The Pokémon Remakes: Between Faithful and Total Bull - A Retrospective - NWR TV

With Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl releasing today, Willem took the opportunity to take a look back at how the Pokémon remake has evolved over the years alongside the Pokémon Company itself. In this personal retrospective, he gives his own opinion on the weird position that Pokémon remakes find themselves in.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:49 So Why Remake A Pokémon Game?
5:52 Pokémon FireRed & LeafGreen (2004)
9:15 Pokémon HeartGold & SoulSilver (2009)
12:13 Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire (2013)
18:57 Pokémon Let's GO Pikachu & Eevee (2018)
24:24 Looking ahead at Pokémon Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl
29:06 Conclusion
30:11 Outro
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Route 209 (lo-fi remix) - GlitchXCity: • Pokémon Diamond and Pe...
Pokémon GSC Remix: Surfing Theme - PokeRemixStudio: • Pokemon GSC Remix: Sur...
Pokémon S.S. Anne Theme Remix - Luigigas: • Pokemon S.S. Anne Them...
Pokémon RBY - Lavender Town [Remix] - QuMu: • Pokémon RBY - Lavender...
Orchestrated New Bark Town - Panorama: • Pokemon Gold/Silver Ne...
Route 120 Remix - Posby 95: • Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire/...
Lilycove City Remix - PokéRemixStudio: • Pokemon R/S/E Remix: L...
Pallet Town (Remix) - MewMore: • Mewmore // Pallet Town...
Vermillion City (Remix) - MewMore: • Mewmore // Vermilion C...
Pokémon Diamond and Pearl- Eterna Forest Remix - ClitchXCity: • Pokémon Diamond and Pe...
Pokemon Underground Theme Remastered - Zame: • Sinnoh Underground: Re...
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Pokemon Omega Ruby - Mega Rayquaza, Zinnia & Deoxys (Delta Episode Ending) - OmegaEvolution: • Pokemon Omega Ruby - M...
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[@JustJulyo]

HG/SS was everything I wanted in a remake Same game with added features for a modern audience

[@jogymogy3691]

HGSS was perfection. To this date my favorite games.

[@RoseSupreme]

BDSP did it in the literal sense rather than the HGSS/ORAS sense. And due to that, it became a disgrace.

[@joltx9909]

Man, I miss the days saturo iwata was in charge. he brought so much heart and soul (pun not intended) to those games

[@StoryGamer11]

It was also my first Pokemon game ever! Man i still remember running from a shiny unown and killing the red gyarados with freaking whirlpool on my feraligatr Good old times :)

[@JoseFranco9]

@@joltx9909 Iwata last game he was involved in any way was ORAS. It shows.

[@benschiemer]

I actually really love the way ORAS feels like a new modern pokemon game, just set in an old region with characters we already know. When i play bdsp I wonder why I’m not just playing platinum. I played ORAS before RSE however, so I appreciate the way both the originals and remakes still feel worth playing

[@LeafGreen906]

when i play oras i wonder why im not playing emerald

[@Draezeth]

@@LeafGreen906 The only part that makes me feel that way is the Battle Resort. I'm on board for the changes implemented to ORAS- though the Latios thing is a problem. The single main problem for me was the lack of the Battle Frontier. I loved the rest of the redesigns. The DexNav is a fantastic addition for multiple reasons, Mega Evolution was fun while it lasted, the changes made to the story really made it more engaging- and I can't see how anyone could prefer the original story except with nostalgia goggles, and last but not least, Soaring as an alternative for flying was a great precursor to Ride Pokemon which freed your team of bad HM moves, or using up a slot for an HM slave. Of course, in this case it was just fly, but it did herald good things to come.

[@tommymaxey2665]

BDSP had so many opportunity to be the best remake, its in a fan favorite region, popular characters, and popular mons. Did they fix the lacking pokemon selection, or the weird way you move around the region. Nope they kept it like the original when they even fixed it in Platinum. They really should of added the platinum changes to give use the best Sinnoh experience

[@LeafGreen906]

@@tommymaxey2665 platinum pokemon are available in underground, but that doesnt make much difference when the enemy trainers keep the same DP teams. fun fighting wurmples at lvl 30

[@manoftruth0935]

If Ilca put in the battle frontier instead of just battle tower, then it would be more than just a game to shiny hunt Arceus.

[@skyrunnerblake1481]

Good analysis here. I would say I don’t agree with the “these games are for kids” argument though-don’t kids deserve good games too? And I always felt that Pokemon has a lot of adult fans for being a child-oriented series. I also really liked how you brought up the way remakes are caught between two visions or fires as you put it. Helps to visualize the two directions for sure.

[@hadrian5102]

Good video over all but I think the ending point of “these games aren’t made for us anymore” was a little weak and hypocritical. To say these games aren’t marketed to older fans anymore seems like the easiest out to give yourself on this topic while giving gamefreak/Nintendo/Pokémon the benefit of the doubt.

[@yoso378]

Seriously, with how much they constantly shove Charizard down our throats and almost all of their recent ads revolve around nostalgia for the old games, to Pokemon Home charging you for a tiny amount of storage space to keep your Pokemon around forever, it's just being willfully ignorant about them targeting adults.

[@cryguy0000]

At the very least the way they target adults feels pandering and cynical

[@Chopsparillo]

He didn't say they weren't marketed towards older fans, they def are, they just aren't made for them. Basically they're capitalizing on your nostalgia to make you buy their product but not doing anything outside of throwing in an Ash hat to actually feed it.

[@cookiemoon7441]

I feel like Pokemon has managed to shoehorn it's way into this current situation because they're constantly trying to appeal to two different groups who have opposing "wants". Young players might want a bit of a challenge but it can't be too difficult/grindy or they would just get bored and put the game down, older players want the exact opposite. The issue arises in that catering to one group will turn the other one away, thus losing them money. And they seem determined to find the answer to this while also forcing both groups into the exact same difficulty setting (excluding self imposed rulesets) for whatever reason. Though they could honestly solve all of this if they just hired more people or actually let the people take their time perfecting the game by delaying it and adding different difficulty settings. Seriously you earn the most money out of any other franchise you can afford a year or two without a mainline release.

[@rpgfanatic9719]

@@cookiemoon7441 They figure that experienced players can test their might in battle facilities and online. They use the campaign as a giant training ground with the hopes that players can find enjoyment of challenge in catching them before that point but obviously that doesn't seem to be the case for a lot of people for whatever reason. But also the battle frontier being removed is a giant let down. I still enjoyed battle tree though. There are some addicting features that make it better in some ways, however frontier just offers more good features.

[@maxexp]

Ircha Gaming sent me. I actually LOVED Omega Ruby, I had a blast with it! Pokemon Ruby was my first Pokemon game that I finished, so 3rd gen holds a special place in my heart.

[@Danbo22987]

We’ve had three remakes of Gen 1 and yet not a single one has a day/night cycle

[@rogue1248]

im guessing Kanto lives in a dome.

[@RabblesTheBinx]

it's because of Espeon and Umbreon being time-based evolutions and not being in the Kanto Pokédex. Or, at least, that's why they took it out of Let's Go (Gen 3 was probably mostly due to the amount of battery drain the day/night system caused)

[@supersmashdylan]

Yeah what da heck

[@manoftruth0935]

Now that’s faithful and total bull at the same time.

[@preussianblau5595]

Haha

[@renna4216]

ORAS arguably saved gen 6! X/Y was a hot mess. Yeah, I'd still say Emerald is the definitive gen 3 experience, but ORAS still feels like there some effort put into it. It's easily better than any main series game or remake that's come out since then.

[@bdel80]

I rather play ORAS Than Sword/Shield

[@IsaiahFisher19]

I love XY sad it’s sequels got cut but hey we got Oras as you said

[@pkmnproductions7461]

Oras is better than emerald wtf. Im sry, but oras had a good story, developed characters, new mons and SOARING over the region ect. Y'all just mad the Battle frontier ain't back. Oras is definitely the better Hoenn experience 💀

[@dawnseeker176]

@@pkmnproductions7461 no simply no. they were an embaressment of a remake and insulting to my intelligence. with pokemon emerald even without playing the battle frontier i didn't feel like i was being treated like a child and babied. at least emerald actually expected me to put effort in. i didn't come to pokemon ORAS for kalos pokemon, i didn't come for mega evolution, i didn't come for some bullshit alternate universe, i didn't come just to see the butchering of rayquaza's design and watch the lord of the skies eat a fucking space rock. i came for a genuine remake and i was met with a watered down convoluted mess that tried to call itself a remake. it was a spit in the face to me.

[@deviousj5868]

X and Y were trash. ORAS DID pull Gen 6 up and kept it from being complete trash.

[@jaidora]

Honestly, BD/SP had potential to show that a good remake doesn't need outstanding graphics, but it really dropped the ball. Had it focused on being more like Platinum and held back on being completely faithful to the originals, it might've gotten more applause.

To be honest, I think FRLG are the best way to experience Kanto. Praising HGSS for updating GSC but not FRLG is very nitpicking, as RGBY are a pain to go back once you enter the GBA era. Battles are much faster, visuals are amazing (for both overworld and battles), Gen 3 PC and Bag are a godsent, and they made it so you can follow tutorials or skip them by setting up the HELP option with LR buttons or having Teachy TV as an optional feature. That's not even counting Abilities, Natures, held Items, Double Battles, automatic PC storage, and Breeding. They also added the Fame Checker to have a better follow up to important characters, the VS Seeker, Elite 4 rematches, and a cool prequel for Johto events with the Sevii Islands quest. ORAS also gets a lot of hate for the lack of Battle Frontier and Exp. Share, but I honestly love how they added so many Mega Evolutions, all the XY mechanics (Aime, Super Training, PSS, Horde Battles, and all previous gens mechanics like infinite TMs or Triple Battles from BW), Soaring, updated areas (Scorching Slab, Mirage locations, New Mauville), improved Secret Bases, DexNav... and they also developed important characters much better with redesigns and better personalities and motivations. Even if I don't really love Zinnia or the multiverse in Pokemon, I have to admit the Deoxys event becoming part of the game was pretty damn cool and epic. It really feels they put a lot of passion that usually gets ignored for some features (which I do miss as well), and that's what pushed them back so much for later releases, just like how it happened back in Black/White.

[@luchotenks2310]

Preach it! FR/LG are so underrated, I still play them to this day. They set the gold standard for what newer Pokemon remakes should be. They gave us everything the originals did (minus the poor programming and glirches lol) and then some more with extra content post-game, upgraded graphics and connectivity features.

[@rogue1248]

i dont know if kids back then ever cared about the Fame Checker or Teachy TV.

[@rpgfanatic9719]

I prefer yellow for easy access to all the Kanto Pokemon through normal means like all the starters and the rest like mew through glitches. It also has an excite bike mini game. Also I agree with your opinion of ORAS, where it felt like they made up for a lack of a frontier with those features unlike gen 5.

[@JoshArtisto]

The main reason I didn't enjoy FRLG was because it was the 4th time I went back to Kanto (I played Red, then Yellow, then Gold, then Leaf Green). Even though there are some differences, I was just so sick of Kanto at that point. But I do agree that FRLG were the best way to play that region

[@funninoriginal6054]

The reason people dont really talk about those "additions" is that they aren't unique to the remakes, only ported over from the other games from the gen. Its why following pokemon from HG/SS and the new megas exclusive to OR/AS are so praised. If you exclude the stuff already on gen 3 games, the only unique contribution FR/LG made to the originals were the sevii islands and the updated E4 teams. Thats not to say these games are bad though, i agree that they're by far the best gen 1 experience

[@ultimatehope549]

I think ORAS is the last Pokémon game I’ve played until Arceus that I felt genuinely happy playing. I was having fun, enjoying using the team I had and seeing the sights and how they reconstructed the towns I had seen in Ruby when I was a kid into something familiar yet new and beautiful. Every game since then has just been boring and an absolute slog to play through. XY is a game I have a hard time going back to, so without ORAS, I’d have a negative opinion of Gen 6 as a whole. Remakes should build upon the main game and serve as a definitive entry in the series, not a lazy “faithful” cash grab. BDSP have ruined the word “faithful” for me.

[@luchotenks2310]

If ORAS had the battle frontier, PC stats judge, hyper training and mints, I honestly wouldn't have had a reason to move to gen 7 and beyond. That game was so close to being perfect.

[@Jjjr-]

So basically oras is bad remake cause it did somethings different??? The dex nav is one of the best features, mega evolution is great, the eon flute was the best flying feature I mean it did its own thing and people loved it

[@bdel80]

I've played lots of gen3 R/S/E. I do like OR/AS too. No complaints from me.

[@yarc9]

Oras sucks there's no challenge in that game

[@yarc9]

Mega evolution sucks why do you need mega evolutions all you need to do is buff pelliper with drizzle hurricane

[@kimjongil9840]

@@yarc9 you can sweep the entire game with just blaziken. It’s pretty pathetic what this franchise has become.

[@Chadfill8348]

@@yarc9 GF: Did you say giant pelliper with max hurricane?

[@frogsnidget_7345]

I think I really enjoyed Omega Ruby despite my first ever game being Emerald. I think it brought me back to my childhood but gave me new ways to interact with my favourite world and build new teams with new type and stats.

[@jamiesmithvox]

Couldn’t disagree more about your take on ORAS

[@compatriot852]

HeartGold and SoulSilver are the pinnacles of what a remake should be like.

[@reio1951]

Doesn't it still have a lot of gen 2's major issues tho. I mean it isn't HGSS's fault that Gen 2 was so bad but it doesn't change the fact that them being unfixed makes the game worse as a whole.

[@luchotenks2310]

@@reio1951 What issues exactly?

[@reio1951]

@@luchotenks2310 bad level curve, a weak regional dex filled with a lot of weak pokemon, weak designs and an over reliance on Kanto pokemon. The region is also quite boring in the same way that Kanto is, due to the original being on the gameboy the regions were basically just Squares with roads intersecting it but without having the excuse of being the first game and while also being a remake that could've changed it, it's much more of an issue. The story is also probably the weakest in the entire series, don't get me wrong, every pokemon games story is pretty bad or non existant so it didn't really affect my enjoyment of Crystal all that much, but yet again something worth noting that wasn't altered in a remake that contributes it to not being "the pinnacle of remakes".

[@luchotenks2310]

@@reio1951 I see, in hindsight I agree on most of those points specially the bad level curve. Still, for me at least, the HGSS remakes made up for all of those shortcomings with a handful of cool features like cross-generational compatibility via Pal Park (and without the 24 hour restriction of DPP), an amazing post-game in the form of battle frontier and the safari zone, shortcuts in the graphic interface and other quality of life improvements, the availability of move tutors and TMs, re-spawning roaming Pokemon, upgraded breeding mechanics, the Elite Four now having 6 Pokemon above level 60 as they always should have, and all the accumulated upgrades the main games of the franchise had seen so far like the physical/special split, abiiities with field effects, GTS, etc. Not to mention that walking Pokemon and the occasional photograph with your team did a lot to solidify the immersion and the bond between you and your Pokemon unlike any other main series game till that point.

[@reio1951]

@@luchotenks2310 Yeah I'm aware of all that. As I tried to convey in my wording, I've only played Crystal but I recently bought Soul Silver and I'm excited to play it, I just feel like it gets a bit too much praise from what I can see sometimes and doubt it will be the best Pokémon game, definitely still a great one though.

[@EngineerDJ_Julius]

I don't even want to imagine the gen 5 remake

[@moxxy9249]

I do gamefreak outsourced bdsp to focus on pla and gen 9 hopefully they don't outsource Gen 5

[@golemofwill4728]

ORAS is peak pokemon for me. Battle frontier sucks not coming back but the secret bases and making your own gyms? awesome! tons of legends and an interesting postgame. The game felt like a love letter to sapphire and ruby players like me. Lati twins being free was fine by me as roaming legendaries were a tired concept by then. The teams felt better done and the new designs were great.

[@rogue1248]

roamers are a whole lot better it you can spot them and not from a random encounter, take the Galar Birds for example.

[@rpgfanatic9719]

They should have made you catch it though as a stationary. They also could have added roaming as a little difficulty option because it can be exhilarating if you're in the mood for it.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

@@rogue1248 Yep, the Galar birds are the peak of this concept.

[@cupie2255]

Imagine being mad about not having to spend *hours* on an annoying mechanic to capture a pokemon, when they compensated for it with that amazing soaring mechanic, where you got to travel across the region and look at all the landmarks from another view point.

[@BG_Just_Me]

ORAS are my favourite games! I do have to admit that some parts are a little unfortunate but the remake really does a great job at integrating old, familiar places and the new mechanics.

[@Sonicfan640]

Wow, that ORAS segment was probably one of the most melodramatic things I've watched

[@Orangeninja5000]

Not gonna lie, if your friend quit because they got a free Latios...that is entirely their fault, not the fault of the game. While yes, getting Latios was a bit too excessive, quitting over that? Nah.

[@TheUltimaOblivion]

Dude's quitting the game because one event isn't RNG based like in the past makes me think about how the industry as a whole conditions us to think that layers of RNG in a game is actual content instead of being artificial content. At least Lati@s wasn't handled to us in a Pokémon Center by a random NPC like mythical Pokémon are and later in the game they become relevant because of Soaring lmao

[@Lawrence741]

I didn't quit because of that, but considering the effort to catch a truly rare pokemon in the originals, it felt bs to get those legendaries handed over like that. I would never try to make a hunt again like in the originals so making it more accessable is fine. Looking back my little self had much more excitement for this stuff. Still I actually really enjoy the remakes, but the Latios/Latias stuff rubbed me the wrong way.

[@Orangeninja5000]

@@Lawrence741 I can understand not liking the idea of receiving one that early, I get you. But it seems a childish reason to stop playing when people have - for years - adjusted the difficulty of Pokemon to suit them. I was doing a challenge run in ORAS, and the Latias didn't fit the rules, so I just released it

[@rebelangel9572]

@@Lawrence741 latios/latias wasn't worth looking for so in oras I actually appreciated it being handed to me. Why waste my time on a pokemon that wasn't great to start with

[@Lawrence741]

@@rebelangel9572 I do agree. But it was like 16 years ago when I played it and I was still a child with not a lot of knowledge about all pokemon. So I tried atleast to get every pokemon possible. Today I think pretty much the same like you.

[@thepokekid01]

The argument that "Pokemon for Kids" is SLOPPY and BAD, especially coming from a Nintendo channel. Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Smash Brothers, all these Nintendo titles have no problems being made for kids without alienating older audiences. I mean, all this comes ahead when you just LOOK at the promotional videos and ads for Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl, they EXPLICITLY say they are made to capitalize on the nostalgia of people that have played those games in the past! How are you going to jump from an argument of confused nostalgia and modernization and immediately argue after "Must be for new generations". The problem isn't that who the games are for or what decisions are being made to bring forwards into the franchise but that they aren't really given enough time to fully develop and test these ideas and truly build on the games in the past. Mario is getting marketed more than ever to a new generation of kids, through more toys, dolls, even lego kits, and movies, but what would be the biggest mistake for them ever would be to only make Mario 64-style or NSMB games every year with alternating years from that point on. The Developers need the space to let their ideas breed and grow, never mind that would shrink Mario's audience as there are games like Mario Kart, Paper Mario, and Mario Party (Mario Sports, etc) that can fill a mainline Mario spot, and sell the franchise without one of those games needing to be made. Meanwhile they stay timeless and actually can be re-released or remade, not made as disposable as something like a Later Megaman game where the audience for a Megaman 2 remake would be larger than the audience for Megaman 4 or 5. Pokemon needs SERIOUS investment in the games department. It is getting serious investment, but it is hard to see where it will go or if it will continue because not only does it need it's own Mario Kart, Mario Party, Paper Mario title that is big enough to carry the franchise, even if collectively that year, but they need co-current mainline titles like Pokemon Go and Unit to potentially carry the series forwards if fans do get mad at one or two of the other mainline content streams. The second that you've decided to no longer include every pokemon is the second you started to endanger your franchise, because in that way Pokemon isn't Mario, if Monte Mouse or Fly Guy never show up again in 20 years or so, it's not a problem, but if it is Pachirisu, or Zekrom, or Lucario, or more specifically a very popular Pokemon like Greninja, you are giving players reasons to not play upcoming games, to not invest themselves emotionally in coming aspects of the franchise. That is going to give diminishing effects, and you multiply that by hundreds of exclusions and you have problems. Personally, I think if Pokemon is to adapt, they might be better off becoming a live game, something like the Anime where the player is sent all over to have adventures, having nostalgic fun returning to old places with old pokemon, and new exciting fun seeing places they've never been, with regions operating like different countries with different rules and presentations, trickled out among a 4-5 year spread of time, maybe even extended further if it is successful. However, the base game needs to be meaty enough to not feel like an initial compromise to the gamer, with many things to do, and many things added for them to do to come, while also getting a battle system change that reflects this different form of gameplay. It needs that actual big upgrade from being thought of and developed as a portable game title, and truly upgraded into a console level game (I mean, this is Nintendo's fault, but that is part of the problem, games are still being developed like they are running on the 3DS, just as an HD version). it's not just more money invested that is going to do that, but developers are going to actually need more time too. That is why we should get something like a new Pokken in 2022, a new Mystery Dungeon, Legends Arceus and maybe other new ideas like that, (Pokemon Ranger was one, New Pokemon Snap was another, maybe there should and could be more), give the upcoming game extra time to get polish, but not only polish, but full features again, not just a disposable streamlined quick and dirty game like Sword and Shield, or even Let's Go to a degree, that is made to be replaced the next year like it is Assassin's Creed or Madden.

[@phillipredgrave5745]

This was so well put together, I really enjoyed it! Thanks!

[@joltx9909]

ORAS feels to me like the exact middle point. while FRLG and HGSS improved everything upon their originals and lets go and BDSP were a downgrade, ORAS is not either way - it has its qualities while losing some things that made the originals great. but really, after BDSP every single remake including the lets go games seems better

[@KidPrarchord95]

The Let's Go games are actually really really good. They're just a lot different from the usual main-series stuff.

[@joltx9909]

@@KidPrarchord95 I admit - after bdsp I grew to like lets go, but I still prefer to go through kanto in the gen 3 games

[@rpgfanatic9719]

Not really a middle point. Just no battle frontier and gambling. It's like 30% of a step back and the rest forward because you cannot deny they add a lot of shit to ORAS.

[@joltx9909]

@@rpgfanatic9719 The dex nav is probably my favorite from the new additions

[@rpgfanatic9719]

@@joltx9909 Mine is the improved secret base system.

[@Frysbear]

Delta episode is so hype. One of my favorite parts in a pokemon ever. The point you made about rare pokemon not being rare anymore is SUCH a problem. Even though they've improved some aspects of it in the sword and shield DLC and Legends... it's still a problem. in Arceus it's cool because a lot of the legendaries are limitied to post game and some of them even have fun things like only appearing in a thunderstorm and trying to fight you off if you get close. The main issue for me is you are normally given a marker and told to go to a location and bam there it is. The manaphy quest in arceus might be a little too far in the vague how was I supposed to figure this out direction. But I prefer it to being told to go to a cave and claim your prize.

[@rogue1248]

ok

[@jbcatz5]

Admittedly the free Lati in ORAS does remove the need for the Fly HM (Hoenn and Sinnoh being infamous for HMs required to navigate the overworld and caves) and makes flying more interesting than simply the fast travel mechanic it had previously been and would return to being. The entries following ORAS, both new games and remakes, would find ways to work around the traditional HM system through region specific mechanics such as BDSP using a Poketch app to summon Pokémon to perform the HM task.

[@jo6re3]

I remember causing a mini stampede by calling out “CHARIZARD!” during the PoGo craze. That was something lol

[@tetchedtoe7832]

I am so glad you made that video especially with the quality that the most recent Remake came out in. Also I love all the remake especially oras.

[@MalevolentMinun]

I just wonder how the actual hell they're going to approach remakes of Gen 5. The biggest issue being that B2W2 weren't enhanced versions akin to Yellow, Emerald etc BUT were actually sequels, with different main characters, a different story that took place 3 years later and even new locations. Do they remake BW and leave out the expanded story involving Kyurem and the DNA Splicers/Neo Plasma? I just don't see how they're going to pull that one off without hurting the legacy of Unova, since B2W2 was such a fantastic follow up and people will NOT be okay with 2 remakes, equaling 4 games again. Unless it becomes DLC? But that alone creates problems where it would be entirely separate as you start the games off again from a new location, I just have no clue 😓 Also, if they go with the trend of removing the Battle Frontier and do the same by not including the PWT, people will lose their SHIT 😬

[@torresworries]

You're correct, and knowing Game Freak, they might only do remakes to the first B/W games, sadly.

[@mussolini2525]

Why not do b/w 3 lol

[@pri3m455]

Ok I will say I’m kind of biased here because Gen 5 are my favorite games EVER but here’s my 2 cents: I really don’t believe that they are going to remake BW for a very long time because they don’t pale in comparison to quality towards the newer games in terms of technical and quality of life improvements. BW2 where pretty much send offs to the DS games as a whole and don’t have anywhere near the holes of say D/P As for how they will approach it when the day does come I would assume that they would remake just B/W and try to keep some elements of BW2 like putting other generations Pokémon and a PWT in some form. One thing I HOPE they experiment with is the difficulty modes that worked so well in BW2😤

[@mussolini2525]

@@pri3m455 Gen 4 and 5 are tied for my favorites and they botched 4 so I pray the 5 will be good but I dont have my hopes up :(

[@rogue1248]

it could be better if Gen 5 did a Legends game instead. maybe then we'll get to see the whole Original Dragon, it would be great if it was Dragon/Fairy because dragons are from myths and folklore.

[@c.w.simpsonproductions1230]

In my opinion, Firered and Leafgreen are the best and most definitive Kanto experience.

[@kawaiidere1023]

It’d be nice if they ported the originals so they’re accessible

[@rogue1248]

actually, a leak suggested right now that Gen 3 may be getting a port on the switch. there still in testing phases however.

[@GonzoGoesToBitburg87]

BDSP is so faithful they even carried the bugs from the original

[@whowantstotalkaboutmurders4177]

ORAS was honestly my favorite remake. Not only were there so many contents that weren't from the original I really liked all the character glow ups they did, especially Archie which I believe has the best glow up. It was like the opposite of BDSP which was, in my opinion, a boring remake that offered absolutely nothing new to gen 4.

[@lagspike7763]

Though I understand the perspective, I cannot help but disagree with the main premise. QoL is worthwhile and it does add to games. Without QoL, we'd still be at one bag section with an awful UI stat screen, clunky PC box mechanics, no shortcuts for using key items, limited use TMs, an annoyingly large number of required HMs, and so much more that just does not make the game more enjoyable for me. I think that the ORAS ideology of taking the Hoenn region and reinventing it with loads of awesome QoL features, new mechanics, cool mega evolutions, and a visual overhaul of the entire cast's designs and new OST was really fun, and it's still my favorite game.

[@joewatson6178]

FR/LG still looks visually pleasing even today, maybe even better than the DS era. However HG/SS has a special place in my heart

[@KidPrarchord95]

For some reason, I just really don't like how the GBA games look.

[@joewatson6178]

@@KidPrarchord95 interesting, I think for me the cleanness of it makes it feel timeless and impossible to get outdated

[@ianboast9928]

I don't know about the being for Kids angle as there's some quality Children books out there. The Alex Rider series is a legit action spy novel series and can be read by almost anyone in my opinion.

[@TheAbsol7448]

Using the "it's a kids game" angle felt really condescending to me as a kid. I was 14 when ORAS came out, and I first played Emerald when I was 7. It just feels like a bad excuse for why a game is just too easy. I don't think Pokémon games should be aimed at small children. They should be aimed at people of all ages. They can be approachable to small children without insulting the intelligence of older and more experienced players.

[@Whurlpuul]

Scyther is available at the game corner, and Mr mime is available via trade in FRLG.

[@Chadfill8348]

29:58 "a perfect remake cannot exist" Shadow of the Colossus: Hold my beer

[@ircha]

This was an awesome video! A ton of work was put into this! 💯👍

[@andrewjackson6369]

Thank you for recommending this video

[@willemhilhorst9552]

Hey Ircha. Thanks for the shout-out and compliment. Really appreciate it!

[@bdel80]

Came here due to Ircha post

[@Arcrobes]

Sent by Ircha! Great video!

[@HobGungan]

FRLG I think are pretty great games, and while I still prefer the original RB personally I think FRLG are better intros to Kanto for a modern audience. HGSS are simply my favorite Pokémon games period. And yes it is 90% because of walking Pokémon. I actually was very disappointed by ORAS because while I think they were better than RS they still had a lot of the same issues that made them inferior to Emerald. I do not own a Switch so I haven't played any games for that system and therefore can't judge.

[@tombystander]

It has its faults, but this franchise has consistently entertained me for 2.5 decades

[@unhhgcrxexhjvuvujchcrzwzwz7956]

The gen 2 remakes are the best games in the series honestly

[@DarkFoxKit]

While I respect your opinion that the games may not be made for us older Pokemon fans, I have to disagree with it. I'm in my 30s now, and I still love Pokemon, and likely always will, I've enjoyed every Pokemon game that had come out, even the ones that were seen as bad. But Pokemon Diamond and its remake were the only ones I couldn't stand and never want to revisit. I felt the same way about Pokemon Shining Pearl as I did to Pokemon Diamond way back then. I enjoyed Pokemon Let's Go even though I didn't play it as much as other Pokemon games. My point is that the argument that people who are growing up or are already adults still enjoy Pokemon, and can't be expected to just leave the franchise behind simply because 'it's not made for us anymore'. As the saying goes 'you're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are just kids grown up, anyway."

[@tetchedtoe7832]

Im also anger about the new remake mostly for all the glitches and lack luster content compared to past remake and I feel like they did not do justice to this gen remake which is my favorite gen. I also do not agree with you that the game are not for you any more. But I do agree that some of the problems that some people are say about the remake are reasonable. Basically with these new remake we did not reach the quality of past remake just for a quick cash grab from the game companies. In my opinion the new remake are the worst pokemon games to come out in a main line pokemon ever.

[@mannysilver211]

You mean BDSP yes?

[@tetchedtoe7832]

@@mannysilver211 yes

[@mannysilver211]

@@tetchedtoe7832 Yeah, that's more than a fair enough opinion, they could've did more and incorporate the best of all three versions but instead it's just a glorified remastered cash grab of diamond and pearl which at that point you may as well play platinum or the original versions, because BDSP didn't even bother to improve upon the foundations of it's predecessors the way Heart gold ,soul silver, or Oras did, instead it just slapped a way to get platinum dex pokemon and the fairy type , made one of the toughest elite fours to date whilst at the same time neglecting their platinum teams and called it a day.

[@cdn1024]

I love the way you think/write.

[@carlyates8005]

His mate giving up on ORAS because latios/latias was being given to him too easy is the dumbest reason I have ever heard of someone not finishing the game lol 🤦‍♂️

[@TheZebbga]

One argument I have never really liked with Pokemon is when people talk about how they are too easy and people go "Pokemon was never hard" or "Pokemon has always been for kids, you have just grown up". Okay, the first one. If Pokemon was "never hard" then why are we making it even easier? Like can someone honestly tell me that BDSP was harder than Diamon, Pearl or Platinum. Like.... C'mon, there has clearly been an effort to make the games much easier. I am not saying Pokemon Emerald or Platinum or whatever games are like Dark Souls difficult or anything because yes, they weren't known for being hard, but it is ridiculous to claim newer games have the same level of difficulty. I am not even saying that is inherently worse, just it is clear. Pokemon could really benefit from having a difficulty setting to be honest. The other one is that Pokémon may have a target audience of kids but I garuntee that if only kids were playing the franchise would be performing worse. Adults enjoy and play it and our opinions should be respected and not silenced with "well it isn't for you". If it is truly not for adults I don't get why there is so much Gen 1 nostalgia in the series, kids now didn't grow up with those games so who is that for? What I am saying isn't me just demanding Pokemon be what I want because it is the highest grossing media franchise in the world, it is clearly for everyone. So that makes me want the series to appeal to as many people as possible, keeping the long time fans invested and the new.

[@rogue1248]

didn't Gen 5 had difficulty settings before? it could be great if they brought that back, improved it (like Casual mode = Easy, Professional mode = Normal mode and Kaizo mode = Hard mode) and NOT be locked in version exclusives!!

[@TheZebbga]

@@rogue1248 It did yes, but as you said, it was locked to versions and a feature called key swapping. It was the dumbest way to add a difficulty mode.

[@TheZebbga]

@@charnalk5572 I agree with some points and disagree with others. First of all when I say "newer games" I am thinking X and Y onwards. I don't consider Black and White/Black and White 2 to be new games anymore and I honestly think they are the peak of the franchise and my issues with Pokemon arnt to be found in them. But I do disagree in the sense that with Sword and Sheild and BDSP you can't turn off the EXP Share and your Pokémon are gaining levels for being in your party. Yes, you can turn it off in X and Y up until Ultra Sun and Moon but I still think for the most part the games are still easier. Also yeah, you can avoid Ammi and Refresh modes but to have to avoid a mode to make the game easier just feels backwards too me. But yeah, the battling it's self isn't necessarily easier if you could take all of those factors out but the sad part is they are still factors and the trainers in the game never force me into a challenge. Like still to this day, Cynthia is a challenge for me and from what I remember a few trainers in Gen 5 stood as a real challenge but I can breeze through Gen 6 - 8 without breaking a sweat. Diantha, Steven, Kukui, Leon and Cynthia in BDSP stood no chace but replaying Platinum just recently.... She is a hard fight. Now yes, I agree with what you said about the dungeons but I would say it is the difficulty but this type of difficulty could not be changed with a east mode. Sword and Sheild are the worst for dungeons but Gen 7 is probably bad because I found them so boring that I cabt even remember them. I agree witb the story and the linearity is a big reason I don't like Gen 7. I like a good story but I don't like being stopped every 2 secinds for the characters to tell me about it. Let me play the vame for god sake. Gen 2 had a pretty boring plot but the progression is good. Johto is small like you said but I don't mind it really and like how once you reach Ekruteak City you can do gym 5,6 and 7 in what ever order you want. But as a whole, I don't think anyone could convince me that newer games (Gen 6 onwards) are harder than previous to that. Legends Arceus is an exception and I hope it is signs of what is to come with Gen 9.

[@TheZebbga]

@@charnalk5572 I don't think you got this impression but just in case, I am not trying to say "Back in my day everything wad better and it should be like the past". No. Older generations had their own problems and Gen 1 especially had the reverse problem, being too hard at times but never because it was a fair challenge but just because it required some grinding. At the end of the day I can usually beat any Pokemon game without too much trouble, I don't think they are super hard and most the time which is fine, I am not asking them to be like Dark Souls hard. I just miss having to use my brain to play them. Like yeah, you can take steps to make the newer games harder or sure, but I don't want to have to try to make it hard, to me, that means they are easy games. Mega Evolutions, Z-Crystals and Dynamxing are all things that if you choose to not use them then the game is harder but they are a main feature of the games they are in. I want to use them but I feel they are just ballanced too poorly. I think the Totum Mimikyu is a good example of an extra challenge due to its ability, making you potentially waste your Z-Move if you have been over reliant on them, but a few noteable examples don't fix the problem as a whole. I really don't want to comment on the base Diamond and Pearl because I played Diamond in 2007 and ever since then only played Platinum so my memory isn't clear but I can't imagine BDSP being harder than Diamond and Pearl but it certainly isn't harder than Platinum. As I said, you can't turn off the EXP in BDSP and there is really no way to mitigate that. What am I supposed too do? Only travel with one Pokemon through the whole game? I feel like haveing to take drastic steps to avoid the ease is a sign that it is too easy. I mean heck, I had the lucky Egg in Platimum so my Pokemon were a comfortable level through most the game but Cynthia was still a challenge. I didn't lose, but I had to try. Like yes, I don't want to have to grind away for levels but at the same time they have gone way to far in the other direction to appeal too much to kids. Simply put, they should let me turn off the EXP share at the very least.

[@TheZebbga]

@@charnalk5572 But on the flip side to all this, the Volo fight in Legends Arceus is a fun challenge.

[@JayD001]

Loved this retorspective, really interesting perspective on the idea of a remake. I especially enjoyed the sound arguments you made without sounding condecending, you've got a new follower.

[@mjwillin]

This videos deserves more recognition

[@soulden77]

Great video! Ircha Gaming sent me!

[@tk24life]

HGSS could have been in the running for the best games in the franchise if not for the bad level curve and the lack of team building variety. All of the Gen 2 Pokemon should have been in Jhoto at the very least. Better access to evolution stones would have been nice as well. I think this makes them the most disappointing remakes. We always call newer games lazy but how hard would it have been to fix these problems? ORAS could have been excellent as well if they weren't so easy. I'm not a fan of the new EXP share but at the very least, moving it to after the 8th badge to prevent pre-elite 4 grinding would have worked. Or just adding EXP after the 8th badge. People forget how tedious that grind can be. People always hate on newer Pokemon games but at least they do a better job with level scaling. I don't mind the Latios/Latias situation so much. Catching roaming legendaries wasn't so much a challenge so much it was tedious. Plus I tend to not use legendaries in my play throughs anyway. I don't see how this is any worse than the Level 70 Rayquaza you get access to before the 8th badge in Emerald that can sweep the Elite 4 and Champion by itself. The battle frontier would have been nice though. Fire Red and Leaf Green benefit from being in Kanto. It's one of the best regions in terms of team building variety due to lack of linear progression and buyable evolution stones. That being said, the way forward for remakes is more deviation from the originals. If I want the experience of the original games, I can just play the original games. There is more access to older Pokemon games than ever before. Plus there isn't as much to fix like there was in the original RBY.

[@funninoriginal6054]

HG/SS is kinda forgivable as, while they still stuck with some bad design decisions dating back to the originals, they did fix some of the bad pokemon placement with the safari zone, the level griding to Red with the gym leader/E4 rematches and the variety with being able to evolve some pokemon to their evos introduced in later gens (albeit some are stupidly locked behind the natdex, like Togekiss). Still agree with your points though

[@Makocat]

While I do still enjoy the games, I'm not into playing them as they are the current thing. And with the advancements in emulation, fear of missing out is no longer an issue to me.

[@brunette3cookie]

I played Gen 3, then 2, then 1, then 4, then 5, then 7, then 6. I loved ORAS, going into it thinking I would hate it. The Exp. Share being given to you makes sense as a lot of people never knew to go back to Devon Corp after delivering the letter to Steven in Dewford. I agree being gifted a Mega Legendary is too easy but the remakes are still fantastic. Team Magma and Aqua were far more fleshed out and made it more immersive. The Delta Episode was awesome and explained Rayquaza, unlike Ruby and Sapphire where you just randomly found a Green death dragon post-league if you wandered around Pacifidlog for some reason. If you hate otherworldly, you should HATE Gen IV based on Cyrus and the legendaries. Also, Emerald irks me. Replacing Steven made me so mad. Imagine if Volkner was Champion in Platinum and Cynthia was some random chick that shows up sometimes. Not cool with that at all? That is how I feel about Emerald.

[@aurafox1]

I think a boost to the reasoning for the creation of FRLG is to try and convince players of Gen I of the advantages that Gen III had to offer. Let's not undermine just how many major QoL improvements Ruby and Sapphire made for the series as a whole.

[@rogue1248]

isnt FRLG's reason was because GBC and the GB arent capable of transferring on the GBA so they had to make a remake so that everyone can access the Kanto and Johto mons which gave rise to the Advanced 386.

[@evilevie87]

I've been revisiting this series and really I have a reinvigorated love. Really, I don't need remakes to be much like the originals because I see them as standalone games. Even when my beloved gen 5 gets remade I'll always have the originals to go back to, and it already applies to gen 4 for me. Although, I haven't bought a Pokemon game since Moon but I'm starting to love it all again.

[@asiatichebrew5100]

As a child of gen 1 and 2 my heart goes out to the children of gen 4. Yall deserved way better than that. I truly fear for the gen 5 remakes bcuz it was the gen that got me back into pokemon

[@Nesque]

I found ORAS extremely charming, with a lot of "grown-up features" like being able to get a pokemon with egg moves, hidden powers and great IV's just by going around capturing pokemon the game feels a lot more aimed towards adults than children. Though I'll say the difficulty isn't quite there, even though the global exp share is GREAT for EV training and such (more "grown-up features") It felt amazing to find the perfect pokemon I played with as a kid and just turn it into an absolute beast with very little time investment.

[@Hobby_Technology]

I haven't finished the video yet but I want to say that the anecdote about ORAS was precisely my Omega Ruby experience. I've played hundreds of hours of Emerald. I can confidently say it's my favorite Pokemon game and every month or so I restart and play through the whole region again because it's that comforting and it's that much of a great experience. Meanwhile, I've never finished my copy of Omega Ruby. I got about 4 badges or so and it's just been gathering dust since then.

[@Dark-Flame_Master]

2:53 This made me laugh more than I want to admit. 🤣

[@adamdewitt6430]

As a first-generation fan, I have been pleased with the remakes I have played so far. I enjoy the older Pokemon being brought into the "current" generation with new moves, typing assignments, and mechanics; new life is breathed into them. I've been playing BDSP since release, and have been thoroughly enjoying them. They fix what is my biggest gripe regarding next-gen releases - accessibility to previous generations of Pokemon. The two games together include all Pokemon up to Gen 4. No buying extra consoles or older game cards (if you want to pay the currently INSANELY inflated prices); no trudging through older games and lengthy, complicated trading mechanisms to get them. I (more or less) find them in the Grand Underground, with a few in the overworld.

[@e-readme]

Good video! Thing I never understood about the lati gift in oras is that you were given a lati so you could soar around, but then they didn't let you soar until the end of the game?? So you annoy those people who don't want a lati gift, and annoy those who wanted the lati gift so they could do the soaring.

[@XK49]

I would even go so far as to say that Pokemon Go is single handedly responsible for making everyone using their phone at every opportunity normalized. I remember looking at pedestrians and the ones glued to their phone always stood out as “pokemon goers.” Now you’d be hard pressed to see anyone in a waiting room, line, or walking down the street without their head down looking at their cell phone.

[@Ryanmiller70]

Watched this after finishing Let's Go Pikachu, which I really liked as a casual fan of the series that's been around since gen 2. While a look at the comments tells me people disagreed with your final statement, I felt it's very true for, not just Pokemon, but many long running gaming franchises. People have a hard time letting go of something that used to bring them so much joy when they were younger and that always saddens me since it's not really something I can relate with. I tend to just relax when playing games after work, so games like Pokemon getting easier or more focused on story appeals to me more now than it would have back when the only thing I had to worry about was if I got a good grade on my history test.

[@VixenLovelove]

Despite gen 4 being my first Pokémon game I just have no interest in the remake. I liked playing leaf green and heartgold since they were my first experiences with those regions. I was lucky enough to play sapphire from an older friend later so I embraced the changes in the remakes, course I’m not into battling so the lack of battle tower didn’t effect me. I feel like I’ve already spent so many hours with Pearl there’s no point playing the remake if it’s the exact same, ultra sun had more changes. But I honestly don’t mind cause I think Pokémon legends is a much more nostalgic and enriching experience for gen 4 players. I love walking around and seeing seeing what’s familiar and what’s not and really testing my memory. Like I was so giddy when I recognized the sound of the flute or found where giratina’s lair would be in the future. Honestly the long periods of time I’ve been sinking into the game completing the Pokédex while watching tv brings me back to when I did the same thing as a kid. Fingers crossed Gen 5 might get a similar game like legends.

[@rogue1248]

right??? the magic of Gen 4 can never be realized on the new one.

[@vladprus4019]

Also, there is this thing that games are aging slower and slower, so remakes like that feel less and less needed.

[@B.27y]

I think the only one who didn't like ORAS was your friend. After ORAS Sun and Moon was the last good game and we don't talk about everything after that 💀

[@carlitobrigante4845]

I don't understand the easier = better for newcomers thing. Why would someone new to a franchise, a game that is ridiculously easy to the point that is boring? Even if that someone is a child. For me it would be a very negative point, especially if that's all I know about the franchise.

[@itsagabe]

I know a lot of people love ORAS and its new features to bits, but here's an unpopular opinion that I think a lot of old-school fans will agree with: the gen 3 remakes would've been better if they were done in gen 5, which is unarguably the pinnacle of the franchise's pixel art and old-school content philosophy.

[@EmeralBookwise]

It always seems to come down to the Exp Share as the go to punching bag for why modern Pokémon games supposedly suck. Personally though the lack of Exp Share is consistently the biggest reason I find it hard to go back to older games. I loved the introduction of the new full party wide Exp Share as a key item in X/Y, not because it made my team over-leveled, but because it made it easy to get any new Pokémon I caught along the way up to speed, and with a regional dex of 450 Pokémon, there was always something new to catch on every route. Because I was constantly rotating my team, none of my Pokémon even got over-leveled to begin with, and that's the real trick of it. Getting around triple the exp gain means being able to train triple the amount of Pokémon without any need to resort to grinding. Of course it also can mean getting over-leveled, if the player only ever sticks to a single team of six, but the same was equally true back in the older games if only ever using couple mons, as almost anyone who has done a starter only "challenge" run knows. Even type disadvantage aren't enough to slow down a juiced up starter, which by end game can easily be 20+ levels higher than the league champion. The problem as I see it is that players just got overly used to planning out their entire playthrough teams in advance. I always see people posting teams of six before the games even come out, seemingly with the clear intent to use ONLY those six for the entire run, and maybe that made sense before the party wide Exp Share, as it was the best way to cut down on grinding. New mechanics, however, should be approached with new play styles. In games with such a wide and ever growing variety creatures to choose from, why limit yourself to only a narrow subset? Embrace the extra exp. If any one Mon starts getting over-leveled, trade it out and experiment with something else for a while. You could even discover new favorites along the way you might otherwise have overlooked.

[@maximumbeans9310]

That’s great and all for people who play like you, but this overlooks just how simple it is to give people choice again. Why is it so hard to just make it an item that can be turned on and off again? There was no issue with the older games by sticking to a consistent team of 6 more or less throughout the entire game. Hell, titles like Platinum can be a struggle even when you don’t rotate out anybody at all and stay with a consistent team right until endgame. The games’ structure is still pretty much the same so their deciding to make the exp share constant and permanent doesn’t really seem to have a strong ethos.

[@EmeralBookwise]

@@maximumbeans9310: Any game can always be made harder through the use of self-imposed challenges. While I would still agree that having in-game options to make the game harder could make the game more appealing to "hardcore" players, I would disagree with any assertion that those kinds of options are essential. Truly hardcore players will always find a way to make anything HARDCORE.

[@maximumbeans9310]

@@EmeralBookwise That isn't what I'm trying to assert, as I actually don't mind the baseline difficulty of most games. I don't usually impose my own challenges or try to make the games more hardcore, but as the games have never been that hard to begin with, the permanent exp share feels like a really unnecessary addition and I don't understand why they're moved in the opposite direction of choice to no choice as opposed to keeping it more open for players.

[@EmeralBookwise]

@@maximumbeans9310: fair enough. What I will say is that "difficulty" or more specifically the features and settings that can make a game easier or harder can very much be about crafting an experience. Exp Share is a feature that is very much conducive to using a wider variety of Pokémon and swapping them around to meet different encounters or even just to experiment. A very specific play style to be sure, but one that also very much feels in line with the old catchphrase, _"Gotta Catch'em All!"_ Admittedly, I think the Exp Share should have remained optional, but I can see how removing that option is like the devs making a statement of intent. Of course it's up to each player whether to embrace the mechanics a game presents them with or chafe against them. Just maybe though, next time you or any one else reading this is playing any of the games with Exp Share, maybe consider experimenting, maybe see what it feels like to play with a larger rotating team. Maybe it won't suit you, maybe you'll still hate the feature, but maybe you might find a new way to enjoy the game... ...or not, it's all your choice.

[@maximumbeans9310]

@@EmeralBookwise Yeah I do agree that it can be encouragement to mix up playstyle for the right players who are receptive of it. I also played through Shield recently, and while overall I didn't like the full-party exp, it didn't completely ruin the structure of the game like some people claimed. As long as I didn't hang around in some areas to grind, it stayed fairly consistent.

[@Static1Bolt]

One great thing about the older remakes were that they always improved upon or created new sprites. FRLG redid every gen 1 sprite and HGSS did many new sprites for all Pokémon. Obviously with 3D there wasn’t a point to redo the models, but it just allows more appreciation for the effort put into the older remakes.

[@nobleskywalker4639]

I actually think looking back on it in 2022. The let's go games did so much in terms of pokemon mechanics ans presentation. It's the first game with pokemon in the overworld. Pokemon companions were back and need to be back in every game GF, Protagonist and cutscenes that actually make the protagonist character emote accordingly( looking at you sun and moon protag), removal of HMs in Kanto and so on.

[@ljmax8693]

ORAS as a Mega Evolution freak is perfect remkae for me. I couldn't finish Ruby back in a days. I just got bored of this game. #rd gen wasn't my favourite, but ORAS made me love Hoenn.

[@tommymaxey2665]

One reason why I like remakes is it gives new players the opportunity to the play these games without having to find the original game and hardware second hand. And the quality of life changes are great, I honestly don't even like playing the original red and blue because of how old it is. The remakes solve a lot of issues and make it so much easier to play

[@jogymogy3691]

I am still angry that I missed the Gen1 Remakes and Emerald.

[@GizamimiPichu]

omg route 113 in the background

[@aram69420]

I absolutely love HG&SS remake. The feature that make pokemon follow you around is the best thing that ever happened and I feel cheated that they don't do it for later entry. And HG&SS might actually be my favorite pokemon game in the franchise along with S&M, B&W, B&W2.

[@eazybuxafew]

I too 13 when Diamond and pearl first released. Man what a time

[@Themistertaco]

Wish they'd also release past games on the eshop

[@syxodude91]

I actually really loved ORAS!

[@dannygillmor2337]

Heart gold and soul silver were some of my favorite games

[@TheAbsol7448]

Honestly, I was so fucking disappointed with ORAS. I have insane amounts of nostalgia for Emerald, and I fully expected ORAS to meet the standards set by FRLG and HGSS. I expected it to either be a straightforward remake without that much change like FRLG, or to have a lot of new content _without removing old content_ like HGSS. I really liked the revamped secret bases and the postgame story with Zinnia, but I didn't like how they removed the Battle Frontier and turned Sky Pillar into a glorified series of ladders instead of turning it into an actual dungeon. They also removed the Game Corner instead of just changing it a little like ORAS did. The excuses they used for removing the Battle Frontier and for why the game is so much easier were both incredibly insulting. I didn't like how they tried comparing ORAS to mindless mobile games. And not ever mentioning the people who actually grew up with RSE felt very alienating. It really felt like they didn't really bother with trying to make ORAS the absolute definitive way to play through Hoenn, and that's really sad. You mentioned how HGSS respected the older fans, and it's so asinine that ORAS didn't do the same.

[@Casual-BeANs]

faithful remakes just don't really have any incentive to me. like, why pay 60 dollars for a game i already have just without any of the nostalgia.

[@evilgoose6768]

exactly, i think the remakes should try and be different

[@insaneoflex01]

FrLg&HGSS are top and ORAS is a distant second. If oras had a full battle frontier (and updated) it would be the best.

[@shogunender8752]

I honestly haven’t had the will to play hgss while I can respect and see the appeal I just sit down to play and know the mountain of gameplay that is to come. It’s to much I feel like so games like the 3rd gen games and remake were just amazing.

[@automaticcaptions]

I'm just waiting for excellent emerald and perfect platinum... My two fav pokemon games...

[@billfusion]

Does anyone think we will get a remake for Gen 2?

[@dennyytm]

i hope

[@bdel80]

No another gen1 remake LOL

[@pkmnproductions7461]

Gen 2 literally has remakes. Gen 5 is next y'all gens 1-4 fans had your turn.

[@silverbolt9439]

Gen 1 had 2 lol.

[@TheAbsol7448]

I think a proper modern remake of Gen 1 would be pretty cool. HGSS is fine as is, so I'd just like to see a re-release that fixes some issues, and maybe adds new content. Hoenn and Sinnoh need re-remakes the most. But they shouldn't happen anytime soon.

[@tristanking8813]

I have never disliked a Pokémon game, I just like some more than others.

[@SlamBolts]

What's so weird about BDSP being so low quality, is that it's low quality compared to the bar they set GameFreak themselves. Probably because it wasn't even developed by them in the first place.

[@Mafootion]

As someone who has played pokemon all my life, the biggest difference in the games was the difficulty. With and after X and Y the games have been significantly easier, the reduction in difficulty is the main reason I do not like the newer games. Dont get me wrong, I completely stomp the older games but it was a challenge at some point. It feels earned to me. Games after X and Y does not feel earned anymore. I do not feel like a champion, more like someone who just turned up one day and the league committee just voted me champion.

[@Cassapphic]

It says a lot that the first pokemon game I played was pokemon diamond, it was the second video game I ever beat after lego star wars, and when brilliant diamond anf shining pearl came out, they were the first pokemon games (except usum because they were too similar to sun/moon that I couldn't justify it to myself to buy the same game again) that I didn't get, I look at all of the trailers for bdsp and go "this doesn't look bad, but all it makes me want to do is pull out my DS again and play the original games". At least these remakes are ways to have the older experiences be at least somewhat presevered for people who don't have the older hardware, especially as old pokemon games are ridiculously expensive now. That said part of me would prefer more direct ports of a bunch of the older games to the switch for a relatively low price rather than a full price remake of one game every half decade.

[@omega-kiba7188]

I was struggling to find faith in the Pokémon franchise when Sword and Shield came and just started showing the complete lack of effort on the developers part, but when I saw just how much of bd&sp were just an exact copy & paste of with very minor new differences from the originals, that was the final straw for me. I’m not giving up Pokémon, as I will never be able to give up a series I grew up with and love so much, but it is definitely not the same anymore and I don’t know if it ever will be. Too much has changed and imo, not for the better and that just breaks my heart.

[@standlethemandle]

people seem to overdo the "annual release" thing there is no annual release for a new generation, new generations happen every 3 years spin-offs, yes but not full generational things also, remakes come out every two gens, not per gen

[@gameboyn64]

Having nuzlocked the shit out of bdsp, the limited tm uses is kind of an interesting feature to bring back. You have to manage your resources just like you did back in the day. You can't just say "you get earthquake, you get earthquake, you get earthquake..." Also, these games were built basically as spinoffs anyways not being the focal point of competitive battling. If you planned to optimize your pokemon, sword and shield are right there anyways.

[@HLRxxKarl]

You know, Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire were not the first games where the post-game had you catching a ton of legendaries. Heart Gold and Soul Silver had plenty of that too. They added Kanto legendaries to catch that weren't in the original games, Latios or Latias, and Groudon or Kyogre. Black 2 and White 2 had even more legendaries from outside their region. Cresselia, the whole lake trio, at least 2 Regis, and Latios or Latias again. And those are two of the games that fans regard as the best in the series. Obviously the problem isn't the legendary collectathon itself, but making it the only post-game content. I feel like that point wasn't clear enough. And I for one favor the story focused direction that ORAS went. I wouldn't call that an objectively bad thing. After all, Black and White are some of the most beloved games in the series because they're so story focused. I like how ORAS tried to offer something new and different that heavily modernized the original games, but you do make a good point that this wasn't balanced enough with keeping the spirit of the originals.

[@Sunaki1000]

You can say Go is the 7. return to Kanto if you count Special Editions and the Jotho Games in.

[@EugeneGM1]

As someone with kids and a full time job, I need the tools for rapid advancement. Yeah, there are portions of the games that are too easy, but I'm replaying Crystal, and damn. It's taking too long.

[@reio1951]

I'm sorry but the physical special split is a major gameplay mechanic, not even close to a quality of life feature. That'd be like calling mega evolution or dynamax a QOL feature.

[@healgoth]

15:09 they thought it treated new players like… new players? that’s the point(.) it’s like repeating a class for a better grade and then getting upset that the teacher is going over the basics for the people who are taking the course for the first time…

[@excalibur493]

The beginning of ORAS was one of the best things that I've seen in a pokemon game, and I'm not a big fan of Gen 6. ... my first game was Ruby lol

[@Prime_Rabbit]

I just wished there was a "pokemon master" difficulty for those who grew up with pokemon that gives gym leaders full teams with decent strategies they use against you and harder random trainers while also making the exp share togglable. You can keep the easier mode for new players while having the ability for experienced players to play something more difficult.

[@rogue1248]

try Kaizo mods, there the definition of Pokemon master difficulty.

[@m.a.7777]

Oras was the best of them all, the rarest shinies and the greatest pokemons i got with the online trading

[@williamdruetta]

The Gen 1 remakes on GBA were important for the other half of the hardcore fanbase, the shiny hunters/collectors, in a completely inverse way that RSE were for the hardcore competitive base. I quit Pokemon after finishing the 'dexes in RBY/GS because I couldn't transfer my teams upwards. FR/LG gave me a way to get my favorites back, and I've stayed since. If FR/LG hadn't come I probably wouldn't be here watching this now. Also I really liked the Latias/Latios Soaring. I didn't like Gen 3 on release, so maybe that's the divergent point.

[@TheRandomGuyTheFarNoGameCat]

I have a very weird relationship with the remakes. I prefer Gen 1 to FR/LG. I love HG/SS and really liked OR/AS. I played through Let's Go with the wife and we loved it. But I really feel half and half about BD/SP. 🤔