The Penuel Show In Conversation with Joost Strydom, The Great Trek, Self Doen, Off-grid Energy

THE PENUEL SHOW WITH JOOST STRYDOM
00:00 - INTRO
01:30 - History of Orania
11:55 - Orania's land size
15:12 - Expanding Orania, Cape independence
18:45 - Federalism, Self governance
27:25 - Job creation in Orania
31:55 - Government dependency
36:40 - Die Groot Trek migration
41:20 - Orania's population
43:05 - Orania's security
45:10 - Thoughts on English empire
50:55 - Cultural preservation
55:25 - Orania's location
58:05 - Orania's economy
1:03:53 - Building Orania's municipality
1:12:40 - Penuel's thoughts on Orania
1:18:35 - Is Orania / its people racist
1:24:35 - Closing comments
1:29:09 - ENDS

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THE PENUEL SHOW WITH JOOST STRYDOM 00:00 - INTRO 01:30 - History of Orania 11:55 - Orania's land size 15:12 - Expanding Orania, Cape independence 18:45 - Federalism, Self governance 27:25 - Job creation in Orania 31:55 - Government dependency 36:40 - Die Groot Trek migration 41:20 - Orania's population 43:05 - Orania's security 45:10 - Thoughts on English empire 50:55 - Cultural preservation 55:25 - Orania's location 58:05 - Orania's economy 1:03:53 - Building Orania's municipality 1:12:40 - Penuel's thoughts on Orania 1:18:35 - Is Orania / its people racist 1:24:35 - Closing comments 1:29:09 - ENDS

[@ChristoffHavenga]

Thank you to Penuel Show for the effort as always... and well done! I have shared this interview wide and far...

[@khotsochurchill247]

Penuel check comments. With that being said, when are you implementing your thoughts ?

[@mariewentzel3324]

Mo​@@ChristoffHavenga

[@MinaGalant]

The Oranions are very unique ❤

[@erickweleta7295]

I am of the view that Panuel did not do justice to this interview because there’s nothing one can take out of this other than having given free marketing and publicity to this racist movement. There is not even one probing question around the monuments and former heroes of the town that has blood on their hands. What makes things worse is to compare a town with a population of 3000 not even qualifying to form 1 municipal ward that must at least by having a population of between 12 and 20 thousand to form a ward. You compare this with SA government that has a 60 million population including whites. So gullible 😢

[@grantevans6597]

I loved this conversation between these two young, serious-minded men, who both spoke with enormous conviction and integrity. Two men who come from very different backgrounds, but are united by the quality of their character. It was a privilege to see them looking at each other in the eyes, unashamed, convicted and united through common values. Yes indeed, these two young men are brothers.

[@ClaimTheDensity]

Agreed!

[@maraisdekker2415]

Well put. Thanks for that reflective insight.

[@user-xx1iy7on3g]

This is so True Father ❤

[@governorsiyengu6002]

Mxm, brothers? One is white one is black so what brothers are you talking about? Colonizer and the oppressed even in this day in age. We're coming for orania is not their land. Brothers, nxa sies man!

[@wandi2925]

As a black man, I was in Orania a few times many years ago. Tbh I have never experienced anything but warm treatment and good food.

[@sephoramandondo2548]

Why did you go their?

[@IFuckedMyMother]

@@sephoramandondo2548to promote eff lol😂

[@CD-fu3mq]

Yes, they are welcoming and warm, but that isn't from their hurt. If that was true, they would let anybody, regardless of skin color and the same value, let leave with them in the same town. to me, that's racism without showing discrimination, WHAT they are saying is that all black people are criminals

[@TapiwaMunyanyi]

I respect the concept of Orania, this is a place that they built with their own two hands, no handouts, just hard work, dedication and most importantly accountability.

[@afr4christ]

Is there a concept of cheap white labour in Orania?

[@Waldgxnger]

i think all people no matter what ethnicity should build cities like it

[@BenVanGreunen]

@@Waldgxnger

[@erroltaylor8558]

Why don't you go and live there.

[@itumelengkgosana8833]

Coming from a Christian background, I think this has opened my eyes on how God wanted us to live as humanity. Building with our own hands and not being lazy, not oppressing or taking advantage of anyone's misfortune, building a family, living in peace and love, and many other examples.

[@CD-fu3mq]

But does God want us to live only with people of our own race?

[@S_goldman_]

Living with people who are of the same culture is what people do all over the world.​@@CD-fu3mq

[@sizananimleya8668]

How I wish black people will learn to work together and trust each other and not betray each other like they’ve been doing for years.

[@homemail9653]

@sizananimleya8668 the irony is that that used to be black people. We used to be very loyal to each other, now we are loyal to money. Very sad.

[@sizananimleya8668]

@@homemail9653 very sad indeed. Maybe we need to engage with like minded people and try to build for ourselves and for the future.

[@ElectrostatiCrow]

The lack of trust and selfishness is what is holding us back.

[@sfisobuthelezi3054]

Our people its like they were created in hell

[@shopekassie]

No one supported Ntabeleng when she formed a Black owned bank. Africans looked at her weaknesses and destroyed her, instead of helping her.

[@koosvandermerwe8298]

The orania model should be followed worldwide. Decentralise power. Know and talk to your leaders everyday. Well done !!

[@baylybartlett5658]

ek dink weer ,soos in die donker eeu in engeland, dat die ander lande rondom mens sal aanval omdat mens nie n sterk genoeg krag gaan wees om tee te staan nie. Dis maar net n voorbeeld maar eks nie seker hoe lank so vrede gaan hou nie want geskiedenis herhaal homself mos al het mens goeie intensies...

[@EnkosiMavume]

I enjoyed this interview, for the first we heard their side of the story. We have labelled them racists without hearing their own side. This interview has changed my perspective of Orania and the people living in it

[@mawethumdeliswa7925]

Enkosi.. Nothing has changed.

[@EnkosiMavume]

@@mawethumdeliswa7925 ANC is in charge a political party full of black people and yet they haven't made a single attempt to help out their fellow black people instead they brought more suffering. These people are looking out for their own yet us as blacks we can't do the same. We fail to even support Spaza shops run by our own people yet we can easily buy from Spaza's owned by Somalians. At Orania they stood up and made the change themselves and didn't depend on government. What stops us from doing the same? If we keep on focusing on racism trust me we're not going anywhere

[@jolie1865]

​@@mawethumdeliswa7925start by you and change

[@phillipjacobus5197]

Did for a lot of us,those people,are successful,if others hate that they are selfish

[@NerinaRSA]

Mine too. Penual is full of surprises. Well Done. I've never been too Orania. The only thing I differ is regarding exploitation. Nobody should exploit anybody else.

[@kgt8693]

I must admit, i used to hate Orania, the media is very hostile to orania, and they are instilling this hate to most SA pple, over time i realised its not the place they hate, its the idea of independence from government, your show makes it possible to know the other side of the story, there is more to it than what they are sharing, but their ideals can work even for other communities!

[@PietSwart]

Mainstream media sells that idea because it's controversial and gets the clicks. Alternative Media, like Penuel, exposes the biases of large corporate media houses, because he is only after the truth.

[@ingridartus4441]

Spot on!

[@noggogo6932]

Who owns the media in SA?

[@TwalikiWisiki]

Well said Sir, it's the idea that people are fighting

[@fredpretorius1409]

I am speechless with what I have just witnessed here! Joost jy is n man van substance voorwaar, Penuel, umfowethu you simply blew my socks off. I have hope for SA witnessing this level of understanding/tolerance and am exited to experience a brighter future led leadership like you. God Bless.

[@sidelineropinions4692]

I must say I have thoroughly enjouyed this friendly open and honest discussion between two loyal and talented young South Africans. True sons of the African soil.

[@lulamantshephe5595]

Absolutely, great respect for these two young people❤❤❤❤

[@lulamantshephe5595]

Fascinating interview❤❤❤

[@godpenuel]

I still struggle with the concept of OWN LABOUR. It's the most fascinating aspect of Orania. Most of us cannot truly fathom a life without external labour. Gardeners. Cleaners. Nannies. Uber drivers. Scooter drivers. Builders. Etc. They do labour themselves. Fully by themselves. It's crazy. Whatever they don't know, they learn & then implement themselves.

[@mxolisimagubane3204]

What will happen when population grows old and the young are not interested in manual jobs?

[@actuallywhatthehellissouthA]

In Britain most less meaningful jobs are done by their own but recently they been getting a lot of external help. But i do think they’ll change as time goes on with population grown.

[@paullombard00]

This is an important point for us. We need to up our numbers and have 5+ kids in each family. We need to grow. @@mxolisimagubane3204

[@PietSwart]

Keep in mind that own labour does not necessarily mean everything yourself. Own labour, in this instance, should actually be described as community labour. They keep their labour within the community. Work do get contracted, but not to someone from outside.

[@user-xv8yn7cs2l]

I wish to start something like Orania. But it is more focused on African people to build a city like Dubai or Singapore from scratch. The aim is to build the first truly global African city built with black powder. The goal is to convert Tembisa into a city by 2050. I will call it Tembisa city. But Want to combine Tembisa, Khatorus, and KwatsaDuza. All these cities or townships form the backbone of Ekurhuleni municipal. And like my political icon Lee Kuan Yew who built Singapore from scratch, I also have such dream to turn Ekurhuleni municipal into a megalopolis like Tokyo, but it's a dream if not an outright fantastic dream. I for starters have one hundred and fifty in my pocket, and I will take fifty five to buy two brutal fruits 620 ml, to relax before I go to sleep. I know brutal fruit is for ladies, but I am a womanist

[@johanneswehrmann]

When 2 good hearts meet, you get 1 meaningful conversation. 🙌🏼

[@simonboyane1140]

Orania is blessed with a young, intelligent leader. I like his integrity and passion.

[@ayandamabombo8824]

vs.... the pensioners hogging seats in parliament.

[@KM_Zitha]

I wish black people could learn from Orania and start doing it for themselves. Those who are crying racism and apartheid need to get rid of envy and victim mentality. Orania is smaller than all large commercial farms. Great job Pen!

[@raywatlington5651]

I have never heard the Orania philosophy espoused in such a simple and beautiful way. The honesty/candour of Joost Strydom was palpable. Great interview Penuel. ❤

[@nganekwane2295]

"A boy becomes a man the day he realises and accepts that no one is coming to save them. They have to become their own hero". This is what I have come to realise about life,no one is coming to save you.. " 'n boer maak 'n plan" "self doen" to me,is based off of that concept/truth. Dope Konversation majita🙌🏾

[@godpenuel]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@fin2-em2mf]

They are making a plan with your land....lol..just like during apartheid....you will become a man when you realize this fact and realise your stupidity....goodluck...

[@edmundsishange3608]

@nganekwane2295 volume please

[@Hannodb1961]

As soon as the majority of South Africans come to this realization, South Africa will become a regional power again. Less EFF thinking, more Action SA thinking.

[@claudestuder4199]

Well said bro!

[@mondongoczko]

Thank you for taking the time to visit Orania. The idea that the bigger the government, the larger the welfare state, the more people depend on bureaucrats instead of their own community, their own faith, their own potential and talents is to keep people down and poor for ever.

[@nozukogacula5448]

Im so inspired by this interview, If Africa as a hole could adapt this concept, we would stop being puppets of the US and Europe. If we as black people can adapt this concept in our small communities

[@charlesdavel4455]

And crucially stop being puppets of corrupt African governments. You heard the man. You must just believe in an idea and start. White people in South African wants to see black people in South Africa and Africa prosper. Guys like Joost and Afriforum will gladly share their experience and knowledge if black leaders approach them in goodfaith. The notion that most of us are racist and dont want black people to succeed is not true. Its political games.

[@ingridartus4441]

Exactly right. Liberation starts in the mind. The untapped potential of South Africa is enormous. We need to think "local community" and take individual responsibility for our lives.

[@pacoraye8866]

you are correct...we can get rid of the rest of the world stealing our resources under the guise of helping Africa...

[@xolilemsila3220]

@@ingridartus4441 I fully agree. I'm Xhosa and I often think of the potential the Eastern Cape has. There are so many people from there that go to Cape Town and other big cities for work. Surely within their small (rural) communities, the expats could throw a miniscule portion of their salaries into a their different pots and save up for one thing every year. Eg. Year 1: 5 borehole taps (of course tested for drinkability). Year 2: Build one abattoir, to be manned by trained pros...preferably from the local community. Etc...all while making road infrastructure the main fight with local government. From this small idea alone, I believe so much traffic and a booming local economy would arise. This way, you've got people job creation, PLUS people would fight back anyone who threatens these structures because it would be the pride and joy of locals. So many other people would benefit. And I think of this because in the rural E.C, agrarian life is almost all that happens. The government is not coming to anyone's rescue. I come from one of the townships of Cape Town and run my own pest control company. There's a boom in township tourism again and because of this, so many small businesses tend to call for my services. I've started looking into servicing creches and other early childhood development centers as most of them are home-based and because of this, pests could arise from anywhere. The potential is there for everyone to eat for a very long time but for most, it's very difficult to think beyond tonight's meal, unfortunately. But you're spot on with thinking "local community"...1 million percent!!!

[@maraisdekker2415]

“Our definition of freedom is like a double-edged sword. No one must rule over you. And also to be free you must rule over no one. That’s a part of freedom.”

[@paulmemela7236]

Penuel!!! you are the gold standard bro. This country is fortunate to have you. You should really consider going into politics ....i believe you will have a huge impact in making SA a better place 🔥 🔥 🔥

[@user-ty9yu4gn9c]

Politics will swallow him, he is right where he is.

[@bluchill]

Penuel really does deserve the "hype" the guy delivers. Keep it up Pen, we support you and our contributions are also forthcoming to support your channel and independence. But yes I agree that you should not into politics you're playing a very vital role exactly where you are.

[@germaineludik]

Politics is for corrupt people and narcissists who want to govern over others. He is creating much better impact where he is

[@TSFxCapMgt]

He would definitely change this country

[@orkwape6387]

Not politics. Politics never change a country to be better. They actually are enemies of progression. He can change the country with what he is currently doing. Advising him to join politics is like selling him to the devil. He will be swallowed, like the previous writer.

[@chuckbester8430]

This gives me hope for our future. Two young real men with integrity. Respect for one another.

[@maphuthibillphahledi9668]

Penuel, after listening to your host, I have a new view about Orania that I personally discarded as racist even in one of my books. Real Afrikaners of Orania do not want to live like ticks by sucking other people's blood for their benefit. They are a stand alone people who want progress and to make their life really better. A lot can be said about them but, rest assured they know what they are doing.

[@godpenuel]

Episode was filmed in Orania, in the Northern Cape. Thank you to The Penuel Show crew & Tribal Media House. Thank you to Penson & Exo for coming through and being extra crew. Thank you to Joost Strydom & the dorp of Orania for their warm hospitality 🙏🏽❤️

[@jasonjohnson905]

The production quality is next level the video the lighting the audio quality with the wind blowing is extraordinary Well done guys

[@godpenuel]

@@jasonjohnson905 shoutout to Tribal Media House 🔥🔥🔥

[@vt5371]

Might have been more interesting to show up some of the places during the interview. We don't have a clue how it looks like!

[@godpenuel]

@vt5371 Will try see if we can get cutaways and load them in a different video and maybe platform.

[@yemu-voixchanson1667]

Firstly, Pen thank you for always delivering quality videos with thought provoking interviews. So happy about this episode because Orania seems shutout from the rest of the country, so it's hard to know what it is like. I have watched a few doccies and read a few articles. But this great to hear from their leader, from the horse's mouth. We could all learn from how this little town has developed and sustains itself. Everyone is putting in the work to make it work with ethical and moral integrity.

[@kimlouise-rf5rr]

This conversation is precisely what the ANC does not want ordinary South Africans to see. It is the level of respect and frankly shared values and morals between two South Africans. Both of whom want our magnificent country to survive and thrive. We know how united we can stand. We see this in our everyday interactions. We saw this with the Rugby World Cup. It is only the politicians who seek to divide us with their poisonous rhetoric and utter disregard and disrespect for the Citizens of South Africa. Thank you, Penul. It is only through podcasts such as yours that the light and truth will shine. We are blessed that 30 years into democracy we are witnessing the rise of the new generation. A generation of young, intelligent, strong Men who are ready to challenge the ANC.

[@josengel1958]

ANC live in the past, cowards, corrupt and racist creators🤷

[@brendangoosen]

Off the chains. I have to watch this a few times. They are the future of modern civilizations! Thank you sir!

[@godpenuel]

3000 Oranians vs 300 Spartans. The Spartan King was asked why he doesn't have a wall around Sparta... he pointed to his men & said: That is our wall. And as far as our spears can go. In Orania, the wall is self labour. Selfdoen.

[@anthonychadokwenda163]

Joost is so calming... so reassuring. May history be kind to the good people of South Africa and the pioneering minds behind Orania. Reality is such a 'pleasantly dark ' place .....

[@refemecoemokhooa3793]

😂

[@phillipjacobus5197]

Those that laught usually can't except others succeeding

[@MJRSA9404]

​@refemecoemokhooa3793 you laugh because you don't understand

[@homemail9653]

I was born and bred in Mthatha in the Transkei and in all honesty if there were a way, I would ask all the people of the Transkei to do the same as Orania.

[@shopekassie]

As your project starts to take shape, we will fight for positions and sell-out and it will never materialize. I am sorry to discourage you.

[@anitapretorius4124]

Contact Belz Mbandla of the amaBheki. They have started already.

[@homemail9653]

@shopekassie this is exactly the point. You couldn't discourage me even if you tried. We need to find our own people. The Orania guy mentioned that they had people who dropped off along the way when one could tell the interests were not aligned. It's a vision that could materialise.

[@homemail9653]

@anitapretorius4124 Thanks for the direction. I suspect the surname is Mabandla. If memory serves, the Mabandlas are of royal birth, so they are probably doing something for their people. Certainly an interesting direction you're pointing me to.

[@simphiweclement4656]

​@homemail9653 where is Transkei?

[@elizabethjulianah]

I am from Nigeria and i understand this Orania system or world view. Thank you Pen for broadcasting this

[@tebogomogotsi2458]

Joost Strydom…you are a gem

[@sibusisodladla6810]

I want this for myself. I want this for my people. I chose to learn from "Compound Interest" and start today. Thank you Pen for this enriching conversation with Joost

[@germaineludik]

This is a historic, iconic interview. Makes my heart so warm and happy. Joost is absolutely correct. The whole world needs this kind of development. We can all develop sustainable, self determining and self led communities that are formed around mutual traditions and values and beliefs etc. This is so exciting!

[@Nkulu_Nkulu]

Yes in your own country not in Africa

[@Unity108]

​@@Nkulu_Nkulu Africa is not a single homogenous group of people ! We are diverse , multicultural communities, making up the large society. We have the right to establish peaceful, well functioning communities that share common values, beliefs & traditions, that does not infringe on anyone else's rights, but they can co - exist peacefully ! Brilliant idea.

[@lm_b5080]

@@Nkulu_Nkulu he makes a very important point here that is not about whether you are white or black - it is about elites exploiting cheap labour. the ANC is doing it as we speak. the question is whether you are in favour of the elites exploiting the poor?

[@phillipjacobus5197]

We can not force anyone to live with who they don't,it's their choice

[@Nkulu_Nkulu]

@@lm_b5080 not no elites it’s white people exploiting blacks. Call it what it is, you already created a system that excluded black people from riches. You have garden boys who are older than your fathers and mothers but you call them boys. Whites have never wanted to coexist with others only want their own things

[@noahjsmit]

As a white Afrikaner, I must thank a black Zulu for breaking the racist stereotype of Oranje. I never knew.

[@jcstrauss]

As a ex Saffer (Afrikaner) now in Australia I am truely proud what the guys are doing . It is great to see my people doing it great . Being an Afrikaner is a great bonus . As a nation forged in Africa through adversity / sweat and belief they can truely be proud . I wish I could be part of it .

[@smw1000]

Australia and NZ were built the same way as Orania - through hard work and sacrifice WITHOUT Black labour.

[@vincymoe85]

Genuine sincere human being. He definitely clarified the story of Orania and its' people.

[@nelisiwenxumalo7301]

I will admit, I was very cagey when I started listening to this conversation but slowly and surely I was turned. This reminds me a bit of what the Middle East countries have been able to do and how they changed the state of their countries. It’s very important to remove yourself from what you know or what you have heard about Orania when listening to this conversation. I’m glad I went with an open mind.

[@sfisomlondo6699]

Thank you Pan for giving us this interview, we've heard a lot about the town but it's great to hear from the horse's mouth

[@neostouchentertainment549]

MOST OF THE BLACK PEOPLE DONT WANT TO START ON THE GROUND IM SAYING THIS AS I AM BLACK ALSO WE FAIL TO PRACTICE "FARGIN" AS VUSI THEMBEKWAYO SAID.... ALL WE WANT IS A FAST LIFE....WHAT A SHAME............NICE ONE PANUEL NTWANA YAM

[@godpenuel]

Blessings, Neo 🙏🏽❤️

[@Drawingboredi]

Most black people definitely do and try but can not do it alone. We need to change how we speak of eachother. How will the collective learn to reimagine if we just keep highligting the negative. They had help! They help eachother let's talk about encouraging this not this thing that you're writing.

[@kgabisiphalime7176]

We need to start some where, regardless how small we start. When we start we need to keep showing up.

[@HansCoche]

Vusi is a great guy, I wish he would get people to listen to him in a broader sense, everybody would be better off.

[@tshwanelommutlana2465]

Thank you Pen for your open mind and bringing this interview to us. I am choking with tears from the sincerity of what Orania stand for . Deep down we all want to be safe and build , work for our family and not pay municipal tax for services that we don’t receive. sadly or rather I am caught in the cycle throwing hard earnings towards short term insurance , food , security etc

[@charlesdavel4455]

Townships can be lifted up following an Orania blueprint. We just need leaders in the communities to start. I want to see the poor people in townships prosper.

[@fantasticfox411]

​@@charlesdavel4455That would be something to behold. This country would flourish.

[@user-lf4kf8ww5o]

Dear Penuel as a 77 year old South African loving SA and sadly seeing how we are successfully destroying our country through poor leadership , this interview with Joost has been so inspired and also a testimony of how 2 intelligent , open-minded young men from totally different backgrounds and with such diverse philosophies and cultures can have such an uplifting and motivational discussion . Joost , you were so articulate and honest and Penuel. …You Rock .

[@WhatsinterestigToday]

I LOVE this. I love how Afrikaaners take themselves and life seriously. Pride founded in humility ❤ with very well-rounded values

[@SafferCA]

I last visited and stayed overnight in 2017. It was a wonderful experience. I spoke English, the service I received was excellent, I didn't experience any prejudice. I wish them all the best and will visit again one day.

[@MjoliQubulashe]

As black people we can also do this, I believe we're very smart. Ingxaki nje sithanda izinto and we don't want to work the land our days.

[@luckykuntwane2556]

I drove to Orania 2 years ago, just to check it out. Drove around few streets, with caution ofcourse 😅. It was so peaceful, clean, Afrikaners building houses and working in the streets. I went to OK Foods (received good customer service) bought food and left. It was the total opposite of what I have heard about the place. Anyway I wish we Blacks can adopt the same principles and start building our communities, our forefathers left the mark, we can follow into their footsteps.

[@tirimadzima4972]

Congratulations Orania for being Masters of Your Own Destiny. Well done Joost for enculcating Christian values. Your Christian values came across in how you conducted yourself in the interview. Great job Pen for the enlightening objective interview.

[@thabangnkomo8307]

I think we bought so much into centralised governance that such an ideas seem so strange when this is how the original man was meant to be and was… Roman capitalistic and governance systems had their time and place but “starting all over or losing everything” is sometimes required to reset and look inward for solutions. Thank you for clearing up these misconceptions we have had about this area, I wish all traditional leaders can remember this is how it should be. I don’t like that we must develop separately if we are ultimately one but I guess one must become better first before being repatriated into society’s Thank you, great interview. Very thought provoking, I guess we must start

[@charlesdavel4455]

Please start. As a young man the future of your people rests on your shoulders.

[@nicodejager8644]

When we carefully scrutinize the current government and (non/false) "democratic" system, we can clearly see that it is managed, driven, given direction from external impetus. Thus, the previous and current governments, pandered to external interests, and still does. Corporatism, where representation in local, provincial and especially national government levels, are owned. And the local puppets, of all colours and creeds, are allowed to eat at the expense of the very people they're are supposed to represent and resolve issue, provide services.... But they don't. And everyone know that they don't. That needs system change, and people able and willing to make their own choices, have real freedom, and most importantly, be willing and able to take responsibility for their choices.

[@thapelomashego8704]

"This is our place and we are the wall, doing our own work is the wall, ppl who mean us harm will soon learn that it doesn't matter how many we are... We are the wall and we will protect our place"🙏🙆🏾‍♂️✊🙌👍 I wish that our black communities could adopt this mentality and protect their neighborhood

[@joedonner9476]

What a great conversation. Zulu and Afrikaner, mutual respect and understanding.

[@APHROTHELLO]

What ive picked up from this interview is; find your people/community and build with them. There has to be a consensus and ideologies must align.

[@molumojohannes809]

This is the best podcast episode in the world. Truth based on facts, facts based on reality. And future being predicted on True leaders of SA of every SA citizens dream😢. Much respect to you Pen 🤌👌👏👏🫶🙌🙏❤ Based on what Strydom is saying... "The future of SA can really only be predicted on all events of the past and how everything will be 🙌👏🫡. I highly belive in what Orania is aiming for. People with nothing but passion for a better reality

[@rowenakoorbanally7226]

What an inspiring interview. If only our leaders could learn take responsibility. May South Africans rise up to truth and integrity

[@gerardswanepoel6698]

Thanks for taking the time and effort to do this interview. You were both absolutely amazing. It gave me, a white South African, many answers and clarity. Thanks Penuel for your efforts, thanks Mbeki for challenging the men with your wisdom and thanks to the Orania people for "vasbyt" and showing the world it can work. This can very easily work in every community in South Africa..... Why don't the real leaders stand up for their heritage, values and their children. Once again thank you for a very informative interview.

[@seamus9750]

Had the pleasure of spending 4 glorious days there....a shining light as to what the whole of South Africa could be... communities pulling together for the greater good !!

[@MelloBelloPhotoStudio]

Shout out to the entire team for being a true media to us because these kinds of conversations are needed in our collapsing country.

[@WhatsinterestigToday]

I cannot express the importance of taking charge of your own future enough. I can avail myself and expertise to building a town with the people in this channel. We have what it takes to restore our dignity and pride. African Woman in Asia.

[@DawnKekana]

I’m also willing and ready but the sad reality is some of our people will have to be left behind …but again, we don’t need the entire black population to start. The willing fee is enough. Out of interest, are you permanently based in Asia?

[@naimoahmed2653]

I remember the Orania community having an agreement with the Xhosa community of Mnyameni on self-reliance. I wonder what happened with that... Great interview by the way.Edit: Joost answered my concern. Glad they still exchanging ideas.

[@pointa2b388]

I watchhed that too, i actually love Oranian concept. Our chiefs in our villages can do this

[@true5188]

What a good knowledge of history came from this young men. Well done . Malema and Anc .....watch and learn

[@mariannaoosthuizen9639]

I feel so proud to be an Afrikaner. Afrikaners is in die minderheid maar ons gees en gedagte wereld is in die meerderheid. Ons weet waarlik wat vryheid beteken en hoe om te STAAN vir ons regte en ons voorregte te geniet. Ons word verdruk deur Baie nasies maar ons gee nooit op om te GLO in wat ons weet die waarheid is en daarvoor te strewe. Ons maak verseker n verskil oral waar ons ons bevind en laat n erfenis agter wanneer ons vertrek vir ons nageslag om op voort te bou.

[@PalesaKomane]

Be proud - I do not understand Afrikaans so i disclaimer.

[@kilimanjarobottom_up941]

This man is quite knowledgeable. I initially just wanted to watch briefly but I ended up watching the whole thing. I can listen to him anytime of the day

[@anastaciaqoachela3809]

One of the best interviews ever how enlightening and nothing complicated just common sense thank you guys

[@mtblover]

Can we have more conversations like this? Mutual respect between 2 young men from different races having an insightful discussion. I enjoyed this a lot.

[@jabulanindlovu9376]

Thank you team for a wonderful conversation with Mr Orania himself. Big up to you Penuel for allowing the guest to shine. You facilitated the conversation with distinction.

[@211539126]

He only does that to white people

[@sizananimleya8668]

Thank you for this episode. Very informative. Eye opening. As Jesus Christ would say, let those who have ears let them hear.

[@pieterjansevanrensburg6223]

Amen🙏

[@sonininyaniso9683]

Jesus never said that its all a hear say!! By the way can we just work without wanting Jesus or God to do for us. Lazy bum blacks!! All they know is prayer

[@merilynsiebert7644]

Amen

[@darrylparfitt6555]

We can learn so much from this idea. I believe this idea can grow into a Dubai.

[@thembalethubigt4019]

True

[@baneliswaaustin4851]

Nope Dubai is tourists place Orania is for beers only

[@MJRSA9404]

​@@baneliswaaustin4851 beers? Ja you very smart ey

[@PB22559]

Orania is the polar opposite to Dubai. You've completely missed the point of what the people are trying to do in Orania.

[@christabelleblue9901]

Aren't they building Neom in Dubai?

[@BHAMBATHA2094]

I'm so happy we get to have this interview. It definitely has answered a lot of questions I had about the Orania movement and what I can say is that we can learn a lot from the people there and how they do things.

[@leleamor7366]

I admire their self-sufficiency. I won't lie and respect amongst each other.

[@martinethevenau69]

This was possibly the best interview I have had the privilege of viewing and listening to. Joost is a young man who is intelligent, well spoken and knows his history. I admire his faith in God and the values that this town was built on. Their success is due to the strong foundation the founders built on and the grit and determination to be independent. Hard work, great ethics and community are what these people are all about. I hope many more Afrikaans South Africans would join them. Excellent respect between Penuel & Joost. God bless South Africa.🙏

[@805err]

As an american living in south africa trying to get a full understanding of what it means to be a south african these are the types of conversations i love and i truly hope there is more of. South africa is a beautiful country that has alot to offer and a long list of reasons to be here. More conversations like this among all the many communities here will only make this a better place

[@Simphiwe007]

Loyalty, hard work and self determination, that's my take. I wish other communities, espwcially blacks and coloureds can learn from this.

[@matsobanelebelo]

This interview was an eye opener, I am glad I watched it. Thank you Penuel.

[@xeroranger]

This is a great interview. I started looking for farm land on property 24... Plenty of land for as little as R10 000 per hectare... It's such a daunting idea and you honestly need people who share the same vision to achieve something like that. I've learn quite a lot from this.

[@wankumwenda]

Shoutout to the team for these clean outdoor visuals and audio. 🙌🏾💯. Very dope conversation as usual.

[@pasekaedmond7309]

Everytime I get a chance to sit down with Afrikaaner folks in auctions. I learn something new about the believe of self doen. Thank you Pen this was insightful Bruh.

[@kuhleteady4418]

I just adore their Ethos regardless of the what is being pervaded about them... Being Hands On everything means somethingspecial to them for them. ✋ ❤

[@Wilhelm5381]

The sincerity of the interviewer and the interviewee reveals the kind of people that should be at the helm of SA. This is a most inspiring interview. Thank you very much. Truly uplifting. Orania is way ahead of the curve.

[@donniebrasco588]

Great show Penual. Extreamly interesting. I followed the Orania concept and their progress for many years now but this show gathered more info about Orania then I could get from all the other media outlets together.

[@eveefstathiou3714]

WOW! Huge respect for these people. Well done and all the best for your future

[@algorsmith8381]

im starting my own gated town, if you believe in personal growth, fairness, democracy, humility , science and technology. If you believe that humanities true purpose is to explore, learn and build your welcome. If you believe that the rules that govern any people should be purely logical and at the best interest of the majority then, your welcome. If you believe humans shouldn't work in the dirt. And find ways to automate as much as possible, your welcome. If you believe we should all have a say in what our town does and we should be able to express it digitally, welcome . And lastly if you believe all helpful discoveries and knowledge should be shared amounts people in the town so that everyone can find problems and improve upon what was initially discovered, learned or built then welcome fellow architect we shall go to the stars as humanity collapses itself.

[@user-wm2xq2iu5b]

I am in, how do we start?

[@PB22559]

Talk is cheap. What have you done so far?

[@thembekatongo5000]

What a meaningful, insightful and enlightening conversation. Both the young men unapologetic and respectful. Thank you for this. No doubt communities doing for themselves is the way FORWARD! There are lessons to learn from this community. Bravo!

[@ndatsaladikisonni9974]

Hey Pen, this the work you have been called to do: talking about things that matter in our age, mining lessons from the past and taking steps in making our present and future better places. God bless your soul jita. Following from Malawi 🇲🇼

[@QuincySitholeKing]

Penuel is special. What a great host !!

[@andrewlowry2142]

A phrase I really admire and try to live by ... the dignity of labour

[@Livermore007]

One must concede their superior progress while we remain divided, engulfed in tribalism. Our unity only surfaces when revelry beckons; we must refrain from harboring animosity towards their advancement, but rather delve into introspection. How many black intellectuals do we boast to this day? Yet, these same scholars have failed to converge in translating our Bantu languages for the advancement of mathematics and science in academia. Regrettably, no academic degrees in our native tongues exist from primary to university levels, nor do we have a medical degree conferred in our language. Despite any animosity, it's undeniable that they outpace us.

[@PietSwart]

With absolutely no disrespect, keep in mind that black intellectuals (en masse) are a fairly young group. After 30 years, we are only now seeing the free thinkers, like Penuel himself, coming to the fore. In that regard, whites have had a head start of a few decades. I have no doubt, that they will now emerge and start projects like the Orania movement, Solidariteit, AfriForum etc.

[@marcebresler1842]

well not really true. You are selling yourself short and it comes with that victim mentality the current government installs in the majority to have a grasp on your future and a means to stay in power. There are many black intellectuals way before, during and after apartheid. Many you already know of if I could guess. You just haven't looked into it. Prosperity and growth aren't a race but a simple mind set to just do and bring those dreams to fruition. All the best! @@PietSwart

[@Livermore007]

@@PietSwart To a certain extent, Piet, that sentiment holds true. However, when I alluded to academics, I meant it in a broader context. Consider this: there have been no efforts, particularly on a policy level, advocated by black academic deans and similar figures let alone the black owned government, aiming to promote the translation of mathematics and science at the university level something that was done for bible in all languages by whites by the way. Yet, the only country that endeavored this path was Somalia, and unfortunately, it didn't meet success. I'm not referring to mere superficial engagement here. Let's examine the Afrikaans community-there lies what I term as political determination to uplift their people. For instance, Afrikaners can pursue studies in their mother tongue, ranging from law and beyond, within university settings. This exemplifies a proactive approach that black leaders, unfortunately, lack. White leaders comprehend the principle of self-preservation, whereas black leaders seem to be plagued with a desire for power, often resulting in dictatorships and political violence. Our vision seems myopic, leading to rampant corruption, even to the extent of embezzling funds designated for basic housing (RDP houses). This isn't about fostering a culture of "young intellectualism"; rather, it stems from a deep-seated self-loathing and victim mentality that paints narratives that whites caused all our issues, which, in my opinion, holds no relevance. Black-owned universities are faltering, if not already fallen Forte in Eastern Cape a good example and it has no degree in first language to date, while previously white-owned schools, now under black ownership, grapple with leadership crises and corruption. These issues emanate from a lack of self-love and a pervasive attitude of indifference towards others as BLACKS. As black individuals, we must begin by cultivating self-appreciation. Look at Orania-the Afrikaners have transformed it through a single guiding principle: self-preservation, fueled by a genuine love for themselves. I could delve further into the plague of black-on-black crime, from political assassinations to taxi violence and the menace of hired killers, which all contribute to the stagnation of black progress under black leadership, still fixated on blaming a white scapegoat.

[@musamanqele6575]

You're very articulate and brilliant in ur thoughts. Sometimes all we need as people is brilliant minds like urself, like minded people with a vision. People will follow, the number of people who wants a great life that has a purpose outweigh the opposite. It is when we have these systems in place that we can build our own schools the will forster such things as language, culture and spirituality

[@charlesdavel4455]

Great interview Pen. I hope it will contribute to change in this country. Because we need it dearly.

[@christinemeyer7163]

Penuel, congratulations on your intro!!What a picture--two youngsters talking about new possibilities! You and Thomas Mabaso (360 experience)must get together and start an ACTION--I see it like a Tsunami over this country--with these kind of new ideas inspiring the youth of South Africa !!I believe there is enough young inspiring leaders who are ready to join in.

[@openminded1957]

It's important to always hear both sides of the story to make informed judgments. I wish our black communities could be inspired to do for self. Beautiful show

[@user-bw2zt5jd9u]

Am pretty sure everyone wishes you could.

[@donovandekock3245]

It was very refreshing seeing young South Africans from different walks of life have this open, honest and civilised discussion, I hope to see more of these type of interactions online. Well done guys.

[@moafrikapartners]

This was such an enlightening episode, cleared a lot of misconceptions about Orania and its people. S/O Pen and the team🇿🇦

[@ThatoKhumaloTK]

Lighting was great. Sound was great. Convo was insightful. Well done.

[@finaldaylight3804]

I urge everyone watching this video to read The Breakdown of Nations by Leopold Kohr...it goes deeper into what Mr Strydom is talking about..small communities part of a bigger country.

[@thevillagechronicles1190]

What Orania is doing with their community based labor is similar to what my mother said they used to do when she was growing up in rural south africa, the community helped each other with labor especially during the planting and harvesting seasons and the families they helped thanked them with some of their harvests. But I guess we can re learn that community togetherness because it works. More importantly no one in my mom's village went hungry in those days because of their community helping each other

[@qzahighdef]

I have so much respect for this interview and the mindset of the people of Orania. We got to hear their side and I must say it's not quite what I expected. A lot of "Ahah" moments indeed

[@michaelvandermerwe616]

What a great interview, well done Pen on putting this into perspective. Well done Joost on speaking so clearly and providing much insights. This is such a great initiative.

[@apandbobs8931]

The interview cleared all the misconceptions i had about Orania,Thank you for this great conversation…We learnt so much!!

[@lodianbothma828]

Thank you for doing your research and going to Orania with an open mind and wanting to get to the crux of why and what the idea and idealism are of what the Boere afrikaners are about!❤

[@philakahlencwane8764]

Wow. What an insightful conversation. Thank you Pen and the team.

[@christinemeyer7163]

Penuel, you said you got watery eyes on some things, I got watery eyes and goosebumps on your conclusion!! May you go from strength to strength, reach your dreams and inspire people around you!!

[@lehlagaremogadime7494]

That part regarding currency there's just a lot to learn from it, I like that idea. Thank you for the podcast Penuel, u always deliver irrespective of the circumstances.

[@vivianwhite2430]

Great Discussion gents! South Africa has amazing potential if we can all change the way we solve problems, come together to work towards a brighter future!