The Perfect 1080p GPU For Star Citizen?

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

What do you think? Which one of these would you recommend to someone for 1080p?

[@DevouringKing]

RX6700 nonXT for 299€ average 150fps, inspace up to 250fps, i did a video in reddit to demonstrate it. 170 fps in stations. and i play on 1440p. (CPU is AMD 5800X3D)

[@kyleeaton2717]

6800 xt will get you 60 fps for the lows at 1080p ultra settings. that's my minimum recommendation

[@DevouringKing]

@@kyleeaton2717 i got 150fps average on medium details 1440p with a far far weaker amd card. so you are wrong.

[@johnzoidberg1160]

​@@kyleeaton2717 the non XT Rx6800 does pretty good too for 1080p if you're feeling someone do a build in the future.

[@Angelo_Nicolson]

I have a 2080 TI, and it performs well. Its mainly star citizen server frame rate holding smooth game play back.

[@johnzoidberg1160]

I feel really well positioned for the future thanks to your discord crew. I've got a 5800x3D that smashes it out of the park and a RX6800 (non XT) that gives me great frames @1080p even though it's maxed out. All I need to upgrade in the next several years should be my GPU. Until then 1080p upscaled to 2k looks phenomenal.

[@RatikusuCh]

Just picked built my best friend a PC with a 6700XT. Black friday deals came through for me. Always going for the 12GB

[@chaoscorgi9348]

I've been happily watching your scientific videos on hardware for SC for a few years now, and appreciate them mightily. Making low to md-range setups well below $1k that are playable in SC is a niche I've been in & will continue to be in a for a couple years more, and the fact that your content includes and supports this sort of mindset is awesome-thank you for continuing to do this! My rig is a a Ryzen 5600 and a 1070. I play at 1080p just fine on a 4K tv fuzzy from non native resolution and am wanting to play at 1440p upscaled to 4k. Am I correct to assume that if I'm on a budget, wanting to stay with Nvidia & having a 650w power supply, that a used 3060ti is going to be the best bang for the buck until Nvidia comes out with a better 1440p card with 12-16GB?

[@DevilbyMoonlight]

switched laptops a month ago, previous was MSI GE73 i7 8750h GTX1060, 32 GB of ram to MSI Alpha 17CV, 7945HX gtx 4060, and put 64 GB of really quick ram in it, running the AI mode for performance in the MSI center, I dont see the frames drop below 54 anywhere, and it usually picks up after a while in those places or if I visit the place again the frames are higher, and most of the time they run at 67-98 on the stations and 60-78 on on the surface space ports, in space I get around 90-124, as on my previous laptop I have removed all the junk that can be removed safely and trimmed back on cycle stealing services without compromising the system, it doesnt appear to get anywhere near as hot so not needed to tinker with tools like throttlestop to keep the temps down like on the old one, the machine is a monster for the price.

[@lucienlachence]

im playing on msi rtx 3060 12gb gaming x trio LHR and havent less than 30fps anywere

[@jawshbawx1483]

I have a 3060 12g and a 7800x3d and SC plays great on it at 1440

[@BboyCorrosive]

Question, since I've got a 5800x3d, I'm always gpu bound with my 2080, one thing I noticed is the vram is always maxed, is that the case for better g cards and if so, does it eventually balance out.

[@house382]

This but with a 3070.

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

What resolution are you playing at? Nvidia cards seem to cope much better than AMD ones when they run out of VRAM, so I imagine you will be fine for the foreseeable future.

[@iKennectz]

Turn off half your threads, you're bottlenecking yourself by having too many. 8 cores/8 Threads runs best regardless of how many you have. This channel has done a comparison between using all the threads and turning off half of them and the game was nearly 10fps higher average with half of the threads turned off.

[@bsavagestudios]

I'm going from an AMD FX6300 with a GTX1060 6GB to an i9 14900k with an RTX 4060... I cannot wait. I've needed an upgrade for some time.

[@commanderoof4578]

Before even watching cus ads... my guess is 3060 12GB And now ive watched it... but i would still say 3060 12GB the price for the 4060 is abysmal its way to high for what it is But yes thats only if the person is comfortable getting a used card otherwise with the 3060 12GB's price not having dropped then a 4060 is an OK option but I would still rather the 6700xt

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yeah its interesting, I managed to pick up the 3060 for £222 and the 4060 for £263 in the black friday sales (both new), so at those prices I'd probably say the 4060 is at least £40 better. But like you say, I think the 6700XT would still be the one to go for, especially second hand!

[@ImreBertalan86]

I know this is not the place, but I have to mention I'm still boycotting NVidia because of what Jensen said and because of their predatory pricing. And as we could see it, 6700XT looks to be the better choice either way. A tad more expensive tho... A 5700 vs 6700 vs 7700 matchup could also be interesing. (If somebody does not know: he said to a reported, who asked what should players do if they simply have no 2000$ for a graphics card (4090 MSRP). He said "get a better job, or maybe a second job. Then you'll be able to afford it")

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yep a fair viewpoint, it's fair to say that Jensen is an interesting character.

[@EnemyDwarf-TTV]

these numbers seem to be off, I Have 2 systems, My 3060ti, gets well above what your showing here, in exact same spot on orison roof at 1440p im getting around 100-110fps, this is what your showing the 4080 achieving, and even then my 3060ti is still not at 100% usage as its very single thread dependant around these locations.

[@Dogtanyun]

I have a r7 5700x with rx 7800 xt on 1080p max settings and I only get 41 average fps in area 18. Why?

[@obj_obj]

I'm running the game at 1080p on an overclocked 6650xt. Also, a used 6900xt is nearing $400 (only $100 more expensive than a new 6700xt!)

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

That's a good price for a 6900xt!

[@Battallavate]

Rocking a GTX 1070 (with 5700X and 32GB of RAM) and it works perfectly fine at 1080p. Don't forget it's just CryEngine which isn't exactly "new" at this point

[@GeneOh]

I have a 3060ti, and I'll upgrade when the 5070 comes out.

[@iKennectz]

For anyone looking for a cheap Intel processor that is perfectly capable of 60FPS at 1440p, I recently upgraded from an i5 8600k to an i7 9700K and I went from unplayable frames in cities and about 30-40FPS in space, to a steady 50-60 fps anywhere in the game. It cost £100 instead of the £500 it would have cost to upgrade my motherboard and processor to the ones that everyone recommends for SC and I get the same FPS as each of my friends that play with brand new hardware. Arena commander can sit at 70+ fps comfortably. It is the last generation of processors from Intel that did not use hyperthreading and e-cores, both negatively affect performance in SC. It has 8 cores and 8 threads, which is the absolute sweet spot for SC. It can achieve a higher core speed than the processors that everyone recommends as well. I have it paired with a 1080ti 11gb than I have had for nearly a decade now, and it still doesn't bottleneck the system at all and does not go above 80% in VRAM usage. Can't wait for the engine updates, because I'm expecting to have the FPS locked at roughly 75 with how it currently runs.

[@GRAVELPI7]

Hi there! Could you imagine the RTX 4060 TI 16GB as a good card using DLSS on 1440p, since DLSS is now implemented in 3.23.1? I would like to know how the card performs with its 16GB and DLSS "high quality mode". Kind regards. 🙂

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Hi, yeah i imagine that would work pretty well at 1440p using dlss! The 16GB should mean that it will last for a long time with no vram worries!

[@OcTainXS]

Just curious, how about 7800 XT would work out? Doesn't AMD also have some kind of global illumination?

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

Yes, AMD has Ray Tracing on the RX6000 and RX7000 series GPUs, but it is a generation behind Nvidia. That means with Ray Tracing the AMD RX6000 series cards perform as well as RTX20 series Nvidia cards. The AMD RX7000 series cards ray tracing performance is on par with RTX30 series cards. So a RX6900 is on par with a RTX2080 and a RX6600 is on par with a RTX2060. Moving up a generation The RX7900 is on par with a RTX3090 in ray tracing performance and a RX7600 is on par with a RTX3060. From everything I have heard you don't want to use ray tracing on the low end cards regardless of generation or manufacturer. The RTX4000 series doesn't seem to have a significant improvement over the RTX3000 series, with the RTX4090 being in a class of its own (nothing competes with the 4090). Also the AMD cards are better as regular rasturization than the Nvidia cards and the the AMD cards cost less for better performance than Nvidia. I currently have a Sapphire Pulse AMD RX6800. I haven't had driver instability problems and the one time I thought I did it actually turned out to be a bad Gskill RAM stick (replaced for free under Gskill's lifetime warranty).

[@Astravall]

If i'm not mistaken on CitizenCon they had a panel regarding the Global Illumination raytracing technology where they showed it off with a Radeon 6900XT. I think they even mentioned they use an AMD toolkit to achieve it. ... i think i found the video about it. They base it on AMD GI 1.0: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rny6kmeNpLmejJYsi=Hg3_r3NjFV02Sgqk&t=2263

[@melkan5]

I have a 7600 cpu and I am planning to buy a 4070, but I have not seen any information about this hardware in your videos. Can you make a video about them?

[@lachlanamos9167]

can you do the 7700 xt and the 7800 xt. I'm considering buying the xix ones and don't know which one i should go for.

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

It get's more and more pricey as you get to the higher end cards- but at some stage in the future I'll try to pick them up!

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

I rock a 3060 12GB, so any card that does better is both financially outta my reach, and if anything would require the acquisition of a new PSU, and if I was going to do that, I would upgrade to a PCIE Gen 4 board AND a new CPU before investing the funds I have to save to get a new GPU

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Game is very playable with the 3060 if you've already got one. Completely agree, a cpu upgrade is the better option in most cases!

[@shredidiah7873]

But isn’t the 4060 128 bit v the 3060 which is 192 bit, is that not a factor?

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Doesn't seem to be at the moment. Nvidia seem pretty confident in their compression techniques and improve each generation!

[@nathanforrester5140]

great as always

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Thank you!

[@JackMarshall1701]

I have a 3060ti, overclocked and get 60+fps in 1440p on an i7 12.9k 64 ram

[@Koohwipx]

I’m on a 2060m with a 10700 and up until 3.21 my computer ran fine getting about 40 fps on Lorville now down to about 25fps in Lorville, 30fps in space, and about 10fps during pve. Sadly unplayable at these specs anymore

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yeah unfortunately lorville has become pretty brutal. I imagine the 10700 is showing its age now.

[@nemanjagavrilovic8812]

Brother, I am playing on i5-4670k with rx 580 and 16 gigs of ddr3 ram. You can set pagining file to your SSD, it does help quite a bit. I have to say I play everyting on low :D

[@papaschlumpf2149]

whats about the 10gig rx6700? same pricerange as 4060.

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yeah it should be a good option. I'm slightly wary about the 10gb of vram on an amd card seeing as 8gb causes all sorts of problems on the 6600 and 7600xt. But I think 10gb should be enough at 1080p for the foreseeable future.

[@DevouringKing]

I have it. RX6700 nonXT for 299€ average 150fps, inspace up to 250fps, i did a video in reddit to demonstrate it. 170 fps in stations. and i play on 1440p. (CPU is AMD 5800X3D)

[@faristhehonest]

Great video!! Make a video for 1440p

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

1440p GPU's cost a lot more money- but I'll try to pick up some good deals over the next year!

[@thesadkermits52]

will it be playble with 32 gig of ram a 3060 and a 15 12400f? please respond as sood as you can since im planning on buying soon

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yep will be playable with that system! Won't be perfect- but no system is at this stage.

[@RifRafJonesy]

Anyone recommending a 3060 needs to be careful. There are several different 3060s, a scummy Nvidia move.

[@lukepauls8847]

so a regular Nvidia move then?

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yep very good point!

[@Miguelskytwins]

Can you elaborate?

[@RifRafJonesy]

There is a 6, 8 and 12 gb vram model. They also have different specs besides that. Basically 3 different gpus, all with the same name. That's not counting the mobile versions for laptops.

[@Miguelskytwins]

@@RifRafJonesy gotcha. Thank you

[@asog88]

How much better should the 4060ti be than the 4060?

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmHEmKKdbteqZpY this should give some idea!

[@asog88]

@@tenpoundfortytwo thanks!

[@Nanagnammo]

watched the video and pushed "order" on my cart with the 6700xt in it

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Enjoy!

[@draakdeon]

what cpu would you suggest? the intel i7-12700 or the Ryzen 7 5700G or RYZEN 5 5600X? the i7 and r 7 are with rtx 3060 and the r 5 is with a Radeon RX 6750 XT

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Out of those 2 the 12700 will be better. Are they your only options?

[@draakdeon]

@@tenpoundfortytwo yeah, i am just looking to buy a new computer after christmas but not one that is to expensive

[@draakdeon]

​@@tenpoundfortytwo the one with the i7 is the HP OMEN 25L GT14-0718nd

[@obj_obj]

@@draakdeon What's your budget?

[@Leptospirosi]

You could probably buy a better PC for the same price if you buy assembled. I'd go for any AMD4 board and a cheap 7600 if you can: at least it will give you ample space for upgrade in the future. You can run that thing on a cheap power supply and a stock cooler too, and power drawing is very low.

[@swede7581]

rtx3060 12gb i got in new desktop after i had been vram handicaped w old gtx1650 4gb vram...but so far i have seen mayby 2-3 games in 1080p that was better w the 12gb vs 8gb gpu so in the future in 1080p as u said in video might be a good choice w a bit of luck maby??? Thanks 4 video n all info

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yeah it might turn out to be a good buy longer term as VRAM usage goes up!

[@RonPaulBot1234]

Still have my 1080ti was thinking going for a 4070 12 GB any idea how the 1080ti performs vs 4070 and 6700?

[@iKennectz]

I don't think you need to upgrade at all. I have a 1080ti, and the game barely gets it to 60% usage at 1440p and it doesn't get anywhere near using all of the VRAM.

[@LuminairPrime]

Nvidia DLSS is the best upscaler, and SC will support it, so that's a feather in the 3060's cap!

[@toddbair9347]

CIG said they're going to write their own temporal upscaler (and also plan to implement FSR). Seems a bit presumptuous to assume their own custom solution will perform worse than DLSS.

[@LaPiraguaAsesina]

@@toddbair9347 yes it is well know how well CIG do the best code and never have bugs

[@the_loaf]

Would a RX 7600 and an i3 12100f be able to run SC?(ive seen the vid where you say it a bad GPU but would it work)

[@obj_obj]

Get a used 6700xt or an arc a750 instead of the rx 7600. You also probably want a better cpu

[@the_loaf]

@@obj_obj what cpu would you recommend?

[@DevouringKing]

@@the_loaf Wait for the new AMD 5700X3D that come out next month

[@obj_obj]

@@the_loaf what’s your budget for the entire build?

[@kaisersolo76]

I manage to snag a RX 6700 xt £190 for my SC budget Build

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

That's a great deal!

[@rubentaiartinger2640]

2060 running SC in wqhd, fine for me :-D

[@c1996bful]

It would be great if you maked another video for "The Perfect 1440p GPU for Star Citizen" I'm curious if it may be the rtx4060ti 16gb or if there is a better value card

[@DeadWayfes]

7800XT, same 16gb and faster. Can run smoothly and have never seen less than 40fps even in cities and with volumetric clouds... so very good. Save you the extra 100 or so

[@Jasontvnd9]

4060ti 16gb is the worst value card in the entire product stack

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Very expensive to buy all of these cards, but I'll try to pick up some higher end cards over the next year!

[@DevouringKing]

RX6700 nonXT for 299€ average 150fps, inspace up to 250fps, i did a video in reddit to demonstrate it. 170 fps in stations. and i play on 1440p. (CPU is AMD 5800X3D)

[@latjolajban81]

At what resolution? I got a 6950XT and I don't get those numbers.

[@DevouringKing]

@@latjolajban81 1440p what cpu you have ? i have videos on reddit to demonstrate. I can link you my videos in the official star citizen Discord Hardware Channel if you dont believe me. in youtube its only allowed to link youtube links.

[@iKennectz]

1440p 60FPS: i7 9700K 5.2GHZ £100 (Yes, this is old. It's still better than anything Intel has brought out since and still gets about 5 fps difference from my friends that have brand new AMD) ZOTAC 1080TI 11GB £250 (Doesn't go above 80% usage in game currently, and when perf is optimised, should get about 75fps at 100%) 32GB RAM 3600MHZ CORSAIR (OVERCLOCK TO 4000) £80-100, AMAZON, New 750W PSU, £75 1151 Socket Mobo £75 That's £600 for a gaming pc (minus the case) that can play Star Citizen at 1440p at 60FPS in it's current un-optimised state and achieves a lot more in space and in arena commander. I have not found a game that does not run higher than 60fps at 1440p to date, and most of them run closer to 100FPS+. Fuck new hardware

[@saint9487]

In city`s my new1080ti +10850k 32gb (3200ram) go slower close to 1% lows as avg.of test, but QT are 90fps in light fighter or 3D wiew 90-100 but cpu are 40-70% most time and GPU 60-80%. Olnly on foot on planet go 97% with 60fps+

[@Leptospirosi]

The 6700XT, at the current price, is the bare minimum on which to pour money