The Palworld Situation is INSANE

[@circledude2362]

if Pocketpair wins this lawsuit, it will be great and will pave the way for new monster taming games.

[@ladjame8109]

I hope pocketpair wins as well because to me Pokémon is done. Nintendo is not doing anything new with it and honestly palworld it’s just a better version of Pokémon

[@circledude2362]

@@ladjame8109 And they insitst pokemon isn't suppose to inspire another monster taimng genere, or have competiation. breaking japan's code of honor.

[@x3SayuriChan]

The amount of misinformed Pokemon fanboys already cheering for the big corporation bullying a small company disgusts me. Why misinformed? Because they think Palworld got sued for the designs they complained about. But since Nintendo decided to sue some vague gameplay mechanics instead, we can assume that there isn't a case to make about the designs being copyright infringement. Meaning the Pal designs are basically officialy legal. The thing that a large amount of the Pokemon community got in arms about and they now feel they were right about with this lawsuit. Except that they aren't right and this is not what the lawsuit is about.

[@Jonathan-tw4xm]

Makes you wonder. Pokemone has been trying to sue these guys for a reason

[@heliothelizard]

Small company?

[@x3SayuriChan]

@@heliothelizard In comparison to Nintendo and other big AAA publishers they‘re pretty dang small. No one man indie developer but also far from big.

[@Obsidianoak]

Precisely if there was actually grounds at minimum the one being sued would know. Looks more like they want a slice of the success

[@dorelie9354]

​@@heliothelizard they are barely 50, so yes it's pretty small compared to Nintendo and the Pokémon company

[@eveningclicks7767]

The patent I saw someone point to was a game mechanic that is throwing and object, how it is thrown, and it summoning a fighting character. That is super broad and will effect more than just monster catching and battling games if Nintendo wins.

[@maimaisims]

But pal spheres are clearly so different to pokeballs 😭 I jest I love palworld and hope nothing bad happens. But that comparison made me giggle when I played it. It's not a ball it's a sphere. ❤❤

[@cawingcrows2072]

@@eveningclicks7767 thats so goofy wtf You cant copyright someone throwing something thats stupid

[@Nowaylarry]

funny thing is that particular patent was filed AFTER Palworld's release.

[@eveningclicks7767]

@@maimaisims object doesn't have a specific shape. Plus I wonder if the game engine has some of this built in already, if so the game engine's company will be dragged in as Nintendo would be saying some of that is their patent which they can't do.

[@eveningclicks7767]

​@@cawingcrows2072 copyright and patent is not the same thing

[@Reaper84583]

I really hope nothing happens to Palworld the game is so fun 😭😭😭😭 congratulations on 10K by the way

[@HumboldtSqu1d]

yea i love both they so fun

[@electrobob992]

Thankfully it does have offline support, so as long as you own it.. It's yours. Doesn't even need specific hardware, unlike nintendo's games. But show our support, by sharing the game, buying the game and all merch we can to help finance their court fees. Since the rumor is Nintendo knows they will lose, and are doing this to cause Pocket Pair to file for bankruptcy.

[@Reaper84583]

@@electrobob992 yes

[@leonoliveira8652]

Pirating nintendo stuff has been self-defense and a moral obligation for a while, but now more than ever.

[@cuddlecakes7153]

@@leonoliveira8652 but how do I pirate on my Switch

[@MissImpolite]

@@cuddlecakes7153 I'm pretty sure you can HomeBrew it. There's tutorials. I'm thinking of doing that to all my 3ds now lmao

[@GALAXY_GUTTA]

If palworld goes down we riot

[@jayjaytheplane]

If this kills palworld I will never buy a pokemon game again. Hell I may stop buying pokemon just because they tried to pull shit like this

[@namelessbag]

If you were already buying pokemon games after ORAS then you are already part of the problem. Good job helping fund these lawsuits in the meantime by the way

[@jayjaytheplane]

@namelessbag what a very appropriate reply to what I said. No need to be an asshole dude. This is my last and only reply to you.

[@TheHeavieKiwie]

@@namelessbag Uhhh...

[@TheHeavieKiwie]

​​@@jayjaytheplane Nice. (I feel like there's something I need to say something but I don't know what to for some reason at the moment for an unknown reason I don't even know of)

[@deadplayer6791]

Sail the high seas, they don't deserve your money...

[@aleenaalam1235]

They want to sue them after they blow up (and after i HAVE 500 HOURS IN THE GAMEEEEEEE) 😭

[@electrobob992]

Don't worry friend, remember... Unlike pokemon, this game has offline mode and doesn't require specific hardware. Once you own it, it's yours forever. As well as mod support for PC, it won't die.

[@vogonp4287]

@@electrobob992 If Nintendo takes it down, I guarantee people will spread torrents.

[@n0ir945]

I hope it doesn’t get deleted I loved that game

[@squiggle463]

it's a scam, and it copied pokemon

[@n0ir945]

@@squiggle463 no tf they didn’t how the hell is it a scam

[@whitedragonzerureusu4480]

Tell me you don't know what a scam is and tell me you don't know what a scam is

[@electrobob992]

Thankfully it has offline mode, so as long as you have the files... It will never truly die.

[@lordturtleduck]

one of those patents that the pokemon company apparently hold is the concept of aerial mounts changing to land-faring ones upon reaching the ground. practically every game with multi-terrain vehicles and mounts functions in this way. that’s nothing to do with pokemon or monster-catcher games in any way. while it may have been applied in recent games (legends arceus, scarlet/violet), pokemon are by far not the first games to have mounts that function in the air and on land. while this may not necessarily be the patent upon which they’re suing, it’s still an absurd patent to hold for a pretty typical gameplay mechanic

[@cawingcrows2072]

??????? Dont the palworld ones just like... land???? They dont transform do they??

[@larsg.2492]

This just shows you, WoW was sleeping on a patent idea all along. Blizzard/Activision/Microsoft burning money for over a decade.

[@lordturtleduck]

@@cawingcrows2072indeed they don’t which is why i doubt it’s the patent nintendo are suing on i just think it’s mad that they hold the patent in the first place

[@vogonp4287]

It sets a bad precedent. What if companies decide to patent random mechanics? It's like if Ubisoft patented the open world genre.

[@emeraldguy10]

There's a reason why only some companies try this. In most first world nations, patenting a game mechanic does not hold up in court. Japan is the sole exception. If Pocketpair wasn't a japanese company, this probably wouldn't go anywhere, but since they are....

[@larsg.2492]

It's a shame the Nemesis System of Shadow of Mordor/War got a patent and can't be used by other developers. Especially since WB isn't really doing anything with it.

[@GlitchNoobChaotix]

If this shuts down palworld im not buying any more products and games and im burning all of my pokemon items

[@grizzlee6063]

Could be wrong, but this definitely feels like one of those corporate moves where the big company tries to bury the little company in legal fees until they have to shut down. I would have hoped Palworld could inspire Pokemon Company to innovate, but I guess not, only time will tell.

[@emeraldguy10]

It gets even more obvious when you realize Nintendo has an open world Pokemon game coming out next year.

[@rwulf]

Nah, PalWorld definitely inspired Nintendo to innovate. unfortunately, it inspired Nintendo to innovate a new way to gin up a nonsense lawsuit. This makes sense considering that their primary goal is not making good games, but generating limitless profit. And if that makes video games even more generic and less interesting, screw the consumer for expecting more.

[@zackeryferguson7141]

@@grizzlee6063 if needed xbox will pay for the fees

[@electrobob992]

Jokes on them though, the game will still exist to be played and compared to Pokemon.

[@jjfenn-b4r]

Those patents are very recent. Generally you can't patent something that already exists. So this is interesting.

[@Big-daddy-carbink]

I am a Pokemon fan and i think this is absolutely stupid got damn Nintendo being scummy as usual

[@fertileplanet7756]

When it comes to a patent lawsuit, Nintendo doesn't have any reason to sue Pocketpair. Palworld has much more in common with Ark than Pokemon, so if anyone sues for patent infringement (which nobody should), it should be Wildcard, not Nintendo.

[@bleakautomaton4808]

Pkmn's $30 DLC. Thirty dollars! Oh but for two games that's $60! For rushed, buggy stuff that wasn't early access. The S/V games are fine, Legends was fun as much as people complained about the stylized graphics not looking good, but the argument that "people will buy it anyway" has been around for several pkmn games now. With some competition, that argument will still be there, and maybe a few people will expect more than "hey PocketPair you made a bunch of money, now give us a cut or else. Signed, Pokemon."

[@KoshTimeStepper]

I'm refusing to by their next installment of Legends because I have a bad feeling that it'll be lower quality than the first, also I CBA playing through it for a handful of new or regional monsters. I loved Pokemon but these last few main games have declined in quality and playabilty. S/V stuttered so much on my Switch I honestly thought it would crash and it did on many occasion. Now I have no respect for them nor will I buy their games until they stop their childish tantrums and money grabbing left, right and centre and actually make their games better to play.

[@xMarvin732]

S/V was one of the worst Pokemon Games. Super Laggy, the mentioned bugs from other people (which i didnt really get) ugly graphics in terms of no anti aliasing, cut content from previous games..

[@bleakautomaton4808]

@@xMarvin732 It's annoying that content/features get cut between games so often. No following Pokemon in different games, cut contests (which some argue they didn't like anyway), diving, Poke Amie was a big favorite (washing pkmn is sorta close but not really), and more. People keep up to date lists of lost features that people enjoyed.

[@whitedragonzerureusu4480]

Dlc is $50 in my country... The games themselves are $82 or $83

[@RitoReyes2033]

this is crazy that they are mad at palworld for just being good at what they did.. its weird that they did that to them.. it feels like Nintendo is bullying them. They aren't even being clear on what they are suing them for.. its just annoying but i feel like Nintendo will win this lawsuit due to them being a big company.. i hope they dont win but if they do could mean the end of palworld

[@Nowaylarry]

That is largely how large companies operate. If you can stomp out competition you do so, morality be damned. As the consumer the only thing we can do is choose who we give out money to.

[@RitoReyes2033]

@@Nowaylarry exactly I haven't played a Pokémon game in years even decades. But palworld has been a breath of fresh air.. sucks that they salty that palworld did well. Hopefully palworld wins this but who knows what will happen Pokémon really sucks for this and definitely nintendo.. looks even more shady. It's really hoping to turn of some people from them.. especially due to there money 💰 issues with a game patient 😒 🙄 😑

[@OvercomeFir]

They have no ground there are games that are almost carbon copies of Pokémon like TemTem. Yet they target pal world is messed up they even said they wouldn’t add some pals code they were to similar, They also didn’t give any reason as to what they’re infringing upon so unhinged. Nintendo are so far gone from reality. I would be more sympathetic if they made good games still but all I hear about them is how they ruined peoples lives over small things like making fan games.

[@electrobob992]

Plus other games have similar mechanics even without being clones. The mount system for example. Games like Minecraft, Red Dead Redemption, Elder Scrolls, heck even GTA. *Vehicles are still mounts*

[@SOUPC3086]

In which pokemon game can you shoot a mawile with a fucking ak47

[@draycephantom9940]

This is a typical big company bullying a smaller company…

[@DonkeyzEatSoup]

yeah the situation is crazy, hope palworld makes it out alive

[@sparkflames_ao]

Your not over thinking it Mega, Nintendo and the Pokemon company have been prolific for sending out lawsuits in recent times, and it's becoming an absolute bore... They act as though the idea of monster catching games is their right to defend when it's simply a genre of game... I hope they realise that after this; they'll have a large group of haters who will boycott their products, I will be one of them. They have chosen not to improve on their mistakes in recent years of Pokemon games and I myself am sick of buying these games from them, and seemingly expecting a thrilling experience, and receive nothing but crappy, glitchy, broken gameplay. With Palworld it's expected, for goodness sake it is still in early access, and runs better than the most recent Pokemon switch games... Some of us are simply blinded by nostalgia, especially the fan boys screaming for Palworld to be cancelled, for pocketpair to be bankrupt... This is what happens when you don't listen to your audience and they turn their back on you for a new competitor, they're just sore arsed about it. If I am not mistaken, the creators of Pokemon even wrote out a statement about how most of the audience's ideas are 'silly', and the company laughs it all off with each other, insulting the very people that helped Pokemon grow since the beginning. Don't bite the hand that feeds you Nintendo.

[@ElliotRankin-lu3jf]

I don’t think this is going to work out well for Nintendo

[@Basilbasilisk]

Nintendo is like the eyes from little nightmares lol

[@Megabits]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Zero_two020]

I love Pokemon but I despise Nintendo, just a big scummy corporation

[@Obsidianoak]

Well. You will get no torches or pitchforks from me. Though i may incur a few myself with this comment 1) if it has taken this long to come up with "multiple infringements" just how hard did you have to try to make a case? Seems more like intimdation hoping PP caves and pays up to avoid court. 2) as someone who has played both games and some survival/ city management / rpgs ect Palword is MUCH closer to a survival game than pokemon. With strong resource management requirements Pokemon is much closer to Yu-Gi-Oh or other games of that vein. In morse recent years it has taken on what I would call "zelda" or Final Fantasy elements. RNG spin the wheel luck game. Yah it's been added on too over the years but there is a reason i never really pursued pokemon past my first 30min of game play: " All garnish no meat" as a certain character in another game once said. Palworld has much more to it in my opinion. If Pokemon can make the changes to transition from their origional style to what it is now *which uses the ideas of multiple other games * and not pay for infringement Palworld should also be able to borrow/ use an idea from various sources without penalty. 3) this is a slippery slope in both directions. On the one hand no one should be able to copy your work an pass it off as their own. On the other we are defining what is "owned" by these companies - where does that line fall for different enough? Will anything be different enough if someone else got there first? This could end Indy developers over time If new ideas and innovation is not allowed to exist and we will continue to have overpriced crap that doesn't get fixed ever (save for modders) looking at you Bathesda. Companies that don't listen to fans and milk overpriced subscriptions/microtransactions and abondon thier games.... rock star..... There are many more fails in gaming when greed is involved. To me this is Nintendo's greed. No case. Just hoping to get the other guy to surrender

[@maimaisims]

Palworld is an amazing game. I loved it. And bought it when getting into more games knowing id love it due to the comparisons of pokemon.... Competition is healthy..pokemon ripped off dragon quest... 🤷🏼‍♀️ I loved both Pokémon and Digimon as a kid. And i love Pokémon and palworld too as an adult.

[@KoshTimeStepper]

Maybe Dragon Quest should sue Pokemon? Y'know since some designs are similar, etc. It does sound like they're jealous that an indie company can do a better job at a monster catching game that has Valheim/Ark elements among other things. I guess that some Pokemon players like myself feel that Palworld is alot better and not the samey offerings that have Pokemon have served us that has declined over the years and the others just want no competition to their beloved Pokemon franchise even though it's a buggy and slow heap of trash, especially with the latest installment. I loved Pokemon but I have become jaded with the same old and there's no freshness of going to a new region with just new monsters always has filler monsters from other regions that keep you playing to fill in a dex. I'm bitter, yes but I'm disappointed in Nintendo and Pokemon Company for trying to stomp on smaller companies so they can be the sole 'monster battler/catcher series' when Dragon Quest did it first .

[@stormeel369]

i wonder when nintendo is gonna go after ark since they all want to go after games that are similar

[@cuddlecakes7153]

I dont like Palworld. The Human Models blend HORRIBLY with the cute Pal models. BUT.. this os wrong. I don't like Nintendo even more than i already did

[@duduvec5971]

Nintendo will keep overstepping on people's other people's spaces just like back when they flagged people for playing nintendo games back then. What i hate the most is that after some backlash people will keep sucking nintendo's toes untill they get full of themselves again and the cycle will repeat. Even nintendo (not all of them but a sizeable ammount) yearned for palworld to be sued and i'm 100% certain that it helps making nintendo wantint to go into action.

[@cawingcrows2072]

They what

[@hunter-yb7zk]

everyone keep an eyes out for the go fund me we will save palworld

[@alzack8445]

How greedy do you want to be? Nintendo: YES

[@slowbro15]

"Damages Done"

[@Burningziller]

PUMP OUT CONTENT BEFORE ITS ALL GONE 🔥

[@HighUpInTheSkye]

I've always loved pokemon, ever since I was little, playing even the first games on my brother's gameboy after firered and leafgreen had already came out.... But the last years I am slowly losing respect for the company behind it, taking down pokemon fangames, made by fans who are not monetizing on it, just showing appreciation to something they love and now sueing palworld. Pokemon should not have a monopoly, it will force them to put more work into their games and up the quality.

[@running4joy873]

kongrats on 10k megabits

[@Chnmmr]

Interesting to see how the assumption is Nintendo is in the wrong. Despite no one knowing what the case is about, not even Pocketpair, the assumption is simply that Nintendo is wrong.

[@scaw1499]

I pirated all my Pokémon games anyway

[@SydneyPawYT]

i also wanna point out patents stop indie game devs from actually experimenting with different mechanics and systems if nintendo has patent'd the monster catching gimick it can spell doom for alot of other mechanics they have made over the years completely stripping devs of creativity and freedom this has already happened with the nemesis patent patented by warnderbrothers so now no game can ever use that system unless they get a legal liscence this is a major issue if nintendo can weave this against indie game devs to stop them from makimg more popular games then they do like in this case palworld

[@AmerdaMysteryOfficial]

Love both games. Infact palworld was what made me enjoy Pokemon again. Looks like pokemon will go back in the closet if they win this. I dont want a closed market for these kinds of games, I was excited by it being open now!

[@Zephyrt3mp3st]

Pokemon doesn't have a patent on "monster collectors" nor does it have a patent on survival games. Boycott Nintendo until they back down?

[@Octobris]

Nintendo is really speedrunning destroying their reputation. Competing with EA over the title of the worst game company? Okay.

[@TEW58_De_Bluey]

If it is the catching creatures with objects that you pull out from a computer, if that is the thing, then why aren't they going after Ark Survival Evolved?

[@TEW58_De_Bluey]

I said this on Mutahar's vid too

[@Badmax0505]

Not a Pokemon fan. Never played Pokemon games. And with this lawsuit, confirmed my decision to not even look into Nintendo games.

[@Kat-hh2hu]

I feel like palworld shouldn’t be sued because it’s not like it’s the only game that has a Pokémon like capturing system, also I feel like the designs are different enough than Pokémon, also I feel like palworld is closer to ark than Pokémon so I feel like Nintendo has no right to sue, but if palworld goes down we riot!

[@Kat-hh2hu]

Like seriously what the hell pokemon •~•

[@calebdelacruz3925]

This will be interesting cause palworld is extremely different from Pokémon and other than a few character comparisons there is nothing but have y'all seen the new game preview called "auroria" like what boy

[@theclowningduo7507]

I like how it's added about the pokemon company involved , when the first time Nintendo tried to use the Pokemon company told em basically oh well and left it at that , Nintendo has nothing to do with Pokemon

[@Megabits]

You understand that Nintendo is a part owner of Pokemon Company, right?

[@theclowningduo7507]

@@Megabits no your half right , they partnered with the pokemon company , the pokemon company has final say not Nintendo

[@theclowningduo7507]

@@Megabits and what your talking about is pokemon is licensed through Nintendo they're not owners

[@Megabits]

Dawg, look at Google please "Unlike most IPs, which are owned by one company, Pokémon is jointly owned by three: Nintendo, Game Freak, and Creatures."

[@emeraldguy10]

Nintendo owns the Pokemon Company. It's just a sub company. It's literally just the merchandising and licensing branch of Nintendo's pokemon wing.

[@yuehonda]

I've had some people say some nasty stuff to me over me liking palworld and simply saying its more like ark than it is pokemon. I've played pokemon most of my life but I'm not going to defend it, pokemon died for me after X and Y and the cult members (fans) are so out of touch its insane. Most think this is over AI and designs and if you tell them its some mechanic they tell you you're wrong because the game is a pokemon copy. I'd like some pokemon fanboy to point me in the direction of the pokemon game that allows me to butcher pokemon I don't like or need resources from, show me the pokemon game where I'm building a base with guild mates and eating the local pokemon, I'd like to catch the bad guys instead of beating them in a battle and then put them in a homemade prison what pokemon game can I do that in? There are similarities yes but fundamentally they are very VERY different games and honestly I'm glad I haven't supported pokemon or nintendo in years. Pokemon fans gotta realize its ok to have different monster catcher games and its ok to dislike new pokemon games, the pokemon and nintendo overlords aren't going to come get you.

[@Piper0185]

They will win against Nintendo. Patents are hard to enforce with video games, near impossible. Nintendo just trying to pressure a bit. If they were gonna try anything it would be IP infringement and they haven't meaning they have nothing really.

[@57spitfire57]

patents are dumb. we should all be able to steal and better anything that exists. thats how humanity betters itself. shouldnt be allowed to own anything that isnt a tangible and real item

[@Mika-elShenGaming]

they are cry baby that is all so they telling us you cannot do anything resemble a dog or a mouse

[@yoshicrafter7608]

I like both, but hot take.... i think Palworld could have avoided this easily. There are so many designs in the game that clearly look originally made, but thats only half of them. The other half is filled with pokemon copies or combos. They very clearly have enough creativity to make completely new designs... and for some reason they let themselves down.

[@emeraldguy10]

A shame pal designs have nothing to do with this lawsuit. The designs could have all been 100% original and unique. Nintendo doesn't care that Palworld is aesthetically similar in some ways to Pokemon, they care that it's market competition and may impact the sales of new pokemon games, like the open world one slated for release next year. Pokemon Legends ZA.

[@megaman37456]

@@emeraldguy10 I can say right now if Nintendo doesn't drop this suit in 3 weeks, I won't even pirate legends ZA, I won't buy it, I won't support it, I won't even talk about it.

[@emeraldguy10]

@@megaman37456 Agreed, without a shadow of a doubt. I'll be doing exactly the same.

[@yoshicrafter7608]

@@emeraldguy10if the pal designs were not somewhat similar in some ways, then nintendo could not do a lawsuit my guy

[@emeraldguy10]

@@yoshicrafter7608 They aren't suing over character design. Character designs are subject to copyright. It would be a lawsuit over copyright infringement if that was the case. You can sue people for more than just copyright infringement. This is a PATENT lawsuit. It has nothing to do with designs, and everything to do with their patents on certain mechanics and gameplay features.

[@wartoaster3908]

ugh this is just pathetic bruh

[@MitternachtssternXIII]

nintendo is just pathetic at this point

[@MitternachtssternXIII]

i wont buy any nintendo related game ever again ill just emulate them for free now xD

[@MrBandit972]

Its an A.I game made off pokemon. Thats what you guys dont get

[@megaman37456]

Except there's never been any evidence of Pal World being AI made off pokemon, try harder Nintentard.

[@Danny43716]

failed ragebait

[@Feliciathedoll]

@@megaman37456 Cringe for the slur.

[@RaurosGreyed]

Long live Pokémon :) You go get em'!

[@megaman37456]

Nintendo doesn't have a case, this is about patents, not copyright, Nintendo is simply using intimidation tactics and abusing Japanese copyright law, as usual, to bully a small developer that can be considered legitimate competition. What they failed to realize, and why they will lose, is that Pocket Pair has the backing of both Microsoft and Sony.