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Brian Holdsworth

Brian Holdsworth

Күн бұрын

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@BrewMeister27
@BrewMeister27 9 күн бұрын
When I was going through marriage prep, a priest told me to truly consider the marriage vows. He said that people usually only consider the first part of "for better or for worse." But you're actually vowing to remain married even if your spouse causes financial ruin, becomes chronically ill, or even objectively makes your life worse. It was quite sobering.
@dominictafoya2205
@dominictafoya2205 9 күн бұрын
But "objectively making your life worse" includes abuse and the church I'd against that
@BrewMeister27
@BrewMeister27 9 күн бұрын
@@dominictafoya2205 Abuse does not dissolve a marriage. Though separation may be necessary for your safety, you are not free to marry someone else.
@jorgepenaloza6834
@jorgepenaloza6834 9 күн бұрын
Many woman saints put up with an abusive spouse @@dominictafoya2205
@glennyskitchen9491
@glennyskitchen9491 9 күн бұрын
The church is against that and you can separate, but you are still married! ​@@dominictafoya2205
@LittleIAO
@LittleIAO 9 күн бұрын
​@@dominictafoya2205 this doesn't mean the Church is for allowing divorce. It's merely a warning as to how serious the union is. Conversations about marriage naturally include all possibilities inside that relationship. Both the absolute worst and the absolute best simultaneously.
@ksanto9797
@ksanto9797 9 күн бұрын
Adult Child of divorced parents here. It never ends. Every holiday, special event, every milestone is divided. It even impacts my kids. Always having to strategize and make sure no one is offended or offensive or feel lefft out. It never ends.
@Mrs_Homemaker
@Mrs_Homemaker 8 күн бұрын
Adult "child of divorce" here. The disunity from that decision never stops. I have whole chapters of my childhood that are just gone bc of multiple marriages and multiple divorces. I thank God my own children will never know this pain.
@Pan_Z
@Pan_Z 10 күн бұрын
Doing more than the bare minimum is a mentality that should be applied to any loving relationship. It's disingenuous to say "I love you" when you consistently put in the lowest effort possible, rather than wondering how you can strengthen such bonds.
@cskandrsgyrgy
@cskandrsgyrgy 9 күн бұрын
Nevertheless, "Plastic Love" is still quite good...
@aburns1999
@aburns1999 9 күн бұрын
The Orthodox Church holds marriage sacred as well. I ask young people today, 'what does marriage mean?' The answer I get most of the time is, 'I don't know.' That is a failure on everyone's part. We have allowed entertainment to define our culture for far too long. I've also heard people say they just aren't happy anymore. What does that mean? People are expected to dance on a razor's edge the entire relationship hoping you wake up happy every single day? Ridiculous. When you marry, there's a third person in that marriage, Jesus.
@Reimerguns
@Reimerguns 9 күн бұрын
Truth ☦️
@christinereich6050
@christinereich6050 9 күн бұрын
Orthodox are ok with birth control though, aren't they?
@Rocky-nj8lk
@Rocky-nj8lk 9 күн бұрын
The Orthodox Church allows divorce?
@jorgepenaloza6834
@jorgepenaloza6834 9 күн бұрын
The schismatics allow divorce. Next.
@ralfbettker-cuza7432
@ralfbettker-cuza7432 9 күн бұрын
@@Rocky-nj8lk Well, that's a difficult issue. Officially, "the Orthodox Church" (though actually there is no unified opinion on this in Orthodoxy, as on many issues) only recognizes the first marriage as such. But it does have an liturgical rite for the second marriage (officially called a penitetial rite, though the ones I've seen were anything but penitential, actually were the normal marriage rites). And furthermore, it depends on the nation's liturgical traditions, some predominantly Orthodox countries are stricter than others. After haveing done the "penitential rite", the second marriage is fully accepted in Church life and the couple can receive the sacraments like anybody else.
@jakeklier572
@jakeklier572 8 күн бұрын
The two becoming one flesh cannot be unseen once you look at your children.
@scottforesman7968
@scottforesman7968 8 күн бұрын
I was so young when I divorced. Looking back 30+ years ago, I realize how fully selfish and blind I was. I had kids! I had NO RIGHT to leave. But I did, and hurt so many. Many many many tears would follow.
@thomasasavant2442
@thomasasavant2442 8 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@bekabell1
@bekabell1 10 күн бұрын
I was 'married' to an abuser for 20 years, i stayed because i took my vows seriously, but in the end i feared for my life and the safety of my children. I separated and he divorced me. My case is currently being reviewd by the marriage tribunal, but regardless of the outcome i cannot imagine attempting marriage again.
@IRISHBee4
@IRISHBee4 10 күн бұрын
I am sorry for the pain you underwent by the person you committed your life to. I hope that you find peace and comfort in God.
@paolomartinelli345
@paolomartinelli345 10 күн бұрын
Annulment is a thing
@jwm6314
@jwm6314 9 күн бұрын
The Church has far too many modernists and bishops who have no faith in your ability or God's grace to keep you chaste. There are saints who were sanctified by situations like yours. Trust in Christ.
@littlerock5256
@littlerock5256 9 күн бұрын
@@paolomartinelli345 Annulments have been wildly abused since Vatican II.
@MatthewThomas-ye1ei
@MatthewThomas-ye1ei 9 күн бұрын
I hope your children are doing well now
@leifa.1513
@leifa.1513 10 күн бұрын
Your videos have been so so good recently! If these past couple of videos you've uploaded have been the product of your prioritizing your online ministry, I must tell you it's really paid off. Great work!
@gustavramirez2891
@gustavramirez2891 7 күн бұрын
Thank you for talking about this, Brian. I'm also a child of divorce. I struggled in some of the ways you described - I'm smart, but am sensitive to suffering and negativity, which sometimes lead me to make foolish choices. 29 today, and still feel impacted by it a bit. But have started to turn my life around, with God's help. Promised myself I'd do my best to marry my future wife for a lifetime.
@OrdinaryCatholic1
@OrdinaryCatholic1 9 күн бұрын
Love this! We need to see this from the child's point of view, the children are watching and witnessing the actions of adults. Thank you for your testimony!!!
@youtubeKathy
@youtubeKathy 10 күн бұрын
I wish this topic was recognized more. It was really hard, trying to decide to leave my marriage when it became physically violent. I finally talked to my priest. He determined that my marriage was not valid in the eyes of the church and that I was actually living in a state of mortal sin and should not be receiving communion. I don't recall that he told me to leave, but I remember he was supportive and understanding of my situation. I still am unclear on what the church says about leaving abusive marriages.
@davidrashty2631
@davidrashty2631 10 күн бұрын
Canon Law talks about this. If there is immediate danger where delaying leaving is harmful, one can leave. If not immediate, must bring this issue to your priest/bishop: "A spouse who occasions grave danger of soul or body to the other or to the children, or otherwise makes the common life unduly difficult, provides the other spouse with a reason to leave, either by a decree of the local ordinary [e.g., bishop] or, if there is danger in delay, even on his or her own authority. (CIC 1153)"
@BrewMeister27
@BrewMeister27 9 күн бұрын
The Church permits separation in such cases, even civil divorce. However, you are not permitted to marry someone else if you already have a valid marriage.
@MichelleM-pv5to
@MichelleM-pv5to 9 күн бұрын
She says that you can separate for safety reasons, but unless your marriage is invalid, you cannot divorce.
@dominictafoya2205
@dominictafoya2205 9 күн бұрын
​@@BrewMeister27it's wild how you can go into marriage full of honesty, have your spouse gradually become abusive, leave for legitimate reasons, and and still can't get married to someone who treats you with respect. The idea of being married to your abuser for life is wild
@BrewMeister27
@BrewMeister27 9 күн бұрын
@@dominictafoya2205 Yes, which is why the Jews balked at Jesus' teaching and questioned whether people should marry at all.
@EmbracingTradition100
@EmbracingTradition100 9 күн бұрын
As a child who grew up in a home where both parents were emotionally and physically abusing to each other, I’m still grateful that they never divorced. I am convinced that even in unstable environments divorce would have been worse for us as children. I’m still dealing with the scars of the trauma that happened to me but I think it’s easier to work through than a divorce would have been.
@Charlotte_Martel
@Charlotte_Martel 9 күн бұрын
I'm not. As a child, I felt guilty for my own existence and wished that my mother had had an abortion so she wouldn't have been stuck marrying my father. My brothers were so scarred by their relationship that they never married despite having multiple children.
@EmbracingTradition100
@EmbracingTradition100 8 күн бұрын
@ I too felt guilty for my own existence as it was a regular occurrence that my mother’s pregnancy with me was brought up as to why they were together. I sympathize. I just don’t think divorce would have made it better for me and having a home where my father and mother were not divorced was better than the alternative. I’m sorry for your pain.
@googlegoog9659
@googlegoog9659 8 күн бұрын
@@Charlotte_Martel That's definitely one of the reasons sexual intercourse is an exclusive right for married couples and otherwise a sin. Sorry you had to go through it, and hope you overcame the challenge. God bless.
@363catman
@363catman 8 күн бұрын
You have my sympathy for enduring that. I can only comment on a personal experience that is somewhat on the peripheral. I had a mentor in the military that was in a marriage like that. It was this sick twisted Tit for Tat and his comment always was the only good thing that came out of his marriage was his kids but they would not get divorced because they're Catholic and that's wrong plus he was not giving her a significant chunk of his retirement. I was a pallbearer at his funeral a couple of years ago wife was never mentioned in the obituary and was not there but they were still married. 🙄 He had a girlfriend who was about the age of his kids and wife had something going on a well. I was warned by a colleague to stay very clear of the wife because she would definitely try to put the moves on me if she thought it would upset him and piss him off.
@Charlotte_Martel
@Charlotte_Martel 7 күн бұрын
​@@EmbracingTradition100Thank you for your kind words. They are sincerely appreciated. I now have a lovely family w/my husband and have the love that I missed out on as a child, so that period doesn't really affect me at this point. It did drive me into some horrific relationships/behaviour as a teen, but that's another story. I hope that you have found some peace and happiness as well.
@rmcccxxv
@rmcccxxv 9 күн бұрын
The sad reality is that annulments are granted to the vast majority of Catholics that petition for one. Yes there's paperwork and red tape involved, but it's not particularly thorough and the "psychic incapacity" grounds is exploited like crazy.
@acandela1294
@acandela1294 10 күн бұрын
I never thought of remarrying being adultery which would dissolve the original marriage. That's a good point
@introvertedcat2021
@introvertedcat2021 10 күн бұрын
It does not dissolve the original marriage.
@ModernLady
@ModernLady 10 күн бұрын
It doesn’t. That’s the excuse people who divorce use. Not what Jesus meant.
@acandela1294
@acandela1294 10 күн бұрын
@@introvertedcat2021 right. That's his point in the video. If some protestant interpretations were right then logically it would dissolve the marriage which Jesus clearly didn't intend
@TheB1nary
@TheB1nary 9 күн бұрын
@@acandela1294 It's not as 'clear' as you think.
@ChrisSadowski-pp1np
@ChrisSadowski-pp1np 9 күн бұрын
Yes God hates divorce Malachi 2:16, but it is allowed Deuteronomy 24, especially if the person is unfaithful Mathew 5:32, 19:9. Being physically abused would also qualify for leaving your spouse.
@orangemanbad
@orangemanbad 10 күн бұрын
Praise be Jesus Christ! The Latin Mass has totally saved me and my family. I’ve never felt more connected to God!
@ralphamendola9324
@ralphamendola9324 9 күн бұрын
Excellent points and reflection! The strongest support in the Bible for family and marriage (and therefor against divorce) that I have read is in the Book of Genesis. When Adam and Eve lost Paradise, Adam could have blamed Eve and Eve could have blamed Adam. Losing Paradise seems to be high on the list to justify hardening of one's heart. But instead they accepted their mutual responsibility. They clung steadfast to each other. They rededicated themselves to God. Together they would experience sorrows and joys as they began our journey back to God and His love!
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 9 күн бұрын
Millions of men returned from the two world wars with what is now recognised as post traumatic stress. Many were on a short fuse, or alcoholics, or depressive or violent, and impossible to live with. Divorce rates shot up in the 1950s. We are still paying the price.
@Nate_Higgins
@Nate_Higgins 9 күн бұрын
So true. War creates so much lasting damage that people don't even think about.
@sliglusamelius8578
@sliglusamelius8578 8 күн бұрын
Yep. Wish I had known before it was too late.
@harrygarris6921
@harrygarris6921 9 күн бұрын
Does the Bible “allow” any sin? No. Does it allow a sinner to repent and return to the faith after having committed a sin? Yes.
@BrewMeister27
@BrewMeister27 9 күн бұрын
But it's also a grave sin to presume on the mercy of God. There's great danger in justifying your sin because you expect God to forgive you.
@thegentlemancrusader9017
@thegentlemancrusader9017 9 күн бұрын
Some actions, good and bad can have permanent effects. Like how baptism leaves an indelible, that is irremovable, mark on the soul. Marriage has a similar effect, though it only lasts for the earthly lives of the spouses. Sinning against marriage does not suddenly destroy that which was binding just as apostatizing cannot remove the fact that you were baptized.
@evangelion1962
@evangelion1962 9 күн бұрын
If you have no intention to stop living in sin then you have not repented. You can't just say sorry, but I still intend to carry on with an adulterous relationship.
@l.sophia2803
@l.sophia2803 9 күн бұрын
@@BrewMeister27 Yet if the sin is the choice of a former spouse, then your whistling through your hat..
@JoseMireles-x6m
@JoseMireles-x6m 19 сағат бұрын
Truth seeker here, and i just want to thank you for standing up for marriage. The part you fell short of is the whole "valid marriage," in context of whether they are christian or not. As you said, something metaphysical/spiritual happens. God has joined them, so no divorce and remarriage. Amen.
@damnedmadman
@damnedmadman 9 күн бұрын
People opposing this seem to reject the simple yet hard truth that we as Christians are supposed to sacrifice our whole life in complete faithfulness to God, whether married or celibate. Life is not supposed to be easy and comfortable. We're supposed to emulate Martyrs. Remember this when you pray "Your will be done".
@lindaakguest4ever50
@lindaakguest4ever50 9 күн бұрын
Thank you! Absolutely!
@gregbradshaw3410
@gregbradshaw3410 9 күн бұрын
The Roman Catholic Church is not the only church that has a traditional stance on divorce. The Eastern Orthodox Church only allows divorce for 3 things: Adultery, abuse and abandonment. The Oriental Orthodox Church takes it a step further only allowing divorce for adultery. Abandonment is the easiest to prove, and the rules for abuse are kind of strict. For instance, if the spouse is only abusive when under the influence of alcohol, then the priest may forbid that spouse from consuming alcohol in order to try and save the marriage. According to Pew Research, roughly 34% of Roman Catholics in the U.S. get divorced. For Orthodox Christians that number is about 9%. Frankly I feel that both numbers are very high, even though they are well below Protestant Christians at 51%. All in all, it does appear that the further away a couple gets from traditional roles, the more likely that they will get divorced. I think this also speaks to couples not fully discussing what they expect of each other, and what they expect and want for their lives. Interestingly, couples that actually attend church together frequently are less likely to get divorced vs. people that claim to be a religion and rarely ever go. As to the way that I read Mattew 5:31 - 5:32, it seems that Jesus was basically saying that if you divorce and remarry, you are committing adultery. If you were the one that had a spouse cheat on you, you might be able to get a divorce by this interoperation, but if you remarry are you now committing adultery against your previous spouse, and are you possibly causing your new spouse to become an adulterer being if they themselves were married before?
@Charlotte_Martel
@Charlotte_Martel 9 күн бұрын
This is much more sensible and allows a way out in the very real and sadly common cases of abuse.
@MM22272
@MM22272 8 күн бұрын
It's always a blessing to hear from you, Brian. I appreciate your reflections of theological considerations.
@Tombuchaill
@Tombuchaill 8 күн бұрын
My parents stayed together because they were Catholic, while we were young, but they fought, it seems to me all the time. I had similar confusion to you of how to love two that brought me into the world that seemed to have so much hatred between themselves. It still haunts me to this day. I'm in my fifties now...I did get a serious illness when I was a teenager that interfered with my work and my sense of being a valid relationship option too so I'm a mess.
@grossepointemichigan
@grossepointemichigan 8 күн бұрын
Praying for healing.
@LeifEricson123
@LeifEricson123 Күн бұрын
I'm sorry.
@susand3668
@susand3668 9 күн бұрын
Well done! Thank you for standing up for marriage, for the Church, for our Lord.
@AnthonysPathway
@AnthonysPathway 8 күн бұрын
Thanks for this Brian! Well spoken, delivered and spoke to my heart coming from broken home…God bless you sir and keep doing the Lords work 🙏✝️
@undolf4097
@undolf4097 10 күн бұрын
When I discovered Christianity, I also found this to be very persuasive the Catholics were right especially when it came to comparing to the Eastern Orthodox churches.
@2anthranilicacid
@2anthranilicacid 10 күн бұрын
The Catholic church is the one that came up with marriage consisting in a contract. ;-)
@harrygarris6921
@harrygarris6921 9 күн бұрын
We don’t find the idea that an “annulment” is substantially different than a divorce compelling.
@erathor9120
@erathor9120 9 күн бұрын
​@@harrygarris6921Hi. In a divorce the topic is about a legal marriage being dissolved. One that is valid in the eyes of God unto bodily death. The Annulment in the catholic sense means that the "marriage" never happened to begin with, ergo for example one of the two entered into it by force. God would have never accepted such circumstances. Such a case of union would be rendered null and void from the start so it never was. So a different thing all together than comparing it to the breaking the vows of a valid marriage.
@undolf4097
@undolf4097 9 күн бұрын
@ I know so the response was just to have divorce rather than determining if a marriage was unlawful to see if the persons are free to marry properly
@BrewMeister27
@BrewMeister27 9 күн бұрын
@@harrygarris6921 In theory, they are quite different. An annulment can only consider the couple's situation prior to marriage whereas divorce is usually a response to behavior that occurred within marriage. But in practice, annulments are being treated like Catholic divorce. I spoke to a priest about this and he said a culture with a distorted view of marriage is going to have many invalid marriages. But in that case, should the Church be more selective in the couples it chooses to marry? That's a tough prudential question to answer. During my marriage prep, we were required to attend a retreat about marriage. It was apparent most of the couples in attendance were there to appease their parents and had no intention of forming a Catholic family or being truly open to life.
@calebgiesbrecht948
@calebgiesbrecht948 6 күн бұрын
Thank you for saying this, brother!
@jackfm7046
@jackfm7046 8 күн бұрын
Hello, whats the intro music for all his videos? Thanks
@interianesq
@interianesq 10 күн бұрын
Check out Life Giving Wounds, which is a Catholic ministry for adult children of divorce.
@codywork-us7wu
@codywork-us7wu 9 күн бұрын
Love those guys! I also appreciate Restored Ministry for young adults
@MaolsheachlannÓCeallaigh
@MaolsheachlannÓCeallaigh 9 күн бұрын
I agree. As a married person without children, though, I wish there were more defences of lifelong marriage even where there are no kids.
@sliglusamelius8578
@sliglusamelius8578 8 күн бұрын
In the Church, having children or not has no bearing on the validity of the marriage.
@Imbridget2003
@Imbridget2003 10 күн бұрын
Thank you....we have been slowly going thru this long and difficult journey as remarried Catholics, we remain outside of communion, confession and have started the tribunal process we leave in Gods hands.
@sird2333
@sird2333 9 күн бұрын
Then leave the cul, I mean denomination.
@rmcccxxv
@rmcccxxv 8 күн бұрын
Barring something crazy, you're statistically likely to be granted an annulment. However, if you really believe that the sacrament is ministered between two people and you are one of them, then that's a different story, regardless of what any tribunal says.
@francefradet2116
@francefradet2116 7 күн бұрын
Marriage is seen through an unrealistic Disney lens. Spanish adults realise it's mega-boring with interesting bits. Not just a nice dress. Church weddings are still popular here but sadly the North American Netfix poisonous expectations is affecting couples here now too. People who are thrill-seekers should stay single. Marriage is to have children and raise a family. Not to be gurning with joy and laughing hysterically non-stop.
@PravoSlavicon
@PravoSlavicon 3 күн бұрын
10:56 What about the Orthodox Church?
@joksal9108
@joksal9108 9 күн бұрын
Well done as always.
@LHWakefield
@LHWakefield 9 күн бұрын
Brian you gotta tell me where you get your shirts!
@ChrisDowns-n4s
@ChrisDowns-n4s 6 күн бұрын
The Protestant point of view is that you just get a divorce that you cheated and now it's over we are measured the way we measure
@hollythebordercollie2257
@hollythebordercollie2257 10 күн бұрын
There needs to be some way out of a abusive or cruel marriage but also the commitment needs to be for life through thick or thin. Tricky where to draw the line in some cases as everyone behaves badly sometimes but where does the occasional bad behaviour tip over into an abusive situation. Adultery seems more clear cut but even after divorce (even if not religious) are they really separate? I know couples still living together or still caring for ill spouses even after no longer being together. Clear rules about what is/isn't acceptable behaviour would help but those have gone completely out the window in secular society.
@dyzmadamachus9842
@dyzmadamachus9842 8 күн бұрын
There is: it's called seperation. The goal is to protect the spouses and work towards reunification.
@01Lamen
@01Lamen 7 күн бұрын
Even though I do heavily disagree with the premise of your thesis and the conclusion, I do appreciate these topics are being discussed more now and that it is having church leaders step up as the spiritual heads of their regional communities and that the collapse of post-modern thought is aiding in this.
@IvanGarcia-cx5jm
@IvanGarcia-cx5jm 9 күн бұрын
The family is important, but I am quite sensitive when the church barely speaks about domestic violence. For example, in Colombia domestic violence is everywhere. And they have the family as a high value there. Colombia is very conservative. But the priests there barely speak (if ever) about domestic violence, and as a result is kind of acceptable in the culture. I don't think it is consistent with the Gospel ignoring this issue.
@lloydritchey
@lloydritchey 9 күн бұрын
Where in the world do you get those lovely shirts, Brian?
@bk3653
@bk3653 10 күн бұрын
I married for love and made full commitment to my husband and never thought that I would think of divorce and I thought he wanted the same. After 22 years of marriage and three children I want a divorce because of the trauma he caused me and my children by his infidelities, lies, deceit and emotional and psychological abuse. I became his doormat and it took me a long time to figure out what was really happening and that I was abused. I am a devout catholic wife who loves Jesus and the decision to divorce I did not take lightly. It also came after consulting with my priest. My husband’s behavior and actions did not change and it got just worse and he shows no accountability and empathy for what he did to me and our family.
@classicalteacher
@classicalteacher 10 күн бұрын
My parents divorced and remarried and it left me mentally scared and traumatized. I'm just letting you know what will happen to your kids. If you are separated and you discuss this with your children it may help them.
@dontewithdragons
@dontewithdragons 10 күн бұрын
Annulment. Someone who does not commit to their marital vows and does not believe in getting their spouse to heaven is essentially an apostate spouse. Someone who is unrepentant in the most grave ways towards their own spouse clearly does not love God.
@hollythebordercollie2257
@hollythebordercollie2257 10 күн бұрын
No one should have to put up with infidelity - I do get his point though about it could be used as copout to get out a marriage. Want a divorce? - just cheat and it is sorted!
@jorgepenaloza6834
@jorgepenaloza6834 9 күн бұрын
Abusiveness doesn't annull a marriage. Otherwise mistreatment is like a DIY divorce court.
@dontewithdragons
@dontewithdragons 9 күн бұрын
@jorgepenaloza6834 unrepentant mortal sin towards your spouse is grounds for annulment. Marriage is a sacrament. Withholding disclosure of grave risk to your Sacramento marriage and even lying to yourself about your capacity to fulfill your vows is different from remorseful fits of Rage. Someone has to be capable of repentance and your conscience should be aligned with the church
@dolphinsfan-k6t
@dolphinsfan-k6t 10 күн бұрын
Hello! I pray 3 rosaries a day! Is that enough or is it maybe too much? It takes me around 15 minutes or up to 20 minutes to pray 1 holy rosary. So, 1 hour of prayer a day or even less. Do you think this is a good foundation alongside going to Sunday Mass? I also want to go to the confession but I am afraid to do so because of my po*n addiction and I feel shame.
@Christ__is__King
@Christ__is__King 10 күн бұрын
Confession will help you get over your p*orn addiction. It helped me. P*rn free for years now. I'm only ashamed I didn't confess earlier
@sebastijank98
@sebastijank98 10 күн бұрын
Go to Confession. No prayer can make up for that. It is the sacrament that brings you again to the state of grace. And do not think of your prayer in this way. More prayer doesn’t necessarily bring you closer to God, it’s not about the number of prayers or the time you spend praying.
@miguelangelmontenegroayala5332
@miguelangelmontenegroayala5332 10 күн бұрын
You are doing well, my friend... But Don't be shame all of us are sinners, and we need a doctor our Loord Jesus christ, confession is a kind of soul cleaner, that because of our Lord's mercy help us in the fight against of those kinds of addictions, and don't be afraid of falling again that is normal, because our Lord Jesus not just will declare you rightgeous, he will make you rightgeous... He will transform you and that process is painful, don't be afraid just be faithful... Go to confession that is going to heal You...
@kimfleury
@kimfleury 10 күн бұрын
Watch Matt Fradd videos on the topic.
@whiterose41380
@whiterose41380 10 күн бұрын
I went to confession multiple times a week for years for that same sin. I’ve now been clean for 8 months, due in large part to Confession. Don’t give up, Christ has grace waiting for you in the sacrament of confession.
@James_Wisniewski
@James_Wisniewski 7 күн бұрын
I've seen online someone boast about being divorced at age 20. For real. I think the biggest problem treating it as a legal contract instead of a sacrament causes is this tendency to just jump into it with reckless abandon rather than really considering whether this relationship will work in the long term (especially with someone whose brain hasn't even finished developing yet like a 20-year-old, and presumably 18 or 19 when the marriage occurred). If you don't treat it with the seriousness and sober maturity it warrants, of course it's not going to work. A relationship requires you to divest something of yourself for someone else. It requires a high degree of selflessness to make it work. This attitude makes it all about the self and satisfying the ego and the desires of the flesh. I can only hope the couple didn't have kids during that time because parenthood requires an even higher degree of maturity and selflessness. If you don't have those sufficient for marriage, you certainly don't have the sufficiently for parenthood.
@kylej.reeves4268
@kylej.reeves4268 9 күн бұрын
I would argue, as many more intelligent than I, that sexual immorality, or porneia in the Greek, can NOT be a reference to adultery on the basis that if adultery were discovered in a first century Jewish marriage, or any Jewish marriage all the way back to Moses, the marriage would end immediately, not through a bill of divorce, but rather by the death of the offending party by stoning. How can Jesus be saying that an act which carries with it the death penalty is an acceptable justification for divorce? I would argue rather, as many have, that this reference to sexual immorality is one of invalid marriages that should never have been joined in the eyes of God at their onset. Such unions would include those between prohibited relatives, as we know St. John the Baptist argued against Herrod taking as his wife, his own sister-in-law. Also included would be Brothers and sisters, uncles and nieces, as many of the surrounding pagan cultures, deemed acceptable, but which went against God’s law for Israel.
@CziffraNum
@CziffraNum 8 күн бұрын
Wait, a marriage can be valid but not sacramental. My wife is not baptized (yet! She is on the way HOME!) but we are married in the eyes of the Church but the marriage is not sacramental. This is what I have been told by my very traditional priests.
@momosyzlak6660
@momosyzlak6660 6 күн бұрын
The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are: Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, PSA - Penal Substitutionary Atonement, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc) all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things. And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things. No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such. In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism: Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity Patriarchy vs Papacy Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism Theosis vs Sanctification Married Priest vs Celibate Priests Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion Iconography vs Statues Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are.
@poli-rev4905
@poli-rev4905 5 күн бұрын
True! Only the Catholic Church fits the 4 attributes of the True Church. Nothing universal about Orthodox at all. Where are you guys again outside of a small stretch of land in eastern europe? You mean to tell me after 2000 years since our Lord came, my people doesnt have the access to the true faith? Thank God His Catholic Church is accessible to everyone on every continent!
@proffiesloth
@proffiesloth 9 күн бұрын
As a filipino… what is this divorce thing.
@HermosaFeCatolica
@HermosaFeCatolica 8 күн бұрын
It’s when you sleep with more than 2 people in different beds a few hours apart 😀
@Waldemarvonanhalt
@Waldemarvonanhalt 10 күн бұрын
If divorce/remarriage is permissible in cases of infidelity it creates a morally contradictory framework where unfaithful spouses have the "privilege" of access to divorce, while faithful spouses who want to get divorced can't, because they haven't committed adultery.
@2anthranilicacid
@2anthranilicacid 10 күн бұрын
That's utterly illogical - talking about it as if it was a loophole. Adultery is an extreme sin that kills the marriage. In many languages adultery has the literal meaning of "breaking the marriage". Also, the second marriage in Orthodoxy is not a real marriage. The Church Fathers mention it constantly.
@Waldemarvonanhalt
@Waldemarvonanhalt 10 күн бұрын
@@2anthranilicacid In other words, adultery is stronger than God? (Grave impediments to a valid marriage is a different matter to this)
@2anthranilicacid
@2anthranilicacid 10 күн бұрын
@@Waldemarvonanhalt Uh, no. But that also has nothing to do with this. Take it up with the consensus of the Church Fathers, if you disagree with them.
@mariobaratti2985
@mariobaratti2985 10 күн бұрын
the unfaithful spouses DON'T have access to it. Only the offended part could contract a blessed second union
@brianjonker510
@brianjonker510 9 күн бұрын
Perhaps God looks at the unfaithful spouse not as having "privilege to the access of divorce" but as getting to bear the full measure of their own sins.
@DrGero15
@DrGero15 8 күн бұрын
Divorce is forbidden, if a couple separates their only options are get back together or be celibate for the rest of their lives, remarried divorced people should not be allowed communion and the remedy for their condition is to end their adulterous relationship with their current "spouse" if two men got "married" we would insist they separate in repentance, why would we have a lessor standard for a couple living in adultery?
@AE-wv8jd
@AE-wv8jd 9 күн бұрын
you know what, I think this video is not your best work. There is historical president of pagan marriages being recognised as the pagans convert, and yet by your own arguments that makes an invalided marriage. there are plenty of other things people are giving off about, so I think perhaps this one is worth revisiting in the future
@Hopeternal316
@Hopeternal316 9 күн бұрын
🙌🏻One hundred thousand percent about the AUTHORITY💓
@WeddingVideographerMelbourne
@WeddingVideographerMelbourne 8 күн бұрын
What about the Orthodox Church?
@MrWackypackages
@MrWackypackages 3 күн бұрын
They believe in divorce and remarriage up to three times
@MormonCatholicWarrior
@MormonCatholicWarrior 9 күн бұрын
Hello from Calgary!
@williampeters9838
@williampeters9838 10 күн бұрын
Confessional Lutherans believe in binding and loosing sins. We have confession and absolution and haven't changed on divorce. The only reason we have a different number of sacraments is because we define them as the means of the forgiveness of sins.
@carolynkimberly4021
@carolynkimberly4021 10 күн бұрын
Lutherans have no Sacraments except maybe Baptism
@jayguevara6153
@jayguevara6153 10 күн бұрын
I grew up Lutheran and nobody ever talked about confession. One day I asked a pastor if we had something similar to the Catholic sacrament of reconciliation and he said they did. To this day I talk to Lutherans in their old age who never heard of such a thing and I realize that it's never been important to them even in light of Lutheran theology. Same with divorce and remarriage: they couldn't care less and, say, an LCMS pastor will just remarry anyone and never inquire into the previous marriage. This is just my experience and I mean no disrespect. I still go to Lutheran services with family but I've long since moved on. God bless you, brother.
@iwansaputra1890
@iwansaputra1890 10 күн бұрын
lutheran never consider marriage as sacrament. that the main issue.
@evangelion1962
@evangelion1962 9 күн бұрын
Luther said God doesn't care. He gave permission for Philip of Hess to take a 2nd wife. He said he could commit adultry 1000 x day and it wouldn't matter.
@williampeters9838
@williampeters9838 9 күн бұрын
​@@jayguevara6153I agree with you. I think it's unacceptable. The congregations aren't going to naturally do what is right. Not to be crass but I think one of the biggest reasons why the LCMS is often indistinguishable from evangelicals in areas is that pastors need to grow a pair and fear God not men. A pastor is a shepherd of your soul not your buddy.
@Elias.Barney
@Elias.Barney 3 күн бұрын
Saints took marriage a step further. I love they way my "christian" like faith made me vow to my wife.
@Carlos101010101
@Carlos101010101 9 күн бұрын
Can non Catholic/Orthodox marriages be considered sacramental?
@tsukasa67
@tsukasa67 9 күн бұрын
From what I understand, marriages between two baptized Christians of any stripe contract a sacramental marriage. Otherwise I think its simply a natural marriage which doesn't convey the grace of the sacrament.
@NouraZahle
@NouraZahle 9 күн бұрын
I’d rather see someone divorced than murdered by their spouse. Domestic abuse is real. Murder is a greater sin.
@joksal9108
@joksal9108 9 күн бұрын
Are those the only two choices??
@benjaminpallay6358
@benjaminpallay6358 9 күн бұрын
Fdd
@crazyb1ch
@crazyb1ch 9 күн бұрын
@@joksal9108 In some cases, yes
@SaintThomasAquinas1
@SaintThomasAquinas1 8 күн бұрын
Legal separation is allowed in cases of abuse, but never remarriage.
@stayfree6115
@stayfree6115 8 күн бұрын
A contract that can be broken at will by either party is not a true contract. It's Nothing. It should be a binding 3 way contract between only 3 parties, man, woman and God. The family court doesn't respect the sacredness of the contract $$
@KaileBrogan1025
@KaileBrogan1025 10 күн бұрын
Going through one now. So awful
@swesleyc7
@swesleyc7 9 күн бұрын
In the Lutheran LCMS Church we're even more strict than RCC. Divorce isn't even allowed for cheating. Barring physical abuse is it permitted. I'm not sure if even it's truly a Church-based divorce or if it's considered in the legal sense.
@Luka-lf2cz
@Luka-lf2cz 9 күн бұрын
Divorces aren't allowed at all in the Catholic Church.
@jonathansmith4712
@jonathansmith4712 9 күн бұрын
Bizarre. Luther’s Spouse neither cheated on him nor abused him, and yet he still divorced Her. He was an Augustinian monk who took vows of chastity and obedience to the Church.
@swesleyc7
@swesleyc7 8 күн бұрын
@@jonathansmith4712 Luther isn't a pope or equivalent in Lutheranism. It's important to note, it is the Bible that leads us, not Luther. Luther, like all of us, is not beyond reproach.
@jonathansmith4712
@jonathansmith4712 8 күн бұрын
@@swesleyc7 That’s not what I’m saying at all. As a monk, Luther was already married to the Church and then ran off and “married” a nun who was already married to Christ.
@myrddingwynedd2751
@myrddingwynedd2751 4 күн бұрын
According to the gospels, unfaithfulness is a valid reason for divorce?
@TJBowman-vr1co
@TJBowman-vr1co 8 күн бұрын
The Law of Non-Contradiction stands
@unoriginal_username1
@unoriginal_username1 7 күн бұрын
What about the orthodox? even Coptic/ Ethiopian church.
@Elias.Barney
@Elias.Barney 3 күн бұрын
the lds church also has claimed the authority and does not compromise on the divorce.
@BrianHoldsworth
@BrianHoldsworth 3 күн бұрын
The LDS Church does allow divorce, but if consistency is a mark of the true Church, then the LDS are going to have a really difficult time there. They've contradicted their own doctrines by teaching one thing and then the exact opposite at a later time on topics such as polygamy, participation of black people in the temple, birth control, caffeinated soda, role of women in workplace, and Adam = God.
@stephenbailey9969
@stephenbailey9969 9 күн бұрын
The godly ideal is faithful marriage between one man and one woman for life, with the fruit of the Spirit expressed within the marriage between both partners. The failure of marriages to meet that ideal is, of course, because of human brokenness. However, should a marriage fail, then according to NT counsel, a believer should not remarry unless the other partner has already done so. He/she should remain single and focus on works of helpfulness toward others, to the glory of the Lord. When any of us fail to live up to the godly standards in any way, with contrite heart let us ask the Lord's forgiveness, for he is faithful so as to forgive. (1 John 1: 9)
@evangelion1962
@evangelion1962 9 күн бұрын
The gospel doesn't allow remarriage. If you do it you're an adulterer and a polygamist.
@TheTradDadShow
@TheTradDadShow 10 күн бұрын
Well I guess it was "permitted", but never actively willed by God
@borquelepork1057
@borquelepork1057 9 күн бұрын
Excellent
@janetechaney7099
@janetechaney7099 9 күн бұрын
Brian Could you make a video on pascendi against modernism from st Pius X?
@capn_buzzcheeply
@capn_buzzcheeply 3 күн бұрын
I struggle with trusting a catholic priest due to that “well-known scandal”. Would I take my child to one of them?…any thoughts?
@johnobeid67
@johnobeid67 10 күн бұрын
Excellent video!
@michaelbledsoe4355
@michaelbledsoe4355 8 күн бұрын
You are saying that if one remarries they are eternally condemned by perpetual adultery and cannot be forgiven, or cleansed by the blood of Jesus. This is not biblical you can be forgiven however it is a complex issue and as a Protestant I can agree that the Catholic teaching reinforces the gravity of these decisions.
@sliglusamelius8578
@sliglusamelius8578 8 күн бұрын
I have no idea what you're claiming here Brian. If a priest presided at a marriage sacrament to a couple, the Church can't go back later and say "it wasn't valid in the first place".
@paologat
@paologat 7 күн бұрын
The priest is not omniscient. He can’t be 100% certain that the spouses aren’t being coerced into marriage, or that the spouses aren’t already married to someone else, or that no other cause of nullity applies. The Church does its best to make sure that marriages are valid. But the possibility of error remains, especially if one or both spouses are deliberately hiding something.
@sliglusamelius8578
@sliglusamelius8578 7 күн бұрын
@ Annulments are given out like candy.
@joea12
@joea12 9 күн бұрын
I agree with you regarding the logical impossibility of Christ offering adultery as an exception to the no-divorce rule. However, I'm having trouble with your alternative interpretation of Matthew 19. If Christ was speaking specifically about illicit marriages (those created only by man, not by God), would it even be necessary to bring up "unlawful sexual conduct"? It seems it would be sufficient to say that any unlawful marriage can be dissolved. I find the plain meaning words to be the most favorable most of the time, and this alternative interpretation where Christ uses a general term to speak to a very specific scenario seems a bit of a leap to me.
@adventureinallthings
@adventureinallthings 8 күн бұрын
If two souls are joined together as one, why are we not married in heaven? Genuine question that sprang to mind, what happens if you partner dies, and you marry again. Are souls separated ? If so their original combination does not seem so unbreakable, this is confusing
@MrWackypackages
@MrWackypackages 3 күн бұрын
Because in heaven there will be no sex or procreation. It is sex only that distinguishes marriage from non marriage relationships.
@minasoliman
@minasoliman 9 күн бұрын
What about a married couple outside the Church, or even outside Christianity? Like a Hindu or Muslim couple? Are these not considered lawful marriage under divinely inspired human laws (so long as it’s one man and one woman)? Or is this considered fornication, since it’s “marriage” that is “outside” the Church?
@evangelion1962
@evangelion1962 9 күн бұрын
They're valid but not sacramental. Only Catholics are required to marry in the church.
@tsukasa67
@tsukasa67 9 күн бұрын
They would be valid natural marriages which doesn't convey the grace of the sacrament but is considered a real marriage recognized by the church.
@Benjamin_Hight
@Benjamin_Hight 9 күн бұрын
Great video! Please do some commentary on the annulment crisis in the Catholic Church. I am a convert from the Orthodox Church. My own divorce in the Orthodox Church is why I am Catholic today. My ex wife was ‘remarried’ in the same Orthodox parish 10 months after the divorce was official. It’s been several years and I still haven’t applied for an annulment. I heard there are approx 50,000 annulments in the Catholic Church each year in the US alone. There were only like 50 globally in around 1900. I feel like I cannot trust the tribunals decision, especially if they grant the annulment. Some diocese have a 90%+ approval rate. I would love to hear your thoughts.
@MrWackypackages
@MrWackypackages 3 күн бұрын
Maybe one reason annulments are higher is due to the amount of Catholics marrying in a non valid way. I know Catholics who married in the civil court because they werent practicing religion. And when they eventually reverted, they had their invalid non Catholic marriage annulled.
@NPC-bs3pm
@NPC-bs3pm 8 күн бұрын
Since this is about 💍Marriage/Divorce, I need to send a warning because judgement day is filled with people people that took God's Law lightly and expect another warning (reference Luke 16:28) ... WARNING: Do NOT go to a marriage *ceremony that involves formerly divorced "Christians" getting married, without first assuring the legal context of their previous divorce is worth you being COMPLICIT in their "Christian" marriage‼ If it's a pagan that is different however.... if it is a "Christian" (as in they bear the title - let alone if it be actually Catholic), there is HIGHER judgement - do NOT corrupt the title of "Christian" . If Catholics give over the word and Protestants give over the word - the meaning of the word "Christian" is given over to Satan's 😈power (may God judge you for that😡)
@tflics
@tflics 8 күн бұрын
Not all non-sacramental marriages are unlawful. My own marriage falls into that category. My wife is not baptized, so I had to obtain a dispensation from the bishop to marry her. I got the dispensation, and the priest officiated. Because my my wife is not baptized, our marriage is NOT a sacrament. It is considered a "natural" marriage, and I am permitted to receive the sacraments of the church. Curiously, because she is not baptized, I could--theoretically--petition the holy see to obtain "the privilege of the faith" (a.k.a. the Petrine Privilege) to dissolve my marriage. Crazy, huh?
@rdrdmaster5378
@rdrdmaster5378 8 күн бұрын
I dont think you can obtain ''the privilege of the faith'' since You entered to your marriage with a dispensation from your bishop, so it is a valid marriage and you knew your wife was not baptized before married her. The ''privilege of the faith'' can be use only if you are not catholic, marry and then you convert to the faith but your spouse (who is not catholic) dont do it.
@Kayem237
@Kayem237 6 күн бұрын
It's not a contradiction because you're forgetting Jesus's later words in the exact same chapter. Matthew 5:32 " However, I say to you that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of sexual immorality, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." While the adultery annuls the marriage with the first partner, that very same act also causes the new partner to commit adultery. In addition, you can't forget Paul's words in both 1 Corinthians 6:9 and in Hebrews 13:4. Where Paul says that if you are continuing to perform sinful acts, you won't inherit God's kingdom. Not to mention all of Paul's talks about faith and how we are bound by faith rather than law on the same line of thinking where Jesus says that the second greatest command was you must love your neighbor as yourself. Using these words as a loophole for divorce in and of itself is a sin. This is something that should only be considered by happenstance when it happens due to the adultery. If somebody were to try to make a loophole, even though it doesn't actually exist, the very act of them trying to get around God's laws isn't of itself a sin. So no, there is no loophole, and it is not a contradiction. Also, the Greek word porneiʹa does include adultery among other gross sexual acts.
@ericotto314
@ericotto314 9 күн бұрын
The holy Catholic Church is unstoppable ❤️‍🔥
@Stop.Arguing
@Stop.Arguing 10 күн бұрын
Would love to hear and know more about the Church's indisputable authority over even heaven, and how this intertwines with God's authority
@EmanuelQ3
@EmanuelQ3 9 күн бұрын
Excellent points, the one about the Catholic church being the only one that claims that authority was kind of re-affirming of some of my doubts.
@GiWolf6060
@GiWolf6060 9 күн бұрын
Jesus making an exception is not a contradiction. Some might even say that an exception going against what was previously stated is the defining attribute of an exception lol.
@assassinonezero
@assassinonezero 9 күн бұрын
I finally get it! Thank you.
@reylambarte5615
@reylambarte5615 7 күн бұрын
So what it does not follow that old churches are true
@mottledbrain
@mottledbrain 8 күн бұрын
Brian, great talk but can you edit out the background music? Dominus tecum, Reg
@bhami
@bhami 10 күн бұрын
Every case is different. A couple that stays together "for the sake of the children" but presents those children with constant mutual animosity and strife can cause far more harm to the children than if they would separate.
@jwm6314
@jwm6314 9 күн бұрын
Irrelevant to the sacrament of marriage. Catechism since 1960 is garbage.
@MichelleM-pv5to
@MichelleM-pv5to 9 күн бұрын
Think about it though, separation (barring physical danger) is sure to create new suffering while likely not curing the animosity. If your spouse is such a "horrible person", would you want your children to go to their house alone every other weekend? Additionally, you will have zero control over any new romances that could negatively effect your children, which by the way, there is a high rate of sexual abuse. They'll have two homes to straddle along with a loss of identity, among many other terrible effects, of which no amount of double birthdays or extra Christmas toys will be worth. Would you want to live in two homes? Not only that, but studies have shown that if you just hang in there, many marital issues resolve within a year and a half.
@coach.dave.lingner
@coach.dave.lingner 9 күн бұрын
I understanding is you can separate, but you don't divorce and remarry.
@BrewMeister27
@BrewMeister27 9 күн бұрын
The statistics disagree. Barring physical abuse, children do better if their parents stay together. Even if there's verbal abuse in the home.
@emiblux98
@emiblux98 9 күн бұрын
That is way if there is no other solution you can sepárate... But you can't re marry... And sometimes time and healing and growth and forgiveness bring couples together before the end...
@stayfree6115
@stayfree6115 8 күн бұрын
A contract that can be broken at will by either party is not a true contract. It's Nothing. It should be a binding 3 way contract between only 3 parties, man, woman and God. The family court doesn't respect the sacredness of the contract $$
@FromAcrossTheDesert
@FromAcrossTheDesert 9 күн бұрын
7:50 Recap.
@moustacheman7130
@moustacheman7130 9 күн бұрын
I dont believe Jesus is saying that adultry nullifys a marriage. He is saying that adultery is the only justification for divorce. If you divorce, you are divorced, whether or not you should have. If you remarry, you remarry, whether or not you should have.
@ChrisDowns-n4s
@ChrisDowns-n4s 6 күн бұрын
If they cheated on their spouse they should have a chance to repent and have a chance to be a loyal spouse if they refuse to do that then maybe the divorce would be valid
@Mister_Merb
@Mister_Merb 9 күн бұрын
Look for a Life Giving Wounds retreat. You will find tremendous healing!
@hfsfuz3168
@hfsfuz3168 4 күн бұрын
Frank Gallagher if he was still an alter boy
@TomLandry1
@TomLandry1 8 күн бұрын
The verse isn’t about adultery. It’s about illegality.
@gregcoogan8270
@gregcoogan8270 9 күн бұрын
Is the Orthodox, its not Rome bro!
@kimfleury
@kimfleury 10 күн бұрын
3 Hail Marys for your intentions, particularly for your marriage 🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻✝️
@charlesnunno8377
@charlesnunno8377 9 күн бұрын
BUT IT IS NOT "STANDING FIRM." Every Christian SECT and every SECT within a SECT, has it's unique derived EXCUSES for "divorce." EVERY ... SINGLE .... ONE.
@hailholyqueen
@hailholyqueen 9 күн бұрын
I'm sorry, but you're not hitting the Catholic teaching about marriage nail on the head.
@gergenskits3940
@gergenskits3940 6 күн бұрын
well, the KJV says specifically Formication. "putteth away his wife for fornication" and let us remember that in Jewish Custom of the time. a couple was betrothed or "espouse" (like Mary and Joseph) for about a year prior to the actual wedding ceremony. so if the Groom gets to the wedding night and finds his bride is not actually a virgin (she has fornicated) he would have legitimate cause to "put her away" or divorce her. Otherwise, divorce is NOT valid, and as the woman goes off on her own. she is unlikely to remain Celibate the rest of her life, especially in a culture from 2000 years ago. and is going to need to find a guy to take care of her. thus, the new union is Adulterous, as she belongs to the initial husband.
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