The Plane That Flew Too High | Mayday Air Disaster

[@jthavorn]

The scariest feeling I can imagine is knowing you’re about to die but have it be sudden and with little to no warning. Being old and dying on your death bed is one thing but for it to be sudden has to be frightening and heartbreaking. May everyone lost rest in peace.

[@Eludinium]

@@jthavorn if I were in this plane, I'd rather die suddenly than know about it long enough to realise I can't do anything at all.

[@leinster22]

Maybe the hereafter is better than this miserable world

[@timmusgrove8754]

Remember, death is like a thief in the night. Could happen anywhere

[@OMAR6575]

No radar?

[@Dovietail]

2 hours past schedule, overbooked, understaffed, poor weather, and after midnight??? NOPE. I'll catch a flight tomorrow morning, thanks!

[@AustinClark-g5n]

Ain’t that the truth

[@kovy689]

Don’t forget no proper radar or tracking.

[@AustinClark-g5n]

@@kovy689 true

[@DewYou-zn4ny]

Lol word!❤😂🎉

[@DewYou-zn4ny]

And staff,w criminals records 😮

[@rvx5818]

I think we need to talk about the fact that the flight crew weren't being paid enough and had to resort to getting second jobs... That on its own is kind of a red flag.

[@stellakowalski1]

I would think that that would be the norm now with inflation as high as it is. To stay competitive it seems like the individual airlines would have no choice. They are always cutting corners to reduce fares & eliminate any amenities that might push the cost up. No more free Beer Nuts etc - nowadays bring them from home if you want them.😢😅

[@BaronSaturday66]

I generally prefer that my pilot moonlights as a bartender and is not paid for 6 months.

[@PipingHotFire]

Yeah that sounds crazy to me, I couldn’t imagine not being paid for a even a month, nonetheless 6!?? Why even stay at that point?

[@wez123123123]

@@PipingHotFireprobably to log more flight time to get a better job

[@stacked7476]

I’ve seen the starting salaries of BA and Virgin Atlantic cabin crew. I couldn’t rent a storage room with this money. Particularly not in London. I assume they all have a second method of earning income.

[@jasonruetz2306]

Pilot-"The engines aren't responding!" Co-pilot-"Ok I'm gonna go use the restroom." 😑

[@leandro3825]

Not aren't responding, but "I can't accelerate."

[@wez123123123]

Yeah the FO was a total joke 😂

[@Benjamin-1776-]

@@wez123123123 A "total joke" who recognized they were stalling at least

[@adotintheshark4848]

if I knew the plane was in danger of crashing I'd have to use the restroom too

[@semicolon101]

@@adotintheshark4848 yeah you don’t know how far the nearest restroom will be in the afterlife.

[@edwardranno7119]

6 months without getting paid and they can’t afford fuel.it’s time to look for another job!

[@talesfromtheleashexpatdogl1426]

Past X

[@rvx5818]

FOR REAL!!

[@alex_zetsu]

I think the captain's bizarre behavior might be due to sleep deprivation since he was moonlighting another job.

[@vixen4327]

I know those 2 flight attendants that were left behind probably kissed the ground!!

[@spinkid2000]

They probably have horrible survivor's guilt.

[@LouisGedo]

👋

[@jlthomas531]

​@@spinkid2000 that's likely, but also would you consider them "survivors" per se?

[@superpotterfan7435]

I would consider them to be survivors. Out of pure chance they did not perish, but all of the people who were on the plane they were supposed to be on did. If you look up survivors guilt, some of the examples listed include Waylon Jennings giving up his seat on Buddy Holly’s ill fated plane and a Liverpool fan who gave his football ticket to a friend who went on to die at the match. Basically, you “survive” but feel guilty that someone else died. I don’t think you need to have physically been in the accident or scenario of death in order to feel responsible for it. (Although that is also a valid scenario)

[@spinkid2000]

@@superpotterfan7435 Thank You! You saved me the trouble of researching it myself because I felt pretty confident that it was certainly a possibility for them.

[@yamato6114]

Honestly it’s sad how often the first officer correctly identifies what they actually need to do, but the fear of punishment from their superiors keeps them from doing so.

[@hugolindum7728]

That’s why they are trained to speak up.

[@L33tSkE3t]

In modern pilot training, especially in western nations, pilots are now trained to speak up and ensure there is a consistent dialogue and consensus on the situation at hand and that one pilot isn’t making decisions alone and ensure that there is good resource management in the cockpit to prevent task overload for one singular pilot that they start acting without thinking or communicating and acting effectively. Aviate, Navigate, communicate is a fundamental principle in aviation that helps pilots correctly prioritize their actions in a stressful situation.

[@cremebrulee4759]

Three minutes is a long time to be terrified.

[@rebelruth9582]

Those flight attendants. Obviously wasn't their time.

[@Lurch-Bot]

Not in my experience.

[@davidrandall6199]

What I find most unbelievable is the total lack of airmanship displayed by the captain! No idea of airspeed, no idea of engine performance, clearly oblivious to what his instruments were telling him and if these serious mistakes weren’t enough then takes totally inappropriate action to recover from an imminent stall. Unbelievable!

[@wez123123123]

Yeah how he got his wings is beyond me

[@andrewnajarian5994]

@@wez123123123he probably found them in a fruit loops box. 😂

[@andrewnajarian5994]

Right?!?! How is the FO the only one to figure out they were in a stall? Wasn’t the violently shaking stick in his hands a pretty good clue?! I’ve never flown a plane and I found myself screaming “push the nose down” at the tv. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@tanan616]

To get out of a stall. Point the aircraft downwards. That will give airflow to the wings. Then level up. The captain kept the nose up. Not enough airflow to the engine turbines. But I understand. He wasn't properly trained. Sad

[@laneesha1000]

⁠@@tanan616 question do you point it all the way down like a dive then level off ..or just down enough to get air flow to wings..never flown a plane but I like watching these videos never knew planes were this interesting

[@carlramirez6339]

2:14 If you got dragged off this flight because it was overbooked, you would have been lucky.

[@kewlztertc5386]

If the captain thought the engines flamed out, why would he pull back on the stick? Stall or flameout, pulling back on the stick is the wrong move.

[@Matt.m6]

He was unfit to fly, Panama is dodgy in every area

[@cureforintroversion1262]

@@Matt.m6 it was a Colombian operator

[@Nishisaki405]

@@cureforintroversion1262 is that any better?

[@Lurch-Bot]

It is called panic and the main consequence of plenty of experience is complacency.

[@alex_zetsu]

Yeah that's what I never understood. I could see him looking at his EPR instrument and assuming they flamed out, I still don't get why he pulled up.

[@jonbonesmahomes7472]

Again pulling back on the stick? What is with that trend for the pilots to pull back on their sticks ? At least 5 accidents happened when the pilots did that.

[@nickywilliams8540]

Extremely tired & let panic set in.

[@jonbonesmahomes7472]

@@nickywilliams8540 yeah,such a tragedy

[@cremebrulee4759]

It does seem to be a frequent cause, and it is such a basic principle. Crew Resource Management is a factor here, too.

[@Peace-i7w]

Air france 447 Air Asia 8501 Colgan Air 3407

[@Maverick25ish]

I know right, I could undertstand them trying to pull back if they were a hundred feet off the ground and sheer panic, but pulling back on the stick at 29,000 feet all the way to the ground is just stupidity and lack of training

[@Ira88881]

I traveled to Caracas from NYC dozens of times in the 1980’s. Avensa and Viasa were the two Venezuelan carriers. One Viasa pilot couldn’t figure out why his planes would often handle improperly, and he used more fuel than he should have. One day, with the plane fully loaded, passengers aboard and ready to depart, he ordered everyone off the plane and a reweighing of the baggage. Baggage was twice as heavy as listed in his manifest/preflight info. Turns out the employees at the check-in counters were taking bribes and not charging passengers for their overweight luggage. Pilot reported it, and he was fired. This is how things work in Venezuela!

[@juliemanarin4127]

OMG!!

[@yamato6114]

Jesus Christ

[@Ira88881]

@@yamato6114 It’s basically the same thing as shown in this video: Through either corruption or incompetence, airlines from certain countries simply AREN’T safe. It’s not racism or xenophobia. It’s simply fact.

[@Nishisaki405]

@@Ira88881 why would you bring racisim into this? Why even mention it? Has anyone raised that topic? Holy cow now you made it weird.

[@gmargron]

Unfortunately in the aviation industry anywhere in the world, if you're going to be a whistleblower or report something unsafe with good intentions and of course legally as encouraged by airlines' protocols during training, be prepared to either suffer severe professional consequences or never work in the aviation field again. This reality is very sad and dangerous.

[@spinkid2000]

Was I the only one who was yelling "NOSE DOWN! POINT THE NOSE DOWN!" "GET OFF THE RADIO, PUT THE MAP AWAY, NOSE DOWN!"!!

[@jackiwheeler6963]

No you weren't 😂

[@lloydsumpter7735]

I'm not a pilot, but I was gobsmacked by the response of the pilots. Airspeed, artificial horizon, altimeter. Everything else is secondary.

[@KelleyLaBedz]

I was too. I’ve watched a lot of Mayday’s. 😉

[@juliemanarin4127]

Nope...I was yelling the same thing 😢

[@henrymcmiller2527]

@@lloydsumpter7735Would that include a cup of coffee. 😮

[@stellakowalski1]

Can you imagine? Those poor people!

[@fredrit323]

I lost count of how many aerodynamic stalls occurred in civil aviation where the pilots didn't do the right thing which is to push the nose down And if you think this accident was caused by a failing airline, untrained pilots in a 3rd world country ,think again, Air France flight 447 went down in almost similar circumstances, by pullin that dammed stick back during a stall...

[@aceofwaters]

they stalled and had improper readings from both sides due to icing, then complicated by the fact that both pilots were fighting the controls in an airbus that uses a computer to manage inputs.

[@davidmiller6593]

Training is a big part of that. Developing a sense of the energy state and how planes fly intiutively takes time and effort. The AF447 relief pilots went from flight school to flying fully automated jets with only a few dozen hours in a small plane where control is completely manual. Training was a factor in this tragedy too as an airline in financial distress did not place pilot training anywhere near the top of their budget concerns. Modern airmanship needs to include CRM and also upset recovery, what to do when the flight is in an abnormal state.

[@keithalderson100]

@@fredrit323 Also, it is possible that it was an updraught that initiated 447's stall as well.

[@andrewnajarian5994]

447 was a perfect example of why pilots should be trained how to fly rather than how to turn on the autopilot. Those clowns had no idea what they were doing, they were so reliant on the Airbus’ automation to get them where they were going. It was devastating to watch the Captain, I felt so bad for him. As soon as he scanned the cockpit and acclimated himself he knew what was wrong but the pilot flying still couldn’t comprehend it even as they plunged into the ocean.

[@Lurch-Bot]

It is so simple but most pilots end up dead the first time they encounter it.

[@ShadowCatGold2006]

Usually when I watch these, I don't have an idea what happened until later in the episode. This one was pretty obvious early on, even during the preview. When the crew radios that their engines were flamed out, you can actually hear the engines very loudly in the recording. And even though the recording is a reenactment, they usually seem to keep it true to form of the original CVR. So how can it be an engine flameout when you still hear them going? It was also clear from early on, almost from takeoff, that the first officer knew what he was doing way more than the captain did. At the end they were talking about how the first officer didn't speak up, but he did, imho. He told the captain to turn the anti-ice back on, he told the captain exactly what was happening as they fell, and the captain didn't listen to him. They'd likely have all lived if he listened to the pilot who knew better, even though he was younger. It's so sad thinking what all the people on that plane went through in those last 90 seconds.

[@Martinsn]

Not sure if you complain that they spoiled the ending or happy they gave you enough clues to get it right with your experience. But i think they are not commenting his action to speak up, but to take control when the Captain didnt do his job. He had a clear 1-2 minutes to take control and push nose down. A human brain under stress and confusion can cause inability to take in new information. So taking over was the only way to do when he didnt respond after getting told its a stall, which means, out the nose down and engines to max right now

[@alex_zetsu]

To be fair to the captain, he had 15 hours of sleep in 3 days since he was moonlighting another job (because the airline is behind on his pay) so he probably saw the EPR go down, decide his engines are failing, and then tune everything else, including his first officer out. There have been arrogant captains before, but this wasn't mentioned in the final report and his colleagues called him amicable. He probably was just sleep deprived. Also a mistake in this episode, the first officer didn't tell them to turn the anti-icing back on. In fact he said they weren't icing. And in fact, they were not icing at all because counterintuitively it was so cold and dry that ice could accumulate on ice, but it couldn't accumulate on a clean wing. the anti ice was turned on anyways.

[@whatever8282828]

Although in a MD-80 the engines as far away from the cockpit as can be

[@rebeccapaquette9203]

I’m not afraid of flying. I’m afraid of what happens when you suddenly STOP flying.

[@SupraRyu]

Ayuk ayuk ayuk

[@tedwalford7615]

Right. Falling doesn't hurt at all; it's just that sudden stop at the end.

[@Paulonius-j2e]

You have the sudden realization that you are not a bird and shouldn't be pretending to be one! 🙄😮

[@cureforintroversion1262]

I’m afraid of what happens when you let idiots fly

[@Lurch-Bot]

It isn't the fall that kills you, it is the sudden stop at the end.

[@Cars_and_adventures]

The similarities between this and Air France flight 447 is worrying.

[@JAlexBenham]

They're lucky 2 flight Attendants

[@DesertHomesteader]

I should be a pilot. After watching enough of these videos, even I know to push the nose down to gain speed and recover from a stall. When your nose is high, it increases drag and slows your speed. You definitely don't want to pull the nose up.

[@juliemanarin4127]

IKR?

[@hood_TheJoker]

2 flight attendants feel horrible and wonderful... poor air traffic controller picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue..

[@sargonofakkad860]

@@hood_TheJoker we know that quote from Qantas Flight of sullivan

[@stellakowalski1]

Lloyd Bridges in AIRPLANE

[@hood_TheJoker]

@@stellakowalski1 😚

[@SirBarth]

....and the wrong week to quit drinking.

[@wilcofaber9863]

@@stellakowalski1 ha ha I m familiar to that movie. And it s true in this situation

[@tomfuelery2905]

They should start teaching pilots to push the column forward to start stall recovery. ... Oh, wait....

[@talesfromtheleashexpatdogl1426]

😂😂😂 ya think omg ffs

[@samuelkundael3503]

In an emergency, it takes time for Spanish pilots to finish praying to all their patron saints and start reacting. I would rather fly Indian air. All they say is holy cow and react.

[@MikeGreenwood51]

@@samuelkundael3503 well if they were of the Catholic Apocalypyian faith then that may explain why they hit the ground. Matthew 10:34 34 'Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. 35 For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's enemies shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me'.

[@eviljesus6111]

​@@samuelkundael3503 LMAO

[@Yashika10111]

@@samuelkundael3503 being an Indian...this is the funniest and smatest comment I saw😂

[@anthonyalles1833]

Doesn't this sound a lot like Air France 447?

[@Rando_Shyte]

Yep. Inexplicably pulling the nose up for a long time... Like even I know that you put the nose down when you're stalling and im just some guy!

[@Schoenbaum_Paul]

This was very educational. I pound my daughter about situational awareness. She is not in airlines, she's my daughter and needs to be aware, EVERYWHERE Thanks

[@Matt.m6]

I pound my daughter… phrasing is huge in the English language.

[@lynnelorch4390]

What really bothers me about flying is what we, as passengers, don't know about the airline's financial situation, it's maintenance practices and the other aspects which can determine whether or not we get to our destination safely or whether or not we may be killed. It's really hard to put total trust in them. I choose to drive when I can. At least I feel more in charge of my own vehicle and my destiny

[@wokewokerman5280]

...in a stall, get the nose down...get some airspeed

[@jeschinstad]

Yes, but that is counter-intuitive; we're falling, so let's dive. It's the reason you have to train for things, so that when bad things happen, you don't revert to natural instincts, but your training.

[@Joe-g4c]

You forgot that you need high altitude also 🤣

[@cremebrulee4759]

​@@Joe-g4cin this case, they were at 33,000 ft., which is plenty of altitude.

[@spinkid2000]

@@cremebrulee4759 I'm not even a pilot, I've just seen enough episodes to know what to do. NOSE DOWN!

[@mrannonymous4822]

The human brain is a curious thing you could spend your entire career training for Such an event but if god forbid something actually happens all logic goes out the window

[@jermainesimmons2944]

American and Delta used to have MD-80s in the past before they've retired those jets. Although I wish they wouldn't!

[@xiayabennett6982]

I flew on a Delta MD-80 late 2019 before they retired it… I loved those planes!

[@juliemanarin4127]

​@@xiayabennett6982I have flown on them myself

[@TracyDavis-l5g]

@jermainesimmons2944 , yes, Alaska Airlines, used to fly the MD-80's, too. I wish that the, MD-80's, were still around too.

[@Lurch-Bot]

An MD-87 was the last commercial plane I worked on. I also have the external emergency tailcone jettison handle from an old Northwest DC9-80 (the model that evolved into the MD80 series) hanging on my wall. I got to pull it on an airframe that was being scrapped. It was actually rather anti-climactic. You pull the handle and the tailcone flops unceremoniously onto the tarmac, like so many pounds of Alclad. The funny thing about these videos is that my walk in closet has at least twice as much room as an MD80 series cockpit. I've done engine run-ups and taxied them. The coolest thing about these planes is that DB Cooper lowered the airstairs in flight and literally just took the stairs to jump from the plane he hijacked. The fact you could do this without losing control of the aircraft was pretty impressive.

[@chipsfreak5070]

You know it's time to leave the company when they can't even afford the freaking fuel for the flight 🤷‍♀It's devastating by itself for working folks to be treated like that, having their physical and mental ressources completely depleted. When I'm exhausted I can't even tell left from right, let alone manage any type of vehicle. So many mistakes are made when we're burnt out.

[@ntag411]

Yay, a unseen episode for me. Rather uncommon because of my addiction. 😮

[@anas-ee6qx]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@EbnterYourName]

Not an expert here, but when you get stick shaker at 31000 ft, rule of thump is to put the nose down to pick up speed, then pull up and level off the plane, you still have plenty of altitude.. Passenger planes with rear engines have their center of mass moved toward the back, that makes the plane tend to pitch up specially when overloaded.

[@aceofwaters]

has less to do with speed than the angle of attack of the relative air flowing over the wings. IMO the plane was already severly iced up when the capt asked for the deice to be turned off.... DUH, its -14 outside, we already have ice and were turning it off? Good luck with that.

[@pax6833]

@@aceofwaters It wasn't iced up. If it had been they would have stalled much sooner. There was only a light ice buildup when FO asked for deicing to be reengaged and the plane had a few minutes to get heat to the wings before the airspeed dropped.

[@aceofwaters]

@@pax6833 cool story bro

[@EbnterYourName]

@@aceofwaters- Pay attention, dude. at 26:37, you can watch the investigators saying that ice wasn't formed because the de-icing was on, rerouting part of the engine exhaust into the wings, causing the heavy plane to slow down. In this type of aircraft with engine mounted on the back, it has a tendency to pitch up specially;y when overloaded.

[@Matt.m6]

It’s pilot error due to exhaustion due to corporate greed

[@stephanieanderson2263]

I can't imagine what those people went through in the last moments of their lives which was 3 minutes. Mothers are holding their kids and making sure they are safe and trying to keep them calm as much as they could.

[@theoutdoorsman9726]

The amount of panic these captains faced had to have been paralyzing. In that stall from that altitude they had PLENTY of time to recover. All one of them had to do was push the nose over and gain some airspeed and immediately their problem is solved. But it’s never that simple when panic sets in and you start freaking out and thinking you’re about to die. So instead of easily recovering from this stall, they instead did the opposite of what they needed to do and thus quite literally fell from the sky like a leaf falling from a tree. Falling almost straight down belly first. It’s so sad because a lot of these accidents are caused by something the pilots might not be able to fix. Maybe a boot breaks in the elevator like in Alaska airlines flight that crashed into pacific or maybe hydraulics fail after some malfunction like the Sioux City accident in those cases the planes were basically unfliable but in this case it was such a simple fix and instead we have all these lives lost. So so sad

[@bobbobertson7568]

Yeah you got it all figured out, I am sure you got ice water running through your veins for sure.

[@Zyrek1]

I think all commercial pilots should have to watch an episode of Mayday every week as part of their training.

[@aceofwaters]

my dad has watched every episode ever multiple times, and has read and studied every major and non major commercial jet accident report in history.

[@Zyrek1]

@@aceofwaters He sounds like a great pilot, I'd feel safe flying with him.

[@aceofwaters]

@@Zyrek1 he just said 'we never filed anything above 410'

[@robertcavalier6133]

Your former Intl. Airport Limo Driver hopes all travelers survive wherever they go! * Cav *

[@EasyGoer-e3z]

Can Not Fathom The Level of Terror That Consumed The Passengers Mind and Body

[@rihamkarim3644]

can not fathom the way you type lol

[@EasyGoer-e3z]

@@rihamkarim3644 Lot of People are Jelly of How i Type =(

[@a.nobodys.nobody]

Thanks. Even if this is a repost. I appreciate it

[@AviationGuy-ButYoutube]

It isn't a repost

[@Terriblegam2r]

I’m not a pilot and even I know the stick shaking means that there’s an imminent stall that’s about to happen, yet the pilot thought the engines flamed out. What….

[@lloydsumpter7735]

The idea that if both engines fail the plane falls out of the sky is ludicrous.

[@Lurch-Bot]

How they let pilots fly airliners without ever having glider training is utterly baffling.

[@pradeep7479]

Agree. A plane will be able to glide even without both engines...

[@brett22bt]

A quick glance at the control panel should've alerted the captain to the plane's angle of attack. Even his co-pilot told him it was a stall. This is a freaking rookie error.

[@sebastianazocar2368]

My uncle said to me that one of his friends of college was among the victims.

[@jimtrack3786]

Very sorry for his loss.

[@julosx]

My mom used to know some kids who became orphans that very night.

[@juliemanarin4127]

😢

[@juliemanarin4127]

​@julosx how awful 😢❤

[@rjsledz]

So tragic 💔 God bless and give them eternal rest 💕

[@Logo800]

Didn’t see this, thanks!

[@h5mind373]

I worked in Venezuela in the mid-90s and one of our customers was Viasa. They had a flight simulator facility just outside Caracas. When they heard I was an aviation buff with some private pilot training, they invited me out to try their simulator. It was a full cockpit mounted on gimbals. Extremely cool. They had me take off, fly a pattern, and return for a landing- they even threw in some weather and cross wind to mess with me on the landing. I didn't crash, so that was good!

[@TheRealNatNat]

I'm getting worried at the amount of professional pilots who should know better but still reflexively pull up the nose during a stall.. It's deeply unsettling... This said, hearing that this poor captain had to work besides his main job, it explains a lot.

[@JosephRutherford-t9n]

I would never ever fly on a Venezuelan airline they have some of the worst records and their plane is not updated on maintenance and their pilots is not trained fully.

[@titan9259]

Not even Conviasa?

[@sebastianazocar2368]

As a Venezuelan, I flew in many airlines in the country and you’re right, most of them are in a bad condition, they use planes from the 80s or 90s, but one exception is Rutaca Airlines, right now is a safe and reliable airline to fly over Venezuela, this airline despite using 737-200 or 300 and MD-80, they are very clean, comfortable and well maintained.

[@emmettturner9452]

What do you mean “Venezuelan airline?” At 17:49 they laid it all out: “This was a Columbia operator that took off from Panama … overflying Venezuela.”

[@titan9259]

@@emmettturner9452 Colombian operator*

[@sebastianazocar2368]

@@emmettturner9452 that is out of the question, I know that West Caribbean was a Colombian airliner but the pilots of this airline were not prepared for this situation because West Caribbean’s pilots training was very poor and the airline didn’t pay many pilots and crew, among them was captain Ospina.

[@bermudabengal]

12:37 dam, thats a burnt foot hanging off the back of that truck!

[@JohnBernardon-py7wf]

Man you know you’re gonna die when the controller asks you how many people you have on board, especially when he calls them “souls “

[@lile1216]

Those 2 flight attendants are so lucky

[@uhadonejob]

I know air travel is safe but somehow you never hear about these crashes when they happen unless they are local.

[@beautifulstar2119]

Safe where?

[@uhadonejob]

@@beautifulstar2119 In the sky.

[@AmericanRussianAviation]

Rip

[@rudyjakma3664]

Flight level 330 should not have been too high for an MD92. Engine anti ice was off? This may be a clue. Halfway through the video, it will be revealed?

[@titan9259]

You can't fly high if you're too heavy, also the plane was an MD-82

[@mariauzcategui5347]

2:05 and 2:59, if you look closely, that's the cockpit of a Boeing 757 instead of the MD-82, the aircraft involved in this accident.

[@sunnyfon9065]

I assume they just filmed random aircraft for both scenes. But they using wrong cockpit interior in most episodes is worse.

[@rvx5818]

"Boy, I sure hope someone got fired for that blunder!" - The nerd kid from The Simpsons

[@spinkid2000]

I frequently give them a pass on those mistakes. Especially early on they used the same mock up aircraft cabin interior with 3 x 3 seating for planes that would be 2 x 3 or 2 x 2 or widebody.

[@Lurch-Bot]

It really isn't. These are filmed on movie sets, not in real aircraft. Even a 757 doesn't have that much space on the flight deck. While I have never flown a 757, I have taxied them.

[@beautifulstar2119]

I have a major fear of getting in a plane😢😢 i was supposed to get into one with my family for my husbands family reunion next weekend in New Jersey. I canceled on him. And im back to watching these plane disasters. I really need help!!

[@jiahazahar6607]

I watched a lot of mayday's video. But reading comments here teach me if engine stall, dip nose down to get the air thru the engine. Thanks everyone. New knowledge

[@mikska]

It’s mainly to maintain speed or to increase it, the engines may never come back , but Atleast you can safely glide the plane down and land it instead of dropping uncontrollably like a brick .

[@jiahazahar6607]

@@mikska wow that's still scary.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

It’s not an engine stall

[@mejia790]

I was looking for this episode for a while jeez

[@startupedition6874]

Look it’s the airplane from the season 13-17 intro 0:16

[@rocioaguilera3555]

I can't imagine the terror of those poor passengers and crew members before crashing on the ground. Rest in peace all of them.

[@JAYFULFILMZ]

I have never flown on an airplane in my life & videos like these don’t make it any better! A few years back I had business in Las Vegas & instead of flying I took the bus which took 2.5 days lol it was so crazy that I had to leave 2 days before my friends so I could meet them there & when I left they were already home while I still had 2 days left to get home lol I really wanna fly one day though ✈️

[@laneesha1000]

😫took my 1st one two years ago I was scared to death😭😭planes are much bigger in person to me..takeoff was the scariest part🙏🏾since then I’m more comfortable and have flown 3 more times I still get nervous and your right watching these video won’t help my next flight🤣

[@tomorrow4eva]

Brains can get confused that familiarity means safety. Even knowing flying is safer than driving, it can be hard to overcome the feeling that familiar driving is the safer choice. Just remember: almost every crash you see here makes your current flight safer!

[@Punnoosia]

As an American, I feel blessed and grateful to live in the birthplace of motor vehicles and aviation. The tropical airlines have absolutely horrifying practices. A 21-yr-old copilot, airline can't afford the fuel, can't afford to pay their pilots, and training is barely enough to keep planes in the air. When the autopilot turns off, and things get real, you're dead. It's the same pattern over and over. Imagine you are from a country where you have no choice but to use these airlines. Absolute nightmare. Thank you God/Universe that I was so lucky. Because most are not. Stay safe.

[@droflivelife]

America is not the birth place of either. You're brainwashed

[@titan9259]

The car was born in Germany

[@Pedjanbgd]

@@Punnoosia So, no air disasters in the US?? 🙄

[@MoonLight-zk3gm]

Uhh in case you don't know, the U.S. has had many air crash accidents with its sophisticated technology, high technology doesn't eliminate accidents

[@travisbryson6948]

I feel like the air traffic guy just added to the confusion.

[@Terrilliser2024OZ]

@@travisbryson6948 he didn't have radar with necessary data to provide him with appropriate information to be more helpful for the flight.

[@julosx]

It's more than likely the configuration of those DC-9s, MD 8x etc and other T-tailed aircrafts don't help in this situation because those airframes are prone to *deep stall* as the 2014 Air Algérie flight 5017 crash in the desert showed. Too much angle with the nose up, and not only the engines lack air to work properly, but also the wings mask aerodynamically the stabilizer which prevents the pilots from controlling the attitude of the aircraft. In this case the only maneuver that can save the flight is to increase bank angle on one side to drag the nose down.

[@uriituw]

What kind of idiot pilot pulls back on the control column during a stall?

[@robertsteinbach7325]

A tired and panicked pilot. The frontal cortex, with all the information needed to fix the problem, is shutoff and the fear part of the brain sees a bear to fight. That part of the brain is saying FIGHTFIGHTFIGHTDONTTHINKFIGHT!!! Our brains were evolved to live in the wild and fight monsters and strangers to the death. We are barely evolved to live in units with 100-120 people called villages. It's like running the most complex computer systems on top of MS-DOS and when our brain's system fails it reverts to its primitive programming.

[@carlramirez6339]

An exhausted one

[@rvx5818]

It has happened in several accidents, actually...

[@pax6833]

Meanwhile the FO just sits in his seat, watching the captain crash the plane. Does not shout to put the nose down, does not attempt to do so himself. Both pilots are incompetent.

[@juliemanarin4127]

A bad one

[@phatmouse7313]

A second job as a bartender? As a damn pilot?? 😮

[@juliemanarin4127]

Crazy isn't it?

[@anthonycaroselli834]

I know very little about flying, but I know from watching these videos that if the stick starts shaking you push the thing forward to gain air speed and keep from stalling.

[@Hendramail2000]

Good post

[@gwendolynbarry7415]

The two flight attendants who had to get off must be in shock. Sometimes it is just one circumstance that saves your life.

[@JohnBernardon-py7wf]

What about the one girl who stayed on Tenerife to be with her boyfriend?

[@Aftabhussain56g]

So beautiful investigator ❤❤

[@JohnBernardon-py7wf]

Not the real investigator but the actress playing her was beautiful. Very hot.

[@Terrilliser2024OZ]

Good looks don't mean much, it's how well she does her job.

[@Aftabhussain56g]

@Terrilliser2024OZ that's obviously incredible my friend

[@PatrickDuffy-u3s]

A story of incompetence - aviate, navigate, communicate. What can ATC do? The first officer was a wimp, he should have taken control and reacted to the stick shaker when he realized there was a stall.

[@juliemanarin4127]

Yes the FO should have taken over and saved the plane

[@kellymiller1693]

6 months no pay is insane

[@ignaciosanchez96]

Even I that play flight simulator on my iPhone know that you supposed to push the yoke down to correct a stall…. Come on my broda!!! 😮

[@fantasticg73]

It's obvious, the crash was the result of the captain working those bartending shifts. I think that bar should be investigated......that's where it all starts.

[@scottirvine121]

Rewatched this after mentour pilot upload yesterday, still think he has far more detail and far more comprehensive and tbh his assumptions and conclusions are more accurate IMO. Seems to be a difference on whether the passengers would be aware of and the business the captain worked in outwith aviation

[@AnthonySmith-777]

Politics... Often interferes with the efficiency of the systems of operations to it's detriment. Politics... Politics.

[@rvx5818]

Yep, happened with JAL123... It's believed there were survivors at first but because the Japanese govt refused help from foreigners, they ended up perishing too. 🤦‍♀

[@gabrielgaitan4856]

It’s so asinine

[@Nx2.1]

Well, that's one way of ceasing to exist on a temporary planet💔

[@omgwhatever]

Kinda scary to know that being a couple thousand feet off combined with a little diverted power and some pilot math and reported weights (by passengers) being the difference between flying ok and crashing.

[@rickmunro5332]

13:07 "One of the safest planes in the world" - What a joke. MD80 is a renamed DC10 flying coffin

[@wickedicon7]

-the stick shaker activates -co pilot yelling “it’s a stall” -captain doesn’t even push the nose down

[@BanalayerPete1972]

Just average turbulence is alarming. We all scan the attendants'/hostesses' faces for worry, don't we? That must've been terrifying. How do you reassure your kids in that catastrophic position? RiP to all.

[@antonfloor344]

How many times were co-captins right? So many times

[@swayamtube]

Push forward 😊

[@requiscatinpace7392]

Two hours late for the rest of the world is 4 hours early in the Caribbean 😊.

[@Mike-01234]

Reminds me of Air France didn't realize they were in a stall.

[@EM.1]

First rule of overbooked flight: you leave the passengers at the airport, say I’m sorry: here’s your luggage sleep on the floor. Passengers can fill complaints but complaints are ignored. Second rule: you keep the crew, if you leave part of the crew at the airport you have to pay to put your crew somewhere feed the crew, and then on the next flight you will have some seats that are for the crew so you can’t get money from selling the tickets for the seats used by the crew (crew=no income passengers). Third rule: you can’t seat passengers in seats reserved for crew members because those seats are all jumpseat seats and are not meant to be made for passengers use, only for crew members due to being located near the doors, cockpit etc. in addition to that if you have any kind of emergency, and need to coordinate the evacuation of the aircraft you miss the crew that knows how to manage the situation in the safest and fastest way possible.

[@axewieldingmilena]

10:17 was he making a joke?

[@johnmorgan3512]

At 4:04, homeboy talks about a heavy load...lol...

[@Nigel-ef2ft]

Aviate, navigate and then communicate. No point having any lengthy conversations over the radio when you've lost all control and are dropping out the sky.

[@milosmctricks]

I’m concerned that they have a lead plane crash investigator. Is it like, common? This is like giving an entire office in a library to damaged books 12:15

[@Matt.m6]

It’s so unnatural to push the nose down but damn it’s so important in certain circumstances.

[@Lurch-Bot]

Even to this day, there is a serious problem with airline pilots not being given sufficient unusual attitude recovery training. It takes a serious blind spot in training for a MD-82 to simply fall out of the sky. These pilots rode the stall right into the ground and never did apply proper recovery action. The whole issue of flying too high is irrelevant. They had 6 miles to recover from the stall.

[@originalinspecta]

So why didn't the captain try and recover from the stall....was he confused or maybe he had just panic...wow....

[@JoePesci-ww1dm]

Is it possible to nose dive a plane to regain cruising airspeed?

[@user-fr3hy9uh6y]

One of the first things that you learn as a pilot is that if you get a stall warning, you push the nose down. That is why the plane stalled and crashed. Even with the previous actions, a competent crew would have prevented the accident. Yes, even an incompetent crew might be able to fly in perfect conditions, but that is not an excuse.

[@aceofwaters]

Q: how do you stall at perfectly level flight at 31000? A: the relative air over the wing is comprised due to the already built up ice, disrupting the airflow. Q: why did that captain ask to turn off the de-ice? A. Hes more concerned with gain power from turning it off and climbing, than the fact its -14 outside with already likely built up ice. The engines were NOT flamed out. Power was reduced by the autothrottle or auto mach when the speed when up as the plane was gaining a bit of speed when descending. Either that OR they got the engines back going during the descent.

[@RSEFX]

"Rolled back" isn't a common term, to my knowledge, at least in the US. From the context in which it is used here, it seems it means something like the engine power was decreased or shut down.I also think pushing the yoke forward would have nosed the plane down---OR am I misunderstanding these things. Any clarification would be really appreciated. How did they know to only add about 7,000 pounds of weight to the overall weight of the plane? That's only three and a half tons. Seems this was a pretty conservative estimate for re-calculating the possible cause or not of the disaster. Very interesting, complex series of events/actions in a rapidly changing circumstances. Fascinating how the technicians and investigators pieced this together.

[@PearlCityBeats]

imagine being a pilot and not getting paid for SIX MONTHS. That alone is a recipe for disaster, but that's what you can expect from a 3rd world country.

[@chrismathis4162]

Playing a flight simulator app on my iPhone, even I know to bring the nose down on a stall.

[@wl6020]

The airline was grounded, the went bankrupt after this, that means all the pilots, co pilots, flight attendants and mechanics didnt get their 6 months of owed salary

[@kirshi8492]

Man, some people here could blame the captain for everything that happen without factoring his psychological aspect. He must be tired both physical and soul before departing, and suddenly the plane blast him with unusual behavior in the middle of night.

[@koalasez1200]

Siloed architects and engineers? Seems logical one group would consult with the other about the effect of power dips and draws by other systems. That scenario appears in various situations all across the spectrum. If we see lights dim at home when the fridge kicks in or some other power hungry appliance starts, we know it’s time to do something about the power supply. Same principle. There are so incredibly many systems involved in these aircraft it’s a miracle there aren’t more situations. And pilots are expected to be aware of each and every possibility so they can react in a split second. God love them.

[@NothingMaster]

How desperate do you have to be to fly on a Mickey Mouse airliner called, West Caribbean Airways? They opened their doors in 1999 and did the world a huge favor by ceasing operations in 2005.

[@mrfclarke]

Does the black box ever work?