The Penuel Show In Conversation with Mbuso Khoza, uMkhokha, Shaka iLembe, Shembe Church, Homeless

THE PENUEL SHOW WITH MBUSO KHOZA
00:00 - INTRO
04:00 - Biography
13:20 - Spirituality, losing my father
18:10 - Energy transfer
24:05 - Dealing with death
29:05 - Are Zulu's violent
30:45 - Shaka kaSenzangakhona "Zulu"
35:35 - Language & cultural evolution
40:15 - Significance of rings
42:15 - History of polygamy
50:40 - Violence
56:15 - Relationship between violence & peace
1:01:50 - Hardships of life
1:09:00 - Suicidal thoughts
1:12:43 - Dealing with depression
1:18:50 - What's spiritual about Shembe church
1:43:40 - Music & arts industry
1:47:28 - Taking lessons from musical legends
1:52:00 - Learning from others mistakes
2:00:15 - Dangers of being knowledgeable
2:16:02 - The Mbuso Khoza foundation
2:27:20 - Closing comments
2:32:41 - ENDS
Compiled by Khwezi Ndlovu
IG: kzndlovu
Tt: khwezindlovu

[@konvo_za]

THE PENUEL SHOW WITH MBUSO KHOZA 00:00 - INTRO 04:00 - Biography 13:20 - Spirituality, losing my father 18:10 - Energy transfer 24:05 - Dealing with death 29:05 - Are Zulu's violent 30:45 - Shaka kaSenzangakhona "Zulu" 35:35 - Language & cultural evolution 40:15 - Significance of rings 42:15 - History of polygamy 50:40 - Violence 56:15 - Relationship between violence & peace 1:01:50 - Hardships of life 1:09:00 - Suicidal thoughts 1:12:43 - Dealing with depression 1:18:50 - What's spiritual about Shembe church 1:43:40 - Music & arts industry 1:47:28 - Taking lessons from musical legends 1:52:00 - Learning from others mistakes 2:00:15 - Dangers of being knowledgeable 2:16:02 - The Mbuso Khoza foundation 2:27:20 - Closing comments 2:32:41 - ENDS Compiled by Khwezi Ndlovu IG: kzndlovu Tt: khwezindlovu

[@Ttp017]

Thokozani ....oBuuhle

[@wisdomtorku1310]

Too much wisdom and consciousness released here. But Penuel, almost 1 hour of the video is in local language. It makes it difficult for some of us to grasp the whole content. Am Wisdom, connecting from Ghana 🇬🇭

[@MsRoriT]

If you live in the future, you will be anxious. If you live in the past, you will be depressed. If you live in the present, you will have peace of mind.

[@buhlebethuyoyo9121]

If you live in the future, you will be anxious. If you live in the past, you will be depressed and if you live in the present, you will be lost.

[@Vince_78]

Kindly change the word will with the word are and feel how it sounds..."the present".

[@selbybopape23]

These 4 comments are Just Loaded in their different Perspectives

[@bhekifamthembu7283]

I wonder how is your present. How you are happy

[@nkosimandla7687]

Mfowethu siyabonga ngalenkulumo yenu kodwa ifingqwe kakhulu. Ngicela uhlale nalendoda i hora nixoxa nje i topic eyodwa. Noma ke kungaqala ku part 1 kuye ku part 10 ngoba kuningi okukulendoda. Uma nje ningakhuluma nge vibration nithathe i hora lonke etc

[@derickfarnicky6062]

mbuso khoza is a walking library of ancient history and knowlegdge

[@nosiphomkhize9264]

😅I think 😢 that a source of his depression

[@fvckingjosh8297]

✅

[@manqobamahlangu215]

Yes but it's Mbuso Khoza. Please get it right next time. Danko!

[@goitseoneseleka4360]

Please bring Baba Khoza again what an episode Baba Khoza is extremely intelligent

[@faustinodomingos4986]

💯💯💯💯

[@zuzuh5755]

We need part 2,this was too short 😢. David Mashabela give guests time they want.

[@faustinodomingos4986]

@@zuzuh5755 true.we need to gather as much knowledge &wisdom from him while he is still alive.he is a living archives.grooved one time with penuele at soshanguve ko brian pub.was sitting with him.didnt know he is celebrity🤣🤣🤣💯💯

[@thobekankuna1524]

Please 😅

[@sabelomncwabe5818]

Thank you so much Penuel, we are learning about ourselves, spiritual health.. We can still save our nation 🙏

[@oohzulu]

If I had to vote for the interview of the year. I would hold this conversation high in the rankings for 2024. Great show Pen!

[@vusikhumalo3810]

My guy 🎉

[@jabulilenkosi9617]

The should be votes of best interviews you know and I’m with you on that vote ❤

[@ndabenhleshazi6539]

I concur

[@malumskhulu]

For someone who doesn't have formal education, uBab' Mbuso is a well of knowledge. Yeses, ngifunde lukhulu kule episode. May God continue to bless you all. Free Education on this podcast. I must become a paying member.

[@queentladi8238]

African knowledge is soo formal, it makes the modern formal education so informal and inferior 😊

[@sbongamandlamwelase7559]

I was asking myself how on earth this show ain't got sponsors. But now i see why, anything that builds black people either culturally or politically , will on obviously not get the lime light. Damn Penuel is just an exceptional teacher

[@nomsanhlabathi4599]

Europe made us believe that without their opinions of the world “ education “ we are nothing… In actual truth we as blacks are naturally smart but we were made to believe we are dumb,and so we believe it😢

[@Zamanda333]

​@@nomsanhlabathi4599💯🤝

[@salgshaka4483]

Nas says it better,, "we were scholars before Colleges" True knowledge or wisdom❤

[@luckynxumalo4837]

This is not an interview, it's lecture of a highest order!

[@joyfulncube1497]

We need to give Penuel his flowers. He knows how to ask questions and he structures them so well. I am amazed

[@sibonelohashtag]

Without a doubt

[@user-ze4rw6eg3k]

Very true

[@isaacmashego4857]

He asked a lot of good questions.

[@user-ze4rw6eg3k]

And educational too❤

[@happynessmbatha5097]

Ability to move at the pace kaBab'Khoza. Thats amazing, its rare for ppl to understand gifted ppl .

[@Thek53guru]

Yoh! I feel like a thief watching this and learning so much without paying anything. Wow! What an episode😱

[@fortunemashiane721]

Fork Maan😂😂

[@marcuskhumalo228]

Truth

[@tiyangnzima306]

Premium content

[@innocentmashaba9925]

👊👊

[@ndabenhleshazi6539]

Mfethu

[@iNdodanaKaMakhoba]

The fact that Shaka Zulu was "lightskined" is still processing slowly 😮‍💨

[@reversewithpoetry4175]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Codename_deephousejunkie]

The most aggressive of us are light skinned. Sikhule silwa. Silwela ibala elenza ngathi si weak

[@captain.tell.me.hoe.]

​@@Codename_deephousejunkieayikho leyonto 😂😂😂 usuka k'siphi isgodi? . . .

[@Ntombelar4sure-db2yl]

Impela they say Shaka was not dark in complexion even uMntwana wakwaPhindangene the King that was dark in complexion was iSilo sas'Ondini King Cetshwayo.

[@mthunzimhlongo660]

Yep my grandfather once said that and i laughed at him. And now i truly believe it

[@godpenuel]

APOLOGIES: Due to a technical glitch, the episode meant to drop tomorrow morning at 9am was released at midnight on the 6/7th of April 2024. We have decided to leave it to flight, and apologize for the disruption in your regular viewing. We shall fix this moving forward. Thank you for your constant support & please enjoy the episode. 🙏🏽❤️

[@ntokozolizwimkhize8340]

All good, it gives a person like me to watch it again because eerrrr i was lost in so many things. The wealth of knowledge shared here you can't grasp instantly.

[@HBMNkosi-iu8sy]

You need to release more , this was a nice blessing in disguise

[@sizwemsilora9553]

Thanks for clarity Penuel... I thought you air everyday now... But will go through this one as I have cleared my calendar for 9 am... Dankie Penuel...

[@lesanotokelo]

keep on awakening us Pen

[@cromwelgcina9707]

Thanks God for that mistake coz I thing it's good for business chances on Sunday there are more people at home which will translate to more viewership.

[@libraman4202]

The respect that Penuel shows towards Bhut' Mbuso

[@user-uk8hh8gb4c]

Ubaba umbuso is such an amazing human nje, watching him is like BIG! his legendary. Huge thinker ❤🔥🔥🔥

[@KagisoTiroMoimaBlackmotionSA]

This was a master class in both Music and History, Khoza Omuhle. Thanks Penuel.

[@SiphokaziPutini]

What a man, a treasure, truth seeker and knowledge speaker. Siyakuhlonipha bab'uKhoza. Siyabonga

[@siya.mbanga]

Loved this conversation Bab' Khoza. He is basically saying, Life is simple, respect nature and it will respect you back.

[@KhayaVlogs]

“Words can be morphed around by the cause of events, but energy can never change!” Factsssss

[@lehlagaremogadime7494]

Long story short, adapt and be versatile. We give thanks to Ntate Khoza and Penuel for inviting him.

[@SaneleDayeni]

What uBab'uKhoza is saying about vibrations and 433 Hz frequency is similar to what Terrence Howard has been speaking on. This thing of Vibrations really needs some serious attention.

[@pri_ncessbuttercup]

Hey can you please try to explain it further I didn't quite understand fully when uBab' Khoza explained it

[@thabisokevinmbili9158]

I was also watching that video. Powerful

[@sophisticatedimmigrant3912]

Yabona after watching this episode all of us should just walk into any university and get a degree. We’ve been schooled and graduated.

[@MusingoConstruction]

"Many people go to university to call things names" Mbuso Khoza

[@irenenemavhola761]

❤

[@bulelanimama1961]

Mr Khoza needs to write books about his thoughts. This is because his conceptions are deep. They need to be digested and analysed and developed.

[@vusiradebe5737]

I'm glad to have lived in this generation of such greatness, with so much wisdom. izandla zindlulikhanda.

[@sakhiledlamini3783]

Mr Khoza just spoke of his Mom and the Lightning sound had high frequency.It means his Mom was present in the conversation,some people are spiritually strong.

[@ThandiShabalala]

Ingthusile le interview tjooo, The Universe is pleased with it coz ubuloke ubuya nje uziveza.

[@angelamzalisi2102]

Came here because my husband watched this interview TWICE😅

[@PCWP]

I’ll definitely watch it more than twice

[@samshabza2073]

Ur family is blessed. Keep following your husband's wisdom.

[@Umalum_bhastedii]

This might be my 3 favourite 1. Joshua maponga 2. Vusi thembekwayo

[@bonginkosimunyai1153]

With you on that one

[@MsMousy82]

Thats crazy!!!! I barely get through long interviews but those 3 specifically are the ones I did.😊

[@skhalala5333]

We now need zibusiso mkhwanazi

[@bonnysimelane5703]

What about Mr Madondo?

[@blinkym21]

Speaking in vernacular should never be followed by an apology ever… looking forward to this conversation💫.

[@mabutibebula6290]

This honourable man made me cry.... Penuel.Am a xhosa guy frm Uitenhage nd when i was raised by both my parents nd we were jst ok not well off but jst ok. I stayed in Joburg at some point nd i know most places he is talking about. Nd yes am frm the musical family. Thank BabKhoza for such rich insight. Plz come again

[@abelkhosa5149]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 can we have Dr Mbuso Khoza again pleaaaaassseeee

[@Cairo96]

Who is here ebusuku,me yo!!!

[@sphanationsphanation2426]

Sisonke

[@MaximumMax]

Our history being documented, the wisdom indeed need to be passed on. Sibonge bab'Khoza.

[@therevivaltv4256]

They shot while there was a storm ⛈️ and never did they care - men!

[@robinelliot5003]

I think Hendry Cele was born to play the role of Shaka. It's almost impossible to separate the two. For the first time, I have to imagine him as someone else.

[@user-pf2dr2du4c]

If you think that then you have caged your mind to be less limited.

[@SamuelKhama]

Dear Penuel, as somebody who often constructively criticises about intererupting your guests, i must say im am very proud of how you handled this interview, a great one it was thank you🤛

[@kholekatyatyeka4527]

Mr Khoza,you're a treasure of our black children, very brilliant,so gifted.

[@sibisivusi7352]

Awwuuu! Penual and Baba khoza share a clan name Mlotshwa... thank you for bringing the Elder Mkhathini!

[@kimberkhoza6558]

Mlilo

[@QueenKunene]

Thanks Penuel we need such talks as black people , this can heal us ❤

[@ayandabanks2872]

Zul'el'phezulu! Mnini-mandla-onke! Izizwe z'yakhothama phambi kwakho. Wena owazi... Isiqalo nesiphetho. Izintuthwane zidumisa zibabaza ubukhulu bakho, Zithi Bayede!!! Bayede wena owadala lelizulu nomhlaba! O singaba yini, ngaphandle kwakho?! Became my morning prayer since 2019. Siyabonga Mkhathini! 🙌🏾

[@karlgwambe8860]

Just finished watching this episode. I was hesitant to watch it today, thinking my weekly ritual of listening to the show as I’m doing my weekly chores on Monday would be interrupted. Thankfully my eagerness overcame me. For this, I feel my time wasn’t spent, but was invested. Penuel, I requested, on X some time ago via DM, that you do an episode with Mbuso Khoza to hear his comprehensive divulsion of what’s commonly referred to as black culture. So, I’m not sure if I’m the reason for his inclusion as a guest on the show😅. I’ll take the credit though. To be serious, thank you for this. Thank you for allowing him to be lost in his tangents of thoughts. This is the equivalent to listening to an account of family history as told by a grandparent. Thank you!

[@delanimhlongo2833]

Ubaba uKhoza is intelligent 😅

[@grantbradshaw7907]

Good that you interviewing such a man on Zulu culture We all have a love for King Shaka and all the Zulu history and culture

[@mdumkhize6296]

Bab' uMbuso Khoza uyingqwele, what an enlightening conversation and thanks Penuel for such an amazing interview.

[@user-rf3jh4rw9r]

lol this man has taken the blue pill, he knows too much, do we have to realize so much about nature...

[@mlungisimthembu8335]

This is up there with best episodes. Mbuso Khoza must come here often. Pen I like how you brought him back to topic each time you guys digressed. Keep this up.

[@nonameinsouthafrica3315]

This guy is a genius. If you can let him talk, he drifts into different topics and can talk for 2 days about everything. He sounds a lot like Kanye West.

[@ephraimmotho887]

I am so happy with this podcast. The quality of the guests is 💯

[@emabhozenint.1]

SADLY The country is not ready for the mssg

[@peterlesibalanga7242]

My point

[@uMsubathi]

The problem with this thing if the “past & the future” is that it is transported by the present 👊🏽 great podcast guys

[@viewsfromsouthafrica12]

I've been listening for an hour now all I can say is Penuel this will end up being a Classic..Sifundile ❤

[@vusikhumalo3810]

One of my best interviews. I loved him on Umkhokha and everyone in the house knew how much he impressed me with his voice and mannerisms, he portrayed the character in an amazing way. And then this❤

[@mancobamahlalela605]

Babe Khoza dropping Bars over here.

[@sbudashap]

Can’t wait for this genius 🥺

[@MandlaMakhombothi-xl1hp]

A Farmer of thought, a Pan-Africanist, a son of the soil, an African,a fountain of African wisdom!! Mbuso Khoza is a great son of Africa. Very great insight from this wonderful man.

[@mlungisimngadi6171]

"Uyangshaya thats too deep for me".... Many interviewers need to learn this skill.

[@ShakerComedyChannel]

Beautiful interview, I wish he could explain more the story of Shaka without diverting and also the history of surnames

[@user-ux3xv7du7f]

Mlotshwa, ngikuthandani!!!!❤ Thanks Penuel for bringing this legend on my couch. 🙏🇿🇦

[@siphosibeko3398]

I was introduced to Mbuso Khoza by the track he did with Revolution (twins), I have been a fan ever since

[@lebotsiane2507]

Wow......this is new information 🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@siyabulelankelembisa8417]

What an intellectual conversation....

[@Funeral1000]

That Mama Jack Song is my favourite thank you Pen for this great guest may the God in you bless you.

[@mbongenibaldwin7294]

nearly forgot S/O to the videographers and the production team for producing such quality pictures, we don't just enjoy we hear but also what we see

[@thamsanqangxikimane6086]

Meta and matter 🙆🙆 we need more of this from uBhuti Mbuso🤝

[@NBiyelaCapital]

This is the GOAT episode

[@leratozulu5649]

I loved him from his presence when I first saw him...now hearing him in person I am ecstatic....❤❤❤❤❤

[@gordenmphulomolebale8335]

I’ve never seen black pen so calm n down to earth while talking to the guest,I think u met a mankind today🫵🏼

[@NdikhayeNetshiozwi]

thanks for Giving a Mention to My Beloved Friend and neighbour, Mbuso Ndlovu! He is a teacher of music and a traditional man who really hungers to connect young people to their roots through Music and dance. the Two Mbusos will make magic when they meet.

[@kenanawochristophermashupy4281]

This Man is super smart. His a moving library and encyclopedia

[@ntokozothungo3914]

I respect ubabu Khoza he is one of the legends we have in this country. Big Penuel for bringing this legend.

[@malibongwewelcome420]

Walking Library the way he qoutes is 100%

[@nhlanhlangema127]

First time seeing Penuel so intune just sitting absorbing all this information from Bab Khoza, one of thee best podcast🙏🏽

[@ndimlo5207]

Enkosini kakhulu ngale episode bro, please bring uBab'u Khoza kwakhona. Unamava esinomdla kuwo🙏🏾Chosi kukhanye, kwande.

[@anelissamongoe6427]

I love this entire conversation. This is one for my archives.

[@zoemystique7773]

African spirituality ❤ has huge influence on African culture. Interchangeable at most instances. Its absolutely beautiful to have discovered this while im still young. To know my roots has grounded me deeply. ❤❤❤

[@halalisanidanisa4720]

Isangcobe solwazi kubaba uMbuso Khoza siyabonga Penuel

[@asandendaba6464]

The danger of too much knowledge! Siyabonga baba uKhoza and Penuel zidlula ikhanda.

[@user-co9fn3cm7h]

Most people might have noticed this, but I see a lot of improvements in Pen's interviewing skills. You don't interject like before, but you let the speakers express themselves adequately. Keep it up.

[@pasekaedmond7309]

I'm tswana and I'm missing lot of Zulu words. But I've learned alot. Ubaba is a powerhouse of knowledge. Salute

[@aphistamataboge4847]

Let Baba sing for us assemblief.

[@zintlesolani8832]

I am that I am. I have been waiting to hear this from a person with the same skin as me. This 'identity' thing is the one that is holding us back from expanding our consciousness. When you remove your name and surname. Who are you? Dope conversation. I could listen to Mr. Khoza all day. So impactful 😊❤

[@zuzuh5755]

I gave this video a like bcs I love baba uKhoza,uMsuthu,uMaphalala.Ngiyakuthanda baba ngfisa engathi ungabuya kumkhokha noma ku TV. Ungibangela usizi nge soprano yakho baba usucula😢😢. Oh Jeho😢va engathi ungangishayela ingoma nje Msuthu. ❤. Urhandiwe yimi wena baba❤❤❤. SA us sleeping on you. Hlabelela Msuthu ngingazithengazinke izingoma zakho.❤

[@buhlendwandwe8495]

One episode of Mbuso Khoza doesn’t do justice We need him back again

[@thami4036]

ubhuti Mbuso inesipho esengaphezu kokucabanga kwethu.... I have watched this episode twice and I'm blown away.

[@sizwemadonsela4983]

😢😢long overdue ❤

[@siyabongankosi9031]

Today, i witnessed a genius!

[@ThaboButhelezi-qm6td]

Thank you Pen and your guest for this amazing episode. How I wish South African History could be corrected and made mandatory in schools.

[@uMsubathi]

What!!! 😅 What a musician

[@nonhlanhlah]

Now this Respectable Beautiful Human i would love to meet,what an amazing person we share this s world with ,his brain a work of what we perceive as Godly him.what an awesome show it was an to have him .loved it❤

[@thabanikhanya]

Bab' uKhoza is way too deep I can listen to him the whole day,the Black Pen is even out of words or even questions to ask 😅 look at how he sits there and listens.We are all learning and I think we needed 10hrs of this 😅😅😅😊

[@gordenmphulomolebale8335]

Yoooyooo this guy is so real so organic I can listen to him for days❤

[@markwinter7511]

Penuel thank you for at least asking the question. Are Zulu men violent?

[@khumbue5976]

His explanation of Matter and Meta reminds me of Plato’s philosophy

[@sbusibiya8973]

I've enjoyed all of the interview. The 2 hours and 32 minutes seems so short. Masterclass interview. Legendary Mbuso Khoza 👍 👌 👍 👏 👏

[@zakhelelinda2560]

"we wanna do it but we are not doing it" ........be invested and be present in the present

[@mxolisimagubane3204]

Bab'Khoza uqinisile, amazulu don't like competition.

[@theJezreelSoUniversal]

uKhoza omuhle accompanied by a roaring thunder. There is nothing ordinary about this king🤣🤣🤣. If time and availability allows, can uBab’Khoza be a regular in Your show, mfo ka Mlotshwa? This was a treat. 💚💚💚

[@mandlamthoko6513]

Bhuti u Penuel siyabonga ukusilethela umuntu omkhulu kangaka. Siyabonga ukufunda🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@fanelesibongemthethwa153]

Pen yazi back then I could listen to your podcasts and multitask. Yooh I just can't seem to do that. That should tell you how impactful your platform is. God Bless You Brother

[@ConfusedForest-ye1dn]

Babu Mbuso is a music genius and we are so blessed to have him..... Everything about him is real no filters 100% masterpiece

[@nothandonxumalo4460]

i need to listen to the first hour again and again this man is just to deep and i like it

[@gordenmphulomolebale8335]

Me too Sunday afternoon phenda mzala better than watching soccer the whole afternoon 😂

[@kemetforexSA]

the sound he made with that instrument is the one that calls the annunaki down to earth

[@ttgooljc6154]

I heard the sound, it was spiritual... But can u please expand on your observation?

[@GiftSichone-lj1nc]

YOU CAN'T LOVE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO LOVE, THEY'RE SAYING THEY LOVE BUT THEY HAVE TO DO IT, SHOW US THE LOVE.