The Pico Fighting Board: The Fastest Arcade Stick PCB

[@MrSujano]

I'm loving all of the fightstick innovations this year! List of supported platforms: PC, Raspberry Pi, MiSTer, Android, Nintendo Switch, PS3, PS4 (legacy controller support)

[@DJDonkeytron]

Is it not compatible with Xbox One??

[@mathchewtv8389]

my master, can you show a review pico board on ps4? haven't seen on one of those

[@cyrillejoubert9108]

P0pm

[@kushalaxx]

You should have mentioned that 25$ is optional. Afaik you only need a raspberry pi pico for this, which is only 5$. So if you are willing to manually connect everything, this thing is incredibly cheap. You could also print the breakout pcb yourself, which would save you a few bucks too. Definitely incredible project

[@ponsho16]

Thank you - I was wondering this myself. What would one lose/have to account for if we go solo with just the rpi pico? Soldering is not an issue.

[@TheOriginalCactis]

I wired up a couple of RPi Picos with GP2040 in an old X-Arcade (early 2000s). It took a little effort, including some soldering, hot gluing, and remapping the pins, but it's in there and works great. Fun project. If you already have the tools (soldering iron, hot glue, etc), then you could just use a RPi Pico flashed with GP2040.

[@mavontejohnson3346]

what kind of board should you be looking for though

[@onldhes]

How do you mount the Pico inside the arcade stick without the rest of the board though?

[@TheOriginalCactis]

@@onldhes hot glue or 3m command adhesive picture hanging strips.

[@geist-2111]

It was about time we had one. Thanks for the video.

[@TheBlueArcher]

Seems like a pretty future proof board. Theoretically can be updated to work with any USB console, and the raspberry pi's GPIO pins can output to a retro console(with more work to get some output pins) or just pair it with an existing multi retro console board for less trouble...

[@UltraDavid]

ooo this is awesome, thanks for the news! i'm gonna pick one up

[@luiswayne7210]

Great content, as im starting to get serious into fgc im glad i found your channel

[@Daniel-it1dp]

Haven’t used a fight/arcade stick in years but this is intriguing as I get back into Shmups and beatemups

[@DimzNoms]

You have been making such amazing and varied videos! I love it all!

[@MrSujano]

Thanks for watching!

[@xyzzyx6241]

Could you make a tutorial to how you build your own arcarde stick with a few Options on every part with Pros and Cons to decide which Parts fits the best for someone?

[@DrDiemotma]

It is an option to revive my old fight stick which has a broken PCB... just as a fun little project. The brook would work as well, but where is the fun in it if it's not a bit bleeding edge?

[@tommysan319]

oooo nice video!! I bought one jus to try. cant wait to mess around with it!

[@MrSujano]

Open source is a lot of fun!

[@craigb7992]

6:10 Yah! adding RGB 5050 LEDs into your box can pull 20mA per LED colour for a RGB/White that is 60mA. That's what I call a voltage dropout below 3V. Check your source USB cable, or throw your switch out the window. I did ditto with my custom controller with RGB added pulling the voltage below minimum voltage using racing drone LED lights, 240 mA pull. You need a second power source/battery. Not a software issue. Your Kaimana LED Controller with 8 buttons equals 16x3x20 = 1A @ 5V. smoking your switch.

[@namillerable]

Looks like a thing worth checking out.

[@bwowzah]

Fantastic video! I got to be the 1,000th like too, which was cool.

[@user-yv2cz8oj1k]

Surely this is just a convenience, what we need is a guide to just use the Pico, the rest is for people who can't solder for a $20 mark-up. Plus with just the Pico it will fit in more devices, doubt anyone would want to swap out a $4/$5 part.

[@CyberDunk2077]

Could you do a revisit to this project, only making use of the Bluetooth on the Pico W next time? I would be interested to see if it’s possible.

[@Adniwhack]

I think GP2040 CE does not support bluetooth yet.

[@CyberDunk2077]

@@Adniwhack you are right it is not yet supported. I am just learning the basics at the moment, building a pico based hit box style controller and designing and 3d printing the case. Looking into it a bit further it seems adding Bluetooth support would not really have any benefit anyway as it would introduce some input lag. Which is the opposite of what you want on a fight stick I would imagine.

[@AvengerII]

@@Adniwhack GP2040CE also doesn't support PS4 (for more than 8 min) or PS5! There are also tons of PS3 games with security that will BLOCK the GP2040CE from working on them! Expect 20-30% of your PS3 games NOT to work with controllers equipped with GP2040CE. That's reality some people don't want to face. The Third Party PCBs that ARE completely functional with PS3 were reverse-engineered from functioning licensed PCBs. The cheapest runs $11-$12 but the reliable PCBs are $35 and up unless you can cannibalize a used PS3 Hori Commander Pad. Nobody's going to give you full-compatibility for free. It's just not happening! There are a lot of people under the delusion they can run everything for $5 when basic PS3 security hasn't been cracked on many games. (Big Surprise, though. The Zero Delay board does work with every PS3 fighting game and non-fighting game I've tested it with. I do agree, though -- it's FAR from the best PCB out there but they figured out something about PS3 security GP2040CE hasn't yet... So much for being the fastest PCB out there! That sounds like the hype Apple used in the 1990s to try to convince people their G3 and G4 computers had faster processors than PC's running Intel CPUs.) I can vouch for Marvel Vs Capcom 2 and Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix not working with GP2040CE. Those are 2 big games for GP2040CE to be incompatible with! I think it's a fine board but it's only "fully compatible" with PC and things like Raspberry Pi. The runarounds for PS4 and PS5 authentication of GP2040CE do sound expensive. The latest Brook converters are $50. If you already had a higher-end Brook PCB installed in a joystick, you'd almost be better off just getting the PS5 upgrade chip than spending another $50 on a converter unless you planned to use that converter with a fleet of retro-joysticks. That business of "GPIO pins" and 5V lines and etc., etc. that's complicated technical BS to expect people to do. 99% of the "mod community" doesn't like to solder to pincushion-sized solder points! It's like Michelangelo convincing beginning art students they'll all be able to paint the Sistine Chapel after a week of training! It's baloney! I went through all that business to try get the "keys" for the PS4 and I'm convinced that BS won't work for 95% of us! Those Reddit tutorials just don't work...

[@shapedokkan]

This looks very cool!

[@KetsubanSolo]

Posting here to say that GP2040-CE (this project's successor) has announced that a future update will include PS4 and PS5 support via passthrough verification! Basically you attach a USB connector's data cables to two sequential GPIO pins, and then the 5V and the Ground lines. If done right, you can plug in a Mayflash PS4 MagicBoot or a Brook FGC Wingman inside of your stick and unlock the stick for the PS4 and PS5. The best part is that due to the nature of the passthrough, the MagicBoot/Wingman are only there to provide verification checks, so you get unlimited access to those consoles without the input latency caused by plugging them in the usual way. This also removes the need to do a hardware modification of a PS4 to dump a Dualshock 4's Firmware.

[@ccricers]

Damn, just bought a Teensy board and now I gotta buy the Pico. And it’s cheaper than Teensy too.

[@waaj123]

Seems as if the person who made the pico board disappeared. I dunno what happened, but their twitter was suspended and the PFB website linked is privated. What a shame.

[@tortillajackson881]

cant seem to access the config window. just tells me the site cant be reached

[@JohnshiBRPG]

I wonder if this is possible for this to be compatible with JAMMA or JVS input systems?

[@ryandeopante5317]

Great stuff! Was wondering if you can do a video on Raspberry Pi running fc2. Looking for a portable setup where i can plug and play with any monitor i find.

[@pedroangelsaezhernandez5347]

Does it work when connected DIRECTLY to the N Switch (not the dock)?

[@MrArshadbosan]

Need this board to work on ps5. How it is possible ?

[@Markusaur]

be interested to know if putting it into a brook wingman and using it on a ps4 or ps5 increases latency..

[@KetsubanSolo]

So this is actually kind of an interesting topic. Currently, PS4 mode can be accessed without a Wingman by physically modifying a PS4 and dumping a Dualshock 4's Firmware, and then flashing it onto a Pico Board. As you can guess, it's not very user friendly at all. There is an increase in latency if you plug it in via Wingman (IIRC it's something like 1 milisecond). HOWEVER... Two days ago the devs announced that they figured out how to add passthrough authentication to the board, which means that if hooked up properly, you can plug the Wingman into the PCB itself. This reduces the Wingman's role to simply providing verification checks for the PS4 and PS5 while the Pico Board handles all the input processing. As a result, there is no added input latency with this method.

[@csolisr]

It's a shame that the PS4/PS5 controller interface hasn't been cracked yet

[@KetsubanSolo]

Copy-pasted from another comment: So this is actually kind of an interesting topic. Currently, PS4 mode can be accessed without a Wingman by physically modifying a PS4 and dumping a Dualshock 4's Firmware, and then flashing it onto a Pico Board. As you can guess, it's not very user friendly at all. There is an increase in latency if you plug it in via Wingman (IIRC it's something like 1 milisecond). HOWEVER... Two days ago the devs announced that they figured out how to add passthrough authentication to the board, which means that if hooked up properly, you can plug the Wingman into the PCB itself. This reduces the Wingman's role to simply providing verification checks for the PS4 and PS5 while the Pico Board handles all the input processing. As a result, there is no added input latency with this method.

[@izzygood]

Is this project still active at all? The ferelai shop link no longer seems to work... Is there an alternative?

[@thump3r]

there is a spread sheet that shows the brooks ufb at .818 average input latency. so the brooks is still the fastest?

[@wcerasmus]

is thi board still available the links in this video is dead

[@striderhiryu973]

it seem the best is the arduino pro micro with daemonbite firmware with average 0.74ms

[@gxmcdg]

Do you know what the "TP" button does? Its on the board at the side of the LS and RS pins, but I have no idea of what it does. Nothing happens in windows's calibration screen neither ingame (sf6).

[@betoo577]

hello friend, would you know if this pico figther board is compatible with brook wingman xb adapter?

[@ozgurertan5461]

Hello, where can I find this software?

[@jmavlogs0729]

Will this work for Hori Alpha ps5?

[@emilkolano8382]

does any1 know if it will work on xbox one through brook wingman xb?

[@alat_ka]

Their site is down :(

[@RunehearthCL]

I'll keep using the zero delay until another good affordable pcb comes to my country lol

[@TheFrenchy82]

A quick question : how to link the Pico Fighting Board (micro Usb) and the Neutrick connector ? Is there any adapter ?

[@GaijinMo]

If you orient the Neutrik connector so that the USB-A jack is on the inside, a short micro USB to USB-A cable should work. In FeralAI's photo, it looks like they're using a micro USB to USB-A or B adapter, but it's hard to see. With that said, what persuaded them to put micro USB on the Pico FB? I thought micro USB was universally hated.

[@Sanryuji]

is it tournament legal?

[@gxmcdg]

Where did you find translation for what is B1, B2, B3....... I mean, is B1 weak punch in a SF pattern? Is it "A" in a Xbox controller/driver?

[@LordCrimson78]

“A new challenger appears!”

[@rickeymh]

Thank you for this great review. I am curious how these delay times were tested. I can see triggering from the actual mechanical button, but what triggers the other side? is it a pattern on the USB? Is it an HID response from the PC or game console? Please indulge me.

[@nobantahir]

I'm new to these, will I be able to have an analog arcade stick and arcade buttons that can be linked to the GameCube C stick?

[@Egganopolis82]

Time to upgrade my PCB.

[@lorvha]

i would use Pico on Ps5. Will a firmware ever come out?

[@gocedimitroski]

any news for PS4 compatible mode

[@LucasNaruto8107]

I modded my MadCatz Alpha (works natively on ps5) into a hitbox and the raspberry pi pico (3€) worked really well as socd cleaner, no delay

[@de4dey338]

I have an EZ mod for my quanba obsidian would this be compatible or do i have to solder it in ???

[@neccros007]

Will it be tournament approved???

[@MrSujano]

I think with the ability to add custom firmware, that would fall into a pretty big grey area. For online tournaments, it's probably fine since there is no way of determining someone's pcb. For offline tournaments, it might be better to not say anything. :)

[@ryanmatheyse7829]

Does this work on PS4?

[@baadshahmiya]

I only have the 5$ raspberry pi pico board. Is there any guide to manually connect everything using the firmware and stuff?

[@hermontarmand2404]

Did you find it? the firmware and stuff

[@Joey_CapcomFightingNetwork]

Unfortunately without supporting ps4 this is a home only solution if you are a tournament player. I am confused at the portion regarding simplicity though, is this thing not just prepared for a 20 pin connector and maybe a singular down? Also, are the firmware updates required? Is it not just plug and play provided you have the 20 pin connecter and the correct USB cable?

[@mytechtoybox8405]

Firmware updates aren't required, but will get you new features and bugfixes. GP2040 is very active with development right now (primarily by me) and new most of the new feature are around easier configuration and supporting new hardware/peripherals.

[@Joey_CapcomFightingNetwork]

@@mytechtoybox8405 So if I am a PC player who just wants a stick to work with no lights, this is the factual best solution. I am assuming that grounding issue was a one-off that Mr. S had, no? In that case this is the best performing PCB on the market. Maybe I am getting that wrong.

[@mytechtoybox8405]

@@Joey_CapcomFightingNetwork The grounding issue has been resolved on all Pico Fighting Boards currently being shipped. I don't necessarily advertise it as the fastest, but it's definitely faster than anything commercially available right now.

[@Joey_CapcomFightingNetwork]

@@mytechtoybox8405 Pretty dope, I wish you the best of luck and I am purchasing one as well. Thanks for your time.

[@KetsubanSolo]

I've come from the future to report that the devs of GP2040-CE (this firmware's successor project) have confirmed PS4 AND PS5 compatibility through passthrough authentication! Basically it will allow you to play a Mayflash PS4 MagicBoots or a Brook Wingman FGC directly into the board. The main advantage being since those dongles only handle verification, they don't add the input latency that they normally do. Yes this works for a Raspberry Pi Pico without a breakout board, although you will need a female USB connector soldered to the V5 + Ground pins, and then two sequential pins on the board (so if you aren't using R3 and L3, for example, you can remove that functionality to add PS4+PS5 compatibility)

[@itchyisvegeta]

Will it work with Retropie? Or should I go with a Brook Pi board instead. The Zero Delay boards i got for my Street Fighter cabinet running off a Pi 3 has horrendous input lag.

[@linuxlover_8436]

Ok, so if have a Final Fight A1up and haven't modded it yet, adding extra buttons, swapping the sticks and adding 2 of these encoders will give me a much better experience for SFV online? I'm looking at the magstick + so can also play 4 way games. I got close to gold rating but the game's poor netcode and my cpu not being the greatest (FX-6300) I suspect are major roadblocks when I lose to people b/c the game doesn't properly register my inputs. I have gigabit ethernet plan hardwired but I suspect the game gives priority to weaker connection player sometimes. I also only play connection 4-5 to minimize issues. I wish they would use parsec as I'm sure that would be better. Using nvme ssd via pcie which found a guide to do but wasn't easy to find. edit: my gpu is 8GB RX 570 and DDR3-1600 32GB. cpu utilization shows game uses no more than ~48% so I think capcom is more to blame as the game should run smoothly and not hiccup as much as it does. I only play at 60hz (1600x900 monitor; 1920x1080 32" LCD tv or 1368x768 native for same tv)--no resolution matters, same problems occur

[@leonilsoneduardo5830]

Link to purchase ????

[@chrischand5082]

Does it work on a ps4 or on sfv on a ps5?

[@tiagosantos286]

Hello, I liked this pcb and I would like to buy one, I am from Brazil and I wanted to know if it is possible to send it to my house?

[@flipcoin6301]

With a custom PCB and a little coding, add shift registers for additional buttons. Wire the buttons that don't need low latency(for example: select/start) to the shift register. Add macro buttons directly to the Pico pins for super fast combo presses or turbo. You can also overclock the Pico cpu (add heatsink for reliability).

[@drallersouldust3054]

they should put an auto switch up and down like for xinput ,nintendo, ps3 etc

[@lazyboy1042]

quick question.... what gauge or mm wire should I used ???

[@axMf3qTI]

Weird that the zero pi isn't a pi while the pi zero and the Pico fighting boardb are.

[@AvengerII]

It's marketing. Brook is trying to appeal to the guys who only want to spend $10 or less. I have a Zero Delay encoder PCB. I can attest to the fact that it's a piece of crap! Not even a dedicated Home button which means you STILL have to use a DS3 shock pad or other licensed PS3 controller. The bare minimum to spend for something that performs better and is pre-assembled is $25. That's going to be the Zero Pi (Brook) or Integrated Pico Fighting Board (Jasen's Customs). The one thing the Brook PCB (Zero Pi) might do better than the Pico FB is PS3 support since it's based on a higher-end PCB (that I'm sure was reverse-engineered from an officially-licensed PCB just like the Cthulu PCB was). I can confirm the Pico Fighting Board doesn't work with Super Street Fighter II HD Remix on PS3. You can't even get past the Main Menu on the start page because NONE of the PUNCH or KICK buttons work!!! You have to use "X" button to make menu choice and if it's disabled, you're STUCK and can only get out of the game with HOME button. HOME button, START, and UP/DOWN stick inputs still work but everything is disabled until you try to exit with HOME button. When you boot into "Quit" mode, the disabled buttons and directional inputs work again BUT if you go back into Game mode, all those buttons and directional inputs are disabled again! The issue pops up even if you get into the game in 2-player mode. The Player 2 (Pico-joystick) STILL has the button and directional input issues. And the only operational directions are up UP and DOWN! The Pico FB is useless in SSF2T HD Remix. At least on the PS3 version.... My joysticks running with PS3/PS4+ PCBs and MC Cthulu (which is reverse-engineered from the Hori HRAP3 PCB) have no issues with SSF2 HD Remix or any other PS3 game I've used them with. Pico FB has worked with most PS3 games BUT SSf2 HD Remix which is a game I like to play a lot. Thank goodness I have other still-compatible joysticks to use to play that game! Don't get me wrong -- the Pico Fighting Board is nice when it works but it's unlicensed and programmed by hobbyists. This is not their first passion. Hobbyists develop most of the emulators and there are still old consoles (Sega Saturn, Sega Genesis) that have issues with emulation to this day. Frankly, I am puzzled as to why the Pico FB is having issues with the one game. It's worked with every PC emulator I have and the other PS3 games I've tested it with. I'm thinking the Pico developers missed something that didn't escape the guys who developed the Brook and Cthulu PCBs...

[@ZZKJ396]

Would be great if it supported the Bluttooth module as an option.

[@houssam-the-explorer]

if you want a ps4 pçb soldered, i çan send you one from morroçço for 150 dollars

[@joua_sh]

Does is support ps4 on usb

[@dorshem-tov2470]

it doesnt exist anymore so no lol

[@justinteasley7823]

I had a couple of questions if you are not able to answer them that's fine. I have not actually done my research also I can understand if an answer is already in a repo or redit post and you yell at me to check there. 1) The board is essentially a Raspberry Pi, is it possible to flash a standard zero with this same firmware as the Pico Fighting board? (I'm curious about building a LP leverless asc) 2) Is this board compatible with the Brooks PS5 dongle? (I'd like the option of going to a mate's house with only a modern console and using my asc)

[@MrSujano]

1 - I believe so, but you'd have to do some manual configuration and soldering required. 2 - not that I know of

[@Dexrazor]

This is unrelated to the video but I have a question about retroarch netplay. Does DS netplay support games like Dragon Quest 9? Or is it only local co-op netplay?

[@CUTWEST707]

This is AMAZING!

[@253silent]

I ordered two from that website and I never got them. Can't even contact them. Has anybody else ordered from this website?

[@MrSujano]

It looks like things are on a temporary hiatus. I am not entirely sure as to what is going on behind the scenes

[@253silent]

@@MrSujano That’s crazy I got a tracking number from them but USPS said it seems that they never dropped off a package to ship. They took my money and provided me a useless tracking number. This is fishy I feel like I got ripped off.

[@MrSujano]

@@253silent If you take a look at the website, it says they are temporarily closed, and all orders placed in the last month will be refunded - so hopefully that info helps

[@253silent]

Wow I checked that website about a week ago and I didn’t see this message. Hopefully I get my refund thank you for letting me know.

[@MrSujano]

@@253silent no worries!

[@tiagosantos286]

Ola,gostei desse pcb e gostaria de comprar um sou do Brasil e queria saber se e possivel o envio para minha casa?

[@jrrobson1357]

A 2nd impact faz os controles de entrada deles com uma pico e eu imagino que tenha como comprar ela separada

[@john005_]

is this still selling :)

[@letsjapanYT]

Hey great video. I got a pico and flashed the right gp2040 uf2 onto it, but after reconnecting to the pc, nothing happens. Not even the sound windows usually makes, when you connect anything. Do you have some advice maybe?

[@linuxlover_8436]

did you reach out to the devs? I was thinking of getting one of these, but wanna get an idea on support or possible issues as this will be my first byoac parts to mod an A1up. Thanks in any event

[@vdfritzz]

if i just get a pi pico, will their firmware work? 25 U$ is a bit steep for me, i don't really need the extra board soldered to it if it's just for the quick connectors

[@MrSujano]

I believe so, but it might be a bit more work to get everything set up. The OSFRD also uses the PICO.

[@kareeeeem_]

Yea, that's what I did.

[@vdfritzz]

@@kareeeeem_ even the web setup? i can get a pico for 1/6 the price of this board over here

[@BAD361]

@@kareeeeem_ is there a proper pinout to wire with just a pico board? i mean, 25$ is fine, but i'd be glad for a challenge to make everything work for 5$ haha, but i need a proper pinout for buttons

[@vdfritzz]

@@BAD361 it's easy to make the pinout, i didn't find it online but i figured it out, except analogs GP0 = LEFT GP1 = UP GP2 = DOWN GP3 = RIGHT GP4 = HOME GP5 = SELECT GP6 = START GP7 = X GP8 = Y GP9 = R1 GP10 = L1 GP11 = A GP12 = B GP13 = L2 GP14 = R2 GP21 = L3 GP22 = R3 L2 is -Z axis and R2 is +Z axis| there are a few grounds on the board, i used the one between gp14 and gp13, the other ones should work but i didn't try yes, single ground for everything, i love this this is for x-input* i'll put it in an arcade stick, so i'll be using the analog dpad emulation when needed (holding start+select+down for dpad, start+select+left for left analog stick) also holding A (xbox) when plugging it in will boot it in nintendo switch mode, holding B (xbox) will boot into x-input mode

[@FranktheTank319]

If this has the possibility of gaining new system support, then this is a really compelling product. But as of right now, I don't really see much of an upside over the Zero Pi.

[@JohnTurney]

The bare board is 4$, you don't need the breakout.

[@DemonicaFGC]

Sad it doesn't work on PS4 and PS5 currently

[@Batixxx]

However, most major fighting games on PS4 does have "Legacy controller support" (Lab zero driver) - Tekken, MK,SF, Skullgirls to list a few, they all support this board on PS4 / PS5. Also, it appears that brooks PS3-->PS4 Super converter, somehow magically makes this work on PS5 .... (it also does make it work on PS4 obviously :) ) - however, these converters introduce some lag. The impact of this lag is smaller than anywhere else, because Pico is so damn fast!

[@LeftyPem]

As of Aug 2022, the Pico FB site is dead.

[@Mrblackgoldfish]

I wonder if it work with Brook's PS5 pcb upgrade part?

[@warrenchue6708]

anybody test these with PS5 was looking for documentation around it

[@phillysupra]

update for everyone: its 4.22.22 and the store is temp closed. if you order anything it will be automatically refunded. i was about to buy one until i saw this. maybe the store will be back up at some point.

[@phillysupra]

@@linuxlover_8436 thanks I just looked now.. It says out of stock and backordered.

[@linuxlover_8436]

@@phillysupra ok sorry, I didn't try its dropdown option...I will retract my message then. I'm surprised the general warning is no longer showing during page loads as he previously had it.

[@AshWilliams-v3e]

Then it can play CSP3

[@MrSujano]

Yep

[@MikeleKonstantyFiedorowiczIV]

usb A is best and most solid

[@yungtiger419]

it is unclear if this works with the ps4

[@TheAverageTourist]

Like 300!

[@lovemadeinjapan]

I wonder how a Ultimarc iPac and a plain Arduino Leonardo would do. Usually this Pico has tons of overhead with a RTOS and Python runtime. This post mosty proves how much garbage is out there and how bad Bluetooth is.

[@JohnTurney]

I am a cheapskate so I just use the bare pico.

[@GFClocked]

Not sure 0.2ms change is outside margin of error. Also most tvs have 13-40++ms delay even in gaming mode, so hardly a game changer. The only way to get any benefits is from display technologies and fighting games start moving away from 60fps. You can still code the animations and other stuff to 60fps while having engine 120hz output and 120hz input (or even 1000hz polling rate for that matter). Compatibility is a joke too, it's just USB. If sony and ms wanted - everything would be compatible, but where's profit in that?

[@mytechtoybox8405]

PFB and GP2040 dev here. The input latency difference is measurable and repeatable, but I agree it's a marginal difference in real world performance. The PFB does have a better maximum repsonse time than the Brook UFB (~1.3 ms to 3.8 ms), meaning the input is slightly less likely to skip a frame on the PFB.

[@Shrapnel_Warning]

The guy making this board went AWOL. Do not order from him. I had to charge back with my bank.

[@linuxlover_8436]

did you order another encoder by another brand? Or did you try to get a pi 0 and solder it yourself? I don't solder so I'd need to get another encoder

[@Shrapnel_Warning]

I said screw it and ordered a brooks board. It went into an obscure rhythm game controller I was building so I just needed whatever with low latency.

[@linuxlover_8436]

@@Shrapnel_Warning ok thanks. hope it worked out for you. I'll probably go the cheaper route since it'll be my first mod and then maybe get something faster like your brooks once I'm more experienced modding

[@roninstormYT]

How come these cheap boards are never comparable with Xbox come onnnn😢

[@欧零零]

need wireless

[@helgenx]

"If these lag numbers are true" Yet says it's the fastest board on the market.

[@hydra4370]

i dont use a pcb because electricity and finger latency is slow, instead my inputs are preprogrammed into the game itself and are played back against the opponent (faster than real time)