The Original Plans for Terminator 3 and the Franchise

[@SuperiorSuit]

I'm so glad they chose Robert Patrick as the T-1000 I'd argue he's way more terrifying and his performance less human like than Arnold's T800

[@nicholasbennett7367]

Lance henrikson was supposed to be the terminator in the original. So Cameron basically got that idea in the second film and it was awesome

[@39Hundred]

Many years ago, I saw a documentary on the making of T2. James Cameron said Robert Patrick reminded him of a cat. Very alert. Analyzing his surroundings. He said the way Robert Patrick moves is very smooth and fluid. He also compared the Arnold model to a tank while the T-1000 is like a Porsche.

[@nicholasbennett7367]

@@39Hundred Patrick was much more frightening when I saw this as a kid!

[@regish759]

Patrick is awesome, no other actor could have given such a breathtaking performance ! Pun intended, since he managed to run after Connor's Honda XR and not only keep pace with it as intended, but at first even catching up to it easily (that would've made for an awful short flick) and forcing himself to slow down in later takes, all while restraining his breathing through his nostrils alone, keeping a straight and emotion-free face from start to end !! This never ceazes to blow my mind each time I rewatch this sequence...

[@BillMcCabe-l9x]

Just glad they didnt go with Billy Idol lol

[@Antonio_Ortiz]

That original Terminator 3 script sounded way more interesting than what we got. Love these videos.

[@Former_Employee]

Imo it seems too convoluted.

[@carastone3473]

Interesting, but a little bit all over the place. I wouldn’t have wanted to see Sarah die.

[@egb50000]

@@Former_Employee Yeah, I agree sounds like this movie could have been two movies. But it wouldn't be good without Cameron writing it.

[@TechnologicallyTechnical]

I’ve read the script (you can find it online) and it’s REALLY bad. There’s a few interesting ideas, but the execution and dialogue is utterly atrocious for the most part. Anyone who says it’s better either hasn’t read it or has brain damage.

[@Simcitywok]

It does, but what happens? They save the world again and there’s no arc for the characters other than maybe John. What we got was infinitely worse: “talk to the hand”

[@albundy7794]

The opening scene of T2 is one of the best of all time. Killer future war stuff, awesome voiceover by Linda Hamilton, Future John Connor looking totally bad-ass, and then cue up brilliant score by Brad Fidel as the endo-skull appears through flames. Unabashed genius.

[@House_of_Data]

6 year old me was so conflicted over how it was such total bad assery AND absolute nightmare fuel at the same time

[@yugen]

@@House_of_Data Literally awesome to see as a kid in the early 90's

[@apphappy3796]

@@albundy7794 Its a good thing to start a scifi film with action to engage the audience right from start like George Lucas did in Star Wars. It worked didn't it?

[@nickmitsialis]

Hell, I think we all agree that those few minutes continue to be better than a huge number of movies that have been released since then.

[@yugen]

@@apphappy3796 It's called a "hook" and it's one of the first things they will teach in any good literature/writing class.

[@johnplemmons5075]

3:04 HAHAHAHA! “Cameron refused feeling OJ wouldn’t be believed as a killer!” 😂

[@lightyagami1752]

Well, neither did that jury 😅

[@thecandlemaker1329]

@@lightyagami1752 They recently asked one of the jurors whether he would convict OJ if he could back in time, and he said no, he would've still acquitted him because OJ is black. Ladies and gentlemen, American justice!

[@terryrocks2j]

@@thecandlemaker1329 One of them did regret though. He felt a killer did get off.

[@mucy2807]

lol 😂

[@gamephreak5]

@@thecandlemaker1329 Ah, so OJ's lawyer switching out all his modern "White" furniture to traditional African themed furniture just before the investigation took place did help OJ's chances of acquittal!

[@CorinnaXcool]

Sarah Connor Chronicles was best continuation of T2. I wish it hadn’t been canceled. The overall atmosphere of that show was perfection.

[@ScotsGal]

Totally agree ...I loved the Sarah Connor chronicles....it was better than T3 ,Genysis or the vile Dark Fate

[@kathygonzalez1413]

​@@ScotsGalI agree 👍

[@Omnitrader]

Also agreed. I was hooked on that show. And they did so much with a tv budget.

[@gogereaver349]

@@ScotsGal to bad fox owned it they just love to cancle everything even when there good,

[@majorborngusfluunduch8694]

​@@OmnitraderConsidering the TV shows coming out today, TSCC was ahead of its time and that's what hurt it behind the scenes. Imagine if the show had come out alongside the likes of The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones. Season Three would have been green lit without question, I'm sure of it.

[@leewright1]

The tragic irony of O.J. not being seen as a killer. There's a lesson there. Also: now we know where "I must draw you" comes from.

[@EmperorGuyver]

Yeah, the lesson is just do more research. Learn who Glen Rogers is

[@ferrismcfly16]

@@leewright1 aronold said draw me like your French girls 😂

[@Hallowpool193]

I wonder how people would react as OJ being the terminator now

[@jokerz7936]

​@@Hallowpool193 OJ being in the Naked Gun movies or Towering Inferno doesn't affect my opinion on them.

[@ConwayGilligan2011]

Simpson was cast as The Terminator before we cast him. That is 100% NOT TRUE. And I should know," Hurd tweeted Thursday, before confirming that Lance Henriksen was formally considered for the part. "Jim and I never ever considered O.J. Not even for a nanosecond."

[@BigDaddyJinx]

That original plan for T3 sounds like something I would've enjoyed. More than what we were actually given.

[@shaise]

Edward Furlong dropped the ball hard and I feel if he was cast he would've been in a better spot today. Fucking hell

[@DrQuagmire1]

@@shaise agreed!!! while Nick Stahl did an alright job with the material he worked with, he wasn't as good as Edward Furlong

[@Alamandorious]

Eh. I kinda like the concept that Skynet was a virus that became self aware after it infected, well, Skynet. It kinda makes the whole 'humans are my enemy' thing more believable, since human would have been trying to 'kill' it while it was in virus form.

[@Psych1_-]

I think they should have just rebooted the movie essentially for T3. They prevented Skynet from winning, but it only pushed back AI going bad. John Connor isn't essential as the future had been changed. They'd need to make big changes so it's not a copy of T1 or T2, no easy task. The Terminator/Terminators should feel similar but different as they weren't created by skynet. John and Sarah Connor aren't important. Because the time line has been changed the Terminator doesn't even know who they are.

[@xBrabus76]

Geez pipol should look up on Furlongs trajectory in the bad crowd!

[@JohnDoe-zr8pc]

I saw an interview with the director of T3, where he said he added the slapstick comedy stuff because he was afraid of having people say he was just copying James Cameron, so he wanted to put his own little spin on it. He said that looking back, he can see why people didn’t like it, and he wished he hadn’t done it.

[@markcarpenter6020]

Took him long enough. On the DVD commentary he was laughing about it all specially how he treated the T-X which was honestly one of the more interesting terminators since it was built to have emotions (it was specifically designed for long term infiltration missions). And that's not counting the interviews which he called the Terminator movies "silly kids movies".,.

[@1heKing]

i gotta say i admire the guy for at least trying to not trying to copy cameron

[@LordofMovies91]

Yeah, T3 is an entertaining movie by itself, but tonally off compared to the first 2. For me, the Terminator story is 1-Salvation and I feel that Salvation got the correct tone back.

[@markcarpenter6020]

@@LordofMovies91 not completely. Compare the future scenes in 1 and 2. With the future in salvation. The resistance is too well equipped and supplied in salvation. 1 and 2, showed people desperately struggling to survive, eating rats and using salvaged vehicles and makeshift equipment. In salvation they somehow have an air force and working submarine. The resistance wouldn't have had any of that. Subs require regular intensive maintenance to maintain their stealth capabilities(as in spending time in drydock maintenance) and also need to be resupplied with food and water every 6 months. And air force is silly. Helicopters I can see but every satellite that's left would be owned by skynet the minute it saw anything resembling an airstrip it would hit it with an (possibly nuclear) airstrike. And that doesn't count the fuel and maintenance needed to keep planes in the air. They might be able to steal fuel but the factories making parts for those A-10s would be long gone. Any air power they had would be a dwindling and ungodly precious resource. Honestly the Terminator video game. (I think it's called resistance) Got things better than salvation did.

[@digitalblunt]

Talk to da hand.

[@DorkoDoes]

The most time stamps I’ve seen on a 20 minute video lol. Thanks for the extra effort 🙏

[@sammylane21]

For those whom didn't see the T2: BATTLE ACROSS TIME, it was fregging amazing and you really missed out on something unforgettable.💗💗

[@yourlocalnemesisllc]

The third movie should’ve just had John becoming the leader and the machine war happening and it looping by sending Kyle back. Paradox trilogy. T1, T2 and a variation of Salvation. Great video. I hope the franchise can come up with a hit in the future.

[@ZachFazio-v3y]

I never got why people want these films to end with sending Kyle back. We know exactly what happens. Why have the franchise build up to that point. It's a anti climatic. I think the franchise had the perfect ending with T2.

[@yourlocalnemesisllc]

@@ZachFazio-v3y because what I described is a complete trilogy with a full arc beginning, middle, end. Anything else beyond that is welcomed for sure just like any other franchise.

[@ZachFazio-v3y]

⁠​⁠@@yourlocalnemesisllcbut why do we need a trilogy? For the sake of having a trilogy? We haven’t had a good T movie since 1991 and everyone thinks it’s easy to make 3. I bet the makers of T3 - Dark Fate would tell you they had full arcs set up for trilogies, doesn’t mean it’s quality. It’s so hard to execute. All those films are full of filler trying to set up future films rather than simply make a great film. Look at the failed attempts at trilogies over passed decade. I mean Terminator has 4! Why not just make a stand alone great movie. Why can’t we do Terminator without forcing a trilogy…

[@yourlocalnemesisllc]

@@ZachFazio-v3y you’re saying what I’m saying like I’m speaking against you lol. The franchise peaked at T2 yes. I’m satisfied with 1 & 2. What I’m saying is if there was a 3rd good movie that was MY take on what could have been not what should be. Turn off the friendly fire I’m a human not a machine lol

[@stitcha123]

@@ZachFazio-v3ybecause they need everything tied with a bow.

[@derekmontalto5488]

Vin Diesel would have been interesting as T-X. "At Skynet we're family."

[@natwolf687]

I imagined that for a hard moment. Nah.

[@maw1186]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@invisiblerevolution]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@alomejorqueno]

Then he activates his NOS and jumps a Charger off a bridge onto a single suspension cable into a moving aircraft containing John Connor

[@invisiblerevolution]

@@alomejorqueno 😂

[@DinoDave150]

In my humble opinion, the best Terminator 3 we ever got was the game Terminator: Resistance. No spoilers, but the way the game ends perfectly wraps up the series and ties T1 and 2 in a perfect knot.

[@im3phirebird81]

i never played that, but I saw a playthrough of it and I must say you are absolutely right.

[@Olagfigh]

Agree! This is the T3 we have been waiting for since T2 :)

[@thegoodwin]

Oh yeah, Terminator 3: Resistance game. I like that game!

[@chrisdude2675]

I need to go back and play it.

[@thekingofra5063]

A very decent game. Highly enjoyable

[@rkalla]

Not just a fantastic recap but the editing of this video was absolutely spot on - every time uou made a new point about the intended script youd have rhe perfect b-roll to overlay

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thnx!

[@BLBborn]

I actually really liked Terminator Salvation, so it's cool to see that it's part of some original furthering idea instead of being more of a cash grab. Thought that Sam's character was very interesting with him being an outsider's PoV to the otherwise already seen Kyle Reese and John perspectives. That and Christian Bale pretty much always rocks in whatever role he plays.

[@eddieblancher7557]

In the original script of the first Terminator, another Soldier was supposed to help Reese protect Sarah Connor from the Terminator but was killed upon arriving.

[@Bread_45]

I think I read about that. Doesn't the guy time travel and materialise inside a wall, Philadelphia Experiment style?

[@andyspencer4786]

@@Bread_45a fire escape I think - I feel like this concept made it into a Terminator comic at one point?

[@Tony_3XL]

Yeah I liked this concept. Makes the time travel risky af.

[@heartlessangel1460]

Stupid. The TDE bubble vaporizes everything around.

[@LainK1978]

@@andyspencer4786 I think that there is a deleted scene with that for some reason.

[@elskeletor3566]

Edward Furlong was cast as John Conner for part 3 but his drug addiction got in the way of him Starring in the film. Personally, I think they should of stuck with Edward and got him in Rehab. Edward Furlong would of made Terminator 3 so much better.

[@themobseat]

If you read an interview with Edward Furlong, he was incapable of doing acting at that time do to his addiction issues.

[@kathygonzalez1413]

​@@themobseatyes of course.

[@30AndHatingIt]

Hence the “they should’ve gotten him into rehab” part of his comment…

[@harryhenderson1973]

@@30AndHatingIt Do you know how long rehab can take? Do you know what the failure rate of rehab is?

[@yugen]

Yeah at the very least they should have tried to find someone that at least looked kind of like him.

[@dominicraynes1569]

Plot twist: Cameron wasn’t working on Avatar sequels over the last 12 years. He was building a time machine to send a terminator back and take out Gale Anne Heard.

[@thesupervisor3270]

Sophia Steward wrote Terminator and Matrix so a lot of this video is misinformation. Don’t believe me look it up

[@Matt_Mosley1983]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@adampeel6161]

Who's Gale Anne Heard? Never heard of her

[@Matt_Mosley1983]

@@thesupervisor3270 no, her story is made up, look it up you fool

[@dominicraynes1569]

@@adampeel6161 🤣🤣🤣

[@captaingeneroddenberry8439]

I had a chance to see and experience Terminator 3D and even though it was loud due to the machine gun fire it was awesome to see this continution from T2 and see Arnold back as the Terminator, Edward Furlong as John, does indeed battle across time and space.

[@kathygonzalez1413]

Cool

[@MrJJuK]

All I wanted from the Terminator franchise is like what we got in T1 and T2, a film showing how Judgement day happened like we got in T3 but a better movie, a film showing after judgement and fighting skynet, sending kyle back in time and skynet being defeated like T4 and T5 but not a complete mess. 😬

[@Omar-wq9dz]

Even after all these years, I’ve only ever seen the first 2 movies and the 3D park ride movie. That’s enough for me

[@BuryTheLight-tds]

Yeah, alternative ending of 2 is canon for me.

[@JR-ej9up]

Great Choice.

[@RisingUnderdog]

Same here! ​@@BuryTheLight-tds

[@carastone3473]

@@BuryTheLight-tdsthe alternate ending was too bright & sunny, figuratively speaking. Cameron was right; it didn’t fit.

[@LordSeth-hf8ew]

3rd, and salvation are worth watching as is the tv show

[@purefoldnz3070]

4:28 If you think that's crazy, Cameron also completed the script for Terminator 2 and Point Break at the same time within a few days of each other. At least thats how the story goes.

[@kevineckelkamp]

Didn't know Cameron did point break lol

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@kevineckelkamp yeah, he completely re-wrote the script while writing T2. The man is a genius.

[@bobbyfagan7760]

Schwarzenegger is probably the most perfect casting ever

[@unclebobconner1417]

Cameron probably just said Arnie looks like a terminator lets get him lol 😆

[@Slim1423]

Arnold will always be the original Terminator........

[@unclebobconner1417]

@@Slim1423 hes the design of a t-800 model

[@Slim1423]

@unclebobconner1417 I was referring to Arnold as the main character in the Terminator movie series, not referring to his Terminator model number. I always wonder was Arnold's Terminator character based on a human, or did Skynet just randomly select his Terminator model to send back in time?

[@unclebobconner1417]

@@Slim1423 well as far as I know the endos were all the same but when they were disguised as humans they looked different so I'm guessing it was just a random selection that it was armies model they chose to do the job maybe because he looked the most real human you know most convincing or they thought he looked the strongest model they had but this is just me guessing but it was the same model in the terminator & T3 so if the models were different why did they choose the same model 3 times in a row doesn't make sense unless he just looked the best or they actually are all supposed to look the same it's a bit confusing however John Connor did say in T3 did they all come of an assembly line because he looked the same as in T2 he thought it actually was the same terminator as T2 but was a different model just same design

[@robertk6258]

In T2 when the swat guys go into the building, the lead guy when dyson says he can't hold it much longer, the lead cop who says 'everybody out, fall back fall back now' is hank from breaking bad.

[@EcksPhyvWun]

i admit i enjoyed even the "bad" terminator content lol. just always wanted more. whether the unfinished tv series or rewrites and paradoxes. i always thought the complications of having multiple reboots and paradoxes actually made some kind of sense ultimately BECAUSE it all revolves around this constant response back and forth between humans and skynet changing the past. its bound to get spaghettified to say the least. there were always going to be one-shot timelines that were eventually erased, but they should still be told because they were fun to see. /shrug

[@carastone3473]

So glad Arnold kept after Cameron to make the sequel! T2 is one of my favorite movies of all time!

[@Ninja-Hayate]

T2 is still the best, whatever comes after it are just fever dreams.

[@carastone3473]

@@Ninja-Hayate AGREED!!

[@Ninja-Hayate]

@@carastone3473 They destroyed Skynet in Battle Across Time, the true ending to Terminator.

[@l.tc.5032]

The T3 original script honestly sounds great. I get that Cameron was angry but he kinda let his ego get in the way of making a great movie.

[@bhekuyisembhele4940]

Agreed

[@bnew5905]

That was one of the biggest backstabs of all time, screwing Cameron out of ownership and millions of dollars. Terminator was Cameron's baby. He pored his heart and soul into that franchise and wanted to be an owner and writer for it more than anything. You don't just "let go of your ego" for this one. Just try to put yourself in Cameron's shoes.

[@steventruong85]

I'm glad Cameron didn't go through with it bc of the fact he didn't want to go through with someone else's script which I agree. It wouldn't have been good imo.

[@AndyCarrington-cf3ib]

Didn't Cameron postpone making T3 in favour of directing Titantic? Kinda has himself to blame. If he cared so much about the franchise, he should have stuck to his original plan of making T3 with his script before moving on

[@Amadeus_Eisenberg]

Didn't let his ego get in the way of making a shitty Terminator sequel later on, though.

[@supergamer7473]

These videos are beyond fascinating in terms of how the process of filmmaking can change and rearrange day by day. Not to mention what became, rather than what could have been for better or worse, it really makes you think and appreciate what these people go through for our entertainment!

[@shodancat1000]

i like how you examined the origins of "i'll be back" and note that Schwarzenegger said "i will" because he had trouble pronouncing the contraction 'i'll' and that Cameron loved it... yet the famous line is indeed "i'll be back." great analysis, 11/10

[@LightKazuki]

Though I enjoyed the current terminator 3 (not more than the previous but more than the subsequent films), I actually think the original script sounded way better, more plot twists, far more exciting than the whole "Roadtrip" movie we got, though I kind of agree with Linda hamilton that her characters wasn't used enough or didn't have an arc which they could've just rewrote, having her suffer of too much panic attacks of a potential apocalypse similar to iron man 3's portrayal of ptsd, and she would've learned to calm herself down during crucial moments in order to protect others and to prevent the apocalypse (I'm sure there are other arc that would be better but this is what I could think out of my head rn), I think the vision for the film is great and it would have made terminator as great as it's previous films if not for internal tensions, drama, alcohol abuse etc.

[@Travelerr]

Actually 4's ending was supposed to be They'd put John's face on Marcus... Who'd then have his eyes go red and kill everyone in the room. Director even said as much. People reacted badly as they should have.

[@thebluemangoes8839]

If he didn't kill everyone, and it was about the symbol, that would have been dope imo

[@32BitJunkie]

What. Source?

[@davidw.2791]

@@thebluemangoes8839How can they still win the war if both John is dead and the Replacement is also evil?😮

[@thebluemangoes8839]

@davidw.2791 nah im saying if Marcus wasnt evil

[@davidw.2791]

@@thebluemangoes8839 Oh yeah you’re right!

[@mark-xc7oq]

8:48 it’s actually funny that arnold was happy cameron let him shoot someone in the leg since he wasn’t allowed to kill anyone

[@apphappy3796]

@@mark-xc7oq "He'll Live"

[@bensneb360]

To me, the best Terminator 3 is Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles… such an underrated show, great cast, and really interesting exploration of the different factions and the world of terminator

[@tyrannozilla]

My thoughts exactly.

[@ryanthoroman3293]

Loved that show

[@Jerry_Gallo]

🤮

[@robirvine6970]

It's shit. No one liked it except a small group of hard-core fans. Why can't dorks understand this? You liking something bad doesn't make it good

[@SonicProfessor_a.k.a._T._Andra]

100%

[@johnplemmons5075]

0:12 OJ as the Terminator? He’d have killed the two leads

[@MacStatic]

Nah, OJ was innocent. It was his son that committed the crimes, he just did what any father would do, and took the blame.

[@HighOnJack]

Then write a book called "If I travelled back in time to kill Sarah Connor, this is how I'd do it....." 😂

[@Syo-tc7kl]

😂😂

[@OtomoTenzi]

The OJayinator... 😎 Let loose on the streets of Los Angeles!

[@retrofraction]

It just shows how films are a symphony of talent, and that all people involved change and create in the art.

[@tyrannozilla]

Speaking of Terminator: Salvation, I feel that Sam Worthington would've been more convincing as John Connor over Christian Bale. He just had more of the look and charisma that I'd imagine John to have in the future war.

[@guysmiley4830]

I liked Salvation. It was better than t3 at least

[@CBU-oq1lu]

Worthington might be a good guy but one thing he has not, and thats charisma.

[@chrisdude2675]

Thats so true. He seemed more like a grown up Nick.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Worthington was offered the Duke part in GI Joe but declined it. That went to Chaning Tatum.

[@tyrannozilla]

@@DavidLLambertmobile Sam would've been better.

[@ervly3234]

So far one of my favourite series you have covered, this whole franchise has so much going on.

[@thesupervisor3270]

Idk about all that but Sophia Steward wrote Terminator and Matrix. Don’t believe me look it up

[@giodhuha6771]

This is probably the most longest video you've ever made and i'm proud of that.

[@ericchilders9234]

Most longest? I'm not proud of your English. Skynet needs to go to the past and teach you how to read.😁

[@Maze383]

@@ericchilders9234 ever thought that English isn't everybody's first language?

[@Plaprad]

Man, I got to see Terminator 3D when I was a kid. I completely forgot about it and was staring at the screen going "This is familiar..." I didn't remember it until you said the name. It was pretty cool, especially for the time. The dude riding the Harley around the stage was awesome. Thanks for dredging that one up.

[@Tony_3XL]

Dude. Lucky you got to enjoy this irl!!

[@justforfunflowers8001]

Thank you for the info. This is the kind of stuff no one would ever hear about. Mr Cameron is a very interesting person and he is good illustrator.

[@roberttreacy8271]

Producers: O.J. is too nice to play a cold-blooded villain. Me: Yeah, about that…

[@Sytijinx]

Doesn't matter. He's r.i.p.'d

[@thecandlemaker1329]

@@Sytijinx I think it matters to the parents of the guy he murdered, who have, to this day, received like 1% of the damages awarded to them by the court while OJ got to spend the final decade of his life in luxury.

[@LainK1978]

@@thecandlemaker1329 More like the last 7 years, because the 9 years before that he was in prison. Also, he found not guilty of those murders. You are free to think that he did though.

[@TeachReads]

The trilogy of T2 novels (starting with 'T2: Infiltrator') did a pretty good job of continuing the universe.

[@tyrannozilla]

I've thought about reading them.

[@TeachReads]

@@tyrannozilla not to be 'that guy' and start plugging stuff, but I have the first one as an audio book on my channel. 'Rising Storm' and 'Future War' will follow.

[@tyrannozilla]

@@TeachReads Cool.

[@RisingUnderdog]

I'll have to look into those

[@TeachReads]

@@RisingUnderdog S.M. Stirling is the author of all three. There is some retconning (but that’s what you get with multiple timelines!) but the plot is sound. It picks up just after the events of T2 and then skips forward, mostly following Sarah and John (who is now 18). Skynet still somehow exists in the future, and has once again sent something back to change the past… The first book is good, but pretty long. The audio book version comes in at about 21 hours.

[@MrSmith1984]

20th Century Fox should have bought Carloco's Assets when they had the chance. Because not only would they have produced the 3rd Terminator Film, they would have also likely produced a Total Recall Sequel (based on Minority Report) as well.

[@hollywoodkid1342]

Hang on, there were plans for a Total Recall sequel? This I gotta know

[@nasis18]

I just can't imagine Lance Hendrickson playing a robot.

[@Klaus-em3ix]

😁good joke

[@aktivniigomes1989]

Bishop from Aliens sends his regards

[@nasis18]

@@aktivniigomes1989 r/whoosh.

[@dennisnielsen4289]

​@@aktivniigomes1989Thought you'd never miss, Bishop.. 🤖

[@solidbeard8324]

You mean an Artificial Person ?

[@JimmyJaxJellyStax]

Holy shit we needed that alternate T2 extended future war opening attached to the same film, can you imagine?

[@GoranNewsum]

Terminator, the film that didn't need a sequel, but whose sequel managed to surpass the original. And then the other films also happened.

[@lazerfrogstudios]

Imo t2 is alot worse that t1, not that it’s a bad movie but I think it’s impossible to surpass t1

[@meathead6155]

​ @@lazerfrogstudios I don't want to bust in your bubble. Although Terminator 1 & 2 are the best, the third one is alright, fourth is ok, and the rest such as Genisys and Dark Fate aren't that good. Although the second Terminator is way better than the first one. Just saying.

[@lazerfrogstudios]

@@meathead6155 imo the characters are worse, the plot is contrived, basically the same genreal plot other than like character changes, the child acting is really not that good (no offence to the kid actor, child actors are never THAT good) ultimately is just a rehash of the first one instead of focusing on the obvious sequel that would be what salivation turned out to be.

[@MandoDaiOu]

T1 is a work of art. T2 is a cool epic film, but lacks the artistry of T1.

[@majorborngusfluunduch8694]

T1 is definitely better than T2. Dont get me wrong, T2 is great but the horror movie vibe of T1 is just incredible. T2 deflates its own suspense and tension by having a good Terminator as the protector who can brawl with the bad Terminator. Unfortunately the rest of the series ends up making this same mistake.

[@peteralfredhess]

Love your use/editing of movie clips to compliment the play by play of the alternative film treatments. Cool stories and great work compiling/celebrating them!

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thanks!

[@tylertilwick6852]

This is just my opinion, so feel free to disagree; but I think Terminator Salvation would’ve been a good follow up to T2, had it been done differently. Had it been released in the mid-late 90s with either James Cameron or George Miller directing and made in the same vein as Mad Max - a post-apocalyptic, sci-fi, action thriller - I think it would’ve been great!

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Love that idea

[@Tony_3XL]

This!!!!

[@outlawblack123]

If Jordana Brewster was cast I think dudes would have given way more positive reviews of this film and there would have been way less bad press.

[@AustinHibblerComedy]

You will 100% hit 1 million subs eventually man. These videos are so well put together.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thanks!!!

[@leafyfeathers]

There would be so much testosterone in a Terminator movie starring both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Vin Diesel every man would leave the theater with a fully grown mustache and a Busch Light can in hand.

[@kevineckelkamp]

Diesel and bud light. Gay lol

[@ferrismcfly16]

Hasta La Vista the rest of my day I’m about to binge this whole video and the whole terminator series

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Haha

[@stvcherenfant]

Finally, this is a question I've waited almost 3 decades to find out, and the only thing I had to go off was the amusement park attraction.

[@TheDeathBeatsOfficial]

Just over twenty years ago I was on holiday in Los Angeles with some friends and I saw Eddy Furlong in The Viper Rooms. I'm guessing this was shortly before it was closed down. Aside from the fact that he was being marginalised by a group of guys he was trying to hang out with, it occured to me that he wasn't in good shape and certainly didn't look fit enough to star in an action movie. The three friends I was with, didn't even recognise him. I'm not judging him, I'm simply making the point that James Cameron could not have even hired him for another Terminator movie twenty years ago, let alone today.

[@Streetpharmasist420]

This was really good, I didn't know of mostly all the stuff you stated.

[@raymondhartmeijer9300]

I hated that John Connor-killing in Dark Fate, it was set right after the events of T2, and it just feels like it destroyed the whole point of T2

[@kathygonzalez1413]

I know.

[@CaledoniaStorm]

Dark Fate was basically the Alien 3 of the Terminator franchise. A sequel made by edgy auteurs with disdain for fans of the previous instalment(s) and a desire to be contrary for the sake of it. And I'm including Cameron in that. The guy has always been an egomaniac, why do we think he gave the saviour of the human race his own initials? Up to the mid-late '90s he had the talent for people to overlook it, but after that he started not giving an F, thinking he could just excrete billion dollar films.

[@PumpkinJack88]

I will, more than likely, never meet James Cameron. So here... I will say Mister James C. thank you so very much for making The Terminator. It has and always will be my most favorite movie. Thank you. Terminator 1 is a masterpiece. Only wish some of the cgi could be remastered.

[@geoswan4984]

@PumpkinJack88 ... you say "cgi"... did you really mean the special effects? Most of the effects were what are now called "practical effects" - that is actual models, and so on. I think the only computer effects were the screens we see, where the robot picks possible responses from a list of choices. If you want to replace the practical effects with CGI effects, I couldn't disagree more. Those practical effects were done extremely well. There are other films, that had practical effects re-done to use CGI, decades ago, and the CGI has aged badly. Leave it as it is, please

[@PumpkinJack88]

@@geoswan4984 the part with the knife and eye in the mirror is really mostly the part I would retouch.

[@Garrysullivanjones]

@@geoswan4984Stan Winston !!!!!

[@Garrysullivanjones]

@@PumpkinJack88that scene alone shows the brilliant effort of Stan Winston and his team . Mad. Respect

[@DavideTerminator]

​@@PumpkinJack88No! This is a fantastic B movie ! No CGI. Stan Winston🙏

[@HamiltonLLB]

3:03 that *aged* well 😂

[@johnpinneriv9958]

I know, WTF is that even from??

[@KasumiKenshirou]

@@johnpinneriv9958 I'm pretty sure this must've been after he'd killed two people and he was referencing the killings. Due to double jeopardy laws in the US, once he was found guilty he knew he'd gotten away with murder and could do things like this. O.J. even wrote a book called "I didn't do it, but if I did, here's how I would've done it" or something like that. Chris Rock had previously done a skit where OJ wrote such a book before OJ actually wrote that book, so I get the titles mixed up between the parody and the real one.

[@peterlavery8830]

​@johnpinneriv9958 it's from an interview where he pranks the interviewer by pretending to stab her, this was after the court hearings

[@gizmomogwai1041]

"Man, I’m going to tell you, that is some bad luck when the one guy who would’ve died for you kills you"

[@dpaddestroyer1861]

I feel the could've been T3 would be the better of what we actually got

[@DeadRabbitRadio]

I am always so impressed by how you take different clips and make it seem like an version of a movie that was never made.

[@Vintage9x]

I always really like that as well.

[@retroverdrive]

Judgement Day was the final Terminator movie.

[@Hallowpool193]

Agreed

[@joshslater2426]

I confess I’ve only watched the first three movies for the first time last week. It’s a mind-bending series, and I feel like it all made sense by the end of T2. The third one just muddled it for me, and I’ve yet to even try the fourth or fifth ones.

[@mikes5637]

​@@joshslater2426 ignore the haters and watch Salvation. Its flawed but the action setpieces are outstanding. Avoid Genisys though😅

[@Helmantic-m7s]

Agree.

[@Tony_3XL]

Yeah pretty much. I like salvation though.

[@travismiddleton8218]

This other version of the Terminator 3 script sounds awesome.

[@markcarpenter6020]

I won't say awesome but better than what we got.

[@travismiddleton8218]

@@markcarpenter6020 true enough

[@Trey2dope]

I love Terminator Salvation, its such a badass movie and definitely underrated

[@ZachFazio-v3y]

badass? They watered down Terminator for Teens. They don't even play the Terminator theme lol. It's trying so hard not to be a Terminator film. It's just a cash grab set up film for a trilogy that never happened.

[@captainmobius5823]

RIP Anton

[@thekingofra5063]

Yes, a decent film.

[@christianaguirre4069]

Better than genisys that's for sure

[@Tony_3XL]

It is 100% better than anything else after 2.

[@amphernee]

I’m trying to imagine James Cameron keeping a straight face when Arnold tells him that a robot from the future who speaks English but has a thick Austrian accent wouldn’t be believable if it used a contraction 😂

[@chrisbirch4150]

That bit around 3:30 where Cameron stops the conversation to ask Arnold if he can draw him is hilarious. Like a pretentious art college party

[@andrijadjordjevic9203]

so the 2 founders of carolco are the reason why we got terminator 3,Salvation,Genesys and Dark Fate

[@markcarpenter6020]

Yeah they did a really bad job. I see why Cameron didn't want them to own the rights.

[@andrewcoulthard-clark]

According to Schwarzenegger's autobiography, he didn't want to make a third, and didn't like Producer Andrew Vajna. However, he had been paid on T2 with the expectation there'd be a third, and the producers only got the money because of Schwarzenegger's name and threatened to sue him if he backed out.

[@jamesknapp64]

yeah he was considering running for Gov in the 2002 election, but b/c of threat of being sued for T3 he delayed that till the recall election with Gray Davis.

[@stsolomon618]

Love that Terminator 1 was done through guerrilla filmmaking.

[@stsolomon618]

I remember going to the Terminator ride. Fun ride.

[@olliesmith2890]

If Robert Patrick had not had starred as the T-1000, i reckon Jean Claude Van Damme would of been a epic choice.

[@mariorodriguezjunior]

Hell yeah 🙂 or if they wanna swerve the audience, how about a baby faced Brandon Lee as the T-1000 😯 I can hear him saying "do you have a photograph of John?"

[@kahlzun]

When in the movie would he have done his trademark splits though?

[@mariorodriguezjunior]

@@kahlzun everytime he morphs & when he melts @ the end 😂

[@mikerosoft1009]

​@@kahlzun at the end of the movie when Arnold throws the T-1000 face first against a wall and he morph turns around against the wall. Perfect moment to do the splits. Also jumping to the helicopter from the building with the bike.

[@C.A._Old]

*mann... this is nuts. i wonder what if james cameron take this director for this third movie?*

[@eh2396]

Terminator: Salvation was a good movie. Way better than the last two. Wish we couldve continued that story.

[@stealthmode1303]

A lot of interesting ideas and had a lot of potential

[@shamusomalley4263]

Oh, good for you!

[@leecroft1983]

@@stealthmode1303Agree, shame that it carried on with Genisys (my vote for the worst of the series) But honestly I enjoyed Dark Fate. The only part I would have taken out was the T-800 that killed Conner ended up in a family and had a business that sells curtains or something… wtf was all that about, so weird. Everything else I liked. Terminator 3… take out the odd silly humour part, better movie. Salvation… really enjoyed it. Genisys… just awful throughout. Dark Fate… it’s no Salvation but better than T3 and Genisys.

[@pegcity4eva]

Drapes lol

[@johnpinneriv9958]

It at least attempted to not be a retread of T2, which every other movie was. I think it had some bold ideas, but ultimately just did not work at all for me (and a lot of other people).

[@ethandoyle4978]

Dang now I really wish we got the original story for terminator three

[@nymike7278]

Your narration and the images you used are amazing I swear I feel like I just watched the alternate terminator 3 movie!!!

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thanks!

[@newatlantisrepublic6844]

Left out the part where the original plan was to have the TG be able to transform into cars and other machines.

[@jessicastoker8932]

This is a hot take, but.... I actually really liked the concept of Terminator Genesys. I had always said to myself, "If Skynet has time travel tech, why would they only send 1 Terminator at a time? Even if it took them weeks to recharge their time travel device, they could still have it programmed for the same date." So seeing a T-800 and a T-1000 attack Sarah at once was pretty cool to me. And the fact that they actually tried to create a different version of the story, with Arnold's titular character becoming part T-1000 at the end was pretty neat to me. I wanted to see where that would go. But I mean, we all know why these movies exist at all. T2 was just that damn good. It's just... one of those "perfect" movies. Iconic visuals, iconic setting, iconic tone, iconic characters and acting, iconic music that never once feels generic, and second-to-none action sequences. None of these other "meh" movies would have happened without T2 having as big an impact as it did.

[@iamtamashii4184]

Honestly I just want to see a successful trilogy set after Judgement Day, with the resistance against the machines. A young Kyle Reese as the lead. I thought Salvation was going to give us that, but not a lot of people liked it. Too bad. At least there's an anime series set during the war we're getting soon on Netflix

[@ZachFazio-v3y]

See I don't understand why we need a trilogy. That's a huge problem with T3 - Dark Fate. Every sequel after T2 tried to kick of a trilogy and we got set up films. T1 & T2 told complete stories. This franchise was never about trilogies. Look how many times Hollywood has tired to manufacture a trilogy and it's turned into a disaster. Hell, Terminator has done it 4 x now! Just give us one great future war movie. Make it Terminator meets the opening to Saving Private Ryan. 2hour plus war movie set in Cameron's future. If it's successful they can always expand. I think trying to create a 3 movie arc has really helped destroy this franchise. Salvation basically ends with John saying "tune in next week for the next adventure" .

[@louis3141]

Terminator Salvation was way better than Genesis and Dark Fate. Wish they kept the original ending to Salvation

[@maxxpower3d6]

I want to live in the timeline where Chyna got to be a Terminator

[@djpegao]

Yeah, maybe that would have kept her relevant or at least make her more focused on her carrer instead of falling to her inner demons.... or it could have speed them up, guess wellynever know

[@TheDanK88]

The inflections in this dudes voice - i just couldnt get past 2 minutes lol

[@Rschr101]

😂

[@Niftified]

When editing out breathing turns into having a break after each sentence.

[@TheDanK88]

@@Niftified thats completely fair. I did not view it that way. I do appreciate you bringing this insight to me

[@teddymv343]

​@@TheDanK88 OMG I thought it was just me. I'm so interested but I can't get past that horrific voice pattern. I literally got 2 mins in and stopped as well.

[@Jack-s5x9b]

Shame we'll never get to see james cameron's version of terminator 3

[@edgy_secular_memes367]

The original Time Machine is a biblically accurate angel

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

💯 don’t be afraid

[@archivey-h8e]

I always thought the original T3 script was a lot better. Some changes i would have made would be adding Kat Brewster and keeping Sarah dead (yeah i now but even Linda said her arc was done) and having the nukes actually go off like in the final version of T3. In the older script it really gives you hope that they can stop judgement day with John and the Terminator working with the feds instead of running from them in a sort of reversal. Judgement day still happening would be even more of a punch in the gut. John killing the T-X is great also, great way for him to step up instead of needing to be saved.

[@filipthefella7606]

It's shame that they didnt follow up on Terminator Salvation Trilogy ! It had a good continuity and the atmosphere of a dystopian future was good !

[@majorborngusfluunduch8694]

If nothing else I appreciated that Salvation tried to move the series past making T2 clones and into the future war stuff. Despite its issues, I was genuinely excited to see where the next two movies would go. And then they hit us with Genysis.

[@kahlzun]

Yeah, just remove all the skynet exposition stuff, have Marcus be the terminator that John fights, before eventually removing the control chip, and it'd be hugely better

[@williammoore1980]

No it’s not. Nothing exists beyond T2 but shit and piss.

[@SamuraiMookieYT]

Is it just me or does anyone else feel that the original T3 script; may have played a part in the creation of Cameron in the TSCC tv series?

[@dillynsden]

I am SHOCKED to learn that Edward Furlong actually reprised his role in the T2 ride. I think he's the only actor to play John twice (Not counting Thomas Dekker who played John for 2 seasons)

[@kathygonzalez1413]

Me too 😁

[@accidentcellar6307]

Furlong is the most believable of all the actors that played speaking roles of JC.

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

This channel just keep knocking it out of the park, 6 mins in and it already provided so much insight. 10/10 would recommend

[@eddieblancher7557]

Lance Henriken had been planned to return in the sequels where he survived the attack on the police station.

[@kytim89]

He would be paralyzed in a wheelchair.

[@thugsfunny7594]

After being hit by both an Assault rifle and an Automatic shotgun at point blank range? I doubt that..

[@Matt_Mosley1983]

I LOVE Cameron .... but *DAMN that's a great script!* I understand him not directing, and Sarah should have sacrificed herself to save John so that he could save the world ... but I'm not gonna complain. I can't believe how bad they diverted. They pretty much just kept the title. *Subscribed!*

[@nelsonmuntz9317]

If only... - Cameron and Sara never flaked out on T3 and the others... - Furlong becomes fit and inspiring instead of drunk... (like Hugh Jackman style training). - The badass John Conner character that was destined to lead... becomes an epic surreal legend instead of cast aside and eventually irrelevant... - Lieutenant Kyle Reese and General John Conner fight back to back in the dystopian war torn future... securing Phased 40 Watt Plasma Rifle Weaponry blue prints and AI time machine technology... - Wokeness wasn't a thing to be injected...

[@HandGrenades13]

Thank you for the video, had awonderful time watching it.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@369frequencyandvibration]

The T3 ending ... and the T3 cutscene with an Austrian scientist ... are the best minutes of T3

[@tyrannozilla]

I still believe that the "Sarah Connor Chronicles'" TV series was the best continuation the franchise ever received following T2. That show, imo, did a wonderful job in expanding the lore of Sarah/John and the future war, while also remaining respectful to the first two films (and ignoring T3). Of course, good old FOX didn't know what they had and cancelled it on, what is probably, the biggest cliffhanger I've ever seen in my life. The biggest kick in the face from that was that FOX didn't even announce that the show was cancelled till over a month after the final episode aired. You can probably imagine how upset my family and I were after that, as we had believed we were going to get a third season. Another kick in the face was that after that series, we ended up getting Genishit and Dark Fart in its place. And people wonder why Hollywood is considered a farce. So, even though the Sarah Connor Chronicles is an unfinished continuation to the franchise, I'd rather the story remain unfinished than turn to shit. EDIT: Also, the first Terminator is my personal favorite film in the franchise, and my favorite James Cameron film overall.

[@Christian39521]

If I remember correctly, the showrunner said at comic con that they had stories for 4 seasons. Interesting that Cameron wanted to do the third one with Fox and they aired the tv series. And the showrunner was involved in Terminator: Dark Fate. He was one of the writers.

[@tyrannozilla]

@@Christian39521 I've heard about that, and that details about seasons 3 and 4 haven't been revealed. I'd also argue that since the showrunner was involved with Dark Fate, his script probably got shredded during production, and that's how we ended up with that abomination.

[@QuicksilverSG]

I didn't see the finale as a cliffhanger, but as a full circle back (actually forward) to the human origin of Cameron. Had the series continued into a third season, it would've been rebooted into a completely different storyline, an apocalyptic wartime romance between John and Cameron (in human form). Frankly, it's kind of hard to picture how the show could've worked without Sarah Connor, as John's season 2 love affair with Kacy was pretty cringe and so much of Cameron's appeal was rooted in her robotic nature.

[@Christian39521]

@@QuicksilverSG if I remember correctly, the showrunner said that it acts as a series finale and as a season finale in case they didn't get renew. He mentioned it in the commentary. Thomas Deker and Summer Glau have given hints of what could've happen in season 3. I remember in the old days of the IMDB message boards, there were rumors of what would've happen in seasons 3 and 4.

[@tyrannozilla]

@@QuicksilverSG You do make a valid point with the finale. The way it ended, you could easily leave it ambiguous as to what would happen next. At the time, however, it was meant to lead into a third season. I do agree that Cameron's robotic nature is what made her unique, as well as some moments when her "humanity" kicks in (the episode where her memory glitches and she acts more like human is a masterpiece). Summer Glau's performance was truly one of the best I've ever seen, right up there with Lena Headey's portrayal of Sarah. Still, I would've trusted the writers at the time to deliver something interesting in season 3 and beyond, but we'll never know.

[@Christian39521]

I believe William Wisher said that he was supposed to write the sequel to Terminator Salvation. It would've involved time travel. The T-1000, Sarah and Kyle were supposed to be in it.

[@princesssmileyface91]

Robert Patrick was perfect, he had that focused dead look to him, he will always be my favorite Terminator 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@maxordman4100]

This is certainly a fantastic script and you did a wonderful job of laying it out for us. I love the original first two movies and the Sarah Conner chronicles. The third movie has flaws but it’s ultimately still a movie that I respect but I prefer the tv show. After the third movie though, I find myself preferring not to get into the rest of the series because it has deterred from the story I originally loved. Thanks again for sharing this script and it’s cool to learn about a different version of it!

[@agent_bumblebee]

I still find it funny how O.J. Simpson was supposedly "Too Nice" to play The Terminator, considering what happened with him years later.

[@kathygonzalez1413]

Me too 😄

[@spyder-man0462]

The Terminator franchise should have ended with Terminator 2

[@WillNelson73]

What do you mean? It DID end with T2 with old Sarah playing with her granddaughter on the playground.

[@spyder-man0462]

@@WillNelson73 Yes that was the true ending of the franchise

[@ereignishorizontab7218]

​@@WillNelson73I hate this ending, it looks and feels like a scene out of a star trek next geneneration episode.

[@QuicksilverSG]

Sarah Connor Chronicles was its worthy successor.

[@l.pricetag.5207]

No. TSCC was a great show and Resistance was an awesome game. Salvation was an interesting idea too.

[@robrob9250]

If Sarah Connors actress didn't want to return they could have used her twin sister and we probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference. That's actually her real twin playing the Sarah the T2000 mimics iirc

[@Avalon_1991]

All I ever wanted from Terminator 3 was a war film that looked and felt like the scenes from Terminator 1 and Terminator 2. They could have made it similar to Saving Private Ryan, following a small group of resistance soldiers as they have to make their way to the resistance head quarters. They could really build up John Connor and have a really dramatic and cool entrance for him about halfway through the film. Maybe the group know where the time displacement machine is so they need to get the information to John Connor. The film would end with the 2 Terminators being sent back. The best Terminator 3 is Terminator Resistance on PlayStation 4. It's a bit low budget but that mirrors Terminator 1 having a low budget. You can tell that everyone that created the game are fans of Terminator. For example there's a radio you have to find for a side quest. When you get it "Burning In The Third Degree" is playing which is the song from the club in Terminator 1. The T-800s are actually menacing as well as you can't kill them straight away and you only get the plasma rifle about half way through. Time travel is well used as well.

[@OtomoTenzi]

Seriously, they should've gotten OJ to make T3 after he won his trial back in '95. He already had years of acting experience, as well as 2 murders on his resume.