THE ORDER Polygamy Cult: “My Dad’s 3rd Wife is His Half Sister” ft.

[@betsyvanek9275]

I'm a product of the LDS Indian Adoption Program ....or as I refer to it as Save the Little Savages Program. I just turned 65 and recovering. Married at 15, divorced at almost 18. Third marriage dissolving (DV in all) my suffering to earn my kingdom. I always wondered why I stayed for so long and suffered. You young women helped me reason out why. I was raised very strict Mormon both parents high positions in the church. I was SA by an uncle (LDS) and abused in my home...too much spirit I guess that they tried to break. I was messed up mentally but tough. Please keep doing what your doing and the Indian Adoption is also something to look into❤

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hi Betsy! Thank you for sharing. I’d love to chat with you further. You can email me at [e-mail] ❤️

[@alexwyatt2911]

I’m incredibly sorry that you were subjected to such awful abuse. I can’t imagine how much deeper your suffering has been due to your “adoption” (which is a wildly generous term) and the erasure of your heritage. I don’t know if it’s any solace to you but today, the US Supreme Court upheld ICWA. It’s a relief to know that even _this_ Supreme Court has its limits when it comes to rolling back the meager equality this country has attained.

[@sky-pv7ff]

One thing to think on is the uncle wasn't related to you by blood. I know someone who was groomed and R by her biological father.

[@deisyrosales9845]

Wow I’m sorry you went through that.., 😢

[@louisebarradas8750]

I am so sorry you have had to go through this.❤

[@MarkLee-dc2sl]

Who is actually shocked Amanda is the most requested? She's a badass in exposing these nasty cults!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Riiiiight?! 😎

[@heartgirl40]

it's because in a world where silence is violence, speaking truth so openly is SO powerful!

[@albertmedel6130]

Amanda is a bad ass and a beautiful young woman.

[@trollnystan]

The way she's explaining how the wives had to raise the kids by themselves and support themselves financially, it kind of reminds me off my brother's former downstairs neighbour who was a muslim woman married to a muslim man with multiple wives, and she had three kids I think. That's of course not legal here in Sweden so every wife had their own apartment where they lived with their kids and he'd come by and visit now and again, but he couldn't financially support all of them, so some of them were on welfare as "single mothers" while others worked. Personally, I don't give an ish how many spouses you have as long as it's consensual, but don't have them if you can't at least contribute financially to the household and certainly don't have so many children that you can't have a personal relationship with them or support them.

[@Rachel-yr7ch]

Right? Really shows the order of that guy's priorities

[@crowredeye8066]

In Warren Jeff's group (he is in prison) they did a similar thing for government benefits. I've heard it is called "bleeding the beast". The "beast", of course, is the government.

[@bebeenderson7863]

Literally what is the point 😂

[@CultstoConsciousness]

I agree. So wrong to do that to these women AND the children.

[@joannetompkins7833]

That's very common among African muslims even if all the wives are in the same family compound. I live in West Africa so I see it often.

[@writerj9129]

One of the hard parts of being a woman leaving a cult is not having someone to tell you what to do for the first time, I still struggle with decisions almost 7 years later

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Absolutely. When your life is mapped out for you and you literally have no choices, once that door opens, it’s overwhelming!

[@nellybagg5188]

one day at a time ..

[@andie3448]

I feel that way and haven't been in a cult, I can only imagine how y'all feel 🥺

[@francisnopantses1108]

I grew up in what I would call a family cult and had exactly the same problem. It was so hard to take charge when that was literally beaten out of me.

[@shaisag1]

Yes it the most difficult and challenging thing for me to learn how I’m what is my purpose in life for me self if I’m not doing what “I’m supposed to do or be” so if it’s not the right way and everything I knew about myself and the world is lies and deception what is the truth and what is the “right way “ and I know it doesn’t make sense but 10 years later I’m still learning how to live for myself and do what I want i don’t have the normal way of thinking freely and just do whatever I want is still scary to choose to get to know myself and to to learn my own belief and desire but it’s guts better the work with my therapist is hoping and close friends ❤❤❤

[@topher2113]

Amanda & her sisters show (Escaping Polygamy) is what started me down the cult rabbit hole. I remember being shocked this kind of cult was operating so openly. I love the work she is doing to help others escape and bring these horrible people running the the order into the light. I think her brother Eskel would be an incredible conversation as well. Thanks for another great episode!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Yes! I’m going to see if he’s willing to come on 😁

[@libertyrings7575]

You'd also like Leah Remini : Scientology and the aftermath

[@morganmann5366]

I’m so happy she’s on here!!! I came out about 2 years ago and told my story in the comment section of one of her videos, and every now I then I still receive replies asking how I’m doing, she has a beautiful community, and a good heart.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

I love that! We have a C2C guest application form if you’re ever interested in telling it officially 😊 it’s on my page in the links under “about” section

[@morganmann5366]

@@CultstoConsciousnessthank you for presenting that opportunity to me, I’m not quite ready yet to share my story but I’ll definitely look into it when I am!

[@lisapassarella4603]

⁠@@morganmann5366it might help you to share your experience. I understand that it’s difficult to talk about at this time but it will help you get it out to set yourself free from the madness of this evil cult

[@sngray11]

I’m familiar with this cult from the TV show Escaping Polygamy. It is mind-boggling to me that the Feds haven’t come in and closed this cult down. Thank you Shelise for having Amanda onto share her story with all of us. 💗

[@CultstoConsciousness]

I agree! It’s crazy! Thanks for your support!❤️

[@brittanysauer6416]

The feds are probably in on it.

[@bripearce45]

Money.... that's why... or at least that is what I think. I believe they are paid to stay away.

[@ladyv5655]

I lived in Salt Lake City in the 1990's. I remember during the time about a big story about a girl who was forcibly married to her uncle. She tried to run away several times until her father took her out to the middle of nowhere, beat the snot out of her and then left her there. Maybe he meant to go back for her, but she made her way to a convenience store and the police were called. There was a trial and a lot of ugliness was made public. I think this was the Kingston group and apparently, incestuous marriages were/are the norm.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Yes I think Amanda talks about this on her channel actually. Or at the very least it was in “Escaping Polygamy” on tv

[@kazferns64]

That's just horrific. I'm glad she got away and the authorities believed her.

[@mienafriggstad3360]

Amanda has talked about this on her channel; they are her relatives 😭

[@albertmedel6130]

I was living in SLC them. I remember that incident.

[@theresenorway]

How terrible! 😢 I hope she have a good life now.

[@DalTronPrinting]

My best friend in high school was a Kingston, his Mom was my Mom's cousin. He was a good guy, but he was definitely brain washed and couldn't see the stuff going on in his religion. He had been working since he was 12 and he was only paid in "Kingston Bucks" and it took him months to realize that.

[@anitaboneshow]

We're all brainwashed by our society to belleve that all sorts of nonsense is "true" when they are actually just arbitrary, made-up, cultural ideas and opinions used to establish order and control on behalf of the powerful.

[@beesarelife2721]

😢

[@jenshahhater]

my son dated a kingston girl for a few years 😅 her mother left with her and her sister but her father would still lurk, offer her money, ect to come back. She’s a great girl and she’s out here thriving now! As “never mo’s” it was a learning experience

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Oh wow! I’m glad she got out and is doing well!

[@nickywal]

They always want the girls back, one of Amanda's cousins was saying her dad would always talk about how he'd never been to prison or had a wife leave. Only for them to discover a wife had and taken all her children when one of the daughters came back wanting to meet her dad. They were immediately trying to push her into marriage, she ran as fast as she could thankfully

[@notheothersarah]

Watching Amanda's glow up over time has been such a joy.

[@lexilee5]

Genuinely love her

[@GoldenMom815]

💯

[@thandikente7646]

She has such courage…there is so much enlightenment she carries.

[@GL-yg8uc]

I relate to her so much. We were non active mainstream Mormons, and my parents had us isolated on the side of a mountain, in what I understand now was a family cult dynamic. Most of us were “homeschooled” with no real education outside scripture lessons. As the third oldest, I was assigned the nurturing role. I developed a very motherly bond with my baby siblings as I was a teenager when many were born. There were 12 of us. When I dared come against my abusive parents by trying to report abuse, the family system worked tirelessly to sully my name in the family, and alienating me from all of my siblings that I raised. Though most of them are grown now, and are slowly coming back to me when they need help, the damage is still done. The kids still internalized those years of negative beliefs about me. I was diagnosed with ptsd and still have dreams they’re all babies again and I’m able to protect them. Years later and I still feel as though my kids were stolen from me all because I fought the family enmeshed cult. I’m 38 now, and refuse to have my own children. I will never let anyone ever control me or blackmail me through my love for my children again. Raising children is the most dangerous risk to heartache. People that knew these were my children more than my mothers new that they could dominate me and threatened me, and discipline me through withholding my kids. Never again. I lost them. I will never let myself be that vulnerable again. Motherhood is so vulnerable. If an ex, or anyone wants to hurt you, they always go through the kids first.

[@motomom1311]

🤍🤍🤍🤍

[@karrie7102]

🩵🩵🩵🫂

[@heatherrisberg8757]

I cannot imagine having a convo with my spouse and referring to mom or dad and it being the same for both of us!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

😬

[@thecrafterscauldron]

I’m so excited to see Amanda on the other side of the interview!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

😜

[@Brembelia]

​@@CultstoConsciousness I've known about Mormonism for a long time, but this is interesting. Does anyone know if there are any Shakers from Western Massachusetts still living? That, too, would be interesting to hear their take on things.

[@kerstinklenovsky239]

Shelise, you are turning into a "cult buster" to be reckoned with! 😎 Love you, love Amanda. ❤️

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hahah yesss I love it! ❤️😁

[@nerysghemor5781]

Have either Shelise or Amanda discussed anywhere the fact that a cult basically runs the entire state of Utah? Realizing the implications of this has become more and more disturbing the more I’ve learned.

[@kristazabriskie1250]

Utahn here. They don’t basically run it, they do. And we all know it. They own the local Coca Cola bottling company, but caffeine is against the rules. Our downtown area’s streets are literally named after and routed entirely around the temple. As a kid, non-Mormons are the “bad” kids and aren’t allowed at Mormon homes. We know, and we’re very separated.

[@fduranthesee]

@@kristazabriskie1250 Utah sounds like hell

[@jayterra2060]

@@kristazabriskie1250 omg!

[@ktown8139]

I’m so glad that you also noticed Kody Brown’s Personality Disorder! I would not be surprised if he was diagnosed as a Narcissistic Sociopath. He is cruel, thoughtless and lacks insight into himself and others. He ALWAYS puts himself and his situation before others - including his children - treating them dreadfully, unless it also benefits himself. Moreover, Kody lacks empathy, the ability to see things from other perspectives, how certain things or actions affect others, etc.

[@michaelspurling4376]

My great grandmother was one of three Mormon wives and 100% native American. I can't imagine how horrible her life must have been.

[@dobbysboggart6883]

Was she part of the fundamentalist groups? Because 19th century plural marriage was different.

[@michaelspurling4376]

@@dobbysboggart6883 No, mainstream Mormon but women were and still are second class in the church and people with dark skin were below that.

[@alexwyatt2911]

@@dobbysboggart6883Different how?

[@dobbysboggart6883]

@@alexwyatt2911 ... For starters, in the 19th century, women got married no younger than was typical of the American frontier. And they entered these marriages of their own free choice.

[@alexwyatt2911]

@@dobbysboggart6883 So the polygamist marriages within the Mormon church-especially Joseph Smith and Brigham Young-just didn’t happen?

[@emmelinesprig489]

I GASPED. Two powerful warriors fighting for freedom and peace ❤️

[@CultstoConsciousness]

😁😎🙌

[@Amandaaa2244]

When I worked in the temple, there was a temple worker who refused to let someone enter with an active temple recommend because he had a tattoo and the temple president lost it on that temple worker for being so heartless. The temple matron had a meeting with all of the sisters who were temple workers to tell us that we can’t tolerate that, and should correct the male temple workers who are denying people entry due to tattoos. It was my favorite meeting at the temple worker ever haha

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Wowwwww! I’m glad they stood up for that person. Imagine how ashamed he felt for being shamed about that

[@sherrig7752]

whaaaaaaat?! thats terrible. He doesn't know that persons story. They could be a convert. They could have been inactive and returned to church. Heck, he could have always been active and gotten a tattoo

[@Amandaaa2244]

@@sherrig7752 that’s exactly what the temple president/matron said. Who cares about a stupid tattoo? It doesn’t determine worthiness

[@Maiju86]

​@@Amandaaa2244 Money is money right? 🤑

[@michaeldavis146]

​@@Amandaaa2244and there will born a child with a picture of a lion as it were on his left hand . There talking about visible Judah. He literally has a picture of a lion as it were on his left hand . Judahs Father is Lord Jesus Christ . I think it is in the testament of Joseph or Judah. Came out of his Father's loins . Jesus is God .

[@aimeegallant-bruns5784]

I remember Amanda from her show Escaping Polygamy! I was obsessed with that show because it was so heartbreaking. I probably cried at every episode. I am so happy to see what she has done since then and she is continuing to heal out loud. You are so amazing Amanda!

[@oonaellaa]

47:30 I so relate to this. I was born in a cult in Finland and I can always spot a member of that group. I can’t explain why but I just can.

[@lisal.1114]

Maybe your brain atunes to them, since they are the closest danger that u had to experinece while growing up? I know people that grew up with narcissistic family members or emotional unpredictalbe onces have that. U just know, since your subconcious tries so hard to protect u from new people like that.

[@Maiju86]

Mitä? Onko Suomessa kultteja? 😳 Olisi mielenkiintoista tietää enemmän.

[@oonaellaa]

@@Maiju86 kultteja tai lahkoja. Kääntyy molemmiksi. Vaikkapa ihan vanhoillislestadiolaiset tai MAP-kirkko on lahkoja/kultteja BITE-määritelmän mukaan.

[@aliciasmith4421]

I remember being paired with some order boys in High School for a "group project' and I had to tell my teacher that I needed SWITCH bc they would not even talk to me, they only talked over me, and were so rude.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Ugh. The worst!

[@bianca_boop]

Such a great interview! For the commenter who asked about how to identify and help people in cults, where I live there are signs in most restrooms with information on resources + hotline numbers for people in abusive/trafficking situations. That way anyone who needs help can use the info when they're ready to leave, without feeling like they're being confronted by a stranger (and possibly with the interaction being reported back to their abuser).

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thanks, Meli! That’s a great idea!!

[@maroonblue7064]

"interaction being reported back to their abuser".. You mean the KZbin comments section. I've reported some fake profiles conversing on false narratives with several videos from people who have never been LDS but make up rumors. The Mormons Forgotten Disabled and the two Zelph videos.

[@sidstovell2177]

How good!!

[@laurengarcia1023]

I was so excited to see this. I love Amanda. I appreciate her honestly so much. She's so knowledgeable, kind, and I love her quirky, sometimes dark humor. Her channel is great. I highly recommend her video on weird foods order members eat. This episode made me so happy.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Yes! I watched that one. So funny 😂

[@barbh1]

Marriage to such close relatives, the children could be a lot worse than 12 toes. Are these folks not aware of the danger to the children?

[@DimaRakesah]

They don't care. Kids are a status symbol. They want women to have lots of kids to expand the church, provide more labor and provide more young girls to marry back into the cult.

[@nickywal]

The leaders claim there's no issues, but they're now genetically testing kids to see who they can safely marry. But its all "direction from god" of course

[@amberinthemist7912]

They don't care about the danger to the children. It's all about the ego of the man.

[@brianwaller7383]

At least I’ll never have to deal with it because nobody wants me nobody. And I got the receipts to prove it

[@maroonblue7064]

@@brianwaller7383 Twitch subscriptions receipts?

[@WohWoh91]

I wish they’d do more seasons of Escaping Polygamy!! That was my favorite show to watch when I was in clean and sober housing!

[@nickywal]

Yay Amanda, her channel threw me down the whole rabbit hole of cults. Watching her grow and change has been great

[@cicilg]

I am in aw over how intellectual this woman is and how intuitive she is. Such an inspection to people just thinking outside of what they are taught. It is so very hard to put yourself out of everything you have ever known.

[@tigerkitten8352]

Excited for Part 2. This is fascinating and terrifying stuff. She is so strong.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Wooo! Coming Saturday 😁

[@mostvaluableproduction]

This is so mind-blowing. Amanda, you are amazing. I can't believe I haven't seen the show. I knew of these various groups that broke away from mainstream LDS and continued polygamy, but I never realized the horrible depths they reached. I probably didn't want to let myself discover these things when I was younger (for example, even the silly reality TV version like Sister Wives was difficult for me to watch).

[@atherisGAY]

I am so, so sorry what you had to go through. These incestual relationships made me shiver multiple times. I am happy you're out and talking about it. ❤ stay safe

[@sidstovell2177]

Surely, there are some damaged children. When I married in the Episcopalian church, we had to sign a paper to swear that we weren't first cousins.

[@GoldenMom815]

Yayyyyy!!! I can’t wait to listen to this. I was one of the requesters! I even saw my name in the intro 🤣💗

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Haha yessss love it

[@qtmisskris8743]

How have I not heard of this channel before??!! I really enjoy learning about cults and whatnot. This is amazing ❤️

[@ms.fancypants8548]

I am so happy that you interviewed Amanda I love her channel and I've been following her since "Escaping Polygamy"!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Wooo!🥳

[@Tess-163]

What a beautiful woman I’m so glad she got out instead of wasting her life in that revolting cult

[@kaitlynpowell8100]

This is my new favorite episode!!! Thank you and Amanda for spreading the word and helping as many people as you both can. Two amazing and beautiful people making the world a better place ❤️

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Aww thank you so much! ❤️

[@racheld7528]

I requested this!! I’ve requested to watch Amanda on a few different peoples channels! Love her! So much knowledge and so amazing at helping others! So excited to see her here! ❤ 5:35

[@micheleosullivan4430]

I started asking a lot of questions in church as a teenager. After deciding religion wasn't for me, some family members weren't happy, but eventually accepted my choice. I cannot even imagine what you went through. Your strength is a testament to your character and I only wish the best for you! Some of the best families are the ones you choose, not always the ones you are born into.

[@Red-rose-garden]

Even leaving an abusive marriage no matter what religion or belief system is super difficult and frightening because where can a woman flee to with her kids! She has to leave the home and then go where? What if she doesn’t have relatives or close friends?

[@nickywal]

Yeah children are the reason a lot of women stay, especially in these groups where the first wife is also legally tied to him and the fathers are actually on the birth certificates, so can and will fight to keep especially daughters in the group. Increasingly pets are also a concern, especially as most domestic abuse centres won't take pets that aren't service dogs

[@rhondadearborn3265]

Thanks for having Amanda on...I was one of the many who requested it. I think you could do multiple videos with her, as she has so much to share.

[@DiannelLaird]

I’m so happy, that this interview finally happened and I can’t wait for the next one. This was a really great episode and both of you have so much information to share about all of your experiences. I hope you both have a wonderful weekend and I can’t wait to see your next chapters on both of your channels. Hugs to both of you amazing young women.🤗🤗

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Wooo! Thank you! Glad you liked it! More coming soon 😁😁

[@laurenshanahan6652]

I love listening to Amanda because of her honesty … she’s come a long way

[@rickipacaci1338]

Terrible growing up in disfunction and then leaving to see reality of the disfunction. It must have been extremely difficult. I am appalled that this exists. Simply unbelievable. You are helping others as well as yourself 🙏🏻

[@domsmom725]

I have a dear friend, a gay man, who grew up in a strict catholic household and was forced to go to a conversion therapy camp in his teens/20’s and he dealt with so much pain and internal torture from the whole experience… he felt forced to live a lie, believing he was going to rot in hell because he was broken and not good enough to make it to Heaven, seeing close friends of his taking their own lives.. caused a lot of damage in him. It’s heartbreaking stuff, does wayyy more harm than good. Thank God, thru time and lots and lots of therapy, he got away from all that and is living his best life, as 💯 his authentic self, happily with his life partner of 25+ years.. (and has a beautiful relationship with God even), so I couldn’t be more happy for him! Not everyone’s story has a happy ending though:( those kinds of programs should be illegal imo

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Wow! That’s so awful what he went through. I’m so happy that he is doing better now!

[@domsmom725]

@@CultstoConsciousnessme too:) thanks Shelise! Love your show 🫶🏻

[@kazferns64]

So heartbreaking. I'm glad he's doing well now!

[@tinselbmerryweather]

OMGOSH!!! I watched as many Escaping Polygamy as I could. This is my favorite interview

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Wooo! 🥳

[@amberrhodesofficial]

This was such a great episode. Thank you both!!! Also you guys have SUCH good chemistry!!! Would love to see you guys do something even once a quarter on different topics or to continue raising awareness for holding out help

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you!! I would l love to continue to have her on 😁

[@mrs.b4604]

This is quickly becoming my new fav KZbin channel.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Happy to hear that! 😁🙌

[@justin6354]

I found this channel 3 days ago and can't stop watching. She is doing such a good job exposing all these cults. This is a very important channel and she is helping so many people and I love it .

[@geekygardener1730]

Omg, having to write an inventory including your own bed is insane! These little details are mind blowing🤯

[@gaiagreen2690]

Five minutes into the interview and I literally have no idea who is whose sister, father, uncle, half brother etc any more.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Same 🥲🫠

[@empyrea_2546]

I was also confused... that's a family wheel

[@justin6354]

I was so confused too, lol

[@michellem4692]

My mother isn't allowed to have a relationship with me due to her craazy abusive husband...its only a tiny sliver of what you explained but it hurts so nad. Amanda and everyone who has left are amazingly strong!!!💜💜

[@kathleennelson6692]

The level of control, implied or otherwise in the "regular" LDS church is over the top. I am so sorry for your experience and relieved for you that you figured it out. I was an all in adult covert, age 25 to 65.then ...extracted myself. What a relief. I wish you the best.

[@RuthMcL1979]

Woohoo!!! It’s Amanda!!! Btw, my 26yr old daughter is also Amanda, named after my childhood best friend, two of the most amazing people in the world!! xx

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Love it❤

[@jaynekendall3049]

I wanted to see Amanda on here ❤🎉 i loved this interview, i can't wait for part 2

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Wooo! Coming on Saturday!

[@jaynekendall3049]

@@CultstoConsciousness I love Amanda I have watched all her videos and subscribe to her patreon and I have been listening and watching your videos for ages so love the both together 🥰

[@mads597]

Idk how to describe the sense of empowered communion this discussion offers. Thank you ❤

[@CultstoConsciousness]

I love that! Thank you 😁❤️

[@karenbanford863]

So pleased to see Amanda, hope she and all her friends are well

[@casperswift]

Im a new watcher and you both seem like extremely strong women. Im glad you escaped your situations.What you are doing is amazingly valuable. Keep up the good work.😊

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you so much!! Welcome to C2C!

[@BeachLover1965]

I've been waiting for this!! I've been following Amanda’s channel for months - it's wonderful to hear her share her story on someone else’s show. Amanda, you're amazing!!! ❤️

[@CultstoConsciousness]

I totally agree!

[@mambisa2690]

I was JUST binge watching Amanda’s channel, what a great collaboration.❤

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Amazing! Enjoy!😁

[@deisyrosales9845]

The fact that she’s almost in tears most of the video. You can hear the pain and heartbreak in her voice! Awww my heart goes to her and everyone who has gone through this form of manipulation and has loved a life of lies!

[@cassiefriedman1446]

Being a Christian ✝️ woman it just makes me so mad when people use God for the wrong reasons or make up things like cults do and I hope you are having a blessed life Amanda 🙏

[@Minimojojoy]

Many view Christianity as a cult! And personally, it’s the same type of population control and propaganda! And Mormonism is a religion just as Christianity is, their beliefs just slightly differ. But the end goals are exactly the same.

[@lilyyoung1002]

Agreed

[@megonatoreliminator7445]

Yall ladies got your emotions in order tbh! I appreciate you educating us and keeping yourself in tact!

[@kathleenhartnellharper7234]

Both of you gals are exceptionally lovely. I’m so glad you two escaped that restrictive environment. I’m sure they had nefarious plans for you . When I traveled through Utah I felt that everyone was phony. They seemed to have that “keep sweet” mentality that creeped me out. I mentioned that in a comment and was trolled about it. I still maintain that it was a “Stepford Wives” vibe there.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Aww thank you, Kathleen! Yes, the “keep sweet” vibe very much exists. I’d say more in the FLDS than the mainstream LDS, but it all stems from the same place. The incessant urge to be perfect and make it look like your life is perfect. Because happiness is only achieved through worthiness…so if you aren’t happy, then you’re doing something wrong. It creates a lot of toxic positivity and bypassing.

[@nancyforwand7726]

I agree...both pretty and both smart. Can't understand how women can stand living like that. I watched the "Sister Wives" show from the beginning, but could see jealousy between women early on. Took 10 years for the split to occur. Cody was always a narcicistic jerk❗

[@nancyforwand7726]

The dad marrying ur half sister ... Of their 8 kids, were all normal or were some genetically altered?

[@dobbysboggart6883]

​@@CultstoConsciousness ... We LDS try to be decent folks. Fight against the FLDS and Kingston group all you want, but don't drag US into your crosshairs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6uviHmNnq6IpMk

[@dobbysboggart6883]

If you were driving through northern Utah, maybe it was all in your head.

[@alexandriawells9658]

So excited to have my question answered! And thank you so much for pronouncing my name correctly 😊

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Wooo! So glad I did 😁 thanks for engaging!

[@jaynap8046]

Omg TREMONTON.. Shelise 😂❤ I'm from there!!! I'm sure we didn't cross paths because I'm Hella old.... But.. maybe it's time for my story as a believing Mormon for 63 years.... But now I'm out!!!!! Divorced, and have a boyfriend and happily drinking coffee and wine, life is amazing. It might be time for an older white post morm woman... L0L let's talk. 🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂❤❤❤ Love your channel

[@CultstoConsciousness]

😂 are you really? You may know my mom. She’s your age. You can reach out on IG @cultstoconsciousness

[@tiffanyhasleftthebuilding9070]

I loved this!! I loved Amanda’s show, “Escaping Poligamy”, and I love all that y’all are doing to help those who are trapped in these cults!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you!

[@SatansRoerhat]

Thank you Amanda, for talking about in🌼est and sex without beating around the bush. I can tell people about my r🌼pe and get pushback or support, but NO ONE wants to hear about in🌼est (and csa). The silence is deafening. Thank you both, for standing in the discomfort of verbalizing the reality of it 💖💖 *Sorry for the flowers, I just don't want to get this amazing video suppressed by YT 🌼

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hi Sara! I appreciate your consideration and also your comment. I agree it’s too uncomfortable for most to talk about. But things won’t change until everyone gets REAAAAL uncomfy

[@cyndeetaylor]

I SO enjoyed this interview. Both of you deal with the nitty-gritty in such a classy and intelligent way. Cracked me up when you said "ornery" was a Utah word - I grew up in Texas with family trees in Oklahoma and Louisiana. Very common usage in the South! This made me thankful that I grew up with a Baptist preacher dad who was very knowledgeable about cults but never used that word, just taught me a few things, beginning with Catholicism. By the time I was a teenager, I kinda felt sorry for the JWs or LDS that showed up at our door - like, are you sure you wanna come in? - not because he would ever berate them but would try his best to show them scriptural truth. I never once heard him put anyone down or say a bad word like we were superior. With him, race, gender, age, religion, money didn't matter.

[@melissasecondo4288]

The more I listen to these the more I realize I grew up in like a "familial cult" idk if that's a thing but all these experiences really remind me of my childhood 🤔

[@eileene.5870]

You would think that the mainstream LDS church would offer resources to those trying to escape any of the FLDS groups because the existence of the fundamental branches hurts the reputation/credibility of the mainstream! I know better than to think any church would help anyone simply because it's the right thing to do, but their self-interest is pretty high here. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Great point. I suppose though for them to do this would mean they would have to recognize and face their past as being wrong. Which I doubt they ever would

[@laurag502]

both of you ladies are so intelligent, eloquent, classy; all of the lovely things. thank you so much for sharing your stories with us.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you so much!🥰

[@amandabarritt-frillsfreckl5142]

When we moved to Utah, we were a few blocks from one of the Kingston groups of housing. (I recognized where Shanell's mom lived as something right down the street) It just looked extremely run down and very sparse with people, even though there were kids toys all over the yards. At one point, one of the barns burned down and our neighborhood was like "hey, we should put some stuff together and take it to them". One of the neighbors said "don't bother, they won't talk to you or accept it". And they didnt. It was like the person who took it to them was some kind of monster. They wanted absolutely nothing to do with the outside public.

[@alirussell4595]

I didn't request it oh here but I requested on mormon stories that amanda and ezkel be interviewed, ezkel is active in the main steam lds church. I'm really excited for this interview.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Oh he is?! Very interesting! We will reach out to him

[@markhoff6789]

Amanda is so cool! The strength and resilience of these women is incredible.

[@hopejohnson6347]

I'm not in a polygamous relationship right now, but I'm atheist and was in an independent polygamous relationship before the difference being: I (f) was openly bisexual and the driving force. All three of us started out as friends first and grew closer in a triangle and had a sit-down and decided together to be in a relationship with both other parties simultaneously... but yeah - I guess that's not very common.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

That’s very mature of all of you. And I fully respect people who are in consenting (not coerced) relationships with other adults 😁

[@lydiaj7492]

Eh, it's actually pretty common

[@jojowynne233]

I’m playing catch up on your videos and I find this lovely ray of sunshine Amanda ☀️ I’m going straight to part 2 to hear more of her courageous journey ❤️

[@Applecider-Poetry]

you could actually give seminars to local police. you could train the cops on how to pick up and help escapees in plain clothes or whatever. maybe they could help you form committees to network around FLDS areas so everyone is covered if they chose to leave.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

That is brilliant! Great idea!

[@Applecider-Poetry]

@@CultstoConsciousness i hope it helps. i live in Aroostook county, Maine and we are increasingly surrounded by Amish farms and businesses. it is usually very nice and an enhancement of our own farming community BUT their ethics run undetected and it is almost impossible to reach out. none of their kids have medical because they do not believe in insurance although they could buy a group policy and cover everyone. one child recently got a deformed leg simply because he broke his leg without any modern medical care. one man DIED from an infected tooth. you see?

[@DalTronPrinting]

You say you don't know any independent polygamists, but I grew up in an independent polygamist family. I don't believe in polygamy anymore and I firmly believe that no one that lives it is happy, but I have only met adults that chose to live of their own free will. After my wife and I got married and decided that we didn't want to believe that way, my father-in-law married another woman. She is an adult and already had some kids with another man she wasn't married to. We aren't part of any group it's just individual families making their own choices.

[@tatorh65]

I adore Amanda. I've watch every one of her videos. And also subbed to her brother. 😊❤

[@marissasmith9231]

I use to drive by a few Kingston homes everyday on my way to work (the homes were just down the street). The houses are very run down and dirty. It was so sad to see the conditions they live in both on the show and in the real world.

[@miaomiaochan]

What a coincidence - my parents and I live in Henderson, Nevada now, and we've had some interesting encounters with Mormons. My parents have a couple of Mormon friends with whom they play tennis, but never on Sundays. At one point, I showed a huge mansion to clients that was owned by a Mormon family; it was just like any other mansion, except for the fact that it had a basement with a large walk-in storage bunker for non-perishable food items.

[@suzyblaze2933]

I believe you’re talking about members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints whose nickname is Mormon. It’s not unusual for people of all religions, especially in the Bible Belt to keep the Sabbath Day holy and not do activities on Sundays. It is one of the Ten Commandments. Also, members of the LDS are encouraged to have food storage in case there is a family emergency, such as job loss or some kind of emergency. That is also not unusual, especially after the Covid quarantine. Maybe you should wait to comment until you have a more adult view of the world.

[@nickywal]

​@@suzyblaze2933adult view of the world, supporting a church that straight up said protecting a man who SA'd his 16 month old daughter is protecting the church. I think I'll prefer the version that says active Mormons are knowingly protecting paedos over "grown up" world view

[@lizzie1592]

I've been waiting for this! I'm so excited!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

🥳

[@anntares172]

My friend, raised strict 7th Day Adventist (also a cult!), was always "encouraged" by his mom to keep going to church when he became an adult. He didn't but he told her once that he was going to Mormon services and she was appalled.😂

[@DneilB007]

26:15 Holy crap, that is a crazy statistic! I’m somewhere into the double digits of places where I’ve lived, even in multiple countries.

[@devadii24]

The part where she is able to identify ‘one of her own’ in Vegas or at the gym is interesting 🧐 When you are in something so removed from regular society, it’s us vs them. Great guest, she seems like such a cool person ❤

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Yeah! Wild. Amanda is so awesome

[@ienmel]

Hhuumm listening to this I’m completely understanding why that show sister wives worked out the way it did. Kody Brown may say he’s not FLDS but he’s everything you just described.

[@katiempojer]

I remember watching her on Escaping Polygamy that was such a great show!

[@Enoch840]

I feel so validated listening to Amanda’s story along with each person’s story. Stay strong Amanda and keep telling your story! 💪🏽🙏❤️

[@valid_sound_and_furious961]

I think it's important to remember when we're talking about plural marriage that when we say "it's a hard no" on the legality issue, we're catching consensual polyamorous relationships in the crossfire. You may never have seen a happy polygamous marriage, but I've seen many happy polyamorous ones that would like to be acknowledged legally for all of the same reasons two individuals might marry. I don't think we're there yet because of the risk of solidifying and protecting abusive "marriages" to children and very young, very indoctrinated adults -- but I would like to think there is a time in the future where we could allow legal plural marriages with, say, enhanced consent assurance measures and maybe a higher age limit than what is standard for two-person marriages.

[@hailyjohnson407]

I definitely agree! In a religious context I've never seen a happy plural relationship, but I have seen quite a few very happy polyamorous couples in the EDM community and also in the kink community online who are very happy in a plural relationship, but everyone in those relationships chooses to participate without anything looming over their head and forcing them to participate

[@hailyjohnson407]

But yeah, it's also very difficult to promote legalizing without making it easier for these controlling religious groups to abuse children and control more women legally and making it harder for these women to legally free themselves

[@amberinthemist7912]

And if both partners disagree about the third's medical decisions while incapacitated? Does everyone get the tax breaks? Who inherits when one of three dies?There's a lot legally to marriage that gets unnecessarily complicated with more than 2 people.

[@valid_sound_and_furious961]

@@amberinthemist7912 Those are all very good questions, but that doesn't mean they don't have answers! For taxes you'd probably have to have a system of diminishing returns the more partners are added. As for medical decisions, maybe part of the required paperwork for a third partner would be all involved parties having a medical care plan in place specifying who gets the final say if there is disagreement. (Note that this is already an issue for single people if, say, their parents disagree! So obviously it's not a society-crippling hurdle to have this ambiguity to deal with.)

[@gpgp1841]

Thank you for writing about consensual polyamory, I was thinking of that too but wouldn't be able to write that down so well

[@YvonaLive4Love]

I am huge fan of “ escaping Polygamy “ show so excited about this interview ❤❤❤

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Wooo!🥳

[@WillieWeed]

I've been waiting for this. When you mentioned you were interviewing Amanda Tuesday. I went to her site and listened to her last live that was 2.5hrs I believe. Left a comment explaining SPTV and welcoming her to be a member if she wants. And I've been busting to hear her story after listening to her do the interviews. It'll be great to get the picture of what she saw growing up! Can't wait! Let's go! ✌️❤️

[@CultstoConsciousness]

🥳

[@fairwindsemptyroads]

Love Amanda's channel so I'm so happy to see her on this channel too!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Same same! 😁

[@adesjolatucker9426]

My mom is a narcissist. I cannot stand her and plan on going no contact at some point. I didn't grow up in a cult but we've had similar experiences and feelings as well. Your podcast reminds me of all those who have narcissistic parents growing up with people who are supposed to protect us but they abuse, manipulate, control us instead and speak to us in a condescending tone (even in adulthood). I'm gonna get away from my mom again one day. She's completely crazy and when she blabs her bs I just zone it out because I know she's wrong. I know she's crazy. But I didn't realize how my mom has been treating me was abuse til I was 24 when I told someone everything I was going through with her. I just thought it was normal. I have hated my mom since I was 12. I'm 40 now and I hate her even more NOW! I'm glad you have this podcast. I know I can get away again and stay away. I moved back in because she needed me. Then the abuse and manipulation started again and hasn't stopped. Once I leave again I'm never coming back even on her deathbed. I can write a few textbooks about my experience with her. 🙄

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

I pray God's best for you

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hi Adesjola, thanks for sharing. We have been hearing this a lot from people and intend to do an episode where we discuss narcissistic behavior and family Cults.

[@N0N4M30]

I’m kinda in a similar situation and I can feel your pain through the screen. But I’m unfortunately disabled and getting away is what’s the hardest. Sending you love ❤

[@adesjolatucker9426]

@@N0N4M30 I have a disability too 💜

[@adesjolatucker9426]

@@CultstoConsciousness please let me know when the episode airs. I'll watch!

[@TheNurseWhoLovedMe89]

That was the fastest hour, it just zipped on by! I could listen to you guys talking for hours and hours! 💞😇 I know I’ve suggested it before, but are there any updates on maybe interviewing Sam and Melissa from @GrowingUpInPolygamy? 🤗

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Coming tomorrow! 😁

[@TheNurseWhoLovedMe89]

@@CultstoConsciousness Omg! I can’t wait!! 🤩😍

[@shaunah-eq5nk]

Never been on this channel before but really lovely watching you guys be so open in your experiences and to see how you're thriving! Congratulations x

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thanks so much! Welcome to C2C! 😁❤️

[@paulytenicholes6627]

I live in an area in Utah that has part of the Kingstons live. Super secretive, they ran in packs basically. I was always curious about them.

[@Mrs.Dreadfulbliss]

Amanda is an awesome humanbeing ❤ I have been watching her channel for a long time now and found your channel a few months ago and been enjoying your content as well. Cannot wait to see the interview with both of you!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Amazing! Yes, she’s awesome

[@leticiamaranhao412]

Shelise, I'd love to see Mendy Levy or his brother, Yoel Levy on your podcast! They escaped from Lev Tahor, probably the most extreme fringe sect of Judaism out there. Their story is truly fascinating and really sad, and I think they'be a perfect fit!

[@lauraaustin1998]

Based on your comment, I watched a video about Mendy Levy and Lev Tahor. Incredible and terrible.

[@SpringStarFangirl]

I've not watched Shelise's videos on people who escaped extreme Jewish sects because I'm kind of terrified of the idea that my religion, my culture, my family, is capable of doing that sort of stuff... but I've vaguely heard of Lev Tahor. If there's a video about one Jewish sect I would be willing to watch, it's that.

[@leticiamaranhao412]

@@lauraaustin1998 It's truly horrific. I'm almost exactly Mendy's age, and to think someone so young went through all those horrors and had to run away from everything they knew...

[@skeeterbug589]

I watched every episode of Escaping Ploygamy. Such courage and vision.

[@lexilee5]

I love Amanda!!! Thank you!!! Edit: SHE PUT MY COMMENT YES HAHAHA

[@GoldenMom815]

I was also oddly thrilled by seeing my comment.😂

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hahah I love it!