The Overhate for Vivziepop (and why she's incomparable to Amazing Digital Circus)

[@Zebra_fandomfella03]

Not to mention Gooseworx worked with Vivziepop on Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss and Gooseworx herself created The Amazing Digital Circus

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

Hmm. Small world

[@hybridvenom9]

Yeah really i don't know

[@malkshayke]

Not to mention that Michael Kovach, the voice of Jack from Digital Circus, used to be the voice of Angel Dust from Hazbin AND Rocky Rickaby from Lackidaisy. He’s also the boyfriend to Ashley Nichols, who used to be a clean up artist for Hazbin and is NOW part of the Lackadaisy animation team!! These ppl were all FRIENDS one way or another. It doesn’t make any sense to compare them!!

[@diy-guyishere7615]

​@@malkshaykeI heard Michael and Nichole aren't 2gether anymore and they stopped doing hunicast livestreams, i FUCKIN' miss them freaking each other out, especially w/ "Oh Ashleyy~"!!😫😔😢

[@Penguinjohn4796]

@@diy-guyishere7615wait when was this

[@austinreed5805]

I’ve been a Vivziepop fan since the Hazbin pilot and I really don’t get why she’s so hated. She isn’t perfect by any means, but she’s done far more good for the indie animation scene than bad. Even if you don’t like Hazbin or Helluva, you have to admit that her works and success contributed a lot to the success of other indie animations. Most fans of Hazbin/Helluva are also fans of shows like Lackadaisy and Amazing Digital Circus. Why compare/contrast them if they’re all good in their own special way?

[@cherrybombwaffles518]

I know. I even got into an argument over Helluva Boss and how people stereotype it as nothing but swears and sex jokes. and how they cling to their own personal theories and headcanons for dear life so they can't even try to see what Viv is trying to do. because of this, every single episode of season 2 has started one angry tizzy after another with details that are just so minor and insignificant. if anyone wants, I will list the unnecessary criticisms with every episode so far.

[@hybridvenom9]

I mean i hate helluva boss but i'm a writer plus a credit so i have the rights to actually do it

[@cherrybombwaffles518]

@@hybridvenom9 every single episode has one thing that everyone blows out of proportion. Season 2 Episode 1: Blitz and Stolas shouldn't have been childhood friends! Season 2 episode 2: why aren't they bringing up Ozzie's? Season 2 episode 3: Chaz is too one-note! Season 2 Episode 4: Striker is ruined! Season 2 Episode 5: Moxxie is ruined! Season 2 Episode 6: Asmodeus and Fizzarolli shouldn't be in a romantic relationship! Season 2 Episode 7: that deaf kid was bad representation!

[@hybridvenom9]

@@cherrybombwaffles518 i literally started with season 2 and everything was really bad

[@hybridvenom9]

@@cherrybombwaffles518 plus dude i also skipped the deaf kids seeing just because it was very long as a video

[@Goobsterwill]

Honestly I’m glad this video exists. Sometimes i feel like i can’t even enjoy or talk about stuff like helluva boss online with out feeling like I’m going start a large argument on discord

[@hybridvenom9]

Plus also the video did lie of overrated or overheaded i don't know it matters of what people have to say about the thing

[@Goobsterwill]

@@hybridvenom9 true

[@troin3925]

I hate it when people try to treat words or names like Voldemort. The same thing happened during the whole "Undertale is cringe" bandwagon phase.

[@hybridvenom9]

@@troin3925 me to

[@rise.-mikey]

The scary part is, people will block or remove you from Discord servers or friend list if they ever find out you like HB and HH. Saw that happen a lot of times and it's honestly just sad. I will still enjoy these shows, it's their loss in the end of the day.

[@Natalie66796]

The hate is just ridiculous and I think a lot of it is people getting on the bandwagon because it's popular

[@zoeylace4778]

People just want to hate her but don't have many valid reasons to

[@blackbonger2963]

That’s the case with every popular thing. People just jump on the hate bandwagon because it’s “cool”.

[@MrSailing101]

hatred via sunk cost fallacy. they HAVE to win and make everyone else hate Vivzi, or acknowledge that they are horrible people.

[@hybridvenom9]

1:38 but there is evidence literally there is a clip of the horn that is even in the thing that you're seeing it is obviously traced but tracing is fine i really don't care about it being drama

[@Ministry.of.Truth0]

​@@zoeylace4778 i wouldn't be suprised if someone would start war on Twitter because in his opinion HH is not gay enough (everything Has fuckin Boundaries)

[@slasher_art6286]

Finally, a person who has the ability to respect others with different beliefs.

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

If only Viv doing the same

[@Coralcomets]

​@@I_Dont_Believe_In_SaladYou need to do the same too

[@-jay-2993]

@@Coralcometsviv needa take this advice first

[@SillyKatty1]

@@-jay-2993advice or not ur a hypocrite, ur commenting in a comment section with viziepop fans saying she needs to learn respect, like bru😭

[@-jay-2993]

@@SillyKatty1 and how exactly does that make me a hypocrite lmaoo what? WHO in this comment section was I disrespectful to besides the person we are talking about who started beef over criticism about her animations?

[@treadingwater86]

Personally, I have never had a problem with the swearing in Helluva Boss and I do kind of feel like people are blowing it out of proportion. I mean, it takes place in hell and all the main characters are demons in some way shape or form. What are you expecting? It makes sense to me that they would swear and have a dark sense of humor most of the time. And it isn't like every single character is cussing in the same way, it just feels that way because Blitzo happens to be an important main character and also happens to be the one who swears the most.

[@zyancuerdo1615]

That's what im thinking you think they would have expected that just from the setting of the show and to an extent and correct me if I'm wrong... The Bible (specifically that part where a good chunk of people in hell are lgbtq one way or another something people think it's a sin) and honestly people can be fuck motherly petty to high degrees I'll admit vizzie ain't a saint but then again neither is everyone else in the world

[@zyancuerdo1615]

And those complaining about so much swear clearly haven't seen high school students at thier peak annoyance they swear every 20 seconds from what I'm experiencing

[@kylewilliams5454]

Even bad or evil people don't curse in every sentence.

[@So_Indecisive]

Also swearing is big part of Brandon Rogers Comedy style

[@MultiSuperguy101]

@@kylewilliams5454cry more

[@Moonlight_Shadow7]

When it comes to the profanity and sexual stuff I think it’s a pretty good amount considering it’s based in literal hell and I know if there was to little people would complain “oh it’s hell why’s it so peaceful like?”

[@BlueBerry20071]

"Overuse of swearing" What? Have you ever been around a highschool? That shit is tame.

[@angelaspecialfox_ro289]

exactly!

[@dannieljustinang7831]

Yup

[@shadesslitz]

Which proves the point that this show appeals to edgy highschoolers LMAO

[@BlueBerry20071]

@@shadesslitz no? The themes are actually pretty mature even if the jokes aren't always on that same level. It is still very much an ADULT show.

[@luigiwiiUU]

​@@BlueBerry20071Yes? only a little kid would find the jokes funny lmao

[@murasakiusagi5124]

Zooble is voiced by Ashley, who works with vizipop via drawing hazbin hotel characters and Jax is voiced by Michael, who also voiced Angel dust

[@Itariatan]

Wait, wasn't there some weird tension between Ashley and Viv? Did that ever get resolved?

[@Randomyoutuber-4831]

@@Itariatan I'm not even sure what's going on there. But based on the information avalible, I feel that Ashley and Viv simply had a creative dispute and drifted apart as a result; a problem that was compounded by Ashley getting hounded by Hazbin Hotel fans for info about the series when she wanted to grow into her own creator and not spend her life living in Viv's shadow. I think it's one of those complex, morally grey situations that doesn't really have a clear right or wrong side.

[@Itariatan]

@@Randomyoutuber-4831 There was something specific about someone who worked with Viv making accusations against her, and Ashley seemed to believe the person, but those have been disproven. I'm saying cause I never knew if they were in good terms after that.

[@hybridvenom9]

6:15 question did this age well or not because i barely saw prime videos hazbin hotel

[@Itariatan]

@@hybridvenom9 ?

[@italex827]

These two show have a lot of fucking swearing, and sex jokes. But it also has heart.

[@jacqueshardin4601]

I remember when people were saying the writing for Lackadaisy was better than the writing for Helluva Boss. My hot take take on that situation is that it was never about the writing. Lackadaisy is a period piece and fits neatly in the historical fiction genre. From what I have observed, there is a tendency to hold movies, books and shows that are informed and inspired by historical events and time periods. Helluva Boss is a raunchy adult comedy which are often looked down on. In short, people just thought a period piece had more literary merit than an adult comedy not because of the writing, but because of differing genre conventions and sensibilities. So then why was it about the writing? Well, it is because a lot of us suck at media analysis and criticism. Not to mention it is easier to just say the writing is inferior than actually reflect on why some stories work for you while others do not.

[@CyberCervine]

to add onto this, the writing is entirely different. Lackadaisy has its fun comedic moments, but it isn't the same genre as HB/HH, or the ADC. It's how people see animation and group shit like Bojack Horseman with Spongebob. Yes, they are both animations, but one is for adults and the other is for kids. The target audiences and genres are completely different.

[@Scarshadow666]

Absolutely true! Sometimes people don't always consider they just have different tastes than someone else. And unfortunately, genre snobbery has been a thing for a long time (like how the Oscars usually dunk on the horror genre, and they show their biases when they dunk on mediums too like with animation).

[@Dr.ShadowShrimp]

yeah.. which sucks because there's way less things like helluva boss, and the soon to be, hazbin hotel out there. i can't think of many adult animations as interesting like helluva and hazbin. the character designs, music, world visuals and stuff... like, i ain't never see a show with so many men in heels that aren't the butt of a joke lol. even the lack of shy or "representation but only for your money" queerness you get from a lot of other shows due to company control. if you've been in any arty oc (fandom ones too, tbh) circles or just been observant of it, you'd know people have been craving that from franchises for some time now. that partly being why i think vivzie was the one to fully kick start all of the attention, support and rise of indie animations, *but* also became the biggest target. people should really just stop comparing and trying to put down indie animators. encouraging their creation will be much better for the future of animation that's being limited and slowly strangled by companies. strangely amazon is starting to look like the best one to get picked up by for a show..

[@frankbauernstein7234]

Helluva Boss's and Hazbin Hotel's writing is still objectively worse though for what each show is trying to be. I'm not even a fan of Lackadaisy, but it does well in what it's trying to be. HH and HB on the other hand just have repetitive and tiresome immature humor as well as hyper inconsistent worldbuilding, hypocritic main characters that change personalities by the episode and just overall the most glaring tone issues I've ever seen in anything ever.

[@hybridvenom9]

7:06 i agree with as a heater for helluva boss i rather just mention like the story stuff instead of just then mention the humor because i don't really care about hahaha swearing jokes

[@dangerbeans9639]

She's on twitter, and she responds to tweets semi-frequently. That is literally the entire reason.

[@mastertofu]

I love Hazbin Hotel more than The Amazing Digital Circus. HH wasn't my style of humour but the gore and music totally were my style. However, both the comedy and horror aspects TADC didn't land with me, so I have no emotional attachments to it other than it being a stellar piece of animation (I cannot deny it's good on a technical level). They're both vastly different shows with little points of comparison beyond "popular indie animation".

[@mcflurryfrostie]

Agreed, I also share this opinion. Despite some criticisms I have about HH, their characters and overall story stood out to me more than the TADC's characters and story, but I do think TADC's animation is incredible, especially for an indie piece.

[@hybridvenom9]

6:22 recently at the plot has been whatever the thing people want to make in that office and also digital circus is that but it takes some leaps that are not actually from that trope so i don't get it what it is getting at

[@paradoxtatorstudios9681]

same, TADC didnt really hook me; the characters and story didn't interest me , but I like HH lol, the characters designs and animation style remind me of what I want to do with my own characters

[@0racle.sunrise3570]

First, people were comparing HH/HB to Lackadaisy, and now TADC? NGL, as a fan of indie animation this is disheartening to witness 😢

[@dontyoudaresubscribeme9698]

Right, they all have different perspectives and good in their own ways. Let’s just be grateful what we have right now and enjoy the shows that today’s cartoons from the TV nowadays aren’t that good or relevant anymore.

[@Bolololololo40]

I gonna be honest, I like TADC but the whole plot and concept of HH, or even HB, is far more creative. Viv deserves her flowers because she opened doors with the HH pilot. Period! I just want her to get out of twitter for a while and that's it. EDIT: Even though nobody said anything, I kinda feel that my comment sounds like as if I disliked TADC because of it's troupe but I don't think so! The series is inspired by the troupe's main source material and has a very unique aesthetic. The real magic of the show is there and the characters themselves. That's why I still like TADC even though I think that HH is actually more creative.

[@koopa_industries]

And P.S the plot for digital circus isn’t original, as the whole “oh noes I’m trapped in a vr world1!1!1!1” has already been done by the matrix, Needlemouse, and don’t hug me I’m scared

[@Yami-mugoni613]

@@koopa_industriesto be fair ADC is based of the og of this troupe

[@koopa_industries]

The show’s not that good tbh, someone on discord ruined it for me

[@neoe5970]

honestly, I didnt get the joke of "digital circus if it was written by vivzie pop" cuz I feel like if vivzie was writing a show for more age audiances in a world that wasnt the lieral hell she could have totally write something still decent, i do wonder if the reason why tadc and helluva boss are so different, it is as if they are two completly different worlds and two completly different settings

[@luigiwiiUU]

Honestly both shows pilots have bad jokes with or without the swears lol

[@GhYou-e8o]

​@@luigiwiiUUspot the hater

[@luigiwiiUU]

@@GhYou-e8o its true 🤷‍♂️

[@drewo.127]

I don’t know if this is based or not, but my honest opinion here is that Hazbin and Helluva Boss are just not for me personally, but that doesn’t mean I dislike Vivzie or anything related to the show! I LOVE that the series helped kickstart (or revive) the next generation of indie animation, and I’m super proud of her and her team for shattering expectations! Just because I don’t personally like Hazbin or Boss, doesn’t mean I’m against them in any way! They’re just not for me.

[@paradoxtatorstudios9681]

we need more people like you lol, who don't get mad at people for not sharing the same opinion as them 💀

[@nyx_nycto]

You make some good points, I honestly do agree with this video, but I have a little rebuttal. Some of the "hate" (Well, in this context, more-so complaints) Viv gets is also how her stories have inconsistencies, bad writing at times, and how some of her stuff isn't historically accurate or fitting for her characters, so I just want you to know that not all of us just make fun of her and some of us do give actual criticism, but she still gets annoyed at that and has even apparently blocked people who simply make redesigns of her characters. But nonetheless, you still touched on the main topics, so nice video👍

[@hybridvenom9]

8:57 that is literally what people wanna do with their lives just let them do what they wanna do

[@Huppa3333]

You seem to be missing a lot of context to her decisions. Constructive criticism on sites like Twitter are often drowned out or interlaced with non-constructive criticisms, which is why it is absolutely frustrating to screen through and obtain anything constructive. Furthermore, constructive feedback tend to be subjective, and the success of HH/HB depend on following the creator's personal vision of the show. Not to mention, the script writing was already done and finalized years before they even start animating, so any changes to the script based on constructive feedback will affect the next season. One major "criticism" of the show includes the art style of animation, and the belief that the HB/HH character designs need to be redesigned to simpler designs to animate better. Not only is that a purely subjective opinion (since the shows are still being produced with quality on schedule despite the supposed complexity), people had previously used her complex designs to mock her management of her shows, and even use this to create allegations of mistreating her staff by forcing them to work harder with such "hard to animate" designs. A recent example was with the reveal of Beelzebub, most redesigns of the character were made to mock Viv's design choice of making Gluttony about the excessive party scene, and to claim they could do better.

[@hybridvenom9]

@@Huppa3333 stop giving me entire essay about like some contacts

[@Huppa3333]

@@hybridvenom9 Lmao, I just saw your other comments, you are just a mindless hater.

[@enderwalkgang]

​@@Huppa3333 Actually it's confirmed a lot of stuff hasn't been finished writing wise. Additionally there is LOADS of legit criticism she blantently ignores because she perceived it as hate even if genuine advice on how to improve as given a long side it.

[@GReenStUdIOsz]

I think the extreme use of swear words speaks more to someone as a person i dont have any problems with it but i swear alot aswell

[@icyatlasartworks]

Damn, I haven't seen much from Vivziepop since her old Die Young animation back in the 2010s, but I really don't get why she's getting lambasted this hard for things in the past, when she's clearly learned. I also don't think it's a problem that she has swearing in her show (to an extent, it does get kind of excessive some places). Also, I respectfully disagree with your take about Pomni being a simple character, because the way you described her could easily be used on someone like Charlie from Hazbin Hotel. The generic "Everyone can be good if they try!" All-Loving Hero/Wide Eyed Idealist trope applies to her and looking at the pilot, not much else stands out, but there's clearly going to be more to both Charlie and Pomni's characters than we see in their pilots, so it's a little unfair to oversimplify them from their first appearance.

[@joshuagonzalez4183]

👍🏻

[@inserthahafunniusername9656]

For me, two things can be true at once- pomni and charlie were both pretty uninteresting. Theyre both pretty bland and generic to me but its cool if you like em both or one over the other lol

[@icyatlasartworks]

@@inserthahafunniusername9656 We're not really disagreeing here, that's pretty much what I said, worded a bit differently.

[@inserthahafunniusername9656]

@@icyatlasartworks oh lol sorry I misread it slightly- thought you were saying you preferred pomni over charlie my bad lmao

[@icyatlasartworks]

@@inserthahafunniusername9656 it's all good, I'm just glad it came to a respectful conclusion.

[@jazzymare]

No way- I didn’t know Vivienne was Salvadoran-American like me 😳 Such an inspiration. Guess creativity runs in our blood 💪

[@Flameonoodle]

I've never really been able to get into Hazbin Hotel or Helluva Boss. But I can totally understand and respect all the love and fans they've received. Amazing Digital Circus grabbed me from just the pilot, characters, soundtrack, and visuals. It's already my favorite indie animation series! That absolutely does not mean other series are objectively bad or worse. It just means that TADC was more for me and my personal preferences.

[@jyjaeskz]

This is a weirdly reasonable take to see on the internet. Also I agree, TADC is really good already even tho it's just the pilot for now. (Tho I think helluva/hazbin are still more my style.)

[@hybridvenom9]

7:23 this is going to age poorly because animation grows over time again i don't know where he is getting at

[@moonshelter3448]

Well... Vivienne surely did a lot of certain... stuff. And I was really judgmental towards her and her shows because I was honestly guided by a common morality statements till that one day when I suddenly realized that I can tell same shit about literally everyone in my circle including myself. Nobody's perfect. We all did so many mistakes. Who are we to judge her? Yes she's a vulnerable person she's childish sometimes and yes her writing was always pretty... lazy. And a lot of her fans got tired from her favorite sex jokes and it's pretty fair I should say. But I got kinda used to those issues. Because I decide if I want to notice that sht or not. I'm just following very understandable plot lines and I can enjoy things I like and don't give a sht about things I dislike. It's all in our minds. I know bout all the dramas around her and all of them are honestly pathetic. Because c'mon guys she's pretty cool. I mean she did so much to become a pro in animation on a certain level and she gifted us two unique shows. They are so incomparable. I'm not a big fan of indie animation gosh I'm even a bit older than she but her media products made me their fan so she's talented no doubts in many aspects. Also she gave so much recognition to artists who's really worth the fame. Her haters are usually people looking for a cheap fame. They're often so toxic and envious. Cause she's a success. Everybody wants a piece of that cake of hers. I don't give a sht about other indie shows they've got honestly not much to offer after Vivienne. I wish one day they all would understand that they ain't perfect as well. And their content isn't something out of space. I guess I'm lucky to pick a certain show and just follow it. My head isn't a trashcan. I don't need this Circus or whatever it's called and etc. Why ppl even compare them? Why can't ppl live without all these dramas? Idk why she still reacts to all this bullsht... I hope one day she will grow up and stop noticing every toxic sht on the internet. Thank you for this video.❤

[@hybridvenom9]

If someone wants to put 2 shows together middle they're nothing alike that is what they want to do with their lives again dude it is not that hard

[@Itariatan]

This is a really reasonable comment, pretty exactly how I feel about her now. I respect Vivienne a lot and she certainly has worked her ass off for what she has today, but yeah, she's really lousy at responding to criticism or just ignoring the people who want a rise out of her. I hope she understands one day that giving those people attention is just a waste of time.

[@hybridvenom9]

I didn't waste my time i just wanted to say that just so someone can just understand what i'm saying that's what the message of that comment was for

[@Itariatan]

@@hybridvenom9 Heads up, if you're not tagged in a comment, then it's not directed at you.

[@hybridvenom9]

@@Itariatan i just wanted to say some facts and that is it i really was not triggered

[@CMBGAMER2018TV]

People when Vivziepop adds swear words or NSFW references into her cartoons: "All those shows have are adult references and swears! Nothing good whatsoever!" People when Seth MacFarlane adds the exact same stuff in his cartoons: "Wow! So funny! You are the king of comedy!"

[@jaidenthekid6051]

Some people have dogshit media comprehension.

[@picolocity366]

If Serial Introvert was written by Vivziepop, a thread:

[@timesmy668]

Why the truth sequence is a FUCKING masterpiece!

[@latte_tea]

8:58 “If you dislike her content, good for you too, but you don’t have to be a dick about it.” omg it’s canon

[@hybridvenom9]

Because that is the genre that is the point

[@funnyhappystudios]

Overtime, I’ve learned to not take the hate seriously. They’re not very convincing reasons. Especially with the swearing. It’s 2024, and now all of a sudden swearing has become a problem?

[@aaronatkinson177]

You can hate vivziepop all you want but you can't deny her animation is gorgeous at times 😍

[@twistedreaper3730]

Actually i loved the "if this [this show] was written by vivziepop" things they were pretty funny, but yeah theres always more to it than just that

[@hybridvenom9]

Me too

[@Lolamations.channel]

I love viziepop’s content, I like watching indie animations from youtubers who aren’t a part of big companies. I watched episode 7 of season 2 before watching this video and I feel like the people making mountains out of these little molehills give off similar energy to the insane fizzy fan turned hater in the episode.

[@Randomyoutuber-4831]

You'd be amazed by how many of the Viv haters thought that the insane fizzy fan was a personal attack against them.

[@zyancuerdo1615]

@Lolamations.channel now that you mention... It does dosent it i guess some people really are demons like in the show with the amount of hate they do

[@peeblekitty5780]

@@Randomyoutuber-4831 Honestly a little telling that they identified with him

[@Dr.ShadowShrimp]

@@peeblekitty5780 wow yeah... that's true, since it's pretty well known that celebrities attract parasocial, stalker, delusional, etc, fans at some point. so it is weird they'd automatically feel like it's an attack on them if they're supposedly *not* like him

[@rise.-mikey]

@@Randomyoutuber-4831 Finally they are reflecting

[@muichirotokitoes]

Also gonna throw this out there, amazing digital circus seems like it’s made to be interesting to a range of ages from tween to adult it’s meant to be enjoyed by everyone. Helluva boss and Hazbin hotel are shows meant to attract older teens and adults, let’s say that again older teens and adults. And also Helluva boss is staring fucking Brandon rogers as the mc and a writer of the series like tf do you expect? For it to be clean and child friendly?

[@Si1vercherry]

My point exactly! TADC seems like a show i would watch with my friends and some of their older elementary siblings or middle schoolers, whereas Hazbin and Helluva definetly stay in the catagory of "keep this away from the younger siblings lest their fragments of innocence be swept away". Also Brandon is a comical genius and i also love his content!

[@hybridvenom9]

You're still not going to stop anyone of saying that is just real life

[@muichirotokitoes]

@@hybridvenom9 I’m sorry but what???? I have no idea what you’re tryna say bro

[@hybridvenom9]

​@@muichirotokitoes what literally you said won't matter because the internet or just real life as a whole

[@muichirotokitoes]

@@hybridvenom9 (1. Please go back to English class because your grammar is extremely unreadable (2. Just because I post a comment doesn’t mean I think it’ll change anything, I’m just posting my opinion and the fact that at least 2 people saw it, you and the other person, means that my opinion is being looked at and seen. It’s about changing things it’s just about having the freedom to express what I think.

[@bricktaco67]

I feel like the critizism of ”the humor’s bad” isn’t really valid. Everyone has different humor, it’s ok if something doesn’t make you laugh, you just have different humor. Humor is never objectively good or bad, it’s just a matter of taste. If you don’t like something, just don’t watch it and move on.

[@abstraction6212]

I'm just waiting till January arrives then the true Hazbin series premieres.

[@rydermcneal5511]

I still feel like Vivzie is being a little bit overdramatic. The ADC video was obviously supposed to be a joke and she blew it out of proportion by taking it personally. Most people would just ignore it but because she let everybody know it bothered her, it led to more parody videos being made, and she just got made fun of even more. Like you'd think someone who's been doing this as long as her would learn to just take the joke and keep moving but I guess not.

[@Thebuttholetickler34]

Well all know someone who is not pure European descent is going to be a unpleasant or genuine flawed person (this is a joke)

[@ILoveMenWayTooMuch]

The only thing that's actually comparable between Gooseworx and Vivzie is that If these two were in a huge dramatic situation, we know who will end it fast and come out as the more mature one almost immediatedly.

[@hybridvenom9]

By the way dude some people just wanna put different shows and see which one is better it is literally what they wanna do

[@Tired_Tortilla]

@@Thebuttholetickler34 turn that the other way around Europeans are heavily weighed down by the british

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

@@ILoveMenWayTooMuch It's Gooseworx no doubt but it's only a matter of Time *When* they will fight each other giving Viv's nature

[@axelsgf]

I absolutely love Vivziepops work and even The Amazing Digital Circuit and you know why? Because its something different I love animation whether its Disney, Anime, etc. I can’t wait to see what both sides will continue on their works and if ppl hate it idc I’ll still sit down and watch it.

[@noobmasterruben5167]

Plus, recently Disney hasnt bothered to improve their movies. Wish being one of the safest & most forgettable while Hazbin hotel is fresh and full of personality

[@hybridvenom9]

8:16 you would 100% react the same if you had no memories or anything like that's why the story is good because it is realistic in a way and that is kind of the point of the pilot

[@BartekPll]

I remember browsing through memes about hazbin hotel and found a combination of the Hazbin Hotel universe and The Exorcist / Bogdan Boner The Exorcist by Bartosz Walaszek. What a beautiful combination it was.

[@sagoot]

6:41 Both voiced by Micheal kovach!

[@mariaguglielmo1532]

Been a fan of vizzie since her college days where she did her comics and final thesis 🤷‍♀️ Stop comparing every indie animator and start supporting us.

[@Satoshi9801]

It certainly is a matter of personal tastes and experiences. Even within Viv's work, the redemption theme of Hazbin gels with me more than the murder/relationship drama themes of HB (based on what I've read about the latter; I haven't seen very much of it). On a personal level, I'm hoping to redeem myself from the poor choices I made predominantly between ages 16 & 24. I've also never had much of a social life. Zoophobia's premise also intrigues me more than HB, and I think its characters have a lot of potential. But will Viv still feel like doing more with it once she's no longer occupied with one or both of the hell shows? We'll see. As for TADC, I'm very excited to see how Gooseworx will explore each of her characters with some backstories or the like. I'm also very curious as to how they are being held there and the origins of the mysterious headset. Lastly, in terms of the swearing, I think there's an art to not coming off as, "Hoo, look at me, I'm edgy!" When using it.

[@SourBoy]

BFDI MENTIONED!! There was a time where BFDI and Helluva Boss had an altercation due to some award thing that both shows were nominated for. BFDI ended up beating Helluva Boss and winning the whole thing and HB fans started insulting BFDI as a show for surface level reasons and it's fans were constantly insulted. So I'm not that sympathetic towards those fans because they act the exact same as their haters.

[@SourBoy]

It's why BFDI fans are rather hostile towards Vivzie fans, that and the fact BFDI is overlooked in indie animation in general

[@MrOrcshaman]

To be honest I don't see anything really different in what Vivziepop does with Hazbin/HOAB, then what Tray Parker and Matt Stone has been doing with Southpark for the last 25+ years, that shows done everything and way more 'controversial' then what Vivzi's done. Its just we now live in a time of the easily offended and those who are having access to online media and criticism of works so much more then southpark did in its hay day.

[@cherrybombwaffles518]

exactly. this is the big problem with people nowadays. everyone gets offended by everything. you can't do anything anymore.

[@MrOrcshaman]

@@cherrybombwaffles518 but it also reveals the idiots for what they are and their meaningless criticism.

[@cookiezcartoons3587]

If there's anything TADC asd HH/HB have in common, it's that they are amazing shows

[@TheUnmitigatedDawn]

Agreed

[@jyjaeskz]

Hell yes

[@Simply_Blurix]

Helluva boss is A ADULT COMEDY show so ofc it will have adult jokes and swearing

[@vapor_829]

I don't even care about the drama nor do I hate Vivziepop I just wanna watch Hazbin lmao

[@franskleverpostej]

People when other people have a different style of humer than them:😭😡🤬🤬😡🤬😱😿😿😿

[@ziyajafar82]

Pomni is not boring protagonist. Her design and her expressions are very interesting to watch. And unlike other characters who trapped in the different world, they are "wow, that a wonderful world, I can't wait to explore", pomni is "wtf, why am I here, get me out of here". That's reaction of how people would react. It's interesting to have protagonist who isn't happy, positive or something like that, she is sad, frightened and miserable who didn't get happy ending in the end. Screw everyone who says pomni is boring character.

[@Tired_Tortilla]

if you want to see something like that but much much much more fleshed out give ONE a watch its a small webseries on youtube that already ended

[@suspiciousstar7547]

And also it's just the pilot. Of course they're gonna explore more of her character later on.

[@marshmallowsaremyrolemodel6406]

To me she is incredibly boring and uninteresting, but you do you! Glad you like it 👍

[@sergioescobar1391]

Popular = Bad Your honor, I rest my case.

[@LuigiStar31]

You're* I rest

[@sergioescobar1391]

@@LuigiStar31 A're you stupid?

[@sonicfanboy3375]

​@@LuigiStar31No, the Op was right,😂

[@greenfuntimefreddycal6597]

@@sonicfanboy3375 lier

[@greenfuntimefreddycal6597]

People ever since the release of TADC when something becomes popular:

[@HopesFire]

I have see both and even with knowing the drama. In my opinion I like helluva boss and hazbin hotel significantly more

[@TomCatShitposts]

Imagine comparing TADC to GOBB of all things. Also new Serial Introvert video let’s gooooooo.

[@Lunarcreeper]

i don't understand people hate for "excessive profanity" like, it's just a word. heck, ITS FITTING FOR SHOW TAKING PLACE IN HELL. excessive sexual jokes on the other hand are understandable, depends on if it feels forced and honestly it feels like Chaz is the most annoying in that aspect. striker was kinda annoyed too easy, but i thought the last joke at the end was good, they could've left the last one in and the removed the majority of the sex jokes with striker and stolas and it could've been funnier. besides that i don't see any problem.

[@hybridvenom9]

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but the continuity is like a not resistance in both shows

[@ech0lal1a]

I don’t think viv is a bad person but I don’t like the fact that she replies to every single controversy she’s in. Also, are you going to make a video about the current situation with omocat? Not this early, if you don’t want to ofc. Seeing how you have been an omocat supporter for awhile now

[@budcat64xd88]

What's the new one?

[@ech0lal1a]

@@budcat64xd88 and ex employee is accusing omocat of not paying them royalties and overworking. Other devs on the team have come out and said that the ex employee rejected royalties, would write over other people’s code and overworked themselves despite the team telling them not to. Omocat haters are using this and the old shota tweets to make omo the worst person ever. Omocat made an apology to the ex employee and said some of the stuff that also happened but people still think she’s lying. Not sure who’s right in the situation

[@hybridvenom9]

Plus dude people just gotta take the show as a actual show not as the songs or anything like dude it is easy to do that

[@Featheryfaith7]

Bruh, she blocks people just because they criticized her work. That is like blocking the Nostalgia Critic....

[@hybridvenom9]

You're acting like she is like this all powerful thing but no she is just a normal person

[@Luster_duster]

Peronally i like digital circus more but only cuz i am a massive gore trigger but i still do think Helluva sounds fine and it seems okay for the few clips i have been able to see

[@Sylv_the_Weirdo]

Opinions are opinions, we all like different things, and no one is perfect. I personally enjoy Helluva/Hazbin, and still like lackadaisy, tadc, md, ect. and we can all have critiques of something, but just generally sh*tting on something? maybe the fandom needs to chill sometimes with the rage, but still- can i enjoy this in peace?

[@JM-fk7tb]

"Too much swearing in Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel." I mean, sure there are plenty of shows and movies that can tell a decent story without the swearing but do these people keep forgetting the setting of these shows. Hell is filled with so many things that are highly frowned upon in our society and your more worried about excessive swearing? And yeah Vivziepop could have handled the criticism a bit better by not acting like a snowflake and blocking the critics on twitter. But honestly, I tend to not focus on those types of drama issues and focus on the shows themselves unless its something severe.

[@Bexided]

Here is an objective fact that anyone can use to combat hate: You have zero right to criticize media unless you have watched it all the way through. If you have not watched it, the most you can say is "This does not look like something I would enjoy watching." That is literally it. You cannot say anything beyond that or stereotype it because it uses curse words too much. Every adult show uses curse words. THATS WHY THEY ARE CLASSIFIED AS ADULT SHOWS. THEY APPEAL TO ADULTS. If curse words bother you, then YOU are the one who needs to grow up. Don't bandwagon, don't watch a review of the media in question, watch it for yourself in its entirety and form your own opinions. Only then can you make RESPECTFUL and good faith criticisms. Also, Hazbin Hotel & Helluva Boss are masterpieces.

[@Fredy--]

I feel like these people who are annoyed by the swearing would never wnat to go to the U.K. I know people who swear more than blitz does in helluva boss.

[@napbuddy1754]

The same people who criticize Helluva boss probably respect Brand Rogers who is way worse in every single way (I am a big fan im just saying). And shows aren't all about "Oh the funni" i have rarely laughed at Helluva boss or Hazbin hotel yet i still like the story. If i wanted to laugh i wouldn't be watching a show.

[@from_no_where]

I've kinda been orbiting around the event horizon of all this drama for a while, and this video was a great summation of it! I remember really liking the pilot for Hazbin Hotel when it first came out, and I kind of kept up with Helluva Boss when it came out, but then I kinda fell out of the fandom. I've been hearing a _lot_ more about them nowadays, and with Helluva Boss getting picked up and Hazbin Hotel about to come out, I'm gonna start watching them; they both look really good. Thanks for making this video and reminding me about these series

[@carterscoconuts6224]

I don’t like murder drones or ADC but I’ve also never commented on their channel saying how much I dislike the content(to be fair I’m pretty stable so I can relax and go “Oh this ain’t for me I guess” and leave it at that). Simultaneously to see some people get so emotional over these creators and their content when they haven’t liked it in the first place is just sad. Some people need more to do in their day so they have a better head space to enjoy their free time, I swear by that

[@jyjaeskz]

Dude, I swear, there's like a special breed of people who just want to hate things. I don't do much, I'm unemployed and living with my parents for now, and I watch shit all day sometimes. Still, if I don't like something, I stop watching and I just move on with my life. I don't get how some people need to get so hung up on things they dislike. I'm depressed as hell but I can still say that kinda negativity just ruins your own day.

[@carterscoconuts6224]

@@jyjaeskz EXACTLY! I just don’t understand how people can spend so much time being mad about something that doesn’t effect their lives in any capacity. I commend you for not being a degenerate and having free time🫡😂. Idk what it is but as I said before, some people are just extremely emotional about what they see to the point of where it becomes the next issue of the day for them. I simply don’t understand but maybe a psychologist could explain lol. Also good luck with your depression solider, been there before, can’t say it goes away completely but I build model airplanes in my free time or learn aircraft systems to distract myself from intruding thoughts. Helps a lot. Just was hard to find that initial niche that grabs my attention enough

[@jyjaeskz]

@@carterscoconuts6224 Oh that's so cool! My thing I've been getting into is definitely writing. Watching things I enjoy also inspires me to create something that can make people feel stuff like my favourite shows do.

[@immortalstar0138]

Jax: You know what? I've had enough, I'm bypassing your stupid filter!

[@steventechno]

I really enjoyed my time watching the Vivziepop shows! Helluva boss has that right amount of Raunchy that reminds me of older shows like Drawn Together. I liked the other shows like ADC, Murder Drones and Lackadaisy, but I really like Helluva Boss for it's humour and it's amount of profanity. Though I'm starting to love some of the characters. Fizz so far is starting to seem like a favorite!

[@MD-od2ht]

I have always loved good animation and cartoons. Vizzie has such a beautiful art style and interesting characters!

[@dearofernandezluisroberto4211]

I cpuld still hear in the back Katie Killjijoy's "I don't touch the gays." And her neck breaking with that crow caw sound effect XD

[@Bagel_Ice]

guys please... stop fighting... you can like or dislike a show but PLEASE stop bringing everyone down

[@TristenTheBoarding]

both of the shows are good

[@Karkat_Vantas413]

They get mad at Vizziepop but not Matt and Trey? Hm… weird… don’t they do the same thing in their shows with the profanity?,.

[@Ammy-q4w]

Women get criticized heavily for things like this, but men are allowed to get away with it, because it is considered normal behavior for them. It's sexism.

[@DrinktheEdgySauceNOW]

​@@Ammy-q4w i dont think its only sexism, its more for homophobia. At least its my theory lol.

[@blissful_creativity0]

All im gonna say is vivzepop cannot take criticism for the life of her but her content is kinda good.. just the swearing and overuse of bow ties are annoying

[@ferntheinkling]

Honestly there’s so much swearing that my brain doesn’t even pick it up anymore. That’s just how the characters talk. I don’t feel strange about it. I personally don’t swear (unless I’m particularly ticked off) but I have no problem with it.

[@gasmaskter2495]

i just discovered this video today and i saw the Thumbnail of this video "overrated or overhated". u dont know how fast i said "overhated", i wish im jk JESUS lord, ppl see her being successful for all her hardwork and the haters trying to pull her down along with them, disgusting. how about yall go outside and do something ANYTHING but this

[@verspin]

I love how these memes making fun of VIv started to get popular in the same time the "Just Look My Way" music video was released

[@netherfreakultima4498]

I've been with Vivziepop a long time, why would people hate her?!!

[@siamesw.9454]

I just hate how a lot of the comments from Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss haters down here in the comment section are teenagers who are sure they can "fix" or "do better" than the creator, then you take a look at what they've done as artists and find out that they wrote a fanfic once, which is as likable as sausage water. ok, I understand that the creator may have made unpleasant comments, and as an individual she has a lot of room for improvement. We just have to remember these rules to be better spectators and less like assholes: - separate the work from the creator. Your experience is always better when you appreciate a work without taking into account the comments spoken by those involved in its production. - Did you find any script or world-building errors? How about *thinking* a little and finding clues to fill in with other fans? :) - if there is a big problem that has no justification in the show, suggest changes to the creator! (in a respectful way, giving space for the creator to express their opinions as well.) - if your criticism isn't going to help anyone improve and is intended to offend or just complain, how about keeping it to yourself? that way maybe you'll make some friends!

[@crowbrews]

If people dont like all the swearing n sh-t jus dont watch it 😭 its that simple but i love it

[@bronzegoddess209]

Here’s the thing idk why people watch it when they hate the cursing and sex jokes? Like have they seen ANY of Brandon Rogers content??? Comparatively helluva is much more tame than the voice actors content in YT

[@dualityschild]

I always thought of like.. The setting of Helluva boss takes place IN HELL following demons that were put in hell for being bad people? They swear and have sex a lot, so they talk about it all the time. Even if it does get excessive at times it's still comedy to some people. I mean let's take south park for example. Growing up, 9/10 south park episodes I'd watch capitalized on race or sexuality (Typically in the homophobic fashion) to get a quick and easy laugh. Same with the boondocks with Riley, a main character, having a catchphrase of "N----, You gay". Or Uncle Ruckus overusing racial stereotypes in a genuinely racist fashion as a reoccurring joke. Don't get me wrong, I find both of those shows hilarious but at least In HH and HB there's genuine character development and somewhere to go from all of the childish jokes. I mean, ffs Blitz was an incredibly troubled child and is still pretty childish in adulthood. He swears and has sex a lot because he's immature. That's his character. Angel dust swears a lot because he's literally a drug addict. Moxxie rarely swears because he's proper. And, on that note, Millie doesn't over-swear because she was literally one of the only characters in the show with a moderately good upbringing. The writing is genuinely way more deep than "Urrrrrrrr hot owl fucky time blitzyyyy" and leads deeper into the inner workings of the character's minds while also being funny. The fact that so many people are genuinely upset by the way she does her writing is weird in it's own right, but looking over so much character and ignoring other popular shows that do the exact same thing or worse is genuinely appaling to me

[@WhehW3056]

I find it sad that the Internet Trolls want scrutiny to start the entire thing burndown when they've seen or heard about Indie Projects, like come on just enjoy life.

[@bdariamihaela]

I really don't get it, why put indie shows against another, there are so many factors that come into play, much more than for studio produced shows, it's not a competition, youtube is an open platform and you can watch as much as you want, creators more often than not support each other so the fans should fallow their example

[@NightmareRex6]

them swaring alot makes sense, ever see the maree demon posetion videos? the demon swears like a modern teenager or gen alpha child.

[@barrettwissell9708]

Ridiculous. I'm dubious of any hatred towards Viziepop. I've yet to meet a single person who isn't totally enamored with her work. It's like all the fake hate of Johnen Vasquez. Everyone loves Jonny and Zim.

[@OmaruuDevOfficial]

Actually ever since I heard that gooseworks was involved in the production of hazbin hotel is when I decided to watch hazbin and helluva boss

[@KimHoward024]

I get that some people don’t like the swearing in helluva boss/hazbin hotel, but it’s hell. It’s probably normal for the demons to swear that much and make sexual jokes of the sort. If anything it would be would weird if they didn’t.

[@92JazzQueen]

You keep saying this is hell but the have the demon of lust say consent is important.

[@citrus3603]

​@@92JazzQueenIt's also kind of weird because it now makes Angel Dust's boss more evil than the actual deadly sin of Lust.

[@92JazzQueen]

@@citrus3603 This. It always has bugged me since Ozzie was treated as just a good sin like Beezlebub.

[@ChonksChickenPotPie]

@@92JazzQueenozzie sees lust as an ART not just something to be forced on someone. Two people that lust for each other vs straight up r*ping them are very different

[@92JazzQueen]

@@ChonksChickenPotPie people want to always downplay lust as a sin

[@Biscotum]

I scrolled down a bit and saw a comment that reminded me of something very important, that's all too easy to forget on the modern Internet. A very good portion of the tweets, comments, etc that you see are written by LITERAL CHILDREN. How many of the people causing drama over stuff like this can even drive, let alone vote or drink? Not a good chunk of them, I'll tell you that much. The comment that reminded me of this was written by a 13-year-old. Kid won't even be able to get a learner's permit for three more years. Hell, they're lucky if they can reach the pedals. You can't expect a shred of media literacy, let alone any ability to find nuance out of a kid who barely grasps algebra. If someone seems way too invested in showing off just how much they like/dislike something, it's pretty safe to assume they're a high schooler and move on with your day. Kids are stupid (any kids reading this, it's not your fault, it's just the way you are, you'll grow out of it) and that means their opinions and the way they express them are also going to be stupid.

[@MaidenOfHusbands]

Crazy how people attack indie producers the way they do… but allow bigger studios to get away with doing awful things or putting awful stuff in their work, especially if the work is a adult cartoon, like family guy. Gotta be jealousy at this point. I actually know someone who hates Vizi and her show literally just because she is jealous that Vizi made it, and it would be a miracle for their own show to be made

[@bubbabogs8420]

My opinion is simple, Love both shows and just ignore the drama and just enjoy the good things

[@HeartCloud]

When coming across this drama that I so happen to run into while I was just minding my own business is just so ridiculous that it felt like I got a headache by just looking at it. The whole "TADC if it was written by the writters of Helluva Boss" situation is honestly really stupid and pointless drama that just didn't need to exist. I honestly think Viv really should've just ignored that joke video and just mind her own business because her tweeting the situation didn't really help her case that much. I like Vivzie and her hard work on Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, but she really didn't need to be involved with something that is just making a joke out of "how" one of her shows was written. But, I understand why she got triggered by the video because I honestly think the joke video about TADC having excessive swearing just felt really distasteful for how that is how Vivzie writes in both the Hazbin Hotel pilot and Helluva Boss. I watched the Hazbin Hotel pilot so many times that the amount of swearing wasn't excessive to the point where it is not present every five seconds or so. Hazbin Hotel is really tame compared to Helluva Boss. Helluva Boss is more excessive with the swearing and I can understand why it can get very annoying after a while, but I see the series as more than just a compilation of swearing and adult humor. There was stories to tell and I liked the characters quite a bit from what I've seen in the series (although I haven't seen every single episode). In my personal opinion, watching that joke video I mentioned at the beginning really wasn't funny to begin with and seeing the trend of "X show if it was written by Vivziepop" tweets and threads is honestly very annoying and grating to come across. If the joke video was re-worded without the context of poking fun at one of Vivziepop's show's style, then I would see it as just another post that got popular and just move on. And the discourse of comparing TADC to Vivzie's shows is honestly very stupid and pointless because I agree that these shows aren't really comparable despite some noticeable similarities. In general, I'm not one to compare pieces of media with each other and just dumping one over the other. TADC and its pilot in my personal opinion is not my favorite because it really just didn't click my attention to become a fan of it unlike other people who do. I watched it a couple of times and I just don't personally think it is memorable enough for myself to be a fan of it. It is a decent pilot with some flaws, but I'm just not one of those people who is a fan of the indie animation series. It does deserves its popularity it gets and I did see that a lot of effort was put into it. TADC is just not for me to be a fan of it. Hazbin Hotel on the other hand clicked with me when I first watched the pilot for the first time back in the year of 2020. I fell in love with it to the point where I watched the pilot so many times and the fan content throughout the past couple of years until I heard about it becoming a series later next year. The story was a great concept, the setting makes Hell look fun, the 2D style animation is very refreshing to watch in modern times, the characters are likeable in their own ways to be memorable, and the voice acting was very well done. Although it is not perfect per-say and some aspects within the pilot did not age well, but I honestly don't let the flaws hinder my enjoyment of the pilot no matter how many times I've watched it throughout the years. So yeah, that is my personal take on all this drama and discourse revolving around the TADC VS Vivziepop's shows to the "X Show if it was written by Vivziepop". It's honestly really stupid and pointless that it all had to occur when we are close to ending the year of 2023. Vivzie should honestly not reply to every single piece of controversy and just stick to Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss updates instead, while at the same time she doesn't deserve all this unjustified hate she gets on a day to day basis.

[@clipsmore5607]

I waited since 2019 to the full release of the show and I cant be happier

[@kingwolfie0849]

tbh, im a fan of hazbin hotel, and helluva boss. but im kinda scared to tell my friends that i am, because of vivzipops constroversies.

[@antitroller101]

I tend to focus on the animation than the animator and so as long as the animator has done nothing too sus I really don’t care about what goes on behind the scenes

[@teddyfurstman1997]

I like both Series and Indie Animation, or All Animation is not a Contest. People are just hostile.

[@Gods_Aviator]

Well obviously she would be disliked for her animation themes and twitter but I don’t think that she should be judged. She’s only doing her best and I understand that she’s not perfect. she has made mistakes in the past, so let’s just leave her alone get on with our days and hope that we don’t fight because it’s completely pointless and we should not fight let’s just get along even if it’s not simple I’m pretty sure that she’s just trying her best and even if the amazing digital digital circus is becoming more popular than Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss,let’s just admit that they’re both amazing shows that’s all we can do that’s not argue okay.

[@loamisen9726]

The whole argument of "too many swears" etc is a pretty minor issue to basically not being an issue at all. I remember when i watched the pilots for HH & HB the swearing and goofy sound effects was definitely overused, however for HB overtime as more episode were released they very noticeably eased up on the swearing (if i'm remembering correctly). So for HH we could have just gotten a trailer and a pilot that had a bunch of swearing in it but the bulk of the episodes crude humour could be more spread out and less rapid fire. Also the many comparisons between Viv's work and Glitch and even lackadaisy is so pointless that i'd even go as far as to say that most comparisons are made by Viv's fans and critics to justify their love or hate for her work.

[@Dr.Mlieko]

Also, The Amazing Digital Circus only has like one episode thus far Let us wait till there's an entire season out, and see how it holds up in the long run

[@Snekysnitch]

1:40 stealing animation? They gotta be kidding. These people do not understand how had animation is. Having a reference is FINE! Big animation studios even does this.

[@Featheryfaith7]

In some states, Bad Faith is actually a real law though...

[@hybridvenom9]

How do we keep finding each other on the internet i mean it is obviously a luck but how

[@Featheryfaith7]

@@hybridvenom9 Algorithmn.

[@Zane_Is_Insane]

Vivziepop is my biggest inspiration, because i don't wanna act like her

[@Why0oo]

As a big hazbin/helluva fan, I find it so stupid Viv can't take a simple joke. If you find excessive swearing hilarious but you can't even take a simple joke about it, then maybe perhaps you're the problem? I love vivziepop and all of her work, but sometimes her immaturity towards some situations makes me sigh.

[@crazycatzg3481]

I agree with that

[@zoeylace4778]

She's allowed to be annoyed when she's constantly shit on for few valid reasons. You all just really wanna hate her for no reason. I don't like the drama she brings to her twitter so I just don't follow her? What a crazy idea huh

[@crazycatzg3481]

@@zoeylace4778 yeah, crazy to assume some of us hate her for no reason

[@Ammy-q4w]

@@crazycatzg3481 Is it really crazy? People on Twitter hate on each other for no reason all the time.

[@AkariSi11yz]

People shouldn’t compare these shows (even tho I know nothing about helluva boss\hazbin hotel) glitch worked with vivziepop and gooseworx to make both shows.

[@Enigmatic-v83]

brandon writes those swears apparentally to a comment i saw lol

[@harlendaulton3811]

“Overrated or overhated” In a weird way, both

[@LumaSloth]

Funnily enough I came from the discussed video.