THE PENGUIN SPOILER DISCUSSION | Double Toasted

[@JaxBlade]

Had to restart up the Arkham Games and🥊 let out some steam🥊 on the fat bastard after that ending lmaoo

[@josephdent6825]

Hey I know that guy 👀👀

[@Kelly-np2xq]

Think I might do the same tbh 😂

[@tsheporabekane4172]

😂😂😂

[@petewashington32]

Downloading now 😂

[@christophermorris6152]

SAME

[@michaelstrong5383]

Out of all of Batman's villains, I wasn't expecting a show about the Penguin to be so compelling and amazing, but I was really surprised. Colin Farrell and Cristin Milioti are both fantastic, and Rhenzy Feliz as Vic was the heart and soul of it all.

[@Linklex7]

People forget there’s a reason why Penguin is still considered one of the big 4 Batman villains (Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, and Riddler), at least to casual fans. Just cause Penguin isn’t crazy like the joker or have these insane mass murder schemes like Ra’ Al Ghul doesn’t mean he ain’t a threat or evil. Penguin mostly deals with regular crime, and regular crime is still devastating to its victims.

[@Revealingstorm.]

That ending was such a gut punch

[@vaneflowverse2805]

I know I wasn't the only one who got choked up.

[@GrandeTheftDesperado]

Right dude I was wanking it and had the ep playing in the background. I had to stop mid stroke when that was going down.

[@JonJayAllDay]

Fr like I finally took a breathe and was happy my boy Vic made it and they snatched that shit from all us at the 10 yard line lmao

[@chrvaloandkids4390]

I did not see it coming until it got a little too loving. I would say about a minute before it happened. I said out loud he's going to kill him.

[@michaelstrong5383]

Reminds me of The Sopranos where Tony killed Christopher. The only difference was that Vic was a good and loyal kid.

[@atheozrevenge]

That last scene with his mom was heartbreaking. She asked Oz to kill her if the disease will take her, because she doesn't want to live in that state. But Oz kept her alive alone and miserable in that tower.

[@MentLeee]

I didn’t think about this at the moment. After I was reminded of that promise it’s terrible he would do that to her.

[@EGO_D3VTH]

I forgot about that promise he made! That makes the scene where she sheds a tear in the bed so much more horrible.

[@Hellstar_Yemaya]

What got me was what Vic’s actor Rhenzy pointed out that a few episodes ago Penguin told Vic they’re gonna remember our names for a long time and now after Penguin threw his ID in the water, Vic will probably always just be an unidentified dead body. With all his family and friends gone, no one will ever even know who he was.

[@BlackHippy313]

I instantly picked up on that. That was penguins whole motif when talking too people, being remembered. He probably is gonna forget about him Atwell

[@Hellstar_Yemaya]

@ I’m postive Penguin will forget about Victor. It makes me wonder if he’s done this with other kids before or if anything that he said to Victor was real or all just lies to gain his trust and loyalty.

[@Don.M.]

Vic should’ve listened to Graciela…😢

[@Hellstar_Yemaya]

@ yep it just makes me think of when he was telling his Dad he should want more out of life and his Dad was like we already have enough. Graciela could have been enough but Vic couldn’t see that and he had to find out that all that glitters isn’t gold. Just sad because it really imitates real life for a lot of young boys/ girls growing up in underserved communities

[@juiceekay7428]

DNA Testing exists but they’ll never know it was Oz.

[@christophergarrett7082]

This show is how you do a villain story. In the end, it makes it very clear that the penguin is a monster who only cares about power. He even betrayed his own mother. He did her the worst took away her other children cause he only wanted her attention. Left her as a vegetable. This show truly shows you that the gangster world of Gotham is a dog eat dog world

[@GladwinAbel]

The penguin is not a trickster like joker, not as smart as riddler and not a strong as bane. In fact he’s not exceptionally good at any physical traits, he’s just an extremely desperate monster that will do anything to get to the top leaving a trail of bodies of friends, family and innocents. A rat, snake, scum he’s just all the most terrible traits in one man that everyone underestimated.

[@Mrntl2014]

​@GladwinAbel he's still smart

[@Danjoker.]

You can never trust a penguin, they're too cold 🐧

[@mrlennydominguez]

Danny Devito Was Good At The Penguin in Batman Returns

[@DTCAllOver]

🥁

[@Coffeewiththegods]

BOOOO! 🍅 🍅 🍅 lol

[@CosmicSpaceBaby]

This comment is underrated 😂😂😂

[@problak202]

GOAT comment 😂🔥

[@DarkSoldat66]

The Maronis weren’t speaking Italian. They were speaking Farsi.

[@ChrisMorganComedy]

Thanks for that info cuz I was tripping out.. I knew they weren't speaking Italian

[@hellsapoppin9326]

Korey being like "dont call it a comic book thing its gritty and gangsta" is giving "theyre not dolls theyre action figures"

[@robchuk4136]

😂

[@josephdent6825]

Penguin thinking that all of Gotham is his and no one can stop him. Batman: Did you forget about Me??

[@ameliacraiig4193]

Ikr! Reap VENGEANCE on that piece of sh*t!

[@Linklex7]

Crown Point: I don’t know. It seems like you forgot about us this entire series. Sophia committed a terrorist attack killing people and you still disappeared.

[@bensneb360]

I hope Colin Ferrell, Cristin Milioti, and Deirdre O'Connell all get Emmy nominations because they all absolutely kill it in their roles

[@wiinterflowers4277]

The makeup artist should get some gold too. Same with the kid who played Vic and the showrunner too.

[@MarioBario]

No love for Rhenzy Feliz? That's almost as cold as Victor's corpse

[@juiceekay7428]

@@MarioBario”The awards weren’t for nuttin’ Vic.”

[@Sergio-bh7cu]

Francis's tear absolutely should NOT be taken either way, and in no circumstance should you assume she got what she wanted. Several episodes prior she straight up told Oz to kill her if she lost her mind completely. She was deathly adraid of being trapped comatose, which is what happened to her. Oz responded to her request with complete denial, so of course he ignores what she wanted and selfishly keeps her alive at the end. That's what makes her tear so tragic, she's in a state of constant torture

[@AlphaAceEX]

i mean its pretty clear by the way she makes eve to imitate her mother that he just deluded himself to think otherwise, even though he knows deep down that his mother would never look at him again.

[@TheKawaiikari]

100%. But I'd go further and say he doesn't just ignore her, he purposefully does this to her because of his new knowledge of her trying to get rid of him as a kid. He says in the scene "you feel better? You look better" knowing she looks and feels absolutely shit. But I agree, she's being tortured.

[@Silas_Kow]

I mean if she ain't there, she ain't there. She ain't paralyzed, she is in a vegetative state

[@mofish8925]

What he did to Vic was unredeemable. Killed him, emptied his wallet(as if he needed the money), then just threw his body away AFTER taking his ID. That was fd up.

[@Philbert-s2c]

True but then again, that was the point. When he faces off against The Batman in the next film, the audience won't have any divided loyalties.

[@UbinTimor]

Oz taking the money in Vic's wallet serves a greater purpose than him just taking back petty cash. Killing someone and emptying the contents of their wallet has been a trick that killers use in order to dissuade police investigations into homicides. It tricks the police into believing that a dead body that was found was a simple case of a robbery gone sideways causing them to devote less resources into finding the killer. The case has even less of a chance of staying open when the victim is colored and more so for a person in Vic's position: A low income high school drop out with no immediate family displaced by a disaster with no permanent address and no identification would immediately be labeled as a victim of "gang violence" in any police investigation- especially in a city like Gotham. Given that the Gotham PD is also in line with crime families, it's safe to say that they wouldn't even lift a finger to investigate especially when it could expose any sort of corruption. Gotham PD would slap the "John Doe" label on Vic, label his death as gang related, and use his empty wallet as justification to close the case as fast as possible as to not "waste any more of police's precious time." There are so many cases out there where this has happened especially when the police department is so incompetent that they even become a suspect in the victim's case when their family used their own resources to hire private investigators and get reports from secondary sources such as autopsies that contradict and sometimes expose cover-ups in police investigations.

[@happyreally5313]

What you expect a nice funeral. Get over yourself

[@ghostdog3566]

One thing I do like about Maroni having a heart attack is how it illustrates just how quickly he'll turn the narrative in his favor; he immediately put shells in him talmbout 'YEA TAKE THAT' & made a production of dumping him off the bus in front of everybody

[@daseancedoesgeek2667]

What’s crazy is that he promised his mom that he would kill her if she ever reached “that” point. He couldn’t even do the ONE thing she asked

[@cazprescott9]

He could. He wouldn't because she confessed that she hated him and wanted him dead when he was little for killing his brothers.

[@SpideySensei72]

People saying Vic should come back as Zsaz or the Red Hood sound dumb AF. Bringing him back would completely ruin the impact of watching Oz take his life so casually and then just leave him there like he was nothing. The final blow of robbing him and tossing his ID away as a final blow made it all the more impactful and heartbreaking.

[@LouisLitt369]

@@SpideySensei72 Redhood would be dumb but not Zsaz. If you don't see the poetry in that you shouldn't be commenting on this at all

[@randyj1988]

It’s obvious that he’s Zasz. The last half of the show showed him becoming more comfortable with killing, they spend a long time showing his first kill and how it impacts him. they showed him organizing criminals on his own. The main thing is that after Oz chokes Vic, Oz throws Vic’s I.D in the water and you see it go away, that’s symbolizing Victor Aguilar is gone and a new personality is coming from the depths. The point of the show is Oz has always been the way he is but he makes other people like him.

[@LouisLitt369]

@randyj1988 this is what I'm hoping but we can't confidently say that.

[@madlord124]

Vic would look so silly as Zaas, a bald head with tattoos would not look right

[@EzeICE]

​@randyj1988, he wasn't comfortable with killing. He killed Squid, but he was scared and felt he had no choice. He was just extremely loyal to Oz.

[@micrhymer4062]

He killed his brothers and thought he got away with it, why would anyone else be off limits?

[@kobrajr25]

Cause while it was psychotic and fucked up, u don’t pick ur family but as an adult he choose to let Vic in and give him wrong yet fatherly advise when he knew he had no one else cuz Vic reminded him of himself plus Vic essentially made him da new Falcone

[@thaistomp]

@@kobrajr25Fax. It made no sense to kill Victor other than shock value 💯

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@thaistomp It made prefect sense for Oz to kill him, Victor is liability to him, both emotionally and because he knows all of his secrets.

[@728GT]

Justice for Vic ✊🏾

[@jaythomas468]

I KNOWWWW, I can’t remember the LAST TIME a show or movie had me literally SQUIRMING IN MY CHAIR because I was SO UPSET and DISTURBED by what I was seeing.

[@JesusHChrist7777]

What made me mad was that Victor seen firsthand oz betray almost everybody he knew,he should’ve had his guard up

[@killmonger5097]

It’s wasn’t for nothing

[@fangal12]

@@JesusHChrist7777 In Vic's defense he saw him be loyal to his mother and to Eve so maybe he thought because they were like "family" that he could trust him. He doesn't know that Oz killed his own brothers

[@Micisme86]

Why? He literally chose this life and got ate up🤷‍♂️

[@KirkRedgate]

I didn’t think the Penguin would kill Vic. That was harsh and all the more genius for it. He fooled me, like everyone else on that show. Amazing finale.

[@krisj827]

I knew Oz would kill Vic from episode one.

[@KirkRedgate]

@krisj827 I know the Penguin is an evil villain, but I never expected him to strangle Vic to death. That was brutal. There was no motive that I could see until the act was done.

[@cooldrop02]

Same. I saw it coming especially since he has shown that he stacks what he thought to be failure against people. And then used those to justify his actions. ​@@krisj827

[@TBurr030]

I only knew because it’s a pretty common mob genre trope. Episode 1 I’m like this kids dead lol

[@KirkRedgate]

@@TBurr030 I had a feeling he would die, but not by Penguin's hands.

[@The_Phantasm]

I really love the show and how it reinforced that Penguin is not at all a misunderstood character. He's a vile monster. The only thing I would say didn't work for me is the character of Dr Julian Rush played by Theo Rossi. I didn't feel like the character was ultimately terribly necessary and often felt like he was there for the sake of being there. Also I think this might be a me thing, but I personally was actually hoping that Sofia would actually die in the end. That's because I'm honestly extremely exhausted of the Falcone family constantly being adapted in Batman media as opposed to actual Batman characters. The Falcones were always in the comics just a generic crime family from the olden days of Gotham that were there to show Batman transition from fighting regular gangsters to actual supervillains and yet we keep revisiting them. To me they are just placeholders for the real villains.

[@idakev]

Gangsters fit better for this type of show though.

[@PoyTroy]

He’s suppose to be the scarecrow

[@The_Phantasm]

@@PoyTroy No he's not. That's just fan speculation.

[@carnagerulez312]

Sofia is now tired to Catwoman and she's also back in Arkham, so she might be a long term character. She's too good at her job! 😂😂😂

[@Don.M.]

Man…that ending had me wanting to put on the bat suit and go beat Penguin to a pulp my damn self, lol. Amazing experience watching this season. So brutal

[@VWayyyyyyyy]

Why tho? 🤣 It's the Penguin.

[@stephanhenry9205]

Once Victor saw the Penguins Mom he never had a chance

[@BlackDogMizukage]

Yooo, that's a great point. Man took Vic to the CRIB

[@edkwon]

Yep, and Vic intimately knew Penguins greatest WEAKNESS, making him the greatest liability as well

[@stephanhenry9205]

@@edkwon yup and Vic can’t smash him like eve can so it was lights out for him

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

Victor would've been fine as long as Oz' mother hadn't gotten that stroke.

[@JukeTheRonin]

The Penguin is sick he had his girl dress up as his mom

[@michaelstrong5383]

Freud would have a field day with the Penguin.

[@DarkCreed]

And call him son. For all we know, they been doing this since they met.

[@ItsJustCartier]

That part made me want to throw up😂

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@DarkCreed They have definitely done that before. In E6, when Sofia asked Eve what Oz likes, she avoided the question and just said: "Oz is not that complicated." That's because Oz likes her to dress up as Francis, and telling her this would reveal to Sofia that Oz' mom was still alive.

[@curtisharris966]

I applaud Matt Reeves for not going the anti hero route. Oz is full heel. The devil. No wonder Batman gets on. Red alert when shows up.

[@keijijohnson9754]

I remember seeing on Twitter a bit before the series premiered that there was this article somewhere where it consisted of I think Colin Ferrrel himself warning people not to root for him throughout he. Like he was trying to warn us that by the end of this we'll end up hating him more and more by the end of this. After this finale's ending, that warning was more justified than ever. I can see why he put that out beforehand after what Oswald did in these last few episodes.

[@amarcellus1714]

After that ending there was one quote that stuck out to me "I'll break every bone in your body Cobblepot".

[@persianking44]

Part of the reason why Oswald managed to fool a lot of people, in-universe and the audience, is the fact that he is largely lying to himself. Everything he ever said about his brothers, Vic, his mom, wanting to get back at the rich and powerful, and wanting lower class people to be treated like equals by the upper echelons of Gotham, he genuinely believed.....but he's in denial about himself. Every person he ever killed, whether they were just a gang member or mobster or social elite, it wasn't about anything as noble as he sold it as. It was all about control, and him getting back at anyone who ever disrespected him. And it's why this show is so fantastic, and why Oz is such an interesting villain protagonist.

[@AlphaAceEX]

my brother, he lied to people directly to their faces like countless times throughout the episodes. theres no deeper psychonanalysis to be had other than you turning your brain off when you are watching the show.

[@Okkotsu86275]

One of the things l love about this series is that they didn't try to humanize or do the whole misunderstood villain thing. Even if Oz did have things, we the audience could emphasize and sympathize with. It was quick snuff out by him being a repugnant monster and scumbag. And I loved it. Also, Cristin Milioti is a force.

[@youngrootv]

Yeah I’m with Martin. Most, if not all, Batman villains deserve to be locked away and I’m glad the show kept that energy.

[@CarlieGuss]

A history of violence was a comic book as well. Here's the great thing about comics (and manga).... they can be any genre you enjoy

[@Jovenza2]

It wasn't surprising what Oz did at the end, but with his mother "gone", Vic was the last person who could see him like how Oz saw Rex, and that's why I thought he would have kept him along. However, as the last episode went, I guess Oz realized he doesn't want that weakness and lose end that could be used against him again.

[@chrvaloandkids4390]

I disagree with you guys on Sophia. I think Sophia was the tragic person we thought Oz was. We thought that there was some type of background or backstory that made Oz become what he is but he's just who he is all on his own. Sophia was a good person who watched her mother swinging from a ceiling, finding out her father killed her mother then having her father betray her and essentially losing her mind. She had the backstory that shows why she is what she is. And this is a little off the subject but damn there is something that is so sexy to me about her

[@michaelstrong5383]

While I didn't condone all the stuff Sophia did throughout the series, I completely sympathized and understood why she did what she had to do. Also, I agree that Cristin Milioti is pretty cute. I've been a fan of her since How I Met Your Mother, and I'm glad she's rightfully praised for her performance here.

[@Tre.Anthony2025-g4z]

She still committed an act of terrorism by destroying a whole city block

[@NoSyrupLeft]

@@Tre.Anthony2025-g4z yeah she also blew a teenagers head off with no remorse. She is much more sympathetic than Oz and you could argue she is a product of her environment but she still does evil stuff. Oz is just a demon and has been since he was a kid.

[@ghostdog3566]

As good as someone can be that's poised to takeover the biggest crime family in Gotham but to your point; facts (& yea she sexy af)

[@weirddeck4193]

See that last sentence tells me all I need to know, and while I do agree with that I can’t agree with her being tragic. I should say I don’t find her life tragic after she’s sent to Arkham. She killed multiple people who didn’t deserve it, she made her niece Gia an orphan in Gotham city, and she blew up a city block.

[@BruiserBane]

OK, so no one is mentioning this this version of the penguin. He is very strong. He carried his mom over his shoulder while shooting he threw Falcone down the stairs. He’s got a Warriors body. He’s fat but he’s got a Warriors body. He is strong. He’s not just some flabby fat guy he’strong.

[@claycrawford7]

There was also a clever misdirection with the whole Eve & Oz’s mom looking alike. In Oz’s flashback to them dancing, you see the club singer and she looks similar to Eve in the first half with her other wigs, so that’s probably his justification for the attraction.

[@Rqarte626]

I never scream " YOU'RE PIECE OF SHHHTTT" at the screen during movies/series !! Even homelander couldn't make me yelled that!! But mannn this does, and my heart really bopping during the choke out session! JUSTICE FOR VIC , penguin, I couldn't wait for battinson to beat you ..

[@chrvaloandkids4390]

I don't think I changed up on a character so quickly. I went from feeling a little sorry for him to saying you motherfucker, out loud lol

[@jarrodedson5441]

Me to same same, homelander never made me that angry

[@sebastiansuazo2734]

@@jarrodedson5441 mainly because the showrunners pussied out of making him the monster he was supposed to be just to hamfist yet another "society makes us bad and evil and siniter and diabolical" message and what not, i mean, can you believe they actually tried to make butcher killing victoria a "bad guy" moment ??

[@JohnnyJustice777]

​​@@sebastiansuazo2734the issue is that, I never really found any of the "protagonists" compelling except Butcher. It was like Homelander vs a bunch of liberal snowflakes, with the exception of butcher. So, while Homelander is clearly the villain, I wanted him to torch those mfs. Seriously, 4 seasons in and I don't even know what Mother's Milk is doing in that team. He was there in all 4 seasons and I still don't give a crap about him

[@chandraray7798]

The reason why vic's death was the tipping point for a lot of people (as opposed to the other cutthroat/ backstabbing moments the penguin did) was he was kind of the stand in for the viewer. Most people ain't used to the penguin's world, he was babyface that's getting introduced to it and going along for the ride. He admired the penguin because of his craftiness and charisma. Him dying was like the penguin killing the viewer. And unfortunately, the realization came too late for the viewer and for vic.

[@AlphaAceEX]

youd think he will have more development with him feeling guilt over squids death and his girlfriend leaving him but nah, he just ded

[@chandraray7798]

@ Well he made his decision to leave his girlfriend. And squids death wash shocking to him but by this point he already saw the bodies stacked that his boss was responsible for.

[@Linklex7]

Plus despite trying to steal Penguin’s tires, Vic is the only good person on the show. Everyone is evil and rotten. Yes, Sophia is too.

[@timglover31]

Eve's last name is Karlo. She looks like his mom at the end cause it's possible that she's Clayface. Who's name is Basil Karlo in the comics. "I'm whoever they need me to be."

[@tsheporabekane4172]

I think that she is a homage to Basil Karlo, or his mother... We shall see...

[@DarkCreed]

People changing their name all the time nowadays. So Eve could be Karlo.

[@milespannell6266]

Martin is right on point! I was surprised and not surprised at Oz killing Vic. The best thing about this is Penguin being a true villain. Non redeemable and someone we like but not be fooled by

[@AlphaAceEX]

i dont think hes even likable, hes pretty pathetic by episode 3 onwards. Like a snake all around but you see it through and through.

[@milespannell6266]

@AlphaAceEX He has good moments where it "seems" he genuinely cares about people. But I think the show does best by showing at the end of the day he'll look out for himself first.

[@_CPerk]

They really killed this series. Acting, writing and direction were all top tier. I love how grounded the series was, for Gotham before Batman really gets going. No super villains, no crazy inventions. Just the mob, d rug dealing, violence. Classic HBO mix for a good show.

[@AllInTheGame01]

Big s/o to the cast & crew led by showrunner Lauren LeFranc as well as Colin Farrell, Cristin Milioti, Rhenzy Feliz & Deirdre O'Connell as Penguin's mum who all knocked it out of the park!

[@OrionInSpace]

The mark of a really good screenplay for a television show or movie is that you can become so distracted that you forget what it is exactly you’re following and it shocks you. That’s how you do the subversion of expectation. Everyone kept forgetting we were following a true villain and bad guy… and then he goes and does what he did to Vic and we all collectively lose our minds.

[@Rhetnal]

It's ironic Oz killed Vic when Eve was the one who sold him out to Sophia, leading to his mom being kidnapped. Vic wasn't the one who was his weakness.

[@Linklex7]

But Vic, he cared about and can be used as a weapon against him. Even Eve knew Penguin didn’t care for her and her drop her in a heartbeat. I feel like she’s only still alive as long as she can keep playing his mom. The moment that’s over with, he’ll get rid of her too

[@jaythomas468]

This series was AMAZING but the end of the last episode had me SO EFFED UP that I had to go to sleep right afterwards (and PROBABLY STILL ended up lying awake staring at the ceiling FOR A WHILE).

[@gbengaomowa7769]

10:35 The lights back on is always funny cause people thought he did it for his ma. But he did it for Bliss, the drug operation

[@shinjiikari1989]

Watching the end of Vic I thought maybe that Vic was going to be Oz’s right hand man

[@drebone1986]

26:38 y'all forgot how ruthless he really is because Francis asks him earlier that if she's a vegetable just kill her to show her some sympathy and he promises to do it but now she's stuck in Hell because he's so selfish

[@CodeDusq1]

I hope they don’t make the Batman sequel a musical.

[@josephdent6825]

Matt wouldn’t go for that

[@michaelstrong5383]

Matt Reeves isn't petty like Todd Phillips.

[@nont18411]

And Batman getting gang-r*ped in prison

[@michaelstrong5383]

@@nont18411 I still think Todd Phillips stole that from Zack Snyder's own idea for a Batman movie.

[@VWayyyyyyyy]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Def not. Now we hope get another good Batman score for the Soundtrack

[@AlphaAceEX]

I dont get whats so jawdropping about the ending when oz is clearly a psychopath by the end with no excuses.

[@ElToro6647]

Batman said in the movie. He’s one man and Gotham is so big. Also said at the end crime is getting worse. He’s a busy guy. Explains the why he wasn’t there.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Gotham: Where’s Batman?! Batman: People, I literally spent the last few weeks trying to track down a serial killer and stopping his overly complicated plot that involved the city getting flooded. I don’t have the time or energy for this Crime Family drama.

[@michaelstrong5383]

"For five minutes, Gotham. Could you not have something bad happen in the town *_FOR FIVE MINUTES?!!"_*

[@elijaharvinger1178]

Bro there's a literal gang war in the streets of Gotham. Multiple mob related hits and shootouts. Three crime bosses were killed within weeks of each other. And entire crime family dead from a suspicious gas leak.There's a new drug on the street. Yeah these are things that could use a little attention from batman. I mean a drug lab exploded in the middle of the city and opened up a giant sinkhole ffs. Wasn't batman beating street thugs half to death in the subway in The Batman??

[@elijaharvinger1178]

There's a completely new drug on the street and crime bosses are dropping left and right. 🔫 fights between crews and a drug lab exploded leaving a giant sinkhole in the middle of the city. I'd say for a guy who was beating up common street thugs in The Batman his presence is sorely missed.

[@MarioBario]

The whole point of Batman is that he never quits. The timeline in the penguin show is at least 1 month. You telling me Batman couldnt have shown up, at all? Matt Reeves better give a beyond good reason why Batman didn't show up.

[@tapset]

The bomb also went off in daylight. Batman doesn't really go out during the daytime to avoid looking like an ass

[@Cognizant1]

Sal was taking heart pills in earlier episodes and got stabbed in the gut pretty viciously. That heart attack was unexpected, but it was actually set-up and logical for the moment.

[@daseancedoesgeek2667]

I also see the Vic thing as him seeing the one thing that could slightly humanize him and Oz saw that as weakness, And to rule Gotham He needs to be 100% ruthless, but he couldn’t do that with Vic because it was making him softer.

[@Linklex7]

Yeah same here. If he just saw Vic as a regular henchman who helped him out a lot, he wouldn’t have killed him. He’s an asset. However, if other criminals see him as family and a weakness to exploit, they will. Just like with his mom.

[@bensneb360]

The Penguin is kind of like Homelander, both want love and praise, but don’t know how to reciprocate it and just sort of leach it off others for their own gratification

[@chandraray7798]

Penguin is capable of respecting people. He just the type of roach that doesn't let that stop him from clawing his way to the top.

[@SwiftyMcGee118mate]

Everyone points to the Bomb explosion and Sophia murdering her family to highlight that she's a bad person even though she shot a teenage boy in the face at the end of the first episode 😂

[@AlphaAceEX]

well those are more heinous by comparison.

[@Linklex7]

@@AlphaAceEXI think the point he’s trying to make is that Sophia has been a monster since episode 1. She may not be more evil than Penguin, but she is in no way a sympathetic anti-hero.

[@AlphaAceEX]

@Linklex7 imagine being tortured near death for years by getting framed by your whole family. Id say its a pretty valid excuse to get this unhinged. Eh ig you just built different, so you totally wont become like her, right?

[@SwiftyMcGee118mate]

@@AlphaAceEX I know a girl who was tortured for ten years for the exact same thing and she turned out fine.

[@AlphaAceEX]

@@SwiftyMcGee118mate cool story mate, we all stood up and clapped

[@TheBatman514]

@32:30 he's been recovering from being..... Shot point blank, electrocuted while falling from the 4th floor, and w.e dope he shot himself with. He also has multiple concussions and a terrible sleeping schedule, so recovery will be even harder

[@chrisb7831]

I guess my question is at what point did Oz decide to kill Victor? I don't think he decided until his meeting with the councilman.

[@trepacer]

I think he always was planning to kill Vic - Vic knew all of his secrets & also just like the other # 2s took out their bosses - he didn;t want to give Vic the chance to one day do that to him. Oswald was always thinking ten steps ahead.

[@freddied8479]

Yeah it was the councilman. He told Oz that he had to be "clean," Vic was the only person who knew everything. He was a loose end

[@chrislaurent1137]

Leverage is one of the greatest trump cards in the Criminal Underworld whether it's family, friends, important documents, or recordings meant to be private. If you got the right leverage, those people who want you dead would make a deal that'll keep you alive and thrive in such an environment. They're at your mercy but you're at their mercy as well if they find the right leverage to use against you.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@trepacer As long as his mother still needed care, he would keep Vic alive.

[@Linklex7]

I think it was the moment he said they were family. Penguin wouldn’t just kill a random henchman who’s doing good work for him. However, if people think he cares for Vic, he becomes a weapon to be used against him. Just like his mom said. Sophia said it best, his best asset is he cares about nothing

[@melodik-jt]

I didn't think Penguin was going to end Vic, but I figured Vic showing him love was going to backfire. What's even more messed up is that instead of doing it quick and painless, he choked him out... I was totally shocked. People thought DeVitos Penguin was dark... i don't even know how to classify this . Devito's was done with some comedic notes, Colin's is straight psycho! I definitely am interested to see what happens next.

[@JohnnyJustice777]

I mean, Colin's penguin was also funny. But that was masking his sinister side

[@Deriv44]

My theory is Batman was busy with the court of Owls

[@tapset]

Gotham is such a dump there's a million things Batman could've been busy with

[@obmarte3803]

Here's a better theory... Oz will run for Mayor by rigging Bella Real's campaign.

[@reginaldanderson7609]

I enjoy every episode of The Penguin...Colin Farrell, Cristin Milioti & the rest of the cast were outstanding, also seeing the Bat signal in the end knowing I'm pumped for "The Batman" Pt 2.

[@cooldrop02]

The best love letter that penguin gave him, Victor, in the series, is when he let him go and he thought that he had lost. Victor could have left. Have left. But when he came back, when I saw him come back, I thought he made the worst decision. Because he wouldn't had to have worried about the penguin if he had just left. Because he would have been dead.

[@aurore-amour]

This show was wayyyy better than I expected it to be

[@marcushamner5994]

I like Rhenzy Feliz’s portrayal of Victor Aguilar. Rhenzy played Alex Wilder in Marvel’s The Runaways. He’s an excellent actor🤓👊🏾⚡️

[@cooldrop02]

I was waiting for Victor's Dev since episode 1 and 2. It was inevitable. It was highly foreshadowed. Even with that being said, I didn't think it would happen at the end of season 1. But we already knew that he discards people. The head of the Chinese gang said it during the last meeting and he was absolutely right.

[@xenablossom4682]

Salvatore Maroni's sudden heart attack immediately made me think of that moment in Child's Play 3, complete with Chucky's reaction, "You gotta be f***ing kidding me."

[@trembledust6819]

Thanks for vid. @22:02 it was mentioned off topic that their relationship was more so business in regards to Penguin pays her and she provides him a service. She was paid to play a role. Penguin paid her to portray his moms in the finale scene. Probably not the first time he asked her to do it. They were using each other and they both knew that. There is a theory based on the character's her last name, Karlo, in the show that she could be related to the original Clayface, Basil Karlo or could be this universes's version of Clayface. To me that actually works. Not like she is going to get exposed to chemicals and be able to shapeshift but the way she can "transform:" to be anyone someone else wants. We shall see. I did hear talks about possible solo series with another villain as well. The Joker's name came up. How true that is...may find out soon. Thanks for vid.

[@willgenre]

I don't think Sofia is close to Penguin. She only killed people that hurt her. Penguin killed her brothers because he wanted his mom to himself. That's a monster.

[@JohnnyJustice777]

Another thing to note is that, Sofia is a lot more emotional. She thought the therapy session would break Oz, but she underestimated how delusional he could be. If she had killed his mom, maybe she would have broken him. But since she was shown to sympatise with victims, she wouldn't have killed her. And that's why Oz is stronger. He can shift loyalties at the drop of a hat. Hell, i can imagine him kidnapping and forcing Eve to act as his mother all the time, if his mother was killed by Sofia

[@Paranormal718]

37:27 it was elaborated on "Inside Gotham" post episode. Even with Oz not having the gun directly pointed at her back was intrinsic in the set-up.

[@Blarmenify]

That look on oz's face after what he does to vic chilled me to the bone. Been haunting since i watched it.

[@cha0sk1lls]

5:30 we knew but at sometimes they would make you think he does care but it was always some thought in yo head like ik he’s gonna cross him one day

[@PoyTroy]

I was like Martin. I knew Vic was a goner. Just didn’t know when , then that scene at the end I knew Oz was gonna do it then. If you finish the series and jump right into the movie “the Batman” it literally picks up right where the show ends, it’s amazing !

[@C00lGuyWithHats]

If I’m not mistaken, the show picks up right as “the Batman” ends

[@PoyTroy]

@ you might be right. Whenever I finished the penguin last night and that bat signal went up , I put on the movie the Batman right after and it looks like the same exact scene starting off. Even showing off the penguins penthouse

[@MattAlbie]

Something that I see people ignoring a bit... Bruce just got shot by about thirty hunting rifle rounds, and then took a double barrel shotgun blast to the chest which obviously knocked the air out of him and probably at best bruised some ribs. Early in the Batman we see Bruce shirtless and covered in bruises. You can bet money those bruises were not from encounters NEARLY as brutal and dangerous as his high-caliber hunting rifle showdown. Where is Bruce during the events of the Penguin, which happens in the two weeks or after The Batman? Most likely in a hospital bed, recovering his body enough to be effective for The Batman 2. Which timeline wise will make him healthy enough by about Christmas time... Which is rumored to be when The Batman 2 takes place.

[@LouisLitt369]

They set up his heart issues earlier in the series. He had medication for it.

[@kyresefleming983]

After Vic's murder that flood light at the end was the chef's kiss because I need to see Batman beat the 💩 out of Oz

[@Fedora_JP]

My other take is because vic was family, he had to kill him. He just saw how his mother was used against him and he didnt want to be in a position like that again. Its a weak spot, he has no loose ends, no strings , other than the s3x worker which im actually surprised he used her in a surrogate/oedipal arrangement

[@TheCrewTravel]

Penguin 🐧 is who he is. He was telling about himself for entire series that he’s a master manipulator, a liar, a cheat, a thief. That final scene was a reminder to the viewer that he is an Evil Villain. Brilliant ending

[@curtisharris966]

Phenomenal BTS The Penguin was amazing.! Made me appreciate The Batman more.

[@Partoftheratpack]

Finished it tonight. The ending was inevitable. Brilliant performance from Colin Farrell.

[@danieltobin4498]

Now I think we’re all looking forward to Batman beating up the Penguin

[@GaryLShawIII]

1:23 somebody who watched the show every night on Sundays. It is a great argument against binge watching. 6:52 he did just choke him out. He crushed his Adams Apple

[@MrQstorm3476]

When they cut to the scene of Oz and Vic sitting in an isolated spot on the river, I was suspicious. Then they got into the conversation, talking about how they were family and I was like, okay this looks okay. But as soon as Oz says, “But heres the thing, Vic,” I’ve seen enough gangster movies to know that Vic was bout to kick rocks.

[@Paranormal718]

Off the back, this series earned its Replay Value. Some episodes delineated speculative and/or unanswered questions in previous episodes. Those revelations in those final minutes with Sophia, Eve and Francis are poetic tragedies.

[@Linklex7]

The moment Batman finally gets his hands on The Penguin is going to be one of those cinematic moments where the audience in the theater will applaud and give a standing ovation. The fans are waiting. For the first time since The Dark Knight, nobody is thinking about Joker, they want The Penguin just to see Batman get his hands on him. See what happens when you have an actual villain do villain shit, it makes people cheer in the hero even more. Not every villain needs to be Magneto.

[@DarkCreed]

I'm gonna watch the movie and have the car flip on repeat

[@Daavhimself]

Can't believe they didn't mention the Court of Owls reference towards the end in the courtroom scene.

[@MarioBario]

Its not an obvious reference. I had to pause it to see it because i was focused on penguin and councilman talking

[@Linklex7]

It’s not an obvious reference. Plus you gotta remember, the Court of Owls aren’t that old compared to the major Batman villains. They’ve only existed for 13 years. They don’t have the longevity or history of the big 4 (Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler). A casual fan who’s never read the comics can see an umbrella (Penguin) or playing card (Joker) and get the reference. They see a reference to the Court and will have no idea what that is. They’re so obscure that even hardcore comic fans have yet to reference that most famous member of the Court of Owls is William Cobb, with the same last name they gave this new Penguin. Fans haven’t even referenced that yet.

[@ShawnWeeded510]

This show is exactly like reading a comic book based on a super villain. Most comics play with genre so this show is most definitely a comic book film.

[@yakuza01]

Years from now, wherever the Batman franchise is, it would be funny if they bring back this kid actor to reprise his role. Maybe not exactly this current iteration of the character but just a new version.

[@fangal12]

The show did a great job at making you understand Penguin without excusing him. He's a bad guy and always has been, even as a kid. Shot out to the child actor playing young Oz, he was adorably twisted

[@mofish8925]

I didn't think Sophia was horrible. The bomb was definitely incredibly bad. The Arkham thing made her that way. Her own father put her there. Her family was trash. Oz used her. There were so many things that she went through that made me empathetic.

[@pianist150]

My only thing with Batman in the show, I'm fin with him not showing up. He could be doing other stuff, its a lot of mob in fighting and we can easily explain it in Part II. But the criminals should talk about him more. Not constantly but they are career criminals doing crimes and there's a guy in a bulletproof batsuit and jet propelled car, jumping out of the shadows to beat up criminals. He would come up

[@ThoughtOuter]

Its definitely up there as one of the best TV Series comic book adaption. Number 1 still has to be Daredevil Netflix for me

[@Andre416Reformed]

Penguin was such a POS in episode 8 but it’s his character so I shouldn’t have been surprised great episode and series though 😅

[@danieltobin4498]

The show flat out told you in every episode that Penguin is someone you shouldn't trust. And yet he continues to win us over with his charm.

[@Andre416Reformed]

@ That’s a great way to put it I can’t believe I trusted him but I also can’t wait for season 2 lol 🤣

[@chandraray7798]

15:20 I like how nobody acknowledged that wild ass, out of pocket line he just dropped like it was nothing 😂😂😂.

[@cooldrop02]

Also remember that he was envious of Victor. Because he saw his mom actually become more affectionate towards him. That's one of the reasons he wanted to kill Victor. It's not because he couldn't take him with him. It's because he feared that Victor would eventually be able to talk to his mother.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

But his mother became a vegetable, so that would no longer be a concern for him.

[@cooldrop02]

@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 It's not about it being a legitimate concern. He wants nobody to become remotely close to her but him. It's also confirmed that she is actually still in there. Trapped.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@cooldrop02 "He wants nobody to become remotely close to her but him." - Which isn't a concern anymore.

[@cooldrop02]

@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Yeah because he killed the dude. That's why it's not a concern anymore. The person who got closest to his mom, after the deaths of his brother s, was Victor. Took him out. So you are absolutely right. It is no longer a concern

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@cooldrop02 No, it's no longer a concern because she's a vegetable now. It is no longer possible for anybody to get close to her anymore, so that is not a reason for why he killed him, it's because Vic would be a liability for him, both emotionally and because he knows all of his secrets. Even if Vic getting close to his mother would've been a concern, all he would have to do is to just not have Vic around his mother anymore, he doesn't have to kill him, that would be completely nonsensical.

[@Ramen_Hibachi]

I hope Black Mask whacks Penguin in Batman 3

[@sometimesidontunderstand0029]

I thought Johnny Viti was thin a be the black mask

[@Linklex7]

Black Mask has never been able to stop Penguin. Sometimes other criminals might take the crime lord title from Penguin, but Penguin always gets it back.

[@RemixedVoice]

This finale made me want to throw up lmao

[@anonymouslyunknown4811]

Shocked people are surprised they weren't supposed to like Oz

[@nont18411]

I think it’s because the oversaturation of sympathetic villain tropes in media these days conditioned them to think that Penguin will become another sympathetic villain story. Glad to see the show subverted our expectations.

[@kennykenny757__]

Thank you !!!!!! This is the review I’ve been rating for from y’all I absolutely love this series. I have been written and raving and recommended it to everyone. It is definitely worth a watch.

[@a_real_one2000]

Oz sees vulnerability as weakness to be eliminated. Vic openly admitting they are like family. Any relationship with Oz has to be transactional. That said on rewatching this eps link warning to Vic about not talking so much & not to be so earnest. I wonder was there anything could’ve been them in that moment or did Oz make up his mind back at the hospital.

[@lustbubo4638]

3:44 Martin singing Plutoski 😂😂😂

[@adamrielh]

Bruh 😂😂😂

[@7.62jack6]

His mama even called him a monster 🤦🏾‍♂️RIP VICTOR🕊️