The People Behind This Cover Up MUST Face Jail

[@stormbroke]

The petition was not demanding her to give back the CBE but to have her stripped of it. It is not enough for her to give something back. She must face consequences.

[@richybatty234]

That's why she sent it back .. she seems to think that everything is now ok .

[@stormbroke]

@@richybatty234 correct. She has given the government the excuse that they can’t take it away because she already gave it back. There needs to be consequences for the vile and very calculating person.

[@DrMontague]

Paula Vennells knew how to rip working tosses off and make a shit pile of money off them, she should be made Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

[@ZiggySA]

My thoughts exactly.

[@czarkusa2018]

Send in the boys in black, no mercy.

[@clivedavies5618]

The CBE is simply a vanity award. Vennells should be handing back all the bonuses she has received each year and face a criminal investigation.

[@petergaskin1811]

Don't worry, the Post Office, and by extension, Ms Whatever her name is, will have HMRC on their backs for the foreseeable future for wrongly stating all this cash from SPMs and Legal Costs to be free from UK Tax in their Accounts. Maybe they'll get done for "False Accounting" too.

[@andydudley1775]

you are right having a bonus by covering up fails is fraud .

[@pabrennan6877]

& pensions

[@irishvicar1963]

And sentenced to prison

[@paulukjames7799]

An Award that least she tried to play the agenda whether Govt or Civil service

[@gowdsake7103]

She MUST have her post office pension stripped as well

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

That should go without saying, but we know she absolutely will still have it if nobody says anything. This government won't do anything unless they are pushed very, very hard. Sorry if I made the government sound like very constipated bowels.

[@10wanderer]

and 20 years in Jail in the Lesbian section

[@cityvisual]

Considered as the proceeds of crime, allegedly knowing that injustice was going on as per the forensic auditors reports?

[@cjsvids8760]

She should pay all her wages to all the Postmasters because she doesn't deserve her money!!

[@gordonwilson6553]

donate it all to the victims

[@markholohan4446]

Dear Novara Please dont let this travesty disappear from the headlines just because the Pm thinks his solution should keep us minions quiet, his solution is far from acceptable and this miscarriage of justice should be kept in the headlines until there is FULL compensation and the people responsible for this are held to accountability. Especially in regards to to IT firm responsible.

[@DrMontague]

Paula Vennells knew how to rip working tosses off and make a shit pile of money off them, she should be made Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

[@CheesyWheelbarrow]

The government is balls deep with Fujitsu. They've got major contracts with a lot of civil service organisations so I seriously doubt the government will actually want to hold them to account.

[@AnnieH-1]

​@@CheesyWheelbarrow Allegedly there are connections between a significant cough Cons. Leader his father in law and jujuu. Jitsu.

[@markbriten6999]

Mate they've been called out for years by private eye and computer weekly. Says it all, public domain for over a decade fuck all. Get an ITV drama and the Tories don't like the bad publicity and actually start to do something. Isn't it a) a pity they didn't before, especially after the win for the sub postmasters. And b) when they first knew, if they say they didn't they are lying as I'm sure they MUST know what's in private eye if nothing else. It averaged an article AT LEAST every other issue

[@marybusch6182]

TRIPLE DAMAGES... These people and anyone like them needs to know that there are REAL Consequences not just a slap on the hand... Heck with 4 dead and god only knows how many divorces and cancers and ill health... You can't just stand there and pretend there were NO CONSEQUENCES to the people you LIED. AND LIED AND LIED to...

[@duncanlgeoghegan6333]

Should be jail time for the executive level, clearly intentional cover up.

[@DrMontague]

Paula Vennells knew how to rip working tosses off and make a shit pile of money off them, she should be made Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

[@ricmac954]

Their actions amount to the perversion of the course of justice. And their legal reps should face consequences, too.

[@anindyamajumdar4088]

Agreed!

[@thomaspridmore106]

But will never happen who’s the fools here us

[@lorenzbroll101]

Any money demanded would have become overpayments and must have been going onto client suspense accounts at Head Office, and thus they would have known the accounting system was 'faulty'. Even at aggregate level, the Period End reconciliation would have shown a mismatch. Obviously, they saw this excess as a source of bonus payments to the ‘management’ Basically, it is conspiracy & corruption.

[@garriejackson9551]

She and the other lying so called bosses should definitely be jailed, they are the criminals.

[@DrMontague]

Paula Vennells knew how to rip working tosses off and make a shit pile of money off them, she should be made Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

[@randyschwaggins]

She's only sorry she got caught. She needs to be made to feel much more sorrow. In prison.

[@robhayes6121]

Don’t send her to prison let her walk with us to face consequences.

[@andydudley1775]

Belphegor will forgive her.

[@paulswales9891]

British justice on the side of whoever got the deepest pockets

[@ashleyupshall7641]

Indeed the British establishment and all its arms Sucks !

[@tiagomestre8487]

There's no such thing as British justice.

[@mikeyoung7660]

Absolutely

[@BoadiceanTruth]

Absolutely! As I know only too well to my cost! 🤬

[@alanfrost4661]

As always

[@nemosays6337]

They should go to prison because what they did was criminal and therefore they should be prosecuted, sentenced and jailed!

[@DrMontague]

Paula Vennells knew how to rip working tosses off and make a shit pile of money off them, she should be made Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

[@maureenmcgrath4664]

Off course! They were happy to send innocent people to prison. To lie and intimidate them and ruin their lives, quite literally in some cases. They must go to prison if justice is served. Those poor people and their families lives were ruined ultimately due to greed and deceit...a horrendous cover up.

[@stevenclarke5606]

I totally agree, but these types never face the consequences for their actions

[@daphneosborne-q1l]

They should already be in prison,the post master were speedily put in prison tho they had done nothing wrong! We needjustice now asp

[@jacksyful]

she and her co criminals MUST face the law of UK!!!

[@DavidJohnson-yg8qm]

The law must be changed. No innocent should have to pay court costs, especially under these circumstances.

[@isabellewhite3505]

It will not happen with this govt unfortunately.

[@marybusch6182]

TRIPLE DAMAGES, PUNITIVE DAMAGES.... There is NO EXCUSE for anybody in the prosecution... or the judges...

[@3GreeneBJ]

Lawyers feasting on the situation turn a £30,000 shortfall into £300,000 of legal costs and then some. That was the Justice Lee Castleton got. Not only POL but external Layers and judges too. Just give them a sniff an off they go. And for what? Sharp suits, posh voices and make it up as they go along. "Really Mrs Coniston - what really happened is that you wanted rid of him didn't you? It was you that placed the concrete lintel over the door in order to crush him. We put it to you that you're a class Olympic weight lifter in another life..... This was premeditated and sinister wasn't it Mrs Coniston..... ?"

[@johnwright9372]

Computer Weekly and Private Eye deserve the credit for exposing this scandal.

[@clarefarmer3358]

Computer Weekly was credited in the video

[@chrisbevis7725]

Lets not forget the TV programs and film that really bought this to the notice of the public.

[@smoosview6103]

As a computer engineer from the 80s this is staggering. Computer forensics could have identified what had happened. Money doesn't just disappear, and how on earth could a court convict these people without any evidence of them receiving or spending the money. The first defense should have been the appointment of a computer forensic to look at the event tracking ..

[@smoosview6103]

@@stefantorpeda White postmasters were affected including the one that the movie is about.

[@stevenclarke5606]

It was the Little Man vs The Royal Mail. It’s the class system

[@clarefarmer3358]

That didn't matter though did it? Even when they discovered the problems with the system they hushed it up. That was the cover up.

[@petergaskin1811]

All this and not one sentence or even word was presented in court as evidentiary support to show the position or existence of a single penny of misappropriated money stated as being the property of the Post Office.

[@andydudley1775]

@@stevenclarke5606 racual remarks we found to be said by the post office investigaors prosicuting people so yes it was and also white people targfeted too .

[@mrdaveythebaby]

Imagine sitting in that room and just accepting you are sending innocent people to jail to protect your own mistakes, and then going home to raise your kids...

[@ricmac954]

Vennels was a CofE priest, into the bargain! What a vile hypocrite!

[@bestbehave]

She also stands in the pulpit and preach Christian values. She’s an Anglican priest now….

[@stevenclarke5606]

@@ricmac954exactly she stood up in church on Sunday’s and preached the Holy than You . She needs jail time .

[@nathanjoseph1539]

They will do that without any second thought of the people they harm. Narcissism is in full force with those in high positions. That's how they get there in the first place.

[@catabaticanabatic3800]

@@ricmac954 What difference does being a Cof E priest make? Are you suggesting that they are better people?

[@noneya5327]

What's DISGUSTING, is that it took a Drama and public out cry for the minimum to be solved!

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

I didn't know anything about this until it was splashed across the national headlines recently. The media silence was insidious!

[@jaxcoss5790]

​@berniethekiwidragon4382 It's been in the media for quite a number of years tbf.

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

@@jaxcoss5790 I must have been somewhat distracted.

[@Tidybitz]

​@@berniethekiwidragon4382... Are you from the UK or not?

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

@@Tidybitz I was born and raised in Hong Kong. I only started living in the UK in 2003.

[@zeea320]

Screw the CBE… she needs to be in Jail.

[@brianligat9493]

And pension stripped

[@JohnMackenzieInverness]

All of the management of the Post Office need to be charged with corruption, perjury , false accounting and fraud ALL plus Fujitsu management of Horizon should also face justice they were paid for a flawed system that lead to this.

[@oldmanonamotorbikeinbucks7604]

​@@JohnMackenzieInverness In view of the Suicides, maybe there could be a basis for charges of Corporate Manslaughter

[@davidoneill9244]

And everyone else involved in the lying, as she a CofE clergyperson !!

[@gordonwilson6553]

some minister she was

[@Iguazu65]

So the Post Office, its lawyers, it expert witnesses and those that signed affidavits all lied or at least were misrepresented by the Post Office. That is criminal perjury, not just contempt of court. The execs closest to the above as well as their internal council and external lawyers should be prosecuted. The Post Office should be stripped of it special legal powers.

[@stephenhall9251]

I’m not a lawyer but isn’t there a Common Law principle relating to ‘Perverting the Course of Justice’? My understanding is that this carries substantial criminal sanctions, including imprisonment?

[@joekeyes2534]

Will there be any accountability for these elites, I doubt it very much.

[@frankcarter6427]

of course not

[@alisdairmclean8605]

Spot on!

[@DrMontague]

Paula Vennells knew how to rip working tosses off and make a shit pile of money off them, she should be made Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

[@ashleyupshall7641]

Not in good old Albion the corrupt establishment looks after their own.

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

​@BluetwoUnlikely to be different; but that's all the more reason we must push for it.

[@lotuselise4432]

All of the Judges should be held to account as well.

[@iansangster3375]

A very good point!

[@hannchris2762]

I so agree with you

[@berryj.greene7090]

The law the law! The great British justice system. Taken on the weight of uncertainty and dubious likelihood, we find the defendant guilty of intention. They would have done it anyway. Jail for remedial training is the only answer unless deportation is an option. We will reconvene tomorrow at 11:30am or is that too early for anyone?

[@chrisbevis7725]

Exactly because they would have or should have known that their was no evidence of theft and none was presented in court. Most of the judge's asked for none and often made their ruling on a generic statement from an absent alleged witness. They are culpable because they did not direct the jury of this fact. Kudos to those judges that did do their job properly - they should be awarded medals imo!

[@simon19162]

Bet you £1000 that nobody at all sees the inside of a jail cell over this. They should but they won´t. The machine protects its own.

[@tomjones9082]

No spoilers!

[@DonaldMackay-x7s]

You won't have any takers on that bet! However, it is all the fault of the apathy of the British voting public....we don't take to the streets for the right reasons!

[@iansangster3375]

Sadly, I must agree. That is our system. Disgraceful and disgusting.

[@hannchris2762]

I'm with you I don't think anyone responsible will see any prison time it won't happen

[@3GreeneBJ]

I hope that your wrong..... but likely you're not!

[@alisdairmclean8605]

For those demanding an inquiry. The whole purpose of a public inquiry is to cover things up. This is the UK. The only outcome of a public inquiry will be 'lessons have been learned'.

[@DrMontague]

Paula Vennells knew how to rip working tosses off and make a shit pile of money off them, she should be made Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

[@amandamcauley]

And "lt must never happen again." Yeah, right.

[@briandouglas2123]

If Joe Public had been involved in a criminal conspiracy to obtain money by deception and threats, he would rightly have been jailed. We should be demanding no less for MPs down.

[@beefsuprem0241]

And the lawyers and the peer running the sideshow all get paid handsomely.

[@timsytanker]

Not very clued up are you? There is an ongoing inquiry going on, you can watch it on KZbin, it’s not going well for the PO. The big hitters will be appearing soon and will receive the grilling they deserve. Criminal proceedings can’t happen until after the inquiry ends.

[@davidburns9766]

I still don’t understand how they think it’s acceptable to make out like they suspected hundreds of Postmasters of SUDDENLY stealing tens of thousands of pounds at the SAME TIME, not even sneakily because they reported it as an issue and were ignored. Before- small discrepancies, as expected. New system- big discrepancies begin, multiple similar reports come in Post office - “is it our system that’s wrong? No, it’s the postmasters that are suddenly all wrong at the same time”

[@truthseeker444]

Today I listened to about 7 hours of the public enquiry. Jarnail Singh's testimony was particularly mind boggling, when shown emails sent from his account, with his name signed on them, he flat out denied he sent them, he could not name one person that had access to his email account that might of sent them. He seemed to be suffering from a total memory loss regarding anything to do with the affair "I cant remember" was his mantra. He also denied being the Post Offices top legal person, he denied it over and over, then a while later when answering another question about how something was his responsibility, he said it was because he was the top legal person....that would be the top legal person that an hour earlier he denied being. Shame on the lot of them!

[@blackislepeastoo]

Very common with politicians - almost the default position of Sturgeon / Hamza in Scotland.

[@alansharman3644]

ive watched a lot of supposedly intelligent people use the i dont know answer to cover for an answer that would see them complisite in this cover up.

[@joyjones2376]

Yes , I watched it yesterday , staggering , after 10 minutes you could see he wasn't the brightest nail on the box -unfortunately nobody was looking for the truth , just their pound of flesh

[@truthseeker444]

@@joyjones2376 Your right there, he sure looked really dumb, and having watched the testimony of other PO staff, and Fujitsu staff, a number of them had wonder how Singh had ever got that job.

[@joansolomon1194]

​@@truthseeker444- diversity.

[@alistairjclark2433]

100% correct until CEOs face jail these scandals will always happen. Fines will never deter them

[@andydudley1775]

paula not been fined she collected every bonus and benefit of doing a good job well.

[@jan1babs]

Not just the call centres told them they were alone. The investigators told them that to their faces. Apparently they were on a bonus system for every prosecution they brought. Sunak's family has links to the Horizon company which may be why the taxpayer is being asked to cover the compensation for the postmasters rather than the company that caused the problem.

[@TheWolfe83]

That is disgusting but I’m sure Sunak is happy for the public to pay for the damage.

[@highpath4776]

Is infosys related to (ICL)Fujitsu , i I am not certain

[@mrdaveythebaby]

Infosys is a partner of Fujitsu. Since 2002.

[@Richard500]

And there Union!

[@alansharman3644]

Maybe sunak should dip into his deep and rich pocket seeing as he has also profited from this despicable crime too.

[@craigyjp]

When I worked at Barclays for 5 years we had regular training on all sorts of topics, one of them was whistleblowers and the right to anonymity as a whistleblower. Unfortunately it seemed the CEO of Barclays never took the training as he went after a whistleblower and tried to find their identity in order to punish them I guess. This just shows you that higher management don't give a toss about people and policies and think they are above everything.

[@andydudley1775]

but they are and well funded with our money.

[@davidthompson797]

One factor that seems to have passed almost unnoticed in this story is that legal fees for the civil case brought by the postmasters totalled £46 million pounds! I've long thought that a National Legal Service is even more of a right than a national health service, how can it be that protection from the law for most people is simply unaffordable? As a citizen I demand the right of free access to the law, under which I agree to live, whenever I need it for my own protection. If Parliament had been full of doctors instead of lawyers maybe this would have happened!

[@MusMasi]

Its there to be used as a weapon of spite for corperations and the wealthy, in this case to harm people whose only crime was to work as post masters to cover up the short comings further up the corporate ladder. Imagine going to jail because your boss screwed up then purposefully Falsely blamed you and called you a thief?

[@Jane-rc2rk]

There is no law for those without the means to access it; I discovered this during my divorce. Eventually my bill was ordered to be paid by my ex husband, but not until I’d had to mortgage my home in order to pay my bill. The people affected by this scandal need us, the public, to keep calling out the ongoing injustice…it an utter disgrace.

[@MaxSafeheaD]

The UK legal system has been "might makes right" for at least 12 years. For anyone seeking compensation, compaines bury the case in years and years of delays, for starters. They will let the pot get bigger and bigger gambling the claimant will run out of time and or money long before they get justice and will be forced to accept a settlement vastly below the compensation they rightly deserve. The heart of British society is completely rotten, has been for 30 years.

[@robwalker3417]

Getting rid of legal aid in the UK was just one of the fundamental rights that have and are slowly being stripped from the people. The political class in the UK are on the whole corrupt and corruptable. This is in no small part due to the populist nature of a dysfunctional two party first past the post system. Every man/woman for himself/herself.

[@patmcguirk5299]

Set up a petition.

[@TheWolfe83]

As per usual people with wealth and power would rather ruin peoples lives than make things right!

[@DrMontague]

Paula Vennells knew how to rip working tosses off and make a shit pile of money off them, she should be made Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

[@ashleyupshall7641]

Well said and so true.

[@vickyserr]

Sounds about right. Sadly😔

[@andydudley1775]

it's been working for the rich for centuries paula did this with full faith in Belphegor and the tory will protect her well and thats exactly what the tory did .

[@timothyharris4708]

You should also have brought in the question of bonuses, since it seems that the Post Office 'investigators' received larger bonuses, the more people they wrongly and successfully accused.

[@gerrardhession2272]

This is Novara’s best segment ever . It shows why setting up the channel was correct .

[@pfrstreetgang7511]

This lady ruined about 700 lives. If she's not charged criminally, it'll verify all the claims of both internal and external enemies of your country, that the UK is horrible.

[@555promonkey]

This is no lady we are talking about but a female member o clergy !!!

[@andydudley1775]

Belphegor will forgive her.

[@grizcuz]

I haven't seen the TV show, so I don't know if this was addressed back then and I know that the Post Office were allowed to bring their own prosecutions. But didn't anyone in the court system consider that 700 people being prosecuted for practically the same offence was a bit weird? Especially when it hadn't happened previously and practically all the people involved didn't have a criminal record. Surely even this fact must've raised some eyebrows somewhere?

[@DrMontague]

each case wasn't heard by the same court/ judge it was individual cases, long before social media

[@pseudonayme7717]

They were deliberately covering it up. So those facts were ignored and covered up, rather than being examined and used to properly serve justice.

[@ar50000]

Exactly. Statistically, what are the chances of 700 people all taking money from ANY employer at ANY one time? It's not possible!

[@caitthecat]

​@@DrMontagueStill weird.

[@clarefarmer3358]

In addition to what's already been said here, there is a strong "computer says no" mentality and too much faith is invested in computerised systems in workplaces and organisations.

[@BrendaPressinger]

This Paula Vennels must be one of the biggest hypocrites ever employed and way overpaid. SHE MUST BE SUED AND PAY OUT HER SAVINGS TO THE WRONGED. Imagine this woman considered becoming a PRIEST. BP

[@eileenwebster4370]

She already is an ordained church if England minister.

[@geezerbutler4582]

The parson’s nose?

[@ClareFlynn-y8w]

Yes another privatisation disgrace. Vennels should have been stripped of her CBE. She and all the others complicit in this persecution and cover up should be made to pay back all the money they stole plus inflated pay and bonuses. Plus prison. See how they like it

[@TraceyCutts]

The post office has one shareholder. The uk government

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

Should have also been stripped of her fortunes and freedom.

[@bestbehave]

Post Office haven’t been privatised, it’s a Ltd corporation owned by the British government

[@DonaldMackay-x7s]

​@@bestbehavenot owned by the British government, owned by you and I.....the taxpayers! The ordinary people of this country don't know the power we hold. Sheer apathy!

[@EricaBassi99]

The same thing happened under the liberal government in Australia during the Robo-debt scandal. People were told they owed money to the govt and it was relentless. Some people took their lives over the pressure they were put under.

[@richardnotley7013]

exactly and locked down during "pandemic" over computer predictions .

[@MrChiptatum]

WHAT ABOUT HER ENORMOUS SALARY AND HOW MUCH SHE RECEIVED IN BONUSES THIS ALL NEED TO BE GIVEN BACK IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE SHE AS THE BOSS MUST BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE DEATHS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE.

[@Uniq_Jer31vs33]

Right, her job needs to be stripped from her

[@DrMontague]

Paula Vennells knew how to rip working tosses off and make a shit pile of money off them, she should be made Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

[@MusMasi]

She needs to have more than just Title and Money stripped from her, peoples lives where ruined and they died, all due to her deliberate MALICE, this was not a case of INCOMPETANCE it was 100% Deliberate and Malicious.

[@davidclemmett4372]

That money is being salted away in Swiss or caribbean banks as we type her properties (plural ) are being turned over to her close family, we won’t get to recover a penny, not unlike the banking crisis

[@GNARLOUSE]

Disgusting. Thanks for explaining this in detail.

[@Thelma7361]

Nothing will happen. This is the UK, rules don’t apply to everyone equally. At best it will be years of inquiries and court processes, delayed the nth degree to protect those involved while spending huge amounts of tax payers money in legal processes, hoping that public interest will wane and they can brush it under the carpet or at least keep it going until the important people have died of old age.

[@GlennMantle]

No the rules don't. They call it diversity (minority rights) . It's the opposite of equality. Same rights/rules for everyone.

[@Dantes38]

Agree with all this. We're well past the point where company directors and bosses have to be held personally liable.

[@jamesrose188]

A very well made video. What a disgrace, the people in charge must face justice. Thank you.

[@phooichunlau7827]

We have to bring back the importance of accountability of the people in charge of what had happened. The likelihood of prison on the top people could definitely prevent them them from cover up in the future

[@thebytorsnowdog9539]

Makes me think of 'unsafe at any speed' where the car company realise their car is unsafe and could cause death but work out that it will be cheaper to pay out the insurance claims than to recall and fix the cars!

[@richardemily1555]

[@eamonryan2198]

When Nadar's book was and the US government was forced to act, the response of General Motors was to hire a firm to see if they could find any dirt that might discredit him. Unfortunately for GM, Nadar was a boringly dull individual with absolutely no scandal about him. Also remember US Ford and the burning Pinto scandal. Their tactic during the court case when a discovery order was issued, was to bury the relevant information in a mountain of paper. Luckily a Ford employee with a conscience told the plaintiffs where to look. Ford's cover up cost it a lot of money.

[@git606]

She lied in front of the select committee, in front of MP's.... that's perjury, she needs to face consequences

[@stevewhiteside4525]

Watched the first episode last night and what didn't make sense to me was if they'd actually taken money there should be evidence quite separate from Horizon that they'd had it, why weren't they obliged to prove that they'd had the money via bank accounts, spending, etc.

[@paulspencer4713]

Watched the drama about this scandal and I can honestly say I’ve never felt so frustrated and angry at an injustice so devastating that people through absolutely no fault of their own took their own lives , made bankrupt, branded criminals and faced prison, the whole thing is so corrupt the police must get involved and finally clear the names of every single sub postmaster.

[@666nedwos5]

I’ve been following the live streams of the inquiry and I can’t believe the complete incompetence of the investigators, legal departments, and the most sickening thing is that they show no remorse whatsoever 😡😡😡

[@fuzzilu]

Also the amount of forgetfulness each one has, apart from the odd phone call they remember! Did you see Elaine Cottams car crash interview?

[@GlennMantle]

I don't think lying is incompetence. They knew what they were doing and tried to hide it.

[@williamkennedy5492]

Those responsible should now face a court hearing and if found guilty serve time, It is an absolute disgrace what they have done !

[@andrewdoran4572]

Would it be legally feasible for those prosecuted to take out their own legal action ? What about compensation to those that have sadly passed away? Surely this goes above and beyond unfair dismissal, not one stone should be left unturned......a huge nail in the coffin for the government.

[@dinkster1729]

If you are unjustly convicted and jailed in Canada you get millions in damages. Shouldn't that happen here, too? Not to mention compensation for lost wages, pensions & benefits.

[@petergaskin1811]

As an aside, the Post Office are still employing some of the most expensive legal "talent" in the Country to try to whittle down claims for compensation. Even today, even tomorrow even the day after.

[@philipfrancis7303]

Give Private Eye magazine some credit- Its also been banging-on about this enormous scandal for years, too.

[@energybrown]

I first heard about the Post Office scandal a couple of years ago and was amazed why not more was being done to hold them accountable for their disgraceful behaviour. It's insane that it's taken a TV drama to get anyone to give this scandal the attention it deserves. Like you say in the video, the people responsible need to be punished, to deter similar cover ups in the future. This sort of corruption is rife in the UK and we need to put effective systems in place to protect the public.

[@dinkster1729]

Is this drama more factual than "The Crown" though? Is there nothing like 60 Minutes or W5 or The Fifth Estate in the U.K. to do an exposé of this sort of criminality or ineptitude or whatever you want to call it.?

[@annaclarke7643]

Well said Dalia. You have encompassed the whole rottenness of what modern workplaces have become. The class system and the ignorance and incompetence of the judges, did not give the subpostpeople accused of theft any chance of being fairly treated. The ‘establishment’ at the Post Office hierarchy knew that they had the class system on their side. No one cared a toss for the isolated accused whose words of anguish and innocence were just not listened to or believed. Their pain and anguish can never be extinguished.

[@georgechecker4941]

Paula Vennal should be behind bars, along with the CEO of horizon and Fujitsu. Ed Davey needs to be stripped of his knighthood or Sir hood whatever its called with immediate effect. Then all he needs to do is to pay back any bonuses received from this scandall and resign as leader.

[@alanmorris3310]

Hasn't this government just given a contract to Fujitsu to run the NHS? Shameful should all be in jail

[@nickduenas7187]

Paula Venells should be prosecuted and should be in jail for what she has done to the postmasters

[@notquiteoverthehill9576]

Fujitsu is a partner of Infosys. Infosys is owned by PM Sunak’s wife’s family. Gillian Keegan’s husband was the CEO of Fujitsu Tory gov gave £4.9B contracts to Fujitsu post-Horizon scandal, Sunak alone accounted for £3.6B.

[@colinthomas4826]

I was replaced by a 20 million pound computer system that couldn't do what I did for a fraction of that price and I ended up being paid to correct the problems created. Funny old life.

[@peagames2002]

Here I thought finnish post office scandal was the worst (workers had their pay reduced while higher ups had a big pay raise). This was supported by two SDP politicians, both of them fortunately out of politics after 5 years.

[@richardemily1555]

That wouldn't even be a scandal here, that's just 'last Tuesday' in the UK.

[@DrMontague]

Paula Vennells knew how to rip working tosses off and make a shit pile of money off them, she should be made Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

[@peagames2002]

@@richardemily1555 Damn, UK needs a break once a while. I doubt afternoon tea could solve all of that bs.

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

​@@peagames2002No, it won't.

[@peagames2002]

@@berniethekiwidragon4382 Well, hopefully you make it to vote next government. Pray they don't make the downhill more steep.

[@MadCatLady28]

Do we need every damned thing to be dramatised for the general public to understand incompetence, mismanagement and corruption happening at the highest levels of society?

[@oldmanjdee]

Yes.

[@MadCatLady28]

@@oldmanjdee that's so depressing.

[@JohnSnow-vf8jo]

There are a lot of people regarding these subjects that should be jailed for a long time, this includes quite a few politicians, but they all look out for each other and justice will never be done in our highly corrupt country.

[@louieuow]

Pass a retrospective law to put the PO and Fujitsu executives in prison!

[@raypearson2461]

The use of NDA's proves a cover up and the withholding of evidence for the defence is a crime the police should investigate and charge not just the PO bosses but Fugitsu as well . This is a disgusting use of privilege that also should be investigated. Where innocent people are falsely accused and convicted this goes beyond justice. These expert's that testified for PO must be accountable for falsely providing evidence in court. Lying to a judge is criminal. Call out and jail all involved and Fugitsu needs to be held to account.

[@DavidJohnson-yg8qm]

It is perjury and that is why it carries a jail sentence.

[@kelleemerson9510]

Perfect example of why we should never give up money (i.e. cash in hand). When they try to give you more money to go totally digital it's really a shovel to dig your own grave.

[@TheManxMarauder]

Arrest without bail, let’s get the UK to lead by example. Don’t wait 5 years for the trial and then sentence a 70 yo criminal. Get this woman and others locked up now

[@E.Escharcha]

Not as a result of the Horizon system, injustice as a result of the incompetence,dishonesty and mean spiritedness of the Post Office. Send every investigator, executive and prosecutor to prison for life,just because they covered it up.

[@meighme8540]

Justice and nothing less

[@wobby1516]

You’re absolutely right, I just hope and pray that those responsible feel the full force of the law. Both these cases are truly sickening, sadly they take far too long to resolve. If I.T. Systems were really that robust, why do we get constant patches and updates ?

[@mrdaveythebaby]

How long did Zahawi spend in jail for avoiding millions of pounds in taxes again? Can't seem to find details of his trial...

[@annmccrindle]

What would have happened to the post office workers if that program wasn’t on tv absolutely disgusting

[@celestesmith6060]

Fujitsu have to pay billions in compensation, never get a government contract ever again and the execs need to be tried on the evidence for deception and perjury.

[@pauljohnson1776]

They should pay back, or forfeit all bonuses to the compensation pot. What these people did was cruel, immoral, deceitful & crimminal ! They knowingly drove innocent people into prison, bankruptcy & debt, not to mention health, metal health and reputational ruin. They need to lay for their actions and not just financially.

[@kellyheighway5411]

Michael, you appeared to forget about another miscarriage of injustice case which is of the Hillsborough disaster. No one was held accountable for that, face it our justice system sucks

[@ricmac954]

No. It's non-existent except for the wealthy

[@paulmason5350]

Every single one of the executives, senior managers, legal team and so called investigators and auditors of both the Post Office and Fujitsu has apparently covered up, failed to disclose evidence or outright lied about this issue. I have been watching the inquiry and they knew there were problems in 1999! E&Y carried out an audit of the IT development and identified serious shortcomings and failures, they recommended it was abandoned. 2003 they identified balancing issues, system failures and so on. How on earth they ever got away with court cases is beyond me. I used to work in audit and would like to think that I and my team would have spoken out about these failings before any court cases were being considered. The people involved are still trying to cover up to the inquiry even now. “I don’t recall, I don’t remember, it must have been somebody else”. They could occupy the Post Office wing in prison there are certainly enough of them. The vast majoriare are guilty of perjury and preventing the course of justice. Starting with the CEO of the post office lock them all up and show these tinpot dictators they are not above the law.

[@rogerstrachan7619]

They were unionised; the union was useless and corrupt, that was one of the issues

[@daiu48]

Interesting- no mention of the CWU - especially the negotiating role of the past union leaders and the fact that the sub post masters were not considered as employees . The privatisation process in 2013, the victimisation of posties and employee substitutions and downsizing all had an effect on the present system. Not least, the ‘fraternity’ closing ranks to protect itself from prosecution…

[@dannyk8000]

She is sorry now that she has been caught. What about the years innocent people spent in prison? She must go to prison!

[@Aumscuba]

Winston Roddick was the Judge that sent Noel Thomas to 9 months imprisonment for false accounting. Why did he do that. There were over 100 letters of support for Mr Thomas. Was pressure put on Roddick. We're the judges also in on the scandal?

[@lewiscooney]

Dalia is spot on here. I keep coming back to this video for her analysis on corporate workplaces. Great work!

[@-win-]

Yes, Paula gave it back, yay, but how dysfunctional is a bunch of leaders to give it to her in the first place

[@peterteagleteagle9958]

Why do think the police are not investigating, because the government doesn't,t want them investigating ,

[@johnnorton9487]

Petition to confirm all post masters receive FULL compensation and not paying a single penny in legal fees the legal fees being paid from Vennells golden handshake and pension and Fujitsu as well

[@basfinnis]

As a right on Christian she pushed for the prosecution of the post masters.

[@paramidge8935]

Nothing 'right on' about the 'Tory party at prayer'.

[@MusMasi]

right on hypocrite

[@JohnBath-f8p]

There are serious concerns about Vennels priesthood and that she was shortlisted for the position of Bishop of London These concerns come from ordinary parishioners and ground level clergy.

[@martindoman7315]

Doesn't say much for Christian values. The buck stops with Vennels. There'll be a massive outcry if she doesn't serve time and make financial reparation. If there's a he'll, she won't be needing her heating allowance.

[@martindoman7315]

HELL, not he'll.

[@desmondmagrath8262]

The architect of the system at Fujitsu told investigators in 2012 that the system could be accessed remotely. It took the Post Office until 2019 to admit that sub post offices could be so accessed. What was going on?

[@paulrailton1511]

Didn't Andrew Bridgen MP play a massive part in exposing this scandal.

[@mrelba9176]

Don't try and redeem him.

[@metalicminer6231]

​@@mrelba9176 😂

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

The only MP's name I've heard associated with this case was Arbuthnot's, and even he in an interview refused to take credit for anything.

[@petersullivan2837]

Surely if the complainants won their case then the loser, the post office, should pay all legal costs

[@Alex191757]

This is horrific . Yes , They need to go to jail . And the punishment needs to reflect the damage . And the judge needs to lose his job because he was criminally negligent because he believed the machine !!! And only the machine .

[@marybusch6182]

PERJURY, PERJURY, PERJURY... and jail time. Nothing else will stop the lying....

[@philcarver9025]

perverting the course of justice: giving false information the the court .sending people to jail

[@ashleyupshall7641]

This was in the public domain way before the ITV drama. The Goverment, Fujitsu, the police and the P.O. are all guilty parties and they all must pay. The whole sordid episode stinks, a lying nest of vipers, it’s a national disgrace.

[@sarahintheuk5928]

Definitely they need to be held accountable.

[@ronhudson3334]

Paula Vennells should not be allowed to return the C.B.E! IT SHOULD BE CEREMONIALLY TAKEN AWAY.

[@chrisfell5073]

The management and even the Directors knew as did the lawyers. The postmaster were aggressively steam rollered. The compensation should be in the £ millions with the PO paying all legal fees.

[@inspectortanzi]

She didn't return her CBE in the post, did she?

[@basfinnis]

Very good

[@highpath4776]

@@basfinnis in fairness royal mail is now separate from PO(C)Ltd

[@catherton4]

Let's be clear, the problem was not the computer system, it was the people managing its implementation and its ongoing use. If those people had done their jobs, the whole thing would have had a much better resolution than the managed convictions of innocent people.

[@badrhetoric5637]

These monsters are guilty of murder, plain and simple.

[@toddchesterman4871]

Hey mate. I'm from Australia and I only just learned about this scandal but I was blown away by how similar it is to the Robodebt scandal in Australia. Might want to look into that, could be an even bigger story

[@hiushihiushi9032]

That's at least 140 million minimum that the crown needs to compensate. And yes send those that obviously falsely convicted to jail. If they were not guilty how could they have been found guilty. The facts of guilt do not exist. The facts of incompetence guilt does.

[@MusMasi]

Its not incompetance but outright malicious lies and perjury, they must of committed perjury thousands of times. If the Justice system was not corrupt and lazy they could put these people in prison.

[@hiushihiushi9032]

@MusMasi veritas. The system is plausible, in degrees, but its constituited with greedy corrupt moral compassless sycophants.

[@robinmabbott7334]

How many of you really believe that anythibng will happen to them . This is Great Britain and we all know that the high and mighty will never face real justice

[@joydivider42]

MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE! MUST FACE JAIL! Im angry that it took an itv drama when the cover up has been going on for decades. This is way beyond a scandal and goes to the core of how we are controlled in one of the most corrupt countries in the world!

[@sensibledriver933]

First time ive ever agreed with Novara Media. Keep the pressure on Guys.

[@orangetara4268]

My partner had a manager in his business fraud him, stealing money on a daily basis for over 16 years before someone noticed. She was finally prosecuted and imprisoned. However, it took my partner 2 years of his own efforts of forensic accounting through the books to gather evidence for that prosecution. It would have been impossible to fathom if the system was computerized plus, if he had not done it, the police wouldn’t have either. She also got legal aid for her defense. Her 4 year sentence was reduced by half. She only paid back 10% of what she stole through proceeds of crime, which we had to push for. It took my partner at least 5 years to recover the business through his sheer determination and hard work. The system seem to support her the perpetrator more than us the victim. In some cases, crime pays.

[@Unknownvillian___]

This is for all crimes I’m in Australia and victims are second class compared to the criminals. They go to prison and are protected so much , it’s disgusting no justice what so ever

[@SNAFUferret]

Definitely no conflict of interest in Rishi's Sec of State for Education being married to the UK CEO of Fujitsu. 😂 Quite a pattern developing of senior Tories being married to CEOs of problematic businesses. Problematic for taxpayers that is. Not the troughers obvs.