The Packers Must Stop the Spread of Regression!

On today's show, Andy & Perri discuss which Packers improved in 2024, which Packers stayed the same, and which players regressed from where they were the year before. Do the Packers have a regression issue? Find out today!
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[@briansischo]

Honestly even their run blocking wasn’t good. Jacob’s was constantly hit in the backfield and it was his skill that got him the yards after contact.

[@adamwhitney8526]

The progress and regress breakdown really highlights the Packers two best players from the season. Free agent acquisitions Josh Jacobs and Xavier McKinney.

[@PackerBacker911]

Yes, I have been pointing out the same thing!

[@Will-q7c]

I’m tired of hearing about but we are so young. That’s a bs excuse. The Chiefs avg age is 26yrs 3 months the Lions are 25 and 5 months the Packers are 25 and 4.

[@williamhermann6635]

Yeah thats on average. 8 months across a 53 man roster is a large difference. Numbers clearly arent your strong suit but an average of 8 months more experience amounts to 35 more years of combined experience. Only an overly emotional casual would pretend thats nothing.

[@davewa109]

exactly. the average is misleading if you dont take a second to think about what the time actually means. Being the second youngest team ever to make the playoffs (second to the packers team that did it last year of course) is a serious accomplishment. Is it that crazy this team couldnt get past the eagles? Their roster is insane. Is it crazier that we did have a shot in that game save for shooting ourselves in the foot repeatedly? This team was good. They have a lot to improve upon. Using youth as the sole reason for their failures is an error. Dismissing it entirely is just as flawed.

[@MichaelFischetti]

When talking about the regression of the wide receivers, I don't think enough was made of the coaching change that happened in 2024. In 2023, Jason Vrabel was the Wide Receivers coach as well as the Offensive Passing Game Coordinator. This past season, Ryan Mahaffey was moved from Assistant Offensive line to Wide Receivers coach, a move which allowed Vrabel to solely concentrate on scheme and concept. The development of a very young group of WR's was given to Mahaffey, who never coached WR's either collegiately or professionally. It's possible as a first time position coach it had much to do with the lack of development of that group. I'd very much like to see Luke Getsy be given some WR responsibility to try and accelerate this group to a level we thought they achieve after the 2023 season.

[@Matt-yq3gq]

If they dropped the ball at a rate of 10th best or better in the league instead of the worst, no one’s probably talking about WR regression. Dropping balls that hit them in the hands ended a ton of possessions and points getting put up.

[@MichaelFischetti]

@@Matt-yq3gq That too!

[@Janeo7404]

You just listed tons of reasons why they need a good veteran offensive line guy to get into that room. If the line doesn't get fixed, Jordan doesn't get fixed.

[@PackerBacker911]

We need more veterans all around!

[@janelleroedger1645]

I have NEVER seen a play by Quay Walker where I was like OMG, how did he make that play that was amazing! I've seen a handful where I was like oh, that was a pretty good play, and a lot more where I was like WTF is he doing???!!! If someone could upload some jawdropping omg play from Quay? Maybe I'm missing something

[@ScooniePenn10]

crazy that Watson progressed which meant he had 29 catches(not even 2 catches/game) and 620 yards. Those stats were over 15 games but stats like that are WR5/6 level. The WR room was bad and never really improved.

[@fitz27486]

Fascinating discussion. Aside from the receivers regressing, I think the biggest issue is this. Jordan Love was under a pressure a lot. Opposing QB's (at least with the better teams) were not.

[@joep.783]

I’d shake up the Wr room. Too many drops and injuries .

[@JJB_80_815]

I enjoyed and agreed with almost everything said in this episode, but I don't consider Doubs to be a legitimate # 2 WR. To me he's a decent # 3 WR. Maybe, if he learns to CATCH the ball, he could end up as a low end # 2 or a top # 3 WR. His drop percentage so far throughout his career is at 9.3 % (according to something that I saw on Tik Tok, so it could be an inaccurate stat). Also, the suspension and the concussion history has me concerned for his future. I'm ready for either a veteran or a rookie WR to challenge him for snaps. Quay Walker had a really good 3 game stretch and then got hurt. While I hope that he's turned the corner, I kinda expect him to disappoint early on and then tease his athletic talents JUST ENOUGH to get a new contract with the Packers that he'll end up underperforming in. It's just how things seem to go in Green Bay. I WANT the Packers to reward their players for their play, but not when it's brief and inconsistent. Again, I hope that I'm wrong and Quay ends up with an outstanding 17-game regular season melded to a wonderful 3-4 playoff run.

[@lancevang9917]

Matt Lafleur has regress the most. Defense got better and his play calling sucked. I didn't see enough screens and simple change of pace plays. Reed's energy was used more pre snap than post snap. This doesn't work in the post season. Just like shooting three's don't work in the NBA playoffs. NBA playoffs and NFL Playoffs are won in the midrange and trenches. I remember when Brady tore the Packers apart with 3-5 yard passes and went down hill right before halftime. Holmgren used the screen to set tone for physicality because he knew Favre had an arm. Why not use these tactics to build up Love? Lafleur can never understand to how to play with an arm because he never had one. If Love just goes down hill all the time it's a play calling issue.

[@leehemmersbach8018]

You sure the playcalling regressed? You don't think it has anything to do with wr drops, missed throws, Love's injuries?

[@jeremyshepherd8142]

There were a few moments that were awful from leflur I'll give you that ! but let's be Frank it doesn't help when your receivers have a ton of drops & your qb is injured for most of the season packers fans can be absolute snow flakes sometimes ! literally changed qb let most of the older players go basically a rebuild & they made the playoffs both years as the youngest team in the league & are in a great position going into the 3rd year after Rodgers & all packers fans can do is cry !

[@MichaelFischetti]

Not sure if the play calling regressed but I completely agree they don't use screen passes enough and that Reed was used more East/West pre-snap rather than up the field.

[@afamrolfs8244]

Too much orbit motion

[@joeskibinski7174]

@@leehemmersbach8018you ask people what is a good play call or why a play call is bad and they’ll be like cuz it works or doesn’t. People throw out that term like they actually know but they don’t

[@djrychlak4443]

1-5 in the North and GB routinely lost to winning teams. GB is a jobber team. I don't see that changing. Basement of the North is more realistic than advancing to the SB...someday.

[@edwardmitchell8500]

Smile on my face to open the video and see Perri! Always makes for a great episode

[@bryceberggg]

WE LOVE THE ANDY AND PERRI PODS!!! More please

[@AndrewBeveridge461]

Andy think Hopper will be in the rotation? What at ALL in 2024 would give him confidence that Hopper will even get on the field? We could have taken that dude in the 6th, but burned a 3rd on him. Crazy.

[@KewlAidJam37]

Doubs regressed and I frankly don’t see what everyone see’s in him. You also regress when you get suspended.

[@mvman4122]

Watching Doubs get concussed from a mild fall on the back of his bubble helmet is a major concern for his life

[@williamhermann6635]

He quit on the team. He should already be off this roster.

[@mvman4122]

Myles Garrett for Love! Our defense would be so much better with Garrett. How much fewer pts would LaFluer produce with Willis at QB vs Love? I’d take my chances

[@klohr311]

The packer took one step forward and two step back with offense.

[@philsala5781]

Reed had more yards and more yards on every catch in 24 vs 23. Only 2 less TD's. Hardly a regression

[@JoTrev1]

Myles Garrett just requested a trade. I knew it! Earlier in the season he didn’t want to say he wanted out but he did at the same time. Since he wants out the Packers won’t lose too many picks and he’ll be cheaper than Maxx Crosby. In fact he’ll be cheaper than Rashan Gary as well. Seeing it as the Browns restructured his contract and will be the ones eating the dead money

[@MarkDiglio]

Didn't Walker grade out as one of the top pass blocking left tackles in the league? From listening to this discussion of him, you would get the impression the he was awful and couldn't protect Love. That's not what I saw.

[@GeorgeLucas_TaintedLegacy]

The play calling this year compared to last year was mediocre. Also, our entire WR core took a step back. We need to stop settling for high RAS 2nd or 3rd round WR with play or injury concerns and go out and get someone with sure hands and proven production. Draft order of importance (pending FA) should be CB, WR, EDGE. I think edge is less important than the rest simply because this draft is deep at edge.

[@adamwhitney8526]

The Packers should swap Tom and Walker, move Jenkins to center and start Morgan at left guard.

[@David-h4d]

Why are packers fans willing to accept mediocrity from this team?

[@Will_Grey]

You wouldn't know mediocrity if it slapped you in the face.

[@DennisAlexander-t4k]

They dont understand you cant lose to every team in your own division.

[@leehemmersbach8018]

I'm not willing to accept mediocre fans, so you are out! I have traded you to the Cleveland Browns. I got a chocolate pb cookie, it wasn't warm but it's all I could get for you.

[@PackerBacker911]

Some of them are sold on the vision of being the youngest team. Age and injury has become a built in excuse for underperforming.

[@Will-q7c]

The age thing is ridiculous. What separates the Packers from the Chiefs in overall roster age is 8 months

[@christopherboehme7804]

Agree with Perri 100%: sophemore slump. Year one was so high for this team that I don't think many of the guys even realized what they accomplished - much less could lock in on the excellence. This year they found out what it was really about. They will go out more mature next year, with a better understanding of what it takes. Coaching is what smooths over those lumps; and our coaches need to do a better job of coaching these guys up. Good job, Perri and Andy.

[@zacharysmith608]

Not to many players progressed according to yall. Blame the coaching staff

[@Captainkebbles1392]

obviously, your time and own energy to give matters Andy and company, but i LOVE these hour or so videos. never such thing as too much Pack a Day

[@mickgringo1997]

Language in this episode like "getting by" and "lack of talent" in the market, "not a home run hitting GM" are all code for "meh." Maybe we focus on finding a Howie Roseman type GM & stop settling?

[@williamhermann6635]

Go be an Eagles fan.

[@kreed4480]

Another year, another offseason of everyone knowing everything wrong with the packers and how to fix them. For those who hate on our FA tactics, keep in mind that the two best players currently on the Packers roster came from FA last offseason

[@beeseumz]

This stretch of the NFL is very reminiscent of the NBA when it was the Warriors/Cavs every year

[@Janeo7404]

I would pick offense for FA. Offense was the weak link last year

[@ShawnO316]

If a QB needs all the stars to align in order to be good then he is not that good because its football, things are never going to all go your way.

[@rrsmith30]

From what I’m seeing, it’s kind of the bridesmaid versus bride thing happening. I think people have a right to feel frustrated; there was definitely a lot of optimism going into last season, and when the projected steps forward didn’t take place, this is the expected reaction. Some people go a bit too far in their reactions, in my opinion (calling for coaches to be fired, for example), but I think frustration is warranted and should be expected, which is my response to some of the commenters trying to police the responses from other people. Our GM himself seemed a bit frustrated; calling for a greater sense of urgency. We’ll see what that translates to this off-season. Right off top, the Myles Garrett story has me intrigued.

[@87salanitro]

Our offense seem to be functioning fairly fine until he brought Robert Saleh on for the offensive side for whatever reason, then it got even worse when Luke getsy came on. He needs to stick to his guns

[@RussOdovero]

The excuses and rationalizations year after year, are getting really old....1 super bowl appearance in the last 27 seasons. 25 of those seasons w/ a Hall of Fame QB. Enough is enough, just step up coaches and players, and win some damm playoff games already, and get to a Super Bowl.

[@RussOdovero]

"If Watson didn't get hurt, we'd be thinking differently about the season he had"........yeah, and if my Grandma had balls she would be my Grandpa......

[@bearsmartdurango]

Now the question is why for the regressions? Is it coaching?

[@PackerBacker911]

The young players that people think are going to end up great end up being just another guy.

[@MikeDrewYT]

Haven’t caught a Perri appearance on any shown in a year or two. Is Perri reverse-aging? She looks younger than the last time I saw her.

[@UHMOutreachCollege]

Perri 4 life!

[@Festvangelist]

Glaring needs is Defense if it is a binary choice but of course it is not.

[@dannyjoherrin4559]

I have a question, andy.. if Crosby or garrett was being traded, and he might go to Minnesota or deteiot. Would that change how the calculus? It does for me if they get him, then we are just screwed in the division. Minnesota is a little less, but deteiot, man, we won't win the division for years. I would give up even more to keep that from happening.

[@dwill0408]

Zach Tom had a slight regression in my opinion…

[@adamwhitney8526]

Quay needs to play weak side linebacker and hand the green dot off to Eric Wilson(if they re-sign him) or free agent/draft pick.

[@fractalofgod6324]

Hey guys

[@transrightsbaybee]

perri :D

[@williamhermann6635]

Can we stop the dramatics? This team just won 11 games and people are acting like theyre a lost franchise with no hope. Its gotten out of hand.

[@PackerBacker911]

That's what happens when you only beat the weak injured teams. We couldn't beat any of the good teams we played, and almost got swept by every team in the division.

[@williamhermann6635]

@PackerBacker911 Yeah lets overreact to one season. And you call yourself a real fan. All youve ever done is whine and complain.

[@PackerBacker911]

@@williamhermann6635 I'm not the only person around here who has been schooling you about what real fans do. They don't act like every single thing the organization does is the best thing ever. That's what cheerleaders do.

[@williamhermann6635]

@PackerBacker911 Neither you, nor the rest of the low-t crybabies have schooled anyone about anything. Get over yourselves. Youre not nfl gms. Youre whiny know-nothing fans who dont know the first thing about football. The only thing worse than stupidity is arrogant stupidity. You check both those boxes so congrats.

[@Janeo7404]

Agree with Perry about Walker. Is Bak ready to come back?

[@frankblaze-]

Unfortunately for me I’d rather not watch content with Perri ever since she made a racial comment about the Packers only hiring “White old men” in their coaching staff. Love the podcast but I’ll be skipping today. Don’t wish to mix my sports with politics. Cheers and take care.

[@djrychlak4443]

Everything is political. Good luck skipping everything.

[@miltowncorey]

LMAO. When does talking about race become political???? 😂😂😂 racism is one thing, and politics are a whole other thing. Are there any minority coaches on the packers staff??? Or do you think the Old White Men know more???

[@SpikedMocha]

such bravery

[@kreed4480]

Well they don’t just hire old white men… and even if they did, it’s never from a place of “racism” as people like you love to cry about. Perhaps the actual racists are the people who have issues with “old white men” in general. Perhaps the people they’ve hired just happen to be the most qualified, as it should always be. Hiring based on skin color or personal identity is, to say it simply, discriminatory. More so on the topic, engaging in conversation and hearing out opinions of those who do not think alike to yourself is a way of growth and understanding, whereas burying your head in the sand whenever you feel discomfort is just living in a world of ignorance. Sorry for the soap box but you brought politics into this thread

[@miltowncorey]

@kreed4480 but racism a social issue, NOT a political issue??? I didn't hear anyone say anything about politics. Lmao 🤣 that's what's wrong with the world today. People don't even know what their mad about......

[@RaymondBrean-z4d]

It makes sense for the Green Bay Packers to secure Brandon McManus to a relatively long-term deal, giving them security at the position, while allowing a team-friendly structure in terms of how the contract will hit the cap. It could be a 3-year $16.5 million contract-$5.5 million in yearly average. For Brandon McManus, that would be an impressive recovery after the off-field issues he went through, which led him to a $656k deal with the Green Bay Packers, which is a proration of the veteran minimum. The veteran minimum for players with 7 or more accrued seasons in the NFL is $1.255 million. Even if the Green Bay Packers make a regular contract paying Brandon McManus $5.5 million per year, it would be possible to pay $4.245 million in the form of a signing bonus, making his 2025 cap hit be at $2.67 million. Based on how Brandon McManus solidified the kicking position for the Green Bay Packers and how small the kicker market is compared to offensive and defensive positions, it’s a no-brainer for Green Bay. Go Pack Go 💚💚💛💛