The Pinkertons - Red Dead Redemption 2

[@truthseekerdude]

Fun fact: While the Pinkertons DID sue Rockstar for their portrayal of their agency as sadistic villains, they ultimately dropped the suit as it was determined there was not a significant difference from their real historical actions that would constitute slander.

[@Toast4128]

What did they expect from the game told from the perspective of outlaws? And Milton is shown as an honorable man

[@breakerdawn8429]

I'd argue they made them actually look cool for once. In reality the Pinkerton were a bunch of mercenary for hire bull who would shoot union workers

[@carbonrobin]

I feel like Milton was done well He seemed reasonable they weren’t as bad as they think it’s only Ross

[@coltonwhite2518]

The Pinkerton's were dope af in the game, compared o how shitty they were irl. Me and my friend's still rp as them in online from time to time lol idk what they expected coming from a company that makes games where you can have huge gunfights with the police and national guard.

[@omegawilliam95s36]

I'm guessing they just forgot about Booker Dewitt from Bioshock infinite.

[@brandonaumiller3997]

Also, in case anyone was wondering, one dollar in 1899 is worth $36.25 today, meaning that Dutch’s total take from the ferry is $5,437,500 in today’s money. To put it in perspective, that’s almost enough to buy one whole car in GTA Online🤡

[@ooooothatsshit158]

Where did you get those numbers from? 36.25 would be $1,335.10 in 2023. (This is wrong info)

[@VanguardDeezNutz]

Inflation is a bitch

[@Idontknow-et8oq]

@@ooooothatsshit158he’s saying the one dollar is worth 36$

[@ooooothatsshit158]

@@Idontknow-et8oq man im too tired i read that very wrong

[@devinmes1868]

Lol that puts it into perspective 😂

[@terminallumbago6465]

The irony of Colm having this master plan of luring Dutch to rescue Arthur and Dutch not even realizing Arthur had been captured.

[@Bruno-by8pb]

Probably because Arthur normally leaves for weeks just to return to camp with thousands of dollars and a dead deer on his shoulder.

[@Uncle_the_one_shot_kid]

​@@Bruno-by8pbfair point

[@folktriggels3543]

​@@Bruno-by8pbdon't forget a new color gun and haircut

[@revilno]

@@folktriggels3543and new clothing and a new horse and buffer and fatter/slimmer

[@tomsheppard378]

Colm wasn't the sharpest knife in the draw😅

[@sonofokes]

Funny enough about Allan Pinkerton, my teacher in 8th grade was his direct descendant. He was my history teacher and even shared the same name as him. He was probably one of my most favorite teachers too.

[@REBOOTGAMING492]

2 teacher's was related to horrible evil evil war soldier's john f reynolds commited several homicides and then the other one the leader general who surrendered, your lucky that your teachers ancestor's weren't evil

[@lindboknifeandtool]

History teachers are always the best. Probably such a fun job being able to tell history to kids. Especially if you live history

[@Kairac112]

@@REBOOTGAMING492 Sins of the father are not passed on the son. Heritage doesn't own you.

[@NigerianCrusader]

HOLY CRAP NOW VOTE TRUMP

[@NigerianCrusader]

@@REBOOTGAMING492VOTE TRUMP PLEASE

[@cydude5856]

I feel like Milton is run down by the events of the game by the time Chapter 4 ends. He tries negotiating and cutting deals with other mercenary groups before, but when he sees that Dutch has such a strong hold on the people in his gang he gives up and just starts throwing all he can at them.

[@Matt_History]

It's almost like he wanted originally to avoid conflict. And only changed strategies when he learned bloodshed was unavoidable.

[@twistedyogert]

​@@Matt_History Isn't that normally how law enforcement should act?

[@demonslayer5122]

​@@twistedyogertYeah. But the Pinkerton Detective Agency wasn't so much a law enforcement group, as much as it was more of a Private Security Company.

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@twistedyogertthe Pinkertons weren’t Law Enforcement, they were private security, the only reason they are associated with Law Enforcement is because during the Civil War they had a contract with the government

[@XtraOrdinar-y]

@@Matt_HistoryNo not at all, he never cared about avoiding bloodshed

[@Demonsouls1993]

the fact they tried to sue rockstar is piss ass funny

[@Michael15_25]

It kind of adds to their villainous lore 😂

[@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty]

All the lawsuit did was prove Rockstar right.

[@bosunbill9059]

Also in 2023, they were hired as literally muscle by Wizard of the Coast to threathen and rob a Magic the Gathering KZbinr, made his wife cry, just because Wizard themselves accidentally mailed him the wrong pack of cards, resulting in the youtuber accidentally leaking the pack...which was meant to release in a week nevertheless. So even after two centuries, they still act like a Milton and a Ross.

[@nogoodhandlesavailable]

Strike breaking isn't villainy

[@raptorfromthe6ix833]

@@nogoodhandlesavailable its a little scummy but is fucked up if people end up losing their lives

[@Pr0digyZRX]

The Pinkertons are definitely a gang... they just have badges. So doing it as a gang video fits quite nicely

[@SxVaNm345]

Gangs with badges are just top tier gangs, as in more mighty than non badged gangs.

[@LewisB3217]

So like cops

[@workemail6283]

​@@LewisB3217exactly and why the feds have to police the yt trash state police but then again the feds prove to be just as much trash

[@whereistheserotonin]

so cops😭

[@Barcodez5555]

People seem to think that they are anything but monkeys that still roam the earth in tribes.... some tribes are simply more organized than others....

[@oldschoolfrp2326]

I had forgotten it was Ross who taunted Arthur & Jack about “enjoy the fishing” - it is a great bit of foreshadowing/call back to RDR1. Today if anyone hears about the Pinkerton agency it’s usually in the context of corporate loss-prevention, like hiring and placing undercover employees. Their image probably hasn’t been helped by so many people thinking they are the guys who tried to kill Arthur.

[@bhart3321]

They're also one of if not the largest & oldest private security firms in the country. Still little more than hired thugs for corpos. They're basically Max Tac or Militech from Cyberpunk.

[@Samm815]

I know them as the people who killed John.

[@JackycakesV2]

@@Samm815they didn’t kill John tho, that was the 1911 version of the FBI

[@robert23456789]

Well they would of been the ones going after the gang back in the day

[@y0ungspanish318]

Don’t care pinkertons will always be bad

[@themisfitbrigade]

When Milton says “It’s Pinkerton time!” Right before absolutely obliterating the gang was amazing, 10/10 the best twist in gaming.

[@Starlit_Juno]

I can't believe Milton is a weezer fan

[@Evilycwa]

When does he shout it's pinkerton time?

[@DeclanVH]

@@Evilycwa During the mission Fleeting Joy, but it's very hard to hear

[@coomerson69]

@@DeclanVH actually you can hear Milton mumble that famous line as well when they approach jack and Arthur while they fish.

[@alexandru5741]

“Emmm he’s right behind me, isn’t he..?” -Arthur Morgan

[@_JOMOMA]

I do have to agree with Agent Milton on his view of Dutch. He even allowed the gang a chance to disband and live normal lives if they would just leave Dutch. Whether that deal would have been held up by his cohorts would have to be seen later, but we can’t deny he tried to give them a chance.

[@cliffjumper416]

I'm a firm believer that he would've let the gang live as civilized people and prevented his cohorts from going after them, unless they caused massive chaos. I truly think that Milton just wanted Dutch and Ross wanted to see all of them dead or arrested, the true madman of The Pinkertons

[@youngnat]

@@cliffjumper416I believe so too, I think Milton is deceitful but not a liar a kind of contradiction.

[@JackycakesV2]

He took it too far after the Saint Denis robbery.

[@baza0383]

​@@JackycakesV2He took it too far? Or did the gang maybe test his patience a tad bit too much?

[@JackycakesV2]

@@baza0383 HE SHOT A GATLING GUN dude

[@JammyGit]

It's funny that a simple quote from John can be actually quite loaded and thought provoking. When John says to Milton's enquiry about his name, and says 'Rip Van Winkle'......Rip Van Winkle is a story about a guy who meets a mysterious Dutchman who gives Rip some beer as payment for helping the Dutchman with some work. Rip drinks so much beer that he fell asleep for 20 years. There's the thing about sleeping for 20 years, whereas the Pinkertons slogan was 'We Never Sleep.' Then you've got Rip who meets the mysterious Dutchman, the same as John. The amount of thought that went into just a short sentence is incredible, and is one of the many reasons why Red Dead 2 is the best game ever made 🤠👍

[@StitchPen]

Bravo, Vince!

[@lars7747]

It's a different way of saying "I met Dutch and lost 20 years of my life"

[@guywithphone9222]

​@@StitchPenthat's when John became Winkleberg

[@gplgs4640]

I think John just thought Rip Van Winkle would be a funny alias to tell Milton

[@yungbimmer6398]

what seems funny to me is that even tho the violent criminal John knew about the story of Rip van Winkle, Milton did not catch the joke and seemed to believe it was his actual name

[@SleepyKwee]

I've always really appreciated the voice acting for the Pinkterton detective, especially when John gave him a false name upon their first meeting and he just follows up with "Huh..." before continuing on with what he was gonna say, like a subtle 'I don't believe you but whatever' 😂😂 I gotta respect the drip.

[@UniquerHandle]

It was "Good day, sir" I think.

[@clayleone9111]

I love the scene where Arthur makes love to Mr. Pinkerton, really brought chapter 7 together

[@xanderxyt8189]

That's what I'm saying

[@noobguy57]

John Pinkerton

[@davidgodfrey9780]

My favorite part of the game was when Arthur looked at Ducth and said "It's red deading time!"

[@BlondieYouTube]

It was the only cutscene we were unable to skip too.

[@delbertdoppler]

Bruh... for one split second, my brain just accepted this sentence and conjured images. Needless to say, I'm massively turned on.

[@Cheez_Doodlezz]

The Pinkertons seem like cool people i hope some gang wont quarrel with them

[@AspireC137]

That would be truly unfortunate

[@CarBleach]

@@ruska9773bc cornwall paid them to be on the van der linde gangs ass 😂

[@bhart3321]

Lol. Funny thing is they're actually not much better than the gangs they hunted. Even today, yes the Pinkertons are still in business, they're primarily just hired thugs for corpo trash.

[@sassyweber3982]

yeahhhh👀👀

[@sellout176]

@@ruska9773 they really didn’t, they gave them multiple chances to surrender peacefully

[@marcobott7243]

A very interesting detail I only just noticed -- Agent Milton only shoots Hosea after he turns back around and faces him. Shooting a man with his back turned to you was/is considered extremely dishonorable and underhanded; this is referenced in the duel between that old gunslinger and the old lawman. I always thought Milton was written to be irredeemably despicable, but he's consistently well-mannered and well-disciplined. Just more layers to the themes of the story.

[@greenknightofwar7024]

It could also be a way to legally clear himself. It doesn’t look good or hold up well in court when you shoot someone in the back. So waiting for him to turn was probably just a way for him to kill Hosea and not get criminalized for it.

[@tales-frontier]

So Could hosea just walk over inside the bank awkwardly

[@greenknightofwar7024]

@@tales-frontier no, I think that Milton would of shot him regardless. He has two outs, one Hosea turns around and it clears him. Or Hosea walks closer to the bank and kills him for aiding in an armed robbery.

[@DjunisBRE]

i don't think that was a problem during old west days, most of those criminals were wanted dead or alive so it wouldn't matter how they died@@greenknightofwar7024

[@dirtyshinobii]

@@greenknightofwar7024 They're outlaws. It wouldn't have ever gone to a court because outlaws weren't treated as members of society

[@danielparker8189]

Always thought it was odd that rockstar creates fictional parodies of cities, states, people, and government agencies but didn’t parody Pinkertons. They even fictionalized the FBI and CIA in gta as FIB and IAA

[@Fizhy]

Yeah it was a peculiar choice

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

For a good while FBI and CIA where actually in the 3d universe (not counting the crappy remasters that changed them to the HD universe verisons) Only in the HD universe did they start that naming. Strange....

[@86canario95]

En el RDR1 están el Boreau creo que es una representación del FBI, Edgar Ross pertenece a esta agencia en el trascurso del RDR1.

[@RedClem]

CIA and FBI are powerful presently The Pinkertons however are impertinent

[@lightdarksoul2097]

As said in the 3d universe they were using actual names like FBI and CIA but changed later. Red Dead one used Pinkertons already and with Ross there they had no choice but to keep the name since it tied to rdr1

[@Zeroshiki]

I looked into the Pinkertons _"suing"_ Rockstar, they can't sue you. They have no right to claim that they own history, which was Rockstar's arguement. They eventually just dropped the cease and desist when Rockstar sued them in response with that arguement. They had no grounds.

[@Aj_2044]

They technically did... until it was proven the actions were historically accurate. If they werent itd be slander.

[@Bronasaxon]

It’s hilariously petty that the Pinkertons tried to sue Rockstar.

[@luismarin3500]

For what?

[@Bronasaxon]

@@luismarin3500 no idea, it got mentioned in the video. Wouldn't surprises me if they did it just because they though the game made them the antagonists.

[@varlak9061]

@@Bronasaxon im pretty sure that is it exactly, and also funnily as some other comments say all the lawsuit did was prove rockstar right

[@enigma7310]

*Just to think that if Dutch and the gang didn't rob that train the pinkertons would had went after the O'Driscolls since the train heist was originally theirs...it would had taken down Dutch's competition and they could've laid low in Valentine without Cornwall coming after them and they could've robbed that Valentine bank and use that same money to buy a passage somewhere and retire from crime for good...or at least something close to that...*

[@joaqu7002]

No, Dutch wouldn’t have let that happen, he doesn’t actually want to stop being an outlaw

[@TheUnknown-og3zo]

@@joaqu7002 true because during the epilogue John ends up getting $20,000 from the Blackwater Heist money which is probably after he split it with Charles and Sadie, and however much he needed to pay off the bank loan. So it was probably even more than that which should have been more than enough to buy land and building supplies especially out west where there wasn’t much civilization where they originally wanted to go. My guess is Dutch wanted to seek glory in one last big score instead of letting Hosea and Arthur do their low risk job only, plus in Arthur’s journal he wrote that they had already looked at a plot of land to buy but Dutch backed out either because he thought the law was watching them or it didn’t meet his criteria. The gang could have probably settled down somewhere and lived quiet lives years earlier but Dutch would always need “one last score”

[@GamerMarine89]

Maybe a small island? Tahiti perhaps

[@danielclark739]

It's interesting looking back on the meeting Dutch had with the Pinkertons in the Leymoyne camp when he basically balked at the idea of saving the rest of the Van Der Linde gang by sacrificing himself. Especially when you consider his first speech in Coulter was claiming that he would trade places with the two dead characters if he could and doing so would save the gang from having to run. If the Pinkerton's were to be believed, this was his chance to and he turned it down, which is another example of Dutch really being in it for himself rather than for the good of the gang.

[@terminallumbago6465]

Really it seems like everything throughout the game is done for Dutch’s well-being rather than the gang’s.

[@buck342443]

I highly doubt that considering what happens to John at the end RDR1

[@72Kraken]

@@buck342443 That wasn't the Pinkertons though. Those were the actions of a government agency.

[@madara992]

you could argue that Milton at the time its more or less likely have made his mind plus if i was dutch its still so sketchy that two men walk into camp with a deal like that if dutch accepted that deal whats stopping milton to have his men ready near clemens point clearly the watch guards of the gang is gone too

[@MistahJay7]

Agent Ross most likely got all the information he needed about John from the Bank across the street lol him finding out about Micahs death was basically replacing Micah with John now to do their dirty work. He would have found him regardless

[@noamias4897]

That's my main gripe with the story. John decides that out of all places he has to with his family to somewhere 5 mins from where he partook in a MASSACRE. He could've stayed in the Yukon, gone to Europe, Australia or Asia and live his life forever there with no risk, but no

[@cheefqueef6494]

​@@noamias4897Abigail was the rat confirmed

[@Kira-xk2rf]

@@noamias4897Maybe he thought that after 8 years the pinkertons will calm down a bit since the gang was disbanded and the two lieutenants of the gang ( Arthur and Hosea) were officially dead. The only really stupid thing John did was using his real name , like WTF ? He was known by Ross at that point and he was a fugitive since he escaped a federal prison.

[@Itsfilthyy]

I find it hilarious agent Milton died thinking Johns name was Rip Van Winkle

[@potatoman1111]

He knew John was John, don't you think they found out who he was when they captured him?

[@Littlehairyratballs]

​@@potatoman1111that was ross who found out

[@potatoman1111]

@@Littlehairyratballs i meant in the bank robbery

[@Littlehairyratballs]

@@potatoman1111 yes

[@metaknight115]

They found out who he was when they captured him in the Saint Dennis Bank Robbery

[@Vucero]

Love me some Fizhy with my dinner. Thank you for another great video

[@crazygamer2540]

I have to go to school in 30 mins🥲

[@frenchmens]

facts man, he’s fr one of my go to’s

[@frenchmens]

@@crazygamer2540gotta go back tmr 😭 good luck friend

[@Jamess1899]

​@@frenchmensdawg I don't go back till September 15th when did you leave for summer??

[@frenchmens]

@@Jamess1899 college sucks a dick lol, left for summer in the last week of june. but i did have a summer semester tho, normally it would have been Mid may that i get out

[@Devinj2000]

I hope these Red Dead videos never end. I hope you keep finding interesting groups and aspects of this game to make these videos of.

[@Misfit710]

The Pinkerton Detective Agency actually existed as a predecessor to the FBI and still exist today as the Securitas security guard company.

[@OldWestGunslinger-vs9mx]

You're thinking of the BOI. The Pinkertons were never a law enforcement agency. They were always a privately owned company that worked as gun thugs for whomever would hire them.

[@ChibiPanda8888]

I think I remember my dad telling me this when he worked for Securitas. Still a cool piece of trivia.

[@Misfit710]

I had a few friends who worked for them and it seemed like something they really prided themselves on. Good reason.

[@MrXbow4300]

Agent Milton: “You’re a wanted man, mr Morgan. Five thousand dollars for your head alone.” My mind: “I got some jellybeans, you like jellybeans.”

[@Tickletipson0]

disliked this comment. never do that again!

[@garethmcguinness377]

Babe wake up, Fihzy just dropped another instant banger

[@sonnymp1337]

I am gei🥺

[@garethmcguinness377]

@@sonnymp1337 good for you homie 👍

[@bomberdomme7308]

I love that Rockstar won the case against Pinkerton. This company to call on historic level that law-enforcment company to be it self criminal and antidemocratic would to put it mildly. It was also more than once depicted in the Late-Western sub-genre, like in the great Sergio Corbucci-Movie ( the guy also behind the original Django-Movie) "Il grande silenzio" / "The Great Silence" is some what funny, because between both of the great Sergios of the Italo-Westerns, so him and Sergio Leone had some what of a competition how to approach a s social-critique comantary on bounty hunters, in both of their great western movies. So with the fishing scene from the point they had this horror-movie a like situation with Arthur and the boy & the Pinkertons they went to play 2 families ( grays and braithwaites) against each other to profit them self, just like Sergio Leones nameless antihero depicted by Clint Eastwood does, in a "A Fistful of Dollars" with the 2 gangs ( original Leone tooked that setting from Akira Kurrosawa´s Samurai Movie Yojimbo btw.). For me this was hilarious because basically "Il grande silencio by corbucci wich came after "A Fistful of Dollars" was by design a critique on Sergio Leone´s bounty hunter anti-heroes. So inside of RDR2 the dispute of both this Italian Filmakers lives on as a homage and some sort of a post modern quote of their Discourse.

[@bomberdomme7308]

To give one more anecdote on Western Film makers social commentary and their competition.... For a long time Sergio Leone admired american film maker Sam Peckinpah, who was beside John Ford one of the 2 big house hold names of the American Late-Western Sub genre... but Peckinpah ( so goes the story ) made a comment that rejected him and also had a somewhat dislike of Italian westerns in general. So that's why Sergio Leone friend Tony Tonino Valerii had a scene in the Movie "My Name is Nobody", on a graveyard, with a gravestone with the name "Sam Peckinpah" on it, on wich the "Nobody" called protagonist and typical antihero played by Terence Hill commented on: "Sam Peckinpah..." (stated some what ironic) "...now that's a beautiful Name"

[@copperypuddle3858]

Anyone else smell burnt toast?

[@bomberdomme7308]

@@copperypuddle3858 you wanna imply I'm having a stroke because you don't get the context? It's notorious for rockstar games and they are known for qouting with their games typical movies on the same topics... I mean to mention alone how many times Rockstar Games qouted in all the GTA Titles Michael Mann movies like most popular with 1995 "HEAT" and also his less popular 1981 "THIEF" ...and also the "Miami Vice" TV-Series within the story of "Vice City" would make a very very long list... but yet alone that rockstar got short before the death of Edgar Froese and his little Band-project called "Tangerine Dream" the favourites film music componist of Micheal Mann ( who composed the music of HEAT, THIEF and Miamy Vice btw. ;) ) to do all the non radio-station related music in GTA V shows they kind of very very notorious with their movie quotes in the content of their games... Or is it about the social political commentary ? you would be surprised how an american actors heroes like beloved Clint Eastwood worked with Directors wich had been former known members of the block free Italian communist party ;) while they filmed all these "spaghetti western" movies for the most times back then in at that time still "Titos" Yugoslavia ;) And its also surely not without any reason why popular spaghetti western film componist Ennio Morricone wich wrote Music for both Sergios is so deeply beloved by Quentin Tarantino, also wrote "Heres to you" on the Anarcho-Communists Sacco & Vanzetti.

[@DrClock-il8ij]

Call a bondulance

[@bomberdomme7308]

@@DrClock-il8ij cool one guy with only one video on each of his revealed troll-accounts with miraccoulus incident of just having just one uploaded video out from RDR tells to himself how "right he is..." I asume you also masturbate on pictures of yourself, while telling the whole time to your self how good in bed you are... go on harder! maybe you start to truly convince your self maybe at one day. 🤣

[@getthegoons]

Crazy to think nothing would have happened if Dutch hadn't posted a KZbin video with unreleased Magic: The Gathering cards in it.

[@kaydens6964]

50 men? Sounds like a decent warm up for Arthur.

[@DBProductions12345-m]

lol

[@jesseh.5223]

In a fight, right?

[@originzz]

@@jesseh.5223LENNY...!

[@laughingcoffin2907]

Not listening to Milton and sticking with Dutch is the worst decision the gang have ever made. All of them died because of their own foolish loyalty towards Dutch.

[@NikkolasKing]

Death before dishonor and working with pure evil like Milton. As John says in RDR1, Dutch was a far better man than the likes of Ross.

[@datdude119]

@@NikkolasKingHence why he said Milton and not Ross.

[@jesseh.5223]

You really think the Pinkertons would let them all go, keep their promises afterwards? 😂

[@marcwhitlock5002]

As a History nerd knowing who the Pinkertons actually were was a really nice touch on the game.

[@darkjosem13]

Seeing Keiran put out his gun too and ready to fight for Dutch breaks my heart. He really wanted to just have a place to belong...

[@PhillipCollins-n6x]

Thanks, buddy! I realize this is late in getting to you but you definitely deserve it. And more, I would think. Your breakdowns and thoughtful explanations are professional and better than everyone else on this beautiful, engaging, and rich story. Thank you, Fizhy.

[@Ghoulstille]

The great thing about the Pinkerton's in modern time is they have no police power so if they try to intimidate you, you can tell them where to go and how to get there. Even mall cops have more authority then they do. Their authority stops at the boundaries of property to whom they work for. Securitas thought keeping the name would intimidate but now it's just a joke. Hark I think I hear someone opening a pack og MAgic Cards before the release date! Sick the Pinkerton's on em! hahaha

[@omegawilliam95s36]

Tbf the word Pinkerton isn't even that intimidating, sounds like they deal with making pink stuff.

[@HarleyMM1328]

Will he heed this warning? Will he fuuu-

[@mrowley7300]

Milton's the kind of person who reminds the teacher they gave out homework

[@Petrico94]

Imagine suing a game for showing up in a game to stop crime, when they're better known for strike busting and intimidation against civilians

[@Ghostwrld99]

Just wanted to say fizhy your videos are appreciated in the rdr community thank you for making them

[@Tabby3456]

37:09 Agent Milton all high horse until Arthur uses his Dead-eye technique

[@Jedi_Spartan]

19:51 The thing I find annoying about that is that - instead of spawning somewhere on the map 'off screen' with immediate knowledge of where the player is - there are times where they fully teleport spawn in front or behind the player... also what's the point of that and the invisible sniper? It just limits the player's fun.

[@elliotsmith102]

So happy to see another long form lord video!

[@elirothstein1646]

You gotta finish your cigarette card series!! Definitely my favorite of your red dead vids

[@bassplayer2011ify]

The Pinkerton Detective Agency is far from the secret service. They are essentially mercenaries. Often hired as strikebreakers and railroad bulls amoung other things in their hayday. When they show up with the maximum machine gun that is lously based on the Ludlow massacre. In which the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company (sound familiar) brought in the Colorado National Guard and Pinkertons to break a coal miners' strike. 19 were killed 12 of them were children. And this is far from a rare occurrence in the Pinkerton's bloody history. P.S. Cornwall is basically a stand in for John D Rockefeller who owned the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company when this happened.

[@WaldoBagelTopper]

When this game came out, I was surprised to find out how many people didn't know that Pinkerton agents were real in real life. Shit, but the timeframe in the game (1899), the Pinkerton Detective agency was already 49 years old

[@selphconscious]

.. aww yes, the ppl alive at the height of this "pinkertons" thing AND also played this game are in high abundance lol 😂

[@WaldoBagelTopper]

@@selphconscious I know you’re being a smart ass. But 1) this was taught in elementary school. And 2) the Pinkerton agency is still in operation today. It never stopped.

[@blazergamer6425]

​@@WaldoBagelTopper What school did you go to that you needed to know about the Pinkertons?

[@SamButler22]

I would say it's worth pointing out that gamers may also be familiar with Pinkerton since it came to light earlier this year that Wizards of the Coast have hired them to go after KZbinrs

[@Fizhy]

I read something about that, what’s that about?

[@SamButler22]

@@Fizhy someone got hold of MTG expansion cards early, made a vid about them; and not longer after, there were Pinkerton at his door to retrieve the cards. Some Google results imply that it wasn't the first time something like that has happened, but I can't remember the details.

[@burninsherman1037]

​@@SamButler22pretty sure it was the pinkertons who Amazon hired to try intimidating unionizing workers, too. They're still just as massive scumbags as they've ever been.

[@CancerGaming56]

Tbh I’m not sure to what extent I could call Pinkertons villains of RDR2. Most I could fault them on is how brutal they are in Lakay when a child was present but aside from that, nothing they did against the Van Der Linde gang was anything the Van Der Linde gang didn’t do to someone else.

[@OldWestGunslinger-vs9mx]

Honestly, they were portrayed BETTER than they were in real life. Here, they were just going after an outlaw gang with quasi cultists quasi anarchist tendencies. In real life, they were shooting miners who wanted to unionize, not even really for great pay (maybe just fair pay) but just for safer working conditions and reasonable hours.

[@acat6145]

Their antagonists to the gang

[@LucienMahikai]

​@@acat6145Antagonists, sure, but they aren't villains. Well, Ross is, but Milton isn't

[@jhgfdsalk]

my favourite part of this game was when the CIA stormed Dutch's camp with MP5Ks, HK417s and Kevlar vests before nuking mexico and saying "that's one less loose end"

[@896Z]

Legit the best part of the game. Bravo Vince

[@Reefer-Rampage69]

Yes R* knocked that outta the park with the realism and historical accuracy

[@SeaguIISoup]

this is the moment where dutch became heisenberg

[@Bigchestboi]

Loved when that happened in chapter 95.912

[@pancake_bones2289]

I love watching all of your red dead content, it really is topnotch, I haven't even played the game once yet every video has me glued

[@ZeroPointsInCharisma]

I was a Pinkerton man for several years, you wouldn’t believe some of the clientele

[@JMR_2028]

Turn on a vpn and start spilling the beans

[@stc3145]

No

[@tyleraguilar2474]

When Milton strolled into the camp knowing and threatened them all that was such a power move. Instilling fear and doubt into all the members through fear.

[@noble9864]

Never trust a man in a bowler hat.

[@rubenhinze7695]

Its a good thing Agent Milton wears a hat most of the time because whenever he takes it off I can't help but burst out laughing at his attrocious mohawk.

[@Kaltagstar96]

On the subject of Milton: In the scene where he gave the gang a few days to get out and he wouldn't follow them if they gave him Dutch, if the gang DID turn over Dutch, would Milton have kept his word or would he have sent Pinkerton's after the gang after they handed over Dutch?

[@ninakh1672]

I'd say he'd have left them alone. His main goal was Dutch.

[@derpeth2101]

He literally machine gunned them.

[@SOUND_WAVE..]

@@derpeth2101 i mean he gave them a chance.

[@derpeth2101]

@@SOUND_WAVE.. No, he didn't. Regardless, it doesn't excuse murder.

[@SOUND_WAVE..]

@@derpeth2101 Did you even play the game, Milton gave the Van Der Linde gang a couple of chances to turn Dutch in and live normal lives, and Milton got fed up so he decided to just kill them instead.

[@bigtasty2767]

Can't believe Dutch used the words "you told on me?"

[@SoranotRoxas]

The Legend returns with the Red Dead lore 👍

[@flashstudiosguy]

I couldn't help but smirk when it was mentioned that the actual Pinkertons sued Rockstar for use of their image..

[@platinumacegt5307]

“The Wanderer returns!” Love the content as usual my dude!

[@sogmeister]

jack meets ross as a little kid when he’s fishing. then jack kills ross when ross is fishing. absolute cinema

[@KidarWolf]

Pittsburg, not Pittsbur, if you ask yinzers. Nice look into the history of the Pinkertons in this video, and I learned a lot from this. Thanks for the video Fizhy!

[@Fizhy]

My mistake.

[@KidarWolf]

@@Fizhy Easy mistake to make, being as the name does come from the Scottish influence in the city's foundation.

[@PanzerMan332]

Something I've never seen anyone mention: Agent Milton talks about "savagery" and "savages" with clear disgust, yet when his hat is shot off we see he has a mohawk, a native style of hair dressing.

[@walmartian422]

It wasn’t a mohawk though

[@Davionfrm804]

I’ve been waiting for videos like this keep up the good work man 💪🏾

[@broman7006]

I have been waiting for this vid for so long. And now that it is here I love it

[@miketrujillo3677]

I work for a security company subsidiary of the Pinkerton detective agency today, we work on carnival cruise ships haha

[@runicdiva]

So they’re still trying to catch Dutch going to Tahiti then? 😂

[@SqueakyMcSqueaks]

Did you work on the weezer cruise?,

[@miketrujillo3677]

@@SqueakyMcSqueaks no:( I am out of Galveston lol

[@SqueakyMcSqueaks]

@@miketrujillo3677 would've been ironic

[@damianxique4588]

"I'm not entirely sure where milton slings off to when Arthur Morgan starts blasting, one moment hes there, the next hes gone" Well maybe Mr. Milton is the strange man, teleportation powers and all ;)

[@TheRedBaron1917]

The tuberculosis of law enforcement

[@Pxx1o-1]

32:13 “Dutch appears to be losing his marbles.” yeah that’s one way of putting it.

[@13lueBomber]

#Fizhy You’re always crankin’ out the best informative and high quality videos when it comes to the Red Dead Redemption universe. The more runtime, the better! We all appreciate your dedication… thank you for that. You and #Filbee are the best out there when it comes to this franchise, no doubt about it. 👌🏼

[@alterego273]

37:34 one of the best moment of the game. That soundtrack gave me chills everytime.

[@d.hardenart8917]

Good video. I enjoyed this one a lot. t makes sense that you did it. You covered all the gangs, and in a sense this belongs. While a gang, they are an organized group that is up to no good in respect to our protagonists!

[@kenziem144]

Wowzers! Watching this will be spectacular! Thank you Fizhy 🎉!

[@Reyes-hz9pl]

RDR Fizhy videos are always top tier

[@justsomeweirdkid6090]

The saddest thing in Red dead redemption two other than Arthur’s death is agent Milton was just doing his job

[@its_classy]

I love that I've gotten back into a red dead mood and suddenl I've got my rd2 youtuber to watch making some rd2 content again, we love it.

[@arcticeagle342]

I believe you forgot to mention during Chapter 5: Guarma, that the leader of that army hunting down the rebels & Dutch & Co., Fussar, knew who they were & was apparently talking to the PNDA about the price on their heads, mentioned by the revolutionary leader fellow you meet there. If some random jungle revolutionary guy can find out who Dutch is, then he has got problems. I also think I remember at some point learning about something that went down with the PNDA & a coal mine union in Pennsylvania about a river boat with a machine gun & a lot of agents threatening the workers & maybe getting into a shootout with the pipe-wielding men. Don't quote me on that though.

[@ekish]

That Pinkerton fact blew my mind. They are today owned by a Swedish security firm called ”Securitas” which is super popular here (in Sweden).

[@adawg3032]

Fun fact is that the Pinkertons basically was absorbed by the FBI. Many people who were Pinkertons did get on with the FBI and many Pinkerton logistical methods are being used in the FBI to this day.

[@TheOnlyTaps]

Another legendary video ❤. I can never get sick of these lore videos

[@DogesBasement]

You can actually visit the Great Plains and escape from Pinkertons' sight, set a field camp, complete side missions where you need to collect something, hunt animals etc. It's easy to do if you're a bit above average shooter.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

It always bothered me that the gang never moves after Milton shows up so close to camp in chapter 2

[@dudewithachannel1163]

I didn't realize Agent Ross was the same guy that killed John in rdr1. That's a beautiful callback/foreshadow telling Jack to enjoy fishing while he still can

[@TheNinjaCoby]

Yes, another vid to dive into the masterpiece of RDR2.

[@bluenovacorgi8230]

This was amazing omfg ...the detail is awesome

[@lucabrazzi7112]

A sunny afternoon and another great video from Fizhy is all I needed today !

[@unicronneedsfood1446]

This game is so widespread every high school American history class will learn about the pinkerton detective agency, I know mine did.

[@IBRook]

50 min video on the Johnny’s, I’m here for it!!!

[@Tomatasu]

I love these videos. Something interesting to listen to while trying to fall asleep

[@PinkPanther69]

Let's go! I start replaying Fable 2 when you started making Fable content. Now I replay RDR2 and back with the lore, perfect timing! Cheers

[@leostrate4768]

Milton: Your kind venerate savagery! I prefer Society! Also Milton (to Lenny) : Get your hands off me boy!! Not making the best argument for "Civilization" isn't he?

[@MonsterYanis]

Thanks for doing that wonderful video about the Pinkertons i was about to play as a Pinkerton on an RP game and i got all the informations how these guys were. Thanks Fizhy

[@Walid_mufc]

this gave me a feeling that i need to restart the game for the 9th time lol amazing video as usual, big up bro

[@lattelad]

I ran here faster than I could, I've been waiting for a vid like this, much love mate.

[@firexxxwolf3033]

I’ll never forget the scene where Arthur comes to terms with his fear of sickness

[@dieselford9184]

I’m a union member, and I knew the history of the Pinkertons so playing RDR2 I took great pride in gunning them down 😂

[@mikedahuman]

28:21 Arthurs walk animation on Agent Miltons character is so weird looking lol

[@G0j1ra_]

Watching this at 2 am but eh i dont care about my own well being enough to go to sleep

[@Fizhy]

Get some kip mate, the video ain't going anywhere.

[@G0j1ra_]

@@Fizhy fair enough

[@dojamadeitttv1525]

agent milton was BIG steppin lmaoooo bro had no fear

[@MSantosMusic]

I just took a fat bong rip and ordered some pizza, im gonna enjoy this!

[@bule2714]

have this playing on my second monitor while I am playing destiny 2, love this

[@crypto40]

I love that you still make content on this game. shame they completely abandoned imo there greatest masterpiece. I always believed that Ross became crooked because of Milton’s death he never had another mentor properly show him how it’s done and just went along and his definition of justice became really cruel. Milton>ross