Her Horrific Childhood in the CHILDREN OF GOD Sex Cult ft. Daniella Mestyanek Young

[@Viteaification]

its just wild to me that grown adults would allow a grown man to do that to their kids. just him suggesting that would have sent me into a fit of rage

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Absolutely! It just goes to show when your environment is 100 percent controlled and you’re indoctrinated to have shifty morals, your brain doesn’t necessary throw up all the red flags it should. Or if it does, you’re shamed for having doubts and feel something is wrong with you. While editing this episode, I cried for my children that don’t even exist yet. Crying for the pain I so desperately want to shield them from. And crying for my own child SA pain that reared it’s ugly head again. The world can be so dark. That’s why I want to shed light on it. Thank you for your support ❤️

[@leahflower9924]

Ever heard of the Catholic church sorry had to say it

[@MsNooneinparticular]

The grown women/moms engaged directly in it too. See: the Davidito Letters. 😓🤬

[@corablah9809]

It's a big joke to claim your a victim because you chose AS A GROWN ADULT to rape a 10 year old because your pastor told you to💀💀

[@kellyreilly-robinson2130]

@@leahflower9924 I survived that it almost destroyed me but I am finally finding my own joy and control of me

[@preciousonejewel]

woah.. "purity culture and pedophaelia culture are two sides of the same coin" ive never heard that but its so so so true!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Right?!

[@mylifewithmarmalade4624]

Right?! Mind Blown!

[@lharris4118]

Sounds like Maga republicans! They are obsessed with both

[@r3b3lutions]

​@@lharris4118 That's where my mind went, too. They are obsessed with controlling others' bodies.

[@Lucifersfursona]

This. We have examples in cults and out of cults. Purity culture generates pedophiles and ensures new victims by keeping people away from their own sexual and bodily autonomy.

[@andie3448]

I 99% understand the military being seen as a controlled group/cult. My brother is a high rank in the army and I recently had a conversation with him about the Vanessa Guillen case and other recent victims... His first sentence was "that's what happens when you decided to mess around with people you aren't supposed to mess around with" like... Okay she was having an affair so she warranted her death???? Make it make sense. I've never thought of my brother as a predator until now. He fought me about it and claimed there's nothing you can do, and that if you make poor decisions poor activities follow bla blah as if 2 people torturing and killing someone is justifiable. He also said he does his best trying to back track what he said but I'm convinced he's brainwashed. It's really sad idk if he's a victim or suspect anymore.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

YES! Andie I am editing part 2 now and she literally mentions this exact thing and referenced Vanessa. She says it’s one of the main reasons she decided to write her book! Your conversation with your brother feels almost verbatim to things Daniella talks about in her book. It’s truly mind blowing getting a glimpse into what it’s like from a woman’s perspective. Part two coming tomorrow!

[@andie3448]

@@CultstoConsciousness oh wow, yeah this really solidifies my fears. But in a positive way. I know I'm not going crazy thinking what I was told was nuts. It truly is the people you would never assume. I understand the goal in the military is to break you down and rebuild you. Sounds culty to me.

[@PrincessJamiG]

@Andie - it's possible for a person to become a victim as well as a perpetrator, especially in group-think. Complicity is easiest in high-demand organizations. Your feelings are totally valid. I hope you are doing okay.

[@More13Feen]

As a swiss woman, we do have a military and some americans hold us up as a positive example for no guncontroll (fals btw), and it looks a lot like brainwashing and a nation wide cult of sending sons to other countries to kill and get killed in honour of the fictional god of "the american dream of freedom".

[@andie3448]

@@PrincessJamiG I just hope my brothers decides to come around eventually. Highly unexpected

[@LYAveiga]

I'm so excited you did this interview with her. I was also born and raised in the Children of God cult but mostly stayed in Brazil, where I recently exposed the cult on TikTok in Portuguese and it's been in insane frenzy ever since. I'm very grateful for your podcast and your insights and guests for sharing their stories. It's so important for our healing process

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hi LYA! Thank you for sharing. I’m so sorry you also had a childhood in this cult. Thanks for sharing your story as well!!

[@kaleahcollins4567]

@Cults to Consciousness I thought you was LDS not Children of Gd.

[@echitester]

​​​@@kaleahcollins4567think the also refers to the guest, who was raised in CoG, NOT the host, who was raised LDS. since the OP said "also," which would be in reference to the guest, it makes sense that the host would respond with also. as in "I'm sorry you were also raised in the cult my guest was raised in." hope that helps.

[@lisapeters7191]

​@@kaleahcollins4567Cult(s) plural

[@nussknacker9827]

Thank you so much for exposing them Many people like me don't have tiktok and I hope one day you'll share all of your content on KZbin, too Lots of love and healing to you, 💕

[@MrDeelightful]

Holy crap, I'm at the part around 36min where she mentions her daughter and never telling her "Because I said so", that hit really hard. Daniella, just from that one anecdote it's clear how you've broken the cycle. Good on you.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Absolutely!!!

[@emmaray9917]

I agree! As a parent we are meant to explain why we are doing what we are doing to explain the social world we live in. It is about control when we say ‘because I said so’ and it’s so disrespectful to the child.

[@MrDeelightful]

@@emmaray9917 Agreed, and what you said about the lack of respect that shows the child is so important. I didn't grow up in a cult of any kind but I got told that a lot as a kid. If you want respect you have to give it too

[@buradi90]

I personally strive to avoiding telling my son because I said so, which is something I grew up hearing. I explain my reasoning to him. I also ask his opinion on religious topics and what he believes.

[@sarahmoffett1296]

That got me, too. I was abused and controlled as a child and this is something I have never said to my kids. I couldn't even make the words come out. I have always wanted to explain and treat them like little humans

[@artbygilik]

I read about this cult over 20 years ago in a River Phoenix biography. The Phoenix kids were often singing on the streets and basking when they were very young. Hist parents pulled their family out when they finally realized how bad the cult was and changed their last name to Phoenix as a symbol of a rebirth. So sad what happened to him

[@themedia1271]

Okay the fact that the Phoenix family was in this cult explains a lot.

[@Exiled.New.Yorker]

I wish they would speak out. No way that cult is unrelated to River being unalive.

[@heatherangel101]

I love the way your channel is evolving to include people from so many different backgrounds! Props to you for handling so many heavy topics!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you, Heather! Diversity was always the goal, but I just had more access to certain people from certain groups early on. We are so so happy to branch out and love any and all suggestions for guests! I appreciate the support. This one was especially difficult for me to produce ❤️

[@annkupke4263]

Yes diversity is great. So many religions have people who did bad. I was raised Southern Baptist. And the Baptist church they closed many of them cause of church leaders and elders of the church. My stepmother raised me and now that I am older and started attending a different church and going to counseling I broke away from that toxic

[@Theo-zh4qb]

Daniella speaks so eloquently the entire show, but one thing I love immensely, is that when speaking of the terrible people involved she uses that full legal name. As an SA survivor just being able to name names can be so hard, but so helpful. I love everything she has to say.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

We love her! We just recorded another episode with her actually

[@HollieTash]

As soon as I saw Daniella knitting without looking as she's discussing this I knew...a queen.

[@lycianempire]

Also, what a way to soothe anxieties while discussing such horrible experiences.

[@HollieTash]

@@lycianempire definitely, busy hands keep it moving

[@user-wj3yr7xr2f]

My ADHD thought that was a really good way to stay focused on the conversation. I should do that too when I talk to people.

[@SuzyQ-vg3tc]

@@user-wj3yr7xr2f She has said that is why she does it, to focus and to self-soothe ♥👑

[@TheRyelandfamily]

Same. I noticed she was doing something. But until she lifted her hook❤.

[@Joy20712]

I'm only twenty minutes into this podcast, this story is literally insane and I just went and ordered her book, uncultured. I can't wait for it to arrive. As a survivor of abuse as a child, recovery is linear and having brave ppl like who come on your channel and you as well, definitely help in the healing journey. Thank you for being brave and sharing these stories and expanding our knowledge.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you for sharing that, Kacey. I’m so happy to hear it’s helpful in your journey. These types of interviews are definitely hard for me, but they are so important.

[@annkupke4263]

It is so very helpful in healing. You are helping other survivors

[@annkupke4263]

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[@kyyyyyyyyym365]

Same I was on audible buying a copy 15 mins or so in 😂

[@purlmonster]

Thank you for bringing us this interview, Shelise! Daniella's story is horrible, and seeing her now is wonderful. As an absolute aside, when I saw her knitting project at about 53 minutes, I squealed a bit. Knitting can be so comforting

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Love that!! I dont know how she does it but it’s super impressive! She says it helps her relax and think. #tanglefree

[@tombrewsaugh1399]

My wife wasn't in a cult but an abusive household. She lived through mental and physical abuse before the sexual abuse started. She thought she was ok until after our second child was born and the post partum blues set in triggering the flashbacks. We also tried to never answer our daughters questions with " because I said so" or " you're too young to know that". If we didn't know the answer or how to explain it in an age appropriate way we looked up resources. There has been some rough moments in our relationship but through therapy, both individually and as a couple, we have made it 43 years together and raised two independent, free thinking, open minded, and living daughters.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you for sharing and for breaking the toxic cycle. 🙌

[@patricequinn-ee1iy]

This conversation about what cults REALLY are in principle and WHO and HOW they’re formed is so necessary!

[@fionasimagination]

I didn’t grow up in a cult but I was under the care of organised pedophiles and went through serious grooming while they sexually abused me for multiple years from the age of two. I still have a lot of the same problems and struggles that the people you interview that grew up in cults seem to have. It is equally helpful and painful to listen to this. But I believe it feels good not to be so alone with these issues…

[@CultstoConsciousness]

I’m so so so sorry to hear that, Fiona. As a fellow child SA survivor, I see you and I empathize with you. Thank you for sharing and for allowing yourself to take up space and have a voice ❤️🙌

[@itssofluffy1963]

The world has some sick people in it...I have a story as well and the memory never goes away no matter how old u get..it's a life long cut cause I can never feel normal I mean like others and u can't enjoy or understand the feelings "normal" people have..hope ur doing ok or at least trucking through...

[@kaleahcollins4567]

We need international laws of capital corporal punishment for all people who engage in such acts( physical &sexual behaviors with any minor . )

[@ajalikeasia]

That is despicable that you were harmed so deeply, there are no words. Wishing you the absolute best in your life and on your journey to healing and that you find true moments of love/joy along the way. ♥️

[@veevee306]

I was sexually abused and trafficked by my father as a child, and I relate very much to this speaker and downloaded her book. My mother was also sexually abused as a child and willingly protected my dad. I think the most painful thing for me is that it was "just" a family thing. Nobody else was in the abuse with me--my brother was spared. It's a very lonely feeling and it helps to be able to relate to others.

[@michelleblose226]

❤

[@marygard4608]

Please know you are not alone in this, and many great organizations exist to help. Trust your gut-it never lies.

[@annkupke4263]

As a survivor, my counselor stated that when you grow up in abuse as your mother did. She assumed that it was normal. Which it was not. Or that females were expected to do but not males. Hence, that is why your brother was spared. I was also told it is neither good or bad it is what it is. Just break the cycle. Talking about it and helping others to break free. I got to the point where I moved away from toxic family and I try to help a sibling. She has not dealt with the abuse and she tried buying her kids love. She also made the biggest mistake. She let my stepmother help raise her kids. They barely want anything to do with her and now she is estranged from my stepmother. One of her kids is waking up to my stepmother narcissistic ways through his baby momma. His younger brother is living elsewhere but the grandmother is financially supported him.

[@sidstovell2177]

Bah! So sorry!!

[@spirited6086]

Does your guest see a similarity with Trumpism? Does she see Trumpism as a cult?

[@KKonYouTube]

It's so amazing to hear how she was born into horrors of a cult and today is so humble, successful, educated, smart, driven, strong and personable!! What an inspiration for so many different groups of people on so many levels!

[@hexonyou]

i have nowhere near the experience that anyone from the Children of God cult have had, but I truly empathize with having a child who is so like you and seeing them thrive in a way that you never were able to but wanted so much for them. My son and I are so much alike that sometimes all I can do is laugh because I couldn't believe so much of our personalities could be handed down genetically; he's weird and charming and wonderful. Seeing him be himself, have a real friend group, feel comfortable liking the things he likes and dressing/controlling his appearance in the ways that are comfortable for him... seeing this kid with a very similar neurodivergent mix as myself being able to comfortably move through school and the world because he has full support from the people behind him. It is incredibly healing even when sometimes it's also triggering and confronting of the things I was hurt by or missed out on. Good luck in the future Daniella, and thank you so much for sharing your story here today as well as with your book.

[@annaandre9131]

That is so sweet! He's lucky to have you 😊

[@CultstoConsciousness]

That’s so beautiful about your son. Thank you so much for sharing that. He’s lucky to have you!❤️

[@troismoutonsetuntigre5988]

This is one of the continuous joys of my life too - watching my kids move through the world without fear, watching them being in their bodies without shame, watching them make friends without any hesitation, and that they come to me knowing I love them and they love me and not because they are forced to.

[@roxannelilymaria2581]

Recently found your channel. Binged hours upon hours. You are a fantastic podcast host and such an empathetic ear for your guests. Truly enjoy this content and thats before I get started on how much importance these conversations hold!! Thank you!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Crying over here in the comment section 🥹🥲 you don’t know how much that means to me. Thank you for your support and kind words ❤️🙏

[@birtsmomtoo]

Ditto.

[@gwendolineconis9628]

Shelise and Daniella, thank you so much for having the courage to "come out of the closet" and discuss these difficult topics that affect so many of us. I got a lot of validation of my own experience in reading Uncultured and recommend it. Well-written and a page turner although some scenes are hard to stomach. Shelise, cannot wait to read your memoir! I am so proud of both of you ladies. Your work is valued.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you Gwendoline!! I super appreciate that! And I’m so glad you could find validation in her story. I need to get back to writing! ❤️

[@chynnaalyssia]

I didn't grow up in a cult, but I was raised in a very toxic, abusive household. When Daniella explained her triggers as a parent, witnessing beautiful moments with her daughter and struggling, knowing she was deprived of a loving childhood, that really got to me. I am a mother of 4 and I find myself still struggling to heal from my traumatic childhood. There are so many moments in my life as a mother that I see how happy my children are, and it makes me mourn the childhood I so badly wish I had. All I ever wanted was stability and love. That's what all kids want and deserve. But I am so grateful to be breaking the cycle of abuse and raising my kids the way I wish I had been raised. Daniella is incredibly brave for sharing her story and moving forward with so much love in her heart. She is truly inspiriational. I am buying her audiobook today!

[@ambersprague7570]

Similarly, I was raised in an abusive household, and it started young when my stepbrother sexually assaulted me when I was 3, and when I told my stepmom, she slapped me and told me I’d never speak such heinous things ever again. I recently had reason to believe I would see my stepmother and stepbrother in a scenario that I was unwilling to avoid (a funeral of someone I loved dearly), and was talking with my sister about my concerns with it - she has a 3yo daughter. It had been so long since I felt truly triggered by what happened to me, but taking to my sister and hearing my niece, who was the same age I was when I was abused, talking in the background just rocked something in me that hadn’t been disturbed for quite some time. I did end up seeing them at the funeral, but they avoided me, and I made the decision to spend my day as though I was unaware of their presence. I felt powerful.

[@WonderWithHunter]

My ex boyfriend grew up in this cult … he ended up taking his life a few years after we split and dealt with crazy demons his whole life. It’s amazing to see someone from the Family to be thriving

[@MrProbstandrew]

yeah, sadly the amount the amount of us who do that is preety high.. its just messed up on so many levels.. at least she here has now got here mother and family, and her mother prolly understands what happened, and isnt in "denial"..

[@emileeoneil710]

I can’t wait for part 2. It’s fascinating that she was able to see how culty the army is while in it.

[@odapunkt]

For someone who was raped since age four, I feel like the bladder problem has something to do with that. I have read about the changed anatomy from sexual abuse

[@brenda121143]

I hope you recover I pray that God will help you

[@pinkpugginz]

it seriously does cause permanent physical damage.

[@elspethmoon2980]

Also that kind of trauma can cause either too frequent emptying of bladder/bowels or too rarely doing so because it subconsciously helps victims feel safe

[@starlingswallow]

Wait, wait, wait....are you saying that bladder issues are a sign of sexual abuse? I have a friend who was in a children's hospital for 6 months, she said it wasn't good....and she doesn't remember a lot of it....but she has serious bladder issues.😢

[@annkupke4263]

It cause me to not be able to conceive. I was s.b by several family members. Then emotionally and physically abused by my stepmother

[@nickywal]

This cult never stops being one of the most horrifying things to ever exist, I can't even begin to imagine willingly handing over a 3 year old child to be abused, but of course the parents would often have been victims themselves. It doesn't excuse it though

[@danielroselle3625]

The parents were not victims. They willingly joined and subjected their children to this.

[@nickywal]

@@danielroselle3625 The thing is no one joins cults when they're happy, the recruiters are trained to prey on people at their most vulnerable. But once you harm others or enable harm, you stop being a victim imo

[@danielroselle3625]

@@nickywal where does your cult expertise come from?

[@jacquelineleitch7050]

Horror

[@annkupke4263]

Sometimes the children were born into it and grew up rational it was normal of the abuse. But now I realize that it is not okay. The abuser sadly, most of them passed away. I have an Aunt that one of the perpetrators has and she gave houses to her kids but the other victims nothing.

[@astridcrewel7678]

I grew up in a cult where I had to take on a mother role from a very early age and multiple responsibilities such as dropping out of school at 14 to support my mother. (Who was fine, she just didn’t wish to work) Now I’m a constant overachiever with a huge imposter syndrome complex that I’m working on. I grew up a people pleaser because growing up if I didn’t do everything and do it perfect, I was shunned and just a problem. Being able to realize the signs of toxic environments starting to develop has saved my life several times now.

[@sarahmoffett1296]

I didn't grow up in a cult, but had an abusive and neglectful childhood. My mom checked out emotionally when I was 13 so I became mom of my much younger siblings until we got out of that home. She went back, but I stayed away and got emancipated when I was 15. I've also always been an overachiever and hyper independent. You really made me think about how that happened. I've only had myself to depend on so I always thought there was no option to fail.

[@advocacynaccountablity]

I've felt the same way about "purity" culture since I was very young. It always felt super creepy.

[@cherylmaden5989]

I went to a Presbyterian elementary and middle school, but my family was Catholic. Both my father and I thought the whole "purity promise" and the idea of " belonging to your dad who then hands you off to your husband" was really really creepy. We spoke about it at length and I luckily had a wonderful caring intelligent dad who I was very close to. He was an amazing male role model and never ever shied away from ANY questions I had. I remember he and I talking at length about this and how that idea felt wrong and icky and had nothing to do with any religious beliefs. He was a great dad and I miss him every day. It's crazy to me that fathers of other girls could co-sign this crap. Even if the little girls don't know better, their dads should.

[@nedsanders]

What a difficult story. I'm so glad she rose above this tremendous monstrosity She should never have had to go through this horrible experience. What an inspiration !!

[@ryrify]

I dated a guy who had grown up in this cult. He and his siblings were all damaged but in such a deep way it was impossible for me to understand the complexity at the time. I had no idea how horrific it really was and I cannot believe what those kids must have gone through.

[@1957Moonmaiden]

Shelise, I just discovered your channel last week and I am HOOKED! I love your thoughtful and compassionate moderation and your sensitivity toward your guests, and your listeners. I'm hooked. Thank you for your compassionate heart and intelligent mind, and thank you for sharing those things with all of us. You're amazing.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hi Kaila! Aww thank you so much! 🥰 your kind words mean a lot to me. I do my best to provide a safe space for the guest so I’m really happy my intent shines through. ❤️ welcome to C2C!

[@maggielee1870]

This is the first video I've watched of this channel. I will never understand how someone can look at your innocent child and pass them off to grown men.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

It’s awful. Beyond words

[@betsybabf748]

Even beyond cults, in the age of the internet and widely spread information, we are better seeing the numbers of those willing to sexualize children in this world. Even with the numbers we see, knowing there are so many more hidden, the large amount of perpetrators is downright frightening. In years past we thought of it as only a few sick individuals would have any sexual attraction to children, and shockingly, that is not the case. It is a horrific human behavior we have to understand more and work to fix it and stop it proactively, not just fix the damage after the abuse is done.

[@sibyllehartmann3417]

Shelise is an incredible interviewer! The best! She is super smart, empathetic and I can’t say enough about her talents.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

How kind of you! Thank you so much for your support 🥰

[@notbydesign3316]

I enjoy that you don't rush your conversations, even just to celebrate your guest's accomplishments. Your empathy and humanity (in my mind) is what makes you and your content shine! And a serious side note: I'm grateful for you not censoring your videos. I know the algorithm can be punishing when talking about serious topics like sexual assault, trafficking etc. But I struggle to take content seriously when they beat around the bush to get a point across. If I were more fortunate I'd be so glad to support your Patreon ❤

[@notbydesign3316]

For now I'll have to pay with likes and engagement 😂

[@denize7139]

I am doing a rewatch on this episode because I have been thinking about it for two months. I have gotten so much healing and inspiration to continue my healing journey from this video. Thank you Daniella so much for your story. Thank you Shalice for compassionately leading us through her story.

[@renwhit100]

A good friend of mine and his girlfriend were both in the military, and he told me once that at least among the unit he was in, the phrase "drink the kool-aid" was used very regularly as an *encouragement* or to chastise people who were being insubordinate. I haven't been able to get that out of my mind since. he was the first person i ever heard directly compare the military and cults, so hearing it from someone who survived one as gruesome as this is really powerful. super excited to read her next book when it comes out!

[@zenobiaboyd4246]

Daniellas book is excellent , moving, disturbing and honest. She’s a survivor and I admire her so much, and want to look after her heart. You are amazing.

[@ExperiencingLiminality]

Seeing people given such an amazing platform to talk about their high demand/control experiences and the lasting effects it has on your mind and body is so empowering. I love the space you offer your guests to just be their true selves and tell their stories as they are. Shelise you are an incredible presence/conduit for people to explore their traumas and further their healing ❤ continue to remember to look after yourself as well ❤

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you so so much Hunter! That means a lot! I straight up had an emotional breakdown while editing this last night. But I’m grateful for the opportunity to look at my own traumas and learn how to better take care of myself and the areas that need healing. These stories need to be told, and hearing so much validation for that is proof. Thank you!❤️❤️

[@ExperiencingLiminality]

You’re doing amazing! But don’t forget that we will be here even if you ever need a break! You are Important ❤

[@pageypie]

The way I literally dropped my jaw when I heard “largest high schools in the Houston area” and the years and wondered why this episodes guest looked so familiar. If part 2 confirms what I’m thinking I may have gone to high school with this guest!

[@starlingswallow]

Cool! Let us know if you did!

[@annboykin7446]

Sex is a physical act. Love is not!!! Now, love between consenting adults can make a sexual experience amazing. Sex with a child is not love. It's rape, control, and inflicting trauma and pain!!!

[@carolfulton-kennedy2482]

Just now ordered your book Daniella. What a remarkable woman you are 💜 Shelise, your channel! I am addicted to watching these incredible stories. Thankyou so much for educating me 🩵

[@awnage]

I ran into the "Children of God" when I lived in Russia in the late 90s. I still have some of their pamphlets in Russian. Thankfully most of the college students they were proselytizing to recognized it as a cult.

[@MartineReed]

I hope you have since spoken to the FBI.

[@issecret1]

Yes, I'm sure the FBI will try to help the people stuck in a cult in Russia

[@MartineReed]

@@issecret1 Dense. You are dense. It has nothing to do with “rescuing” anybody. But I’m not going to explain it to some rando smash and grab on YT. Have a nice day.

[@danielroselle3625]

Yup. My brother was there in Rostov in the late 90s.

[@cl5470]

I was the logical kid in a very strict Irish Catholic family. Also a born athiest. I remember when I was about 5 and started to understand death. I went to my grandmother and asked what happens when you die? She gave the standard "you go to heaven". I had already figured out that Santa was fake and figured the god stuff was along the same lines so I said "No, but what REALLY happens?" She had no response. I remember that the concept of God never made sense. I have a mother who has a mother and so on, how could God not have an origin like I did if I was supposed to be made in his image? It never added up for me. I didn't admit to being an athiest until I was a teenager. It did not go over well. Almost all of my family has since left the church after my grandparents passed. It turns out that I wasn't alone in having doubts about our religion, I was just the only one who couldn't keep it to myself. Yeah, I am also not neurotypical as I learned years later when my son was born with autism. Interesting how much we all have in common, even if the controlling organization is different. The control tactics are all the same. I was also told I should be a lawyer. 😂

[@miaomiaochan]

I was told NOT to be a lawyer, and the reasoning was that I was too sensitive and prone to angry emotional outbursts when I perceived injustice. It turned out I had ADHD, which made me much more prone to emotional dysregulation and justice sensitivity.

[@Katie2986]

I was raised (American) Irish-Catholic too, but luckily from the Liberation Theology and Catholic Worker perspective. Eventually we all left the church aside from my Dad, my Mom and I over women’s issues.

[@lethaldream50]

i was "born agnostic" in a catholic family which is almost the same thing (i'm an atheist now, but as a child i felt like i didn't know enough to feel like there was no higher power specifically, i just knew that the bible didnt make any sense and church and catholic school didnt make sense) it seems we have some things in common. before they found out i'm an atheist, my parents once said that when i was really young (like 5) i was "so smart" for asking what happens when we die. i don't remember asking that but it sounds like me. what you said about logic and santa claus reminded me of something i do remember though: i was 6 and my slightly older cousins were over and we were sitting in a room alone at xmas and we started having a debate about whether santa claus was real. i didn't believe in the bible because it was stories but i did believe in "facts books" i literally was a kid who read dictionaries and encyclopedias "for fun"... i had been given this book for xmas that i immediately read that was a hardback book that had "facts" about santa's journey in it or something and it had "real quotes" from people who worked at air traffic control towers or NASA or something in it talking about how they accommodate santa in it and because it was presented in this science-y way the same way that encyclopedias were and i wasn't young enough to have realized that science or "professionals" can lie or be wrong so i got really exasperated with my cousins for "not believing the evidence" ...... .... which is both funny but also pretty allegorical for a lot of religious brainwashing stuff. and very weird too lol

[@RockLibertyWarrior]

"Born atheist" nothing to brag about. So you consider yourself a "skeptic" OK, "skeptic" can you explain to me how something came out of nothing? No "skeptic" or "atheist" has been able to, they either stammer or mutter under their breath that "science hasn't figured it out yet" or they call me names. No "skeptic" has been able to do that. Under "atheist" regimes like Stalin and Mao millions of people we're slaughtered, what do you say to that, skeptic? 🙄

[@Bachconcertos]

My Catholic grammer school was loving and normal. Thank God.

[@RUPrepping]

Wow...another 5 star interview!!! Thank you for bringing awareness to these unimaginable heartbreaking topics. I'm flabbergasted, sad & thankful. You are gifted at interviewing such sensitive topics.

[@marcil9516]

I watched this video on Thursday. It is Sunday and I have already found and finished the audiobook and holy shit. Daniella went through some truly horrific shit for decades, and still decided to use her voice to help other people. I'm genuinely amazed and inspired by this woman.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Incredible, isn’t it? 🥲

[@marcil9516]

@@CultstoConsciousness genuinely ❤️

[@HolldollMcG]

THANK YOU for mentioning your opposition to "because I said so."! I firmly believe that if you cannot give your child a reason for your will, then it's because there isn't a reason, you just wanna be obeyed no matter what. And if you can't be bothered to explain something to a child, it's because you don't view them as a person. Kids are smart, and they are eager and willing to learn, even if it takes a couple tries. Trust them. Be gentle with them. Teach them your reasoning and eventually they'll learn to govern themselves without you needing to direct their every action.

[@Daughterchasya]

Well said!!!!!!!!

[@sngray11]

Thank you for having Daniella onto discuss her experiences in the Children of God cult. Even though I didn’t grow up in a cult, I too endured CSA, SA, and r-word when I was growing up.

[@annaandre9131]

Now i wanna see part 2. That was interesting. She's lucky she's so intelligent because she was able to see through this madness and escape.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Goal is to release it tomorrow!

[@metalcatmom5891]

What an absolute bad ass! My eyes literally popped open when she said all cults have comics. I still have the comic from the evangelical fundamentalist background I left. I'm not sure why, it is tucked away in the Bible I haven't yet disgarded and I'm not quite sure why I have either of them still.

[@deec6535]

I grew up in a doomsday cult, nothing like cult described here, for sure. I later escaped and joined the Navy, then was attached with Marines. I would comfortable say both of those are cults. I recall the sad realization at RTC after completing Battle Stations realizing that the music was designed to play on our emotions and bond us to the group. It’s a cult.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Oh wow! Thank you for your perspective on that. Part 2 coming tomorrow ❤️

[@Pippins666]

Navy veteran here. The "Barack's mentality" is essential in warfare - and that is the basic premise of the armed forces - it is what wins battles when the odds are against you, it's what can keep you or your mates alive. I had not previously considered the similarities between that culture and a cult, and it is quite correct. The problem comes when there is no war, but the cult behaviour continues. The police have it in spadefuls! Which is why there is so much corruption, so many unnecessary civilian deaths, all covered up by the police cult - all for one and one for all. We have seen it time and again in the UK, and I can't believe the US is any different.

[@aprilwashington3150]

I'm so grateful people have a safe space to share their stories, heal, and prevent others from getting preyed on.

[@jojocaitlin8508]

I'm so happy I found your channel. I consider learning about religious cults as a kind of hobby of mine. I was raised christian and I believe having the knowledge and awareness of cults/ how they run is incredibly valuable information.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Welcome to C2C! Glad you enjoy learning more. I do too!

[@amyp6684]

In 1994, I became friends with a guy that was born into this cult (and came out of it). I remember him telling me horrific stories, and thinking they were normal.

[@LYAveiga]

Very easy to think shorty things were normal cause we didn't have many references or critical thinkers amongst us

[@MartineReed]

@@LYAveiga Are you using the word “shorty” purposefully? My pedo-X always used that word. Does it mean child sex partner?

[@janahcoaching]

It's great to see people who endured so much pain, actually thrive, educate and take control. Of course some trauma you might never completely heal from, but being able to experience joy and happiness, learn and evolve is already a huge win. Love this lady.

[@jaclynrichmond1049]

I just wanted to add, this women gets what Linda listen means, best Linda listen so far 🎉

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Not gonna lie, she pretty much nailed it lol 😎

[@BunnyDarko]

This woman is a FIERCE *BUTTERFLY* 🥰 Thank you for platforming such a powerful story of overcoming struggle with intelligence, courage, and righteousness!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

What an amazing description!!! Couldn’t agree more!

[@BunnyDarko]

@@CultstoConsciousness Can you say who 'Uncle Jerry' was?

[@jdr9419]

My understanding is that the late actor River Phoenix was raised in this cult.

[@petalchild]

He was, I believe from ages 3 to 9

[@Momma_Vanessa]

As was actress, Rose McGowan

[@harley6222]

Wow!

[@cl5470]

His family left when he was young. His older brother River likely traced some of his drug issues back to his time in the cult though.

[@heyhiitsava]

Daniella is truly the definition of a survivor taking back her life into her own hands, and its really beautiful to listen to her tell her story while also giving advice and quotes which helped her through her healing journey. She is such an inspiring woman! I also loved what she said about physically owning your story in the form of a book, that inspires me to write my own memoirs, even just for myself. Amazing episode!

[@jojowynne233]

Shelise, I know I’ve watched Daniella before in an interview but you really do have something special. Whether it’s the female aspect, shared cult experience, I don’t know but your ability outshines others. Keep up the amazing work ❤️

[@bettebrazel708]

I just recently discovered Cults to Consciousness when your story came up on my feed, then I immediately bought and read your book in 1 day. I'm a 1st generation COG survivor who joined in Tucson at age 18 in 1969 and finally left from Ecuador in 1987 , this time with 3 kids, the oldest of whom who had been sent to a 'teen home' in Peru. I personally knew Moses David and the whole family and worked with Jethro and Deborah for years. But early on I got a reputation as a rebel and ended up being shipped from one backwater to another. That was because a part of me never believed from the very beginning, but another part listened to their BS that I was just not submitted to God's will. After leaving, I eventually went back to the U.S., got a degree in Business Management and went on to have a successful corporate career before retiring in 2017. I feel like I'm still recovering my whole self and some of your points were very helpful. For example you can't really begin recovering while you're in survival mode which I found to be very true because as you said it's pretty exhausting just trying to fit in to regular society and corporate culture. Which leads me to your next great point that so many organizations are very cult like. I had the same sinking feeling working both in a mainstream Christian school setting, start-up businesses and large corporations - I've just joined another cult! In large publicly traded corporations CEO and Board of Director egos run amuck, the only difference being you don't necessarily have to give sex (but that does happen) and you get a paycheck and get to go home at night. It's only now that I'm retired that I feel the freedom to live the life I want and I'm grateful everyday. Wishing you all the best in your continued life and freedom1

[@DominiqueSuberville924]

“The body keeps score.” I’ve never been in a cult or the military but I did grow up in a high-demand family of perfectionists and high achievers while also undergoing reconstructive plastic surgery during my entire childhood. I’ve been diagnosed with PTSD and have abandoned the low-demand Mexican Catholicism I grew up with. It’s weird to relate so much to her experiences. Specifically to “The body keeps score”. I carry every experience of surgeries and hospitals with me and the inability to have had a voice and choice during all that time. It got quite dark for a while but like she says, finding peace and tranquility is healing. It’s been years in the making. A great interview and thank you for that simple phrase. It nailed it on the head for me.

[@troismoutonsetuntigre5988]

There's a book by that same name which has helped me and a lot of other survivors of abuse enormously - its by Bessel van der Kolk

[@jacquelineleitch7050]

Wow? Did you grow up in LA?

[@SaltySerial]

As a someone whos not American, who sees a lot of Americna media and social media, I've always found the American public's relarionship with the military, in general, to be very cult-like.

[@betsybabf748]

I've never seen it at all as cult-like. It is simply respect and appreciation for those who voluntarily offer to risk their own lives in order to protect ours and our freedoms, which we should appreciate and respect. We thank and respect their families as well, as they also sacrifice for our citizens.

[@miriam4235]

@betsybabf748 your response sounds very cultlike tho. The sacrifice of your young people?

[@roni_aust1594]

That's exactly how I brought up my daughter. I treated her like a little human and told others to do the same when they visited. I am proud of her for doing the same with her daughter.

[@deniseconsultant1538]

I have to tell you I can only watch so much of this. I cannot binge on this, usually two videos is my max in a day. Because I’m so emotionally embroiled and and some of their pain the way you speak and have them speak just touches my heart and I can onlyhandle so much I guess thank you so much for just enlightening the rest of the world. There’s so much to be done to help others.

[@MelodyRoseKayCole]

I grew up southern Baptist but my mom for sure had a lot of these types of extreme rules about dressing and especially about food control. When teachers were concerned about my sisters and I being severely underweight because my mom always had us on some diet, she decided to homeschool us. And she was obsessed with us not having sex. When I was 14, she came into my room and just casually told me "out of the three of you girls, I think you'd be the first to get pregnant before you're married." I hadn't even held hands with a boy. And that kind of rhetoric led to me feeling like I had to marry the guy I lost my virginity to and it was an incredibly abusive relationship that, thankfully, I managed to leave. The way you speak to your kids matters! The things you instill in your children matters!

[@brandy4530]

Almost the exact same thing happened to me! My mom was obsessed with food and sex. I grew up so emaciated that people would make comments, and she would freak out if people fed me as a child. The older I got the less people cared though. When I was 17 my mother woke me up screaming because she had a dream I was pregnant. It was like 2 o’clock in the morning and interrogated me for an hour. She had been harassing and humiliating me about sex before I even hit puberty. When I lost my virginity I didn’t tell a living soul. I was terrified of someone finding out. To this day, I’m 40, I haven’t discussed it with anyone in real life.

[@RitaAndCarol]

Sorry for both of you. I grew up in a church of Christ and although it wasn’t as extreme as some of the things I’ve heard, it was still traumatizing and I still have triggers from it. It takes a lot of undoing and healing.

[@colonelweird]

I just discovered this channel after seeing the new episode, but I was especially excited to listen to this one. I know someone who is ex-COG -- she was in the cult for about 5 years in the 70s & got out just as Moses David's revelations about sex with children and flirty fishing were filtering down the hierarchy, through Mo Letters, to COG groups around the world. She had spent most of her time selling COG's end times literature on street corners. So she didn't see the worst of it, but her experiences were still terrible, and scarred her for life. Her kids were probably born around the time Daniella's mother was born. Daniella's statement that purity culture and sex cults are actually closely related is fascinating, and I'd like to see that explored more deeply. My friend certainly had experiences that confirm a connection. Her story was in the public eye, so she was known as a naive, pretty, young woman who escaped a sex cult -- that image attracted a certain sort of man in the mainstream Christian circles where she established herself, with predictable results. The sex cult and Christian purity are both built on misogyny & patriarchy. It's enraging to see how women bear the brunt of this evil. I look forward to listening to the episode on the Army's cultish aspects. The overwhelming popularity of the military in this country makes me think this is treading on dangerous ground. As a leftist I've always been highly critical of militarism and imperial warmaking, but I have never given much thought to this aspect of the issue. And I will definitely be reading Uncultured. Thanks so much for this interview.

[@lj9524]

This cult is just one of many. Disgusting, horrifying and heartbreaking….I am so sorry for the abuse Daniella suffered. 💔

[@daniellegeervander1200]

You are a very good interviewer and the way you frame your questions is so very respectful, wow so inspiring.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Wow, thank you! That means a lot ❤️

[@MsNooneinparticular]

So much respect for these folks including Ricky Rodriguez (R.I.P.). When the law doesn't do a damn thing about child abusers, it should be legal to take them out so they never hurt another person. Call it self defense, revenge, vigilantism, karma... doesn't matter. Crimes that horrific cannot go unpunished. This is one case where the moms/women were just as bad as the men, engaging directly in the sexual abuse of small children. There's written/illustrated proof for anyone with a strong stomach. This woman is an inspiration who did really well for herself in spite of the trauma. Bless. 💚

[@jacquelineleitch7050]

Although it must be said here that it is statistically 95% men and 5% women.

[@robyn7287]

So much trauma to overcome. You’ve educated yourself and found a way to express your emotions and feelings which is obviously helping. However while talking I notice you appear stressed and I hope this interview hasn’t triggered you too much and made your next few weeks difficult. You are so inspiring and I wish you great success for your future.😊

[@jozsefizsak]

It's some comfort to know that Daniella is turning the experiences of a horrific childhood into something positive and educating others about how our minds work, thus perhaps preventing some people being led astray. by these manipulators. I wonder how many people understand that pedophiles will offer their own baby daughters up to the group because they have convinced themselves that no one is too young to consent and the kids themselves want it. I read about this decades ago and the knowledge has been hard to live with, but actually going through it is impossible for me to imagine. Thank you for shining a light on how wretchedly apparently sane people can behave. Perhaps we can stop some of them going forward.

[@KettleBlacktheBat]

You know, I'm noticing a trend of using hip hop or trendy urabn themes with their propaganda. It is HIGHLY disconcerting especially when you view the classist and racism aspects of a lot of these cults.

[@PrincessJamiG]

That struck me with the Children's music video, too.

[@smalls9852]

Such an incredible guest. She is so well spoken.

[@gpgp1841]

I don't know if I have the stomach to watch this particular interview even tho I'm so glad that this channel gives a voice to those affected by abuse. Maybe it's a random connection but I've recently watched an interview from Antoni Padilla "Mary survived satanic cult rituals" (epic trigger warning, extremely disturbing stories), it made me want to cry. But Mary seems like such a sweet soul, maybe you'd like to interview her too.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Oh we TOTALLY understand that. Something that could be very helpful, is letting it play on your phone or computer on silent, so the retention tells the algorithm that people want to watch and will boost its reach. 😁 great suggestion too! I’ll look into her.

[@gpgp1841]

I'll gladly help with the algorithm, I know how mean it is🙃

[@conbadaro6919]

I’m Brazilian American citizen and never heard about this cult 😢in my country. It is one of the worse cult l ever heard about, using kids in god’s name🤮 😮😢 😭 I’m proud of you learning Portuguese as it is a very hard language to learn because of the phonetic and a huge grammar. Congratulations You’re a pretty young lady and very smart❤❤

[@danihawkinspreissler8017]

I just bought your book "Uncultured". can't wait to read this one AND the next one that you're still working on, Daniela. Really incredible story. thank you for sharing!

[@evadneanderson7474]

I was raised in a cult and I got out early, then I joined the military, and spent a lot of time hating it and laughing at it and now I realize its because I'd already dissected one cult and therefore it was easier to see through yet another cultic group.

[@jamesgoines4635]

Man this episode is so hard to get through. You two are very strong for talking about this I don’t think I ever could.

[@minniemoths]

You should investigate IBLP, a good book to read is Lovingly Abused by Heather Heath, I'd love to hear your takes

[@TheMoonDejesus]

I wasn’t raised Christian. I was raised in a nature based belief system that isn’t shameful about sex. I’m naturally pretty respectful of sex in an organic way. My fundamentalist Christian family are constantly obsessed with the world being sexual. They’re mad at every commercial where there’s too much skin even if just a lotion ad. They’re constantly making kids cover up. It’s so weird. I’m almost never thinking about sex comparatively.

[@user-wj3yr7xr2f]

A friend of mine joined a Christian cult. And as the supportive friend Iam, I went with him for a while. And they preached purity. No sex before marriage, men and women could only spend time together at church or at church events. I must say. I have never thought so much about sex or felt so aroused all the time as I did then. 😂😂 And then you should know I am a BDSM practitioner and have lived polyamores for years before that point. 😁So if the intention is to prioritize god above our human desires, that's not the way to do it.. One young man actually got a bit nuts and wanted to leave. But the group wouldn't let him off the hook that easily. So for awhile he went and lived with my friends sister, who wasn't in the cult. He fell in love with her but couldn't deal with it very well. No one knows exactly how or why it happened but he shot her one night. And sh died at once. This was a total surprise for everyone, because this was usually a nice young man, not violent at all. And guns are illegal in Sweden, people don't have access to guns here. But my guess is that the cults manipulation drove him insane. Especially those last month, when they were after him constantly.

[@stephanieamy3721]

Another inspirational interview was truly heartbreaking and powerful at the same time. I am heading to Audible to download the book. Thank you, Daniella, for taking the time to give this interview.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

❤️❤️❤️

[@jaclynrichmond1049]

I could really relate to her when she said, 911 made her wonder if they were the bad guy. My walking away from the church had alot to do with their national agenda against others. I cant remember the phrase she coined, but it describes the moment the authority of that religion fell, and thats what happened to me.

[@MartineReed]

Jaclyn: another commenter posted on this thread that he ran into the Children of God in Russia in the late 1990’s. If you know Purim’s history with the Saudis, this makes perfect sense. Putin came to power in 1999 and soon the whole world started to crash. 🙁🙁🙁

[@laurettaleone6482]

I love your interview style and compassion. This collaboration of womyn supporting womyn is also a break from patriarchy that is the system we have lived in for thousands of years. So many amazing things in this video and the other interviews you do. Such intelligent womyn sharing things so deeply important, that need exposing so they can be shifted in our world. It is amazing to see you two brave the wilderness. BRAVO. BRAVO. !

[@sidstovell2177]

Womyn. Love it!

[@R0291-l1l]

YES girl go OFF on the military, definitely listening to pt. 2

[@angesoup]

What a positive and healing communication you all are having! I love to see women empowered by their truth

[@AmyFutch]

Omg I just watched an interview with her last night and was wondering, when is cults to consciousness going to have her on!!!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Hah! I love that so much!! Feel free to let me know if you have any more thoughts like that about guests, because chances are if you feel that way, others do too and there are just so many people I don’t know about until someone brings them up. 😁❤️

[@JigglyPuff_JesusChristLovesYou]

I’m so, so sorry for what you went through. Children (or adults) should NEVER be put in these situations. ✝️❤️

[@awnage]

31:52 As Eric July says: "Monetize your haters". Well done.

[@charisleighmusic]

The two of you are a powerful magic in this conversation. I just bought uncultured and I’m moving toward getting that “don’t talk to me, I’m disrespectful” T-shirt.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Thank you for supporting!

[@brooke_reiverrose2949]

Yay for knitting as a soothing stim! Not realizing you are hungry is a trait of autism (interoception) and not wanting to take care of it right away (executive function) is a sign of several neurodivergencies, fyi

[@thegreencat9947]

I crochet...very soothing.

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

Well, I guess I’ll add those to on my growing list of reasons I’m probably autistic.

[@alasshewasthehighwaywoman8886]

dude honestly these are all things NTs do as well?! you can't autism the very moon in the sky

[@emily79519]

Just because not people can do something too, doesn't mean it's not a trait a lot of autistic people have. Why do you feel the need to comment that when you don't have autism yourself?​@@alasshewasthehighwaywoman8886

[@danihawkinspreissler8017]

so informative. thank you for this video. You are so respectful and always have great questions Shelise. Looking forward to part 2. I've added "Uncultured" to my reading list!

[@alicetwain]

Am I the only one that wants to see what she is knitting? (I am on the first sock of a pair, copying them from my late grannie's).

[@daniellegeervander1200]

This is sooooo very important to put out there! This is so clarifying, scary! Thank you for making this content! So very interesting.

[@bethowens8863]

I remember going on a family holiday to DisneyWorld when I was 9. We were going to see one of the shows, and they played what was pretty much a military propaganda video before the show started and encouraged people to 'cheer for the troops' (this was 2004, so the height of the Afghanistan/Iraq wars). It was REALLY intense; some people were crying, whooping, waving flags etc. My family is English, so my brother and I were sitting there really confused and thinking 'wtf?' (this culture around the armed forces just doesn't exist in the UK and was very strange to us). My Dad elbowed me and hissed "Just clap!" in my ear. I think he was afraid someone might criticize us for being disrespectful. Looking back, the whole atmosphere felt very cult-like - there was this sense of almost religiosity and putting troops no this pedestal to the point where they were regarded as supreme beings, rather than mere mortals. I sometimes wonder if this has fed into the high rates of mental health issues in veterans.

[@SpanishBarbie96]

I’m new here and I just want to say thank you for your dedication to these victims to getting their stories out! This has made so many things click for me. Hope it can open up other people’s eyes!

[@lisajackson9431]

I'm looking forward to watching this! Years ago, I read a really good book about this cult titled "Jesus Freaks" by Don Mattin. Good read. 👍🏾

[@l.janecliftonrozell4707]

I’m sorry for all you went threw I hope you find peace & keep on telling your story much love ❤

[@stephenfisher3721]

When I was a student at the University of Iowa in 1975, there were some unknown people walking around Iowa City in biblical type garb. As a religiously inclined person, I was curious and started to walk up to one of them to engage him in conversation. At the last moment, I turned around. It wasn't as if I changed my mind;on the contrary. It was as if some supernatural force made me turn around. Later The Daily Iowan ran a series of articles about students who had gone off with this cult; as I recall some were even married graduate students and seemingly quite stable. Some families hired deprogrammers to rescue their loved ones. The Daily Iowan interviewed experts and discussed Korean brain washing techniques. I remember one article mentioned that this cult was especially successful with religiously inclined persons. They would tap into your desire to serve God and convince you that you were serving God by following their orders. This brainwashing took place when the subjects were disoriented, eating out of garbage cans, and sleep deprived. I have always wondered what would have happened if I had talked to the cult member and what was the supernatural force that had me turn around? Who/what/why protecting me?

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Woaaah that’s wild. I think I’ve heard of this one but forgot the name. Some mentioned it to me a long time ago. How they prey on college kids. I’m so glad you dodged that bullet!

[@fortmacmom3122]

The Moonies perhaps?

[@merriferrell2818]

I remember that. So much of it is focused on faith as believing without experiencing, not questioning, and suffering, obedience are required

[@tanirae]

What a fantastic interview. Thank you for spotlighting Daniella ad her book. She is the most fascinating, open brilliant (and beautiful) woman I have known. Her book is important and gripping and a must read.

[@DeborahCannon-x5u]

I love your work..i was fascinated to see the corallation of tactics for control and coercion are very similar to many religious cults including the jehovahs witnesses that i escaped from..it was also great to realise that us ex culties can spot the same coercion used in secular life..im also a crochet kind of gal and i love to write..your brilliantly articulate way of explaining the psychology is inspirational..recovery is a long process..i had to learn to accept and love myself and i also self harmed..must read your book...ty so much...x

[@billionaireist]

This is one if the best podcasts I ever listed too!! Clear, articulate, filled with insight about life, in addition to the topic.

[@CultstoConsciousness]

Wow, thank you!🥰🥰🥰