The Other 99, Ep. 61: Horobi, Death's Wail

[@erik9420]

You can play a card with extort in a mono-black deck because the white mana symbol is part of the reminder text

[@arsonedaxe8466]

Color identity includes rules text so it's white black so it can't be played

[@TopAndGoProductions]

Chris Varney Read 903.4b: magiccards.info/rule/903-commander.html

[@Farycane]

@@arsonedaxe8466 Rules text is not the same as Reminder Text

[@Veremospostagem]

Cards like 'Aphotic Wisps' won't let you draw a card if Horobi is on the battlefield. Due to Horobi's ability the creature will die before the spell resolves, causing the spell to counter itself upon 'resolution'. Once you target a creature with any spell or ability, that creature is gone and the spell loses its target. Cantrips doesn't work with Horobi's ability. EDIT: Equipments doesn't work as well due to the same explanation above. Equipping a creature with a skullclamp, for example, will just kill the creature without letting you draw any cards.

[@4rc1z0]

Targeting creatures while horobi is out means that ability usually doesn't resolve as the target gets destroyed just before. This means necroskitter+blowfly would never chain to wipe the board for example, or that aphotic wisps cannot both destroy and draw a card. Unhallowed pact is not instant creature steal, it is either used as usual, or kills the creature before enchanting it. I found that strategies relying on counters being placed are counter-synergistic with horobi

[@quasimofo8944]

Well, my day has been greatly brightened by the sight of this. The video was quite well done...Though it is true that Consumptive Goo and the tokens from Skirk Ridge Exhumer provide a -1/-1 drain and not -1/-1 counters. I also feel like a right loon, however. I hadn't any idea the problems with Aphotic Wisps, Unhallowed Pact, and Glistening Oil and quite frankly I feel rather embarrassed I failed to notice these issues until now. Thankfully a friend of mine had some wonderful suggestions to replace those three cards. Yixlid Jailer (my personal favorite zombie), Zombie Trailblazer, and Touch of Darkness. Again, thank you all for this opportunity, especially TopAndGoProductions. Continue on with your great work.

[@TopAndGoProductions]

Thanks Quasimofo! Don't feel too bad, we could have caught it ourselves but we didn't. Thanks for the extra suggestions and we're glad you liked the video!

[@Gimpocalypse]

TopAndGoProductions Quasi Mofo I feel like Touch of Darkness with Horobi could get you punched in the face. Hell of a replacement =]

[@connor1491]

I appreciated the Baron Munchousen reference :D

[@xiiDeMiiGoDzZiix]

I'm fairly certain that cauldron of souls is mainly for the board wipe with Horobi, rather than saving your dudes

[@glow572]

Itll bring back their creatures with -1/-1 so they don't really die if you target enemies

[@AtomicG]

Hehe. I also built a Horobi deck with the extent purpose of slowing down the Voltron builds that had been showing up at my local card shop. It focuses mostly on the "Target X, Y Happens" aspect, clearing the way for Horobi to chip in w/ that Commander Damage. Playing him in a 4- or 5-player game is hilarious as well. Things get very political once everyone suddenly has access to kill spells.

[@Hynth]

reminder: use cauldron of souls on the opponents creatures instead of your own when Horobi is on the battlefield!

[@Billchu13]

Remember, a spell or ability that targets creatures will get countered when Horobi is in play. So no Cantrips, Glistening Oil would not be in play when it goes to the graveyard on cast, Sorin doesn't gain you life, etc.

[@AuronDK]

Ruric Thar gets my vote. But i would love it more to see kiki-jiki ore Doran the siege tower. Please! Regards Danni from Danmark.

[@marcusager974]

Know what this deck needs? Touch of Darkness. With Horobi out it's basically a 1 mana instant speed Plague Wind.

[@sumanoskae]

Oona, Queen of the Fae; I've never been quite clear on the unique purpose of mill as compared to burn (For the win condition), reanimation, or thievery (For the parasitic aspect). I'm curios to hear your take on the advantage of mill. Plus, I don't think we've seen a dedicated mill deck on this show before.

[@Gimpocalypse]

Necroskitter with a well-timed BSZ basically says "Nice creatures you have over there. It'd be a shame if something were to...happen to them..." EDIT: Also noticed there's an infinite kill combo with Hex Parasite, Horobi, and Sangromancer. I change my vote to Ruric Thar.

[@OscarRobalino]

I would love to see you guys make a voltron deck on a budget, Korlash, Heir to Blackblade would be a good pick

[@OGfisk]

Technically this LEdge Commander could be a vultron

[@chicagomademan7989]

cauldron of souls is great with horobi. target all your opponents creatures with the ability then before it resolves they all explode from being targeted

[@erik9420]

Captain sisay is my vote

[@kezthepieman13]

I would like to see Oona, Queen of the Fae. I play her as my commander and I would like to see what other people have done with her.

[@THEMithrandir09]

lol cauldron of souls + horobi=boardwipe

[@sorinmarkov11]

will you upload a new gameplay Video ? i love them ;) oh and i vote oona

[@StevelorLichington]

You don't draw off the whisps if Horobi is in play.

[@Sidertrune]

Aye aye, Cap'n! Needs some Captain Sisay.

[@dodobirdcommander]

Love Horobi + Glistening Oil. Does Oil really hit the battlefield though? Or is it's target dead by the time it would? Just want to double-check the ruling on that. :) Tally up a vote for Ruric Thar!

[@WatermelonCarver]

Sadly, I don't think glistening oil works that way. You place it onto the stack, then Horobi triggers, then Horobi's trigger resolves, then glistening oil goes to try to resolve and finds no legal targets, going directly from the stack to the graveyard.

[@dodobirdcommander]

Sebastian McKown Grant Gutierrez Thanks for the answers guys, that's too bad about Glistening Oil.

[@quasimofo8944]

Dodo Bird Commander Sebastian McKown Grant Gutierrez Thank you for pointing this out. I feel quite embarrassed, but I hope the three replacement cards I mentioned make some amends to my blunder.

[@dodobirdcommander]

Quasi Mofo Hey, who cares, it was a great thought! I've done similar things.

[@Gimpocalypse]

Dodo Bird Commander Also the replacement cards are possibly better haha.

[@simonwellsted]

Oona queen of the fay i have a vampire mill deck with her in and i want to see how she works on her own

[@ProdigalSonOfSony]

Oona, Queen of the Fae; because I don't think we've seen a Mill deck yet and I'd like to get some ideas for my pending Phenax build. ~ House Dimir fo' life!

[@Gimpocalypse]

If you're going for mill in EDH, do land mill. As in cards that say "mill until you reveal X lands". Those cards are silly in EDH.

[@ProdigalSonOfSony]

The only 2 cards I've found that really have value with this in multiplayer format is Mirko and Mind Grind; that being said, the deck I run is creature heavy: for fun and value.

[@Gimpocalypse]

Prodigal Son Of Sony Phenax works fine with creatures. Just make sure they have big butts haha.

[@simonwellsted]

Mind crank, dustmatle guild mage, consuming abbaration . Activate guild mages cm3 ability play spell win mutiplayer.

[@ProdigalSonOfSony]

Yeah; the deck has a lot of good synergy / combo. It's partly based on David West's deck, but I made altercations to make it more Dimir / combo themed.

[@dmany13]

I vote ruric that the unbowed I like seeing creative ways to use him for advantage

[@quasimofo8944]

It recently occurred to me that I have yet to place my vote. My apologies. My vote goes to Oona, Queen of the Fae.

[@aidanwholihan9801]

Doesn't equipping just kill the creature because it is targeted?

[@xLadyDangerx]

Oona either fariee tribal or mill/graveyard

[@apeofjustice7109]

What about Dictate of Erebos, so the opponent(s) would have to sacrifice everytime one of your creatures die.

[@TheNight222]

Captain Sisay would be nice.

[@Blakeo32]

My vote goes for Captain Sisay.

[@MadaraOfTheWhiteRose]

I'm going to say Sisay. I have a Sisay deck that's fun but was hell'a expensive to make.

[@marcusager974]

I get a pretty strong impression that many rules intricacies are not fully understood by the deck creator here...the biggest one being that if you kill something by casting a spell/activating an ability targeting it with Horobi in play the spell/ability is effectively countered and does nothing. Aphotic Wisps won't draw you a card, Glistening Oil won't return to your hand (it was never on the battlefield), and Unhallowed Pact won't return the creature to the battlefield under your control, to name a few.

[@Gimpocalypse]

Marcus Ager "Well, my day has been greatly brightened by the sight of this. The video was quite well done...Though it is true that Consumptive Goo and the tokens from Skirk Ridge Exhumer provide a -1/-1 drain and not -1/-1 counters. I also feel like a right loon, however. I hadn't any idea the problems with Aphotic Wisps, Unhallowed Pact, and Glistening Oil and quite frankly I feel rather embarrassed I failed to notice these issues until now. Thankfully a friend of mine had some wonderful suggestions to replace those three cards. Yixlid Jailer (my personal favorite zombie), Zombie Trailblazer, and Touch of Darkness. Again, thank you all for this opportunity, especially TopAndGoProductions. Continue on with your great work." -- From the creator of the deck himself.

[@olivermeloche2042]

this deck needs more mana-rock for its curve, also horobi will die alot which means you need the mana to continually recast him

[@quasimofo8944]

I must disagree. I am quite careful when I play Horobi to maximize the use I get out of it before someone manages to hit it. It's also worth considering most spells that would be used to hit Horobi would have done the job anyway. Finally, I've found Sheoldred, Mikaeus, Crypt Ghast, and the Urborg/Coffer team work brilliantly to keep Horobi in play quite often.

[@olivermeloche2042]

Quasi Mofo fair enough, I guess I wasn't putting skill into the equation, but I personally find that running 7 mana bombs like Sheoldred without consistent forms of acceleration tight on your curve and Mana. It can be hard to keep up with green decks if they are ramping and you are not.

[@Gimpocalypse]

Oliver Meloche I actually think a green deck would have a rough time against this. All that ramping is worthless if he's just gonna blast away every fatty that hits the board. Though it might be worth having just a liiiiittle bit more "mana stuffs". Maybe like an Extraplanar Lens?

[@friendlyfire15]

ruric thar, please!

[@VladdViever]

Casting My vote for Ruric Thar

[@StevelorLichington]

This video was full of you naming cards that did not put -1/-1 counters on things, but declaring they did.

[@TopAndGoProductions]

We assumed the audience knew that we were assuming that Horobi was not in the field when you played those cards, since Horobi won't be out 100% of the time.

[@StevelorLichington]

No, the cards actually did not put -1/-1 counters. They had effects that simply gave -1/-1. Consumptive goo at 3:45 is one of those creatures. It does not put -1/-1 Counters it instead gives -1/-1 until end of turn. You do it 2 or 3 more times in the video.

[@RedLexLuthur]

Sisay please.

[@GaleOfTheVale]

You cant play crypt ghast in a mono black EDH deck

[@brantbedore1399]

I can't believe this is the top video for Horobi decks with so much misinformation. Even the first interaction he mentions is wrong because Aphotic Whisps will fizzle with no legal target. Unhallowed Pact's ability also fizzles without giving you the creature and using Cauldron of Souls on your own creatures will wipe your own board. I love this general but make sure you know how his interactions play out before investing in the deck.

[@alexpeterson9913]

Oona!

[@idodo32]

captain sisay!

[@jackbaker7327]

Horobi vs. Marath MWAHAHAHAHAHA

[@romo4359]

Captain Sisay

[@BenchForAllTheMarbles]

Ruric Thar.

[@TheAed38]

This deck just isn't as fun without cards like baton of morale, squee's toy, and oasis. Turning bad obscure cards into removal is worth it for the LOLs. Nefashu is also great at a 5 for 1. Don't forget about touch of darkness. One sided instant board wipe for B is as good as it gets.

[@atokadreginsneb6635]

im pretty unsatisfied with this video.

[@CrawlAngel]

Captain sissay

[@jua3000]

Ruric Thar

[@Aman12161989]

Oona

[@arsonedaxe8466]

Pew pew?

[@Garchicero]

Sisay is way overdone. My vote goes for Oona.

[@TidalslimShady]

umm i say skip all and goto conspiracy videos

[@Giriko3490]

SISAY! plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Sisay

[@rick8216]

thrun no care yo

[@Tedurbin202]

I thought this deck was very interesting in that it played with lots of cards I don't normally see. Although some of the interactions didn't make sense, like the unhallowed pact or glistening oil w/Horobi down. Still, I liked the deck very much. I vote for Oona. I'm guessing she'll be control/mill as she can seriously drop little annoying faeries on a near constant basis. Great video and I look forward to seeing the next one.

[@jjdiddy50]

Captain Sisay

[@shrapnel200]

Ruric Thar

[@thekorlord2049]

Oona