of Obama's Policy. People weren't expecting him to Lead in Deportation and Drone Strikes like that, so some people softened their positive stance due to that. You'd EXPECT that from Trump. He liked Tulsi when she was a Dem, and defended her against accusations by Bari Weiss. He's never wavered on Pot, or Drugs in general. He's never wavered on UBI.

[@Kolsev]

"Center right people have a bigger problems than us, problems with the soul". Alright good 34 seconds I'm out.

[@StuartAtkinson4467]

Good riddance. This is a great example of what should have been done more explicitly by the Harris campaign none of the "well actually the center right aren't weird like the Maga lot" they are, the race is binary on most issues. There are no moderates.

[@Kolsev]

@StuartAtkinson4467 Go ahead and keep campaigning on your moral superiority and unwillingness to compromise, it's been working out wonderfully 🤙

[@Skiritai]

​@@StuartAtkinson4467Ok authoritarian.

[@Kolsev]

@@StuartAtkinson4467 Don't reflect on your loss at all and don't address the toxic aspects of your party, just keep campaigning on moral superiority and a complete refusal to compromise or understand your political adversaries. It lost you 2016, it nearly lost you 2020 and you got steamrolled in 2024. Good luck 🤙.

[@Laplata-r9n]

​@StuartAtkinson4467 "there is no mo-NO NO NO DONT VOTE AGAINST US" Hahahahahha

[@brIceni-x4w]

I understand the following suggestions aren't the answers to the problem but I reckon Americans could benefit from watching either Novara Media and/or Owen Jones, They're both British outfits but they maintains a lot of journalistic credibility from the left and, more importantly, they cover geopolitics and the messages are relevant to a worldwide audience.

[@gj1234567899999]

Anyplace that is not censored goes right. Only if a place is heavily censored by the left does is become left. Right ideas simply make more sense to more people.

[@averyarp7901]

So driving trans people to suicide just makes more sense?

[@Kallisto.0]

You just pulled that completely out of your @$$

[@Kallisto.0]

Do you have any facts to back this up or was this just a figment of your imagjnation? 😅

[@averyarp7901]

@Kallisto.0 don't bother any one who responds gets deleted

[@gj1234567899999]

@@Kallisto.0 reddit is very left wing. It wasn’t always so. TheDonald subreddit was very influential in 2016 helping Trump get elected. It was subsequently shut down. Many people were banned from Reddit for the mildest critiques about the absurdity of trans politics or pointing out Islamic terrorism. The media with the exception of Fox was left wing. CNN, msnbc, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and NPr are all left wing. They frequently have guest panels where a token conservative is on, and even that conservative is barely representative of conservatives. Twitter was left wing before musk. They censored or banned any conservatives heavily. Liberals never notice of course and didn’t care because they are pro censorship and are fascist. They even tried to censor KZbin by demonetizing conservatives however conservatives got around this by just getting donations, patreon, etc. However any place not heavily moderated will have more conservative voices, like X is now. Liberals have a hard time arguing for abortion when people are shown a video of actual abortion or exposed to logic for the first time. Of course there are liberals who don’t care and joke about dead babies but that just exposes how evil and demented they are.

[@crisjr6478]

The problem with the left is you won’t just have civil conversation without going full debate bro mode. It turns everyone off.

[@henryofskalitz5212]

Sure, we can have a calm discussion about policy, but that isn't how it goes. Why do the left always have to make concessions with the right, when the right won't do the same and is held to a double standard? If any left wing politician did half of the things the top Republicans have, they would pull another Jan 6th in a heartbeat. Yet the left if being told to be nice to the people gloating about removing the rights of the people.

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

@@crisjr6478 "you actually disprove our wrong talking points that we were indoctrinated with, and we don't like that!" Lol

[@Fromonian]

​@@ThompsonFlash9999 Case in point

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

@@Fromonian that's not "debate bro," that's just mockery

[@justincancelosa5773]

I grew up conservative and around about highschool and college I really started to shift more center left. The optics the left gives off to regular people as well as center right leaning people is that liberals and far leftists are one and the same. Liberals will carry water for their socialist betters. Liberalism is seen as weak while socialism is becoming stronger. In response we’re seeing this reactionary right rise off vague sentiments of the past. As a modern left party we need to put just as much pressure on socialists as much as we do fascists. Liberalism is about live and let live but we cannot live with ideologies of intolerance. The modern left is about acceptance, freedom, and democracy.

[@falconeshield]

Centre left too. You CAN handle criticism without turning your leader into a god. You CAN see the nuance without being an enemy. You can have thick skin without being emotionless.

[@BlindDaughter]

You let the patients run the Asylum

[@lemon93]

Give us something socialists pushed the dems to do. Anything the boarder bill was a conservatives dream. Is this covid gender what?

[@danielponcianodiaz176]

I disagree. Conservatives didn’t win by appealing to moderate center left types. They won by aggressively pushing their ideas agitating and triggering the left. They pushed the Overton window right. Center left politics will only further capitulate ground to the right.

[@sheogorath1374]

It's literally the other way around lol. Liberals have all the influence, while socialists like Bernie get shoved aside and scapegoated. How did you manage to become so deluded?

[@RobertEgbers]

Wasn’t Kamala money 3:1

[@henryofskalitz5212]

Until Elon opened up his wallet and started basically personally funding Trump.

[@richardarriaga6271]

Doesn't matter if your pastor, FB group, podcaster, and talking head on TV love Trump.

[@ericthomas6726]

We need more Destinies and far, FAR less bread tubers.

[@vasylhorodetskyy8876]

Destany is loser like Hasan. Y have have contributed big to your girl Kamala lost. Thy have contributed to her loss with their rambling and bulls>>>>t

[@richardarriaga6271]

Destiny cannot be mainstream because of his takes on Palestine, BLM, and where he was excuses Crowder's verbal abuse of his wife. I was going to follow him, but the first vid I saw of his channel was of him defending the Crowder surveillance video with his pregnant wife. LazerPig was a better choice since he won over Lira anyway.

[@user-th1pv6ks5o]

​@@richardarriaga6271 First vid I saw was him whining for hours about Ludwig.

[@martincerny3294]

@@richardarriaga6271 His takes on Palestine and BLM are actually quite mainstream in terms of actual people, not media.

[@richardarriaga6271]

@@martincerny3294 You will lose black women and women in general, especially with the last one.

[@Wulfshade]

Based

[@LarshHill]

based as shit ❤

[@JamCliche]

A few days ago Destiny was streaming and just chatting with BTC about how we need a unified message and a better media network on the left. Mf you are that guy. The beef has to stop.

[@menkaragamble8175]

He has "beef" with people that go out of their way to lie about him and build up a false image. You can't work with people who care about nothing but getting more views than anyone else and stab you in the back for personal gain.

[@JamCliche]

@menkaragamble8175 the point sailed right over your head.

[@marocat4749]

suris the sceptic is a pretty good creator. I really like the pondscum podcast, its definitly spicy , but in a way its actually smart , entertaining. the last one was about "psychic wars" aka what on social media could be done productive to counter, like going into maga spaces and spread there memes going ciral that could influence maga or cause infighting. Its also very entertaining. And fun, but smug is playing up the persona , but fun. Good guys. Also the destiny bit how he talks how people live so far in an alternative reality that you have to "hack" in that matrix somewhat to reach people and influence them effective. Because we live in a post truth world now so we need to "hack" into the post truth matrix. Ok the isea is that to if i get it is to "hack" into that post truth matrix to reach people and influence them, like in the matrix. Embracing the matrixs post truth meme vibe culture to do stuff in the matrix. And behind the bastards is technically a history one but , yeah very left. and can reccomand. Also fun.

[@hermithouse]

Probably just not enough debate, or we didn't debate them enough? No?

[@sheogorath1374]

Who on the left even debates anymore except for Destiny?

[@Arthurio99]

This analysis is partially wrong. But the main point is good. With exceptions like daily wire affiliated channels. Institutional support does not really benefit the right wing. For example in gaming circles left-leaning people ( mainly gaming journalist channels ) are much more supported by institutions. Most right-wing media have no support. Only the biggest shows do get some, and support for left-leaning media is fairly similar. The main reason why right-wing media dominates is because they simply have a bigger viewer base at the moment. The biggest proportion of viewers of the media are men, and the biggest portion out of them online are lonely men. Men as gender is already a bit right-leaning, but that subgroup is even more right at least at the moment. What I mean by that is even if the man has left-leaning beliefs he prefers right-wing people and maybe even votes for the right. And that group is also continuously shifting right. Many of them even might be, or start out as pro-LGBTQ, anti-racist, believe in left-wing economic strategies, etc the issue of loneliness, gender war, feminism, etc overwhelms anything else. At the same time, there is basically no left-leaning media that unapologetically speaks and focuses on men's issues.

[@Kolsev]

@@Arthurio99 We also dispise being called racist or sexist for sole reason of not voting blue. Thanks Obama.

[@___Sphinx___]

💯

[@vonderfaak6357]

Five minutes in, I can already tell where this is headed. David Pakman made a similar point, but I disagree: giving “you guys” more funding won’t change the course. Sure, it’ll deepen pockets, but it won’t make the message any more appealing. The problem is the message itself-it just doesn’t resonate. They’re talking about trans sports and surgeries for kids, exaggerating the issues to make a point. And then there’s the media and gaming, which have spent the last 20 years alienating “white men,” pushing them out of spaces they once enjoyed. Now, these kids are finally old enough to vote, and they’re being told that the stuff they care about-gaming, media, the culture around them-is irrelevant. One side calls them incels, almost suggesting they prove they’re not homophobic by “sucking a d.” Meanwhile, the other side? They’re saying, “We don’t hate you; actually, we’re on your side.” Guess which side will draw more people in, whose podcasts will end up with the bigger audience?

[@gypsylee333]

Facts 👍

[@tomwhitworth1560]

Its people like Hasan.

[@sonicblackhole3559]

Idk what to even do

[@BlindDaughter]

Talk to the other side

[@alextrusk1986]

Really Dylan the right could have told you that 5 years ago

[@JakeMarriott]

The only thing that will solve this is the nationalization of American oil.

[@richardarriaga6271]

Lots of crazy countries have nationalized oil. Saudi Arabia, Russia, Venezuela.

[@StuartAtkinson4467]

​@@richardarriaga6271And Saudi Arabia have managed to basically buy all sport, Russia have managed to survive almost the entire world sanctioning them and Venezuela did it too late after handing their economy to corporation's for decades who just pulled out of the country.

[@benjamineer3045]

I'd like to summarize: It is all Hassan's fault!

[@falconeshield]

Not all. He gets like 10k views and seems them as small. 😂 But 15 million who stayed indoor for a population who doesn't care outside its own sh*t: you got your answer. If Putin shows up to your doorstep (and it can happen now) they'll be the first to bring out the red carpet.

[@RobertEgbers]

Nailed it

[@TheRealAb216]

Hassan has an audience of nothing but nonbinary or trans communists.

[@richardarriaga6271]

Not entirely his fault, but he repels people from left spaces and is impossible to work with for building political power. He doesn't encourage voting, civic participation, dissent, international order, etc.

[@bob3ironfist]

@@richardarriaga6271 ya, hassan is too flawed a character to be useful politically.

[@RandomPickles]

Duh

[@j.c6204]

💙

[@Huckleberry123ABC]

We win

[@henryofskalitz5212]

Democrats literally DID talk policy. You have been in debates where that exact argument has been shot down a number of times, I see no reason why you are reverting back to this position that the dems focused on Identity politics instead of policy, when you should already know this literally didn't happen

[@richardarriaga6271]

They didn't message policy. Trump ran the narrative on immigration, the economy, and social issues.

[@BagelBoy97]

We hebben een serieus probleem!

[@captaincruise8796]

This is the first time we’ve been able to say things like this without getting called all sorts of names by lefties. Identity politics and pronouns shenanigans should be like, optional reading, not the cover page.

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

Thats what all of that is, though. Nobody is putting that first and foremost. Only far right types try to pretend it is being put front and center...

[@falconeshield]

Exactly. The PC stuff was fine before everyone got offended by Xmas, not just the Evangelicals.

[@Mcree114]

"Hey maybe we should be more inclusive and not push away the the young male demographic and only care about women and the T in LGBT+." Online Lefties: "INCEL SPOTTED!!!" "MASS SHOOTER CODED!!!" "TAKE A SHOWER AND TOUCH GRASS!!!" * ten thousand downvotes and false reports to get you banned *

[@Svalinn-s1j]

I think the problem is some communicate this poorly. Are you saying we should just abandon all of their positions and become conservative? Just say "f it, we might as well hate g ays and agree with conservatives"

[@falconeshield]

​@@Mcree114To be fair Americans of all ages get so easily offended. If you're 50+ can get hurt if you're called weird, the mockery is on you.

[@DebunkedMommy]

you are wrong dillan burms. Please talk more to me aout latinX and xe/xur and frogself. please please please

[@whentheleveebreaks]

Joe rogan is not a right wing guy. He is a guy you watch after you light a joint. Rogan very rarely pushes back on anything, leading to his show hosting guys that claim they saw a flying saucer in some secret NASA facility, people claiming Atlantis is real and it's in Africa, people claiming that US never landed on the moon, people claiming that pyramids were build by the aliens etc. This kind of shows attract people who just want to relax after long working day. They hate their job, they hate the government, they hate corporations, but this guy gives you a secret knowledge "they" don't want you to know. It entertains and empowers people. Rogan often says that he really knows nothing and nobody should make any conclusions about anything based on stuff said on the show, but when you say that it really works the other way around, doesn't it? Thus, you watch his interview with Bernie Sanders, then with David Packman, then with some conspiracy guy where rogan will tell that alex jones is actually saying a lot of accurate things, like when 20 years he exposed some agent provocateurs that worked for george w bush. And you start thinking, "Oh, so he was against bush? Meaning he is not a right wing dude but just a truth seeker?" Then you watch an alex jones interview and enter the right wing pipeline.

[@dukenukem8381]

He endorsed trump after mustache man comments. How more right can you be? By your definition Dugin is also just speaks about Hyperborea and is a fun guy to chat with.

[@whentheleveebreaks]

@@dukenukem8381 I am not advocating for rogan, I share my opinion why I think people like watching him and why he's become so popular. He talks politics like 20% of his show. Everything else are just stories about hunting, science, pseudo-science, conspiracy theories. People tune into joe rogan not for politics, but for wild stories. Most people don't care if these stories are true. If a story is interesting, if you don't see why this couldn't have happened, you might as well believe it happened.

[@andrewb4999]

Joe Rogan is a center-right reactionary. He has liberal ideals here and there for sure but he does not challenge his right wing guests effectively if at all and is ultimately a benefit to the right while being a constant nag to the left.

[@dominicsavio6955]

You're right. He's just a gullible asset the right has siezed hold of. ​@whentheleveebreaks

[@dukenukem8381]

@@whentheleveebreaks Well knowingly or not he builds up audience denying reality. Mythical UFO flat earth talk is a straight pathway to fascism. Denying reality while fearmongering about unknow evil and aliens(immigrants) while building siege mentality is far-right politics mascaraed as fun wacky "stories". Democracy is work. Work starts with acknowledging shared reality. All reality denying "fun stories" are pushing people to the right.

[@aidanm5578]

The “correct” is winning. Been centre left my whole life (now 34). This year I turned centre right.

[@Christian_Ada1]

The “Correct is Winning?” You mean Greed and the right pushing for 30-year-old man to marry 14-year-old girls, which is basically pedophilia That to you was winning ? Trump having a sexual attraction to his own daughter back to you was winning? Outright racism all of a sudden saying that Hitler was correct that to you was winning ? Yeah ok Come back in three years and tell me if you still think your side is winning I’ll pay $100 a bet I will win it. They’re not winning.

[@Christian_Ada1]

The right has never been correct. They have been very hypocritical. They feed on greed. They have never been about capitalism look at corporate America look who runs things. They keep yelling in the streets and social media. Pride is a sin while not mentioning greed is a horrible sin to and we all know that these corporations are greedy, which is why they keep making the same movie over and over and over again because the population can think critically for themselves is to all evil As I said post, they never have gotten over slavery so they trying to bring it back in a big way They also claim to grooming and they want to protect children, but they also don’t a 30 year old man marrying a 13 or 14-year-old girl because they are more fertile So go ahead tell me about the weight is winning. They are hypocritical not correct. They’ve always been about do as I say not as I do and that’s where they’re going to implode within the next couple of years just you wait-and-see

[@Christian_Ada1]

Nope they aren’t “correct” It’s not good being delusional

[@StuartAtkinson4467]

I do love one of my favourite memes like this where someone called in to Nigel Farage essentially saying "Something major happened and I went from left to right! Oh what's that? I got kicked in the head by a horse"

[@aidanm5578]

@@Christian_Ada1 I agree.