The Poetic Truth Behind the Killing of Michael Brown with Shelby & Eli Steele

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Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guests today are Shelby and Eli Steele. Shelby Steele is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, and the author of many books, including 'The Content of our Character', which won him the National Book Critics Circle Award. Eli Steele, who is his son is a documentary filmmaker whose films include 'How Jack Became Black', 'What's Bugging Seth?', and 'What Killed Michael Brown?', which is the subject of today's conversation.
The main topic of today's conversation is the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson in 2014 and all the related issues. One note here, Eli Steele is deaf but is able to lip-read over zoom. So understanding his speech might take a bit more focus than normal, but it's very worth it. I really enjoyed this conversation, and I hope you do too.
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[@qcwestside4112]

I’ve been thinking and saying this for a few years. Black Americans victim mentality is like a religion. They hold on to it with a passion because there’s power and privilege with it.

[@willpower3317]

It’s all they *think* they have, in a sense.

[@kham6006]

That’s what John McWhorter always says

[@thomasreaves588]

It is mostly the psychopathic neo-confederate types who are so worried about past crimes being labeled as such, and blacks being recognized as victims deserving of justice and reparations.

[@weignerleigner3037]

Very interesting

[@jonathonwirth7107]

So poetic truth = lie.

[@thomasreaves588]

He was an unarmed teen shotdown in coldblood.

[@jonathonwirth7107]

@@thomasreaves588 It wasn’t in cold blood, it was in self defence.

[@thomasreaves588]

@@jonathonwirth7107 What was the officer defending himself against. The kid had no weapon.

[@jonathonwirth7107]

@@thomasreaves588 it was a fight for the police officer’s gun.

[@thomasreaves588]

@@jonathonwirth7107 Police always tell that lie as an excuse. I mean ,just think about it. Michael Brown just up and grabbed that cops weapon out the blue, and for no reason at all?

[@oambitiousone7100]

Shelby's not advocating for the stance, he's describing it. This clip SEEMS he's on the side of race grifters, but he's NOT. At the (5:00) he brings up Chicago, where black lives lost don't translate into political power.

[@nefaristo]

Facts start at 8:30 (very few though)

[@Ridingrules10000]

This is a clip from an hour long discussion. That said, do you disagree that the "poetic truths" about the Michael Brown incident were used by the media and the administration to fan the flames of racial hatred for political gain?

[@nefaristo]

​ @ridingrules10000 no, I agree. In fact the combination lies (I remember I listened to the John Oliver episode about this, and believed him) + years passed (what is it, 10?) + not being a US citizen in my case conspired to form a very muddy distorted memory about Ferguson. That's why facts first, opinions later would have been more useful to refresh/clear up. Actually I think that's what Coleman Hughes himself asked for at the beginning

[@Ridingrules10000]

@@nefaristo I see your point. This clip sort of picks up in the middle of their conversation, if I'm not mistaken.

[@Ridingrules10000]

@@nefaristo, John Oliver and his peers tend to latch onto every story that feeds their confirmation bias, which isnt necessarily a terrible thing, but they don't come back and update the story with equal fervor when it turns out they got it wrong. It's creating a mass delusion...

[@nefaristo]

@ridingrules10000 yes. I hadn't realized the huge biases of the mainstream us (and, therefore, european...) environment at the time. (I still enjoy Oliver, I just know there are issues for which him& his authors are reliably unreliable:)

[@thomasreaves588]

Must we always believe the FBI? What does the FBI say happened to Jeffrey Epstein? And what happened to all of Epstein's tapes of lawmakers and celebs with young girls?

[@oambitiousone7100]

"Architect of poetic truth" = grifter