The Optimal Chair & Desk Height For Aiming

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[@jPulsive]

Honestly the most helpful video when it comes to sitting I’ve ever watched. Thank you I struggle getting comfortable while playing and I think that’s what holds me back I’m D1 in valorant now

[@TheMeta]

Thank you! Best of luck on the Valorant grind.

[@vikassharma7373]

What was your rank before that

[@i041]

@@vikassharma7373 diamond 3😭😭😭

[@sebirt]

Dude thank you! I went immortal 2 and after that i changed multiple things and i didnt notice this could be a major factor on that, and now finally i m able to aim

[@AM2K2]

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[@CausticBlaze]

Bought myself an aerobic step and an 8" stroke chair cylinder since my desk was a few inches too high for me and it worked wonders. I really appreciate this man, keep the vids coming.

[@daze4656]

Thanks, I got the ikea standing desk a few days ago. It has helped me understand my posture better. Good going.

[@FortunaXII]

The fastest easiest video about the topic I have ever seen and it actually fixed all my issues with my arm and shoulder pain. Thank you!

[@TheMeta]

Glad it helped!

[@jace8332]

dude, I am finding videos about these but this video helps me out and gives me one taps 5 deagle ace in csgo. this is helpful. cheers up and ty buddy! 😊

[@j3ff_k_610]

Something i have noticed recently is that the standard desk height of aprox 70cm - 75cm is too high for almost everybody. Now this is an easier problem to fix if you are shorter as you can raise the chair and get a foot rest but interestlingly and perheps counter intuatively its almost impossible to fix if you are tall. Im 6ft3 or 193cm. Now as most peiple will know your arm span from the tip of your middle finger to the tip of the opposite middle finger is usually exactly your height. Thus if you are taller, you will have longer arms and legs. This means that even with chair height maxed out i am not in the neutral position at a 70cm desk due to the length of my arm from shoulder to elbow. Even though my feet are still on the floor. Now when i use a desk that is 60cm to 66cm in height i can adjust the chair so tgat i am able to achieve a neautral position. So while it may seem counter intuitive if you are taller the problem may be that your desk is actually too high. The best bet by far is to get a 3 stage standing desk frame. These usually have a minimum height of 60cm and then adjust the desk and chair from there. Beware as notall standing desks are created equally and most two stage desks still have a minimum height of 71cm. So do your due diligence before you buy one...

[@pawelb791]

realised that was my problem too and I struggled with too high desk so long because everyone recomended 70+cm

[@CYNC33]

For those wanting an easier solution, don't necessarily need to change height frequently and maybe for a little cheaper, then the IKEA Bekant is a decent option. A few different sizes to choose from, it's adjustable but doesn't have a motor or anything so it's more of a set and forget sort of thing, but it does go as low as 64cm/65cm or so... Decent option to consider

[@AceofDlamonds]

It's your proportions that matter given two tall people. Someone with a longer torso has a higher seated position, upper arms being equal.

[@Keisuu]

@@CYNC33 got a IKEA Bekant and Im 184cm, what the best height for the table ? Cause I set my table around 70+cm but after watching the video it might be too high

[@SkreD]

So I'm fucked unless I change desks, got it.

[@jacobkeating3306]

This was helpful. I’ve been fretting this issue for a while-my desk is too high and I definitely feel it in my aim. I’ve been trying to work around it. I got a longer piston for my chair so I could sit higher, but that does cost me the support of having my feet on the ground. I could definitely get a step for my feet, but at the end of the day I just want to lower my desk. I also tried working around this by adopting the “raised arm” position you refer to at 1:54. I thought maybe it would be fine, but it really hurt my performance and felt restricted and strained. So, I guess I’ll be cutting my chair legs, but we’ll see.

[@Gadottinho]

same issue with me, man, I will try to cut my table's legs, lol, either that or buy a new one, and a new chair too, mine is almost broken :\

[@AceofDlamonds]

can't tell you how much this helped me.

[@CadeMcDonald-lb5yk]

Instantly got a top score in kovaaks 1w6ts small with this setup change. Thanks!

[@potapotapotapotapotapota]

I built my own height adjustable desk with the mechanical part from IKEA and a melamine top from Bunnings. It has lasted me a long time. Just make sure you get one that is thick enough for the screws to fit in. You get to decide how deep or long it is, within reason. I made sure my desk was really deep so that my monitor was a bit further away from my eyes to prevent near-induced transient myopia.

[@argenisbeltran76]

Great video, helped me choose and buy the right setup!

[@TheMeta]

Great to hear!

[@CyberVirtual]

I have been dealing with this for years and yeah I finally decided to chop it down the left side of my desk to lower the table to elbow height. Thank you so much for the help. On the strange side I decided to use my left hand/arm for my mouse to put less strain on my right shoulder.

[@CHIKI7AKA]

2:54 i see now i have to cut off 1 inch of my chair's legs thanks TEAM Meta

[@TheMeta]

A worthy sacrifice for spicy aim.

[@ruckusvd6006]

Great video!

[@kiayarah]

I'm new to pc gaming and this was very helpful!!!!! Thank you!!!!!

[@cthanus]

Thanks for this video, very helpful

[@TheKidt]

In my training I learned that the monitor has to be tilted down to the head. This also automatically moves your head down, which is healthier for your neck.

[@bogosbinted9965]

nice vid bro

[@KorvinTrujillo]

i’ve always struggled with this because i’m so short (5,3) finding a goof chair and desk is hard

[@bananaFPS]

is sitting criss cross apple sauce in my chair not optimal?

[@TheMeta]

Would need a throne to be able to try that!

[@N1TRO]

I usually have 3/4 of my forearm on the pad like you but my arm is slightly diagonally up with a clear gap around the wrist area and when i pull the mouse vertically and sometimes diagonally i tend to lift my arm off the table a bit. Seen a lot of similar videos but the way you explained it was actually really helpful.

[@MedvezhiyFarsh-Archeage]

so what a desition?

[@bobcobb158]

so this is why im not Pred in apex... ordering new gaming chair today

[@deathbox7386]

How did you go xD

[@valentinus87]

Thank you for the video, it is very helpful. i always feel not comfortable when i use my computer, i've just figured out that it is about my work desk height. Would you please tell me your desk height and your elbows's height to the floor for the correct sitting posture? I need to compare with mine. Thanks you again

[@najjoce]

Underrated

[@cyberbemon]

Welp, off I go to buy an adjustable desk!

[@Zygecks]

and then here I am with a non adjustable desk and the max height of my chair isn't enough to have a 90 degree angle

[@Liquiddy]

Rip my chair is too low

[@OGNLFL]

Mee too but put some pillows where u sit at it boost your hight

[@ajr4878]

Same, thinking of making a little platform to boost it vs buying a new desk

[@henry3397]

That’s almost always the case. Get an adjustable desk. One that can adjust from as low as 24”+ that should be plenty low enough. Up to a max of like 30”+ depending how tall you are

[@Donni_10]

after 2 years of trying this posture , I 100% can confirm that for me , it made my aim a lot worse and inconsistent , now i`m trying to go back to my old ( bad for my body) posture , sitting in a angle and lower than the video.

[@Asutere]

thanks!!!

[@Robsai]

I love you

[@TheMeta]

The feeling is mutual

[@elysium8404]

I followed the guide but my shoulder and arm are becoming quite sore, not sure if its because ive been sitting in a position with my desk too high up for many years or if I did something wrong.

[@N1TRO]

Will you ever do a video about elbow flare? I like a more flared elbow since it feels more comfortable and the forearm feels more flat. The elbow ROM also feels better for me. It's the one thing this video doesn't really cover so I would love to see your explanation ect, it might also be helpful to some people.

[@alzahelb6053]

Also just for health, I've got my desk too high for a long time and now I got huge pain in my trapeze muscle because they're never relaxed

[@Inconsistense]

Sorry for commenting on a video you made a while ago but I have a height adjustable chair and desk, I've watched this quite a few times now trying to get it right but I just can't seem to do it haha. I even checked on an ergo calculator which gave me an ideal height. I play inverted (don't hate me) and sometimes I've found that when I need to move my mouse lower on my pad my forearm kind of gets stuck on the edge of my desk and almost stops my mouse movement for a second, not sure if that makes sense.. it's fine if I am concentrating, but If I need to just move down on my pad quickly my forearm causes it to drag. Do you think this is caused by the desk being too high? Also i know in the video you said you don't want your forearm to list off when you move up, but is it normal to have a little bit of lift off, or should it be totally flat when moving to the top of your mousepad? Thanks!

[@ciccio.]

Do we have to calculate desk height while arm is parallel or already flattened?

[@wush2570]

If kovaak saw my setup he would go bald a second time

[@GodlyTecker]

Great video. What about the elbow? Should it be close to my body or more opened? Also, what if I can't get that close to my desk due to my chair not being able to get under it? Should I use less forearm or straighten my arm to have enough forearm on the desk?

[@TheMeta]

Good questions! The elbow simply needs to be in a comfortable position. If it's too close you get all bunched up and tight and if it's too far you lose stability and waste some range of motion. How far away is 'comfortable' will change depending on the person, someone skinny can likely have it closer to the body, but a bigger person will need to rest it further out. I have removed the arm rests from my chair for that exact reason as they hit the desk. If you can remove your arm rests that's a good fix. If that's not possible, either suggestions you provided could work, just not optimally.

[@GodlyTecker]

@@TheMeta Thank you very much!

[@SpaeroBorb]

When adjusting the height up to match your parallel position, should your arm be flared out the amount you normally have them when playing? Or should your elbow be snug with your sides? Great video btw!

[@TheMeta]

Yeah it should be the same during testing as well as playing. Importantly this should simply be where they sit naturally. You shouldn't need to force them in or out.

[@SpaeroBorb]

@@TheMeta thank you for the response!🙂

[@aaronbowen4516]

What's your desk height and what's your chair height? (Floor to top of cushion when not sitting on it)

[@sealteamz6]

I wonder if the difference in length between my shoulder and elbow is longer than the average person. For my to come close to assuming this posture and position I have to lower my adjustable height standing desk down to a point where the desk top is pushing on my quads and sit up extremely straight which isn't sustainable. I can get close but my elbow tends to rest slighty below the desk height which puts pressure on the underside of my forearm. Maybe I just need to get used to this but up until this point I have been using the arm rests aligned with my desk to support my entire forearm and elbow.

[@mk-19memelauncher65]

Same, I just have to flare my elbow out a bit

[@kopes28]

If anyone has a good chair and good desk combination in the comments please drop the names. Looking for where it allows them to have their feet still on the ground, but their desk is just the right height so the can use their arm perfect for aim. Rn my desk from a garage sale in 2016 is too high and my arm is forced to hang off my desk and I have it at an angle while using my wrist..... When I get in my zone and move my chair to a decent spot my aim can be nutty in CSGO and R6 and Warzone, but its not consistent.

[@Azza.10]

I heard you should raise chair then lower it till your feet are flat then raise the desk accordingly. Would that be an appropriate guide to follow as well as making the forearm level with the ground

[@yuji6385]

can you tell me a perfect tilt angle for low end monitor which doesn't have hieght adjustment

[@aaronthen5243]

I have a very short table, my chair has been lowered to the bottom but it still doesn't fit with my natural position and my hand is a bit higher than my natural position.it makes me very difficult for me to swap to the left. do you know how to fix it?

[@dannyhinrichs6876]

Nice seeing you play Spellbreak, haha. Can I ask you if you use higher sens for the game than in other shooters? I feel like all the movement and big flicks need higher mouse sensitivity.

[@TheMeta]

Around 34cm felt great in Spellbreak. Could certainly go higher if you were to play tempest or pyro. Conduit/Frost let you get away with lower sensitivities.

[@dannyhinrichs6876]

i just calculated mine and it's 33.5 cm/360 :D feels right for tox

[@TheMeta]

@@dannyhinrichs6876 Looks like we've got it all figured out.

[@ceo_of_jews]

@@TheMeta whats the sens and dpi?

[@TheMeta]

@@ceo_of_jews 925 DPI (set to 900 but mice have DPI drift, the 925 is measured with the sensitivity matcher tool) and 0.03564 sens set in the config. This video covers the entering the sens in the config - kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2q7XqKPirSenMU

[@johnaustin9231]

I have a callouses now on my wrist because of super high desk

[@stefanpetrovic105]

my arms are super long, so I can't tuck myself into the desk due to the armrests if I want to be at that 90 degrees, what do i do?

[@shuramixu]

The part of the forearm and wrist has to be glued to the table. I have low arm sensitivity, sometimes when I make flicks or quick movements I feel like I raise my arm a little.

[@Chris-op7yt]

i finally ditched the arm rests of my chair.

[@eclipse9579]

What do i do if i have a laptop? if i’m in the optimal position my mouse will have too little space to move to the left because of how straight my arm is. if i try to put my mouse in the middle of my mousepad, i’ll have a raised elbow

[@6goblin994]

hello kovaaks, do you have any good reccomendatins for height adjustable desks that are as cheap as possible on amazon preferable, thanks

[@bptoe]

guess im just short then. my desk is at its lowest and my chair is at its highest and i still feel like its too high- and yet, i had it perfect just the other day but now my aim is gone.

[@Cokanut]

just got an adjustable desk and the minimum height feels to high, if I move my chair up any further my legs touch the bottom of the desk it seems like no matter what I do there's to much pressure on my forearm causing pain

[@FahimPlayz]

what if my tables too high and my chair doesnt go that high

[@nickskep]

I am surprised you are flushed against the back rest. I feel like my sim is off if I am not completely upright. But do you think about this?

[@Pikaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

I have to keep adjusting my table because of my chair sinking problem it really sucks but good vid

[@zat-svi-ua]

just change the gas lift, cheap and easy

[@joshuajones3557]

What kind of chair do you use? I have a problem with my current chair-the arms are not adjustable, and they don't allow me to scooch up close enough to my desk where my torso is touching the desk like yours. They also block my arms from moving as freely on the desk while playing. Do you think it would be best to get a chair with no arms at all? Perhaps you could even make a whole video on this issue.

[@thepainfultruth2863]

Hey bud I saw you said your desk is 71cm but how tall are you? I'm asking because after seeing your video along with Ron Rambo Kim's, I'm making changes to my setup as my desk is currently 78cm high and causing my some shoulder issues. So I'm getting a carpenter to lower to to around 69-71cm. Assuming my chair and monitor are all aligned correctly I should aim to have the desk in line with my naval or just above? Sorry for all the questions, im very OCD about positioning and so on. Thank you for all the invaluable guides you put out, they really help, all I can say is please make more:)

[@TheMeta]

190cm, and the top of the desk is about in-line with the naval. I imagine that's not a particularly safe rule of thumb to go by though, everyone's physiology is different.

[@Gadottinho]

I threw some blanked on top of my chair for me to sit and be higher up and it feels so much better to aim with my arm closer to a 90 degree angle, before it was like 150 degrees, it was terrible, the problem is that my table is not adjustable, and at this height of chair I cant even put my feet on the ground... guess I need to buy a new desk and chair :\ (my chair is already braking and I would buy a new one, so getting a new spring for my existing one isn't really worth it.)

[@justinwrld6473]

Great video could you make video how to improve you’re aim with the mouse and how to hold it correctly for beginner

[@TheMeta]

We have a video on the mouse grip here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGi5eGd8d5yiidU As for aiming in general, the 'aiming essentials' series is quite helpful here - themeta.com/blog?offset=1587694063770

[@GunXun]

what's the dimension you're using for the desk + height! been looking for a comfortable desk to use in my DIY studio.

[@TheMeta]

The desk dimensions are 150x75cm. From table surface to floor is 74cm with the chair set so I can sit with legs at a 90 degree angle

[@GunXun]

@@TheMeta much appreciated.

[@jitau5219]

what do you do when you feel uncomfortable in your own body, my arms just don’t feel right and feel disconnected from the sockets and when i move my arm for aiming it just doesn’t feel right, it was never like this but has been for past 2 years

[@TB_SnEaKy]

This while time I've had part of my arm on the armrest of the titan xl and the rest on the table. I'm going to try full table , plus will be closer to the monitor. I feel like a dummy lol

[@lburi]

What desk is that

[@WalrusHal]

Is there any reason why using the index and middle finger on the mouse buttons is an improvement over using the index and ring finger? I've been using the latter for many years thinking it is not only the most optimal but also the most ergonomic position for the hand to be in.

[@TheMeta]

With a 1-3-1 grip as you suggest, the pinky side of the mouse isn't well supported as it's comparatively weak and poorly oriented compared to the thumb on the opposite side. A 1-2-2 grip provides more support with two fingers helping grip the mouse. In general the middle finger is more dexterous so I would expect it to be better at hitting M2 compared to the ring finger. Not to say 1-3-1 can't be done or shouldn't be done, but the explanation above likely describes why most people use 1-2-2.

[@user-mv6yj7wn1r]

Hey, man i am looking for a mesh gaming chair but i cannot seem to find one that is not flimsy or very expensive(herman miller). I was wondering what chair you use?

[@karolkonieczka]

I have my desk after my grandfather, it weights around 200 -300kg and is 15cm thick. No matter how i set up my chair i will never have good position so usually the friction between my arm and mouse pad is high and it lowers my ability to aim properly...

[@nervz]

people alway say to have your eyes level with the top of the monitor, and be an arms length away from your monitor. Is this the "best" for kovaaks, or is being closer/farther/higher/lower from your monitor better?

[@TheMeta]

Good question, will have to look into that. Have typically used the eyes at top, arm length away method for healthy ergonomics in the past.

[@alihussen5157]

My arm slides around the pad with little friction and i dont feel any pain. The desk is slightly higher than neutral. Is that right?

[@raimiits1888]

What chair do you have?

[@bobbyshmurdastoe8703]

I swear my desk is too high I have to nearly max out my secret lab Titan to get close to the right position and then I’m on my tippy toes 😂

[@sentinalo]

Unfortunately I can't get my position to the optical position that I wanted since my adjustable chair technically has levels and isn't exact as your table, do you know that adjustable table that was being used so I can possibly buy one?

[@TheMeta]

This table used some mechanized legs from ebay which are no longer listed, and the tabletop is a 150x75cm one from Ikea.

[@ImMaramAtt]

I'm struggiling with this matter as well. I have a normal desk but I can adjust my height with a gaming chair. If I go high I can feel my hand light and easy to move. If I go low my hand gets heavier and movement become slow on the same mouse sens. If I were to measure it by which part of my body should the table hit (my belly button) would be that the right height?

[@Azza.10]

Late but i heard the desk should be in line with belly button as a general rule of thumb

[@HexxuSz]

​@@Azza.10yeeet that is way too high for me

[@Chuha97]

How do you even aim well while fully leaned backward?

[@remyk456]

I have been gaming for many years, I can never find a comfy position. I mean it might be that my chair is at max height. I’ve just messed with the table height. My shoulders and arms are screwed.

[@CodyTokumoto]

What about the proper distance your mouse arm should be from your body? It’s weird because when I’m swiping from neutral to my right, everything is fine and aligned. When I swipe to my left though, my wrist comes up off my pad, and I can feel my shoulder torque. Very, very weird. I have my arm about shoulder width out from my body. I used to exaggerate the position and my mouse arm would be much further from my body. This of course led to shoulder pains. I just can’t seem to find that nice sweet spot for my own setup :/

[@TheMeta]

Trying to replicate what you are describing, and it seems to only happen if the desk is too high up. Do you think that could be the case?

[@tobiasniggl]

@@TheMeta same with me. My desk is too high so you Are right. Do you mind me asking what your Desk is in the video? I need a new one.

[@Estocolmo97]

What chair do you use

[@jamesbroderick5311]

Should I lower my sensitivity, then?

[@KokoroKatsura]

have supertall unadjustable table, chair is at max height since 2o16 unless hand saw it otherwise it will fuck it up

[@gavin9174]

i have my wrist at the edge of the desk.

[@jiuodm2018]

What desk is that?

[@jings3353]

bro, he has a better gaming chair / desk than me

[@vexmj1404]

what table is that?

[@pacosmosis7532]

Im a person that has his arm on the chest lvl, and it’s the best for me, I need to change it or leave it in the way that it works better for me?

[@TheMeta]

If it's comfortable and you perform well on it there probably isn't any good reason to change it up. If you have never tried the more neutral setup then it's worth a shot, if it doesn't feel better or requires too many changes to your gear you can easily just swap back to your normal position.

[@nightell4099]

my arms are too long and my legs are too thick somehow this angle is physically impossible for me.

[@Knitrokr]

hey koovaks please make a low end pc fps boost it lags in my chromebook. i have this .i paid :)

[@zashinunes8191]

On the end of the day, what is the ideal table height to avoid these problems? I am thinking of buying one

[@TheMeta]

That would depend on your height and your chair's height. Ideally having an adjustable desk and a chair with decent height adjustments is the way to go if possible.

[@zashinunes8191]

@@TheMeta A height-adjustable one is very expensive, taking that into account, ideally a desk with a minimum of what height? Taking into account that it is for a person of average height My current desk hurts my arm a lot while training my aim, it makes me extremely confused about which would be ideal to buy excluding the adjustable ones

[@zashinunes8191]

@@TheMeta I don't wanna to buy one, and having the same pain while aiming

[@Natboy23]

What can I do about chair arms getting in the way?

[@rea280]

I would remove them if possible or consider buying a new chair.

[@blockin9556]

do you use the arm rests? and does any of your arm/wrist touch the desk while using mouse?? please respond

[@TheMeta]

No, in fact I have completely removed my arm rests to help get them out of the way. This video actually covers some commentary on that topic kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZPHdIp6arSWgdE Forearm and wrist both touch the desk when aiming. Hovering takes a lot of effort and reduces control/stability.

[@6goblin994]

is sitting like u did right upto the desk the most optimal or 10cm away or so

[@TheMeta]

The main goal is to have around half or more of your forearm on the desk. Being closer to the desk makes this easier. Body type will play a part too, if someone is very skinny and have contact with the desk, most of the their forearm will be on the table. Alternatively, being in contact with the desk with a big belly may only have 30%~ of the forearm on the desk.

[@6goblin994]

@@TheMeta ty bro im skinny and tall and sit right upto desk now so chest on it and over 50% of forearm on it and sometimsmy entire forearm is on it for some long forward flicks as i got rlly long arms xd

[@adityadaswani293]

I have my non adjustable desk at the height of 30 inches. I have an adjustable chair. Its max height is 27 inches. After 22 inches of chair's height the arm rest start to make problems because the chair would get stuck because of arm rests and wouldn't go further. Any solutions?

[@Pennycott5]

Remove arm rest ?

[@adityadaswani293]

@@Pennycott5 if i will remove the arm rest the chair will lean backwards. Like arm rest is the support for keeping the chair in straight aligned position.

[@amaanwaraich300]

This always happened to me while playing fortnite sometimes my aim was so accurate like pros but just after i stand up to get water or something and then i come back and dont sit in the same postion like i did before i just keep missing my shots and if i accidentally gets into that position again my aim would get better again

[@daltonjohnson3289]

Same what did you do this is my exact problem

[@dubbog7870]

did you fix this problem and how?

[@dubbog7870]

@@daltonjohnson3289 what about you?

[@daltonjohnson3289]

@@dubbog7870 nothing Still happens

[@road28]

The exact same thing happens to me, I don't know what to do

[@PurrkourCat]

Question what if my chair can't go down and my desk can't either

[@TheMeta]

A chair booster is about your only option there!

[@brandonramkissoon3432]

Guys check this out when your legs are crossed or not flat on the floor my aim is ass try it out and see for yourself if it’s a universal problem

[@MiroGoldstein]

what is that chairs name ?

[@crimsontrigger3632]

i have weirdly long arms and torso ratio that reach down to my thighs in a sited position , lol i have to compromise

[@raghavjod]

I just use 2 pillow on my chair 💀💀

[@ndb5jd9w_xw]

same, my ass hurts though because the pillows are firm af

[@r-reyh8757]

my question is.. do we have to sit close to desk and the desk touch our stomach?

[@TheMeta]

That would depend on how much of your forearm you wanted to sit on the desk. The closer you are the further forward your forearm is which typically improves your control. Sitting further back can lead to you resting your wrist on the edge of the desk which isn't great for aiming, and also leads to injury. Our arm aiming guide goes over some of this information in more detail - kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZPHdIp6arSWgdE

[@jace8332]

hey bro does your table height is in the middle of belly button or upper belly button and also idk how do you stand straight while placing your whole arm in the table

[@TheMeta]

Just above it, but I imagine that would change greatly between people. Better to judge the position by where the arms and shoulders naturally sit. To clarify, I am sitting down for this position and if getting most of the arm onto the table is difficult, slightly angling your setup can be a great help. So instead of facing directly at your desk, you are facing a few degrees to the left.

[@jace8332]

@@TheMeta ok brother, thank you very much for your help again!

[@f4rs0t]

@@TheMeta so you belly button is just below desk level? i was using above desk level

[@LonelyGamr]

my desk too high