The player that outsmarted the DM/The Entire Party

This player defeated a problem DM as well as his player minions using his rick and morty level smartyness. (he has an IQ of 1000000, get over it.
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[@cefirodewinter9086]

KZbin: Hey check this out Me: Wtf is this game, what is happening and what language are speaking on this comment section... HELP

[@CritCrab]

Pinning because I love your profile pic and I miss being a noob.

[@syncringe1885]

Meanwhile I'm overhere just like. "Oh hey someone is talking over Neverwinter."

[@smgperri]

Ikr

[@nin2494]

It’s DnD I’m pretty sure

[@Artrysa]

Down the rabbit hole...

[@Fuzzy.B.Lumpkins]

Wow that group is toxic as hell. It's pretty ironic that they all die from poison 😂

[@fustercluck5618]

the players I can understand because you probably wouldn't trust someone with the evil alignment anymore but the dm is what pissed me off, are they not supposed to act like a neutral party unless a player gets out of hand?

[@TallMist]

@@fustercluck5618 Don't think it's just that. The whole "If you ask for a book, we'll throw it at your face. Yeah, we're that kind of people." attitude is annoying. Like, wow, tryhard at being edgy much?

[@yourbiggestfan395]

​@@fustercluck5618 I have two evil PCs in my party. It's in their best interest to work with everyone else or they'll find themselves up against the whole of the group. Being 'evil' just means being selfish, being 'good' means being selfless, and being neutral is being both. Notice how none of those things says anything about being untrustworthy? Being evil doesn't make you go against the party, being an asshole does.

[@if7723]

@@yourbiggestfan395 Yeah, I never understood why people equate evil with backstabbing. Plenty of good characters will do that as well, example being the party in the video above. Evil to me just means that when you see an orphanage burning down you bust into the store across the street to steal while everyone else tries to save children.

[@yourbiggestfan395]

@@if7723 Evil could also be you attempting to strong arm money out of the orphanage after you save it from the fire. Anyone who behaviors entirely with selfish motivations is considered an 'evil' character. Legit pitting yourself against the group that's providing you jobs, wealth, and power, is a terrible idea. It's stupid to go against the party, any evil character that's not dumb as hell would see the benefits of having a crew backing them up.

[@singularity1130]

"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth"

[@andreapasqua8639]

And more than likely pisses on the ashes to prevent a forest fire. Remember kids, only you can prevent forest fires by doing this after burning the village down and feasting upon the sweet, succulent flesh of thine enemies.

[@666Vampirefromhell]

And we toast their meat on the fire as we do.

[@andreapasqua8639]

@@666Vampirefromhell that's the spirit

[@ellewoodford8057]

@@666Vampirefromhell their blood is what were toasting with

[@666Vampirefromhell]

@@ellewoodford8057 Cheers to that. I'll add some scotch though. Might as well party.

[@ruvensanguir47]

I appreciate the "Level 15" popup in the background gameplay being perfectly synchronized with the corresponding part in the story.

[@insertname4929]

YES

[@wiiblii8584]

Ah yes it gave my brain the happy chemicals

[@pikapal94]

Honestly, the whole singling out the “weaker” players was already bad enough. However it’s just inexcusable to single out players for not playing a style that you want. If they hinder the experience for everyone else, then maybe, but being a good DM is about letting everyone have their time. It’s honestly why I like Co-DMing. It allows us to discuss the party/session and give feedback. Ultimately the rule of thumb is to get everyone involved, invested, have fun and get whatever they’re looking for out of the game.

[@butter_donnut2132]

What is co dming?

[@serketenglish5963]

@@butter_donnut2132 When you have multiple Dungeon Masters at one table. It’s an extra brain to think things over and come up with ideas.

[@YTNFSCC]

I know you posted this a year ago, but just a short reminder that the OP seems to have been taking part in this "weeding out the weak" thing.

[@pikapal94]

@@YTNFSCC true, and while I think it’s honestly a disgusting way to play, it seemed like it was just how they ran their table. They had that whole power play stuff and didn’t like to play with casual players. I personally like bringing more players into the game. I find it more fun to mix up the table with new and seasoned players alike.

[@pikapal94]

@@YTNFSCC true, and while I think it’s honestly a disgusting way to play, it seemed like it was just how they ran their table. They had that whole power play stuff and didn’t like to play with casual players. I personally like bringing more players into the game. I find it more fun to mix up the table with new and seasoned players alike

[@Damirit]

I have only one question - how come the rest of the party kept their GOOD alignments? Alignment depends on the way your character behaves, not on the object of your character behavior. With not healing the guy, leaving him behind, stealing his loot - they all were evil to the core.

[@gingerinajacket8519]

I mean, the DM there was Lawful Evil, soooooooo.

[@CharterForGaming]

It's a matter of perspective. In their eyes they were good. In our eyes they were rotten to the core. The assassin guy was actually the hero of the story.

[@scrittle]

@@CharterForGaming Evil is to an evil person, doing good. Evil is most notably using an excessive action to solve a problem/ get what they want, when other options could theoretically work, i.e, stealing an apple when you could pay for it. Some people are pushed into a bad barrel when given no option, but justifying their actions when caught is still evil.

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

@@scrittle In this case they had the guy take a good chunk of the damage, refused to help him. They tried to steal his shit as well. So no, that's not 'good' actions. A good person would try to redeem or change the person. Not use them, and leave them for dead, or try to loot their shit.

[@Aim54Delta]

@@scrittle I would disagree that an evil person sees their actions as good. While it is possible for a good person to commit evil while believing they are good, an evil person fundamentally rejects the "self" of others. An evil person is interested almost exclusively in their own interests. Smart or dynamic evil will understand that the peons will rise up to smite them, and that a thousand villagers with torches and pitchforks can cause then severe problems - so smart evil recognizes that others are not compelled to follow the self-interest of the evil character. For example, a lawful evil character could head up a highly efficient and even outwardly benevolent corporation because the evil person understands that benevolence is valued by the masses. So long as it advantages the evil character to be cooperative, they will appear to. The smartest of them may never actually enter into a situation where they lack the power to act benevolent. Terrorize a person and they will fight you over nothing. Save a person in turmoil and they will follow you through hell. In any event, if push comes to shove - an evil person will save themselves. That sinisterly benevolent corporate leader? When the extraplanar invasion from the 4th dimension comes storming through and wrecking things, he's going to pack his shit up and GTFO. Not only that, he will likely exploit the loss of resistance to his influence (assuming he escapes with wealth/means) to again advantage himself. If he is smart, he won't trip the warning flags of the people - but he will always have strings attached to gifts, always have interest of some variety on a loan, or always have some angle. Other people exist for him, not to themselves. He's just aware they disagree with that assertion. A good person generally would give simply to see the joy or relief of another. A good person isn't buying favors when buying a round at the bar, necessarily. They aren't going to consider it a failure if donating to a town doesn't get them a plaque of recognition or statues in their honor. A good person enjoys seeing others succeed and grow, and is willing to invest of themselves into that growth of others. Thus, it would not be strange to see good people working with evil people - the evil people working the angle for recognition and favors while the good people enjoy seeing the growth of others. A true master of evil in a ruling position, for example, would see to it that his empire was the envy if the world - not just in military prowess but in all things the average person desired. The devil isn't just a part timer, he keeps heaven running smoothly.

[@SpaceGoat3126]

The DM actually had it out for him. Everyone one else stole his stuff. In return he embarrassed the DM and killed everyone else...this is the mentor of Loki himself.

[@Stabyy]

Loki has nothing on this guy

[@lolbots686]

@@Stabyy i pulled off a way more insane scheme

[@lolbots686]

i outsmarted a god with the intelect of a lvl 20 wizard and tiamat combined i outsmarted that which can not be outsmarted

[@sishfun]

@@lolbots686 you know what's funny about that? No one asked.

[@johnathan_maximiliam]

​​@@lolbots686 that happened (not)

[@strawberrydingdong4097]

"it only makes sense that they can go through your stuff too" *entire party aside from him are good alignment meaning they should find the thought of stealing and bullying an ally to this degree simply repulsive*

[@codyholley]

I personally disagree considering that he was playing an evil character

[@Wakrar]

@@codyholley he was an evil character but he didn't act evil in their interactions, as OP stated. He was evil because he was an assassin for hire, but with the party he acted as mostly neutral. Also, even being evil, he was their ally, not an antagonist.

[@littlemoth4956]

@@codyholley Irrelevant.

[@codyholley]

@@littlemoth4956 if you play a evil character you should understand the consequences

[@rappakalja5295]

@@codyholley Yet the character was evil NEUTRAL. They never commited anything evil against PCs so why the hell should be the victim of what is quite literally evil-aligned behaviour?

[@beejcarson]

“The bard died. I hate bards so yay.” I almost spit my tea.

[@insertname4929]

The bard used the block action as not to get tea on themselves.

[@nicholaszogu9547]

FFIV players can relate.

[@nomadicgamer5769]

The Dm was against you, The team was against you, but the dice, the dice was on your side.

[@Tespri]

This, if he didn't have such a good luck he would've died and DM would've had his own fun.

[@Fearoq]

Bless RNGesus

[@Troll_vs.]

I believe in the heaet of the cards..fuck wrong video

[@anexplosion5436]

The Dice know what they are doing. When you get a high roll, the dice decided that it would be best if you got a high roll. When you get a low roll, the dice decided that it would be best if you got a low roll. Trust in the dice.

[@NWLR-tv]

Never doubt the dice gods

[@chilispag23]

If you are going to be a dungeon master, you should remember, you are just a spectator and a story teller. Being this biased is so disgusting to me personally

[@amirabudubai2279]

Yea, if you have that big of a problem with a PC, then handle it like an adult *outside* the game. And if you already signed off on the PC, then you have no right to complain.

[@LashNSmash]

I am a biased DM, I am biased towards the players if that makes sense, I am more inclined to fudge something to save my players than let them die

[@math_plant]

@@LashNSmash that's different and the way you personally dm which is fine

[@alexgulino335]

@@LashNSmash That's very different than choosing between player characters. For Npcs or for Players is a typical gm trap. They typically fall into one side or the other even when trying not to. Some dms get really into their npcs and that's naturally going to make you defensive of them and thus, against the party(for foe npcs). I try to be a narrator and balance in the universe while hoping my friends do well in the world I'm creating. I'm more the type to be ruthless (as a ruthless npc) in their actions but almost overly fair in my judgements. I won't make you reroll your nat 20 save if its slightly cocked, but that bandit you insulted in the bar is going to try to gut you literally if he gets the chance. If you fall unconscious he might be the type to stick the dagger in each eye afterward then piss in your mouth left open from your death scream. A real piece of shit npc, but I'd give every opportunity thats reasonable to prevent it from happening.

[@Brian80s]

"So I switched the gem. Successful check, right?" "Yup." "So how did they know I did that?" "They didn't, *I* decided to make sure they did." Awful DM, get that out of there.

[@Pundae]

"Trying to murder people with 1d4 damage is ludicrous" *poison leaves everyone with exactly 1d4 health left* Perfection

[@expelledangel]

I like how the whole intro to the story is basically "we're all insufferable assholes that no one should ever want to play with"

[@GhostRavenFIN]

Playing alignment before playing character is shit anyway. So is metagaming and singling out. Good on this guy.

[@lanmandragoran8337]

I refuse to make an alignment to any campaign i join, i refuse to accept an alignment for any campaign I run. You are not an alignment. Nobody is. People change, people grow, alignment is outdated. Its for legendary divine swords who would burn evil doers on touch....except, what is evil? Is evil a man who burned a city with thousands of innocent people to stop hundreds of plagued from spreading across the continent? Alignment is outdated.

[@CoolColton947]

@@lanmandragoran8337 This one has reached status "woke."

[@laughingmask3118]

If I'd have been playing, my lawful good wizard would have said "A man should be judged by the actions he takes in spite of his nature! I have seen this man come to your aid, and mine as well, a plethora of times! If this is to be a divisive moment, then, I say that we owe this man the benefit of the doubt, by Ioun! I will hear NONE of this poppycock of conspiracy against a comrade!" And speak up every time he's mistreated. But then again Cecil's just kinda a lvl 20 Bro.

[@CoolColton947]

@@laughingmask3118 One does not simply screw with the Level 20 Wizard who also follows the ancient traditions of the "Bro Code "

[@Tridd666]

@@lanmandragoran8337 **several people are typing**

[@Monado6]

The group was toxic... so I poisoned them. Snyone else see the irony in this?

[@justsomeguywithagoatee8337]

gotta fight fire with fire

[@austinellison3766]

No.

[@gigure9411]

Wasn't so much the entire group though, the players were just being cold to him because it's neutral evil. What was bullshit was the DM outing him and trying to have the party steal all his stuff.

[@supercool1312]

Skeletal Destroyer 11 from how he explains it at the start, they are all toxic

[@Krytern]

@@supercool1312 They sound like a group of complete pricks. Wouldn't want to play with them.

[@UltimateAssassin212]

"This story isn't about a toxic DM" *DM proceeds to be toxic as fuck*

[@MechagirlSachiko]

In all fairness, he's right. The entire group was toxic, not just the DM.

[@fred_derf]

+UltimateAssassin212, writes _"This story isn't about a toxic DM"_ _DM proceeds to be toxic as fuck"_ The story wasn't about the toxic DM, it was about how the OP got it over on him and the other players.

[@babzm.1666]

The PLAYER HIMSELF asking the party to make saves is such a power move.

[@goldfish6525]

Party: *Steals from level 15 assassin Assassin: *Assassinates them Party: • • ○

[@-JaggedGrace-]

I am completely shocked by this unexpected turn of events

[@andrasziegenham6766]

Well, he was going to assassinate them before knowing about the theft though :D

[@user-pd1yr5ou2w]

Amen.

[@coryzilligen790]

@@andrasziegenham6766 In fairness, it sounds like the group (DM in particular) had it coming even before the theft.

[@nagitokomaeda4140]

>the evil assassin brought wine and they still drank his wine after they stole from him

[@beaustanek53]

"everyone make a save against poison at -10" *pumped up kicks has started playing*

[@Satsujinki1973]

@@laughingmask3118 I wonder if his name was The Dread Pirate Roberts... Or Westley.

[@codyholley]

That is a thug Life moment right there!!! *Pass that guy some shades*

[@liVile]

*Bard starts playing*

[@codyholley]

*snoop dogg!*

[@DragonstarFighter]

@@laughingmask3118 Yeah, i wouldn't have consider him evil just for being an assasin up until that point... and i wouldn't have treated him as such either

[@WeedgokuBonerhitler]

I love how at the start the OP is like "Oh we're just like that" in regards to some really shitty behavior, but then spends the whole post complaining how everyone ganged up to exclude him. What happened to "we're just like that"?. Does it not count when it's you?

[@persephonehades7547]

I think it's assumed that this group had been playing for awhile, so maybe the DM of the story was a former player who "took up the mantle?" Would explain the bloodfeud.

[@TetsuRiken]

I think the issue was the singling out because he was evil even though they had been friends in game and just the fact he was randomly outted for literally no reason and his response was to fuck everyone up

[@fist-of-doom487]

It’s fine when it’s a harsh but unbiased rule. If everyone is onboard it shouldn’t be a problem. When you’re being targeted and singled out then it becomes bullying

[@hermeticbear]

I think you're forgetting the context of "we're just like that". The like that is out of game relations. Not in game in relations.

[@LordTyph]

I'm assuming this behavior is outside the norm.

[@nocount7517]

Party: *drinks wine, is merry* Assassin: "You have 3 seconds to live."

[@TheCoolCookieCat]

The whole party: Drinks wine and has a good time. Few seconds later: Wait, why do I hear boss music?

[@comradedima9791]

the guy they've bullied: *KIRA QUEEN,BITE ZA DUSTO*

[@Bellfeasto]

"Bazelgeuse Music intensifies"

[@TheProskater666]

I was thinking of "Piercing Lazer" from Castle Crashers

[@arcaneemain8309]

what if you wanted to drink wine but the assassin in your group says: "il vento d'oro 3:45"

[@daikaiser9394]

@@Bellfeasto "Gothic Neclord intensifies"

[@soulgin3682]

Not gonna lie... saw that move a mile away villains aren’t born they’re created.... Everyone brought that upon themselves

[@TarsonTalon]

If my character was in this situation, they'd probably survive since they are neutral. They'd probably be the only one defending the 'evil' player, as they are an anarcho capitalist and a believer in redemption, but also hate self-righteous people that can cause more problems than solve. Whole time would probably see how the 'good' characters were getting full of themselves. So, if he were to walk in on this scene (it's unlikely he would have been there to toast), he'd probably shrug and take a swig of his own flask. Then he'd say "So, this is the story: Apparently, someone poisoned the drinks, so in the interest of preserving your life and property you killed the two that remained standing. But, suddenly, a young dragon walked in and went to take all the loot for themselves..." **Turns into a neutral type dragon.* "...so you ran away. Now, where exactly were you going to run? I need to know, I do intend to do more business with you."

[@hmdragon1638]

@Rusty00 ah the classic troupe of the corrupt hero brought low by a heroic villain.

[@George_Gogo01]

not sure how its a 40000 iq level move,isnt it just anyone could have figured out?

[@hmdragon1638]

@@George_Gogo01 well we the readers have the forsight from where the story is posted, and being able to read it all in one sitting. Imagine instead of the poison being picked up and five minutes later is used but weeks or months pass with it, so many people forget what's in their inventory if it's not regularly used or equipped.

[@George_Gogo01]

@@hmdragon1638 i...usualy write thing down when its important,but if you say so.

[@TheAres1999]

Imagine this from the barkeep's perspective. A bunch of adventurer's are having a party. They are clearly antagonizing one of their members. After they drink, most of them fall to the ground. The few left standing are unceremoniously killed. He doesn't say it, but I bet he sat back in his chair to finish his drink.

[@mbosskdawg-vlogsandgames2979]

a new, not poisoned one I hope lol

[@sarafontanini7051]

Barkeep: *quietly leaves the bar and never returns*

[@thetextbookgamer]

Party:lol noob let's take his stuff PC: so, it's TREASON, then

[@liamdalemon1525]

man two people managed to roll nat 20! sheish

[@YouCaughtCzars]

"I'm not trapped in here with you; you're trapped in here with me!" sums up the sentiments to this story. Goddamn brilliant.

[@ainzooalgownoverlord8913]

Happened to me I was a master assassin who was a slayer for a black ckhand member I worshipped Sithis Mephla and boethya they had no clue who I was or that i was evil I always showed no emotion. So the palidin could not pick up on it untill they found my speaker i obeyed him giving me the order to kill the merchant we were going to rescue every one was listing we had a sniper he used a scoped croos bow and a ulfberth a knight a pladin a mage and me the assassin guy was wanted dead for rape. I killed the guy and no one said a word untill they arrested after I got i maxed my alchemy and archery grabbed a croos bow a bunch of master craft poisons and picked them off but they badly injured me. It was fun but let's just say every time we played to together they banned assassin but I was a master assassin and could not ban me for it was my main not a throwaway.

[@Kugrox]

You fool, you've fallen for one of the classic blunders, the most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly more famous than this, never go all in against an ASSASSIN when DEATH is on the line! Ahahahah ahahahah ahahahah.

[@ainzooalgownoverlord8913]

@@Kugrox Your right.

[@lachlancole6827]

@@Kugrox *klunk*

[@kalebb1226]

Rorschach

[@seamusfish7009]

What a terrible way to play. The dm, the group dynamic, the player in general... couldn't see myself in a game like that, seems to toxic.

[@CritCrab]

Indeed, my only hope is that a would-be that guy stumbles upon one of these videos and corrects his behavior before it's too late.

[@thegameknight8916]

At least the DM got his comeuppance.

[@c0rr0s10n]

@@thegameknight8916 never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

[@thegameknight8916]

Indeed. :D

[@CritCrab]

@Cameron Mendez all of em were awfully toxic tbh.

[@lunabi3586]

That Kira scene in the end... That was trully fitting to this story... My most favorite video now xD

[@CritCrab]

Thanks! :D

[@caodogao4327]

I am here just to hear the buildup to that part! ^^

[@BachikoiBabi]

I had a party do something very similar to me for being a chaotic-neutral witch. Fortunately my DM was much nicer about it than this DM. The Paladin that kept trying to kill me was apparently closer friends to the group than I was since everyone sided with him. Every time the Paladin would do a sense evil on me the DM would insist that he senses no evil from me (besides the cursed robe I picked up on accident). When the paladin did actually attack me his god took away his powers for attacking a chaotic-neutral ally.

[@SerenaMonteli]

YES ITS WHAT HE/SHE DESERVED!

[@Nazo-kage]

This just reinforces one of the key rules of D&D: NEVER Single out a single player for ridicule.

[@shadowjezzter]

Indeed

[@CBoy92]

I mean, anybody pulled that shit on me and I'd never play with them again. It's straight-up bullying. Forget about losing all your characters, that would be a fantastic way to lose a friend.

[@Slixer]

@@CBoy92 Cause the Author is totally gonna say he was a piece of shit to the group causing them to turn on him right?

[@Bellurdan]

@@Slixer idk with who you play with but I play with actual friends I hang out with, go out, go hiking, do all sorts of shit together. I don't get how ppl play with idiots they don't like or end up getting mad irl. Our characters may do dumb shit and fuck each other's characters but it's never personal and we always laugh about it out of character.

[@filipferencak2717]

@@Slixer My guess is they got pissed cuz' he kept stealing their stuff. I mean, he's an assassin and he mentions stealing stuff several times (the DM got everybody to take his stuff over it and he mentions the DM not getting pissed when he replaced an item with a more valuable item, making it seem like he did get pissed when this wasn't the case).

[@Aodhan_Raith]

"Truth is, the game was rigged from the start." Holy fuck, I come 5 months later and this happened? Damn guys, thanks.

[@angrysarcasm2229]

I imagine it was the only game in town.

[@jaffarebellion292]

"From where you're kneeling this must seem like an 18 karat run of bad luck". Suddenly, UNO reverse card!

[@Cyborg_J]

"What in the goddamn?"

[@nomorebeans800]

Well aint that a kick in the head

[@Aodhan_Raith]

@@nomorebeans800 iS thAT A NeW VEgAS REFERENCE?

[@DrakeDraco2000]

I'm still processing the DM loudly announcing to the entire party "He's evil." From how the group play was described, it's charitably possible the Paladin handed the DM a note that said "I discretely cast Detect Evil and Good then look over the party," but even then the DM should have told just him and he should have figured out how to tell the rest of the party himself. OP's reaction implies the Paladin didn't even ask that much, though. I can't fathom why the DM would straight-up target one player and set him up to fail, compared to just telling him "roll up another character and save the secret assassin for later"?

[@MechagirlSachiko]

From what I saw on the Reddit post, the DM was a hardline christian and the OP was atheist. That might have contributed.

[@rarescevei8268]

​@@MechagirlSachikoI have never known christians or atheists who despise one another for being christian or atheist. Hating another person because of what they believe is very douchey, no matter who does it. If that DM did single OP out because of OP's beliefs, it is even more toxic

[@MechagirlSachiko]

@@rarescevei8268 Agreed. That DM deserved the lesson in humility he was given.

[@fred_derf]

@@MechagirlSachiko, writes _"From what I saw on the Reddit post, the DM was a hardline christian [...]"_ That tracks.

[@WELLbethere]

"So I'm playing a campaign with my self-absorbed psychopathic friends...." That party had some issues lmao

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

Meta gaming, singling out a player, attempting to kill the pc with BS methods. Yeah, that party had it coming.

[@DwarfyDoodad]

There's more to it than what we are told. Player groups don't just turn on someone who they have been playing with for years like that because of a new player. That is literally not how social groups work, and I am someone who is extremely anti social and moderately insane and read far too much into things and dwell on them for 10+ years after the fact. The OP probably is a piece of shit like the rest of the group going on the intro and is just as toxic to play with and probably know in a non gaming situation. Someone said it came about because of a religious dispute, allegedly DM was a Christian, and OP is an atheist. Now look at online atheists and /Atheism reddit. Do you really think that if this was the cause the OP is some how a victim to get everyone in his game group to turn on him?

[@Arkayjiya]

​@@DwarfyDoodad I disagree. People not wanting to rock the boat and scared of being singled out themselves would be enough to create this situation and it absolutely happens in real life. The only ones who seem to have a grudge are the DM and his family. "Now look at online atheists and /Atheism reddit" Hum, while there are definitely assholes atheist out there, there are way more bullying from Christians toward Atheists than from Atheist toward Christians. Just look at the presidential elections. a good chunk of Christians outright say they'd never vote for an Atheist, Atheists don't say the same shit about Christian candidates.

[@pravus9769]

DwarfyDoodad like you said yourself, you look way too far into things. That’s probably not the case.

[@BaneSIlvermoon]

Even if it is, that doesn't tell you anything

[@dreamwolf7302]

@@DwarfyDoodad while its possible you are right...there is another possibility. I had a DM turn on me in college, and with him, the other 9 players in our group...because i asked his girlfriend's sister on a date. His girlfriend hated my guts, and she told him if he didnt kick me out of the group, she would dump him. Well, i was the more popular DM when i actually ran campaigns, because my homebrew is pretty unique, and ranges from n00b to 'what the fuck why is there a level 100 undead dragon in a goblin cave' in terms of difficulty (i could be an ass, but i always made a way for them to win, if they just put a bit thought of into it) so he set about turning the others against me, by having my character's actions cause problems for theirs. Intelligent people would realize i had nothing to do with the DM sending a high level ogre after my character, and when my character kills it, suddenly it 'death screams' and summons a horde of orcs. Intelligence is a dump stat for my old group, obviously. Eventually i left the group. not long after the group disbanded because the DM really wasnt that great, and only ever used premade modules for his campaigns. playing the same damn campaign over and over gets old ya? so for all we know, the OP did something fairly mundane that the DM took special offense to. Leaving the christian/atheist bit aside, in my experience, it doesnt take much for a bunch of DnD nerds to turn on each other like fat people trapped without food.

[@lefvaidarts2694]

That weeding out the weaklings witg the phb thing and the leaving the corpse rot where it died sounds like an incredibly toxic group... are you guys alright?

[@CritCrab]

Yeah, these guys sound like classic '90s high school bullies lol.

[@dead_vibes]

The Chad's of DnD

[@babadraga3114]

sounds like a fun group tbh, besides the favoritism

[@unwithering5313]

Sounds pretty elitist

[@HereTakeAFlower]

@@unwithering5313 a social darwinist in DnD is better than one in the streets.

[@GippyHappy]

You ever wonder if secretly OP is actually a huge tool and that's why no one liked him, but since he's the one telling the story he makes himself out to be the victim? Maybe not, but sometimes I wonder.

[@Lord_Shadowfang]

Yeah. That's always a possibility. After all, deceit is mankind's most defining feature. However, this sort of thing happens all the time due to the toxicity of the species, so I like to imagine someone got the upper hand in their situation. I could sleep soundly thinking this story has validation.

[@LordTyph]

It sounds like EVERYONE was the tool this situation.

[@0001aardvark]

This is even more sad considering he was forced to set his alignment to evil. He didn’t have a choice if he wanted to play that character, and he mentioned he was trying to play him neutral.

[@Skul1ManEXE]

DM and players: _plot to kill the party's Assassin_ Assassin: _kills everyone with their own poison and a dagger_ *Yeah, this is big brain time.*

[@LuealEythernddare]

I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move

[@ekkovaan2261]

Dm gives assassin poiso that has a 19 in 20 chace of killing you if you dont have anti poison equipment... THE ASSASSIN... THE ONE THAT HAS A REASON TO KILL EVERYONE ELSE... CHA CHA CHAAAA REAL SMOOTH

[@LucasBernardesRosa]

Yes, the one with the poison expertise. Try and kill him with poison! DM has the best plans.

[@codyholley]

Talk about having a taste of your own medicine lol 😂😂

[@tijansigin4768]

Can't assassinate the assassin.

[@HezrouDhiaga]

"You want me the bad guy? Fine. I'm the bad guy." What a toxic group. I'm glad he got his well deserved revenge.

[@TheGreatDrake]

That's the thing we know nothing about what went on before all this. His story makes no sense as he said that he had played with them for a few years and they had no problems. If that is true the other players wouldn't of just turned on him like that unless he himself was causing problems before hand.

[@oniwolfin9589]

@@TheGreatDrake no you dont get it this campaign started with everyone not knowing anything about the others characters, the dm didn't like him (the player in question, probably for IRL reasons) so when his younger brother joined he made his character be a cleric (so he could "Detect evil") so they ended up using detect evil incorrectly so they could out him among the rest of the party, detect evil detects current evil motives or magical evil but not innate evil. this is a classic case of "Check your shit at the door" ive had something very similar happen to me in my first campaign of dnd ever, all because my dm didn't like rouges (he tried to get me to play any other character" and it was so bad that he would contently lie to me about my abilities and what all I could do.

[@TheGreatDrake]

@@oniwolfin9589 It doesn't matter if their characters don't know anything about the other characters the players have been playing together for years and he even say's at 2:07 that these are the same characters that they have been playing for a while now so the players themselves wouldn't of suddenly turned on him like this unless there was something he's not telling us.

[@oniwolfin9589]

@@TheGreatDrake yes there was, his alignment.

[@TheGreatDrake]

​@@oniwolfin9589 Which was exactly the same as it had been before this is a character he's been playing for a long time.

[@brockenglish7602]

"Roll a save against poison or get the Clap." "This becomes greatly important later on." you had my interest but now you have my attention.

[@ronaldotheturtl9897]

Love how Crab was like "I was already level 15" While hitting 15 in game. such immersion

[@SuperBoyboys]

"You wanna play rough? Let's play rough!" **deletes the whole party** "This is what YOU made me into!"

[@simplyerayn6278]

I laughed far too hard at this. Thank you.

[@marcusson9025]

Kinda like the mafia movie new world.

[@guglielmoguarrasi7004]

Monika?

[@patrickpedersen1784]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYrCkmOGjNF1qJo

[@mohammadmurie]

You forget that he stole all their stuff to

[@PurpleRageLP]

God I hate this group and that sorry excuse for a DM but this player is a legend.

[@janelantestaverde2018]

Meh, a legend is a bit exaggerated. He used a Deus Ex Machina item to solve his real life problem in game, wasting hours and hours instead of walking out the room. The DM and the players deserved it, I guess, but it's a weird situation.

[@scottvickers338]

IN my opinion there wasn't any good side, I mean the player didn't like the party or the DM so he killed them all? That just ruins games.

[@Human-jv3zs]

@@scottvickers338 Are you stupid? The main factor to him killing them all wasn't that he didn't like them all, it's that they were toxic af, singling him out and trying to kill him at every single turn just cause they can because of his alignment. Worst part being that even the dm was part of this bullshit. The other characters were supposed to be good alignment while the player was supposed to be the only evil, yet they all acted like assholes, as if all of them were evil and the player, who never until that point actively went after the others for their ridicule and torment, who was loyal to the party up until they started doing this shit, was the only one who was good in any way. It's an unspoken rule of dm-ing, you don't fucking single out a single player for ridicule, it ruins the mood of the game, unless said player is going for it himself then so be it, but if you're ruining the game for him, you're a complete failure of a dm.

[@scottvickers338]

@@Human-jv3zs YOu ever been a DM?

[@scottvickers338]

@@Human-jv3zs Maybe I should be more clear on exactly what I meant, you seem to have severely misinterpreted. When the player survived the poison and took it(smart move, if the DM says there is poison you aught to take it) he didn't use it to help the party he just made it worse by getting revenge. At this point the players and DM teaming against him would have ruined his experience, but killing off the toxic players? That isn't going to make the group less toxic just more so. What I'm saying is that when everyone is in the party is being bias toward you and kill them rather than address it, well your group just got that much worse, even if it would be pretty satisfying. I know if I was DMing and a player was evil, I would only respond to the role playing. I don't think this DM did a great job of handling, he just made it worse actually. I not defending targeting a player, not for very good reason at least, one which was not provided. All I'm saying is that him responding in just as toxic a way, doesn't help much. Does that make more sense?

[@kokkorohime9525]

a very high level of "i reject your reality and substitute my own" scenario

[@atlas6533]

Me: Has never played D&D or any TTRPG KZbin: Here you go! And now I desperately want to play D&D after bingeing every video on your channel

[@nix8666]

"But how were you not poisoned?" "I have spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocaine powder"

[@mcdirty764]

You never gamble with a Sicilian when death is on the line . HAHAHAHAHA

[@s0hlless]

@@mcdirty764 it's probably better to never gamble with a Sicilian in general

[@StateTheSmash]

INCONCEIVABLE!

[@jdogzerosilverblade299]

@@StateTheSmash i do not think that word means what you think it means. oh i loved that movie.

[@dbrown5784]

Life isn't fair, it's just fairer than death, that's all!

[@Xerdar36]

It’s not the players fault for killing the group... DM forced him into the role and he played it perfectly... Well done assassin.

[@thomasallen9974]

NE Player: Yes, I am evil but I am neutral evil. I dont really care to hurt you when that hurts me. *everyone dicks him over* NE Player: Remember when I said I dont care to hurt unless hurt first..... Enjoy your drinks lads. PS: This is where being chaotic neutral can have so much fun for me.

[@amirabudubai2279]

@@thomasallen9974 Heck, with how they were acting, a NN or CN could have done the same. That was simple self-preservation

[@patchmoulton5438]

@@amirabudubai2279 Id argue that even good characters would have done the same as well.

[@jupiterb.8213]

the assassin: *assassinates the party* the DM: oh fuck, i can't believe you've done this!

[@fuzzyzombielove]

Okay, but what if it would have gone... DM: _Points to the assassin_ "He's EVIL." Paladin: "OH NO!" _Turns towards the evil character_ "Hello! You look could use a friend. Would you like a hug?"

[@halestar2967]

*PC slowly removes his mask* “When they ask you what happened here, tell them...The North remembers.”

[@TheWarBird01]

Winter came for House Fray.

[@hiroakihanyu]

*lol nice 1

[@primeemperor9196]

Party: *drinks wine* Assassin: Omaewamou Shinderu Party: *NANI!?*

[@Ike_of_pyke]

Wizard and thief: we're alive! Assassin: Mudada! Wizard:!! Thief: impossible *Knife throw at wizard takes him out as assassin jumps on top of Thief* Assassin: Wrrrrrrrryyyyy!!! *kills Thief*

[@theHedgex1]

-Boss music plays-

[@justeliwood2289]

The monk: what flavor is this The fighter: *dead* The monk: that good eh

[@codyholley]

@@justeliwood2289 fighter: ah the tears of my "friends" the best drink to have after a night of giving them a taste of their own medicine!

[@georgesikorski9891]

@@Ike_of_pyke Killer Queen has already touched that wine

[@lapislazuli9961]

Dm: HAHA, DIE OF POISON! YOUR GAME SHALL BE RUINED! Assassin: No u Dm: NOOOOOOOOOO

[@Raziel_Hijikata]

I loved the sense of Justice and retribution in this story but the reality of ut all is that it was probably a group of teenage a-holes all playing the game with no real winner womp womp

[@chez4580]

team: if he drinks then the wine isn't poisoned player: well yes but actually no

[@AmaryInkawult]

Ya know a prankster of a friend has this mentality when it comes to spiking milkshakes with milk of magnesia. He'll be drinking his own prank and experience bowel hell but as long as everyone else does, it was worth it to him!

[@spartanwar1185]

@@AmaryInkawult Half the prank is when they aren't expecting it, after all!

[@LeonaPrime]

@@AmaryInkawult Chaotic Neutral lifestyle.

[@Nildread]

@@AmaryInkawult it's a good thing I don't drink milk

[@robcartr4862]

@@Nildread quoting RWBY "I dont need other people to help me grow, I drink milk!" :D

[@Supanappa]

The first 2 min 40 seconds is him basically saying "hey we're toxic hahaha" the actual story happens afterwards.

[@SaltyRogue226]

That's what i was thinking they are just a group of assholes tbh.

[@mana_fiend]

Agreed. This group are asshats.

[@dakvesser9588]

I agree, they sound like a bunch of douchebags

[@Josku2411]

Honestly while the DMG throwing sounds like crap...BURNING the character sheet is actually the worst thing for me...it just hurts my soul

[@silverfang4583]

@@Josku2411 honestly it could be rather peaceful Almost like turning a chapter of your life

[@_monomorph_1411]

OP really said “the devil works hard, but I work harder”

[@connortremblay1259]

"I stealthily and sneakily swap out one of one players items for an almost identical looking item" "Oh, well then the good aligned party members steal everything you own for the lulz" Are you goddamn serious?

[@wolfkin7045]

This entire group, sounds like they'd be terrible to deal with really. Though, it's hilarious that one of them basically became Light Yagami.

[@indylight]

Just according to keikaku

[@Martial_Autist]

@@indylight Don't you mean 'according to cake'? x'D

[@indylight]

@@Martial_Autist *translator's note :* keikaku means plan

[@Martial_Autist]

@@indylight hahaha ;)

[@DaxterL]

I know right? Who plays like that? And it seems they play one of the older editions so i'm not even surprised. Dark souls is mario compared to that.

[@GlizzyMan445]

Party: *sips wine* DM: wait, why do I hear a piano???? This guy: Yare yare... *the entire party gets wiped out by poisoned wine*

[@thatguynamedgabestyfy8348]

PyroBiohazard Gaming ah a man of jojo as well

[@user-go6qz8vq2r]

*Il Vento D'oro starts playing*

[@rokkraljkolesa9317]

men of culture, I see

[@24kam48]

Kono "Eviru" niwa yume ga aru

[@ovajgamingtip4230]

I assasin have a dream

[@UnstableEquilibrium]

The party: drinks wine. Assassin: "Requiescat in pace."

[@bowemorning]

Treat someone like an evil villain, they'll act like an evil villain.

[@FireWOLF109]

Well deserved for punishing a player for out of character decisions

[@CritCrab]

I know right? Couldn't have done it better myself.

[@formerhunter2]

Exactly. This kind of thing is just terrible as a DM. Reminds me of a similar game, once. Played a necromancer cleric (Pathfinder) with ranks in siege engineering. (Had a cart drawn by skeletal horses and a Ballista on it) DM got annoyed at me for luring his BBEG into an area with a spiky pit, (Dungeons are fun). The fighter (At my request) then proceeded to throw him in. then I shot him with one of my Immovable rod arrows*tm* trapping him there. (Those things were the fucking best). The wizard then proceeds to bombard that fucker with fireballs, while the ranger plugged him full of holes. (We shouldn't have been able to kill him. It took WAY too many rounds, and the only reason we could kill him was because we isolated him from his troops with a sneaky use of the level 1 ventriloquism spell. Me, the (LE) cleric, didn't get my exp because...I didn't do enough damage. Then the entire party proceeds to walk in the door and call dibs on various pieces of loot. (You don't need loot, you're a cleric!) On the way out, I shrunk a massive slab of metal masquerading as a Guillotine with a black blade-edge (important later) and put it in my (overized) bag of holding. New player joins, similar situation, similar rules. Paladin, finds out I'm evil because 'F*** internal consistancy', and my WTFo'meter goes up another notch. My character got along well with most PCs before. Now only one (The LN Fighter) will even give him the time of day. This kind of shit goes on, up until the point that the DM gets tired of us pissing around the woods and throws a LITERAL DRAGON at us in the dead of night. Now, my character has the leadership feat, and the cohort I got (chosen by DM of course) was a level 2 cleric. LEVEL 2! We started at level 10, and we went up by 4 levels. Of course, this guy got no EXP, because **** him, right? So me and the schmuck are on duty, everyone else is asleep. Dragon roars from the distance, comes right at us, and I decide, hell with them, I got this: So I have my ballista loaded with one of my special bolts. The tip of this one is a folding boat. One command word, and that box becomes a canoe, two, and it becomes a schooner. So this dragon comes right at me, ignoring the other, much larger morsels we knew were in the woods (long story) and flew at us like I shot its' grandmother. So I order the cleric to cast true strike...on the ballista. I then proceed to take the called shot down its' throat (a -20 chance) with a +20 bonus. Roll an 18. It goes right down, then I yell the command word twice. Ask the DM how much damage the dragon takes from having a literal ship erupt into being in its' esophagus. He scowls, rolls, then says "It's thrown, crash-landing near you as it tries to use its' breath weapon to incinerate the boat. It's bleeding quite a bit, but your boat isn't going to last long". He grins smugly, then shrugs. "It's probably just going to fly away as soon as it can get rid of it". So I grit my teeth, pull my guillotine out, levitate it 90 ft up, then dispell the shrink, enlarge it and let go. Need to roll... Nat 20. Nat FUCKING 20. So DM looks down at his sheet, I roll, and he rolls his eyes. "The dragon's scales give way, and your attack has done severe damage to its' spine...However, it appears to be healing over quickly". I asked him how much HP it had, and he said -2, but it has improved toughness. (PF you don't die until your HP hits -CON mod). Here's the problem: He gave the dragon hardness 20, due to the scales being extremely tough. The thing had 18 HP before death...But Adamantine (The Black edge), ignored up to hardness 20. I pointed that out, and he froze mid-bite (Was eating a donut). Basically from there, I killed it, brought it back as my minion, then proceeded to kill the rogue (Stole from me regularly, to the point where I had three coin purses filled with lead coins, explosive dust, sawdust and flint, or something of the sort. One time I skeletalised a few rats just to have them bite his fingers), had the dragon eat the paladin, then left the others alive. (They were okay, just trying not to piss off Sir Templarson Crusader IV. (Yes, that was his name).

[@thebearheavy9582]

@@formerhunter2 That sounds like an absolutely amazing character, also i've never played but i feel like DND would be too complicated for me. I like RPGs but reading about some of the things stumps me on how it would work. Maybe its different playing and experiencing it but i would probably enjoy a character that uses siege engineering and some kind of scouting skills or skills that help you prepare in general.

[@formerhunter2]

@@thebearheavy9582 Then you'd love rogues. I personally play Pathfinder (More complex than most editions of D&D, but more fun shit to play with as well). Rogues are glass cannons who use stealth and other such tactics. Siege engines in PF are kinda garbage, tbh, the only reason I did that was because of the folding boat bolt. I generally play spellcasters like the cleric or sorcerer (I love me my spells) but tend to spec into munchkin tactics and items to bolster me.

[@SnailMan63]

TheBearHeavy 5e was created to be much more flexible with the players. A lot less rules binding you so you can actually play like anything is possible. The main problem for me starting out is finding a group that you enjoy to play with and isn’t impatient with you learning the game as you go. Of course trying to learn it in your own time is a huge aspect of it just don’t over do it while in a session by asking a question every second.

[@TenNoOkami]

Extremely Toxic group and dynamics...'we burn each other's character sheets' 'ask for help with a rule and you get hit with the book...literaly physically hit with the book'(because who needs to know the rules of the game you're playing right?), singling out a player...but i supose THIS is precisely what such a group deserves, a player who can deal with it and dish back. 'he's evil you know' ...to me sounds more like a bunch of lawful evils were playing and couldn't deal with the chaotic neutral...

[@TheGreatDrake]

Remember he's been playing with them for years and admitted that it was the entire group that pulled that shit including him.

[@nagitokomaeda4140]

i think that burning the character sheets sounded ok. the rest of it sucks though

[@KittenyKat]

@@nagitokomaeda4140 I mean we rip ours up when we die (after writing down the loot somewhere to divvy up later), since we don't have access to resurrection either. Burning is just doing that with a flair for the dramatic. xD

[@galacticwarlock2271]

Yeah, the reason why some people never got into D&D. Toxic Dice Jockeys.

[@TheAtemAndrew]

@@nagitokomaeda4140 I don't recall the name, but reminds me of an RPG I played a while back where the character would have to damage the physical character sheet every now and again (I believe if they lost enough sanity or to stave off death), representing the loss of abilities, memories, etc.

[@demoulius1529]

Holy crap that group was so fucking toxic. The ending they got is just bloody brilliant!

[@MultiNonymous]

I'm not sure how to put this, but I suspect that this one didn't happen quite as written, if at all.

[@giraffedragon6110]

The DM and that party deserved it, you single someone out and the no party kill rules go straight out the window.

[@CritCrab]

Yes, at this point it becomes less of a fun game and more of a vehicle to single out someone who doesn't deserve it.

[@Tespri]

@@CritCrab To be fair we don't know what sort of person this guy is in real life. He might have actually deserve the treatment he got. But from neutral point of view with lack of any knowledge. DM was terrible.

[@veng3r663]

As a solid House Rule no characters with an Alignment worse than CN are allowed in my game, and even those are somewhat frowned upon...

[@Tespri]

@@veng3r663 Solid rule of good spirit mentioned in DM's book. Never play against your party members. Then your alignment doesn't matter. Just find reason why your chaotic evil wouldn't hurt party member.

[@BruteSparta]

@@Tespri Wouldn't the reasoning be something like self interest? You alone can't kill the big bad so you need these others to stay alive, or something like that.

[@VandalCleaver]

Kinda sad to see bullying in an RPG of all things...

[@Mastikator]

Unfortunately it's very common

[@heyguys2002]

@@Mastikator Yes.

[@shadenox8164]

Considering it a group where apparently they will throw the actual book at you if you ask for it, bullying isn't a surprise.

[@boutinpowered8373]

@@shadenox8164 Yeah. No way someone isn't getting smacked with a book in the face if they tried that versus sane people. Odd group.

[@sorenjensen3863]

Even geeks have a pecking order...

[@Biotany]

"We throw books at people because WEAKNESS!!!" "But Oh no, someone is being awful to meeeeeeeeee"

[@shadowrose8907]

Yeah, I'm surprised you're only the second or third comment I've seen to this effect while scrolling

[@liamdalemon1525]

DM: you get poisoned OP: uno reverse card DM: OH SHI-

[@benjaminseidlitz4002]

"So I'm evil now? OK."

[@LordTyph]

"I choose to commit evil in order to destroy the greater evil!"

[@Hazerithious]

@@LordTyph *skateboards down collapsing floor around them with a giant riot shield while piloting a mech*

[@fatcatsnuggleparty4272]

@@LordTyph "But.. EVIL! PURGE THE EVIL!" "WHOA WAIT IF YOU KILL ME, THAT WILL GET OUT!" "DONT CARE DIE EVIL."

[@LordTyph]

reminds me a little of Elfslayer Chronicles. Where, after the DM slagged off humans constnatly as being racist and homophobic, the illusionist decided 'fine, if you really think humans should act like that, I'll start acting like that.' and wrecks the whole campaign.

[@ShannaroCold]

"Some call me evil. Shall I prove them right?"

[@SkellySkellingtonReal]

Everybody: drinks wine *killer queen them plays*

[@CritCrab]

A fellow man of culture I see. 😉🥂🧐

[@anexplosion5436]

Luck is on the side of Rohan the red!

[@thechosenfundead6626]

@@anexplosion5436 Rohan Kishibe?

[@anexplosion5436]

@@thechosenfundead6626 No, he drunk the wine.

[@graydragoon874]

More like, "umae wa mou shindeiru"

[@CyclopsWasRight]

Similar experience when I was younger. My wizard was shining bright back in 3.0 and for no reason whatsoever, everyone started passing notes. You see, I was lucky involving a path choice and was rewarded an amazing loot roll for it. They saw how devistating I was on the battlefield and any added power made them feel smaller, or at least that's what I got from it. They jumped me as we camped that night, apparently I had become a threat? Uhgg.. Won initiative, levetated per the spell 20 feet up, half the party was useless at that point. Fireballed and killed druid and fighter, still haven't rested and restored much HP yet, but rogue made the ref save. Magic missiled him after taking a dagger to the gut. He was at 0 HP I believe and all that was left was the Paladin completely in disbelief. I talked the Paladin into delivering the finishing blow and renouncing his oath. After, I had him kneel to become my death Knight and I slit his throat... Turn against me? Smh. Lots of hurt feelings that night.

[@SerenaMonteli]

What happened later? I need to know what the people you played with thought, say, they were mad? They even understand they were wrong?

[@CyclopsWasRight]

@@SerenaMonteli We rolled a new game after much btching about wizards being too strong. We played a few more times, but a botched relationship with one of the ladies at the table caused a rift. Sides were chosen and I was an army of one.. Fk em.

[@FerreTrip]

"...I was already level 15." >15 pops up on screen in the MMO Well-played!

[@talistrahan6374]

Alternate ending to rising of the shield hero

[@MasterZebulin]

Such a satisfying ending, too.

[@MASHo1992]

Truly amazing.

[@GalacticFox32]

This guy and Shield hero would totally be friends tbh

[@Volkuz109]

Naofumi should have just killed everyone first chance he got

[@raistlarn]

@@Volkuz109 ya except the slight issue that is if 1 hero dies the monsters get exponentially harder. If 2 die then it becomes near impossible to win. If 3 die then it becomes impossible...unless a hero decides to become a god.

[@justsomeguywithagoatee8337]

Known "incognito" assassin(honestly this would slip out after playing with him), who a paladin outs as having an evil alignment/with EVIL INTENT from the start, gets screwed by the DM and the party who were complaisant in favor of nepotism, left him to die early on. Despite all odds, he survived, only to have his inventory stolen. *HOW IS IT NOT OBVIOUS THAT NOW MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO ABSTAIN FROM CONSUMING ANYTHING GIVEN TO YOU BY THE EVIL ASSASSIN THAT GOT SCREWED, ROBBED AND HATES YOU ALL? YOU DESERVE TO DIE IF YOU DRINK THAT! HE'S EITHER KILLING HIMSELF WITH YOU ALL BY DRINKING IT OR HAS AN ANTIDOTE READY.*

[@TheHamsters3]

more supprised no one peiced it together. oh he kept the poison. he stole a ring that protects against poison. he only wants the group to drink the wine. one red flag after the next. all see him drink it oh must have been imagining things. welp looks like DM is stuck with the only player he just tried to off at one hp.

[@patchmoulton5438]

@@TheHamsters3 OP mentions the notes that they pass to the DM on several occasions. Its likely that many of the red flags were on the notes so the other players werent privy to what our party killer had

[@liamdalemon1525]

DM: hey you stole from him remember OP: I SWAPPED *ONE* item. HE JUST STOLE ALL OF MY SH*T!!!

[@Quandry1]

People readily forget that Evil Characters are needed to to bring a level of Practicality and outside the box thinking to things so that they keep running smoothly and solutions can be solved in many ways. And then they tend to like to pile on that character for not being just like them. It sadly happens more than most admit but Evil Characters help keep things running.

[@areytha4873]

@@Quandry1 I mean, I tend to play CG characters in a way that solves that problem, but in groups that have biases against that alignment (annoyingly common, honestly, because people tend to play CG like CE(with a side of Stupid Stupid) but without the downside of detect evil because they're """"""""""""""""""""good"""""""""""""""""""") I absolutely understand needing an evil character to push things along. The problem is just that both the chaotic and evil axes are maligned by the players who use them as excuses to ruin games, when really they just need to be run by someone who understands storytelling and separating themselves from the character. Some day soon I'm going to make a long-form post along the lines of "here's what every alignment should be generally doing to fit into a functional party! Here's how to generally avoid drama with every alignment unless you want it!" but first I'm going to need to make a reddit account or smth.

[@outclassed4323]

I'm just going to put this out there, but it seems to me that this roleplay group is completely joyless and a chore to play with. At least it felt cathartic to have a Coen Brothers esque ending.

[@stuffandthings834]

The fighter secretly being an assassin reminds me of Iron Bull from Dragon Age. Why assume that the mass of muscle is actually the sneaky one? Then again, the most Iron Bull did was write reports without people knowing.

[@palikia3233]

I'm usually against players killing other players. This is the only time I have ever actively thought "Good on him" after killing their entire party.

[@CritCrab]

I know right? I feel like this is was the only tpk where I'm sitting here thinking about how awesome it was and how the party had it coming.

[@Sparrow_Bloodhunter]

I was attempting to summon an eldritch horror to be my personal bodyguard, only the DM knew what I was doing. the rest of the party just knew that I was really excited to get some ritual chalk that I had spent a lot of money on. the barbarian decides OOC that he's gonna steal it and in character offers to go pick it up from the merchant since I was currently sealed behind a 1 way barrier. I tell him OOC that if he does anything stupid with my chalk I'd literally kill his character (we'd had friendly duels in the past and I stomped him, plus now he's a demon and I'm well versed in the use of holy smite). the fucker EATS my chalk, so I decide to disembowel him to get it back (I had planned to revivify him after) unfortunately "super god" who is stronger than the regular gods showed up and said that the demon kings weren't allowed to harm each other until they had ascended. the barb was the king of gluttony so all he had to do to ascend was eat everything he sees while I was the demon king of envy, not greed, because greed would be too easy to ascend, envy. every time I ask him to explain how to ascend as envy he's either really vague or he just dodges the question. everyone else had easy crowns, wrath just had to punch stuff angrily, greed had to steal stuff, lust had to fuuuuck, but me? I had to want what other people had, but not steal from them because of super god's rules, and also just thinking that I want something of theirs isn't good enough, you have to act on it. it was literally impossible for me to reach a point where I could harm him but he was gonna be able to harm me very soon (he really liked abusing my character just because I could heal myself, everyone did, they thought it was funny to hurt me because "it's okay, just lay on hands yourself lol"). so I waited, I pretended I was fine when deep down my character was seething. I was a paladin of revenge, my entire character sheet was full of things saying how I hate betrayal and would kill those who betrayed me. I kept dropping hints to this but the dense fuckers didn't notice. finally we get to an arena. there's an evil wizard who trapped us and forced us to fight monsters for his amusement. he brings out 3 white dragons, a family consisting of a juvenile, an adult, and an ancient dragon. a fun fact the DM had forgotten about me (because he was too lazy to read my backstory, despite me constantly referencing it) is that my grandmother is actually a red dragon, and that my village has a pact with a group of blue and white dragons. I speak draconic, I played with dragons as a baby, I considered dragons to be members of my family. MY WHOLE FUCKING CHARACTER QUEST WAS TO FIND A SUIT OF CURSED ARMOR THAT WOULD TURN ME INTO A DRAGON FOR SHITS SAKE. now I knew that these dragons would be slaughtered by my overpowered party, and the evil wizard even taunted us saying that white dragons were going extinct so it's becoming harder and harder to play this game. I am a paladin for the goddess of balance, I couldn't stand back and let such an unbalanced fight take place >:) it was time for revenge. I walked over to the dragons, said in draconic "I mean you no harm. I am friend to dragons." then while standing in the center of the group I turned my sword and shield towards my party. (surprised_pikachu_face.jpg) you see I was the party's tank. I had an ability that let me create an AOE of protection, to basically any ally in range that got attacked the attack would be redirected to me, this skill also doubled my AC to 40 so it was literally impossible for them to hit me, not that they even could because we were all demon kings and Super god's rule was still in effect to anyone who attacked me would lose half their HP and I;d be unharmed. I was also able to heal from range so even if they damaged the dragons with spells I could just heal them or cast revivify. I managed to hold out for 3 sessions, but eventually they were able to overpower me. technically I had never once struck them with my sword, I only used it to block, so they were the ones who attacked me. they banned me from the pocket dimension we had with a mansion inside it, they destroyed the shrine I built to my goddess, and they kicked me out of the party. I wasn't able to kill them, but I had made them suffer the way I suffered. the campaign couldn't continue after that, the DM declared that a war broke out and shattered the continents, and it was now 300 years later. we all rolled up new characters, I'm now a goblin alchemist with a love of bombs and little regard for my allies safety in regards to splash damage. "it's ok, I'll just give you a potion lol" ( I spit in all the potions I make)

[@nadrewod999]

The only other TPK I like is the "Sith Janitor" tale: in that one, literally the only reason why he turns to the Dark Side is because the players attack him first, and they all use him like a mule just because they think that he doesn't have any useful powers.

[@CritCrab]

@@nadrewod999 Got a link to it?

[@golarg]

@@CritCrab i.redd.it/dot4o03oic9y.jpg here

[@johnwick6088]

Sounds like every person on this game has their own fedora collections lmao

[@CritCrab]

Okay, this comment actually got a good chuckle out of me.

[@Daves-not-here]

Honestly they all really deserved that. They had it coming for singling that guy out just because he happened to be of an evil alignment.

[@lunch_trey]

You hear so many stories of a player trying to kill the party, but it's always so surprising when you hear about one that not only succeeded but had good reason, too.

[@johnwick6088]

This game looks like a huge headache to anyone new. Plus from what I hear in this video it sounds like a lot of the players are toxic try hards.

[@CritCrab]

I think they're playing Advanced Dungeons&Dragons so yeah, that was a headache. And in my opinion OP was also a try hard, He just gets the props because he was the victim/victor in this specific situation.

[@savannahs.5874]

Thats part of the dnd spectrum, on one end you have people who dont care, on their phone, or are just distracted the entire time and on the other you got the toxic tryhards. Thats why i believe you should pick a careful selection of friends for dnd because even if everyone isnt doing great or super into it you can still have fun and all that

[@sorenjensen3863]

I honestly only play 2nd edition. Don't like the later versions

[@The_Oracle_58]

@@CritCrab throwing a book=advance?

[@oakleyraverty1030]

@@The_Oracle_58 that's what the edition of the was called, essentially 1.5e, hardcore

[@lanteanboy]

and THIS is why you don't do everything in your power to screw the ONE evil character of the party, especially if he's mostly evil for hire

[@CritCrab]

Legend has it Roghan the Red is still out there, delivering vigilante justice to all disenfranchised players with garbageball DMs

[@LordTyph]

Me personally, if I was a paladin, I'd still heal the guy but I'd make it clear that I'd be keeping an eye on him since, you know, he's been fighting alongside me for so long. My trust would be damaged, yes, but not utterly destroyed. I'd want to at least know the full story. This would also make me the only survivor since I"d very quickly get fed up with the party and probably go off on my own to try and find the assassin since he's separated from the group (both due to 'keep friends close and enemies closer' and 'evil or not, he's our ally and we can't just leave him to fend for himself). And thus, he'd probably find some way to keep me out of the toast (or I'd flip out over the guy's stuff being stolen and threaten to bring the thief to prison myself). I'd probably flip out over the assassin's antics (IC, of course) but I wouldn't be trying to kill the guy (and I assume he'd do the same). In the end, my character would be alive by the end of it (If feeling burned by how a person with so much potential to do good and a trusted comrade was pushed to turning on all of them (after they all but turned on him)). Which is more than I can say for this group of PCs.

[@thefracturedbutwhole5475]

@@LordTyph even cold blooded assassins can ave friends, I would think loyalty would matter a great deal to such a person, if you robbed, killed and betrayed everyone including your "friends" you would likely find yourself shunned by everyone . . . . who would hire an assassin who betrays his friends, I imagine the assassin trade is a very reputation based occupation

[@killer66647ify]

Is this all about neverwinter or another game. Got me interested and I've never playned neverwinter

[@orukia13]

@@LordTyph Rolled an conquest paladin a few months ago, became best friend with the assassin in the party I would turn a blind eye for his shit while he goes into assassination missions for my greater purpose, in the end I convinced him that our Order could have an task force to deal with the nasty jobs and he would be a great leader for the team, also we killed our entire table, you know... For the greater purpose.

[@zaodacrusher7498]

Gotta say. I've listened to this story a few times now, and it's still my favorite one. I wish I was this guy's dm, the end moments would've put a massive smile on my face, just well played. Also, after that, I'd ask his permission to make his character legendary in the lore, So much to build on, even allowing the other players to attempt a kind of revenge. Although, you definitely couldn't make it easy.

[@FidgetTheMidget8P]

Going back and seeing your first stories. You've come a long way, crab man ❤

[@snakeorbreak6258]

3:28 "..since I was already level 15." *character in background becomes level 15* Coincidence? I think not!

[@CritCrab]

It was I promise!

[@snakeorbreak6258]

@@CritCrab *I L L U M I N A T I C O N F I R M E D*

[@tlee656]

@@CritCrab Oh no it wasn't!!! I saw how you just waaiiited for that moment, and then BAM, 15!! LOL!

[@FreakzWasTaken]

Also 6:40

[@iDrinkJuice]

6:48 "3 hp left" character in background has ~3hp left COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT!

[@alitaher003]

That DM and party got everything they deserved. This is basically the "Then Let Me Be Evil" Trope.

[@Quandry1]

It's games like this that helped to create that trope. And it's the results of games like this people should pay attention to in real life as well before they start making real life villains.

[@HaloLvl43Legit]

Everyone: **Drinks wine** Also everyone: *Why do we hear boss music?*

[@keatonbash2217]

There were many comments like this, but im liking for the profile picture actually fooling me.

[@lolbots686]

Assassin:because. Omae wa mu shinderu Party:nani?!

[@madmohawk6560]

Player: Brings wine too party Party: Drinking the wine probably thinking they're going to have too kill Rohan the Red Il Vento D'oro starts playing Player: Make a save against poison at minus 10

[@SFox-nf3bo]

The last three are standing: "well I gues we have a stand off th...." **poison dagger to the face** other guy: "OH WHAT THE FU...." **get clobbered by the last player standing.** last player **gets up grabs all his loot, turns and looks at the room of dead corpses, lights a match and throws it, walks out with his finger pointed to the sky.** "burn..."

[@colt1903]

DM: Let's single out this one guy. That one guy: I'm about to go full Kira. DM: Death Note or JoJo's? That one guy: Yes. DM: FUUUU--

[@cyantific1686]

BITES ZA DUSTO KILLA QUEEN (idk how to say this but imma say this in English) USE DEATHNOTE AND ERASE THEM FROM EXISTANCE.

[@Solrex_the_Sun_King]

r/inclusiveOr

[@filipferencak2717]

@@cyantific1686 "Killer Queen has already touched that wine."

[@lkcupps]

Party: Haha, we stole from the Assassin. ^_^ Assassin: You were... just a moment...too late... DM: ? *Kira/Light Yagami's Theme plays.* Assassin: Do you recall before you stole my items that I found something in that dungeon earlier, DM? DM: -You don't mean....!!! Assassin: Everyone......Roll against poison with a -10 Disadvantage. The Party: *Dying left and right like in Death Note* Assassin: *Kira's Laugh In Reaction To Being Found Out*

[@JacobL228]

That story was so good, I want to see it as an anime. This genius deserves all the props for what he did. I hope he had a camera rolling for that big reveal, because their faces had to have been priceless. High five, my man!

[@crimsonbehemoth]

2 things you shouldn't give an evil person Trust And especially reason

[@j.d.4055]

And poison. Don't forget the poison.

[@liamdalemon1525]

and don't be alignment'st

[@adamloga3788]

Even if you don't trust them, at least be professional or cordial with them, some of them will take note of that and leave you alive while they TPW everybody else.

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

@@j.d.4055 Yeah I'd be more worried about the evil assassin having bought wine, and owning poison. Super. Duper. Evil. Poison. Seems like just a bad idea waiting to happen.

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

@@adamloga3788 Or just not drink their wine after you try to loot their shit.

[@khhnator]

where people find such RPG tables? every time i played it was more like "i use magic missiles to attack the darkness" than this

[@Asgardian30]

The dead ale wives club. It's awesome. A great example of how not to run a D&d game.

[@datrux]

Dungeon Crawl Classics by Goodman Games

[@missbelle9159]

Do they summon cthulhu shortly after?

[@Carbadonia]

"I cast Darkness on the dragon"

[@danmccann8813]

@khhnator, Where are the Cheetos, has anyone seen the Cheetos?

[@galaxypotato1286]

Wait- I just started to watch you like a week ago when I stumbled across one of your videos. But I watched this video when it came out, I remember the gameplay and story exactly. It so weird that things like this happen, especially since I’m on another account now. Out of all the people and videos on KZbin it decides to give me this one again, one of the stories that inspired me to play dnd. So strange

[@getthegoons]

Honestly this is way more interesting than a player getting pissy and trying kill 4 equally kited out players in a straight up fight.

[@filipferencak2717]

And so they spoke, and so they spoke That group in D&D And now the rains weep o'er their halls With no one there to see

[@williamtimonen6814]

The rains of that shitty bar.

[@gone41214]

And who are you? The proud rogue said that I must bow so low? A nat(20) of a different coat, that's all the truth I know

[@dastalinstarblade4618]

With a vial of green, the wine we pour This dagger's all I need Though mine's not long, it does d4 Enough to make you bleed

[@LPCrook]

After that, I feel if I was that guy I wouldn’t play with those other players anymore. Because that was some bullying on the DMs part and for the other players to follow his lead and becoming sheep is very disappointing. Honestly if I was in that group, I would have been one of the only people on his side, I hate bullies and I wouldn’t be too happy about this shit.

[@CritCrab]

Same! RPGs are about having fun as a group of friends. Not whatever this is.

[@philipfahy9658]

It would be cool to be in that group, just so you could secretly side with him. Act like you are with the DM the whole time, but secretly you're helping this guy sabotage the entire team. And when he goes on his killing spree, just looks over to you, nods and carries on, leaving you unharmed.

[@dylanboatner2931]

@@philipfahy9658 there is a Star Wars RPG story where the DM sides with one of the players because the party is being assholes to the guy for no reason

[@compassghost]

Per the original Reddit thread, this was the last time he ever played DnD.

[@SwordTune]

This didn't sound like a DnD session. DnD is about telling a story as a group. This was about a DM wanting to tell his own story where the buff guy dies.

[@viciousrape]

absolutely fucking brilliant, both this video and the story in it