The Platinum Rival Battle You Couldn't Unlock (Until Now)

[@Etch]

I keep getting comments so just to clarify: The title is referring to the Level 75 Barry fight in Pokemon Platinum. There is also a Level 85 Barry fight in Pokemon Platinum that you unlock after entering the Hall of Fame 20 times. If you think you battled the Level 75 Barry fight as a kid, you did not, as it is not accessible in the game without ACE or hacking. You might be mixing it up with Diamond/Pearl's harder Barry fight which is Level 74. This D/P fight also requires 20 Hall of Fames. This is all explained in the video. I definitely should have been more clear in the intro so more people would either watch through or realize which specific fight I'm talking about in the title immediately. I was planning to offer $1000 to anyone who could prove to me they unlocked the Level 75 Barry fight to drive home the point, but since ACE exists you could fake it and I wouldn't be able to tell 😔. Anyways thanks for watching and subscribing I really appreciate it!!

[@GameAW1]

Simple: have them tell you the steps, then you and a few friends recreate it to confirm no ACE was used.

[@gavinyeet5821]

@@jimimcmahon4522 Bait used to be believable…

[@gavinyeet5821]

@@jimimcmahon4522 I’m talking about you ding dong

[@Etch]

@@GameAW1 This is the only way, but I am not wasting hours of my life on rabbit holes that I know go nowhere. I remember when I was younger I was emailing a guy who was DEAD SET that you can unlock Toad in Smash Bros Melee if you shot all the names in the credits along with a bunch of other requirements. I wasted like two weekends trying to unlock him 😂

[@Awesomewithaz]

​@@jimimcmahon4522 I think you're just dumb bubba

[@editfox9568]

Let me be the first to say THANK YOU. I've been trying to get that changed on wikis for YEARS, but since all the wikis say the same thing, I would have needed video proof. Thank you so much for finally shedding some light on this!

[@NightKev]

So there's no proof of the incorrect information but you're not allowed to remove that because you don't have proof that it's incorrect? That's... dumb.

[@Roomsaver]

@@NightKevAnd it’s so easily (4hrs so eh) disproved, too

[@Etch]

What’s funny is for one of the Bulbapedia pages the 10 hall of fame fight was marked for deletion for a while, then got deleted, then randomly got added back in during a future edit 😭 wiki stuff is tough

[@SaltedNeos]

@@NightKev I'm glad the pages on Bulba that I tend to axe false info from are the ones that not many people care about, due to being for spin offs. I don't get much opposition on fixing that sort of stuff now.

[@editfox9568]

​@@Etch A certified wiki moment indeed

[@reminus1662]

The unlock method of this fight sounds so much like a rumor you would hear on the playground as a child. It‘s so much in line with stuff like: ”You have to beat the Elite 4 X times to unlock mew/deoxys/Arceus/a Pokemon your classmate just made up“

[@mercenaryforhire3453]

That time someone made me believe that you actually become the champion after beating the league 100 times 💀 Thankfully I didn't fully commit

[@Clooger-]

​@@mercenaryforhire3453I think you unironically need to beat the E4 100 times in FRLG for 100% completion. IIRC it gives you a sticker on the trainer card or something like that.

[@hikaru4866]

tbh I don't know why that never was a thing actually that would've been cool

[@professorhaystacks6606]

My sister made up one of those for Red and Blue.. .wherein it became obvious that it was a joke when the 'pokemon' it unlocked was Sailor Moon.

[@KeifferAustin167]

Rumor on the playground says you can unlock CharVenuToise if you beat Elite Four Gary's final pokemon by using a Explosion with a level 69 Graveler, then go to mewtwo and use every HM before you enter the battle. You will instead fight and can catch CharVenuToise!

[@danielhavoc889]

Barry was probably the best "Friend" rival in the series. It's the only one that really captured the actual tone of that type of rivalry with someone you are friends with, yet still genuinely competitive towards. Felt the closest to the type of talk directed between actual pvp battles between my friends and I.

[@UmbraStarWolf]

I think Hugh did that well too but his team was kind of bad

[@allnoobsyt]

I remember I GRINDED the elite 4 as a kid and got over 50 completions of the hall of fame. I noticed that Barry’s team had gotten stronger but i thought that just naturally happened as time went on

[@damienhine1861]

I did the same. Had no idea it was considered a rare event.

[@MonochromaticPrism]

Same, I ran them for the exp and $$$ as I was too low level to best some of the post-game gym leaders.

[@Kekistani_Insurgent]

try filling up Lorelei’s house in the FR/LG games 😂 that’s 200 completions lmao

[@TonyAlfonso-p8q]

Exactly what I thought. I kind of just played the pokemon league for fun to try to get all my pokemon to level 100 and I must have beat it like 35 times when I was a kid. At a certain point, everything knew that I found, I just happened upon. I didnt know that the whole heatran thing existed until like three years after I started playing lol.

[@brandon114321]

Beat that shit over 80 times as a kid so I could make a bunch of mons level 100, I would be excited to fave level 80 Barry because that was free exp, then going into battle zone for more free exp lol

[@cecillewolters1995]

Needing a weird Porygon-Z for ACE is just top tier coincidence omg

[@NeCoruption]

For real. Almost makes you think it was intentional lol

[@RETIREglitch]

Sorry to burst everyone's bubbles but it did not matter what Pokémon it was I just thought it was a funny choice 😅 Only the nickname matters

[@theinsanegamer1024]

@@RETIREglitch Oh. Dang. I thought it may also have had to do with index numbers or moveset or something, making Porygon-Z the best choice. I did ACE in my Pokémon Gold VC to give myself infinite rare candies with Quagsire, which I *think* needed Pokémon with moves which were easiest to get with Quagsire.

[@gnammyhamster9554]

Now do it again but with porygon z being required

[@LiveConnectLoveLearn]

It is so cool how much new stuff I learn about games I first played over a decade ago! I was barely a teenager when DPPT first came out.

[@julioflores5946]

Was I the only one who would train my Pokemon in the Elite 4? There is a ‘fun fact’ about plushies appearing in someone’s house for every 25 times you beat the League and I just naturally unlocked that.

[@mrexcadrill8474]

Yeah that’s Lorelli’s house in Fire Red and Leaf green

[@RexZShadow]

Ya I remember spamming it for lvl as a kid.

[@KyoHoliday]

Yup usually in the games I grind in Victory Road then E4 for XP

[@DarkshadowXD63]

Lol I would only fight the Elite 4 for money so I could buy furniture for the house and unlock the ribbon and that fancy store 😂

[@TheShadow1347]

I also used to train my Pokemon in the Elite 4

[@Condetg]

What's really good about your content is... It's not a clicbait. I mean, it is really lost/obscure content we have never seen before or just heard of as a rumor. It's really fascinating to still be able to find this kind of content 15 years after the release of the game. Thank you for doing that.

[@powerfulberry237]

How is this obscure? Bulbapedia and serebii literally already let us know years ago and back then people DID battle E4 many times and this one's just 20 times. Reported

[@justicejeff2108]

​@@powerfulberry237 "Obscure" is colloquially used to describe something that's not known by a wide majority of people. Yes, this has been documented before, but an *extremely* small minority of people have heard of it, since the resources to find this information bury it under loads of other, more pertinent information. Most casual Pokemon fans would never even think of something like this. That "reported" at the end was so unreasonably funny though. Kudos.

[@insidious6068]

​@powerfulberry237 I really hope that this is satire. Yeah this has been listed on the internet and even though I know this, a VAST majority of people probably didn't.

[@Rot8erConeX]

@@powerfulberry237 Someone didn't watch the video. This isn't about the level 85 Barry fight that you get for beating the E4 20 times. It's about the level 70 Barry fight that is, in the official games, unused, but that many people assume was supposed to be a middleground. He talks about the level 85 fight in the beginning to give us background information.

[@lpfan4491]

@@Rot8erConeX Plus the level 80 fight being unlocked like that is still really obscure. Most people either never unlocked it or grinded the Elite 4 like mad and just assumed the fight is always level 80.

[@thecrazygardevoir4081]

i defeated cynthia over 100 times before even going to the resorts so i had no idea he had a team weaker than 85

[@srgzachattack1594]

Same lol i was missing rotom and got pissed because it's not clear what to do and challenge the e4 at least 30 times lol

[@ceciliaofthesky5702]

Fun fact: In the Resort Area, someone gifts you a Villa without furnishings. To unlock certain furnishings you need to meet conditions like planting a number of berries or hatching a number of eggs. For the piano you need to win the Pokémon League 10 times, after you get the furnishing Cynthia will visit you on occasion and her theme plays when you talk with the Piano. Back when I played Platinum I wanted to have all the furnishings, but all of them together cost a lot (even more than you can hold at once). So I decided to battle trainers with an Amulet Coin to gain the necessary funds. Because of that I ended up looping the Pokémon League, way more than 10 times. Too bad that I restarted my game (after trading all my Pokemon to Soul Silver). I would really like to check how strong the rival was at the end.

[@DrewBlue32]

I didn't know you could "get" a villa.

[@cassowary1817]

Thank Steven Stone and his random generosity.

[@ceciliaofthesky5702]

@@cassowary1817 For the Villa and the free Hoenn starter he gives us in Heart Gold/Soul Silver

[@cyberdragonzekrom6790]

@@DrewBlue32Gen 4 postgame was fuckin girthy

[@illusionM40]

I did the same thing as a kid except I battled the two trainers north of the villa right outside of the resort area. Did it to get my entire team to lv100 as well as buy everything so I mustve beaten them hundreds of times

[@empolethetaco2450]

I want to know literally everything there is to know about platinum so thank you for the content man

[@Etch]

Me too

[@Lumix_Corrupt]

Here i was thinking i already DID know everything, until i saw this video lol

[@deGoomyan5538]

Barry was great rival, he was always a step a head, he was friendly but he wasn’t a push over. His erraticness made his battles during the main story unexpected and when i was a kid i lost to him a few times. Love him he was a consistent rival

[@toony1232]

Finally Barry appreciation

[@alicestarkwing]

Good points but I also appreciate Barry a lot because he reminds me of my childhood best friend in appearance and personality :) And the way he drags the player along to his wild 'adventure' at the start of the game brings me back to childhood when we frequently did the same thing... I feel horrible for not talking to my old friend for years and telling him about his similarities to the character...

[@deparinge]

I guess this looks impressive compared to the rivals in like gens 6-8 but this sounds like a real low bar tbh, especially when resorting to scraping the bottom of the barrel for a compliment like consistent. Like Blue comes with the unexpected appearances and being a step ahead shtick but doesn't have the annoying "I'm gonna fine you!" tic and hyperactive gimmick.

[@toony1232]

@@deparinge Barry is a fun rival. A rival doesn't need to be a jerk to be challenging and Barry is proof of that

[@deGoomyan5538]

@@deparinge don’t take my comment too seriously, i’m not looking for analysis of Barry, this is my opinion ☺️

[@ashleylightheart126]

I know nothing about "ACE" but the fact you use or maybe even have to use a porygon-Z to "glitch" the game is very funny to me

[@RETIREglitch]

Great job explaining the history and details, love the format you've gone with in these videos. An honour working with ya as always!

[@Klaxynd]

I just checked out your Remote Code Execution video and even that seems incredible to me. I’m curious, where do you even learn to code something like that? I’ve studied game programming at my local community college but it was all using Unity and I’m starting to get more interested in modifying existing games and learning their inner workings.

[@RETIREglitch]

@@Klaxynd I started with purely playing around with memory editors and programming scripts, then go a degree in industrial engineering/computer science. Reverse engineering and hacking is something I just taught myself through videos, documentation and trial and error really. Most reverse engineers I know are people who are just passionate about breaking/understanding games and kept doing it.

[@Klaxynd]

@@RETIREglitch Cool! Thanks for the swift reply too! I’m always happy to learn more about software creation especially when it has to do with games.

[@AwakeningShadows]

@@RETIREglitch I remember that infinite Arceus glitch you released a long time ago.

[@Amanda-zt8et]

I love niche pokemon content! It's always so cool to see the community work together to figure these things out. Kudos to you!

[@Hero_of_Sinnoh]

This is why platinum is my fav Pokémon game, some 15 years later and we're still finding out new features about it. This channels great keep it up!

[@caseyjarmes]

You’re the king of weird niche Gen IV videos

[@Naim11443]

and i love it LOL

[@olofmasteryt3052]

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[@awesomelink2347]

Going into this with only the "knowledge" that the two additional battles are unlocked by entering the Hall of Fame 10 times (the one with his team leveled up by 10 levels) and 20 times (the one with his team leveled up by 20 times; famously, at the time, this beat the record of "highest leveled Trainer-owned mon outside a battle facility" that Red's level 81 Pikachu set all the way back in GS). This'll be a good watch! Edit after watching: Wow, that's nuts... I really had no idea! Great watch, thanks for the video.

[@_Smokescreen_]

Having played my Platinum save file since Christmas 2009, I may give ACE a shot if there are no drawbacks to try a true 100% completion. Thanks for the video on this obscure gen 4 battle, love these kinds of videos!

[@af5287]

"Beat the elite four 20 times" gives me flashbacks about elementary school rumors! Just beat the elite four 20 times and you get access to the secret garden behind Bill's house 😂

[@spencergriffin7878]

I have a vague memory of this info being in vol 2 of the diamond pearl pokedex guidebook.

[@robbiegarber898]

Every time I think I know everything about Pokemon Platinum, there's always something more. Glad to see my favorite game keeps on giving, and tysm for all the new info.

[@mr.wigglypiggly5153]

You know what’s crazy, when I was a kid I loved platinum. I had done everything I could in that game having close to aroundd 800 hours on it. I kept fighting the elite four multiple times because I thought it was the coolest thing. I fought this Barry fight and years later I didn’t even know it was a secret fight.

[@OsirusIrdia]

God I love these videos on obscurities in mainline pokemon games. Keep the train going!!!

[@durant8006]

We need more games like these I hate the modern games that came after black and white 2

[@EmmyMimimi]

I love how gen 3 had an ACE revolution and then a couple years later, gen 4 is getting theirs. ACE is so sick.

[@professorhaystacks6606]

I apparently missed the Gen 3 one as well. Dang. I have not kept up.

[@EmmyMimimi]

@@professorhaystacks6606 the video by papa jefe is your best bet if you wanna learn about the most current version of the setup and whatnot

[@EmmyMimimi]

@@professorhaystacks6606 Papa Jefe’s video is great if you wanna see the modernized steps for it

[@felicityhomman6301]

This has got to be my favorite Pokemon channel right now. This is all fascinating and it’s great to see somebody who genuinely researches and puts in the legwork rather than reading off a wiki page. It would’ve blown 11-year-old me’s mind (it still does tbh lol), I could barely wrap my head around holepunching at the time-and now we have unused content accessible through ACE!? Thank you for making such cool and well produced content so readily available!

[@imanowlexterminator]

Fun fact, Nemona in the Pecharunt post-dlc content now has the highest AVERAGE level of an opponent. Red still has the highest single mon with the 88 Pikachu, but his team's average level is lower as Pikachu is quite a bit above his others.

[@seanpazdera6407]

That doesn't count though, because the game, character, and DLC are all shit.

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

@@seanpazdera6407 Still counts, whether you like it or not.

[@aerospherology2001]

Actually, the highest average is Cyrano with an average 86.5 vs. Nemona's 86.166.

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

@@aerospherology2001 Ah, so both me and Sean McHater above me were wrong.

[@Naama-wm9kc]

Fun fact. Who cares? A bunch of Grown ass men arguing about Pokemon 🤷😅.

[@mattybutler1985]

I was more surprised at learning about the Level 85 fight than this one. No way I could've ever known about that.

[@NeoReibert]

As Pokemon Pearl was my first Pokémon Main Game I owned myself and Pokémon Platinum my second, I played the Sinnoh games for 3 years until I bought HeartGold. I naturally did the Pokémon league dozens of times in Pearl and Platinum. So, the Berry level 85 fight was something totally normal for me and always fought against him on Saturday. I even used the underground glitch to spawn inside him. Man, I miss my childhood.

[@gnomesanebruhh]

I'm so happy to see your success on YT dude. You're a BEAST!!!! Keep at it man it's well-deserved

[@theneedforspeeder9575]

I can’t believe I never knew this since my childhood. Your channel is growing a lot with only 3 videos. Keep going!

[@MolternK]

This sounds like a rumour you would hear as a child but it's actually real

[@ActuallySpanky]

this channel is an insane W for being basically brand new I already watched all 3 videos and the short. looking forward to more content

[@hunarpg]

Man you making some top tier content

[@cameton_youtube]

I'm loving the trend of looks into the niche details of old games from my childhood lol

[@greym3288]

no way, this is awesome! thanks so much to you and Retire for making this possible

[@JaybugJabbers]

This was very interesting, thanks for documenting all of this!

[@pixiebyrd]

I absolutely love pokemon ACE, it’s incredible what people have found to do with it

[@danielhall6888]

Enter the Hall of Fame 25 times... So Tuesday.

[@ukanegashi]

I unlocked his highest level team in Pearl. Pearl was legit the only game I had for over 4 years. I played it until the time stopped at 999:59, and more. I never knew it was related to the HoF total. I've beaten it exactly 50 times on that save.

[@Jordan3DS]

Pretty neat, I love learning new stuff about Diamond like this!

[@debilepskihiphop]

I've for sure done the E4 at least 20 times back when I was a kid, never knew about this

[@freshIight]

Small thumbnail suggestion: If I didn't read the title of the video, I wouldn't have clicked. "15 years later" comes off as some kind of "How did the game/rival hold up over the time" type of video which could arguably repel some potential viewers. Great video btw :)

[@Yayonzo]

Your videos have been popping up for me lately, giving me MASSIVE gen 4 nostalgia. I really need to get back into those games in some way.

[@nickg5341]

They just don’t put this kind of love into the modern games anymore. Thanks as always for your brilliant coverage of these wonderful games!!!

[@alex-jumpz4264]

Bro, your videos about Gen 4 are peak!

[@bennettjaskaniec5191]

Wanted to say thank you for bringing such interesting and engaging Pokémon content to KZbin! I love all your videos so far and am excited to see what you make next 😁

[@MISTAKEWASMADE4live]

Ah, I knew that this fight was indeed missing, never thought anyone would make a video about it.

[@jjmsonic]

Hold on we have ACE in platinum now?! That's huge, I hope to see more custom events like what imablisy has done in gen 3

[@Kartana_Celesteela]

I have been playing Platinum a lot lately, and I was wondering why the Rival's levels didn't increase after I had beaten the Elite Four 10 times in total. Then I stumbled upon this, which explains everything. Thanks for making this video!

[@delphoxhoopa7289]

I didn't rechallenge the Sinnoh Elite Four until recently, and it was only to unlock the last piece of furniture I needed to complete my Villa. I was even able to buy the Ribbon Syndicate Ribbons for my Battle Frontier Garchomp.

[@MightyDantheman]

The sad thing is that I probably would've unlocked this as I always farmed the Elite Four for money so that I could afford the expensive stuff in the Villa. I'm really sad that the Diamond and Pearl remakes didn't include any of Platinum's content. What were they thinking?

[@dylanboczar999]

Probably "people will buy this without it, so why bother spending time and money" sadly

[@bootlegmozart]

nice find dude. that's pretty awesome! Didn't even know this was a thing!

[@utvm6748]

I love gen 4 so much. Its my first pokemon and the aesthetics and nostalgia is heavenly. We have the arceus lore, without us pokemon wouldnt exist. Gen 4 so much that i only use sinnoh pokemon in every game

[@sneepsnoop9547]

As a tcrf reader I live and die for stupidly niche information like this, and Platinum is my favorite mainline game! Thank you for making content like this and pioneering gen 4 research in 2024.

[@oof5992]

I was gonna call clickbait until you showed the level 75 fight. Good video

[@dragonofspades2837]

It makes me so happy that platinum is getting more videos like this 🥺🥺

[@plabcentral630]

Dude come on don’t tell me that this game is 15 years old that makes me feel old.

[@spinceiling7442]

I’ll eat up anything Gen 4 and as a big Barry fan as well I really appreciate this video

[@latioshunter]

More Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum content is always a win in my book. Where is my DS, i got some grinding to do....

[@JuzzyQ7]

I've seen a few of your vids now and they're great... Subbed!

[@LechuKawaii]

I'm subscribing. You speak about things I've never heard before about Gen 4

[@saphymew4627]

I remembered barry levels getting higher. I beat the hall of fame on platinum a ton of times to unlock the cynthia piano in the resort area, and that his mon levels were higher than what I remembered

[@IvanHernandez-zw7pq]

great video man!!! I miss the old era of pokemon haha

[@muma-kitty1639]

i figured the name on porygon z was just the sound its cry makes, like naming a kricketune delelewoop

[@samuelbanks8499]

I did the highest level version of this fight as a kid on my copy of Platinum; had no clue it was so special. I remember logging on and always feeling the need to beat everyone in the house/barry. I had no idea not many people had seen his level 80 fight. Gen 4 with HGSS and Platinum was really peak pokemon

[@jakisrandom1]

1:55 benga also used level 85 pokemon in challenge mode in black 2/white 2

[@valentingigena6058]

He said untill

[@slateportraichu5416]

I never heard of that. Thank you for making this video. I've learned so much new stuff=3

[@digestivecookie7026]

so is everyone here just lying about discovering the undiscoverable hidden in the files Barry fights as a kid because they didn’t watch the video or am i out of my gourd

[@dylanboczar999]

They watched the first minute or two and thought that the 20 Elite Four quota was the one referenced in the title. So yeah, they didn't watch the (whole) video

[@MittyNispa]

I remember beating the E4 on platinum almost 50 times. I never knew the battle existed lol

[@The2bGaming]

TIL We never had ACE in Platinum until just last year

[@TrueCrouton]

I like how back in the day the Platinum health bar speeds were seen as this amazing boost compared to Diamond and Pearl, but after another 15 years of Pokemon games, even Platinum's speed feels pretty damn slow. Hell, I remember it feeling slow even once BW rolled out.

[@williamfrieden1]

Interesting video, anyways, keep it up as always!

[@LRXC1]

This was awesome!

[@dracotheduck6782]

Super interesting! Love the vids❤

[@Quick_Nerd]

very interesting video! this was very fun to watch

[@MsZyraMMD]

Well this is good information to know since I started playing Platinum on an emulator

[@RetroPokemonTCG]

Another great video from the goat!!!

[@taylorlittlejohn5716]

Not me googling Pokemon Gold Red fight because as a kid I swore his Pikachu was level 100. Can confirm, nostalgia plays tricks on us all!

[@Will1amFord]

Watching clips of these games reminds me of why I couldn’t get into them. The animations and battle speed are super slow and there’s performance issues they corrected with Gen 5, which I played before 4 so it was a real struggle to get through.

[@rachelledavison]

I feel like the real life equivalent here would be to somehow code your Tamagochi to bend reality.

[@LinktoSonic]

5:44 Staraptors cry goes really well with the music

[@Pudding404]

Gamefreak honestly put so much more effort than we origionally thought. Makes us appticiate the old titles now even more somehow.

[@ScoutTheSpartan]

Watching this reminded me of how RIDICULOUS Gen 4’s health bars were hahaha. But I still love Gen 4.

[@Naim11443]

nice video bro, im a gen 4 fan

[@HybridHero]

3/3 for the bangers

[@christophernewhouse5832]

that animation of Barry when the battle starts is good

[@Godsy01]

Great video man I didn’t know

[@TetraTheThief]

9.99K subs! I am part of the first 10k!

[@Divesh98]

Im gonna have to verify this on the weekend when barry is around again rather than manipulate in game clock, but as a kid with only platinum as my physical game, I just enjoyed smashing through the league just for the fun of it, so im very certain this fight was unlocked for me cause i also frequented that battle resort place where we fight all those familiar faces. Platinum really just remains my favorite, and yes thats with bias included too lmao.

[@TheOofaloofa]

It's funny that the majority of the fight was just you watching the health bar go down. XD

[@IWestrada]

Definitely unlocked the lvl 80 Barry when I was a kid lmao

[@it_is_i_deo]

And here I was thinking you just named your Porygon-Z after the sound it made

[@Lionwoman]

Me who spammed the league both in Diamond and Pearl to level Pokémon: :|

[@gengarclefairy3475]

I find it crazy that in-game BARRY is the 2nd strongest trainer EVER

[@TruMikuel]

... so there was good reason for farming those hall of fame ribbons afterall.

[@SarahAbramova]

I like the new style of video!

[@PhilipMurphy8]

A good video of a rival battle

[@Poliwager]

Wait. I didn't realize there was even a level increase for Barry, since I have beaten the Elite Four in my copy of Diamond over 100 times, and most of those times were really early into my time in the game, back in like 2008 or so. Interesting!

[@sotovido7808]

Crazy I didn’t ever find this… played my PKmn Pearl for like 408 hours last time I ever saw my old DS.