The Optimal Mouse Grip for Aiming

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[@lebronzejames9738]

Thank you so much for this, finding a comfortable grip on a mouse has always been a struggle for me, thanks for showing the touching points, especially the knuckles (2-3) I needed this!

[@brandonjohannes7919]

There is a weakness I have found after using the optimal grip for about 3 years, and that would be needing to micro down. I have since transferred to a fingertip grip, but pushing my mouse at a diagonal with my thumb, so the mouse can be stable on the right side of my palm. I found this grip provides me with consistency, and better control towards my weaker sides. The downside with this grip is that you lose a little micro to the right side, but for me that is fine because it is my most consistent and accurate side. The point is that everyone is different and there is no such thing as an optimal grip, but rather you should tailor your grip so it can accommodate your weaknesses in your aim while maintaining a natural and comfortable feel.

[@TheMainEvnt601]

That’s good input bro. Salute.

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

For me, In this grip (With a mixed aim style, AKA wrist and arm aimming) my arm and wrist just don't move together well, I hit places where im "stuck" while tracking but when im in the range where its good its GOOD. Thing is, there are just certain things i can't do that i want to (especially in aim trainers) where i just don't have the range of motion to do them. I feel limited and don't like that. I notice in a weird type of "finger tip / claw" grip i use, where the whole back of my palm is off of the mouse i can move everywhere and anywhere without any "stuck feeling", But i just can't figure out why because its really not much of a change compared to the old claw grip i was using. Im guessing its some sort of bio mechanical issue where something just "opens up" when i switch to the new grip. It seems i don't sacrifice any control and only gain with this grip, but because im so "free" i end up out of my "optimal" ranges alot more and end up playing with my mouse at the very bottom of my mouse pad instead of the middle where it is with the other grip, I guess it just means i need to make the whole mouse pad my "opitmal range" but thats the only "hit" to my aim ive noticed.

[@netzoned]

Basically, your point is, every person will not totally benefit from the same/grip/position. Hence, there is no such thing as an "optimal mouse grip". I agree! I said up there in an OP: "First, the best mouse grip is actually having a mouse that fits in your hand well, to perfectly." I use a claw/tip grip. (I am right-handed.) My arm/hand points slighty to the left, which positions my mouse pointing a little to the left. For me, that allows a FAST perfect horizontal swipe from left/right and right/left. Also, my sensitivity is set up so as to only move my wrist. Little things can make a difference for each individual. For instance, if most people tested their movement distance, a right-hander may see that flicking 180 from center to left involves less mouse movement than flicking 180 from center to right. That was true for me. So, I taught myself to 180 flick left. (Of course, I may still flick right here and there.) Also, many people drag their pinky (or pinky tip) on their pad and don't even realize it. That was also true for me. I broke that habit by taping my pinky and third finger together. Heh heh! I don't do that anymore, but now that's not a problem for me. Different things can make a difference for each individual. As you pointed out, there may be pros and cons, but the point remains.

[@netzoned]

@@WorldKeepsSpinnin OK, I don't know if I can really help you. I mean, I bet my whole setup is different from the standard consensus. So, I will just write whatever. The main things people seem to be focused on now are grip, DPI, report rate, and low latency. (That, also in regards to system latency, FPS, and frame time.) Me, I have an old G-900: 1600 DPI; 1000 polling rate; no pointer precision. ASIDE: I never max FOV. I probably set in-game sensitivity higher than most people regarding and in relation to everything else. I do that to minimize mouse movement as much as possible but without over-shooting. I use my grip/wrist to move/aim. It's so rare my mouse comes off the pad I don't even think it ever does. From what I read, and I read it more than once, what seems to hinder you is too much mouse movement/distance. I don't know your system specs, but I can suggest - and maybe this is already true - whatever your monitor native resolution and refresh rate is, make sure your system/game supplies the FPS that equals the refresh rate. Depending, it may matter if it goes over. There are things to consider regarding that: Any kind of sync such as g-sync and vsync. Do you use the driver control panel, or not, for each game? Is your GPU usage at 99%? Do you use a frame limiter, such as RivaTuner. There is a lot to look into. Have you already set up everything the best you can regarding system latency, FPS, frame time, mouse DPI, polling rate, and in-game mouse sensitivity? You can also figure out how to correspond settings to different games so they match from game to game, so you are not good in one game and lacking in another because of different _feel._ You may already know all about everything, but since you did not mention it, I threw it out there.

[@Jason-ip6wq]

Don’t care didn’t ask claw is the best

[@dawsonchan670]

Had a issue with finding a proper mouse grip for years. Tried every type of grip, mouse and mouse pads. finally found a perfect grip for myself from this video. man feels good

[@levelzz5553]

man, thank you alot, you can't imagine the way you just helped me right now, I instantly improved my flicks by that vídeo and the other about flicking, I already had a really ok/good tracking but poor flicking and it helped me alot

[@peep1518]

I used to use the optimal grip but since everybody used palm grip i switched big mistake. Usualy people just say that each grib has pros and cons but they dont list them. Thank you really helped my accuracy went up by around 5 % and my worst accuracy stabled at around 50%

[@Clanps]

I'll have to give this a try

[@subjecttochange9320]

I've pondered mouse grip for years as well, and recently I've kinda had a breakthrough I think. I also used to "anchor" my mice around the ringfinger knuckle part of the palm, or at least tried to because with many mice it's real awkward to do so as you probably know. I think I started out like that because the Logi G403 was my first mouse used in shooters and its pronounced hump made that grip possible and comfortable, but in turn I developed a kind of aversion to mice touching the fleshy part at the base of the thumb. For years I encountered mice that just wouldn't work right, like the Roccat Kone Pro which was an otherwise gorgeous mouse but I just couldn't unlock its full aiming potential with my grip as it was. So a couple weeks back I took the plunge and started anchoring it at the fleshy part of my palm (so, only rly the lower left part of the mouse touches my palm) and lo and behold, something just clicked in my brain when the mouse was more "to the left" within my hand. I found better spots for my pinky and Ringfinger, it was overall much less exhausting to use for a couple hours at a time, it didn't continually recede back into my palm when holding it like this (big issue with many mice without a juicy hump in the back when shoving them into your palm's right side), and somehow the position of the sensor within my hand was more in sync with how my hand moved in response to what was seen on screen. Wiggle room was still plenty, maybe even a little higher because of how stretchy the new anchor point is. That opened up a number of mice that it'd just written off and I can only recommend everyone to experiment with wildly different ways to position mice within the hand because you never know which combination works out with your particular hand shape & size.

[@supisal3401]

Likewise bruva, I still have a few issues when pulling my mouse down into this fleshy part of my thumb where sometimes the fleshy part will almost obstruct or even get caught underneath the mouse when playing, does any of your knuckles touch the mouse with the new style? thanks for your insight man

[@hawkeye3160]

This is the comment I needed, I have struggled for almost 2 years now switching and changing my grip style and I have been down the exact path you were I used to anchor with the right side of my lower palm and noticed inconsistency. I started using the fleshy part of my thumb although weird at first I really felt like i had control of where my sensor was going. My only issue now is that its gets a bit sticky and sometimes the skin of my thumb begins to go under my mouse and pinch me. Thank you for backing up my belief that this grip can work for other people.

[@subjecttochange9320]

@@supisal3401 I think it depends on the mouse, but not really, maybe one with a particularly high hump like the G403, or probably a Zowie ZA would (conjecture because I never owned one) Btw I currently main the Cooler Master MM731 because of its courageous departure from the Zowie EC ergo shape and especially the more forward sensor if you're wondering (beware of the gnarly Software though lmao. luckily you can set and forget about it for the most part, unless you like to switch binds around all the time)

[@subjecttochange9320]

@@hawkeye3160 Happy I could help fellow gamers with this :)

[@danielmiller5277]

I actually do a weird holding style, I do palm grip, but my fingertips are raised just enough, so I can make micro adjustments, mostly used for spraying in csgo

[@THE_REAL_CAPT3N]

A strange thing happened to me where my hand seemed to force evolve my grip for me. I had been comfortably playing something of a loose fingertip grip on a small mouse (UL2) with larger hands (20x10 cm) for a while (with good results) until suddenly my hand just didn't like the grip anymore. I would feel like I couldn't hold my mouse right. And then the only grip that started to feel good (could still aim well and hold the mouse securely) was the optimal/claw grip you've highlighted.

[@alvarovilela6698]

I use a palm grip, changed my grip to this one to go through my KovaaK's playlist today. I just got new highscores in all scenarios by a significant margin. It also feels like it doesn't tense my arm up as hard as the palm grip. Thank god for this video lol.

[@r4nowo]

Nice but you probably want to look into to a new mouse though. A mouse you can palm grip isn't very specialized for claw/optimized.

[@alvarovilela6698]

@@r4nowo I did change a few months ago to a more versatile mouse. From a G402 to a Logitech G Pro Wireless. The G402 was kind of weird to hold unless you use a palm grip and the G Pro suits pretty much every grip.

[@Kyloxvi]

Naturally my hand fits over my mouse like this! Thanks for letting me know I’m not doing anything wrong lol

[@jnzed94]

Can you make a video talking about mouse shapes? Optimal, pros and cons of humps, etc?

[@ailurii]

Well apparently I’ve been using the right wrist placement and mouse grip subconsciously since I first switched to MnK a few weeks ago. No wonder my aim already felt so smooth and consistent despite being so new to using a mouse for FPS.

[@thecheneral97]

I grip my mouse with basically a fingertip grip but i also push the mouse's back left corner into the meat of my thumb so it's a 6 point grip.

[@bablu2227]

Same here 😳😳

[@cyborg3780]

same

[@dallincory7287]

I used this mouse and literally the same mouse grip before I watched this video. I think its because of the glorious model o that i use and that it is too big for fingertip grip so I balance it with a claw hybrid. The knuckes are kind of for support (atleast in my experience).

[@imflavo]

Straight to point and good content. Amazing as always Kovaak :D

[@cfjlkfsjf]

I always seem to change grips between claw and 2 types of finger tips...1 where it's like shown in the video and the other a more relaxed and only the tips of my fingers touch while the rest of my hand has a huge gap from the mouse so it's like I am pushing the mouse away. I can't palm grip, my hand just doesn't work that way...too awkward.

[@okaoki]

Controller players: Hmmm..... interesting

[@nrkapa]

Imagine playing competitive shooter games with a controller

[@pablotherobloxadventurer4621]

@@nrkapa I'm not sure but maybe some people do that because they practiced their aim on controller without aim assist for a long time.

[@mrsxber1916]

@@pablotherobloxadventurer4621 its literally impossible to be as good on controller like mouse

[@tobinontoaster4344]

Me 😂

[@callmeacutekitten3317]

@@nrkapa snipe down would know

[@eakmadashma]

Luckily this is the natural grip I use when I switched from console to pc. Although it was subconsciously influenced cause I saw that most good aimers played a sort of claw fingertip hybrid in handcams it quickly became natural because I had no prior experience with a mouse.

[@Lucky-eg3ro]

i completely agree with you, i also switched from console to PC and it just felt natural

[@kneecapp9186]

Better to be a well read beginner than someone with long standing bad habits

[@not_exodus9537]

@@kneecapp9186 2k hours of cs go I fall into the second category Sometimes i aim really good other times i cannot get 1 kill

[@f4rs0t]

I think that the optimal one looks like a pincer claw grip. Using and loving it

[@Divinity_vA]

Palm contact = carpal stab claw , but okay.

[@therealone7873]

i tried doing different finger positioning or even slightly less curve but cant seem to find comfort. maybe its my mouse (razer deathadder v2) thats just not fit for my hand. edit: i had to force my hand to get used to it but after a while i was able to do a slight adjustment and it has the perfect balance of comfort and aim potential. TYSM

[@Hob2Goblino]

I’m literally giving up playing m and k. I have incredibly large hands (23 L 12.5 w). I’ve tried the deathadder v2 from a friend, g403, g903, g502. Nothing fits and aiming feels incredibly awkward. I try clawing fingertip etc but I just don’t have that feeling that I have full control of my crosshair. If only companies would give ppl like me an option for a suitable mouse. ( btw I have 400 hours in kovaaks so I’m totally convinced that my hand size is holding me back in terms of aim) Update: finally found the mouse I needed. It’s the Corsair rgb pro wireless. I have no idea how it fits me perfectly and my aim feels natural and smooth af. Srsly for guys that have big ass hands this is a must buy if you want to have good aim

[@TheMeta]

That's a tough situation! Deathadder v2 is quite large, shame that wasn't a good fit. The hand in the video is 20.5 L 10.5 W and the Model D feels great if that provides any perspective at all. This blog may be helpful for you -themeta.com/blog/2020/8/27/optimising-your-mouse-width-with-a-simple-mod

[@Sharkcomet]

Have you tried shroud's G303? It looks very chunky and it's actually pretty light.

[@gemvii13yearsago83]

THANKS A LOT my KPM in aim botz increase from 85.73 to 92.17 due to this tutorial, nice vid man 👍

[@GlideorDieSwimbaits]

ur name tripped me out 💀

[@petarbrlek3278]

alternative title: relaxed claw showcase

[@JessicaFEREM]

I think my Dark Core mouse was made for this grip, as it's very narrow, but fills your palm easily.

[@thebulletkin8393]

Do you keep your wrist planted on the mat as you move, and have it behave like a pivot point? I’m terrible at micro adjustments, and will often overflick short distances. Could doing that help?

[@Emobearcat]

Welp I know why my micro-adjustments were too sloopy, thanks for the vid

[@user-hq6nw7py1x]

this was the grip I used when i didn't know the types of grips of mouse XP T o T

[@poionic6692]

Could you offer some advice on how to best use this grip on a GPro Wireless mouse?

[@honorabilis1]

it feels restrictive to me for vertical but more stable overall guess im used to middle finger resting on mouse wheel just little finger gripping side

[@gormikayelyan9793]

I recently switched to Vaxee NP01 and I naturally gripped the mouse this way.

[@Frowoggo]

someohow i am not able to replicate the optimal mouse grip shown in this video. i don't know what i do wrong but it just feels off. personally i use fingertip and it's been working really well for me but even with fingertip i struggle with micro-movements. got any tipps for me? i already play on a low sensitivity (for reverence: 400dpi 9vert, 9hor in rainbow six siege)

[@jace8332]

wait is the optimal grip is like claw grip or hybrid grip (relaxed claw)? let me know. ty

[@BlizzardWind99]

omg I've been using relaxed claw grip this entire time I thought I was using fingertip and also I can't use palm tip as my fingers cannot breathe and get uncomfortable after some time

[@nawtmyrealnamelol]

idk how important grip really is, i just do whatever feels comfortable and gives me higher scores. Works for static dots and valorant at least

[@schizballs]

Idk why I have the same grip but my pinky and ring finger are straight and I want them to be bent but it just feels weird

[@shauns5740]

Something I’ve always wondered is how do you plant your wrist when having your arm on the desk, my arm usually raises from the edge of the desk?

[@m1rac1e]

wow i didnt realize i should have my palm in contact with the back of the mouse. grip feels much more stable now

[@kee2484]

How tightly should I grip the mouse if I don’t grip hard enough I usually don’t have enough tension for accurate flicks

[@bayzidrahman7227]

My hand size is 19.3cm (long) and 9.4cm wide. What mouse would work best for me if I used the relaxed claw grip?

[@jeremybarillasmorataya8419]

I just switched to the optimal grip and it's the best mouse grip I have ever used like I can one tap people more easily on valorant

[@christophs.4645]

this grip works well for me so far. what i don't fully understand is if you say you can microadjust with your fingers, does the mouse still touch your palm when doing so? because if i move the mouse forward with my fingers while my wrist stays planted on the mousepad, the mouse doesn't touch my palm anymore and i lose a lot of stability and control. if i on the other hand just adjust a few mm so the mouse still is in contact with my palm, i can only go for very very small adjustments and they happen mostly by pushing the mouse further into my palm as opposed to pushing it away. so i'm not sure how to approach this problem and would be thankful for any advice.

[@TheMeta]

It only works for very small adjustments like aiming from upper chest to head. The sensitivity you use will also impact the magnitude of these adjustments. Vertical aiming will generally require some arm/hand movements.

[@lilblanco7318]

I try to use fingertip grip but without noticing my hand naturally moves into a claw grip. Should I just use claw?

[@kotyii5343]

I gripped the mouse with my upper part of my palm, so this grip feels weird but I like it.

[@pangrattato1047]

I can't use this grip because the shape of my mouse doesn't allow it and I have a big hand, there are other grips I can use? (can't buy another mouse)

[@elmhurstenglish5938]

The optimal grip has the mouse sit against the base of your hand...so you can extend your fingers to aim up, but how do you aim down easily? The only reason it looks like you can vertically aim down is because you extended your fingers outwards (up) first, i.e., resetting your fingers back in will bring crosshair back to center position. From the optimal position, how do you aim down?

[@TheMeta]

In the neutral position (not aiming up or down) there is some room to pull the mouse into the palm, pressing into the recess and against the skin. If it's a larger downward aiming movement your entire arm would move down.

[@efeilhan3269]

Nice vid ı will try some time and come back to this for rewiewing

[@synkra4836]

Which finger betwen the pinky and ring finger helps to suport with movement ?

[@user-cl3tw3ng6m]

It’s help me A lot thanks bro

[@xzs1604]

i just thought this was how you hold it when i was 3 and ive never changed and im good at basically any fps or just aim games

[@wh0isdis580]

We got about the same hand size , and I've always used fingertip . Using a razer viper atm and I can't, for the life of me , find a good position for my fingers to sit at without straining my entire hand :C

[@michelsoccio1082]

Any suggestion for big hands and a Logitech g305

[@cussy3328]

how long does it usually take to adjust to a new grip style ?

[@Robsai]

I love kovaak

[@3Runner95]

I'm already using the "optimal" grip, very pog. But i feel like fingertip is superior once mastered

[@f4rs0t]

Should i force my thumb palm part against the mouse or more a bit firm/loose press against the thumb palm part?

[@magical5181]

It’s just preference

[@SianaGearz]

Which mice are suitable for this sort of grip with a 15cm small hand? There are a lot of smaller office mice especially Hama Torino that feel comfy to me but no gaming performance mice. Currently using the Logi g300 but unhappy with the shape. One of the limitations I have is ring finger and pinky injury on my left hand so I prefer to have extra buttons on my mouse.

[@braxtonscarbrough5713]

i would look into the zowie za13c or razer viper mini/orochi

[@LifeisGood-ye8rl]

Crouching tiger claw vs Buddha palm vs freiza finger beam

[@itsgameroclock6101]

As a long time wrist aimer and fingertip gripper, how do you look up and down much with the optimal grip? Doesn't it just hit your palm? How do you look straight down without it hitting your palm before you even look at the ground?

[@TheMeta]

There is some room for small vertical aiming adjustments within the palm, but any larger movements you move your forearm.

[@siriousg]

Is your wrist planted on the pad for this or is slightly elevated?

[@TheMeta]

It's in contact with the pad, but it's not planted. It slides around when i'm aiming.

[@jt3049]

I dont really use the back of my hand as an anchor point, instead I place my palm on top of the bump. Are the any draw backs to this?

[@TheMeta]

If your wrist is hovering with that setup then you lose a lot of control, particularly over smaller aiming movements. Typically you don't want to be applying much force downwards into the mousepad which might be a problem if your palm is on top of the bump. Not saying you need to change what you are doing, but those are a few things to look out for.

[@elite8184]

I have trouble using my fingertips when i wanna make small adjustments do you have any advice on that? 17cm 9.5cm is my hand size and i use claw my mouse is the xm1.

[@TheMeta]

Best not to overthink it, the fingertip movements usually aren't dramatic, and they complement simultaneous wrist/arm movements rather than move independently.

[@tacomn]

@@TheMeta Yeah what Kovaak said, remember your finger muscles are almost all controlled by your forearm muscles and tendons and then running down to your fingers. So think of you using these muscles in tandem with your fingers, this is true for always and even when it seems your hand and wrist are stationary.

[@dirtyd2162]

Is that a model D-? I independently just started trying this 'anchored fingertip' palm hybrid where my ring and pinky are seated to the knuckle because my model o- felt really uncomfortable. I just ordered my D- yesterday and was wondering whether that was it or the Regular D.

[@TheMeta]

Mouse in the video is the regular Model D, hand size is 20.5x10.5.

[@teddythodo3302]

Maybe you can help me. I’m pretty much using the same grip. But I feel my pinky and thumb are in contact with the mouse pad, and I feel as though my wrist is fully anchoring and I’m mainly relying on my range on motion from there- which is wrist and fingers for the micro adjustments.. however that works well for static dots and target switching. But for tracking, I’m sort of doing this palm type, arm aiming thing where nothing is in contact with the mouse pad and I’m just touching the mouse only. It feels like I’m holding the target in my hands when I do this. Should I stick to one way? With my static dots grip I’m super shaky and inconsistent with speed tracking, I’ll be slow and then fast. But when I use palm and arm, I can control the tracking better.

[@TheMeta]

Wouldn't recommend planting the wrist, or having a floating arm while tracking. Ideally you'll still have your wrist and forearm in contact with the pad, you just slide it around as you aim. If your arm sticks to the pad you may want to look at getting a sports sleeve to reduce the friction.

[@teddythodo3302]

@@TheMeta great so I’m 0/2 in proper technique and I’ve been training and playing FPS for a year now lol am I totally ruined ?

[@Frosty_V0]

Does the back of your palm or hand of your hand touch the mousepad? I don’t know what to do because when there is humidity it leads to it sticking.

[@TheMeta]

Yeah your wrist should touch the mousepad. As for beating humidity, we actually have a blog on the topic that you may find quite helpful - themeta.com/how-checking-humidity-can-help-with-inconsistent-aim/

[@GameXzpt]

thanks bro its really smoothly bro can u give us tutorial how to get best sitting for mouse accel ? thanks alot

[@chinguspingus6256]

off

[@GameXzpt]

@@chinguspingus6256 thanks

[@Ayva_K]

is it called relaxed claw?

[@MrRake-jk5dq]

I have a claw-fingertip hybrid grip. Meaning that my fingers are arched as in a claw grip, but there is zero palm contact. As a result, I struggle with stability issues. I have a Model O Wireless, G305 and a GPW Clone and I find it so hard to touch the palm to the back of the mouse. Any tips?

[@TheMeta]

Having it physically touch the center of your palm isn't really viable or necessary for many mice. You are primarily gripping the mouse with the knuckles of your pinky and thumb. Your fingers apply a small amount of force to pull the mouse into the back of your palm (even though it doesn't touch) which keeps things feeling stable and secure. Can't really see the benefit of having arched fingers for claw grip as that makes things feel less stable as you typically want your m1/m2 to be as low to the table as possible.

[@MrRake-jk5dq]

@@TheMeta Yes, I've recently been trying to extend my index and middle finger towards the front of the mouse more and it does feel a bit stable, but micro-adjustments get sightly restricted. I'm not used to longer mice, so let's see how it ends up.

[@Rafoz_03]

Is the grip i always used from almost one year ago😂

[@elite8184]

Would it be fine to use your knuckles as resting your hand on the mouse? or could that increase the chance or wrist injuries.

[@TheMeta]

Having trouble picturing what you mean, sorry.

[@Zymo__]

This grip hurts my thumb a lot, only switching to higher dpi (4800) helps.

[@daze4656]

thanks

[@skrongg]

19.5 x 10cm with GPX. Should I use a diff mouse or use this mouse when using META OPTIMAL GRIP

[@TheMeta]

GPX should work well with this grip, you may need to make some slight changes depending on the shape of the mouse and the size of your hand.

[@WakeUpB2P]

Do you think Viper Ultimate can be nice for this grip ? I got exactly the same grip as you and my hands are like 19cm/10or10.5cm I've tryed the G Pro X Superlight and surprisingly i don't really like the shape i think the back of the mouse is not wide enough horizontally for my hand, so i guess maybe the low profile and wider back of the Viper Ultimage will fit my hand better but i'm not sure... Currently i have a Deathadder V2 and like it a lot but i just wanna try an ambi mice again as i really used to love the Zowie FK1 few years ago.

[@josel8799]

Maybe try the g502

[@fudgeidi3795]

Too much weight

[@VasterLordUlquiorra]

Like I didn't try. I can't hold my little finger like that. he gets close to the nameless one or lies down under his arm.

[@tetrah1534]

Hey i have a question for you guys and ive been looking for help on my ADSa Sens and sens on call of duty, i play on 8.00 sens and 0.75 ADS how would i get the ADS sens to kovaaks

[@TheMeta]

Which Call of Duty game are you converting from?

[@buscon1]

RING FINRGER HURTS hey, so i have a big question im using the same claw girp and im prety decent with it, but i have a big problem i had to switch to finertip grip bc my ring finger hurts, not my finger actualy but... if u look ur ringfinger nail from above so the side wich is contacted to the mouse my nails kinda cutting in to my skin and it hurts whatever i do with my ring finger it hurts im i gripping wrong or what is happening somebody help thank you (sorry if i miss spelled something or its hard to understand english is not my first launguege

[@APERTURE_SC]

Get a mouse with bigger back hump. My top pick would be the Zowie A-13C ( or the 11/12) and the Pulsar X2H (or mini)

[@geraldooliveira3811]

Hey Kovaak, i have some questions about this grip, i'm using fingertip but sometimes i'm just inconsistent and the grip just don't feel that stable, i'm tryng this grip that you show and i just realize how dependent i am on using my fingers to aim, so you think is worth keep this grip until it becomes natura ?, and you have some tips abou a sensitivity to make this transition better?!

[@christiandp_]

mouse grip should be as natural as possible imo

[@TheMeta]

Would recommend at least experimenting with this grip as there may be some small refinements that make it feel more comfortable than trying to directly copy what you see in the video. This grip would best suit mid-range sensitivities around 25-45cm/360. After experimenting with alternatives you should use what feels and performs best, which may simply be your original fingertip grip.

[@sniperdude008]

I have bad mouse grip and learning to use this one is rlly hard lmao

[@ivanmartinez632]

Grip is a big thing nobody wants to talk about just the usual stuff “try a new mouse”

[@RiseAboveLimits001]

Can you do a video how high a table should be please because it effect the aim

[@TheMeta]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKrLq5aAidarqZY there you go :)

[@nerdalert545]

What about those of us with adult sized hands?

[@hooman6736]

But what if you have a bloody a60 mouse....

[@simon7142]

Thanks for the video. I think my grip has migrated towards finger tip recently as I have been working on my technique and yes I have noticed that my flick to target has got worse. I will try the claw grip as you explained with the knuckles over the weekend. I'm only a target switching scenario away from Voltaic Gold. Its been a slow journey so far. Thanks again and I love Kovaaks BTW.😊

[@TheMeta]

Hope it works well for you, if you have any questions about it feel free to ask!

[@yoitsmeefn2253]

so while aiming vertically do i use my arm or my fingers to edit and aim in fortnite ( or just aim in other games )

[@yoitsmeefn2253]

and if i use my fingers do i have to instantly reposition it and put it under against my palm?

[@TheMeta]

Depends a lot on your sensitivity, in most situations it would be a combination of everything - fingers, hand, wrist & arm. If your sensitivity is very high it may be more heavily dependent on fingers.

[@super_cake]

I use this grip.. really good for any type of sensitivity, but my pinky doesn't touch the mouse because wider hands 😅

[@pablotherobloxadventurer4621]

OOF

[@schizballs]

Ethos

[@froolo]

the best grip for u is to close ur eyes and grip ur mouse however u naturally grip it is how u can preform the best depending on mouse shape

[@froolo]

i love the model o shape best mouse ever made other than the shit qc issues

[@sarthakkk4938]

oh i actually use this exact grip xd

[@bermiti6375]

Is xm1 good my hand is 19cm by 9.5 , I use like a palm with a little claw

[@TheMeta]

r/mousereview might be a good place to ask. I have used the xm1 with 20.5x10.5 hands and found it to be a bit too small.

[@sonnyyu386]

why not finger tip grip

[@josephooi6816]

when i do this grip only my knuckles are touching my mouse. I cant seem to get my palm to touch it

[@TheMeta]

Wouldn't worry too much about forcing that. Hand and mice size will change things between players. If you can only get your knuckles to touch that's fine :)

[@josephooi6816]

@@TheMeta yeah, i finally figured how to grip it yesterday. It just came natural. thanks

[@zracoo]

I have a problem gripping my mouse consistently any tips you can give? also, do you have any tips to not get bored when doing an aim routine cause it's hard for me to stay motivated during the routine (srry for bad grammar)

[@aaryaman2702]

Listen to music, I do an hourly long aim training routine in csgo every day, music motivates me a lot

[@chiapet101]

buy some small dot grips.. and place them to your finger placement. that way, you get a consistent grip every time

[@lolbobmeme609]

I aim like a god now Thx

[@kanagara7190]

So what mouse shape do you recommend for that "optimal grip"? Ergo or ambi?

[@andysin5037]

Ergo for sure

[@TheMeta]

It should work for just about any ambi mouse, ergo can be tricky if they have exaggerated comfort curves and a really large body but ergo mice like the Model D work great.

[@akitoo1972]

whats the difference of the fingertip grip and the optimal grip

[@TheMeta]

With fingertip grip, the only points of contact on the mouse are the fingertips. Optimal grip points of contact are the fingertips and the knuckles of the thumb and pinky. (Depending on mouse shape and hand size, other knuckles or the back of the palm may also be in contact)

[@WisdomPowerCourage]

I don't really get how you manage to use your fingers for vertical aiming without the mouse leaving the palm. Man, I've been experimenting with mouse grip for years now. Before I started experimenting, I had aim which felt really good. Now I can never find back to that feel, and I wish I never started experimenting. I want to just find a grip I know I have the most potential with, and stick with it, but I don't really understand if I'm doing this one right, as there are so many variables. Please halp

[@TheMeta]

The fingers can help with some small vertical adjustments without it leaving the palm (like aiming from upper chest to the head), but for any significant movement you'll need to move the whole hand.

[@WisdomPowerCourage]

@@TheMeta Ah, then I understand more, thanks

[@darkshadowsx5949]

i been using this grip for years.

[@GabrielMccredi]

im abit confused the thumbnail and the vid make conflicting points is my palm supposed to touch on the left or right side of the mouse? thumb says left while you say the righ t

[@TheMeta]

Realistically, for the back of the palm the mouse is being gripped like this gyazo.com/dda1cf23113f7903410ba2fa3b616faf Where the green circles are in contact and the purple squiggle is not in contact. The thumbnail tries to indicate this with the blue lines. The video has more generalized advice for the back of the palm as this will change mouse to mouse. If I were to use a big ergo like the MX518 or just a wider mouse in general that purple squiggle would disappear.

[@GabrielMccredi]

@@TheMeta ah ty so much for the clarification, yup the thumbnail explained it perfectly got abit confused by the video but thanks for the clarification

[@tacomn]

@@TheMeta In the video you just have the mouse touching your right part of your palm right?

[@LaTrefle]

i still dont understand how you are gripping the mouse :(

[@eyp3669]

when you Aiming , your wrist should touch mousepad or not ?

[@nirmals2389]

Yes you gotta have your wrist on the mouse pad. If you don't have it that way then aiming is gonna be really inconsistent.

[@chainjail924]

im a fingertip grip since the beginninng of gaming, but fingertip grip has a lot of issues, and u cant even be consistent because u never actually put ur mouse in your hand. i realized this and trying to change to some other grip but its hard af. feels like fingertip is best for me yet its a worst grip ever. idk how to describe this.

[@chinguspingus6256]

What are your thoughts on the knuckle claw grip? Its similar to fingtertip(a grip im trying to switch away from) in that the mouse is gripped with fingertips and the bottom of your knuckles. There is no contact with the palm. What are the differences that might sway my decision between the grip shown and staying with my knuckle claw?

[@TheMeta]

It could work, doesn't feel quite as secure and controlled as this grip though.