The "Perfect" Amazon Ergonomic Setup...

[@LordHonkInc]

I've been using a handmade split keyboard for a couple years now, and I swear the feeling you get when you have to type on a regular keyboard after that is like sitting in one of those racecar bucket seats, it just scrunches your shoulders right back up (I have really broad shoulders, so if you aren't built like a brick shithouse YMMV xD). I was never a big proponent of ergonomic gear, but it has honestly changed how I work. No back pain, no neck pain, no wrist pain. And all for $30 in parts and a 3d printer (granted, I cannibalized the cheapest mech keyboard from amazon, so the switches are 💩, but you can't beat it for getting 105 keys AND keycaps for $15). First soldering project, too; way easier than you would think.

[@nomic655]

I think the key to ergonomics is the one thing that wasn't focused on but still found it's way into the video: an adjustable desk. You can get away with cheap chairs so long as they have armrests, any keyboard/mouse you have and a good monitor stand so long as you have a desk you can adjust to your specific height.

[@Abadeez]

Your chair can do that too.....I don't even use armrests on my chairs, that's what my desk is for. So it let's me get closer to the desk and actually sit close enough to have my desk support my arms properly and sit upright. The armrest force you away from the desk making it more likely you'll lean forward instead of keeping your back against the chair as well as not keeping your arms level with your keyboard/mouse.

[@shonole]

I mean they covered it as much as they could - it just goes up and down lol, it's not a desk review.

[@lucutes2936]

Hoooeeee

[@yousef-m5j]

You know I was going to comment then I saw this and thought Damn I don't need to 😮😐🙂

[@YTGamenerd]

I lean back in my chair like an astronaut ready for take off.

[@OrinSorinson]

Logging in in 10, 9, 8...

[@KrisRogos]

I've been using a trackball for 4 years, it was weird at first. But after a few month I started to use it even for gaming. It's been one of the best changes I made.

[@aj383]

I found that I definitely prefer the trackball mouse about 10 years ago.

[@fleggle]

Learning a split keyboard took me 3 months until I was back to speed/touch typing. Could feel the synapses being formed as I remembered where keys were.

[@EternalGamingNet]

The adjustable desk and chair did so much for my comfort and energy level. I haven't found the right keyboard/mouse combo for the "perfect" setup yet. That said being able to stand more and everything being at the correct height has helped so much.

[@EXG21]

The hilarious part is that he installed the lumbar support backwards. Those bumps are for grip so it doesn't move around. The back that touches the chair is straight while the part that will face you will have a small curve. Total Austin mistake. You can tell because you can see the zipper handle which is supposed to be hidden when installed properly. At the end, it was finally installed properly so you can tell someone realized that it was on wrong. Ha ha. There's mixed shots of it correctly and incorrectly installed. Damn I really enjoy this craziness.

[@tippyhatter]

Me, watching this sitting on my plastic chair, with my feet on top of the table: 👁👄👁

[@Pureified]

Literally me 😭

[@Rick40867]

😂😂😂😂 legend ✨

[@NarutoUzumaki-pi7cw]

From India right?

[@Yangorango]

The ultimate shrimp posture.

[@Masaim6]

No one: Austin: You have to take your shoes off for these?

[@j3g]

He's right. I've got one of those swivel foot rest. If you keep your shoes on, it gets dirty real quick and spreads that dirt everywhere. Lol.

[@AceofTunes]

I was like "yeah, that's the point of something like that", hell, I usually have my shoes off

[@GentlyUsedFrog]

@@j3g The point is that it's obvious to everyone EXCEPT Austin

[@Speculatiion]

No one: Me: Lol

[@Masaim6]

@@AceofTunes Now that I wouldn't do either as Austin is right, you shouldn't take your shoes off at work.

[@chojindrak]

Been using the thumb trackball mouse for years and absolutely love it. Don't really have to turn settings up on it, you just kind of get used to giving the ball a little spin when you need to go further distances on the screen. But when it comes to gaming with the mouse, I absolutely love it.

[@Twigz2010]

I've been using a Logitech MX Vertical for 4 years, and I absolutely love it, even for gaming. My only criticism of it is that it uses the same internals as Logitech's basic mice, rather than the better sensor and switches used in the MX Master.

[@LawAndBedlum]

Johanna chose violence today🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@paulknight5018]

As someone who does DSE assessments as part of my work, I am glad Kinsey mentioned something very important, you will only really see the benefits in time. Your inital standing set up is awful. Good to see at the end you were kind of getting to see the "light". It is mainly common sense. A bad set up is fine if you have no problems, but as soon as you get back or wrist problems your body will thank you. Most of all DONT buy the cheapest chair, take some time to look at what is best for you. A sit /standing desk or platform can be a game changer!

[@unique-ad-555]

I find arm rests are generally worse, having your arms resting on the desk and monitor pushed back a bit more is better imo

[@paulknight5018]

@unique-ad-555 arm rests are a little personal choice really. If you have no issues with back hips, etc, and have a strong back core, then they are not required. UK HSE legislation does not make them mandatory.

[@NavyCoyner]

Okay, I’ve always scratched my head about the obsession around the kislux book totes and their practicality, but this one is adorable!! Congratulations

[@SMO32]

I have a gaming PC and i use a similar setup (vertical mouse and a normal keyboard), i personally love it after a long day of work it's very comfortable to sit down and enjoy playing some games.

[@i_am_board_games]

I have been using a kinesis split keyboard for almost a decade now. I purchased it when I tore my rotator cuff. I was able to have one half against my chest and the other on my desk and still type. There was a little bit of getting used to it but now it is all I want to use.

[@lofiplays_live]

Bro got roasted by two people at the same time

[@jackies_world]

I loved the lift mouse so much I got the pink one for my gaming setup. It really alleviated the pain I was feeling in my wrist. It's completely gone now.

[@Bryanwest2571]

That windows start-up sound feeds my soul 😂

[@drgnflms7]

Dang... core memory unlocked with that Vista sound

[@thefatdeuce9149]

Kinsey looking good ❤ crushing out a bit

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

"I'm not going to take my shoes off at work." NUMEROUS episodes of This Is debunk this

[@Edgemaster72]

Switched to a vertical moue about 4 years ago, honestly it kind of baffles me they aren't more popular, it just makes more sense

[@DoubleCTech]

I use a Logitech MX vertical mouse at work and I love it. Before I switched to it I was feeling my wrist at the end of the day.

[@_Turbocat777]

That trackball hate was completely unwarranted 😭 Glad you finally came around to accepting that it was decent. been using the whole line of logitech thumb-ball trackball mice for 20 years. I don't think I could go back to using a regular mouse for any length of time anymore lol.

[@PWingert1966]

Finding left-handed trackball mice is a real challenge same thing with specialist gaming half keyboards.

[@nivlheim09c97]

Trackball mouse is the best thing I've used for work. It saved desk area and my hands are relaxed. The next thing is a drawing pad that I unintentionally used as a mouse.

[@HellsingSage]

I use that track ball mouse every day. You have to clean the internal dots often but it is amazing.

[@KpopApocalypse]

Part of Austin's problems with using ergonomic keyboards or any keyboard in general, if you watch him type, he doesn't have his hands in the proper position over the correct home keys. He also reaches over with his right pointer finger to hit keys he should be hitting with his left pointer finger. And he shifts his hands around. If he actually knew how to type correctly his hands wouldn't shift around as much as they do when he's typing. It's something I've always noticed whenever he shows any type of keyboard and starts typing.

[@cianide99]

I use a Foxboro Trackball mouse at work. The trackball is right in the middle, and right and left click are at each side respectively. I use my index and middle fingers for the trackball, thumb for left click and the ring finger for right click. Switching from this to a normal mouse is seamless, except when I use the Razer Naga Pro. The Naga has a sort of resting shape for the ring finger and when I switch from the Foxboro mouse to the Naga I always tend to right-click the resting shape instead of the actual right-click button. I only use the Naga when my G502 is charging, but i happens every time.

[@MidnightHedgehog365]

You should always think of ergonomics if you work typing majority of the day. My mom worked in IT/Data Infrastructure for decades and she got carpal tunnel is both her hands. She got surgery years ago and is much better but still can never fully recover. Her grip can be weak at times. Main thing is your wrists and posture. You don't need ergo stuff to achieve an ergo set up but it helps.

[@gastronovouac]

I'm using that type of logitech trackballs since 1998 XD soo good! you have to spend about one day or two to be fully adapted, but it's so great, so precise AND you can use them from your sofa, your bed...

[@bubbledoubletrouble]

The trick to ergo chairs is to find an office liquidator. Especially in California where startups go out of business all the time, you can pick up high quality furniture for cheap.

[@randomsheep2949]

I do have a ergonomic mouse, its quite nice. My hand hurts a lot when using a regular mouse for gaming or work at long periods of time, so using an ergonomic mouse is helping my wrist

[@ChristopherOrmond]

I got used to trackball mice. My first laptop had an integrated trackball mouse, and used a trackball mouse because I had a small desk when I was in college.

[@taroven]

I use a trackball for the second computer in a 2-pc setup. If you give them a chance and find the right one for your hand they're fantastic.

[@Akegata42]

I would recommend the Rollermouse Red as a mouse replacement. After I got that during covid I don't even keep my mouse on my desk, I just grab it from the cupboard when I want to do some proper gaming. Otherwise not having to move your hands to the size to move the cursor is fantastic. Also it helt to just run linux with a tiling window manager and do most of your work in a terminal running tmux and neovim, but I'm sure everyone does that already!

[@xmdslipkfanx]

ive had that track ball mouse for over a year. I LOVE it.

[@alejorag]

I've been using that very same Herman Miller chair for close to 4 years now and it's definitely worth the investment in terms of ergonomics (and design ofc). Also you get a TWELVE year warranty so you know your chair will be in top shape for at least over a decade. Two thumbs up from me.

[@MrMega200]

Not to mention some have been known to last 20 years. Such a tiny cost when the time used is considered. Plus people don't think about the time you waste trying to find another chair that works with you or the scarring experience of trying to get by with a broken or worn chair until you can save up for a new one. Or even a regular wooden chair that isn't ergonomic for your setup.

[@LodanSD]

Whenever I get a Computer/Office Chair, it's usually about $20 and of course we have to haul it home ourselves, it's usually heavy and Pre-assembled, and it's usually secondhand from a Bank, But new, they normally run upwards of $1000! BUT, They usually last about 10 years or so before we find welding cracks!

[@devrandvar]

Office depot usually has some low cost all mesh chairs for like $150 that are actually pretty good, I like their chairs better then the $300-$500 chairs that I have.

[@RGudmetalhead]

I use Logitech lift for almost 2 years and I now have so much less wrist pain. Took a while to fully adjust, but these days I can even play shooters with it ( at least as well as used to with regular mice) and when I have to use regular mouse it feels weird.

[@bytehead904]

I've been using a trackball for 30 years now, at least. I developed issues with my right thumb (later diagnosed as arthritis after an extended period of time with extreme pain) and also started having issues with my right shoulder due to me locking my arm and moving the mouse with my entire right arm. It was the Microsoft Trackball, and I tried to keep using them even as they broke (yeah, they're plastic, and a little abuse really makes them stop working) with purchases via Ebay after MS stopped making them. I really prefer using my index and middle fingers on the ball, not my poor arthritic thumb, although even a Logitech trackball still works better for me than a mouse. Go figure. Today, I've discovered Elecom trackballs and use the HUGE model. It's a bit expensive, and I've sworn off the wireless models, they seem to stop working for some reason. The wired one I bought is still doing just fine, although I had to replace it because a cat decided to drop it from my desk onto the hard floor, which broke the scroll wheel.

[@AlainKapture]

The Lift (or any vertical mouse) is the best pourchasse I’ve ever made. My wrist pain did goes away almost instantly

[@WolfIsMySpiritAnimal]

Problem with this is that it's for people of a certain length and size. I'm 6,7 foot, and none of these ergonomic chairs are good for me. After an hour, I feel like my back is going to break. The part that pushes your back straight is pushing the lower part of my back forward, but I have no support at the top. People that are short also have these issues. Just do what's comfortable and you'll be alright. If you feel discomfort after, you might want to adjust some things.

[@animefusion4796]

The consistency and the Idea's to come up with every time. It's a task itself. Happy to see ya every time❤

[@LizU]

I actually have that same chair but in black. It's pretty nice for $40, butt cushion could be better and so could the arms but I can't really complain that much considering how low of a budget I had for a chair. Plus the back "pocket" is actually kinda useful for storing stuff in. You can properly rock in it which I find myself doing a lot, and it's supposed to be adjustable so you can tighten it to get rid of the rocking or loosen it for rocking.

[@dmann1982]

Thumb trackball mice are a lot better than vertical mice, and once you get used to them it can be perfect. Also, I can say that an interesting way to create a wristrest without an ergonomic mousepad is using baby safety foam that sticks to a corner. Seems jank, but it works...

[@nickmagrijn4482]

Due to shoulder issues I'm using the logitech lift myself and it really give me some relief

[@LedZeppelin1333]

I have been using the MX vertical for years and it has been a game changer!

[@magi404]

The edit with the little blue tie when Austin was talking about the chair was hilarious hahahahah well done editor!

[@ShorseyCakes]

Wave keyboard is the best work keyboard ever. Thanks for showing me the updated model.

[@profosist]

I did a review on that Kinesis keyboard many years back. Any/all of my complaints were fixed in the later edge. You really do need the tenting kit to use it properly.

[@TheOutbrakerF1]

1:00 you forgot the absurdly flat mouses like the surface arc and Magic Mouse

[@justinvales91]

4:18 My boss gifted me this keyboard when it launched, it’s definitely cheap but it’s my go-to for EVERYTHING. I understand everyone has a preference but it makes my long hours of typing 10x better!

[@kerc]

I found this keyboard for $5 at a thrift shop in perfect condition! I use it at home where I need to switch between personal and work computers. It is surprisingly comfortable and responsive.

[@justinvales91]

@@kerc wow that’s not bad at all!!! it’s truly amazing for my hands the one i had before made me cramp horribly

[@HannoImmelman]

I would say just having the Logitech vertical mouse would be enough for most people. Me as a programmer can't go without it. Also an adjustable desk is also a good option. I used to back in the day prop up my desk on books just to get the perfect height.

[@kobaiaxii]

Funny that this video drops right about when my RSI worsens and I need to buy a split ortho for ergonomics

[@vincentcloud]

I had an ergo keyboard at home. My work had a standard. I had to throw the one at home away. Going back and forth feels worse than just using a standard. Trackball mouse, great for everyday. DO NOT PLAY AN FPS WITH IT. My thumb would twitch on it, and I could not hit a headshot on easy targets. I use a nice big mouse that lets me rest my hand in it.

[@jgodbee3090]

I was originally dismissive of vertical mice but bought one when I had a wrist injury and never went back.

[@HamsterK37]

You have to be aware of how you rest your elbows as well. Your median nerve can essentially be killed over time if you put too much pressure for too long on it.

[@profosist]

idk about this ergo setup but the actual recommendations when they started adjusting it are good. Im all for a higher min. my opinion you should be looking dead center or maybe a bit above, at the top edge which will make you look down in most cases. I fully agree with the arms length away, also helps with eyestuffs

[@assassinfingersteak3015]

I switched to a vertical mouse a few years ago because I have big hands and I love it!!

[@ryancasteel5160]

My wrist always hurts from the small movements with mouse from having some for of cubital or carpal tunnel so I got a track ball mouse for schoolwork and I really enjoy it and have zero wrist pain now. It is hard on some precise clicks when closing windows or grabbing files but can be mitigated with experience. Will say it is way to jittery to play any shooters competitively but works really well on RTS and 3rd person games

[@carlaustin1093]

I bought 5 of that same chair from a auction site for $5. Usually this site focuses on amazon returns but these were sealed new in box.

[@evilsephiroth21]

ive bought a foot hammock and installed under my desk. and been great for years!

[@gothicchocobo]

Kinsey, you need to get Austin on a finger trackball mouse, and put it between the two halves of the split keyboard.

[@geared4war]

Logitech and Microsoft used to send me about five ergonomic keyboards a year and I love them now.

[@Montisaquadeis]

I love the old 90s Microsoft ergonomic multimedia keyboard

[@Temmie_gaming]

Seeing austin use a trackball mouse was funny too see. The first mouse I ever used was a trackball mouse and was the m570-m575. Been using it since i was 11 or 12 in 2015 or 2016.

[@skipatrolslayer]

I have two of that exact foot rest pillow thing lol. I love it, they're really comfortable.

[@itsmatka8384]

I remember when ergonomics came in. Anyone remember the knee chair Yeah. That started it. Then the track ball, then split keyboard...lol. What a market.

[@squee116]

Ortho split keyboard user here - it takes about a week of adjustment. Also, please tell me the Half Past Two t-shirt is a reference to the ska band!

[@echan7301]

Kinsey is so honest about roasting Austin 😂

[@crunchyfrog555]

Trackball are FAR better than regular mice. I'm slightly disabled and sometimes I get a bit of pain across the hands, so years ago I took a gamble on one and never looked back. I've had a total of 3 of them now and they're damned robust, but they just work better than regular mice. It takes about a day or so to get used to them but it quickly becomes second nature.

[@brettharris-s8n]

Ive used the thumb trackball since the year 2000ish and they are awesome, You do need the dpi turned up though as you say the thumb work can get excessive. Ive even MMO gamed on it too.

[@terranbyte2619]

def be careful for buy cheap ergo chairs for the long term, and if you must. buy some kind of locktight or glue to keep all the load bearing screws and bolts in place. Bought a ergo chair off amazon for around 25-30 USD around the time, and all but 1 load bearing screws untightened themselves after about a year of use.

[@mxss115]

I do WFH, and I also use that same logi vertical mouse, definetly helped reduce the strain on my wrist, I work help desk so I’m glued to my desk for 8 hours a day unfortunately

[@rphusky16]

I am a hardcore gamer, fps games, etc etc. And I use the mx vertical mouse. Took some time getting used to, but my old Logitech G502 just feels odd now!

[@nwerd7584]

I had one of those amazon recommended chairs as the cheap ass I am. And it only lasted a few months. I see they finally listened to people and made the bottom part out of metal, it used to be plastic and I popped 2 of the wheel supports off as the first things to break rendering it totally useless.

[@Xn7000]

Work literally gave me that split keyboard with the tenting kit yesterday and the only thing that breaks my break are the weird hotkeys for our industry specific software. The tenting kit is garbo though. I like the middle position and it falls down all the fucking time.

[@MrMoney331]

I use that trackball mouse. I was not sure I would enjoy it but I have gotten used to it and enjoy it for working. I have a different mouse for gaming.

[@chelseajordan5752]

Why not get a standing desk converter for the countertop? It would definitely help versus hunching over to see the screen.

[@daunting_end4916]

i have a hard wood foot rest that I can just I would recommend that over whatever that pillow was

[@jgodbee3090]

There is debate on the benefit of armrests on chairs. Most chairs do not have armrests that are adjustable enough for them to properly fit into an ergonomic setup, and they can be worse than none at all if in the wrong position.

[@michaeldavidryandanielpaul1990]

Greetz from Newcastle Australia! 👍💙

[@MChief118]

My job had an ergonomic keyboard for about a week until the old guy got pissed off using it as he's used to a traditional keyboard and slammed it against the wall. I will agree it is annoying to get used too.

[@frijoles0007]

The best ergonomic keyboard ever made was the Microsoft Natural Keyboard which came out in 1994. If you could get a mechanical keyboard in that same size and shape.. I would buy it in a second.

[@TheZoenGaming]

A split keyboard needs to be ortholinear for me to use it. The Moonlander or ErgoDox is perfect for relieving my arthritis. I just wish it wasn't so expensive! Business Bloat! It would be nice if Logitech would release a vertical mouse that worked with the Power Play mat. I bought a used Steelcase Leap V2 chair from an office that was closing for about $600. It's great, but I need a headrest and that requires replacing the entire back of the chair! I contacted a service center and getting it switched will cost nearly what I paid for the chair in the first place. Business Bloat strikes again.

[@kevinfransen1255]

I have that Logitech Bluetooth keyboard. I don’t use it on my gaming pc. But I have an external monitor, keyboard, and mouse setup for my MacBook Pro. This is the keyboard I use for that.

[@Peterstarzynskitech]

I'm trying but sometimes my desk is a little short. But at least I try to have something that fits me.

[@dungeonbrownies]

The thing about good ergonomics is there's never a point where you sit down and go, "wow, this is comfortable," it moreso works like, "wow, I sat here for 10 hours and then didnt even notice because I never got Uncomfortable."

[@IamAllanC]

5:40 - Since about 2016, I've never use the feet/tilt on a keyboard. It's healthier for your wrists .... supposedly.

[@b1ca]

ive been using the logi lift for 2 months and i really feel the difference being so much time on the pc

[@EdHadder]

I Love Austin Evans Videos 💙

[@danielhulan3058]

I do deserve a nap every once in a while lol. Thanks Austin!👍😉

[@KontrolStyle]

8:13 I knew someone who used track mouse in quake 2, was near pro levels -- crazy

[@slicked9778]

I had the Logitech Trackman marble mouse when I was younger and I used to game with it. mostly halo ce but yeah, not great for sniping but I'd buy it again for nostalgia sake.

[@humphriesjoe92]

I love my thumb ball mouse, High sensitivity and you can just flick around the screen but ypu roll the ball for more accuracy

[@ORBIT9224]

The wave key keyboard reminds me of a old Microsoft keyboard we got with a pc we bought in the early 2000s. i have 1 huge problem with the mouse's i am left handed try using any of them with your left hand.

[@beawriting]

I love the lift mouse. I use it for work.

[@anova_inc]

As a person who has the body shape of a Matt, I would be really interested in a review like this (especially the chair stuff) with Matt present.