The photos on their camera went VIRAL... for all the WRONG reasons⚠️(*DISTURBING*)

[@Hippiechick11]

If you ever are lost in wilderness, find a river, creek or stream and follow it in the direction it flows. You will eventually find people.

[@sarapiburn2523]

Great advice!👍🏻

[@judysmith3249]

Why is that? I have heard that since I was a little girl. I never asked why?

[@Fluvienne]

@@judysmith3249 Because people generally settle around waterways. On its way to the sea, a river will pass through multiple human settlements.

[@darleneaitken1620]

If you find a river stay there and let the authorities find you. If you have a canoe you can head down the river, but you may be a long way from other people. Chances are helicopters or small aircraft are searching for you. Do not leave the river because looking down from the air is like looking at miles of broccoli and they won't see you.

[@DaveAnderson-yb5zt]

Generally good advice, but potentially dangerous also, as every predator around will go to the river also to get a drink.

[@ThestuffthatSaralikes]

Please always remember: The SECOND you realize you are lost, sit down. Don’t keep trying to find your way. 9 outta 10 times ya just get MORE lost… Learned this when I was a kid and it’s helped more than once out in the world.

[@Catmom-gl5nt]

@ThestuffthatSaralikes I wish people would just recognize the wisdom of that. Also, stay on the dang trail! Don’t go off it, even just a few feet. Stay. On. The. Trail!

[@PugLover9955]

​@@Catmom-gl5ntGolden Advice 👏

[@ZebaKnight]

This is good advice for a single hiker. In this case, one of the young women could have 'scouted' a short distance from the other (seated) one, making short, spoke-like trips from the other person (who would be the 'hub', always within earshot). Had they done this as soon as they realized they were lost, they might have found the trail again.

[@maryault8928]

I just read the Stephen King book "the girl that loved Tom Gordon" and if she would have just sat down where she was better yet not gone off the trail 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@daisyspanhakbon1364]

💯

[@palirvin1871]

I am not some expert, but I have backpacked, camped and climbed mountains in very deep jungle terrain in S. America. You cannot travel at night, bad things are all that will happen. One can walk 50 feet off a trail and become disoriented and lost in minutes if alone. Adult jaguars are as big as those two women. An adult jaguar can kill a person, a horse, a pig, anything it wants silently within 90 seconds of contact. Instant attack to the neck, crushed throat and suffocation, dead in 90 seconds. Once dead, a jaguar can haul a body bigger than its own weight easily 20 feet up a tree and stash it in a tree limb to come back later to eat. There are a few hundred of jaguars in the mountains and jungles of Panama. Jaguars are invisible at night and so well camouflaged that a trained guide can walk right by one in the bush and not see them three feet away in the middle of a bright day. They are the ultimate silent stalkers in the jungle, the apex predator of all the Americas south of Mexico City to the southern ranges of far South America. They usually stay away from humans because they are the most intelligent big cats, a type of leopard, but once you are in their territory and it's dark they will kill anything they want. I do not know but everything i read in comments and the video would fit an encounter in deep dark jungle with a jaguar. A jaguar would have days to stash and then eat the women spreading bones in different areas never to be found.

[@lexilexi1021]

This is a very good and very feasible explanation. Thank you for that...these poor, foolish girls!

[@melvynobrien6193]

I came to the same conclusion: some animal attacked, killed and ate them. A jaguar is the OCCAM'S-RAZOR explanation. Silly way to die. Out in the wild, you have to have weapons.

[@francescaerasmus]

Wonder if DNA could show they attacked by someone else or an animal

[@javadog6288]

@palirvin1871. In these accounts I have never heard mention of the young women taking with them a map, magnetic compass, GPS, any sort of signaling devices. I learned my lesson the hard way getting lost in the woods once almost completely unprepared, so I then acquainted myself with some knowledge of wilderness survival including the ten essentials. In forest or jungle terrain it is very easy to get disoriented and lose track of the trail and the direction to go to get home----- everywhere you turn it looks the same, especially when it starts to get dark. Once it is pitch black night you can't hardly see anything and become vulnerable to slipping and tripping, walking off a cliff, all sorts of injuries and attacks by beasts.

[@rippindickys]

Your explanation, changed my mind. I was leaning towards foul play, now I'm thinking nature/ predator?

[@veronicaeugenia2231]

I lived in the jungle in Costa Rica and I can tell you, you do NOT under any circumstances wander around in the jungle at night unless you want a deadly snake or insect bite. And you do not ever go into the jungle without knee-high rubber boots, not even for 10 minutes, never ever. It was a major major miracle they lasted more than a few days. The poor girls were catastrophically unprepared.

[@silviahannak3213]

True. I wouldn't even do that with a Guide. It's not looking like they had not prepared...for such an Environment. Bagpacks don't look like Hiking Gear.

[@alexf3r2x]

​@@silviahannak3213Really... It seemed like they were treating this place like a walk!

[@ifcatshadthumbs...664]

Yes.Naive. Entered into a very dangerous territory not knowing how to survive there. Very very sad.

[@duudsuufd]

@@silviahannak3213 It was an official hiking trail, that could be done in less than a day.

[@Meal-deal555]

​@@duudsuufd initially yes. But they carried on past the end of the official trail.

[@robinpowell4398]

I’ve been a female hiker and camper. Always took a male companion, two dogs I personally trained, and a gun. I don’t care how politically incorrect this sounds but as a lady, you are immediately at a disadvantage. Be smart, don’t assume the best of your surroundings or others, and you’re less likely to become prey to anything. Life’s not fair, we are seen as easy game. It’s our job to even the odds and do our best to prove that rule wrong. I hate that these sweet young ladies passed before their time. This is definitely a cautionary tale.

[@oOIIIMIIIOo]

And... a mechanically/solar charging flashlight. I bought me one as the power went off in the village for about an hour. 😄

[@NestorSaliven]

There is traveller's museim in my country. It shows tools, pamphlets, dresses...etc of how people in the 1800's were travelling. There was a guide of what they absolutely must carry with them. The first on the list was a gun.

[@rt66vintage16]

I assume your male companion is also carrying. Smart girl ❤.

[@Cielshots]

Right tho. I'm sorry but that was my first thought.. 2 random girls thinking they were just going to yuck it up in the jungle like it's spring break. Worst idea ever. who let them do it?

[@ulrikjensen6841]

This may sound mean, but I can't help it: The girls were as silly as they were pretty. Alone in the jungle without a man😮

[@Raztax]

Respect for being genuine and not wanting to inject drama for the sake of views. Enjoyed the video, thank you.

[@fetB]

no drama Right out of the bat he claims COUNTLESS of documentaries and coverage...

[@hunterglass1840]

I was stationed in Panama in the 80’s as an Army Medic. It’s very easy to get disoriented in the jungle. There is plenty of water but not always good. The canopy can be so dense that it can be almost impossible to see at night. The monkeys will steal anything that’s not tied down. The biggest predators are jaguars (minus bad guys) but they’re seldom seen. Venomous snakes, spiders and a whole host of creepy crawlers are the biggest dangers and are cause of most deaths. Because Panama is very wet it is very easy to slip and injure yourself. Green Berets, SEALs, Paratroopers, and local military got injured and occasionally killed as a result of the nature and terrain of Panama.

[@Sandy-qj5ex]

I agree with you. Monkeys would scatter the backpack and other bits. Jaguars may have been responsible for the scattered bones. The jaguar may have eaten remains if it found the remains fresh otherwise it would not have bothered. They are opportunistic feeders of fresh meat but not carrion.

[@Goruckyourself68]

You are correct brother. And don’t get caught in the Mojinga Swamp at night

[@stevenmcghee6649]

@@Sandy-qj5ex there were no signs of animal predation on any of the bones, though.

[@reesedaniel5835]

@@Sandy-qj5ex Did monkeys place their bras, phones and camera into the backpack, zip it up and carry it 5 miles away?

[@codaalive5076]

Were you there during the illegal invasion of Panama called Just 'Caz? If you were, what was the reason for killing more Panamanian civilians than soldiers? (sources: wikipedia, UN, us army, Roman Catholic Church and many more)

[@krumplethemal8831]

We did a lot of investigation on this case. 1. The night photos were all taken in the same spot. The girls were NOT moving location.. 2. There is no "missing" photo 509. This error happened when the SD card was removed and attempted to take a photo resulted in a count going from 508 to 509 but no photo is saved because no sd was in the camera. Then the sd card was put back in for photo 510+ 3. Only a few bones were found bleached, not all of them. Leanne's foot was found inside one of her shoes that still had flesh on it. This to me sounds like insects and animals couldnt get to the flesh because the shoe was in the way. 4. The phone calls were roughly made at around the same time if the day each day. Close to sunrise. 5. The theory is Kris had their only water bottle cramed into her front pocket. A bad place to put your obly water bottle. Seen in photo 506. 6. The location of the night photos has not been definitively located. But assumed they made it to the first monkey bridge where one or both had an accident and they never left that location. 7. The night photos were an attempt to light up the tree canopy above them to help reach a further distance to signal anyone who might be out searching for them. A signal beacon. 8. Why didnt the beacon work? It was late and raining, no one was out on the trail. 9. The backpack found was wet despite what some claim. Kris's phone had to be professionally dried before it could be analyzed. Meaning taken appart to dry out the electronics. 10. We think they passed a way near the river/streams edge and heavy rains flash flooded the stream carrying their bodies down stream. 11. No signs of foul play. Money found in the backpack wasnt taken. Their cellphones could have been sold or destroyed to hide any potential evidence. The canera could have also been taken, sold or desteoyed to hide evidence. 12. A kidnapper would most likely take their shoes from them. This prevents two things, harder to run a way without shoes on. And shoes make for decent defensive weapons. A SA would take their shoes, but they found the shoes near their bones. 13. All credulous claims about edited photos have been debunked. 14. Why would a person take an sd card, delete 1 photo using a computer then put it back in the backpack? Just delete them all. The mystery ends up the same. "Damaged camera deleted the data off the sd card" See one mystery is easily compounded.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

This is really, really interesting. Where did you learn all this?

[@mtnshelby7059]

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[@krumplethemal8831]

@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 We purchased the same camera and did extensive testing and ran through a series of possible uses to explain the photos. Like aiming the camera up towards the tops of trees at night and the flash lights up the canopy. A great way to help signal linger distances. Some of the other data is in the official investigation reports. Like the wet backpack. It's contents and how the bones were found in various states. Their locations spread out over long distances. Near the stream. The phone records are on the wiki related to the case. You can see the time, how long the attempts were and which days they were made. The photos can be found by simple google search. The night photos were painstakingly stitched together by another curious case watcher. It reveals the user of the camera was not moving locations but instead aiming the camera mostly upwards. There are several videos on KZbin with theories on where they made it to and how difficult it is to make it to their possible location. The water bottle theory is built upon the 506 photo.

[@aksez2u]

This is really a lot of good clarification and additional information. Thank you for posting. Everything you said here makes sense, especially why anyone would go to the effort to delete one photo but leave everything else to be found.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

@@krumplethemal8831thank you

[@theweedusama]

I live off a part of the Appalachian trail. People go missing all the time. They're mostly usually found but its always a lack of preparation. Having grown up here I'm used to it. Always be prepared for your adventure guys n girls.

[@AG.89T]

As a Dutch I can tell you that you cannot get a real sense for outdoor and wildlife dangers in The Netherlands simply because it’s to small, safe, and densely populated. I guess you could say the majority of the population is oblivious to real dangers that are obvious to many people living in other countries. Indeed, it’s quite common to read a Dutch news article about some Dutch dying or getting lost while adventuring abroad. I think it also has to do with overcompensation. Because you can’t really go on exciting adventures in the Netherlands, your more inclined to take risk in your adventures abroad because you want/need to make the most out of it. I think this definitely played a role in this story.

[@toastnjam7384]

This is what happened to a German family on a road trip in Death Valley Ca. back in 1996. Completely underestimated the danger and got stuck in the middle of nowhere and all died. Known as the Death Valley Germans Incident.

[@twanvorstenbosch]

​@@toastnjam7384yeah ive heard about that case and ive seen KZbin video's about that case , their rental car was found in the middle of the death valley desert

[@sancho8521]

​@@twanvorstenbosch Kyle covered them right here! That's how I got to this spot 🍻

[@twanvorstenbosch]

@@sancho8521 oh ok thnx for the info , i'll check out kyle's video about it 🍻 Big Love from the Netherlands

[@sancho8521]

@@twanvorstenbosch you're welcome : ) Much Love ❤️ from mid Missouri

[@TalkingLoon]

I've gotten seriously lost for about 6 hours in a vaguely familiar European countryside with plenty of landmarks and even a few local folks going about the place. The level of frustration, anxiety and panic increases as you lose daylight. I cannot even begin to imagine getting lost in a Panama jungle.

[@nettewilson5926]

Me too.

[@JustHereForCats]

You’re still a badass compared to me. I’ve never even been lost in the wilderness, just in cities I’m visiting 😂😂😂

[@jackspring7709]

That's a very good point. I was temporarily "lost" in a forest in the Dublin mountains in an area I was familiar with, not even a mile away from the nearest road and, although I knew I could walk out of there in any direction, I was actually surprised at how momentarily disorientated I was and the flash of panic I felt. I can't even imagine what it must be like for someone to get lost in the jungle.

[@saravranjes3522]

Razlika je u tome- što su one bile otete, a ne izgubljene. Pretpostavljam da je na obrisanoj slici između dana i noći- Kris- kada vrišti- u momentu kada otimaju Liz.

[@gailm9908]

​@@jackspring7709😅

[@MinnieMouse100]

I was left speechless when these young, ladies disappeared. Thank you for this. Those lovely, young, girls deserve to be acknowledged. Thank you.

[@susanne1756]

NEVER go hiking or out into the woods camping without Personal Locater Beacon divise...!!!

[@sharonshearouse5611]

Never go hiking in a foreign country without training and a guide.

[@CarolynFrazier-nu4xz]

Or a professional guide, they should have known better

[@Mariecherement]

AND A BUDDY WHO IS A GUY, IF YOU ARE A WOMAN, OR A MAN, FOR THAT MATTER!

[@john1v6]

@@sharonshearouse5611 and a gun...and a satellite phone

[@simplythebestgirl]

Device?

[@samgerrits]

As a Dutch guy who has worked and lived in jungles for years, never without 1 or more local guides -- basically the moment they left the beaten trail they were dead.

[@sandyvanderlinde237]

My exact and immediate thought as well, just do your trail and back, WHY on earth go off the trail, only means death.

[@Nienke131]

@@sandyvanderlinde237while I do agree it was stupid not to turn around at the summit if they had a choice, it is worth mentioning that there was still a clear path beyond the summit. They probably didn’t realize how dangerous it would be to walk a little further on something they felt was still some sort of trail

[@Temarama7]

Dogman & Paranormal Research with Jeff Nadolny

[@reesedaniel5835]

@@Temarama7 I agree with his take on it.

[@Catmom-gl5nt]

@samgerrits It’s funny you said that because I grew up hiking. My brother does search and rescue and he and wife are avid hikers. I travel for work and have hiked on every content, save Antarctica. That being said, I always hire a guide! When they ask me for my experience level, I always say an enthusiastic amateur. Then when they see my pack, they say I’m clearly experienced, but I feel I know enough to know how dangerous the wilderness is and how easy it is to get into trouble. I take the same tack when I ride and the stable asks my level, which I rate as intermediate, but after a hack, they try to tell me I’m advanced. Yeah, well, I think it’s safer to underestimate one’s ability to prevent taking on more than you can handle.

[@diva8717]

These were two inexperienced girls from a foreign country who got lost in unknown terrain and instead of just stopping and waiting for help they kept going thinking they could find their way out but only got more lost. It was a tragic accident but one that could have easily been avoided.

[@NatashaAnsted]

What helps could they have counted on?

[@Maruzzela-l1u]

​@@NatashaAnstedcouldnt they call for help?

[@MrThe1234guy]

Help wasn't coming they were there for a week if help was coming they would have found them

[@whiteshadow59]

everything can be avoided in theory, but life isnt theory

[@sara_387]

@Maruzzela-l1u They were out of signal, and they never returned the way they came. Their phones showed that they went further in the wrong direction. They likely continue further into the jungle, or reached the monkey bridge, possibly injured themselves.

[@boyzinthewood1]

As for the phone activity with the wrong pin. Heres a totally plausible explanation. Friend with iPhone died. Other friend with Samsung took friends' iPhone, knowing her own battery was dying but without knowing the friends pin. It's not a conspiracy, just poor decision making.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

Exactly.

[@dinahbrown902]

Too young

[@change_your_oil_regularly4287]

agreed!

[@sovereignbrehon]

That would check out

[@Pinki_315]

Who is that though???

[@SnowyRains]

Fun fact, because of so many American movies, shows etc you can now call 911 in Australia and be immediately connected to 000 emergency services

[@LilDpinkcamel]

Same in New Zealand, We've had that since the 1990

[@DomiBlanche]

112 can also be used internationally. It connects to the national emergency services automatically.

[@jm9841]

Many countries use 911

[@AZodiacCancer]

Doesn't this work in a lot of countries? It just routes you to the countries emergency number?

[@ADHDee-me]

That's dope. I'm Canadian...and make a point to learn the 911 equivalent in any country I travel, and Australia is on the bucket list.

[@gigia41]

As the mom of two teenaged daughters my first question was: who thought it would be. A great idea for those two to travel thru Panama alone? I mean WTF?! B

[@todayslist37737]

But mom, I'm not going to be alone! My best friend is going with me... That's how I feel the conversation started.

[@blancdelarocha9863]

@@gigia41 Kris was a traveler she before this trip had gone to Peru but unfortunetly this time she befriended a psychopath with his gang the son of a policeman. Lisanne in her diary shows something was bothering her even wrote she wanted to be home. Huge coverup.

[@secondsea2]

Presumably they were with some kind of volunteer organization. So not necessarily traveling alone, but left the organization they were with for their “adventure” day.

[@weaverdreams]

Exactly what I was thinking. It was a bad enough idea to go to that country, but to go to the rainforest and hike overnight really was like a death wish it seems.

[@katarzynapiatkowska]

They were adults.

[@sleepingbee8997]

Man, this one has always freaked me out. Not cause I even think anything sinister happened. I think two girls just got in over their heads, got lost, and died in the jungle. But the pictures and phone data just paint such a terrifying picture of how they must have felt as it happened.

[@TigerLily61811]

What's terrifying is the phone and camera activity show they were alive for about 8-10 days out there.

[@kellytrimble7019]

Dumb, dumb, dumb 😢

[@claudine7985]

I saw the video of the parents taking the route that was understandable based on the known data. They went beyond the point where the last photo was taken and they found that it is not easy to get off the path, but in my sight it was very easy to take the wrong path from the summit. It all looks so the same. If they took the wrong path on purpose, which is possible, but maybe they misjudged the time, because they were not well equipped for a long hike and were too lightly dressed. I don't think it was part of the girls' plan to be out for more than 8 hours, but I also think they were very inexperienced with hiking and did not expect it to get dark so quickly.

[@JesusismyRock773]

@@kellytrimble7019 Dumb??? NO! They got lost. It happens more than you know. Perhaps they didn't take into consideration what "may" happen if they got lost. They were young and inexperienced. But dumb. NO. May they Rest in Peace with our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@rosemarie20]

So very sorry for their parents, families and friends.

[@peterbaruxis2511]

But especially for the two young women- from my point of view.

[@amberspaulding]

I hope they aren't reading this, where we all blame them so hard.

[@NinaFodale-y2e]

Being stalked by a Jaguar seems more reasonable.

[@pierstheoneandonly]

A forensic study of the remains dismissed that theory.

[@AbbyD_TN]

This may be a popular story, but this is the first time I've heard of it. Thank you for covering it.

[@annettenenner7212]

Be careful who you believe, because there is an incredible number of untruths. Just like here. I recommend to read the book Still Lost in Panama.

[@AbbyD_TN]

@@annettenenner7212 thank you. I read many of the comments and saw different perspectives. Sad story, whatever the details are. I don't need to do a deep dive or anything. Thank you for the caution, though.

[@patriciafuentes7988]

Me too

[@-LoveGrandma]

Me too.

[@terireed3740]

@@AbbyD_TN it's the first I've heard of it as well. It really hurts my heart thinking of 2 very young women losing their lives, they had everything ahead of them. My prayer is that it was an accident, that they weren't scared, and above all that it was something they were able to come to terms with before they left this world so they could leave it peacefully. Fly with the angels girls until those you love can be with you ❤️

[@kathymanthey2062]

Lack of food and water can lead to confusion causing someone not to remember their pin or one girl was trying to use the other girls phone and didn't know or remember the pin.

[@sarahfarmer6835]

Kyle, you are a great and honest story teller. One thing I learned from my brother who is a Crown Attorney, is that you really never know.....

[@margiewinslow872]

Even though my first introduction to this story on media was a lurid recounting, I never thought that it was anything more than tragic. Going on, maybe considering a shortcut, getting injured . I agree with Kyle that someone found the backpack but realized they shouldn't have it and put it in a conspicuous spot. I worked and hiked in that terrain. Slippery, dense. Flash floods, venomous snakes, venomous or poisonous animals and plants. Even with a local guide with a machete to mark the trail, a gun for snakes, etc. And an antivenin kit with antidotes for 12 types of poisonous snakes, plus ropes for stream crossings. We still almost lost a person in a flash flood.

[@diannenoneya6994]

Why didn't the girls make a video about what was going on since it appears they called 911 so something happened. Maybe one girl died before the other which would explain the difference in decomposition. Maybe this information is being kept secret until the people they could have had a problem with are found. This alleged 3rd party is not going to hide out if they think nobody is suspicious are they? Just a theory. Anyone who goes out into the jungle unprepared and unarmed is asking for trouble. The fact they went on such a dangerous hike and thought they'd be safe is strange enough as it is.

[@nickfish8345]

The backpack was 'found' (it had already been found some time back and had ample time to dry out) because the reward money suddenly went up to, I think, 30,000 dollars.

[@DougCanney1]

I'm not an experienced hiker, I am a bushcrafter, and I've spent many nights in the woods by myself. But always in familiar territory. I can tell you without a doubt, if the story about finding other bones where they found theirs is true, they were consumed by animals. That's a very common thing for a bear, even alligators will take their catch to one place and eat it safely, away from other eyes and appetites. Panama is not a safe place in the city, much less in the dense, dangerous Forest. There's so many different ways these young ladies could have perished, it's super sad to even think about. Finding her foot still in that shoe is pretty obvious that something chewed it off, very surprised this wasn't touched on in the video. I used to be a hunter, I know how carnivorous animals behave. They wouldn't take the shoe off the foot and eat it, they would just chew the part easiest to get to, bare legs. New subscriber, your content is distressing. But I'm learning a lot from it. I'm learning I'm probably never going to go hiking again. Not without a bazooka, an Abram's tank, and a security force of 15 or more. Not to mention satellite tracking and a UAP parked somewhere with the motor running.

[@pixpusha]

Do you think it could have been a jaguar? I had to google "carnivorous" animals of Panama and the panther came up. Wondering if there are any other animals that could have possibly attacked them.

[@oOIIIMIIIOo]

When the flesh vanished the foot with shoe falls off on its own, just saying.

[@DougCanney1]

@@pixpusha definitely possible.

[@superpsyched5624]

There was no signs of animal predation on the bones.

[@louberkman5995]

Right?

[@eze417]

I never heard of this case before, so thanks for buckling under public pressure to do a video on it. IMO this incident could be an example of what happens when people rely too much on GPS and cell phones. Many people today cannot tell east from west without it. I think it's possible that they went past the turnaround point expecting to still have service and got lost trying to find their way back. It's very tragic because it need not have happened.

[@vikingskuld]

I have been to Panama and if you got out in that jungle not knowing a thing. It would be a legit miracle for you to find your way to civilization. They had this plant like grass but it was over 10ft tall. So if you take a bit of your yard and enlarge the grass to 10ft and thick enough to support itself. The heat was crazy down there as well. I was there in the rainy season so about every day you could stand on the beach and watch the rain roll in about 3pm. It was like a wall or line you could watch the rain as it came to you. It's a whole different world for someone that's grown up in the north. Sad story I hate it for the girls and their families.

[@bradsanders407]

My friend and I decided to take a short cut in my local woods which is about the size of 6 city blocks in the fall when there were no leaves on anything. It took us 30 minutes to find the woods edge and when we did we were going the exact opposite way of which we were headed. And this is the same woods i grew up playing in. There was 3 guys way back in the 1800s went hunting in a wooded area outside of my town that was about the size of 2 country blocks (2 square miles). They got lost and died trying to find their way out. If you ever leave a trail you have to have a compass or at the very least some string you can tie to a tree by the trail to find your way back. It doesnt take any time at all to get disoriented and lose all sense of direction.

[@JacksonDiddles]

@@bradsanders407 That's complete bullshit or they were idiots. I grew up hunting in unknown country (we were from the city) every weekend...every time we went out it was different territory and we never used compasses or maps. Never got lost or disoriented (though I did get some good scares). Anyone with a lick of sense can navigate in the wilderness, it's people expecting to be saved or not aware of how coddled and unaware they are that will create a problem.

[@chestersarang806]

It's a forest. There are no jungles in the American continent.

[@time2see192]

​@@JacksonDiddlesThere are many people that simply have zero sense of direction. There are LOTS of city people that have never even been in a forest, and would EASILY get lost, even in a small one, and, just as many have in the past, succumb to the "dangers" of getting lost. I too am just fine in the woods, and I'm a girl. But to think that is BS, they people get lost in the woods, even in a small forest, in just silly. It happens all the time, people losing their sense of direction, even going off trail to take a whizz.

[@ruth370]

​@@chestersarang806 I mean that's kinds splitting hairs. It's a rainforest. Rainforests and jungles are pretty similar. The only notable difference being the canopy of trees overhead in rain forests, vs. thicker ground vegetation in jungles. Not that it really matters in context to this conversation, people can get lost in any landscape.

[@StillLostinPanama]

A few corrections: - The dog's name is Azul and belonged to the owner of Il Pianista restaurant Giovianni. We have spoken to him. This is one of the many internet rumors. Azul never accompanied Kris and Lisanne according to Giovanni. - Lisanne's insurance card was found in the backpack, not her passport. - After April 5, the cell phone was turned on four times without a SIM PIN. A wrong entry was never made. - There were not 30 bones found, but 5: a foot, a rib, a pelvis, a lower leg, a thigh. - The bones of two other people were actually found with the remains of Kris. These are the bones of an adult Indigenous woman and an Indigenous infant. - We don't know how Kris and Lisanne got to the trail. Two cab drivers claim to have driven them, but both give false dates and times. In addition 11 other witnesses saw Kris and Lisanne at a different time on the day of their disappearance - and in different clothes. Not a single witness could be found who saw them in the right place at the right time. Nor were they seen by any witnesses in the clothes they were wearing in the pictures.

[@JamieBerghoff]

Help me you seem to be super knowledgeable and I am dying to know for one if the bleached bone is even a real thing and if it is are they saying sun-bleached or are we to be assuming like the chemical bleach was involved? Sorry I feel kind of dumb but I have to know. Also thank you for all of this amazing clarifying information this was awesome of you.

[@anetkajerabkova19]

This might be kinda nitpicky but one foot contains 26 bones so if they found a foot, 30 bones sounds about right.

[@playerreaper1]

​@@anetkajerabkova19 honestly i have no info on this case but from the explanation thats what I was thinking too. Like if were talking specific bones then even a finger is several

[@ninap451]

This makes sense as the girls would have almost certainly have taken photos of the dog if it had been there.

[@StillLostinPanama]

@@JamieBerghoff We spent six months in Panama and walked all the routes where Kris and Lisanne might have been. She hiked up and down the trail. We re-interviewed all the relevant witnesses and were able to access and expand the almost 4,000 pages of original case files. We have published the results on 450 pages and 200 documents in our recently published book “Still Lost in Panama. The Real Tragedy on Pianista Trail”. Which I naturally recommend to you. Of course, we also discuss the bleached bones in it, as we have the autopsy reports.

[@nadirahdisantowonghamilton1423]

My husband is from Panama 🇵🇦 and we’ve been there many times. He knows where not to go in his own country. Americans have to stop thinking like Americans when they visit other countries period and do your homework on the country before you visit!

[@jamesnorthup7717]

It said they were from the Netherlands not America...

[@nicolehutto6941]

Not Americans 😂

[@nicolehutto6941]

Do your homework and listen closely...

[@Chance-ch8wv]

The narrator said these two girls were from the Neverland's at least 8 different times. you should really do your homework before you make comments like (Americans have to stop thinking like Americans.) SMH...

[@robindavisduckworth8992]

​@@Chance-ch8wvI am so sick of all the American bashing on the internet. All countries have their pros and cons. Thank you for correcting the posters' mistake.

[@sarahharas9114]

Two young, attractive females hiking alone in a vast, uncharted wilderness. What could possibly go wrong?

[@dj393]

Naive.

[@thedinkydreads9351]

So....what? Only men and unattractive women should be allowed to go hiking?

[@BeingNancy]

So it's the girls fault? Are you blaming the victims. They may have not used good judgement. Does that justify what happened to them?

[@bluemingsounds2837]

Dogman or Smallfoot

[@michelero4297]

@@BeingNancy They are victims of what? The jungle? Seriously, I feel for those girls but its their own decision to wonder off and get lost. Once you are lost and you don't know simple east / west / north / south and which direction the city is located its easy to go further away. If they are victims, its of not being prepared or knowledgeable. No water, no food, no direction to actually walk, sounds like they made it several days before probably dying of thirst or drinking the water in the river and it causing more problems.

[@kiimmig2293]

I can say without any doubt that in no way would I have let any of my three girls go on this trip. We took a trip to Montana and were attempting to have a safety conversation about what to do if we ran into any wildlife, especially Grizzly. One was convinced she would absolutely kick its a$$. 🤯 They’re all grown now and have young adults themselves. I’m truly amazed that any of them survived.

[@antoninagaras7894]

Swallowed by Phyton.

[@lilys7431]

Sounds like you got lots of stuff right, I thought I would just be calm and make friends with the grizzlies 😂

[@patricialynnmoore]

That is impressive they made it to adulthood. 🤯

[@davidsavage5630]

The only way you're kicking a grizzly's ass is if your foot passes whole out the other end..

[@TheSolidheroes]

@@davidsavage5630Hahahahahaha😂😂😂

[@bevturquoise4651]

Deeply appreciate NO background music. Good job, thanks.

[@simonefeaster5131]

Kyle, thanks for covering this story. I’ve been to Panama twice (both times going to the jungle with a guide to birdwatch), and I can attest that “trails” there are usually carved out with a machete during the hike. Things can get very gnarly really quickly-very steep and precipitous trails, it’s easy to slip, etc. while I’m confused like you about the camera evidence, I lean towards an accidental slip and fall of some kind. Rest in peace, sweet girls!

[@Annekeandrew]

I am from the Netherlands but living north of Johannesburg in South africa. My issue here is that young people from NL love to travel the world. The Dutch are very adventurous and curious people, same as Germans and British and often take chances by traveling in local 'mini busses', we call them taxis. They visit townships and unfortunately I have to add that it is very unsafe for blond bleu eyed young european people to do that. The Dutch are very naive and trust everybody. I have seen it here as well. Please young people, always travel with somebody trustworthy from an official agency. Don't explore everything on your own. You don't know the country you are in.

[@istudios225]

I too am leaning towards the 'accident' scenario. One or both of them could have slipped and fallen down a steep embankment and gotten seriously injured, even unconscious, and eventually they just couldn't get out.

[@kristie3592]

So I don't want to sound like I'm victim blaming. I don't blame them, but after hearing this and many other wilderness hiking stories, I don't want to go into the wilderness. The idea of going to a foreign country and wandering out into the jungle sounds like a horrible idea. Call me a wimp but I don't see the thrill in hiking. I don't want to strap my stuff on my back and walk out into the middle of nowhere. This is just something I don't think is safe.

[@abbasgirl8153]

I like to hike (don't do it a lot ) because I refuse to don't alone. I live in an area that is full of great trails, but you will not catch me out on them alone. I am with you on the idea of another country, especially a jungle! These girls were young and naive. Beautiful and more bold than they had grit for. (Not a nasty comment, just fact) no flashlight, whistle, matches or anything like that. Only one bottle of water??? Did I hear that correctly??? And I don't go onto my local trails alone because of how crazy people are nowadays. There is no way I would have allowed young girls/women to go like that. They had NO WEAPON!

[@user-ge7on8wy1o]

For me, my raison d'etra is heading to foreign countries and hiking into the wilderness. We are well prepared and cognoscente of dangers. A life of milquetoast, pusillanimous, mundanity is the antithesis of life. I understand a life without adventure, and I reject it.

[@todayslist37737]

It seems to me in most stories I've heard, the common theme is not staying on the trail. Go hiking, have fun, enjoy the views, JUST STICK TO THE TRAIL!

[@jeffguarino2097]

When you go in the bush on a poor trail , then turn around to go back , all of a sudden you find forks in the trail going back and don't know which is the correct path. You have to mark your route every 25 feet or so you can find your way back.

[@harshitpanchal]

what you mean by 'find forks'

[@jeffguarino2097]

@@harshitpanchal Fork means forks in the path. I have been on lots of trails and when you turn around there could be places where the trail splits in two. It's a nightmare to navigate. We used to mark trees with some spay paint every 30 feet or so , and then you could find your way back. You can also make a cut in the tree bark on both sides of a tree but I don't know if this damages the tree or not ?

[@harshitpanchal]

@@jeffguarino2097 fork you mean those needle like spikes grown on plants and trees? if so, how is it that they appear when going back but not forward.

[@jeffguarino2097]

@@harshitpanchal No the path on the ground. The route has a fork. Google fork in the trail for your explanation.

[@harshitpanchal]

@@jeffguarino2097 ok, even if you mean the forks are scattered on ground. what do you mean they suddenly appear when going back. (but not when came by)

[@wendyreid8464]

As a mom with daughters, I know how they can get over excited at that age and especially on holiday in an environment unlike home. My feeling is that they were busy taking selfies and photos in various poses, with the views in the background when one maybe slipped and fell, banged her head and the other one joined her to help etc, she may even have hurt her leg or ankle such that she couldn't walk, sounds to me like they stayed together in that place and used their phones to firstly try call help then to illuminate the darkness, which would have been very scary with lots of animal noises etc. Eventually I suppose the inevitable demise of the injured girl first then the second one some time later, without food or water. Carnivorous animals would be attracted to the scene. They may well have climbed up for selfies to high points, thus leaving their packs etc near the river, which is why their backpack floated off eventually, maybe after some heavy rains. So sad indeed RIP

[@2269blondtiger]

My dad recently passed away, i was in his room the last few days he was conscious, when my Dad took a turn for the worse he could no longer remember his pin he tried to get me to open it but he was wanting badly to use his phone and was becoming confused, when people start to die they forget things but they still desperately try. They most likely were delirious trying to get into their phones I dont think putting a pin on your phone always is the best idea.

[@Zyryne1]

I see that you are Caucasian and don't concern about interacting with police. LOL 😊❤

[@MrEpeeFencer]

@@Zyryne1 What?

[@jadesluv]

A consideration is his room? Hospital? Nurses present? Sounds like someone was giving your dad morphine

[@JaneDoe-vi5yc]

I’m so sorry about the loss of your dad. It’s an ache that doesn’t go away.

[@pamelacorona3665]

One of my favorite sayings from Judge Judy is " if it doesn't make sense then it's not true". And there's this one that my step-dad said to me often 'never believe what you hear 👂 and only half of what you see 👀 because that half could be an act for thee." 🎭 🎬 🎥

[@bb-hx2fw]

I'm thankful of your covering this story. I haven't seen anything about it and count on watching your channel to find these things out. Thank you, very interesting, as always.

[@saraw8503]

Not from Panama but I had opportunity to visit there on an all expense paid trip by the US Army. We spent time between Almirante and Fort Sherman. Panama is NOT a place I would choose as a vacation. There are some very scary places there.

[@alexf3r2x]

Unfortunately, people are held hostage by beautiful and attractive places like this, but at the same time they are not so safe.

[@sarapiburn2523]

Thank you for your service🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@szwolinski4587]

It is never a good idea to be overconfident or nonchalant about hiking in the wilderness. I nearly died hiking in the temperate rainforest of the Pacific NW. I have been hiking here for over 50 years. One day I just thought I'd pop into the forest and coastline near Lake Ozette on the Olympic Peninsula in WA State. I was going for a geocache that hadn't been found in four years. I was feeling cocky and sure of my skills and prowess. I broke one of the cardinal rules of rainforest hiking - don't take shortcuts. I slipped and fell while crossing some truly massive fallen trees which were covered in moss. Got my leg stuck between two logs and then remembered that I hadn't told my wife where I was going, there was not any cell service, I hadn't brought my emergency beacon, and I was in an area seldom visited. It took me nearly an hour of agonizing twisting and turning to get my leg unstuck. After that, I only had to hike seven miles back to the parking lot while wading across a river, climbing up one side and down the other of a rope ladder to get over a 60 foot sea-stack, and a 150 foot climb back up to the level of the trailhead. I met a park ranger when I was about two miles from the parking lot. He asked if I needed evacuation due to the cuts, bruises, and severe limp. He just shook his head when I explained my stupidity and turned down the evac. Oh yeah, two tours in Vietnam so I know that tropical rainforests (jungle) make our temperate rainforest look like a holiday park. I cannot imagine how those poor girls felt.

[@TonyB2279]

I still remember people obsessing over those photos back in the day... "Look in the background of that one! You can almost see a creepy-looking FACE!" and the like.

[@WhyEvenBother-t4w]

In the blackness at the bottom oh the hill. I remember that too

[@hed420]

20:23 Looks like a creepy face on the left side of her head looking straight at her.

[@duudsuufd]

@@hed420 No, these are sun rays through the leaves falling on different plant parts.

[@outqast]

I think you are thinking about the two girls from New Zealand, who actually did capture a Person in the bush behind them in a selfie, in one or two, of the photos. It is so similar a case, that It makes sense that it could be confused and i only know this because my Sister was in New Zealand and travelling at the same time, and was a pretty traumatic event, as her and her friend were on the same trail the day prior and saw a creepy guy following them. But they had a horn, whistle and bear spray, and made a ISNANE amount of noise the whole way back doen the mountain.

[@readdeeply9278]

As a red herring, the idea worked.

[@donnabeach1250]

It never ceases to amaze me why people would go hiking in a such a foreign land by themselves not knowing where they are going and how dangerous it can be. Risky business can lead to risky outcomes. Sad but true. It's unclear what a call to an emergency number would be for; REALLY??

[@oliverroedel1111]

I saw a report that showed how the local police investigated a group of local guys, one of them the tourist guide

[@RoughBacon88]

It's actually totally possible for a camera to skip a number on its own. If you read Canons documentation they recommend doing a full format on an SD card after transferring images off the card. If they took 509+ photos on that card before and never formatted it, it's totally feasible that the cameras system just thought that file still existed and skipped the number. There are forum posts on Canon and other places with other camera brands of this happening on the rare occasion.

[@RoughBacon88]

Also there are other ways to skip photo numbers, like water damage for example.

[@luckyotter623]

Hi Kyle, thank you for this channel, which combines my two passions: true crime and hiking. You're such a compelling storyteller too.

[@77atbirth]

I can’t believe I never heard of this case. Thank you for clearly telling this story. It’s so horrible. I am sure they were excited to go out adventuring, but sadly, had no idea what they were actually getting into.

[@lorirausch3326]

I don’t know a lot about this story but just an observation. The foot found in the hiking boot tells me that animals (apex predators like big cats) either ate the remains or actually attacked the girls while living.

[@phoenixshade3]

Two young white girls go wandering off alone into remote, heavily-forested mountains, in an area known for trafficking US-bound drugs into Costa Rica. What could possibly go wrong?

[@abbasgirl8153]

They were in Panama

[@libbyhicks7549]

He forgot to tell that they sent a text from the taxi that said they were changing their plans to go hiking, they were actually on their way for a shopping trip to town. the style of the text seemed awkward too.

[@phoenixshade3]

@@abbasgirl8153 Neither geography nor reading is your strong suit, I see. Boquete is right on the edge of Parque Internacional La Amistad, which is one of the routes by which Colombian cocaine gets to Costa Rica, from where it is smuggled into the US in shipments of agricultural products or low-tech medical supplies.

[@ghostshirt1984]

Human trafficking!

[@Bizhead3]

Yeah, that’s really going on there.. I personally always felt they met up with a questionable person(s). I hope not. They could have been attacked by an animal and fell. So sad for the Mom’s and Dads’s

[@jacquelinesapp7261]

This is so sad 😞 stay on the path. Don’t wonder off. 😢🙏🏼🕊️❤️ to family members here.

[@miapdx503]

This story may be well covered, but for many of us, you're a *trusted* source of information. Thank you for this 🌹 The nighttime pics and 911 calls make me think they were afraid of something.

[@change_your_oil_regularly4287]

Because you want to believe that there is absolutely no proof of anything other than two people getting lost and paying the price If you are lost you ring 911 if you are lost and injured you take photos and use the flash for light there is no mystery except the one people want to see

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

@@change_your_oil_regularly4287this is perfect

[@silviahannak3213]

Or someone who followed them

[@hattyburrow716]

Probably realised they were lost, terrifying enough

[@mandrews1245]

They were alone and lost off trail. Night came and the animals come out. In some jungles it gets colder at night than they were dressed for. They had no flashlight, fire or shelter. Every night sound scared them. It would be pitch black, something they were not used too. You would not be able to see your hand in front of your face. But every sound would be hightened. Probably minimum food or water. It was to be only a day hike of 5 hours. So often kids let their batteries run down. Never think about it until a "battery low" reading. Not realizing mobile phones fail when you get into places where wireless signals don't reach.

[@Mike-ez1bk]

Concerning the missing photo, it makes no sense to go through all the trouble to delete the photo off the camera and put the camera back in the backpack when it could just be dropped in the ocean or very easily disposed of some other way.

[@christybirling3299]

Great point.

[@nickfish8345]

When the backpack was found, the camera got forensically examined by government specialists, and it's possible that that photo was deleted because it indicated foul play which would've been disastrous for the local tourist trade.

[@kristine423]

112 is police emergency number. 110 is fire and 113 is ambulance. So this makes foul play even more probably 🥺

[@edwardtheinsane]

For a course in college, we put out some camera traps for a survey. Between when we put out the traps, and when we recovered them, the river had raised significantly and completely submerged one of our traps for several weeks. We were surprised to find that not only were we able to successfully recover the pictures from the card, once the camera dried out, it worked fine. So... you never can tell, I guess is what I'm saying.

[@rt66vintage16]

Remember, Jodi Arias literally washed her camera and pictures were retrieved.

[@hugheaston7598]

One time I had a phone (an old analogue one with a removable battery) that accidentally ended up in the washing machine and went through a complete wash cycle. When it came out it was completely full of water. I took the battery out and shook out as much of the water as I could, then left it to dry out for a couple of weeks. By that stage I'd got a new phone, but out of curiosity I put the battery back in and switched it on. It started up and appeared to be working normally. So yes, even going through the wash isn't necessarily fatal to electronics, as long as you dry them out completely and don't switch them on while they've still got water in.

[@liz9284]

These girls had nothing to protect them from exposure, no first aid kit, no rations, no way to make water, no knowledge of how to make fire. Did they know enough about berries and fungi to know how to find some that weren’t poisonous? I have no idea, I know nothing about Panama specifically, but I know enough to know that these girls were wholly unprepared. A fractured ankle or poisonous mushroom or insect bite would’ve been more than enough to take one of them down, and if the other didn’t want to leave her alone, didn’t want to risk getting lost looking for help, then they’re just sitting there waiting to die. It’s heartbreaking. I don’t think I would even attempt a hike like that without ample supplies, clothing, first aid, and a satellite phone. At the very least a system of checks so someone would know when I went missing. Or flares. SOMETHING. It sounds to me that they got in over their heads. My husband watches this KZbinr who rides motorcycles all over the world and she dropped her bike and broke her collarbone. I can’t remember which country she was in, but I do know that she’s incredibly lucky she got help instead of getting kidnapped and raped by the first person who stopped. In her case, the only person who drove past her was a doctor. It took 3 days to get her back to civilization I think. Ppl now are too far removed from the dangers of the world, cell phones and connectivity have given ppl a false sense of security.

[@vinnhi6425]

You are so wise, Liz! 🥰

[@tsteinebach287]

And wearing short shorts, but a 2 mile trail isn't that much of a hike, the problem is they didn't return back to the trail head.

[@anobserver5637]

I moved to Bouquete not long after their remains were found and know some of the people who were in the search party and a friend of the girls, it is the consensus that they met foul play.

[@TwoPawz-13]

Being in the jungle, a snake could have bit one of them and the other one didn’t want to leave … so they lay there and died from other animals in the jungle ..the back pack could of been thrown to scare something off and rolled into the river and the reason for so many flashes is to scare off something that only feeds at night … just a thought

[@sherryrutledge8792]

Lol! Your not serious are you?😂

[@mattneil1449]

​@@sherryrutledge8792and they git 40 likes 😂😂😂

[@olirc]

@@sherryrutledge8792 Don't worry, you find all sorts in the bottom half of the internet.

[@earnold1896]

I wonder if the backpack was on its side or upright when found. Also a different point, it may have been waterproof somehow hence the dry contents.

[@earnold1896]

That's a good point about the flashes @TwoPawz. Quite a reasonable scenario.

[@X41N3]

I remember this from 10 years ago, those girls were my age. It still hurts me as a stranger, my thoughts go their family/friends. Their deaths have been used as an example why not to enter those types of places, especially if ur female.

[@LostStories47]

On april of this year a book called “Still lost in Panama” was released and it reveals new details about this case.

[@MrsZombieMortality]

It seems like the iPhone owner perished/became unconscious first leaving the Samsung owner with a dead phone and a useless iPhone without the code. The missing photo was the first one taken at night presumably. Using the camera for light, They may have deleted the first “garbage photo” of just the ground at night and then realized deleting them was pointless so they continued to just take more photos without deleting them. Taking a photo of the back of her head was possibly to check for injuries after a fall since there was no light. I think the saddest part is probably that they were very close to a village (since the backpack was discovered there) and didn’t find help in time.

[@bradsanders407]

They were always relatively close to civilization. The trail they started on is heavily trafficked by locals. I think one left the trail to relieve themselves and couldnt find their way back yelling to the other. Without thinking they left the trail to find their friend. Once they found each other they could no longer find the trail. Instead of staying in place they just wondered around aimlessly getting themselves even more lost to the point they were no longer in shouting distance of the trail. Unless you have ever left a trail in a wooded area you would have no idea how incredibly disorienting it is. A friend and I was walking to the local golf cousre on the other side of the woods from my town. The woods are about the size of 6 city blocks. This was in the fall after all the leaves had fell. I decided to take us on a "short cut" and left the trail to make a "straight" line. Well 30 minutes later we finally got to the woods edge. Problem was we were back in town. We essentially took 30 minutes to make a u turn in a wooded area i grew up playing in with bare trees. So i can only imagine how lost i would have been if i was in an unfamiliar jungle. Well actually i can imagine how lost i would be, hopelessly. In a larger wooded area outside of my town, about 2 square miles, 3 men went into them in the 1800s as a short cut to get to the next town over. There were no creeks running through the woods for something to follow or to drink. They got lost and never made it out.

[@user-pinckneysux]

We live in that civilization that requires port-a-potties everywhere to survive in spite of ourselves.

[@ChurchOfTheHolyMho]

Arriving at a popular tourist location in the Great Smoky Mountains, my Dad pointed out a mountain - one that you could see from top to bottom. He then informed me that no one has ever successfully climbed that mountain. Someone who authored a book on the mountain went in and was never found. He then told me he met a Park Ranger who was a former Army Ranger trained for 2 years to take on the mountain. He said the Ranger entered at the bottom of the mountain - and 10 days later managed to find his way back out at the bottom of the mountain, thankful to be alive. I'm gathering that alot of that mountain is hands and knees through the rhododendrons, but i may be mistaken.

[@snakesghost7817]

What is the mountain's name ? Why is it so hard to climb ? Is it because it is too dense ?

[@ChurchOfTheHolyMho]

@@snakesghost7817 I'll need to check with my father. I've found a photo online from "The Jumpoff" that contains the (maybe ridge is a better word) mountain - but I can't get my brain to line it up with a map. Looking at a map, my brain wants to say its "Alum Gap" to either Horseshoe Mountain or Boulevard Prong Falls - but those start from the Boulevard trail - which is completely wrong. Those are probably moderately doable. There is a trail up Porters Creek which ends at a primitive campsite which sounds familiar in the story... Maybe starting there (if it is at the bottom) and trying to get to Porters Mountain or False gap (or horseshoe mountain? - unlikely)... And yes - my recollection is that it is density... Possibly rhododendrons with insufficient light getting through the canopy to tell direction (maybe use moss?).. I'll check and update. (i'm not a hiker. lol)

[@ChurchOfTheHolyMho]

My father confirmed / corrected the story. A retired military special forces guy (maybe 70 yo) turned AT trail runner / park volunteer (not ranger) opted to drop down Porter Mountain (no trails) from the AT and was not found after a 6-7 day search. So a bit different than I recalled. He didn't recount the other stories in his response. He said he has a book about Smoky Mountain disappearances, but can't put his hand on it and didn't find a link on Amazon. (I searched Amazon and found one that has disappearances and paranormal oddities... hahaha) So how much was recounting true stories and how much was a father-son teaching moment (in retrospect): (just because you can see the entire thing top to bottom does not mean it can be traversed, even if you are skilled in such matters / be prepared / be safe)...? I'll think that through myself. :) Cool. Thanks for asking!

[@snakesghost7817]

@@ChurchOfTheHolyMho Thanks for the reply man. So the problem is that vegetation or whatever is too dense to climb, thus being disorienting and not being able to find a clear route, right ? That's scary, lol.

[@ChurchOfTheHolyMho]

@@snakesghost7817 You got it! Oh, the GSMNP does have over 800 miles / 1300 km of hiking trails - that are semi-maintained and do not involve crawling through rhododendron to traverse. :)

[@UrsulaPainter]

Young people from cosmopolitan parts of the world are too often unprepared to deal with circumstances of life in the wild. It was unkind to let them wander alone.

[@joec4997]

Women traveling alone in a remote area of a foreign country is just a bad idea

[@michaelcheli5842]

Where the backpack was discovered was apparently out of sync with their hiking location, and hinted at foul play; and it has been theorized that they were killed by someone they knew that lived in very close proximity to where they were staying, and that the perpetrators were being protected by authorities due to their government ties.

[@phyrefey]

I've never heard of this story before, so not everyone knows about it and it's introduced me to your channel!

[@j.graham8068]

Why would someone erase a photo and then put the camera back in the backpack? That makes no sense to me. I'm highly skeptical of the foul play theory. It's far more likely that they got lost in the jungle. There are a lot of wild, dangerous animals out there.

[@alexf3r2x]

Thanks, please show this to some KZbin channels or Reddit, they need a bucket of "real water".

[@The_Andvarius]

justs so you can wonder

[@YellaBellaReno]

We tend to make stories like this more fantastical than they are, because we don’t like to contend with the reality that a wrong turn or a simple stumble can result in tragedy.

[@HDSME]

Yes like sick humans happens every day

[@mcetcher]

As a backcountry guide of 25+ yrs, and someone who has lived in Boquete + hiked Pianista and the surrounding area, it would be very, VERY easy for the uninitiated to die out there. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

[@AnnaK101]

So just from listening, my random two cents are that the flash on the camera was used as a source of light. At least for some of the photos. The foot found in the shoe was from "a bear". HOWEVER. these are just guesses. I know earlier this year, or was it last year, well known actor Julian Sands went on a hike and went missing, and they found his remains 3 months later. His remains did not provide any clues so they just ruled his COD as "exposure". And Mr Sands was an experienced hiker. I live in Australia and hiking at night... depends on where you are, but you must always stick to the trail! And seasoned hikers camp at night, even in "safe" locations. And then you have other countries that have bears and big cats. I'm a lot more scared of bears and big cats than anything in Australia, including sharks.

[@SomeCanine]

People severely underestimate how dangerous it is in the wilderness at night. During the day, you can see a hiking trail or rivers fairly easily because the sun is up. At night, it's impossible. This is why you stay on the path and you don't go exploring, because you need to be back before nightfall. Once you get lost, it's over.

[@tsteinebach287]

I read that the Apaches didn't have jails or prisons. Instead they would banish someone from the community knowing that back when there were grizzlies as well as mountain lions, and other bears, the lone person would not survive long.

[@NemFX]

Hey. Late to the party. Here's information: Two separate accidents. One fell off a cliff; the shots of the night sky are from the ground, the camera pointed up as a beacon. All of the pictures can be overlaid, to show that they are literally all from the same pov, same place, etc. Chances are a sprain, broken leg maybe, but they were more worried about a head wound, that's why there's pictures of her head. Possible concussion, maybe worse. The trail they were on, was largely unmarked at the time. It's one where you walk in a direction, get to a place, then walk back. At the time, there was no sign saying OKAY YOURE HERE GO HOME but apparently there is now. I'm guessing they saw something ahead of them, that looked like the next part of the trail they had already been following, and just kept walking. The missing photo probably happened because the camera went off at the same time the battery got jostled. It makes a corrupt photo that the camera deletes automatically. I had a similar digital camera, it happens. I also literally have the same samsung s3 phone, until i heard that she accidentally left it on, i was surprised it's battery died first. My one, if you have it fully charged, can keep a charge for over a week. It's only when I use it excessively that the battery drains. The other accident came when they tried to cross a monkey bridge. These are notorious for being difficult. They were upstream somewhere, finally found something manmade, and were so SO close to help. as for the bleached bones, they werent bleached. they were scavenged by fire ants. the excretions from those are very phosphorous, which cleans bones in a similar fashion. There's no grand conspiracy here. The ONE thing that was suspicious was their bag turning up. That was probably found by someone, realized it was evidence but didn't wanna get involved. No, this was just bad luck. They were smart, they kept to a routine, didn't waste their phone batteries, managed to clear a lot of ground while injured. Honestly, you couldn't hope for better from them. I wish they had just created a big fire or something, but there's no mention of them having matches or a lighter, so they probably couldn't. They were smart, and definitely had endurance. Gorgeous too.

[@constancedenchy9801]

@NemFx 100% agreed

[@vinnhi6425]

❣❤👍 Wow! Thoughtful comment. Excellent theory!!

[@phoenixmistertwo8815]

I agree about the backpack, but suspect foul play. These girls were alone, hot, and blonde. Theres no man in the world who wouldn't notice them, and in those woods opportunity came knockin'. Panama has interests in an accident being the official story. To me, I think foul play still fits better. Keep in mind that in CA, blonde haired women and men attract so much attention. The good people there would be surprised such princesses traveled there all alone.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

@@NemFX thank you for being sane

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

@@phoenixmistertwo8815 gotta love the thinly veiled racism. “All those dirty brown people after our pretty blonde white women!”

[@kathypirok-klein3413]

Did these girls believe there is no difference between a jungle in Panama and a forest near their home? No one should go hiking into any jungle, without a guide, a beacon and satellite phone. Same goes for mountain climbers. Tired of young people who don’t live in reality of what can happen? They didn’t think through their actions and it has cost them

[@mariaking6384]

Kyle! This reminds me of your segment on Aubrey Sacco, the young woman from Colorado who disappeared, trekking alone in Nepal and has never been found. I feel like its a bad equation: young woman/women adventuring alone in a foreign country; remote areas, unknown dangers. Super sketchy. I feel these young women should have exercised better judgement. So sorry for their families. Thanks for sharing this.

[@annatanneberger1]

I think they were met by someone at the top, who chatted and promised to show them a waterfall nearby. That's why their clothes were neatly folded as they went for a cooling swim and stood under the waterfall. And then the "guide" revealed himself. At first they would have thought he was fooling around. Once they realised he's a psycho, they simultaneously realised they were totally in his power and had no idea how to get back to the trail. They spent the next week trying to appease him and pretending they believe his assurances that he's taking them back via another route, but at night they would secretly try to make 911 calls. That's what I think. (70-year-old hiker, living at the foot of Table Mountain, witness to how young European tourists often leave common sense at home.)

[@phoenixmistertwo8815]

Well I would def suspect foul play for sure, in which Panama would cover up.

[@annatanneberger1]

@@phoenixmistertwo8815 I don't know why there are people accusing Panama of cover-up. As if the answer/solution is right there. "They" just covered it up. They did more than they would have done for a native, or even another tourist. As a former police reporter - I assure you a lot of people are murdered, and most of these deaths are mysterious, because the prime actors can't speak. Reporters sift through the hundreds of stories for something "different" a "hook." Most stories just never get the air. This story got all the air and all the resources. Laughable that people say Panama "covered up."

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

@@annatanneberger1 their clothes weren’t neatly folded, that was misinformation. There’s no evidence of foul play

[@annatanneberger1]

@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 I'm referring to the photograph of the two bras and other items in the back pack - does not indicate the chaos of an accident. They took those bras off when they still felt safe.

[@gerrimilner9448]

its difficult for human brains, to accept not knowing something, but this is a case of there being no way of knowing and we just have to cope with the not knowing

[@nickfish8345]

I don't know what you're talking about.

[@lisaslife83]

Ah man this one is heartbreaking. It looks like they did everything they could to survive

[@cassiehartford8997]

Yeah except *actually* packing proper gear and having a plan for hiking unknown areas of the jungle rather than treating the whole thing like a leisurely stroll through the park.

[@lisaslife83]

@@cassiehartford8997 agreed. But in the situation they found or put themselves in, they tried everything they could.

[@twanvorstenbosch]

​​@@cassiehartford8997100% , im from the netherlands and i can tell you that here in the netherlands you cant go out on a real adventure , these girls 100% thought they were going on a leisurely walk in the park , their fate was sealed as soon as they set a foot in that jungle , 0% experience with any kind of wilderness , they were doomed from the start

[@Tenskwatawa4U]

Except not go.

[@yvonnemariedonaghey5557]

What sends chills down my spine is they supposedly took all of those photos but not once did they document on a video that they were lost or possibly in danger and may not get out alive Were they really that gullible, or did someone lead them down the wrong path.

[@jylromain6439]

At their age, they still would have been in the stage of "We'll make it. We're invincible." Just psychology.

[@yvonnemariedonaghey5557]

@jylromain6439 Yes, I certainly remember feeling untouchable at that age, so it's plausible. However, this story really gives me an eerie feeling that this was not the case.

[@claudine7985]

I think they assumed they would be found and since they had been contacting the parents every day, they assumed that they would come up with the idea of ​​sending help on their own because they weren't getting any more messages. They also probably wanted to continue to save battery.

[@SandyEstabrook-um5jb]

Hearing this story is truly heartbreaking and horrific. These two beautiful girls look so much like some real nice girls i drove to school . My heart goes out to their families and i hope the monsters involed will be caught and regret deeply for the rest of their life what they have done !

[@nickfish8345]

The real monsters were the parents who allowed their daughters to go travelling in a country whose southern border - the Darien Gap - is rated one of the most dangerous places in the world.

[@SandyEstabrook-um5jb]

@nickfish8345 well I have to disagree with that ! As parents it's hard to let your children go to a foreign country, we have to let go at a curtain point . The girls were not 8 , no disrespect you can tell those girls were very loved , just by their inner beauty beaming out on the before pictures . The Monster s ..... are the ones who mercilessly harmed them and all involved !!!.

[@Olderthandirtcaligirl]

Two pretty young women, in a foreign country, going on a hike in the jungle, geeez…what could go wrong. Why do people do things like this?

[@quelithe]

Because women also love to travel. I was also traveling alone in foreign country. It´s not our fault, that there are predators out there.

[@axelschweiss9925]

Because they're young and inexperienced and don't realize how dangerous what they are doing really is. They are just having fun and don't think that anything really bad can happen. Once they realize it is too late. I was their age just a few years ago. as i'm getting older I'm starting to realize how naive you are at that age. You don't think about the possibility of death just because you go for a short excursion off path. You are finally an adult and are able to explore the world on your own terms. You think you are on top of the world and nothing bad could possibly happen to you.

[@sonofhibbs4425]

Agree, but there has been (at least at that time) many travel shows that display this type of happy -go-lucky traveler attitude when it comes to ‘exploring the world’. I blame shows like this because it sets the tone for others who seem to chuck common sense to the side when it comes to traveling, as if the world is super friendly and safe.

[@MrEpeeFencer]

@@sonofhibbs4425 Yeah there's a whole genre dedicated to telling young women to travel the world alone. It's utter foolishness.

[@rns69]

Naivety

[@botoewanesbo8649]

I'm so glad you are covering this story!

[@annettenenner7212]

Be careful who you believe, because there is an incredible number of untruths. Just like here. I recommend to read the book Still Lost in Panama.

[@Genevieve-ni5el]

You don’t ever want to be out in Panama at 4, 5 pm. You also have to know it pours there almost every day off and on for much of the year. It is really bizarre these women seemed so out of touch and careless in what we do know they chose to do

[@Marsamsung]

What really frustrate me regarding this case is why they never send an sms messages?

[@Jonathan_Strange]

Maybe they tried and there was no signal? But you're right - surely an SMS text would have gone a long way to shedding some light on their situation - and practically solving this mystery!

[@yvonnemariedonaghey5557]

Or make a video documenting they're lost...it's eerie.

[@kmwill23]

One of my favorite stories. Thanks for retelling =)

[@lovespurpleflowers]

“Favorite stories”?

[@lovespurpleflowers]

@@deekey33 “favorite” sounds a bit giddy for telling a tragic story?

[@sherryrutledge8792]

Except it’s not a story! My god!

[@SunshineDawn0616]

I love your take on these stories.. I’m binge watching!! Definitely subscribed

[@brianjanice5938]

There are alot of things you discussed in this video that simply are not true. Kris's shorts were never found neatly zipped and folded, the backpack was wet, the things inside were wet. The dog going with them is pure speculation, no one saw the dog go with them.

[@SerenaWilliams-g1c]

I know this particular case well myself with was absolutely frustrating to hear it retold with so many inaccuracies. Much of what is related here has since been totally debunked and it’s almost as if this was an AI generated version of information that is all mixed up.

[@philporter9957]

As for the electronics in the backpack, electrical equipment won’t be hurt by water, unless it is turned on and current flowing through it when it gets wet.

[@Genevieve-ni5el]

I am a true crime junkie, follow cases of missing and 💀 religiously and never ever heard about this case. You presented it exceptionally well and was very respectful to the women and their family. Americans and those of other countries specifically choose that part of Panama because it’s a safer, friendlier area, so it is surprising to see this is where this happened in all the area of Panama you wouldn’t be that surprised to hear of two young women going missing under odd circumstances.

[@TicTocRobotSnot]

For the camera file numbers, if the missing photo was deleted before the subsequent photos were taken, the new data would overwrite the sectors causing the deleted image to be unrecoverable.

[@marinakarlova3956]

It's a sad, disturbing, mysterious story. And maybe we'll never know what really happened to those poor girls. 😢

[@tirokopita]

Got lost, died.

[@upyorkstate5541]

Subscribed! I've been watching your content for a few years, always well done! The comments are also fascinating and mostly positive. A nice break from politics!

[@JoeinAlaska]

Very sad. Here in Alaska we have 500 to 2000 people every year disappear kinda like these ladies did. We will probably never know what happened to them.

[@sylviacontreras9768]

😮😢 That’s horrible-no idea

[@raybod1775]

Bears

[@Arsewell-Foundation]

2000 people a YEAR disappear?!? And no one has reported on that? That's more missing people than the entire rest of the country for 5 years!

[@jazzcatt]

@@Arsewell-Foundation It is true. Alaska has more missing people than any other state. Over 20,000 people have disappeared since the 1970s, and the annual average disappearance rate is approximately 2,250 people. And yes, it has been reported. You just haven't come across it.

[@charlanpennington3989]

D o g men. For a start.

[@flamesintheattic]

Not a mystery, they got lost, injured, whatever and didn't make it out. Panamanian jungle is no joke. It's easy to get disoriented in dense jungle, especially in bad weather. People go out hiking all the time who are wildly unprepared and inexperienced.

[@LibbyinTexas]

It is a mystery. We don’t know what happened to them. There are many things that weren’t covered that were very very strange.

[@flamesintheattic]

@@LibbyinTexas Not really. Bad weather/disorientation/injury is commonplace. Nefarious actors are not.

[@LibbyinTexas]

@@flamesintheatticif you talk to the locals they feel like the girls fell victim to a sudden flood in the river or they were murdered by an Indian. There are just little things that surround this that no one can explain - you can chalk it up to an accident or a murder and move along and that’s probably a likely scenario - and each thing can perhaps be simply explained but the bottom line is it is something we can’t say for certain what happened. And inquiring minds want to know …. But never will we know so it will always be a mystery case.

[@oOIIIMIIIOo]

My advice would be to stop moving around the moment you find out you lost the track. You have more luck to be found when you don't move away farer and farer from the track.

[@LibbyinTexas]

⁠@@oOIIIMIIIOoI have always wondered why they kept moving along. They called for emergency help quickly in so perhaps they felt threatened and were trying to get away. If they were injured it seems they would of stayed out and been found.

[@dawnl.8752]

The one photo of the girl leaning forward, looks to be a posture of her hands tied behind her back. No way this was an accident. You cant convince me otherwise that those girls weren't taken by someone or someones, which is why they were trying to document their horrifying walk at night.

[@88billythekid8]

Certainly the dog gets scared; runs off, they feel a duty to recover the dog whatever it takes The situation becomes a possible snake or insect bite while off trail , a terrible situation just keeps getting worse.

[@JackyHeijmans]

There are some comments, including "StilllostinPanama" that give more true information about it. Sounds like their family, or at least people close to them. They say the dog was not with them. It never went along with them.

[@ninap451]

I don't think a dog was with them. They would have taken at least one photo of it, surely?

[@mattneil1449]

Wow we got Sherlock Holmes up in the comments 😂

[@dogjeepmeat]

No dog, according to other videos.

[@readdeeply9278]

I researched this case exhaustively, for years. Some details seem to have gotten lost over the span of time. The hike the girls went on was taken on a trail that actually cannot be veered from. This is the first I've heard of them going off trail -- an interview with the parents after they went down to check it out themselves ensured that there was no way for the girls to get lost on that hike. It was a rudimentary walk, daily taken by a good number of tourists, old people and children, with a wall of mountain on one side and a sheer drop on the other. What's more, the girls were reported to have returned from that hike as told by so many witnesses. What they didn't return from was the swimming hole. That's where they went after they returned from their hike. The guest house matron's son offered to take them to a swimming hole to cool off. The girls piled into a pick up truck with a few other locals, and off they went. I don't believe any of the pictures taken at night, that do not feature any portion of the girls at all, were taken by the girls themselves -- I believe they were taken after their demise. Whether carelessly, or to intentionally throw off an investigation, no one knows. I hope you can find the pictures of the guest house matron's son, because I can't anymore and fear they might have scrubbed from the internet. But years ago, there were pictures of the son at that water hole with a group of other people not Lisaanne and Kris. The pictures are disturbing. One of them portray two girls laying on their sides, asleep or otherwise seemingly unresponsive, with the matron's son standing in the foreground holding what can only be described as a wooden club. They girls are posed identically, with their knees up and their folded hands tucked between their knees, eyes closed. Circumstantial? Sure. Nevertheless quasi-damming? Absolutely. You are correct in assuming that the camera had to have been hooked up to a computer after the fact to delete the one picture. The internet hums that it would have been to delete a particularly accusatory picture that would have blown the case wide open. Probably of swimming hole guy. Panama authorities would have jumped to delete, as the blame had to remain on the girls themselves or risk a scourge on the local tourism industry, which is the major source of income for the area. It is the one theory that makes sense. Hope it helps, and if you'd like to follow one of the tubers that leads me t o my conclusion, check out Backpacker Coach's channel, he did an outstanding job! Oh and the dog? belonged to the guest house matron and her son. And the plaid backpack they found? is not the one featured in the pictures taken by Lisaanne and Kris.

[@StillLostinPanama]

The swimming photo has been debunked. Kris and Lisanne are not in this picture.

[@readdeeply9278]

@@StillLostinPanama I know they're not. You'll note that I never said they were. It was different girls. And not the same photo either, as the yet other one, with the two girls lying down. Nothing was debunked.

[@KissyHug]

This makes a lot of sense unfortunately. Rip to two beautiful young women with their whole lives ahead of them.

[@stevenmcghee6649]

"or to intentionally throw off an investigation,"..........yep.

[@Felicity2121]

You just don’t think when you are young. I was 18 (1993) and traveled around, ended up in Morocco, met a lovely young man and he ended up showing me around. One night he took me to his sisters house in his jeep up the mountains miles from anywhere no one around! Fortunately I was safe. But I just didn’t think!! Looking back now I actually scare myself and wonder how I ever got that stupid. I was friends for a long time afterwards and we wrote each other, but it could have been so so different.

[@GaughanGirl77]

Lmao. I've watched soo many videos about these girls over the years, I actually really appreciate your no nonsense, anticlimactic ending. As much as i wish the rest of the photos would be released, who knows if they were even relavent. For all we know the rest of the photos were just them from earlier in their trip and the families justifiably want them kept private. Thanks for covering this case, and thanks for sticking to the basics and not wildly speculating like most videos covering this case do. The lack of sensationalizing it makes me appreciate all of your other videos on cases im much less familiar with even more. Keep up the good work. 👍

[@piranyam]

I am from Panama, and we locals usually stick to spots that we know well because of how common foulplay can be in such remote places (call us chickens! 😂). Foreigners are just so much more adventurous!! As I visited Boquete in 2013, I passed the entrance of another trail, and immediatelly got the chills due to it's narrow path with high grass (not well kept up)... my instinct just said nope! Either you go to a new place with some locals that you know well, or better stick to your usual places. Nowadays, with so much organized crime escaping from South- and Centralamerica towards our country, some evil ppl lurk in these remote places who can be very smart...

[@piranyam]

Btw. The place where they got lost is also part of the mesoamerican biological corridor, where big cats roam freely around...

[@bevmc5061]

These young women probably had no idea about hiking in jungles with Jaguars in a totally different country.

[@piranyam]

Also, my theory is that they were using the camera flashes to either signal their location to passing planes (when facing the sky) or to blind any creature approaching... using a quick flash for seeing in the night is useless

[@rickreese5794]

Multi millions of all kinds of people, Mostly of military age males, pass thru Panama Every month headed north to UssA 😮

[@zeitlichkeit5094]

You still live in a third world country…that alone speaks for itself. You talk as if Panama is the greatest sh*t and “evil” is coming from elsewhere. Im from central america too, let’s be real.

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

I read theories that they came across drug smuggling gang who killed them. Few people who were there in the area at the time died suspiciously too.

[@HDSME]

Yes dear this pannama a very very bad country lawless corrupt!

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

@@svetlanaandrasova6086 that’s stupid. There’s no reason a cartel would care that two random people saw them.

[@RDBean]

In & out of Panama, moved here 10yrs ago, generally safe, but know where not to go. Stay in Tourist areas in the capital & Colon. If you go into rain forest use well marked trails or use reputable guide. Never flash large amounts of money. Just common sense. Panama is 1 of the safest countries in Latin America

[@upwritingallnight7273]

this is terrible... I am so sorry and hope for the best for these families... prayers for them...