The Philosophy of Saw - Wisecrack Edition

[@DrZZZee]

Brutal violence is shown explicitly, but swears are blipped and blurred? C'mon!

[@seemasharma8801]

Hahahaha

[@timschwarz1386]

Murica

[@thomascullen3911]

'Public' censorship believes that swearing and nudity will do more harm to a person's psyche than depictions of brutality, whether or not this is true (and I would personally argue that this notion is a fucking joke) the channel has to follow these guidelines in order to remain effective in its ability to reach the most people that it can (which should be more than it does, this channel is brilliant in both content and delivery across the board)

[@XXStrong1]

Gregory Smith I think we all agree on that, it’s just KZbin’s dumb guidelines that forces wisecrack to censor swears. It’s not a personal gripe against strong language.

[@thejew1789]

America! Where films with 20 gun deaths are rated PG-13 and romantic comedies with swears and sex scenes are rated R!

[@vickhs]

This channel is the only one that can connect Jigsaw, Kierkegaard and Taylor Swift in such an amazing way. Keep up the good work!

[@LowBudgetToons]

hahaha so true!

[@LinkEX]

Then again, the Taylor Swift part (unlike anything else in this video afaik) was just a reference that didn't add anything to the narrative.

[@rubengbukets4730]

Kierkegaard and Kanye**

[@DanskerneFraDanmark]

Søren is also my Name

[@cfclegend7509]

DanskerneFraDanmark er du dansker/ r u Danish?

[@fondajames]

This is officially the most I've seen of any saw film

[@LowBudgetToons]

The saw films are okay. The first one is really good (not just for the torture porn) for the twists and what not.

[@riotbreaker3506]

Same here, I'll probably never watch one fully

[@deg1studios]

Then you are missing out. Unless you can't handle gore, in that case you better stay away

[@r.alford3692]

The first three are pretty good, and the sixth one is really fun to watch. The rest are alright, but none of them are too bad. The violence the series is infamous for doesn't really fully kick in until the end of third film.

[@8523wsxc]

First one really isn't that bad. If you can weather Se7en you will survive Saw.

[@pupoflas9764]

jigsaw looks like old eminem

[@daspicybirb9356]

PupoFlas Lol I thought the same thing

[@midshipsport]

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 100k likes

[@antoniomontana2034]

I dislike the fact that I can see that.

[@sidneyrobinson18]

"The choice is theirs to live or die" The dude who got his stomach cut open while immobilized would beg to differ.

[@sophiecooper3624]

That was a trap from Mark Hoffman (jigsaw apprentice) not John Kramer So the game was manipulated

[@kurtispittman2103]

Yeah that was even before Hoffman was an apprentice to John. Good one tho

[@nairobi8056]

Many of the traps designed by Hoffman and Amanda were rigged as a sign of revenge more then a lesson.

[@kurtispittman2103]

@@nairobi8056 which ones did amanda design

[@Dead_Hitori]

@@kurtispittman2103 I believe she did the first one you ever see in the series

[@ramonmartensen1529]

The problem with externally, consciously imposed suffering is that it leaves space for self-victimization. Instead of asking the question: ''Why am I suffering like this and what responsibility can I take to make this better (hence becoming a more ethical person) it allows for the sufferer to externalize the suffering rather than accepting accountability. This is all because the actions of the Jigsaw god don't appear to be driven by an underlying compassion or tough love but by disgust and even hatred.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Ramon Martensen True...he hates what the world did to him so he takes it out on others to kill his own pain.

[@ramonmartensen1529]

Yes. And I think that's why Kierkegard's philosophy of suffering and growth is flawed or at least has a loophole. Let's take a look at a micro setting of human existence, the romantic relationship. I know plenty of people who have many failed relationships and afterwards they always complain that their partner was uncaring, unreachable or whatever. So instead of taking the opportunity to see what's their role in the tragic ending and grow from the realization, they rather rest in the idea that they are victims of bad partners. In the context of this movie we could say that Jigsaw his victims have a legit reason to think like that.

[@NodDisciple1]

Yes Ramon, it does remind me so much of Exodus of how Pharaoh's Heart was hardened after every plague. Even though it was hardened, he still had a choice to make. He could've chose to overcome it and do what was best for his people and let the Hebrews go, or continue to test God and cause another worse plague. He constantly chose the later until it was too late.

[@ESPSAlita]

Kierkegard's philosophy is already being shown to be utterly false as the development of better neuroimaging technology allows us to assess the true psychological cost of suffering. Beyond a very set amount of resistance, human beings' brains are affected by abuse and suffering. Just this past year, researchers got a look at the brains of children who were corrected using physical punishments. They had shorter memory span, poorer impulse control, and worse life outcomes than those who's parents took a more authoritative than authoritarian approach to discipline. That's a pretty huge loophole.

[@hanshintermann1551]

Ramon, what you are basically saying is that we are, or at least should think that we are, the ones responsible for what happens to us. In my opinion, that is not only a very unforgiving and self-righteous point of view that almost seems like an extreme version of victim-blaming, it is also simply not true. First of all, it implies that everyone can control everything completely, which obviously is contradictory. Second, there is plenty of statistical evidence that our actions are at least heavily influenced, if not completely controlled, by circumstances. Our decisions do not just come from within ourselves, they are based on our experiences. Third, at the moment it seems very likely that we don't have a free will at all. Accepting that our world is solely defined by natural laws means accepting that these laws also apply to the human body, which means that everything is predetermined and there is no alternative cause of events where we make a different decision. Sorry, but the ones who are self-victimizing got it completely right. It's the ones who are saying we should pretend that we are in complete control of our situation and should see the bad things happening to us as a kind of carmic retribution who are wrong. That is just slave moral if you don't enjoy your situation and sanctimonious if you do. Please don't pretend there is some kind of "divine justice"-substitute. God is already dead. ;)

[@mrpoool1015]

The Happy music makes this video 10000 times funnier

[@bjam89]

Mr Poool you should watch helix then

[@german_saucedo]

I think the great problem with the Jigsaw killer in his application of Kierkegaard’s philosophy is confusing suffering with physical pain. These too concepts have nothing to do with each other.

[@EagleZtoTheGrave]

All physical pain is suffering, not all suffering is physical pain.

[@christianweibrecht6555]

Germán Saucedo yup, how is someone supposed to live a good life after replacing a body part with an infection

[@knoelle1357]

Germán Saucedo Precisely. If he forced these people to watch their loved ones in these painful, horrifying situations it'd be more effective. If he gave them the chance to sacrifice themselves rather than watch their loved ones die it'd be 1000x more horrifying.

[@LinkEX]

I don't think empathy is required for Kierkegaard's suffering. I think its more about truly experiencing suffering and recognizing just what it means in the first place, since sometimes the description alone just won't come close to experiencing it.

[@LinkEX]

If they feel it, this might lead them to a realization that will change their mindset. Not all the people even have such loved ones, so having them watch others suffer will barely have any effect (especially if they are the kind of heartless person that was put to the test by Jigsaw for that reason in the first place.) At the very least, they might appreciate _their_ life more. Rethinking their actions and appreciating other people's lifes will still require empathy, though.

[@luckyrobson6931]

This philosophical part of saw is so deep, that I think that even the producers of the movie were like ‘wtf, we’re geniuses without knowing it’, after watching this vid..

[@qwertymanova2652]

I agree!George Lucas must feel the same!

[@jeremyendter6428]

Yeah. Their creative brilliance was a total accident. Makes sense.

[@qwertymanova2652]

@@jeremyendter6428,why?

[@viincennes]

exactly why it annoys me when people call the franchise “mindless torture porn.” there’s such an interesting philosophy behind all of the tests

[@mirandalyneetestewart3083]

LuckyRobson Hey, an SCP, SCP 173.

[@RaYmOnDrOiD]

More like the “Philo-saw-phy” of Saw, I’ll walk away now.

[@isaacdiakiteba1009]

RaYmOnDrOiD Good job.

[@gladonos3384]

More like the Phil-Saw-Fee(Get it? Because Phil gets Sawed and the writers get money?) I’ll walk away now...

[@TheKNIGHTELFMOHAWK]

They got a video now

[@Migikun]

No, don’t leave lol

[@blackmangtarecovery5055]

Do You think You can walk away untested ?

[@thesonicravn870]

Interesting choice for a philosophy video.

[@Matty80822]

is it? saw was a very philosophical movie. 2 and 3 were still pretty ok. anything afterwords was diluted to movie trash

[@LordofSyn]

Matty80822 Absolutely agree.

[@shadowninja958]

was hyped as fuck for this.

[@VixxKong2]

Every great story has a philosophy behind And a great story is something that stays in people head after they watched, read or listened to it

[@Dr.Spatula]

The more likely reason is they are making a new movie

[@Iheartdgd]

Lmfaooo “Wanna know the best thing that happened to me after cutting off my own arm? Handicap parking at the DAMN MALL!” God i watched that like 10 times.

[@dejarobinson1026]

"This sucks! Wtf god?" LMFAO 😂😂😂😂

[@Shadowcat753]

Hey, I can relate sort of thought to that considering some parts of my life - except with me it's more of a "This sucks. Why in general (God existing or not)?"

[@fram3byfram319]

S- CC here we go, THERE IS A GOD, THERE IS NO GOD just shut up and watch the video!

[@yunusahmed2940]

Deja Robinson "God

[@scp--297]

Deja Robinson XD

[@laffy7204]

The scriptures of Romans was made for and by the early church, so it's not a surprise that in their days of painful persecution, people would say that pain would bring hope. However, Hope is technically the only way to emotionally cope with suffering, which brings the question, what other purpose does Hope have besides suffering? It seems all hope ever do is cope with pain without giving answers. Without suffering, there would be no reason to hope in the first place. Why hope when you're always happy and pain free? It seems that hope does nothing else but makes you not wanna die because of suffering.

[@admiralnuttyb.b.5628]

In my opinion, how long a minute really is, is the lesson I take from the Saw films.

[@3Kefka6Palazzo9]

That's both a true response to the philosophy and a beautiful one.

[@Gdude1231]

Well Hoffman made winnable games. However, his games seemed as though people had to die. I believe it's Saw V when they had the 5 people in the group and they all could've stayed together but they all ended up dying as they couldn't work together.

[@professorchaos5058]

Ya he's says your instincts will tell you do one but he warns them to do the opposite

[@PhantomBones101]

The only game he didn't make winnable was the pendulum trap.

[@lionellincoln6358]

@@PhantomBones101 He wasn't a Jigsaw apprentice at that time. It was the pendulum trap that caught Jigsaw's attention.

[@peak2381]

Pretty sure Hoffman made the games exactly like Kramer wanted, meaning he hardly had any influence on them.

[@YourFriendlyTrader]

“Those who don’t appreciate life, don’t deserve life” -John Kramer

[@redm6195]

Àmen

[@mohammedhusain6446]

How should i appreciate live, is there any measurement tool?

[@default2591]

"Yeah but don't torture people and kill innocent you sick old fuck" - Me

[@yannickvankerckhoven7356]

Until a person is faced with death. It's impossible to tell whether they have what it takes to survive

[@TenaciousBuns]

You can hear the "god dosn't exists" attitude in his voice when he talks about it 😂😂

[@-Roche-]

Tenacious Buns , some of us call that 'intelligence'

[@jakobhoern]

And most of us call both lines of thinking pretentious

@@RichRavingYt yeah ignorant...how is santa clause btw

[@QuadrupleJMontage]

@ Lol your an idiot, Saint Nick was an actual person

[@QuadrupleJMontage]

​@ Real funny, if you were smart you'd have known the real man died a long time ago. Nice try at sarcasm; though I'm a little too old for presents on Christmas.

[@morrismilchman8493]

"I want to play a game" Can we play Jenga?

[@12171010011010]

you are locked in a room with a jenga set and have to play it to the end without losing any blocks. If one block falls on the floor it triggers the room's sensors and it collapses into itself on you as if it was made of jenga bricks.

[@pure1538]

Got that from annoying orange

[@12171010011010]

never seen annoying orange really. It was never funny when it was popular, and it's dead now.

[@tommyatkins2527]

12171010011010 well or how about fucked up game of kerplunk in which instead of marbles it's rocks

[@michaelc9680]

Stfu

[@Yoder023]

Only a few would have actually helped the survivor: Reverse bear trap Barbed wire cage Leg saw multi-trap Essentially, only the first movie's victims would have been helped (if they all survived). All sequels set other in traps and their lives are in the hands of the main character. That's why no go would or could ever come out of majority of traps. Also, it's better if the victim doesn't see the person that put them there. Seeing that person triggers immediate aggression. (Cecil is a prime example)

[@mrbow50001]

Only 1 of those people in the traps you mentioned survives through all the movies and that's the one that cut his foot off in the leg saw you mentioned, hell he even ends one of the characters himself

[@blackmangtarecovery5055]

Yea the first 4 were The best

[@omalone1169]

You sound mgtow Mwhat your saying is females have little motivation to become moral because they are privileged to reject males their entire lives so only get forced to reflect once males no longer pursue them In saw 2 they can all learn

[@ghoulking7616]

omalone11 bruh what

[@XXStrong1]

Well considering that all of Jigsaw’s victims either: A. Die B. Need therapy (Saw:3D) C. Go crazy (I.e. Amanda and Dr. Gordon) I think it’s safe to say Jigsaw’s work hasn’t helped anyone.

[@FlamRackett]

Big fan of the SAW franchise and this philosophical evaluation is fascinating! Great video :)

[@KalleNoble]

I have to give props for that Emoji Movie joke

[@ConceptsMadeEasyByAli]

me too

[@Cheese_steak_]

Kalle Noble a

[@samuelw01]

Philosophy of Saw summed up in one word: Healthcare.

[@erdood3235]

How?

[@BenHopkins1000]

Erdood All they care about is money, not terminals like John?

[@Youre_dumb]

Erwood John had cancer but they wouldn’t treat him because he couldn’t afford it.

[@Ike_of_pyke]

John's tumor was inoperable due to being highly risky to remove , Jill's miscarriage was caused by a mixed of an accident due to a junkie(someone who is someone abuses health care) .

[@DrewLSsix]

Diablito el Demonio. No.

[@GoodAkuma666]

In school we once had movies as theme for english class. When the teacher asked us what kinds of film genres we knew, I raised my hand and answered Torture-Porn, because I thought of Saw. With a *WTF* expression on her face, she looked at me and said: I'm sure there are lots of different porn genres, but that doesn't belong in my lesson.

[@olympicwest7490]

seyithan ars that teacher? Albert Einstein.

[@TheEagel123]

Adam wasn't tempted by the Apple, Eve was tempted by what the serpent said about the Apple and then misled Adam by telling him to eat the Apple too.

[@ludexgundyr186]

Alex Meggoe btw the “apple” was good ol sex

[@hampsterducktape]

@@ludexgundyr186 The Apple is the knowledge of the difference between good and evil. It's literally called "the fruit of Knowledge." Adam and Eve were together under God (a.k.a. married) and could've had all the sex they wanted. "God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil." Genesis 3:5

[@timothywilliamson3152]

Adam chose his Wife over God, and not much has changed.

[@restless4656]

He was tempted. It's not like he didn't know it was forbidden. He could have easily said no.

[@pedroamaralcouto]

@@timothywilliamson3152, why would you choose God over a woman if you're straight?

[@Henri_Ikari]

"If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away" -Saw in a nutshell

[@TheLPRnetwork]

1 month since the death note episode i still haven't lost hope on a code geass episode i want to say there is only hope.... *but i can't find them, there's only soup.*

[@enthymeme4856]

You mean Code Gayass?

[@coyotecody99]

Soo much soup!

[@FANDOMlong-live-US]

TheLPRnetwork WHY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR HOPE AT THE SOUP STORE

[@TheKrigeron]

Code Geass has a philosophy? Lol.

[@blacksun3884]

Well go in to the next aisle!

[@Laxhoop]

It’s philosophy: New movie every year no matter how stupid it gets.

[@jaylenmcbride6332]

Spencer Whiteway The first 2 movies were actually well done

[@PhyreI3ird]

Personally I can't blame the original creators for taking the money and running with it x33 Seems like they made the movie they wanted to with the first and then got paid ass loads to just make any contrived nonsense to justify the torture porn that people keep coming and paying for.

[@katelynsteffens501]

PhyreI3ird im pretty sure the original screenwriters and people like that left after 3, which is where they wanted to end the franchise-with Johns death. But people wanted more films, so they brought in a mostly new crew to make more films

[@leob4403]

Katelyn Steffens not true, directors of saw 4-7 had previously worked on the series

[@katelynsteffens501]

Leo B I misread the thing I read that said that the other people left. However, I do know that Leigh whannel originally planned for saw 3 to be the end of the franchise and it was the last one he wrote before going to being a producer for the films.

[@LowBudgetToons]

I really love these philosophy vids!!!!

[@steven6666600000]

The first SAW movie made a great psychological horror film but then the rest that followed up just turned into straight torture porn.

[@MichSciFi10]

I'd say that only truly happened after they killed Jigsaw in the 3rd movie.

[@TheRealCeeJai]

8:45 "Baptism" is also literally the name of the piece of original music that plays in the background during this scene.

[@dnlgrc28]

The newest CGP Grey Video (not the live streams) ties in nicely with this.

[@drebalite1030]

That moment when you realize that "Wisecrack" is just another word for "Smartass".

[@12171010011010]

Actually to wisecrack is to make a smartass joke. close though

[@thesprucecampbells807]

The fan edit of Saw "The Jigsaw Files" where it is all the Jigsaw scenes in chronological order gave me a whole new appreciation for the series. Really well done. May even be better than the movies themselves. Wish a better resolution copy of it existed. But I highly recommend watching it.

[@mohnjorrow1990]

The Spruce Campbells where can I get this?

[@zoegoodall2158]

It makes me so mad how jigsaw put that guy who’s son died in a trap because he was obsessed with revenge even though jigsaw got revenge on Cecil, the guy that killed his son

[@Timebomb_19]

Zoe Goodall that was justice not revenge.

[@okayand1508]

Sir Edgelord_101 it was revenge, cause who is jigsaw to take another life? That's the whole point of why jigsaw and his ideology was a failure. Who was he and his disciples to commit these crimes? Who are they to say they see the light when they bath in darkness.

[@zoegoodall2158]

Ozzie Edwards exactly

[@matti.8465]

Ozzie Edwards He's an hypocrite. He said it was so he could become a better person but he really just wanted revenge. People like that come up with ways to justify themselves and this whole shitty belief of "redemption through pain" is his. He even refuses to acept he killed anyone just because they had the chance not to die.

[@kevinnigins9488]

Zoe Goodall well to be fair Jeff’s game wasn’t really that difficult. He never really got hurt himself. He had to save other people from jigsaws game

[@alexanderl9721]

If you ignore all the gore, at its core Saw is quite Shakespearean. The characters meet their tragic ends as a result of their character flaws. Granted, the writing is significantly worse than that of Shakespear but my point still stands.

[@annabella1650]

I have a lot of issues with the Saw franchise, one of being that Jigsaw simply paid lip service to the idea of redemption. So many of his traps involved at least one party dying, with it sometimes being in the hands of another person he believed needed to be 'redeemed', which ruins someone else's 'redemption'. Especially when they have to actively kill another person! 'You want to live and see your mistakes, well someone has to die in the process because I think this is a great group activity!'

[@mekman4]

Suffering and torture are methods which cults use to indoctrinate victims, and most churches and cult leaders use very similar methods to maintain and grow followers. People do this to in relationships.

[@kingj282]

Most churches use suffering and torture? What churches are you going to?

[@blackdragon6]

Pentecostal probably LMAO

[@cgarrand08]

I was expecting a saw movie not the bloody Spanish inquisition!

[@awnaw5529]

cgarrand08 nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition

[@alil7896]

our chief weapon is surprise

[@carlamitce443]

nice.

[@x_WISHmaker_x]

I tried to explain this to all of my friends for like half of my life, noone believed me! Thank you for making a video supporting my point! Thank you very much!)

[@StableHexic]

I love saw

[@omega5040]

Suffering will always exist due to it being a perspective thing, it's constantly changing and it is different for everyone. Even paradise can be hell. Take for example someone with a gambling addiction. He ends up in a place where he always wins, at first he might think it is paradise always winning but after a while it will be hell never being able to lose.

[@alaskaball188]

I love how the music in this is so joyous

[@totallygeneric2602]

This was really philo-SAW-phical

[@derpasoruswrecks2773]

TotallyGeneric dammit, you beat me to it! 😂😂

[@erawa2740]

I have a question for Saw II fans (or simply those who appreciate it): do you think that all of the victims in the house trap could have theoretically survived? I'm far from being certain about it, but I would like it to be the case, because that would make Saw II a much better movie. What is problematic with this theory is that we only know that there are 5 syringes (that could protect from the mortal gaz) in the house I think, and there are 8 people in total...Sure, Amanda was certainly already protected from the gaz, as well as the detective's son (or?). But that still makes one person who could not have possibly been protected from the toxic gaz. Am I right? I would appreciate if you could help.

[@alt-rightbronie4512]

There was syringe for everyone. There were 8 players Daniel Amanda Xavier Obi Jonas The prostitute The fat guy The other girl The syringes were around the house but since the fat guy died too early, his syringe was never seen. 1 The room had another one inside a box. 2 The one in the blade box. 3 Obi’s trap had 2. 5 Xavier’s trap. 6 We can assume the other 2 were never seen since the owners of those were dead before getting to see them. Sorry for the late response

[@witchexia]

@@alt-rightbronie4512 *fat guy* LMAO

[@minihalkoja590]

I do think so. We don’t see all the tests though. However before I go into the main thing, there is one flaw in that whole trap in my opinion, and that is the inclusion of Laura (The blonde girl). She doesn’t seem like someone who should be there. She’s young, seemingly law abiding and easily frightened. So, here’s how all 8 of them could’ve survived: -No one looks or stands in front of the peephole while they’re turning the key, or better yet, they don’t use the key at all like the note said. -They analyze the rainbow clue, figure out the answer and get the first antidote from the safe. 1 is saved (Likely Daniel considering how he’s just a kid), 7 more to go. -Obi turns the valve to shut off the fire. 2 people are safe (Obi and someone of his choosing, I’m putting my money on Laura), 5 more to go. -Xavier jumps in the needle pit and gets the key. The door is opened and he gets the antidote. Xavier is saved, 4 more to go. -Gus (The guy who was killed first) finds his test (The razor box). He notices that it’s already unlocked, and get the antidote. Gus is safe, 3 more to go. -Addison finds her test (A waffle iron which she needs to press her face into to get the antidote) just bites her teeth and ”sacrifices her looks to save her life.” 1 more is saved, 2 more to go. -Jonas finds his test, whatever that might be, and solves it. He’s safe, and there is only Amanda left. -Amanda was likely safe from the gas all along, but in this event she probably had some sort of secret backup needle which she could just ”find” or pass an easy ”test” in order to get it just to avoid suspicion. So that was the minimum amount of antidotes, but I’m gonna say there was at least 1 more. Which is in Laura’s test. Daniel probably had a test as well, so that makes the amount of antidotes inside the house, a solid 10. Just in case a few are lost.

[@NinjaKuma]

Torture Porney or Torture Corney? 0:20

[@01Sunshine234]

porney

[@austinmclean2215]

porney

[@gavinj1456]

porney

[@shadow.3xereactions518]

Porn and now I want to watch it

[@731thorn]

Porney

[@121von]

Good video... you guys just made me rethink seeing this new saw movie. If this guy's philosophy of why he's made these traps is skewed that bad I don't see why they made another. Seems like a money grab now. Actually its been a money grab for a while now.

[@LordTails66]

He's the villain... of course his philosophy is skewed. Usually the villains are fucked up even if their intentions are "good".

[@121von]

LordTails66 i meant skewed in the sense of having his victims learn a lesson. However twisted it is that was his intention. His underlings are killing for revenge and just to cause harm. That's not his intention. That's why I said its skewed.

[@121von]

River no one said it had to be perfect... his underlings took his philosophy the wrong way and kill just to kill, not to teach them a lesson. Hence why I said HIS PHILOSOPHY got skewed...smh

[@121von]

River thats exactly what I'm saying in a sense. They took his twisted way of teaching people a lesson on valuing life and made it worse. Because they started to kill just to kill. The movies got dumb once that happened in my opinion.

[@sparda9060]

its meant to be a trilogy but they kept milking it past the 3 rd movie. i dont remember but it meant to end the story after jigsaw is dead.

[@rustyhan4425]

That upbeat music to compliment Saw lol

[@erinanderson1408]

I too would share stories over whiskey with Kierkegaard, but I swear I'm not a serial killer... just kinda sad

[@chrislindamood9378]

Erin Anderson Same here

[@jmigcasan3077]

Just the thing i've been searching. I think this is the only Analysis out there, thanks Wisecrack

[@libertangel]

I think the flaw in Jigsaw's plan is the fact that it's easier to transform bad circumstances that have no third hand involved into personal growth. The trauma that this people suffer in the villain's hands it's prone to produce fear or anger instead of reflection. You still have somebody to blame things on, to seek revenge after, etc. But if you survive something like an accident, it depends on your own strenght to make it out and the most after it. There's pride, faith, and a whole lote of other positive things to look at.

[@tidjiramiiiiirez]

Philosophy of Gerald's Game or Hidden Meaning in Gerald's Game

[@munmoon3926]

Most cults use Christian terms and usually redefine terms and misapply biblical passages. Just imagine Manson and his flock.

[@ramonmoreno2526]

Please do a philosophy of the emoji movie... It really has a profound message about the stupidity of humanity and how desperate one can get for money...

[@onlyforshane]

You should make a philosophy of Jake Paul 😂

[@rororevo]

Saw X definitely gives more the revenge vibe than renewal. Even though its set between Saw I and II, it seems like the writers forgot about this.

[@balakrishnasharma9842]

Please make the philosophy of "Drive 2011"

[@LowBudgetToons]

snap!! I love that movie

[@LowBudgetToons]

Jim Bananoid geez ain’t that the truth

[@narendrakakashimodi]

Drive movie is awesome

[@leinadlink]

Never saw this coming.

[@professorchaos5058]

I will get the door for you

[@dimhope6828]

"Watching Saw movies qualifies as attending church" lmaooo I'm done 😂💀💀

[@cheeselegend8769]

Honestly this is like Death Note, Light ends up doing terrible things because he thinks it's justice, and killing people because they've done bad things is the right thing apparently.

[@sygmandiasthemage1629]

The problem with Jigsaw's logic is the same problem that keeps people from changing their habits: *They don't want to go through the trouble.* Only when the person really wants the change and is willing to struggle for it, only then the treatment/diet/training actually works.

[@zemotheon12987]

Hey friend, love your videos! Been watching them lately and I haven't yet seen one that hasn't made me think! Your channel rocks! I'm a little disappointed that someone who treats all other philosophers with a degree of nuance and respect, yet cannot give the same respect to the philosophy of the church fathers. Clearly you don't buy it, okay. But you could at least give it more nuance. That said, I love how you discussed Kierkegaard. He's great. Keep up the good work!

[@megatron691973]

Eve ate the Apple first then got adam to eat

[@TykoBrian7]

mister thirteen it's a fairy tale 😑😑😑😑

[@megatron691973]

Tyko Brian I know I was just saying..if you gonna tell a story then tell it right hahahaha

[@EagleZtoTheGrave]

Assuming it was an apple, and a fairytale... Assuming it is, that doesn't mean we should turn off our brains and not get the facts correct.

[@megatron691973]

Dat Boiii if your the Christian faith I guess so hahaha

[@gabeschugardt5710]

Dat Boiii I thought the lesson was don't listen to talking snakes.

[@GunpowderCoffee]

I just watched a compilation of SAW deaths and now this video pops up in my sub-feed. Spooky. Happy scary month everybody!

[@NamesZKP]

GunpowderCoffee lol watches Saw content then gets spoiled by getting recommend more Saw content. KZbin algorithms bro. But Happy October.

[@GunpowderCoffee]

Well i meant the subscription feed. I should probably edit my main comment for clarity.

[@yougetwhatyoufuckindeserve8245]

His philosophy was proven wrong on the first trap he ever tested and made. As soon as the guy finished pushing his face through the knives he wasn’t happy to be alive, he was traumatized and furious. He was insane. The guy only had murder on his mind and wanted to kill jigsaw. Someone who appreciates life and the lesson they learn doesn’t try to kill the person who taught it to them, which this guy immediately tries to do.

[@Uajd-hb1qs]

Everything is someone's choice. The only reason jigsaw chose his victims was because it is their fault. It's not John Kramer's fault some of his victims were traumatised; that's them not seeing the bigger picture and wanting someone to blame. No one has to cut off their arm or saw off their foot or die to repay their sins; they could do nothing but every action has a consequence. They will have their sins forcibly repaid instead of having a choice either by jigsaw himself or by the people who were hurt in the first place.

[@KingsleyIII]

You guys missed the chance to call this video "The PhiloSAWphy of Saw".

[@mihneacipariu765]

,,no we are not talking bout the emoji!?"😂😂😜😜

[@mothereric8774]

Do the video game “SOMA” next.

[@apowave]

Pain is the realest thing a human can subjectivity experience.

[@johnboi8873]

This video makes me want to go outside and exercise. Thanks guys!

[@ThatOneGuy7550]

Do Code Geass, next goddamn it

[@marlom7882]

That One Guy AND BERSERK DUDES!

[@gilberthjimenez431]

DO IT!!!

[@iChaosHD]

yesss

[@KABOBkabob]

Yes! It hits you over the head pretty bluntly with its central themes but it would still be a really interesting subject

[@turkiekhalid]

Yaaaaad

[@haseobodom8071]

The bible says fruit not apple.

[@zacharyyee-hicks1627]

Matthew Osborne true but in most representations of the eating of the fruit an apple is chosen for the visual

[@PhyreI3ird]

I don't remember the name of it but wasn't it one painting in particular that started the apple trend? I'm pretty sure the artist chose an apple in particular because it was a foreign fruit and more likely to evoke a feeling of other-worldliness for the garden of eden - but that's just conjecture, I could be wrong.

[@DManCAWMaster]

Digital Nerf Brick It was probably a fig

[@joehenegan5853]

The theological understanding isn't great here. For instance, it's not just early Christians that believe this is the reason for suffering, it's exactly what the bible teaches. But, overall it's broadly right

[@EagleZtoTheGrave]

Some say a pomegranate lol

[@RichardHorpe]

Please do the philosophy of Prisoners by denis villeneuve

[@jariusspear]

StannyBWrath my all time favorite movie ever

[@benl2140]

If you look, you can find a lot of videos examining the philosophy of this movie. I still wouldn't mind Wisecrack doing it though.

[@Chikadulce10]

YEEEEESSS!!! This needs to happen 😍😍

[@whalolord1594]

eve ate the apple not adam plz do more research

[@ryanhollist3950]

I think one of the major flaws of the philosophy of Saw is that those he traps make choices. While they may technically be able to choose whether to live or die, the weight of the options is by no means even. Any of us can technically choose to commit suicide at any time, but we don't. Perhaps what I am trying to move towards is an argument I heard put this way: Does a person on a ship really have a choice if they are told they must either obey or be thrown into the ocean with no chance of rescue? This is the difference between what Saw does and what marathon runners do. Saw is forcing an illusion of choice and heaping on tremendous amounts of innocent suffering. A marathon runner, on the other hand, is actually making their choice to do what they do for a far more intrinsic purpose, and the suffering they endure is inherent to the activity and their growth.

[@Nx57ytre]

I find another flaw in his philosophy: suffering does not make people more ethical. Many people actually become more selfish and hedonistic have suffered traumatic events because they find it easier to ignore their own pain, which leads them to ignore the pain of others.

[@H2Mass]

Listen, I have seen every Saw movie, and there's one thing I've realized: Jigsaw is in fact a murderer; not only that, but he’s also a demented, psychopathic human being who consistently contradicts his own self-proclaimed “rules.” Now, I know what you might be thinking: “Jigsaw isn’t a murderer, he says so himself. His goal is to make people appreciate their lives and do the “right” thing.” And I don’t blame you for believing that. I, too, once believed that Jigsaw, although going about it in a truly disturbing, dark, unnecessarily twisted, overly complicated, and needlessly violent way, was still trying to help people, but, now, after careful consideration, I have fully turned away from that. I am going to show you why I think so lowly of John Kramer aka Jigsaw. I’m not going to talk about the quality of the movies, or the plot, or the characters, or any of the technical components, I'm not even going to expose the fact that he's somehow able to capture so many people without ever getting caught. No, no no no no. I'm just going to expose his bullshit philosophy. I’m going to show you that although he paints himself to be this highly intelligent, detailed savior, he is truly a despicable, violent torturer who takes pleasure in the pain of others. I’m walking out of my comfort zone of making rap videos and How to Make Anything Sound Stupid, and instead, I’m sharing my controversial opinion on the true nature of Jigsaw and why I believe he is undoubtedly a murderer.

[@rynegreen7902]

How To Make Anything Sound Stupid I mean the people die in his game so yeah I would say he's a murderer

[@Crocalu]

What the fuck are you on about

[@H2Mass]

I'm working on the video right now, I'll post it next week.

[@levischorpioen]

That was supposed to be the point of his death in Saw III. The film was originally going to be much more focused on his impending epiphany that he was in the wrong.

[@H2Mass]

I FINALLY finished the Jigsaw: Exposed video. It took me a lot if time, so take a look at it if you want. I'd appreciate it.

[@Kass686]

Heads up to anyone that might want to play the video games.... They're not good. Don't play them.

[@LowBudgetToons]

yeah.......they def are

[@TheMindIlluminated]

I thought the first one was cool, not amazing, but ok.

[@camerondaly96]

Could you do an episode on The Good Place? The first season has a lot of good stuff

[@angiereza5493]

Oh my god! FINALY!! I love the Saw series! XD

[@Ashoka02tano]

The philosophy of Jigsaw doesn't truly work because you can't force someone to change, that person has to change themselves.

[@Jkjoannaki]

So he dies by having his Adams apple cut? Nice

[@ApocryphalDude]

Do you think Dexter would agree with Jigsaw?

[@ma7eus97]

That's such an over simplification.of Christian beliefs. It isn't the case that early christians had to deal with cognitive dissonance. But rather that because of Adam and Eve, suffering became inevitable. Now the question is what you do with that suffering. And probably the best thing you can do with that is to use it as a way to grow. Even Jesus did'n believe that suffering was the result of our sins: see Luke 13 (1-5) and John 9 (1-3)

[@athenaprice4517]

Thanks for that I bet a lot of people were thinking it but don't whant to say it

[@spacecowboylld]

He literally said this

[@trinitychambers8123]

I love jigsaw. he gives people the chance to love and appreciate their life, something they might otherwise never would have. if you cut yourself, be aware that any cut might be your last. if you're a druggie, realize that high might cost you your life. stop taking what you have for granted, and accept this new perspective on life. if I had the money and tools that jigsaw had, i would also put humanity through these tests. some need this desperate measure

[@unoriginal_username1]

I do agree that suffering is required for growth. 1) your first loss of a loved one 2) your first break up 3) failure at a task you’ve been dedicated too 4) child birth all these are events most of us will experience and arguably grow from , Obviously I’m not justifying the SAW TRAPS😂 but there is logic behind it

[@skyesetsura6800]

"Watching Saw movies qualifies as attending church" Now that's a religion I can get behind!

[@omalone1169]

Might be a bit more constructive than church in as much as this sermon is multi layered

[@droopyeyedmofo5618]

I'm not a Christian but didn't eve eat the apple?

[@NaiKzOfficial]

Eve was tricked by the serpent to eat the fruit, she then tempted Adam, who wanted to please his wife Eve, and also ate the fruit

[@davidkonevky7372]

Both, but Eve was the first one and the one that tempted Adam

[@coreyondavis6032]

on stage is all blood and gore but behind the scenes theres knowledge and philosophy

[@scoutman195]

You forgot to mention that he is testing the people’s will to live. That’s a pretty big part of it imo.

[@Eltrio2]

There's just one slight flaw with Jigsaws way of doing things. That being that suffering a traumatic event won't make you a better person because you suffered a traumatic event. People who use trauma to grow as a person do so after going through some kind of therapy which takes upwards of several years. What's more likely to happen is that after you suffer through that trauma you will become a worse person overall. Unable to sift through the horror that plays on loop in your mind you will look desperately for a coping mechanism, usually in the form of drugs or violent outbursts. By the time you realize that what your doing isn't healthy the damage is already done. All Jigsaw is doing is dooming people to the same suffering he went through except worse because now they get to live with the knowledge that some asshole can just take them from the streets and make them go through it all over again. No one wins in his twisted little game.

[@GravelordNito150]

Funny how this channel is happy to show clips of people being mutilated but bleeps out all the curse words.

[@alexanderson8340]

Can you do philosophy of the emoji movie?

[@hunterpaynekeyes162]

2 words: Cash grab

[@JDReC100]

they did

[@bastian_5975]

I just watched 2 other videos that referenced the emoji movie.... illuminati confirmed.

[@MattysModernLife]

I literally went through all three stages mentioned in the video. No wonder Saw resonates so well despite being pretty silly films, they get the meta-story right.

[@laffy7204]

It seems why Jigsaw philosophy failed was that despite what people think Ethics isn't really our true self, because many things that we consider animal like are also pretty important to what makes us humans. Spiritual, existential, mental, and physical pains allows you to avoid to do bad things but it doesn't give any meaningful answers or tell you to do anything by itself. If anything since pain and desperation come from a god like figure, it seems that the obvious solution for them is to hurt others. By believing that suffering is natural, they would believe that people hurting people would be natural too, making them more distant to their actions

[@zero1188]

so if i kidnap someone and give them a chance to escape but they still die i didnt commit a crime. thanks jigsaw

[@sixthugger]

He didn't say that he didn't commit a crime, he said that he didn't murder anybody.

[@hunterzolomon5090]

Saw I wasn't torture porn

[@LowBudgetToons]

so true. It's more of a detective story. It sadly became torture porn after the producers thought thats why people liked it lol

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@LowBudgetToons They are basically ALL detective stories.

[@LuciferWitch666]

Jigsaw Punished mostly people,Who had everything in their life easy and Did not appreciate it!He felt horrible because he lost everything,And had cancer to!And I guess when he saw these selfish people not happy with,The life they have! And How they didn't care about others suffering and Having a hard life!He took his angry an used it as a game to!Teach the people a lesson!But he ended up hurting them,I think his game was just to scare them to appreciate,What they have in their life!But he missed up when he started to hurt them!And well yes he does look like a killer,But he was kinda smart because,he made each person look like,They messed themselves up on their own!That is my opinion of Jigsaw!

[@alannah7078]

love this video, thanks for making it

[@LetsCrashThisParade]

I cherish my life by watching all the SAW content!