The Original Plans for Venom

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[@LazyArtist078]

There's a universe where we got a venom film before a spider-man one. that's actually wild.

[@tyrannozilla]

For me, the best version of Venom is still from the 90s animated series. In terms of the comics, I really enjoyed the "Vengeance of Venom" story arc.

[@rayhoyer4829]

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[@ScottM83]

Always will be.

[@lucascoval828]

Hell yeah. Excellent episode.

[@srstriker6420]

Andrew Garfield Spider-Man would have been very fitting for Tom Hardy’s Venom as he never fought an alien as the other Peter Parker’s have.

[@erikwebber6038]

True. Good call.

[@erikwebber6038]

It's funny that you say that. The script they were writing for AMS3 (before it was scrapped) included the venom symbiote.

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[@brandonspain12345]

I remember reading the 1997 Goyer script and i noticed how creepily similar it was to the 2018 movie and even SM3. It makes ne wonder if the writers were inspired by the Goyer script. While the CG would've looked horribly dated, I would still love to see a practical/animatronic Venom and Carnage suit.

[@tonythehappynerd7241]

I know, right? I noticed similarities to the two Venom movies when listening to the Goyer script as well…

[@LeeJin-o1y]

Sony should stop wasting 1b on characters like morbius or madam Webb and just make amazing spiderman 3 already

[@Kalel2.0]

Honestly there are a bunch Spiderman side characters and supporting ones that could work on their own especially if they have more than enough source material to make it work the problem is they take characters that casual and even hardcore comic book Spiderman fans dont care for and haven't been relevant in years like Madam Web and Morbius or characters that can't work without Spiderman like Kraven or mess up characters that have great source material and huge potential like Venom

[@maguma3419]

I don't know man. It's been ten years since the last one, I feel like the time has passed. Maybe they could try a live-action Scarlet Spider movie?

[@Fail84-nv7qh]

Literally so real

[@LeonardoKlotz]

#IBlameAviArad

[@clipsdelosmajes]

None of those movies cost 1 billion.

[@riyansita9568]

It seems like David S. Goyer was tapped to write every comic book character.

[@austinforgie1069]

I feel like Tom Hardy's venom best fits the TASM universe. The atmosphere of the two are a similar feel

[@skinnyweenie8679]

😂😂😂

[@Dan129-s2w]

If only they'd met

[@ClassifiedRanTom]

Honestly, imagine an Agent Venom movie with Joe Manganiello.

[@Kalel2.0]

Honestly the late 90s Venom pitch sounds pretty decent honestly if Green lit it couldve worked as it's own fun self contained story without heavily relying on Spidermans presence or connection however the CGI and practicals may have not aged well

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Ya I’m not sure why Goyer hated on it so much. It wasn’t so bad. I just am not sure how good that cgi would look to be able to pull it off

[@BronzeAgeBryon]

I'll never understand why abandoned scripts / script ideas based on the "the technology is not there yet" principle aren't revisited WHEN the technology IS there. While slightly overstuffed, this seems like a good screenplay for a Venom launch.

[@Kalel2.0]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters Right it's nowhere near as bad as he makes it out to be and I'm normally not a big fan of Goyers scripts and yeah the CGI wouldve been questionable if they went through with it

[@rayhoyer4829]

Yeah

[@owlcircus6811]

@@BronzeAgeBryon More often than not, by the time the technology is ready, everyone has moved on. Simple as that.

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[@CharcoalRabbit]

David Goyer's story for Venom feels like a combination of the first two Venom films from Sony we actually got minus a few things from the films we got. It's cool how writers and people adapting only a factor of Marvel Comics lore can make do with what they have. To be fair, some properties have so little to work with or so much restrictions that you might have no choice but to take creative liberties. I don't think David's film would've been the best adaptation, but it'd be interesting to see. Just because a stand alone movie featuring a Spider-Man character doesn't have Spider-Man doesn't mean it'll be bad, it's just how you go about doing it that makes or breaks it. Shame Sony keeps dropping the ball with Spider-Man and his characters. Morbius and Madame Web became not only bad Spider-Man films but bad movies in general.

[@Lambolifeinbeing]

Carnage was also supposed to be in the first Venom film. Paolo Giandoso who was a concept artist did a few concept pieces. TheThirdFloor vfx studio did previs with Carnage and Venom of the final battle which originally was during daytime. Visualization artist Nina Helene Hirten also spoke on how Sony was undecided on going fully through with Carnage and by the time they made a decision to not have him in the movie, the previs models were already finished which eventually led Paolo to create Riot designs which were sort of inspired by Carnage. Tony Liberatore also did storyboards with Carnage for the movie.

[@DinoDave150]

Boy, Randy Schueller must feel like he got niffed for selling his idea for just $220 after seeing how insanely popular the Black Suit became. Also, it's funny how certain elements from Goyer's script would be incorporated into not only the 2018 film, but Spider-Man 3 as well.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

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[@adamrumer2736]

To be fair… it’s just really a black suit.

[@elijahdoesstuff4600]

Goyer's Venom is literally the most "late 1990s" thing I have ever heard of.

[@YodaOnABender]

0:17 we were on the verge of greatness, we were THIS close

[@MaddiLew]

Dolph wouldve been such a badass eddie brock, imagine if they pulled inspo from ultimate venom

[@RayMcElroy50]

AVI ARAD has ruined so far... * Borderlands * Daredevil (2003) * The Punisher (2004) * Elektra (2005) * Fantastic Four (2005) * X-Men: The Last Stand * Spider-Man 3 * Bratz (2007) * Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance * The Amazing Spider-Man 2 * Ghost in the Shell (2017) * Venom: Let There Be Carnage * Uncharted (2022) * Morbius And now he's gonna ruin... * Kraven the Hunter * Venom: The Last Dance * Legend of Zelda * Naruto As long as Arad lives, there's no hope

[@wesreleases6346]

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[@clipsdelosmajes]

​@@wesreleases6346Did you forget he was the one to suggest The Spot as the villain for Spiderverse?

[@LeonardoKlotz]

#IBlameAviArad

[@BuryTheLight-tds]

So far I've seen this exact same comment copy pasted more than a few times, look we get it 😂

[@davidzea-smith1417]

My eyes widened the more I read.

[@barney7822]

Marvel fans: "We want VENOM to be R-Rated." Avi Arad: "VENOM will be PG-13, so everyone can bring their children to watch it. It will be fun for the whole family." Me: "Þussy"

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Hahaha

[@clipsdelosmajes]

I don't know, it's not like Venom has been related with blood, that's more of a Carnage thing.

[@SecretMagician]

Let There be Carnage was still PG-13. ​@@clipsdelosmajes

[@fossilmercury1069]

​@@clipsdelosmajes he literally eats heads

[@TheSwordsman100]

@@fossilmercury1069 While I will grant you that the movie version does do that, (really wish they didn't pull from Mac Gargan but I digress) both Spider-Man and Venom comics were NEVER R rated material. As a avid Venom comic reader I really glad they have ignored the R rated crowd and have instead focused on adapting Venom's original run of mini series after mini series. The irony that actually reading the comics makes me somehow not part of the Marvel fan group.

[@Mayor_Of_Eureka17]

I think alot of the ideas used are pretty damn interesting. Some of those ideas got transferred into the games.

[@KelseyPolarBehr]

The script/story for what would have been Topher Grace’s Venom sounded REALLY interesting!

[@TheSwordsman100]

As someone who actually reads the comics, (though Eddie hasn't really been a villain since the 80s and now of days is a straight up hero) I am very glad all but the MCU plans fell through. While not perfect, the current Venom movies we have is one the faithful adaptions on television. (adapting mostly Venom's original "run" with a bit of Mac Gargan thrown in)

[@MrM-u3h]

They cast Dolph as the Punisher and considered him for Venom, but I wonder if there were ever plans for him to be Thor? He would have been perfect in the 80s or 90s.

[@cinemaarts8795]

And he was in Aquaman

[@jasonelliott7977]

He would have been a perfect Colossus

[@hugopatterson2675]

It’s crazy to think there could’ve been a Venom movie before Spider-Man

[@LeonardoKlotz]

I hate AVI ARAD for killing Sam Raimi's passion in Spider-Man 3 And people should NOT blame Marc Webb for the failure of TASM series

[@cable7152]

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[@bensneb360]

It would’ve been cool if Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man got the suit in the third film, then had to fight Venom in a fourth film. Especially after how the Amazing Spider-Man two ended, the story potential would’ve been great

[@Thegoldenturtle2843]

Hey Bullets & Blockbusters. I have seen and rewatched many of your videos, and they are always awesome. Keep doing the great work! I was wondering if you could do more videos on cancelled Marvel projects like: - Captain America 3: The Raging Nation/The Serpent Society The third Captain America film in the MCU was originally different from the one that we got instead. It would have adapted the "MadBomb Saga" storyline from the comics and would have featured the Serpent Society as the villains. However, behind-the-scenes drama and tensions between Robert Downey Jr and Marvel then-president Ike Perlmutter put the film on hold, whom the latter was unwilling pay Downey more high salaries for his role as Iron Man, and even threatened to fire him and replace him with another actor. Thankfully, Kevin Feige and screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely were able to step in and propose the "Civil War" storyline treatment instead. After Perlmutter was fired, "Civil War" was greenlit, Downey was able to stay in the MCU and get his requested salary, and the rest is history. But I wonder what the third Captain America film would have been like if it went in a different direction? Maybe you can work on this before "Captain America: Brave New World" comes out? - Lionsgate's Black Widow In 2004, David Hayter was hired to write and direct a Black Widow film for Lionsgate Entertainment. But the character rights reverted back to Marvel in 2006 before it was greenlit. There were also other different plans for a Black Widow film in the MCU until we got the 2021 version instead. I hope see you work on a video for this. - Felicity Jones' "Black Cat" film Lisa Joy Nolan was hired to write a script for a Black Cat spin-off film with Felicity Jones reprising her role from "The Amazing Spider-Man 2" (2014). However, plans for this film were scrapped after the 2015 Marvel & Sony licensing agreement. - "Silver & Black" film This film was intended to be part of Sony's Spider-Man Universe while being adjacent to the MCU following the events of "Spider-Man: Homecoming" (2017). Gina Prince-Bythewood was hired to direct the film, and it would have been a dark buddy story that looked similar to the films "Thelma & Louise" (1991) and "Midnight Run" (1988). However, after being stuck in development hell, Sony cancelled the project and is now currently working to make two solo films that will focus on each of the title characters. Prince-Bythewood soon left the project and instead went on to direct "The Old Guard" (2021), another comic book film. There are other Marvel ideas that I wanted to share, but this is all I got for now. Hopefully that you have enough time to work on these though. I can't wait to see your next video! Please take care. Oh, and #IBlameAviArad

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Great suggestions. Thanks! I can def look into all of these

[@BuryTheLight-tds]

Despite being well known as the voice of an iconic character, David Hayter sure did have writing credits involving some superhero movies.

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Could you maybe do a video talking about the early concepts of Force Awakens?

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Sure

[@cc_films]

Been waiting for a venom video 😮

[@dannypalin9583]

I've always thought that Venom being a “Gotcha” moment in No Way Home was a jab at Arad for shoehorning him into everything.

[@Pikaweedle]

You’re one of my favorite film KZbinrs

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thanks

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Films (Live-Action) - Trilogies (2099 would branch off into a Spider-Verse team up films) 1. Ultimate Spider-Man (Miles Morales) 2. Spider-Woman (Gwen) 3. Spider-Man 2099 4. Spectacular Spider-Man (Peter Parker) 5. Spider-Verse 6. Sinister Six (two parter series in the style of the suicide squad. The members are hired by Norman Osborn to recover the Venom symbiote, which would pit them against Spider-Man, who currently would have the symbiote) 7. Agent Venom TV Series 1. Prowler (Aaron Davis version; ultimate Spider-man spinoff series) 2. The Daily Bugle (Office style series) 3. Black Cat 4. Scarlet/ Silk (spectacular spider-man spinoff series) 5. Spider-Man Noir

[@indianajones4321]

All I’m saying, Topher Grace having a Venom movie after the epicness of Spider-man 3 would’ve been peak Marvel. The potential of having an Agent Venom movie at some point after an Amazing Spider-man 3 would be absolutely awesome. Keep up he fantastic work Bullets & Blockbusters, your videos are always extremely interesting.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thanks! And ya that topher grace script ain’t bad. I couldn’t summarize the entire story because I didn’t have the footage to recreate it but I enjoyed reading it. It definitely had a Bonnie and Clyde vibe.

[@indianajones4321]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters nice! Also I recently looked into the production chaos and madness that was Sahara 2005, it’s a great movie (at least in my opinion) but heavily bombed at the box office for a lot of various reasons. There were over 4 scripts written and lots of re-writes throughout filming. If you ever really wanted tackle what I think might be the most complex “what could have been” movie that’s not part of a series (although sequels were planned) then I highly recommend you take a dive into the production, writing, filming, and even sabotage of Sahara. That’s my suggestion for a potential summer mega blockbuster video. Even if you don’t do a video on Sahara, just take 10-20 minutes to look into some of the insanity of making the movie.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

I love that movie and didn’t know that. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@Gamefit28]

I get every villian in spider-man San raining trilogy dies minus sandman, but still killing venom off was a bad move, there was so much more to explore

[@irvinreevesinbaraj6134]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters was Spider-Man there in the script for Topher Grace's Venom film?

[@raulcruz716]

I would assume that trying to cast Dolph Lungdren as Venom in the unmade movie would have helped kill the project. At that point Dolph Lungdren was a proven box office dud with two noticable cinematic bombs under his belt, MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE and I COME IN PEACE. By the time he did get to star as a Marvel character The Punisher it went straight to video. I think this is one of the times that the time we waited for a Venom movie was time well spent. We got an actor that could handle the physical aspects of the role but also bring the comedy to the movie. Tom Hardy was worth waiting for.

[@928studiosinc06]

Ok, in all honesty, Tom Hardy would've been the perfect choice for Eddie Brock if The Amazing Spider-Man films kept going, but my guess, and going by Channel Awesome's version of what The Amazing Spider-Man 3 could've looked like, is that Flash Thompson could've also been a contender for Venom, but if they were attempting to try and recreate what Spider-Man 3 failed to do, then Tom Hardy vs Andrew Garfield would've been great. As is, I'm hoping we see Tom Holland don the Symbiote suit in the future films so we can get a better Alien Costume story.

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20% of this video is an ad…

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Wouldn’t be so bad if it wasn’t for a sponsor that’s a well known scam.

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For a scumbag product. He's deleting comments calling it out, too. Shitty...

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Not even, it's a scam ad :/ love his videos a lot but damn agreed

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For a company that got caught scamming people. Idk why people still accept sponsors from them

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@@allsome1o1 I mean they had the 7.8 mil to pay all of the people they violated the privacy of, I’m sure they offer over 3 months worth of California-level rent just to get someone to bite the line. Honestly if the money was good, can’t say I wouldn’t take it either, we live in that kinda world.

[@donutfilms360]

Man I love watching these videos

[@sarahmerkx4164]

Hello Bullets & Blockbusters! I'm a big fan of what you do on this channel. I want to be a film maker in the future to, so learning how my favorite movies where made (specifically in the writing phase), and hearing about alternative story ideas i find very interesting. I have a few video ideas of my own that i would like to pitch. Ofcourse these are just suggestions but i'd love seeing one of these ideas be made into a actual video. Okay! Lets get started! -What could have been: TMNT 2 & 3 In 2007 a animated sequel to the Live-Action Ninja Turtle Trilogy from the 90's, but this film was supposed to have two sequels. The first a Mickey focust film about the return of The Shredder, and the second about Donnie & The attack of Krang. -What could have been: Tim Story's Fantastic Four 3: Im curios about what this film would have been. I theorize the negative zone -What could have been: Wesley Snipes' Black Panther: In your Blade video you mentioned that Wesley Snipes' (or somebody else) was trying to get a Black Panther movie of the ground in the early 90's. Where there any story ideas for this film? -What Could have been: The FNaF Movie: As a fan of the games (specifically because of its lore and storytelling) i'm curious about the original story ideas the team had for the movie adaptation. I mean, a movie stuck in "Development hell" for 5+ years must have had some interesting story ideas, right? And finally, What Could have been: Deadpool 3: I heard that Ryan Reynolds pitched 15 different story ideas to Kevin Feige before the final version. I'm very curious to what those could have been if continued into a finished film, especially since i heard a version of it was going to be Deadpool going to a Marvel Zombies universe and battling a army of Zombies in Times Square. Like i sed before: these are just suggestions and id be very grateful if ones of the ideas was a candidate in one of your community post for next video. Heck, i'm even grateful that you and all the other people to take the time out of there day to read this comment! Anyway, sorry for this incredibly long comment and good luck! (Btw: this is my first KZbin comment)

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

No need to be sorry and thanks for those awesome suggestions! I’ll def look into them and best of luck with your filmmaking journey

[@tremorsfan]

It's interesting how many elements from the 90s script carried over. I wonder if the screenwriter was given that earlier draft as a reference.

[@sid6076]

I remember the leaks and rumors for it being rated r and then hearing it change to a pg13 and then I saw the leak of venom saying “we are venom” before he attempts to eat the guy

[@BubbaUltra]

Venom not being in NWH was one of the Marvel/Sony's dumbest decisions

[@SirsasthNigam.]

MCU knew Sony Stupidity Universe Venom vs 199999 Spidey won't work that Venom looks nothing like comics one They can't even say the line properly "They made us spit Venom Then WE ARE VENOM"

[@ThanxNo]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Sony vetoed that out of concern it would take attention away/create confusion about their Venom films. That post-credits scene in NWH felt like their compromise

[@melancholyentertainment]

No, that one was actually a good decision. It would have been a waste. Having a Venom trilogy without Spider-Man involved in his backstory was the dumb decision. But they already did it so having them crossover would be pointless key jangling. It would just be a superhero meeting an antihero. You wouldn’t have any of the unique chemistry and friction of Peter Parker and Eddie Brock. They need to save that for when the MCU does its own Venom storyline properly.

[@ThanxNo]

@@melancholyentertainment Couldn’t agree more! Tom Hardy Eddie has no connection to any Spider-Man, and Sony likely thought Topher Grace Eddie appearing would muddy the waters for their Venom franchise

[@cinemaarts8795]

Imagine this: Alan Ritchson as Eddie Brock and Matthew Lillard as Cletus Kassidy!

[@mdh16off59]

In mcu Gona bé great of course or mybe in alternative univers

[@brmawe]

I'm it never happened, A middle aged Eddie Brock and a teenage Peter Parker just sounds like an odd team up. SONY's Venom & TASM makes the most sense if you ask me.

[@szero7429]

It could maybe work as a mentor student relationship thing, both characters have lost a lot, Peter is now completely alone and forgotten and could benefit from a mentor like Eddie who's in similar position in life but older, Eddie could use the development too. I know it's very different but I think it's an interesting idea at least

[@skinnyweenie8679]

How tf does the Amazing Spider-Man and Venom makes the most sense ? What the hell are you even talking about ???

[@Benratbag1997]

A gritty R-Rated 90s Venom Movie would be awesome! Better than the recent inferior crummy Tom Hardy Movies. I'm not sure it would've been welll received by critics and audiences at the time. As well as Dolph Lundgen as Venom, maybe have Robert Englund as Carnage and Kristin Davis as Ashley Kafka.

[@juangarza24]

Great stuff as always!!

[@allsome1o1]

Yes the first Venom movie was originally set in the MCU. Hence why Venom took place in San Diego to not have people questioning why other hero’s weren’t showing up to fight Venom/Riot

[@scourgeprime263]

Gotta admit, that first draft from David Goyer sounds WAY BETTER then "Let the be Carnage", though I hate the idea that we would see (and loose) Carnage already in the first film. Would have loved to see them team up against Toxin.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Great video man

[@Orice11]

I can't really get behind Venom having an origin that doesn't involve the Symbiote/Eddie's combined hatred of Spiderman/Peter Parker. To me, it's like having Batman without dead parents. Those events are key to the birth of the character.

[@hthrun]

4:00 The Daily Weekly?

[@irvinreevesinbaraj6134]

You made it!!! Thank you so much!!! God bless you man and have a good day!

[@JOSH-lw2jv]

*"The Original Plans for RAMBO IV & RAMBO V"* (Before we had the 4th film that we all know and love titled: *"JOHN RAMBO",* there were multiple story ideas for the 4th film that never came to be, going way back when *"RAMBO III"* was still in production.) • One script known as *"RAMBO IV: The Black Forest",* had Rambo working with Greenpeace fighting - what Sylvester Stallone said were - "nature criminals". • Another script (written by Stallone in the early '90s) had Rambo making it to Bowie, Arizona but he is kicked out by his brother (the town's sheriff) due to his involvement in Vietnam and the events of the three films. But Rambo comes back to help his brother, as criminals that he arrested broke out of jail to kill him, and all this took place during a large hurricane. • One unproduced script had Rambo living in the quiet life with his wife & child, only for them to be kidnapped by white supremacists. • Another script had Rambo working in the United Nations as a diplomat and he tries to stop a hostage situation when terrorists (including Rambo's adopted son) take control of the UN headquarters. • Other potential villains that Rambo would've faced include right wing militia, meth dealers, international drug dealers, and biker gangs. • One script called *"RAMBO:* *Borderline"* by Dan Gordon (which later became *"RAMBO: Last Blood")* had Rambo going to Mexico to rescue his maid's granddaughter from traffickers, and he is horrified to learn that their crime boss - known as "The Judge" - is none other than Will Teasle, the original antagonist of *"FIRST BLOOD".* • A rejected script idea for a 5th film called *"RAMBO V: The Savage Hunt"* (which was loosely based on James Bryon Huggins' novel: *"Hunter")* had Rambo leading a elite special forces kill team to hunt down and kill a genetically-engineered creature.

[@yusuf_aleem]

They should just continue to build off the Amazing Spider-Man universe

[@hawsrulebegin7768]

I always feel bad for actors who lose their potentially big roles that would propel their careers because execs keep changing their minds. Must be so gutting when they see future films and wonder what could’ve been.

[@RealogOnlyBrodie]

From what I hear if Sony gives enough villains their own movies then Marvel won’t be able to use said villains in their Spider-Man movies. Them making villain movies is a slow way of Sony trying to get 100% of Spider-Man’s rights back by making the mcu movies boring because they keep using all of the most popular rogues for intentionally mid solo movies.

[@MikeNoMichael]

NLC Venom: You aren’t ready.

[@allosaur_reborn]

All of these sounded really interesting and would have been wild to see, especially if the 90's Venom was made... Venom would have literally had a movie made before Spider-Man, CONSIDER THAT!!! Also how did you come to know of the Topher Grace Venom film draft? I've scoured the internet so long for it but to no avail.

[@juliandelcasale509]

Who wants Tom Hardy to come back as Venom for TASM 3, Spiderman 4 with Tom Holland and Avengers Secret Wars?

[@twen2times]

Damn the 90s venom sounds insanely dark but like a really good movie

[@davidjames579]

The Tom Hardy ones seem very 90's in their tone and execution.

[@hardikchadha9545]

Could you find any information on alex kurtzman's version of Venom. I just only know the casting whether it be Channing Tatum and Finn Wittrock. Also I couldn't how Eddie surived the explosion.

[@ashlingeorge6576]

David S Goyers's Venom script sounds exactly like Hal Jordan's origin story. I wonder David S Goyer actually took inspiration from it.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

💯

[@tskmaster3837]

"R rated body horror. A one sentence Venom pitch that has my interest, nice work there Avi Arad. "I want a PG 13 sociopath!"

[@HerbCoswellBornAgain]

This is why Sony just needs to stop and give the full rights back to Marvel. Or at the very least do what they SHOULD be doing, which is do movies on other spider people. Like Noir, 2099, Spider-Gwen, Julia Carpenter Spiderwoman that doesn't suck, TASM 3, Raimi Spiderman 4, etc. And/or at least movies on villains people would actually be hyped to see like Prowler and Doc Ock and Green Goblin.

[@BuryTheLight-tds]

Agreed, I think they should end the SSU with the Kraven movie and focus more on the animated Spiderverse stuff.

[@MrM-u3h]

I thought they should have let Sony keep Peter Parker and Marvel could have used Miles as their Spiderman.

[@SecretMagician]

​@MrM-u3h, this isn't a Flash type of situation. People would be at an uproar over a solid 95% of the Spider-Man characters and mythos not being in the main MCU.

[@MrM-u3h]

@SecretMagician That's already the case, though. Mj is different, Ned is new, they've only used Vulture, Shocker and Mysterio and like Flash brought back old versions. Maybe Sony using Miles would be a better option. Spidey has enough villains to split up.

[@fabiansanchez2438]

I don’t know why, but it felt so short But I hope you you do Halloween franchise next because I’m really looking for for that

[@KuWota2k]

Lowkey a fully practical effect Venom and Carnage from the 90s sounds awesome. Especially if they got fitting actors for the body type. (Sorry I'm just a sucker for practical effects like that.) Great video! I love Venom so much and I'm excited to see how this new trilogy ends, it's pretty interesting how ideas from the unmade script somehow made it to the newer ones, either coincidentally or not. Would love to see more about the making of Venom films or perhaps the Spider-Man ones.

[@hthrun]

7:00 I like that story better than the one we got in Venom 2...

[@robertmason837]

I’m gonna be honest I’m okay with how we got the venom trilogy so far.

[@EricHernandez-vx8cv]

This video just reminds me of how insistent Sony has been on "We want our stuff to be with the MCU" and how much Feige and Marvel DON'T want to deal with that. After all, it's because of Marvel and Phil Lord/Chris Miller , respectively, that there have been good Spiderman films.

[@clemensprod.5756]

They’re still sponsoring people? Lol

[@NickMichalak]

After a $7M lawsuit from the FTC for revealing sensitive customer data to third parties, I view BetterHelp eternally as a tainted brand and I can’t support anyone who takes their money. I’m not watching this video past that sponsorship plug.

[@FilmTrekk]

and deleting comments that bring it up 👀

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

@@FilmTrekk I have not deleted one comment so not sure what you're talking about

[@nothingislogical]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters That’s bullshit. You deleted one of mine.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

@@nothingislogical Incorrect. KZbin automatically deletes or hides what it deems are inappropriate or hateful comments. I have no control over that. I personally rarely delete comments and only do so if they're incredibly offensive, hateful or inappropriate.

[@endrendstudios7665]

You're teasing me with that NWH video you know

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

I know. It’s coming :)

[@dimethedude]

We missed out on dolph as venom…. 🤯💔

[@SirTyJensen]

Goyer's Venom movie sounds crazy!

[@johnpittsii7524]

Thanks for the video ❤

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I would've made Venom loosely connected to Amazing Spiderman. Then have a movie about Flash Thompson from those movies joining the marines and losing his legs saving people. Then he is able to get his legs back through a program that would bond him with the Venom symbiote. Turning him into Agent Venom. Then he can teamup with Venom or Spiderman. Or both.

[@stsolomon618]

Instead of doing a comic book villian movie. They should have green lit Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 4

[@StuartLugsden]

All I want is for Sony to give up, throw their universe in the bin and hand the rights back to Marvel after Spiderverse 3.

[@tylerkate-ip2vw]

If Sony actually greenlits TASM3 They'll have to get rid of AVI ARAD Or put Phil Lord and Chris Miller in charge

[@MLG-Dude]

Putting 2 master minds onto this project seems like a great idea! Unfortunately Sony the goof ball fired them from the spider man characters spin off series but luckily they can still work on spider verse 3 🤷‍♂️

[@BuryTheLight-tds]

Or they'll keep Avi Arad and ruin another Spiderman movie

[@warshallwathers7971]

Sony should just give the rights back to Marvel

[@dinomonzon7493]

A reason Topher Grace's Venom failed was simply because he didn't Look the part; Todd McFarlane drew Eddie Brock as a giant of a man (Brock Lesner would've been a better pick) who readers can believe can dismember Spidey even Without the symbiote. I think Sony's just putting out lackluster fare like Madam Webb just so it can retain what very few Marvel rights it still can cling to, much like Paramount's G. I. Joe films are such boring works- either Joker: Folie a Deux or The Marvels (which IS rather good) would be far more watchable.

[@fernsandoval6474]

I really hope he does Van Helsing from 2004

[@giornothepastaboss285]

10:26! Hopefully we come back to this in the future or should I say soon soon ha ha ha ha

[@ObsidianRex-23]

Usually when it comes to these vids, I'd have liked to see what could've been, but in this case, I'm satisfied with what we got. Still hope we get an Agent Venom movie someday though

[@BuryTheLight-tds]

With the Venom movies potentially ending with Last Dance, I think it's time for the MCU have it's own Venom. Agent Venom should definitely be someone that isn't Flash, because the MCU version is literally a joke.

[@ObsidianRex-23]

@@BuryTheLight-tds I hate to agree, but right is right, and I LIKE the MCU Spider-Man movies. The MCU might have to skip Eddie and FLash and go straight to Andi or some shit. Idk how they're gonna salvage it

[@Person-wz6iy]

"VENOM!" -Eminem. And I share my birthday with him!

[@austinnatwick5293]

Can you please do Ryan Gosling’s WolfMan

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

I’ll look into it

[@hardikchadha9545]

I think it was only a gig he landed and then he bowed out.

[@austinnatwick5293]

@@hardikchadha9545 no he was fired after the flop of The Mummy with Tom Cruise and the Story changed to the Leigh Whannell’s Wolfman that comes out in January

[@Whatacomedian_]

Wasnt the rock casted as the wolf man?

[@austinnatwick5293]

@@Whatacomedian_ yes in the Dark universe version but after the failure of The Dark Universe with The Mummy Universal was making a new version with Ryan Gosling in the role of the Wolfman and Derek Cianfrance Directing but they both left the project in 2023 and Leigh Whannell took over as Director and Recasted Ryan with Christopher Abbott

[@mathieuleader8601]

Hank Azaria's performance as Venom is chilling

[@TonyZarkua]

Plz Do Episodes For The Following Cancelled Movies And TV Series 1)Fox Deadpool 3 2)Original The Lion King 3)Me And My Shadow 4)Star Wars Underworld 5)Joss Wheadon Wonder Woman Movie 6)The Lego Batman Movie 2 7)Adventure Time Movie 8)Coyote Vs Acme 9)Cancelled Flash Movie Ideas 10)Transformers 6 11)Sonic Armageddon 12)The Last Airbender Sequel 13)Magneto Movie 14)Arkham Asylum TV Series 15)Peter Jackson Halo Movie 16)Man Of Steel 2 17)Transformers G I Joe Movie 18)Ben 10 Movie 19)Cancelled Phineas And Ferb Movie 20)Hellboy 3

[@saturn_wolf]

Somehow the biggest Spider-Man enemy continues to be Sony

[@LeonardoKlotz]

#IBlameAviArad

[@ZAYA.21]

I wanted venom to be in the Andrew Garfield universe.

[@StuartLugsden]

Regardless if it comes out or not could you cover MCU Blade? Movie has been stuck in development hell for so long and I want to know exactly what happened. Writing a vampire slayer shouldn’t be hard.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

I plan to

[@StuartLugsden]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters thanks

[@WilliamEwing-xi3tx]

I’m back

[@NicolasFranco-g4v]

Pls do what could have been Sony Mario Bros Movie

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Great suggestion

[@deadtechzach3776]

So, the first pitch is essentially the entire Venom trilogy? Interesting.

[@MetropolisKid]

can explain why they bothered to put tim hollands spider man at the end of the 2nd movie ?

[@blacktar3411]

stop supporting better help jesus christ

[@maguma3419]

That New Line script sounds like it would have been the cheesiet 90s movie ever made

[@johnnythewicked]

I’ll never be interested in a venom flick that doesn’t have spider man in it

[@Bored_Barbarian]

0:39 better help literally sold private mental health data to marketing firms to better manipulate their customers into buying things. It takes 2 seconds of research to find that out. Why are you promoting such a horrible company

[@omgijh]

I really need more! 😅

[@WilliamEwing-xi3tx]

Can you do what could have been spider man 2002 or 2007

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Yup

[@WilliamEwing-xi3tx]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters thanks