THE PENGUIN SPOILER DISCUSSION | Double Toasted

[@JaxBlade]

Had to restart up the Arkham Games and🥊 let out some steam🥊 on the fat bastard after that ending lmaoo

[@josephdent6825]

Hey I know that guy 👀👀

[@Kelly-np2xq]

Think I might do the same tbh 😂

[@tsheporabekane4172]

😂😂😂

[@petewashington32]

Downloading now 😂

[@christophermorris6152]

SAME

[@michaelstrong5383]

Out of all of Batman's villains, I wasn't expecting a show about the Penguin to be so compelling and amazing, but I was really surprised. Colin Farrell and Cristin Milioti are both fantastic, and Rhenzy Feliz as Vic was the heart and soul of it all.

[@Revealingstorm.]

That ending was such a gut punch

[@vaneflowverse2805]

I know I wasn't the only one who got choked up.

[@GrandeTheftDesperado]

Right dude I was wanking it and had the ep playing in the background. I had to stop mid stroke when that was going down.

[@JonJayAllDay]

Fr like I finally took a breathe and was happy my boy Vic made it and they snatched that shit from all us at the 10 yard line lmao

[@chrvaloandkids4390]

I did not see it coming until it got a little too loving. I would say about a minute before it happened. I said out loud he's going to kill him.

[@michaelstrong5383]

Reminds me of The Sopranos where Tony killed Christopher. The only difference was that Vic was a good and loyal kid.

[@Danjoker.]

You can never trust a penguin, they're too cold 🐧

[@mrlennydominguez]

Danny Devito Was Good At The Penguin in Batman Returns

[@DTCAllOver]

🥁

[@Coffeewiththegods]

BOOOO! 🍅 🍅 🍅 lol

[@CosmicSpaceBaby]

This comment is underrated 😂😂😂

[@problak202]

GOAT comment 😂🔥

[@christophergarrett7082]

This show is how you do a villain story. In the end, it makes it very clear that the penguin is a monster who only cares about power. He even betrayed his own mother. He did her the worst took away her other children cause he only wanted her attention. Left her as a vegetable. This show truly shows you that the gangster world of Gotham is a dog eat dog world

[@GladwinAbel]

The penguin is not a trickster like joker, not as smart as riddler and not a strong as bane. In fact he’s not exceptionally good at any physical traits, he’s just an extremely desperate monster that will do anything to get to the top leaving a trail of bodies of friends, family and innocents. A rat, snake, scum he’s just all the most terrible traits in one man that everyone underestimated.

[@Mrntl2014]

​@GladwinAbel he's still smart

[@Hellstar_Yemaya]

What got me was what Vic’s actor Rhenzy pointed out that a few episodes ago Penguin told Vic they’re gonna remember our names for a long time and now after Penguin threw his ID in the water, Vic will probably always just be an unidentified dead body. With all his family and friends gone, no one will ever even know who he was.

[@BlackHippy313]

I instantly picked up on that. That was penguins whole motif when talking too people, being remembered. He probably is gonna forget about him Atwell

[@Hellstar_Yemaya]

@ I’m postive Penguin will forget about Victor. It makes me wonder if he’s done this with other kids before or if anything that he said to Victor was real or all just lies to gain his trust and loyalty.

[@Don.M.]

Vic should’ve listened to Graciela…😢

[@Hellstar_Yemaya]

@ yep it just makes me think of when he was telling his Dad he should want more out of life and his Dad was like we already have enough. Graciela could have been enough but Vic couldn’t see that and he had to find out that all that glitters isn’t gold. Just sad because it really imitates real life for a lot of young boys/ girls growing up in underserved communities

[@DarkSoldat66]

The Maronis weren’t speaking Italian. They were speaking Farsi.

[@josephdent6825]

Penguin thinking that all of Gotham is his and no one can stop him. Batman: Did you forget about Me??

[@ameliacraiig4193]

Ikr! Reap VENGEANCE on that piece of sh*t!

[@728GT]

Justice for Vic ✊🏾

[@jaythomas468]

I KNOWWWW, I can’t remember the LAST TIME a show or movie had me literally SQUIRMING IN MY CHAIR because I was SO UPSET and DISTURBED by what I was seeing.

[@JesusHChrist7777]

What made me mad was that Victor seen firsthand oz betray almost everybody he knew,he should’ve had his guard up

[@killmonger5097]

It’s wasn’t for nothing

[@fangal12]

@@JesusHChrist7777 In Vic's defense he saw him be loyal to his mother and to Eve so maybe he thought because they were like "family" that he could trust him. He doesn't know that Oz killed his own brothers

[@Micisme86]

Why? He literally chose this life and got ate up🤷‍♂️

[@hellsapoppin9326]

Korey being like "dont call it a comic book thing its gritty and gangsta" is giving "theyre not dolls theyre action figures"

[@ghostdog3566]

One thing I do like about Maroni having a heart attack is how it illustrates just how quickly he'll turn the narrative in his favor; he immediately put shells in him talmbout 'YEA TAKE THAT' & made a production of dumping him off the bus in front of everybody

[@atheozrevenge]

That last scene with his mom was heartbreaking. She asked Oz to kill her if the disease will take her, because she doesn't want to live in that state. But Oz kept her alive alone and miserable in that tower.

[@MentLeee]

I didn’t think about this at the moment. After I was reminded of that promise it’s terrible he would do that to her.

[@EGO_D3VTH]

I forgot about that promise he made! That makes the scene where she sheds a tear in the bed so much more horrible.

[@Sergio-bh7cu]

Francis's tear absolutely should NOT be taken either way, and in no circumstance should you assume she got what she wanted. Several episodes prior she straight up told Oz to kill her if she lost her mind completely. She was deathly adraid of being trapped comatose, which is what happened to her. Oz responded to her request with complete denial, so of course he ignores what she wanted and selfishly keeps her alive at the end. That's what makes her tear so tragic, she's in a state of constant torture

[@AlphaAceEX]

i mean its pretty clear by the way she makes eve to imitate her mother that he just deluded himself to think otherwise, even though he knows deep down that his mother would never look at him again.

[@TheKawaiikari]

100%. But I'd go further and say he doesn't just ignore her, he purposefully does this to her because of his new knowledge of her trying to get rid of him as a kid. He says in the scene "you feel better? You look better" knowing she looks and feels absolutely shit. But I agree, she's being tortured.

[@Silas_Kow]

I mean if she ain't there, she ain't there. She ain't paralyzed, she is in a vegetative state

[@bensneb360]

I hope Colin Ferrell, Cristin Milioti, and Deirdre O'Connell all get Emmy nominations because they all absolutely kill it in their roles

[@wiinterflowers4277]

The makeup artist should get some gold too. Same with the kid who played Vic and the showrunner too.

[@MarioBario]

No love for Rhenzy Feliz? That's almost as cold as Victor's corpse

[@stephanhenry9205]

Once Victor saw the Penguins Mom he never had a chance

[@YTmadeMeChangeMySensibleName]

Yooo, that's a great point. Man took Vic to the CRIB

[@edkwon]

Yep, and Vic intimately knew Penguins greatest WEAKNESS, making him the greatest liability as well

[@stephanhenry9205]

@@edkwon yup and Vic can’t smash him like eve can so it was lights out for him

[@KirkRedgate]

I didn’t think the Penguin would kill Vic. That was harsh and all the more genius for it. He fooled me, like everyone else on that show. Amazing finale.

[@krisj827]

I knew Oz would kill Vic from episode one.

[@KirkRedgate]

@krisj827 I know the Penguin is an evil villain, but I never expected him to strangle Vic to death. That was brutal. There was no motive that I could see until the act was done.

[@cooldrop02]

Same. I saw it coming especially since he has shown that he stacks what he thought to be failure against people. And then used those to justify his actions. ​@@krisj827

[@TBurr030]

I only knew because it’s a pretty common mob genre trope. Episode 1 I’m like this kids dead lol

[@KirkRedgate]

@@TBurr030 I had a feeling he would die, but not by Penguin's hands.

[@The_Phantasm]

I really love the show and how it reinforced that Penguin is not at all a misunderstood character. He's a vile monster. The only thing I would say didn't work for me is the character of Dr Julian Rush played by Theo Rossi. I didn't feel like the character was ultimately terribly necessary and often felt like he was there for the sake of being there. Also I think this might be a me thing, but I personally was actually hoping that Sofia would actually die in the end. That's because I'm honestly extremely exhausted of the Falcone family constantly being adapted in Batman media as opposed to actual Batman characters. The Falcones were always in the comics just a generic crime family from the olden days of Gotham that were there to show Batman transition from fighting regular gangsters to actual supervillains and yet we keep revisiting them. To me they are just placeholders for the real villains.

[@idakev]

Gangsters fit better for this type of show though.

[@PoyTroy]

He’s suppose to be the scarecrow

[@The_Phantasm]

@@PoyTroy No he's not. That's just fan speculation.

[@carnagerulez312]

Sofia is now tired to Catwoman and she's also back in Arkham, so she might be a long term character. She's too good at her job! 😂😂😂

[@daseancedoesgeek2667]

What’s crazy is that he promised his mom that he would kill her if she ever reached “that” point. He couldn’t even do the ONE thing she asked

[@mofish8925]

What he did to Vic was unredeemable. Killed him, emptied his wallet(as if he needed the money), then just threw his body away AFTER taking his ID. That was fd up.

[@Philbert-s2c]

True but then again, that was the point. When he faces off against The Batman in the next film, the audience won't have any divided loyalties.

[@UbinTimor]

Oz taking the money in Vic's wallet serves a greater purpose than him just taking back petty cash. Killing someone and emptying the contents of their wallet has been a trick that killers use in order to dissuade police investigations into homicides. It tricks the police into believing that a dead body that was found was a simple case of a robbery gone sideways causing them to devote less resources into finding the killer. The case has even less of a chance of staying open when the victim is colored and more so for a person in Vic's position: A low income high school drop out with no immediate family displaced by a disaster with no permanent address and no identification would immediately be labeled as a victim of "gang violence" in any police investigation- especially in a city like Gotham. Given that the Gotham PD is also in line with crime families, it's safe to say that they wouldn't even lift a finger to investigate especially when it could expose any sort of corruption. Gotham PD would slap the "John Doe" label on Vic, label his death as gang related, and use his empty wallet as justification to close the case as fast as possible as to not "waste any more of police's precious time." There are so many cases out there where this has happened especially when the police department is so incompetent that they even become a suspect in the victim's case when their family used their own resources to hire private investigators and get reports from secondary sources such as autopsies that contradict and sometimes expose cover-ups in police investigations.

[@happyreally5313]

What you expect a nice funeral. Get over yourself

[@keijijohnson9754]

I remember seeing on Twitter a bit before the series premiered that there was this article somewhere where it consisted of I think Colin Ferrrel himself warning people not to root for him throughout he. Like he was trying to warn us that by the end of this we'll end up hating him more and more by the end of this. After this finale's ending, that warning was more justified than ever. I can see why he put that out beforehand after what Oswald did in these last few episodes.

[@Don.M.]

Man…that ending had me wanting to put on the bat suit and go beat Penguin to a pulp my damn self, lol. Amazing experience watching this season. So brutal

[@micrhymer4062]

He killed his brothers and thought he got away with it, why would anyone else be off limits?

[@kobrajr25]

Cause while it was psychotic and fucked up, u don’t pick ur family but as an adult he choose to let Vic in and give him wrong yet fatherly advise when he knew he had no one else cuz Vic reminded him of himself plus Vic essentially made him da new Falcone

[@persianking44]

Part of the reason why Oswald managed to fool a lot of people, in-universe and the audience, is the fact that he is largely lying to himself. Everything he ever said about his brothers, Vic, his mom, wanting to get back at the rich and powerful, and wanting lower class people to be treated like equals by the upper echelons of Gotham, he genuinely believed.....but he's in denial about himself. Every person he ever killed, whether they were just a gang member or mobster or social elite, it wasn't about anything as noble as he sold it as. It was all about control, and him getting back at anyone who ever disrespected him. And it's why this show is so fantastic, and why Oz is such an interesting villain protagonist.

[@AlphaAceEX]

my brother, he lied to people directly to their faces like countless times throughout the episodes. theres no deeper psychonanalysis to be had other than you turning your brain off when you are watching the show.

[@amarcellus1714]

After that ending there was one quote that stuck out to me "I'll break every bone in your body Cobblepot".

[@SpideySensei72]

People saying Vic should come back as Zsaz or the Red Hood sound dumb AF. Bringing him back would completely ruin the impact of watching Oz take his life so casually and then just leave him there like he was nothing. The final blow of robbing him and tossing his ID away as a final blow made it all the more impactful and heartbreaking.

[@LouisLitt369]

@@SpideySensei72 Redhood would be dumb but not Zsaz. If you don't see the poetry in that you shouldn't be commenting on this at all

[@randyj1988]

It’s obvious that he’s Zasz. The last half of the show showed him becoming more comfortable with killing, they spend a long time showing his first kill and how it impacts him. they showed him organizing criminals on his own. The main thing is that after Oz chokes Vic, Oz throws Vic’s I.D in the water and you see it go away, that’s symbolizing Victor Aguilar is gone and a new personality is coming from the depths. The point of the show is Oz has always been the way he is but he makes other people like him.

[@LouisLitt369]

@randyj1988 this is what I'm hoping but we can't confidently say that.

[@madlord124]

Vic would look so silly as Zaas, a bald head with tattoos would not look right

[@JukeTheRonin]

The Penguin is sick he had his girl dress up as his mom

[@michaelstrong5383]

Freud would have a field day with the Penguin.

[@DarkCreed]

And call him son. For all we know, they been doing this since they met.

[@ItsJustCartier]

That part made me want to throw up😂

[@_CPerk]

They really killed this series. Acting, writing and direction were all top tier. I love how grounded the series was, for Gotham before Batman really gets going. No super villains, no crazy inventions. Just the mob, d rug dealing, violence. Classic HBO mix for a good show.

[@Jovenza2]

It wasn't surprising what Oz did at the end, but with his mother "gone", Vic was the last person who could see him like how Oz saw Rex, and that's why I thought he would have kept him along. However, as the last episode went, I guess Oz realized he doesn't want that weakness and lose end that could be used against him again.

[@CarlieGuss]

A history of violence was a comic book as well. Here's the great thing about comics (and manga).... they can be any genre you enjoy

[@Okkotsu86275]

One of the things l love about this series is that they didn't try to humanize or do the whole misunderstood villain thing. Even if Oz did have things, we the audience could emphasize and sympathize with. It was quick snuff out by him being a repugnant monster and scumbag. And I loved it. Also, Cristin Milioti is a force.

[@timglover31]

Eve's last name is Karlo. She looks like his mom at the end cause it's possible that she's Clayface. Who's name is Basil Karlo in the comics. "I'm whoever they need me to be."

[@tsheporabekane4172]

I think that she is a homage to Basil Karlo, or his mother... We shall see...

[@DarkCreed]

People changing their name all the time nowadays. So Eve could be Karlo.

[@AllInTheGame01]

Big s/o to the cast & crew led by showrunner Lauren LeFranc as well as Colin Farrell, Cristin Milioti, Rhenzy Feliz & Deirdre O'Connell as Penguin's mum who all knocked it out of the park!

[@BruiserBane]

OK, so no one is mentioning this this version of the penguin. He is very strong. He carried his mom over his shoulder while shooting he threw Falcone down the stairs. He’s got a Warriors body. He’s fat but he’s got a Warriors body. He is strong. He’s not just some flabby fat guy he’strong.

[@Rqarte626]

I never scream " YOU'RE PIECE OF SHHHTTT" at the screen during movies/series !! Even homelander couldn't make me yelled that!! But mannn this does, and my heart really bopping during the choke out session! JUSTICE FOR VIC , penguin, I couldn't wait for battinson to beat you ..

[@chrvaloandkids4390]

I don't think I changed up on a character so quickly. I went from feeling a little sorry for him to saying you motherfucker, out loud lol

[@jarrodedson5441]

Me to same same, homelander never made me that angry

[@sebastiansuazo2734]

@@jarrodedson5441 mainly because the showrunners pussied out of making him the monster he was supposed to be just to hamfist yet another "society makes us bad and evil and siniter and diabolical" message and what not, i mean, can you believe they actually tried to make butcher killing victoria a "bad guy" moment ??

[@JohnnyJustice777]

​​@@sebastiansuazo2734the issue is that, I never really found any of the "protagonists" compelling except Butcher. It was like Homelander vs a bunch of liberal snowflakes, with the exception of butcher. So, while Homelander is clearly the villain, I wanted him to torch those mfs. Seriously, 4 seasons in and I don't even know what Mother's Milk is doing in that team. He was there in all 4 seasons and I still don't give a crap about him

[@claycrawford7]

There was also a clever misdirection with the whole Eve & Oz’s mom looking alike. In Oz’s flashback to them dancing, you see the club singer and she looks similar to Eve in the first half with her other wigs, so that’s probably his justification for the attraction.

[@Ramen_Hibachi]

I hope Black Mask whacks Penguin in Batman 3

[@sometimesidontunderstand0029]

I thought Johnny Viti was thin a be the black mask

[@MrRobot-jb5tI]

I hope they don’t make the Batman sequel a musical.

[@josephdent6825]

Matt wouldn’t go for that

[@michaelstrong5383]

Matt Reeves isn't petty like Todd Phillips.

[@nont18411]

And Batman getting gang-r*ped in prison

[@michaelstrong5383]

@@nont18411 I still think Todd Phillips stole that from Zack Snyder's own idea for a Batman movie.

[@jaythomas468]

This series was AMAZING but the end of the last episode had me SO EFFED UP that I had to go to sleep right afterwards (and PROBABLY STILL ended up lying awake staring at the ceiling FOR A WHILE).

[@SwiftyMcGee118mate]

Everyone points to the Bomb explosion and Sophia murdering her family to highlight that she's a bad person even though she shot a teenage boy in the face at the end of the first episode 😂

[@AlphaAceEX]

well those are more heinous by comparison.

[@milespannell6266]

Martin is right on point! I was surprised and not surprised at Oz killing Vic. The best thing about this is Penguin being a true villain. Non redeemable and someone we like but not be fooled by

[@AlphaAceEX]

i dont think hes even likable, hes pretty pathetic by episode 3 onwards. Like a snake all around but you see it through and through.

[@milespannell6266]

@AlphaAceEX He has good moments where it "seems" he genuinely cares about people. But I think the show does best by showing at the end of the day he'll look out for himself first.

[@youngrootv]

Yeah I’m with Martin. Most, if not all, Batman villains deserve to be locked away and I’m glad the show kept that energy.

[@curtisharris966]

I applaud Matt Reeves for not going the anti hero route. Oz is full heel. The devil. No wonder Batman gets on. Red alert when shows up.

[@lustbubo4638]

3:44 Martin singing Plutoski 😂😂😂

[@adamrielh]

Bruh 😂😂😂

[@gbengaomowa7769]

10:35 The lights back on is always funny cause people thought he did it for his ma. But he did it for Bliss, the drug operation

[@AlphaAceEX]

I dont get whats so jawdropping about the ending when oz is clearly a psychopath by the end with no excuses.

[@cha0sk1lls]

5:30 we knew but at sometimes they would make you think he does care but it was always some thought in yo head like ik he’s gonna cross him one day

[@cooldrop02]

The best love letter that penguin gave him, Victor, in the series, is when he let him go and he thought that he had lost. Victor could have left. Have left. But when he came back, when I saw him come back, I thought he made the worst decision. Because he wouldn't had to have worried about the penguin if he had just left. Because he would have been dead.

[@marcushamner5994]

I like Rhenzy Feliz’s portrayal of Victor Aguilar. Rhenzy played Alex Wilder in Marvel’s The Runaways. He’s an excellent actor🤓👊🏾⚡️

[@OrionInSpace]

The mark of a really good screenplay for a television show or movie is that you can become so distracted that you forget what it is exactly you’re following and it shocks you. That’s how you do the subversion of expectation. Everyone kept forgetting we were following a true villain and bad guy… and then he goes and does what he did to Vic and we all collectively lose our minds.

[@Deriv44]

My theory is Batman was busy with the court of Owls

[@ElToro6647]

Batman said in the movie. He’s one man and Gotham is so big. Also said at the end crime is getting worse. He’s a busy guy. Explains the why he wasn’t there.

[@Cognizant1]

Sal was taking heart pills in earlier episodes and got stabbed in the gut pretty viciously. That heart attack was unexpected, but it was actually set-up and logical for the moment.

[@cooldrop02]

Also remember that he was envious of Victor. Because he saw his mom actually become more affectionate towards him. That's one of the reasons he wanted to kill Victor. It's not because he couldn't take him with him. It's because he feared that Victor would eventually be able to talk to his mother.

[@Fedora_JP]

My other take is because vic was family, he had to kill him. He just saw how his mother was used against him and he didnt want to be in a position like that again. Its a weak spot, he has no loose ends, no strings , other than the s3x worker which im actually surprised he used her in a surrogate/oedipal arrangement

[@daseancedoesgeek2667]

I also see the Vic thing as him seeing the one thing that could slightly humanize him and Oz saw that as weakness, And to rule Gotham He needs to be 100% ruthless, but he couldn’t do that with Vic because it was making him softer.

[@shinjiikari1989]

Watching the end of Vic I thought maybe that Vic was going to be Oz’s right hand man

[@chrisb7831]

I guess my question is at what point did Oz decide to kill Victor? I don't think he decided until his meeting with the councilman.

[@trepacer]

I think he always was planning to kill Vic - Vic knew all of his secrets & also just like the other # 2s took out their bosses - he didn;t want to give Vic the chance to one day do that to him. Oswald was always thinking ten steps ahead.

[@freddied8479]

Yeah it was the councilman. He told Oz that he had to be "clean," Vic was the only person who knew everything. He was a loose end

[@chrislaurent1137]

Leverage is one of the greatest trump cards in the Criminal Underworld whether it's family, friends, important documents, or recordings meant to be private. If you got the right leverage, those people who want you dead would make a deal that'll keep you alive and thrive in such an environment. They're at your mercy but you're at their mercy as well if they find the right leverage to use against you.

[@p76441]

I didn't think Penguin was going to end Vic, but I figured Vic showing him love was going to backfire. What's even more messed up is that instead of doing it quick and painless, he choked him out... I was totally shocked. People thought DeVitos Penguin was dark... i don't even know how to classify this . Devito's was done with some comedic notes, Colin's is straight psycho! I definitely am interested to see what happens next.

[@JohnnyJustice777]

I mean, Colin's penguin was also funny. But that was masking his sinister side

[@aurore-amour]

This show was wayyyy better than I expected it to be

[@cooldrop02]

I was waiting for Victor's Dev since episode 1 and 2. It was inevitable. It was highly foreshadowed. Even with that being said, I didn't think it would happen at the end of season 1. But we already knew that he discards people. The head of the Chinese gang said it during the last meeting and he was absolutely right.

[@chandraray7798]

The reason why vic's death was the tipping point for a lot of people (as opposed to the other cutthroat/ backstabbing moments the penguin did) was he was kind of the stand in for the viewer. Most people ain't used to the penguin's world, he was babyface that's getting introduced to it and going along for the ride. He admired the penguin because of his craftiness and charisma. Him dying was like the penguin killing the viewer. And unfortunately, the realization came too late for the viewer and for vic.

[@AlphaAceEX]

youd think he will have more development with him feeling guilt over squids death and his girlfriend leaving him but nah, he just ded

[@chandraray7798]

@ Well he made his decision to leave his girlfriend. And squids death wash shocking to him but by this point he already saw the bodies stacked that his boss was responsible for.

[@LouisLitt369]

They set up his heart issues earlier in the series. He had medication for it.

[@TheBatman514]

@32:30 he's been recovering from being..... Shot point blank, electrocuted while falling from the 4th floor, and w.e dope he shot himself with. He also has multiple concussions and a terrible sleeping schedule, so recovery will be even harder

[@reginaldanderson7609]

I enjoy every episode of The Penguin...Colin Farrell, Cristin Milioti & the rest of the cast were outstanding, also seeing the Bat signal in the end knowing I'm pumped for "The Batman" Pt 2.

[@trembledust6819]

Thanks for vid. @22:02 it was mentioned off topic that their relationship was more so business in regards to Penguin pays her and she provides him a service. She was paid to play a role. Penguin paid her to portray his moms in the finale scene. Probably not the first time he asked her to do it. They were using each other and they both knew that. There is a theory based on the character's her last name, Karlo, in the show that she could be related to the original Clayface, Basil Karlo or could be this universes's version of Clayface. To me that actually works. Not like she is going to get exposed to chemicals and be able to shapeshift but the way she can "transform:" to be anyone someone else wants. We shall see. I did hear talks about possible solo series with another villain as well. The Joker's name came up. How true that is...may find out soon. Thanks for vid.

[@willgenre]

I don't think Sofia is close to Penguin. She only killed people that hurt her. Penguin killed her brothers because he wanted his mom to himself. That's a monster.

[@JohnnyJustice777]

Another thing to note is that, Sofia is a lot more emotional. She thought the therapy session would break Oz, but she underestimated how delusional he could be. If she had killed his mom, maybe she would have broken him. But since she was shown to sympatise with victims, she wouldn't have killed her. And that's why Oz is stronger. He can shift loyalties at the drop of a hat. Hell, i can imagine him kidnapping and forcing Eve to act as his mother all the time, if his mother was killed by Sofia

[@DarkCreed]

I'm gonna watch the movie and have the car flip on repeat

[@Daavhimself]

Can't believe they didn't mention the Court of Owls reference towards the end in the courtroom scene.

[@MarioBario]

Its not an obvious reference. I had to pause it to see it because i was focused on penguin and councilman talking

[@bensneb360]

The Penguin is kind of like Homelander, both want love and praise, but don’t know how to reciprocate it and just sort of leach it off others for their own gratification

[@chandraray7798]

Penguin is capable of respecting people. He just the type of roach that doesn't let that stop him from clawing his way to the top.

[@macabre_artist]

Spoiler: Sophia was having the time of her life erasing her families legacy

[@chrvaloandkids4390]

I disagree with you guys on Sophia. I think Sophia was the tragic person we thought Oz was. We thought that there was some type of background or backstory that made Oz become what he is but he's just who he is all on his own. Sophia was a good person who watched her mother swinging from a ceiling, finding out her father killed her mother then having her father betray her and essentially losing her mind. She had the backstory that shows why she is what she is. And this is a little off the subject but damn there is something that is so sexy to me about her

[@michaelstrong5383]

While I didn't condone all the stuff Sophia did throughout the series, I completely sympathized and understood why she did what she had to do. Also, I agree that Cristin Milioti is pretty cute. I've been a fan of her since How I Met Your Mother, and I'm glad she's rightfully praised for her performance here.

[@Tre.Anthony2025-g4z]

She still committed an act of terrorism by destroying a whole city block

[@NoSyrupLeft]

@@Tre.Anthony2025-g4z yeah she also blew a teenagers head off with no remorse. She is much more sympathetic than Oz and you could argue she is a product of her environment but she still does evil stuff. Oz is just a demon and has been since he was a kid.

[@ghostdog3566]

As good as someone can be that's poised to takeover the biggest crime family in Gotham but to your point; facts (& yea she sexy af)

[@weirddeck4193]

See that last sentence tells me all I need to know, and while I do agree with that I can’t agree with her being tragic. I should say I don’t find her life tragic after she’s sent to Arkham. She killed multiple people who didn’t deserve it, she made her niece Gia an orphan in Gotham city, and she blew up a city block.

[@justindaniel6370]

Too bad the batman part 2 is not going to be rated R

[@kyresefleming983]

After Vic's murder that flood light at the end was the chef's kiss because I need to see Batman beat the 💩 out of Oz

[@drebone1986]

26:38 y'all forgot how ruthless he really is because Francis asks him earlier that if she's a vegetable just kill her to show her some sympathy and he promises to do it but now she's stuck in Hell because he's so selfish

[@7.62jack6]

His mama even called him a monster 🤦🏾‍♂️RIP VICTOR🕊️

[@Tizjiz]

I think his relationship with his mom is more so about him wanting her love (not sexually) and admiration. He wants her all to himself. He is a psychotic mommas boy.

[@Paranormal718]

37:27 it was elaborated on "Inside Gotham" post episode. Even with Oz not having the gun directly pointed at her back was intrinsic in the set-up.

[@Blarmenify]

That look on oz's face after what he does to vic chilled me to the bone. Been haunting since i watched it.

[@bigpictureguys8415]

Oz does want to be loved but not because he cares about the people, just for the sake of his legacy / ego

[@AsSeenOnTV0893]

Oz's mom is in hell. She's trapped in her body with the person she hates more than anything and he won't let her die.

[@Partoftheratpack]

Finished it tonight. The ending was inevitable. Brilliant performance from Colin Farrell.

[@curtisharris966]

Phenomenal BTS The Penguin was amazing.! Made me appreciate The Batman more.

[@TheCrewTravel]

Penguin 🐧 is who he is. He was telling about himself for entire series that he’s a master manipulator, a liar, a cheat, a thief. That final scene was a reminder to the viewer that he is an Evil Villain. Brilliant ending

[@bigpictureguys8415]

Please god don’t do a season 2. There’s nothing left to accomplish, you nailed it, leave it alone

[@CdotPYT]

So basically the penguin is the Donald Trump story

[@dreamquesttv]

And Vic is the people who voted for Donald Trump

[@CdotPYT]

@ yup

[@leah-marie5031]

Oh how original (sarcasm)

[@Paranormal718]

Off the back, this series earned its Replay Value. Some episodes delineated speculative and/or unanswered questions in previous episodes. Those revelations in those final minutes with Sophia, Eve and Francis are poetic tragedies.

[@alexisnaranjo]

Penguin's mother is crying because she made him promise her that he wouldn't let her go into this state. Promised her but... Penguin is a piece of shit, cannot let his mother go in peace.

[@Rhetnal]

It's ironic Oz killed Vic when Eve was the one who sold him out to Sophia, leading to his mom being kidnapped. Vic wasn't the one who was his weakness.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Gotham: Where’s Batman?! Batman: People, I literally spent the last few weeks trying to track down a serial killer and stopping his overly complicated plot that involved the city getting flooded. I don’t have the time or energy for this Crime Family drama.

[@michaelstrong5383]

"For five minutes, Gotham. Could you not have something bad happen in the town *_FOR FIVE MINUTES?!!"_*

[@elijaharvinger1178]

Bro there's a literal gang war in the streets of Gotham. Multiple mob related hits and shootouts. Three crime bosses were killed within weeks of each other. And entire crime family dead from a suspicious gas leak.There's a new drug on the street. Yeah these are things that could use a little attention from batman. I mean a drug lab exploded in the middle of the city and opened up a giant sinkhole ffs. Wasn't batman beating street thugs half to death in the subway in The Batman??

[@elijaharvinger1178]

There's a completely new drug on the street and crime bosses are dropping left and right. 🔫 fights between crews and a drug lab exploded leaving a giant sinkhole in the middle of the city. I'd say for a guy who was beating up common street thugs in The Batman his presence is sorely missed.

[@MarioBario]

The whole point of Batman is that he never quits. The timeline in the penguin show is at least 1 month. You telling me Batman couldnt have shown up, at all? Matt Reeves better give a beyond good reason why Batman didn't show up.

[@ThoughtOuter]

Its definitely up there as one of the best TV Series comic book adaption. Number 1 still has to be Daredevil Netflix for me

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

The Batman was awesome 😎

[@fangal12]

The show did a great job at making you understand Penguin without excusing him. He's a bad guy and always has been, even as a kid. Shot out to the child actor playing young Oz, he was adorably twisted

[@dannyphantom2827]

I grew to hate me after he killed his brothers and went back home and watched tv with his mom like nothing happened.

[@yakuza01]

Years from now, wherever the Batman franchise is, it would be funny if they bring back this kid actor to reprise his role. Maybe not exactly this current iteration of the character but just a new version.

[@danieltobin4498]

Now I think we’re all looking forward to Batman beating up the Penguin

[@chandraray7798]

15:20 I like how nobody acknowledged that wild ass, out of pocket line he just dropped like it was nothing 😂😂😂.

[@Andre416Reformed]

Penguin was such a POS in episode 8 but it’s his character so I shouldn’t have been surprised great episode and series though 😅

[@danieltobin4498]

The show flat out told you in every episode that Penguin is someone you shouldn't trust. And yet he continues to win us over with his charm.

[@Andre416Reformed]

@ That’s a great way to put it I can’t believe I trusted him but I also can’t wait for season 2 lol 🤣

[@ShawnWeeded510]

This show is exactly like reading a comic book based on a super villain. Most comics play with genre so this show is most definitely a comic book film.

[@pianist150]

My only thing with Batman in the show, I'm fin with him not showing up. He could be doing other stuff, its a lot of mob in fighting and we can easily explain it in Part II. But the criminals should talk about him more. Not constantly but they are career criminals doing crimes and there's a guy in a bulletproof batsuit and jet propelled car, jumping out of the shadows to beat up criminals. He would come up

[@RemixedVoice]

This finale made me want to throw up lmao