The other side of a killer. My interview with Brian Draper.

Over this past year, I've gotten to know Brian Draper just because someone does one horrible thing does that make them a bad person?? Please enjoy this interview with my friend Brian. If you have any questions for him please leave them in the comments.

[@thomasallen4340]

He's inmate 85763. Not Brian draper anymore. Rip Cassie angel

[@skylervanleer3042]

Imagine referring to your dog as an asshole but supporting and defending a cold blooded murderer

[@Itiswhatitisthepod]

Hahahah I don't defend what he did at all.

[@awkwardautistic]

​@@ItiswhatitisthepodSo many people don't understand that you can separate the person from the bad thing they did. You can try and understand why someone did what they did and that isn't excusing or condoning it.

[@Edithwirtz-bu5yu]

Intelligent response

[@ChaseTheHeat]

Thank GOD for your viewers and their comments. I almost wasted time watching your video. Instead, I'm only wasting time leaving a comment.

[@KassidyGinn]

It was a one time crime only because they got arrested before they could do it again.

[@maxk880]

Definitely lol they were planning to go super serial killer mode but were too stupid to not get caught

[@savinabees9220]

what's your point.? He committed 1 crime. " 1 time crime"

[@KassidyGinn]

@@savinabees9220 my point is there would of been more if they didn’t get caught

[@SandeJune]

​@KassidyGinn EXACTLY they literally drove to another girl's home and she wasn't there. They would have done it again given the chance

[@WatchGeek8167]

In another part of the recording, Brain said they tried like 10 other times before this, and they all were unsuccessful. Stating that “they weren’t home alone.” And “the parents came home.” Then he talked about how the stars aligned because Cassie was going to be home alone the upcoming weekend. No parents, no one to interrupt the act. They didn’t care who it was. Cassie just happened to be the perfect target, because they knew ahead of time she would be home. Remember, they were like “Cassie is our friend, but we all have to make sacrifices.” Just total disregard for human life. Not just Cassie’s, but all human life in general.

[@danisellers8300]

Ask him about his other potential victims- others that he tried to kill but we weren’t home. Me (Dani dixon) being one of them. Brian had several victims, so don’t let him fool you. I have a letter from him when he was first arrested as well. If you’re interested in who Brian really is -I’ll tell you my story.

[@annanowak19885]

Would love to hear your story Dani, thank God your parents were home that night. I can fully imagine what was in his letter to you, him trying to minimise his crime and escape justice. He's a compulsive liar.

[@Itiswhatitisthepod]

I would love to hear your story. Please email me. [e-mail]

[@danisellers8300]

@@Itiswhatitisthepod I’m not sure I can fit it all in an email- I’d be happy to do an interview with you though!

[@Itiswhatitisthepod]

@danisellers8300 please email me so we can set something up.

[@crmay72]

​@@danisellers8300Yes! I'd be interested in hearing your story! So glad you are here to tell it. 👍

[@stagename1031]

Wow you don’t believe judging someone over ONE thing??? HE MURDERED A FRIEND…. Brutally!!! ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING. Why don’t you tell Cassie’s family to not judge him “ just for one thing he did” Wow, I hope you don’t experience the same thing but it would only be one time so no biggie I guess

[@patrickp8315]

Before committing this crime, he was fantasying and planning a school mass shooting Columbi style but he didn't access to gun at that time. I believe that many lives got saved because he committed this crime and got arrested first. Who knows, if he got away, we may have heard his name from a worse crime, mass shooting. His prison sentence has saved many lives.

[@libertas12]

i dont think anybody is questioning that

[@helpsaveyourneighbor752]

Lol she can only pick up dudes that kill girls and are in prison…this chick makes me sick

[@Itiswhatitisthepod]

Pick up dudes??? It's an interview slow down.

[@savinabees9220]

ya...slow down.... and stop watching if your so offended

[@craigcuthbert8512]

Shut up

[@alimarie67]

Every 16 year old has insecurities in high school, but they don’t all go around butchering their “ supposed friend”.

[@bplovelove3119]

Yeah, that's why we have young school shooters now. Your thought process doesn't make sense. Just because you didn't kill when you have insecurities you're not talking for every insecure teen out there who will do it because of what they idolize. There's teens that drive ++mph in unnecessary public places due to insecurities. Hope you know that.

[@savinabees9220]

What a ridiculous comment that has been said a zillion times.... Im imagining this program is for people like You to stretch your mind a tad. If you choose to. Feel something new maybe..??? It doesn't take anything from the victim. It's as well as what we feel for the victim. Hes paying for his crime....and sounds like growing. What's your story???

[@alimarie67]

@@savinabees9220 … my story is I feel for the victim and the family. Thank God, this demon is behind bars. He’s lucky he didn’t get the electric chair. Their plan was to murder more kids, but thank God they got caught. My guess your story is…you’re a liberal do-gooder, as long as nobody murders your loved one.

[@metallica2500]

@@savinabees9220 what the f*ck are you talking about, these little brats planned and murdered a beautiful young lady and one of them did it just because she wasn’t into him and he wanted to get the thrill and rush of killing another human being, it doesn’t matter how many times it was said it’s scum bags like you that thinks someone needs to stretch their mind a little bit. How would you like it if someone stretched you out a little bit and some douche bag came out and said well they were just 16 year olds you need to open your mind because they’ve changed their life around and you know what maybe they should get out early for being fine upstanding citizens while in prison, it’s amazing how fear in prison will change two little killers minds in regards to how they think, but that doesn’t mean they need to be let out early. What really should happen is they should get the death penalty and it should be done in the same way they took Cassie‘s life

[@WatchGeek8167]

@@savinabees9220 ​​⁠ The fact the OP comment has 44 likes and this comment has zero, says it all. We don’t know if it takes anything away from the victim. It very well could, but they aren’t here, so how do we know? Also, I’m sure it takes a lot away from the victim’s family. Which is most important. If it causes psychological torment to the victim’s family knowing that this guy is “growing,” and becoming rehabilitated, then this is a problem. It is not about him. Stop making it about him. I don’t believe he is entitled to cause the families any more torment. He is lucky to be breathing, and it should be left at that. He should keep the growth stuff to himself. He’s caused enough trauma already.

[@annanowak19885]

If Brian actually wanted to "honour Cassie's memory" he would go away and stop giving interviews, but no, he can't resist seeking the spotlight he craved at 16.

[@maximmatiusenco4335]

That's your opinion. If he wants something to say, why not? He knows he fucked up. Why not talk about it.

[@leo29hornsfan]

@@maximmatiusenco4335it’s ashamed what happened to Kassie Jo and how it happened. At least this guy Brian Draper knows what he did and wants to change while he can. Yes he doesn’t deserve to see the civilized society again, but at least in his heart ❤️ he knew he screwed up and wants one more chance to just be forgiven.

[@ShadrakJohn]

@@leo29hornsfan but it won't bring Cassie back.

[@tommyramirez284]

Dumb comment

[@awkwardautistic]

​@@ShadrakJohnWell no shit...neither will hating the guy.

[@shadowymystic]

I thought this would be a lot more interesting than it was, but to be blunt, you're a terrible interviewer. I wasn't expecting 30 minutes of "interview" consisting of you mainly gushing like a schoolgirl over how "cool" this or that is. Nothing is cool about life in prison and it's not supposed to be. Of course Brian has grown up a lot. 16 or so years will do that. But that doesn't change the fact that Cassie never got the chance to do the same. He took her life in a sick violent way and her family continues to suffer for it. You were right about one thing, it's not fair. But what's not fair that he gets to live and Cassie doesn't. I think you should seek therapy instead of prison calls with murderers.

[@craigcuthbert8512]

Your a douche

[@jtomyhope575]

​@sp00f34 is this comment a joke? I hope this comment is a joke. Stay in school, kid. The interview was terrible and childish.

[@jtomyhope575]

@sp00f34 oh no, did I hurt the feelings of someone with 6 subscribers? Make sure you write all about it in your summer journal so that your 4th grade class can hear all about it in September.

[@raym6727]

This is the perfect comment!

[@chimpkjv1603]

Oh snap. I agree

[@MsRotorwings]

It’s one thing if a shooting was an accident. But this crime was premeditated, up close and personal. She was alive and terrified when she was being stabbed. He knew that.

[@Shepaints123]

Let me guess... she's over 200 pounds

[@alimarie67]

He talks about how his actions destroyed “his family “, what about how he destroyed Cassie and HER family !!!

[@dimples213]

If you watch lost for life he mentions cassie and her family. 🤨 don’t pick and choose and actually do research on this case

[@alimarie67]

@@dimples213 … he deserves the death penalty. Stop siding with the criminals.

[@dimples213]

@@alimarie67death penalty?? I mean it depends if the state he’s at has that as a punishment but it’s not so life in prison without parole is enough. I don’t see you talking about torey adamcik who claims he’s innocent and is trying his best to get a lesser sentence so he can be released one day. But yeah assume that i side with all criminals

[@heckatomb]

@@dimples213 They were both found guilty, so he has no chance of getting out. In addition, Torey Adamcick was one of the first "teenage killers" to be denied parole by a US Supreme Court judge. He will therefore end his days in prison protected by an inmate to whom he will serve as a wife, as is already the case today since he became homosexual in prison to protect himself from the inmates.

[@Navvs15]

@@dimples213 firstly, minors can't get the death penalty. Secondly, he destroyed someone’s life and their families lives too. Not to mention he also destroyed his families lives too. He should be grateful his family still visits him and has not abandoned him.

[@erick7895]

Of course it was just one time thing, he was caught before became a full blown serial killer, honey he's a psychopath

[@LuciaLight100]

Ask him if Cassie knew it was her friends brutally murdering her without a second thought. Did they take their masks off. Al’s it’s gross you call people who hate what he did to that poor girl, “haters”. That is a terrible take.

[@scotthalverson6113]

It's so obvious that you've got a crush on him

[@thejetset3357]

She's debating who she's wants to marry between Scott Peterson, Chris Watts, and this guy.

[@smeghoul6563]

I've never heard a worse interview, he's a monster.

[@tiffany171720052005]

Why are you making excuses for this evil coward? They pre-planned. They turned off and on the lights to lure her to the basement. They then went upstairs where they stabbed her 30+ times with 12 of those being fatal. After that evening watching a movie with the girl and her boyfriend and pretending to have to leave. They left the basement door unlocked when they left. So they could come back. Sorry. Her nor Torey can be rehabilitated. They would have been serial killers in my opinion. They had a thirst for blood. How dare you defend this monster. He's not human. He did more than 1 things. People make mistakes. But this was planned and calculated. A permanent mistake. He killed that beautiful girl. He deserves LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE.

[@leslievasquez2645]

There is a video clip of him saying sorry to Cassie’s mom “but she has to be the one. She is going to die”. Disgusting and vile

[@metallica2500]

You are so right, those two should get the death penalty and it should be very slow and painful, I would let the father of Cassie come in and take their lives the same way that they took Cassie’s life, now that would be justice

[@ShadrakJohn]

@@leslievasquez2645 It was also sickening, cold blooded, and inexcusable.

[@leslievasquez2645]

@@ShadrakJohn that’s for sure

[@ShadrakJohn]

Cassie's family should give Torrey and Brian a beating every year on September 22; the day they killed Cassie.

[@MsRotorwings]

Are you pals with Chris Watts as well?

[@thejetset3357]

That's her side piece.

[@williamluckett]

Interviewer needs help crazy lady

[@Foggycallabasashillshelicopter]

Wtf is wrong with the woman interviewing him? “Haters”? Did she forget this guy planned out the murder of a 16 year old girl? What is with true crime people and their obsession with sympathizing with murderers?

[@Unpopularity]

@@stargirl5194 you don't get many murderers appealing to be free or forgiven to "open up to you" if you're sitting there drilling them. She's doing her job to get him to open up.

[@lemarjames9546]

@@stargirl5194yea she was doin a lil too much with this I could maybe understand if she was trying to make him feel comfortable to be more transparent but I think her sympathy for him was starting to be way too genuine

[@crystalblue2798]

Um they said she was the first and they wanted to kill more. If her boyfriend had stayed they would have try to kill him too. There was a girl before Cassie but she wasn't home. It amazes me how these type of people get sympathy and they shown none to the victims and intended victims. I also believe he liked her and was jealous.

[@k80did2]

Sorry bro. Killing for attention is always a bad idea. You were smart enough to know better.

[@doragurinova1452]

For everyone, who thinks, it' normal to kill with 16, for all the smart asses here and for all the people, who can still use their brains, know and realize exactly what Brian and Corey did : MOVIES DON'T CREATE PSYCHOS, MOVIES JUST MAKE PSYCHOS MORE CREATIVE! P.S. I bet we all would be interested to see what Torey has to say 16 years later! I personally would be thankful if there's one from 2022 and someone can provide a link to it! Thanks in advance!

[@dimples213]

Lmao what?! He knows what he did was horrible and he can’t take it back what do u expect from him ? And there’s no videos of TOREY because he and his parents are just manipulators about his “innocence” and blame everything on Brian. The knives that were used to kill cassie belonged to torey.

[@Navvs15]

@@dimples213 they're both where they should be. 😂

[@annanowak19885]

Just to get actual FACTS on here, Draper and Adamcik purchased the 4 knives from a pawn shop in August 2006. Draper paid $40 which he had withdrawn from the bank on the way there, Adamcik paid $5. Draper pointed out the four knives they wanted to buy and made a point of claiming ownership of the serrated knife. The knives DID NOT belong to Adamcik.

[@keondracrump4275]

Brian should have some freedom he’s remorseful!!!

[@jimmymcgill23]

​@@annanowak19885that couldn't possibly be any less relevant

[@davehoward22]

How would stabbing a girl to death impress people..

[@joydivision2079]

Ikr? He is a pathological liar

[@dimples213]

It’s bc he got into the columbine shootings and they’re super romanticized. They still have so many girls on insta I don’t think that will ever go away . The columbine shooters were bullied and didn’t fit in , Brian related to them so it makes sense

[@heckatomb]

The aim was to make himself famous with an original massacre because he didn't want to be like the others.

[@Navvs15]

@@dimples213 good people don't kill people and I was bullied in high school.

[@MsVamPireChic]

He must be lying because that explanation makes zero sense. How would stabbing someone make him popular? Who wants to be friends with a murderer? He’s either an idiot or a straight up liar.

[@calebnkara8464]

Sweetie he hasn’t accepted responsibility. He just said he was young and made excuses. “Stupid Crime” are you kidding me?! If you listen really listen he is in sorrow for his future. He should say I stabbed an innocent person to death and is on video praising it. That’s him and it’s great that he’s locked away. If he murdered your daughter because he needed a thrill you’d not be saying “it’s not fair” Shame on you! Nobody talked to me so I murder people?! It’s a lot of excuses even after all these years. I’m happy he is locked away. Him and his loser buddy

[@mariastefanie5835]

So what would “accepting responsibility “ mean to you . These are facts , he was young, he made mistakes. Killing someone clearly is a mistake. Should he torture himself daily for it? How? People act and then learn and grow or stay stuck. He’s not stuck anymore as a “killer” it seems and that’s all he can do.

[@Edithwirtz-bu5yu]

I dont know why he didn’t get the dealth penalty this is a horrible horrible case, unforgivable

[@pennyadrian7774]

The only thing that makes someone a bad person is that they do bad things. You are what you do. Always. And what you are doing is whitewashing the crime of a cold blooded psychopath. what does that make you?

[@Lasse3]

So basically what is missing from his understanding, the lesson he has yet to learn.. He is not in prison now in order to learn a lesson that will somehow grant him his freedom back. He is in there as punishment for his crime. He took the life of Cassie in cold blood, premeditatedly, with full intention, planned it for days literally. he took something that didn't belong to him, something that was not his to take. And he now have to pay for his crime, with something of equivalent value to that which he stole, namely a life. That's how the penalty system works, and the reason why he got a life sentence without the possibility of parole. Him regretting his actions now doesn't matter one bit. Cassie will not come back, Cassie's family will never have peace, and Brian is only done paying for his crime the day he dies in prison, and only then. Just as Cassie bled to death on the floor with 29 stabs wounds in a dark house, with two psychopaths laughing and cheering as her life slowly left her body and her screams turned to silence. Justice must be served for Cassie, a debt must be payed, and the payment has to be of equivalent value. And this is not an eye for an eye at all. For that to be the case he would have had to be sentenced to death by stabbing, which is a horrifically terrible slow death. Luckily for Brian the court of law is much more humane than he himself was.

[@dimples213]

Prison is for rehabilitation and to serve your punishment

[@dimples213]

He’s atleast remorseful we do not have to keep treating him like a monster he is still human while torey got his parents to make petitions for his “innocence” imagine how much that hurts Cassie’s family he’s still in denial

[@Lasse3]

@@dimples213 i agree that he shouldn't be treated inhumanely. We are civilized people, that is what separates us from psychopathic murderers after all.

[@dimples213]

Also I love the way u write ✍🏻 are you a writer ??

[@Lasse3]

@@dimples213haha you're too kind 🙈 very far from a writer, actually a health-care worker 🤭

[@Phuckhead]

The fact that you think he should be able to be free and he understands that he is and deserves to be locked up for what he has done for the rest of his life says a lot.. you want him to be released because you have this friendship with him and not because he should locked up but it seems as though you just want to bypass the entire situation by explaining it away and saying that he was a kid and should be released for that reason.

[@stephanwnuk9398]

Brian sounds so happy

[@tiborosz1825]

Just an advice, before giving such explanation of your empathy, start from the point ov view if' 'this guy killed my sister or daughter' 'then you can talk. Otherwise its empty babbling.

[@uploadinstuff]

If this was genuine he wouldnt be doing an interview about it. Hed be doing good and wouldnt be doing an interview talking about how he hangs with his parents every second week. Hes seeking what he sought as a child, this time by being "the reformed killer"

[@MsRotorwings]

Kinda makes sense, daddy’s been in prison. Reaching out to psychopaths is a way for you to make sense of it all.

[@annanowak19885]

15:17 About to say "I've been on tv" until he realises how bad that sounds and self censors himself accompanied by the nervous stutter.

[@fartman1510]

It's not who you are until you do it

[@Navvs15]

How about not kill people? That's not being a “hater”. Her two siblings, they're the people I feel sorry for.

[@tiffany171720052005]

Maybe let him be free in exchange for the same thing happening to you?

[@deelak2329]

Ahhh, yeah, doing what they did makes them the epitome of a bad (sick, twisted, evil, disgusting) person. What if it was your daughter?

[@user-us5pv8zw3z]

You don’t know what you’re talking about. You befriended a killer. That’s really impressive. Duh?

[@conqueror571]

The fact your trying humanize a person who hid in the basement of a friends house and scared her on purpose before they brutally murdered makes you just as bad as them. It’s easy for y’all to like murders because y’all ain’t had y’all people murdered. My 17 year old brother was murdered when I was 15 shot 6 times for nothing through the heart head eye chest are. Believe it or not he didn’t die instantly he opened the door and asked for help first. Before a friend came over and said Brandon stay up. He tried but he knew he was dying he shock his head before his eyes rolled back. He wa just going out to have a good time. He was in the car driving his cousin home and the guy wanted to kill his cousin. My brother didn’t do anything nothing. The guy killed them both. As brutal as that crime was and as fucked up as it was it wasn’t nearly as bad as this. I’ve lost more friends to gun violence than I can remember and not one of them was a cruel as this crime. Some of them them were flashes of anger and they all deserve to die for them crimes idk idk idk. You take a life your deserves to be taken. Again this is worse. They thought it out for months then after they laughed about it. This guy said it made his duck hard thinking about it. I was 15 16 17 and my mom was an alcoholic my brother had got murdered I never had a dad I didn’t know where my next meal was coming from some nights and yet I never once wanted to kill innocent people. I wanted to do something to the guy who killed my brother I knew if I did I’d spent the the rest of my life in prison to. Age isn’t an excuse your a idiot. I hope one day you get one these animals in your presence and get to feel what their victims felt the terror the pain the fear the why the what not knowing what’s on the other side while your in your final moments. But before you do I hope you get to feel the pain my mother felt of having her kid of having her kid murdered only seconds after talking to him on the phone saying he’s heading home. I hope you get to feel what it’s like losing a brother the only one who understands you the only one you can talk to in the family the one that speaks for you when your scared to speak the one who fights for you when your scared to fight the one you lifts you up and tells you it’s going be ok. I hope you burn in hell with him you piece of 💩

[@StarfayeArt]

I’m sorry you experienced that but humanizing people is okay and you’re projecting your pain onto people who don’t deserve it. Would you berate the correctional counselor who helps prisoners too? Some people believe prison is for rehabilitation even if someone is in for life because we are all human and conversations like this help us understand the mindset someone was in and how they may have changed over time. It’s valuable stuff for sociologists and psychologists and social scientists. I’m saddened about your brother, and I hope you find peace 💜

[@StarfayeArt]

Also, I commend you for keeping it together and not murdering anyone. I had an emotionally abusive household and it’s hard to think about the future at all when the present is all coming down on us in our youth.

[@conservativefascist1897]

I love to see these kind of POS' faces,the night when it's their turns or their families'...

[@user-of5pg9bv7b]

If this guy ever gets released from prison it would be a huge fail of the justice system

[@keondracrump4275]

The justice system fails all the time though!

[@user-of5pg9bv7b]

@@keondracrump4275 that's true but they had no chance in this case

[@Jerry-zn1iz]

@@user-of5pg9bv7b yeah bots recorded everything

[@flowerbedproductions834]

Sounds like he has a great life. It doesn't really send a great message to kids out there who want to do the same. "Hey, you know, kill someone, hopefully not get caught but if I do, I can just study, become a better person, educate myself, work out, have a relationship, play music, teach piano, get access to entertainment... no stress, no worries, lifelong security, LIVING THE DREAM! Meanwhile there's a beautiful girl who was denied a life because of him. Violent, cruel and bloodthirsty....and keen to kill more according to the video he made. That should never be forgotten.

[@StarfayeArt]

Nobody’s forgetting Cassie. But what do you expect? There is no cruel and unusual punishments and being 16 is different from being in your 30s. If anybody should be working on themselves and be given the resources to do so and make the most of the situation they created for themselves, they’re entitled to it. He disclosed in the documentary about minors serving life sentences that he self harmed out of guilt for a while until he realized he could possibly do something better with the bed he made for himself. What do you expect? People will go mad if they don’t look forward when their past is so morbid

[@mmay6621]

He’s welcome. Tax dollars well spent for him I guess. People get angry because you are supposed to lose your rights when you commit a crime.

[@savinabees9220]

great life??? did ya miss the part where hes locked up 24 7 , tormented by thoughts of what he's done and permanently smelling shit?? don't know what kind of kids you have but i think mine will be choosing other....

[@uhhidk8253]

​@@mmay6621 Tbf the net amount of money isn't wasted since prisoners are made to work and are profitable. But yeah his court case would have wasted tax money. Am I incorrect about this?

[@Adizero2]

20:43 WHAT !! Okay that's crazy.. this is about murder ma'am..

[@KassidyGinn]

She’s insane

[@Itiswhatitisthepod]

Hahaha I just might be.

[@Navvs15]

@@Itiswhatitisthepod I hope no one in your family does or is murdered. Haha

[@rubykgarrett]

“i don’t believe in judging people based on one thing” and the one thing is PREMEDITATED MURDER 💀💀💀 yeah she’s insensitive asf

[@Javon1689]

​@@Itiswhatitisthepodyou be one of those people who's in love with a violent murder smh please seek help

[@kismutt1]

He wasn’t a kid!!! He was 16 years old…..old enough to know better!! At 16 or ever in my life did I think about brutally murdering someone. He is a psycho.

[@albania329]

At the same time a 16 year old brain isn’t fully developed he is still a kid. He wasn’t an adult yeah he knew better but at the same time he was still a kid. Hence why his parents had to be there during the interrogations.

[@MalonsMilk]

Yeah 16 is still pretty young especially when you’re an immature person. Brian was incredibly immature and totally invested in being the rebel murderer. Would he have done it again if he hadn’t been caught? Who knows but I’m glad the police stopped him quickly enough to put the brakes on the whole thing.

[@WhoCares1307]

Is she still alive ? Or did he kill her through the phone ?

[@MsRotorwings]

Please stop with “like”. You’re as bad as Chris Watts with the likes.

[@skybluerob1]

It angers me that he has a TV, goes to the gym, has access to books and computers, has access and time to play music, 3 square meals a day, recreation time, it doesn't sound like enough of a punishment for what he did. Prisons are so soft these days, he should be in a living hell for slaughtering Cassie Stoddart in cold blood.

[@dimples213]

I mean he’s gonna have life in prison I think that’s bad enough you act like there’s no fights in prisons ? And he was in complete isolation for a long time that would drive anyone insane and depressed.

[@dimples213]

You would hate German prisons it’s all about rehabilitation and to better themselves not really abt punishment

[@maximilianraley2457]

Well, Brian goes through a living hell in his own head everyday, so he is in hell. He has cuts all over from trying to kill himself. Brian made a mistake. A huge one. And he knows that. And he regrets it. But he is not a piece of shit.

[@skybluerob1]

@Maximilian Raley Yes, he is a piece of shit. He's a murderer. Never forget that. He's only sorry that he got caught.

[@annanowak19885]

@@maximilianraley2457 Draper has SUPERFICIAL cuts on himself, one of which is a symbol on his arm identical to the one Dylan Klebold cut into himself... If he actually wanted to kill himself and obviously has means to cut himself, he could easily have done it by now. Israel Keyes managed it on 24 hour a day suicide watch. You're just trying to get sympathy for the devil.

[@metallica2500]

What do you mean it would be different if it was multiple offenses, these little brats planned it out for quite some time and if you listen to the tape that they made while they’re in school it just shows that this wasn’t some little Oopsie in the heat of the moment

[@KassidyGinn]

They were laughing about killing her in the video. There should be no remorse from anyone.

[@juliogarcia9738]

don't act like you didn't do stupid things when you were 16

[@KassidyGinn]

@@juliogarcia9738 killing someone isn’t the same as rolling a yard with toilet paper Julio.

[@WatchGeek8167]

Does anyone anyone ever wonder what the chances are that 2 psychopaths would come together at the same place and time? Psychopaths are rare to begin with. You would think if your friend talked about killing people in a serious way, alarm bells would be ringing, and you go tell someone. What are the chances your friend talks about killing somebody, and you’re like “Oh yeah man. Absolutely, me too. I know exactly what you mean.” Like what are the odds of that???

[@macysondheim]

No

[@awkwardautistic]

Who said they're psychopaths?

[@WatchGeek8167]

@@awkwardautistic Why wouldn’t they be? They stabbed somebody to death, then talked about doing a school shooting. Talked about how they wanted to go on a spree, and jack their kills up as much as possible. They stalked multiple girls, and killed one. Total disregard for human life. What more could they have done in order to be labeled psychopath? It’s a genuine question, not try to be facetious. Just am curious.

[@teresanoel4035]

That shits more common than bipolar

[@Edithwirtz-bu5yu]

I don’t think it’s rare, like minds, attract like minds and then there is of course what you’re probably already aware of called groupthink or you could look up the Harvard experiment when students dressed up as guards and what they ended up doing to the inmates. Of course, this example is not to sympathize. With the killers acts of violence & Murder!

[@teresanoel4035]

Ask him why he seems to think Casey doesn’t deserve to be called by her name…. It’s her , she or the victim. I haven’t once heard him call her by her name.

[@matt2522]

You’re likely overthinking it. It’s fun to think that there’s a juicy reason for every little thing people do, but we tend to choose terms/phrases arbitrarily and then stick with them. And if Brian _is_ consciously referring to Cassie as “my victim,” that seems like a way of _taking_ accountability, not avoiding it (or whatever you’re implying). Torey probably calls her “Cassie” instead, because, the way he sees it, she’s not actually _his_ victim; she’s BRIAN’S victim.

[@thethrowawaythatstayed7055]

You calling a life sentence unfair after what he did is insulting.

[@respectearned5384]

IMHO…this sounds like a fan interviewing someone..next he may want to move past it, however the multitude of ppl that lives forever changed cannot. Next..

[@philjames6206]

One sick puppy though his pal is even worse.

[@KassidyGinn]

You’re one of those people that was in love with Ted Bundy.

[@flaviadrago1172]

a case of hybristophilia, rightttt? haha

[@dewwwd3431]

There is a real thing behind why women fall in love with killers. It’s an instinctual thing, because back in the day you were more likely to survive if you had a man who was capable of killing. It sounds weird but there was an entire study on this

[@robinmanhollan3986]

Can you please ask Brian if you are still talking questions if he had anything to do with a missing guy? Or anything to do with a woman that lived on a remote hwy before this case happened? Thanks.

[@dimples213]

Woah never heard of that care for explain ??

[@robinmanhollan3986]

@@dimples213 well I read about some serious crime around that time and how the people had died in the same way Cassie had. And how Brian acted like he already had done such a thing before. And the fact that he says like 2 different things that sparked a memory of what I read about other crimes around that time. Makes me do some serious pondering that maybe he had already committed such crime before Sept of 2006. It it not far fetched. Ask him.

[@dimples213]

@@robinmanhollan3986ask him ? As in Brian ?? And thanks for info I’ll try to find out more about it. Really hard to find more stuff about that:(

[@WatchGeek8167]

It is not unfair that he is in jail for life. It is very much fair. Him being in prison until he dies, is justice. I do believe he seems somewhat reformed and normal now compared to when he was 16. He is a completely different person even. But I never view prison or jail as being about reform. It’s not about that. It’s about justice. An eye for an eye if you will. The Stoddart family lost a teenager, the Draper family should loose one as well. If you look at how the justice system was formed back in like the Wild West times, families would take justice into their own hands. One person’s brother would get killed. Then the other family would kill in retaliation. Then another retaliation would occur, and back and forth it went. The justice system was formed so that a neutral 3rd party would come in and settle the feud, and put a stop to it all. The only way that can happen, is if the killers were brought to justice. On both sides. Killers were either hanged, or sentenced to life in prison. Something that the opposing family would be satisfied with. That way the retaliations would end, and the feud stops. In this case though, the Stoddard family did nothing wrong. They are totally innocent. For the sake of the Stoddard family, he should never leave prison. Imagine if it was your brother or sister that got killed. It doesn’t matter that he was a senseless teenager. Justice is justice. I would not be entirely opposed to the death sentence in this case. Not because I believe Draper is some awful disgusting monster. He is a regular human being. Just like you, just like me. But again, justice is justice. He should never be allowed to move on from this. Just like the Leslie Van Houten case in the Manson murders. I do not believe she should be released. Is she still a danger to society after all these years? Most likely not. Is she genuinely reformed? Probably. Possibly. Again, it isn’t about that. It’s about justice for their victims. And more importantly, the victim’s family. He should never be allowed to leave prison.

[@joannewright4572]

He only did it once because they were caught before they could commit the other murders that they planned. You sound crazy!

[@ShadrakJohn]

I just watched this 'Dateline - The Last Day S01E06' and during his talk he now regrets what he had done. But even so it doesn't change anything because it won't bring Cassie back. And he has to be responsible for that.

[@TheElCobarde]

OP is BIG sketchy. I don't even mind that you're talking to this monster, but everyone has a pass to hate the guy. I don't care about "remorse" or anything like that. None of that matters when an innocent girl died.

[@klausfiedler64]

Cold blooded thrill murder as a vehicle for personal growth and self discovery. Revolting for some but obviously a legitimate life choice for this interviewer. How about interviewing his victim? Oh yeah, she's not available. There is a solution to the impossible position of trying to salvage meaning in one's life after such a colossal transgression, it's called the death penalty.

[@somethingsomeone8794]

What season and episode of cold justice was it?

[@ShadrakJohn]

Even if Brian is a different person now, that doesn't change for what he and Torrey had done. Because it won't bring Cassie Jo Stoddart (who Brian and Torrey had murdered cold bloodedly) back. And they need to be responsible for that. And besides Cassie's family can never forgive Brian or Torrey.

[@matt2522]

It's not too late for him to help stop other teens from falling down the same rabbit hole he did

[@ShadrakJohn]

@@matt2522 how can he do that while in jail?

[@matt2522]

@@ShadrakJohn Not all prisoners are isolated from the outside world like they’re on death row. Prisoners learn trades, go to school, become teachers, work careers, volunteer locally, participate in social programs, build relationships with people on the outside, etc. Prisoners like Brian who want to do good can talk to journalists, participate in documentaries, write books, participate in prison-sponsored criminal diversion programs for troubled youths (giving speeches to high schoolers and whatnot), mentor young prisoners before they’re released, and so on. There’s a whole societal apparatus built around this kind of thing; sometimes it’s even court-ordered. Lots of prisoners throw themselves into this mission. Brian even mentions in this interview how he reaches out to kids. Please don’t disparage the value of this sort of thing.

[@shaneukj]

Far far too much emphasis on himself and his understanding from both him and the rose tinted interviewer and little acknowledgement on the devastation and fact a life has been so mindlessly ended. Watch him marry the interviewer

[@TT_09]

20:42 He was a kid? He was a kid? Cassie Jo Stoddard was a kid. Forever 16. His parents can call him whenever they want! True remorse is not being focused on being released.

[@user-of5pg9bv7b]

In their own words "we all have to make sacrifices." If they only knew how true that statement was.

[@camifarley3404]

were Brian & Torey both raised in the Mormon church?

[@mikenelson8312]

well i was looking on the net to see if you and torey had been killed yet, im honestly surprised your still alive, from one psychopath to another Brian, the only way to honor Cassie's memory is to take from yourself what you took from her, piano lessons or what ever excuse you use to help yourself heal from the reality of prison life is in no way an honor to Cassie, when i was 16 i knew i was different from others and after 10 years in prison and many doctors later im on medication for my illness,

[@thetreekeeper143]

If the authorities ever lets him loose, just dont let him around your daughter. He's a monster.

[@r.p.vanloon6403]

You are his sister, aren't you. You must be, because you show the same symptoms. I am dying to know when you celebrate your first victim.

[@soulfireonfire6423]

She passed away Jan 2024

[@mortezaaryaan5911]

EVIL that men can do

[@lyyylaaa1678]

Some questions for Brian: Does he still watch horror movies (Scream in particular) or is he even allowed to? Is he still in contact with Torey? What is their relationship like right now? Does he resent him/regret being friends with him? How do the other inmates treat/regard him knowing of his horrible crime? Ask him if Cassie was aware it was them killing her as well. Did they take their masks off?

[@keondracrump4275]

Watch the documentary “lifers” him and Tory don’t speak at all. They walk past each other. We still don’t know who did the stabbing. Both boys have two different versions. Tory is stilllll in denial. Brian had accepted what he did. And he said he deserves the consequences. Watch the documentary.

[@user-lf4cy1ue3v]

Write him why ask the internet where he won't see

[@dylannmarie]

Thank you for having the idea to interview Brian and sharing it with us. I am grateful I stumbled upon it. I’ve been thinking about this case in and out since I heard about it the other day and was thinking heavily about the personality it takes to do something like that. This just came me a new perspective on things and people. It sounds like he went heavy into a 12 step program.

[@metallica2500]

The only steps he should be taking are right into the electric chair

[@MG-cd9ek]

Prone to violence and murder has NOTHING to do with a 12 step program, many people in the program never hurt a fly, feckless. You insult the intellectual principle of anyone who has by making such a stupid post. They were prone to violence. Born that way or got it from the putrid DNA and or genetics. Most people don't kill except for those prone to kill. Enjoying slaughtering someone doesn't just go away because you get older either. Another lie! The interviewer is using him probably the way she uses everyone else, to become a KZbin star. This is what happens when you're unemployed and have psychopath tendencies. I can see why she likes him. She probably has her own criminal jacket or not caught yet doin horrific shit. Same with you. You people require removal from society. You're not like other people. And the prison system is for punishment, not rehabilitation. Wish this video would blow up so we could absolutely find out who she is and people like you are in real life, not some user name. You need to be known so civilized society is free from your thought process and eventual actions. Same as this murdering monster.

[@metallica2500]

Zero pushback

[@teresanoel4035]

Ask what his struggles were when he was a kid?????

[@agreeable-youth]

You keep saying "it is what it is" but really, what is it?

[@calebnkara8464]

He didn’t know he was on A&E? He was obviously interviewed for a reason?! He wants to move on?! I have forgiven the guy through faith but he obviously isn’t done lying. Would like to move on? No sir you don’t get to do that you have to use your experience to help others in prison while owning your horrific crime. Appreciate her life and let yourself be a sacrifice. You lost your right to happiness when you stole an innocent life. Stop with the excuses

[@teresanoel4035]

She has a name …… and just like him, I haven’t heard him say her name.

[@ericrushton778]

Here’s a breakdown of this video. The interviewer flirts with Brian Draper and barely touches the surface of his character, while empathizing with his monstrous actions and calling his punishment “unfair”. She then calls him “awesome” and asks him to keep in contact with her because she really enjoys talking to him. Going in, she only knew of his crime and nothing more about him. Coming out, she never grilled him at all and makes a fucking murderer look better than her. Don’t watch this unless you like watching car fires or you lack a soul.

[@soulfireonfire6423]

She passed away Jan 2024, she was 33!

[@bridgeforthesheep]

​@@soulfireonfire6423That's incredibly sad.. do you have any idea how she passed?

[@soulfireonfire6423]

@@bridgeforthesheep Cancer! She was so young !!

[@richporter3680]

I do believe that horrible things can happen and one mistake or bad decision should not necessarily define a persons life or who they are. Desperation, addiction, jealously. Many things can change a persons trajectory in life. This is not that. Imagine Jeffery Dahmer getting caught after his first kill. Would that be Oh this was a one time crime. No he would still have a bloodlust in him. Catching someone like these two early does not change who they are. It simply stops them from what they want to do from a primal need. You do the victim such an injustice with this take. But even the scummiest of humans have a fan club.

[@doragurinova1452]

Torey was brainwashed by his parents, that he was " The guilty innocent" ( The book, written later by his mom), but they both wanted and they both committed that awful crime. They destroyed their families and Cassie's family. The show "Lost for Life" was made only 5 years after the murder, so no one knows, how would Torey be answering now, 11 years later. Brian was the one who stabbed Cassie, Brian bragged about that in their self made video and Brian was the one, who turned against Torey first by lying-in his whole confession. 90 % of the people with life sentences regret their actions after spending years/decades in jail , but unfortunately it's too late. To sum it up : They were both guilty and they both deserve to be exactly where they are now!

[@BrabbitHabit]

Their brains weren’t fully formed at the time of the crime. If society wants to kill them to even the score, that’s one thing, but if we’re keeping them alive, there’s no reason not to review their statuses after 25, 30, or even 45 years. Just bc parole is an option doesn’t mean they’ll get it. Torey and his parents haven’t learned a single thing to this day, but Brian seems completely transformed. Probably bc his brain is fully formed. Even with a fully formed brain, I agree with you that Torey has been brainwashed by his parents who are incapable of accepting what their son did. If Brian’s a low risk for reoffending and can contribute positively to society, I’d rather not have my tax dollars wasted on him. Prisons are overcrowded enough. There are people who have killed multiple times when they were older than 25, as well as sexually assaulted their victims, who haven’t even gotten LWOP. If anyone should, it’s people like them. This case is a tragedy for Cassie, Brian, and Torey, and all 3 families. Of course Cassie and her family were the true victims but Brian and Torey were immature idiot kids that ruined their lives and took hers bc they had no concept of how permanent their actions would be. I get it, you’d think they’d be old enough to understand the gravity of what they did, but the part of the brain that controls impulse and the ability to predict the long term consequences of their actions is what forms last. But I’m assuming you know that, Dr. Dora. “The last part of the brain to fully develop is the prefrontal cortex. The brain finishes developing and maturing in the mid-to-late 20s. The part of the brain behind the forehead, called the prefrontal cortex, is one of the last parts to mature. This area is responsible for skills like planning, prioritizing, and making good decisions.” Yeah welp, we know those weren’t their strong suits. Btw, 2 different kinds of knives were used on Cassie, Torey stabbed her too. Brian may have believed he doled out the final blow, but Torey wasn’t just an innocent bystander. He orchestrated the whole thing. The whole “Scream-inspired murder” was his idea.

[@dewwwd3431]

You realize they were 16 when this did this right? Not saying it isn’t fucked up because it is I never in my life thought about doing anything even remotely close to this. But to think you know it all is actually insane to think. Of course at 16 scared of what will happen to him he threw Torey under the bus and Torey also stabbed her as well she was stabbed 29 times by both of them. If you’ve seen the other videos he’s the only one to take accountability and confess to what really happened Torey tries to act like he did nothing and was just a witness.

[@dimples213]

@@BrabbitHabityou’re so right ! Like there’s so many 18/19 year old girls who have been throwing away their babies after not wanting them. Like you would think they would know better but they don’t think about the consequences or the gravity of their actions. Brian was bullied for his stuttering and im pretty sure torey was bullied too he wasn’t so normal in the tapes. Still doesn’t mean what they did was okay but they’re behind bars forever. I think Brian should be let out if he seems fit for society and not a danger. Would be a waste of a life.

[@Navvs15]

@@dewwwd3431 when I was 16, I never slaughtered an innocent person. She had dreams and goals, Cassie (nor anyone minding their own business) should be robbed of their life.

[@tulip-hs3qn]

Admired for taking responsibility for his actions? He lied and said he was at a movie. When he was caught out on those lies, he said he burgalised cars. When he was caught out on that lie he blamed it all on his best mate. He can hardly not 'take responsibility' given hes on tape excitedly saying how it felt murdering Cassie! When asked what hes learned, he talks of wishy washy stuff like 'being stupid' and how he wasnt confident and wanted to fit in. Lots of kids feel that way. They dont end up enjoying stabbing their classmate to death though. He makes no mention of his actions and his desire to do it as being immoral, evil, sick and so wrong. Calling it 'stupid' and putting it all down to wanting to fit in at school doesnt look like taking accountability and responsibility to me.

[@scotthalverson6113]

What's the lesson to be learned??? DONT KILL PEOPLE.

[@skepticsanalysis528]

Whats scary is that he seems like likeable guy, I have to remind myself of the horror him and his friend committed. Rest in Peace Cassie

[@jamesage24]

I agree. If he never met Torey or stuck with soccer or the drums, he probably would've gone down a completely different path.

[@matt2522]

“An angry depressive and a sadistic psychopath make a combustible pair.“

[@sr51463]

He is a psychopath, no different than the Columbine killers only he got caught before he could kill more.

[@mercedesblue9618]

Say WHHHATTT?!? Your friend? 😬

[@sensemusicofficial]

why did you kill cassie ? and why did you think it was ok to lie about it ? (If you have any questions for him please leave them in the comments)

[@dimples213]

He said why in the video. Multiple reasons, he wanted to be noticed and to be talked about and got inspiration from the columbine shooters. Im so glad torey wasn’t into that or else they probably would have teamed up and purchased guns to shoot up the school. Still tho rip cassie

[@heckatomb]

The aim was to become as famous as the Columbine killers

[@Navvs15]

@@heckatomb Well, the Columbine killers were losers just like them so that’s something they have in common. Cassie had so many goals and it’s a shame and sad how she died in comparison to how she lived.

[@RaveQueen_plur]

I dont like hearing the interviewer nose sounds ..its annoying. Ugh this interview is just so sad. Cassie desth was pure evil. I hope her family has found some peace in all this❤

[@rebeccaoneill9363]

I don't understand how we can declare sentencing a juvenile to life without parole unconstitutional, but leave a loophole that we can charge juveniles as adults. That being said, I do agree with one of the commenters who said the only reason they stopped is because they got caught. I think they both would have kept going and he would have never made the change that he has apparently made. In that sense, Cassie saved his life. I believe his rehabilitation is genuine but rehabilitation is not the only issue. There is also the issue of punishment which the family deserves to see carried out. Until he's dead? I don't know that that's fair. I don't know anyone who is anything remotely like who they were when they were 16. It's kinda shitty that we all know so much about Brian and Tori but we know NOTHING about Cassie. She should be the one in the spotlight.

[@Edithwirtz-bu5yu]

I am glad he said he is emotionally & physically willing to take responsibility for his actions but I dont know how someone can repay killing anyone not in self defense:-( I Really Hate wat he did, I wouldn’t do that to a cricket if I could help it!!!!!! I can’t fathom following through with killing a friend, is this what Ted Bundy would sound like if he was still alive?

[@craigcuthbert8512]

Can you get an interview with Torey Adamcik?

[@amandazilko-obusek457]

Thank you for this interview. He seems remorseful and ok with being held responsible

[@BulldozerSmithh]

Hey just wanna say thankyou for sharing this ive been fascinated with this case for a long time since theres so much footage out there interrogations documentaries etc and it was a shocking crime that probably would have never happened if brian never got in with torey and vice verser but they kinda fed off each other...both being into horror movies columbine and serial killers just led them down a drak and twisted track, but he seems to have accepted responsibility for what he did and is making the most out of a very bad situation we all do dumb shit as teenagers dont we spured on by peer pressure so im sure it must play on his mind alot, alot of should haves would haves and could haves im sure

[@teresanoel4035]

In another interview he referred to Casey as “my victim” he didn’t have the common courtesy to use her name like she didn’t deserve it …. She’s just another victim!!!!

[@BulldozerSmithh]

@teresanoel4035 probably says victim because saying her name might bring all that messed up past back probably part of his programmes of reform etc obviously not making excuses for what they did because it was a horrible cruel crime but he's paying for it now

[@teresanoel4035]

@@BulldozerSmithh I call bs….. reform is acknowledging the victim and their worth……

[@BulldozerSmithh]

@@teresanoel4035 thats very true fair comment

[@asapas8]

20:32 in some ways is unfair????? IS UNFAIR??? WTF he took away a life my lady, are you nuts???????????

[@black_conservative45]

not sending their best!

[@jenniferd2305]

Thanks for sharing this interview. I'd love to hear more from Brian. He's one of the few people that committed a serious crime and genuinely has remorse and has learned something from his mistake. He's also trying to make the best of his life in prison and that's admirable. I'd like to know exactly what happened that night. Did they both stab Cassie? Does he still talk to Torey? What would he tell his 16 year old self today? Does he believe in God? Afterlife?

[@sebastianchristensen7625]

Yes, they both stabbed her without remorse 30 times.

[@Itiswhatitisthepod]

Crazy I didn't know 3 people were there.

[@evamoss4413]

This question asking about details would've let him uncomfortable af, now about Torey i think that's interesting

[@dimples213]

Yeah super uncomfortable he’s probably not legally allowed to talk in depth about the case on call either

[@annanowak19885]

He sees Adamcik every day, they take the same class together.

[@stephanwnuk9398]

Interview Cassie’s parents get their side

[@WhoCares1307]

Her mother passed

[@robinmanhollan3986]

Ok that was actually really cool! Thank you for sharing this.

[@humanipulationnation]

You can interview him, but this is sick how you treat him and the situation

[@jessdeeES]

Is there a part 2?? 🙏

[@Mehgan90210]

How does someone send Brian books or cards? Do you just send them to the prison with his name and/or inmate number?