The Pontiac Fiero Was GM's Mid-Engine 1980s Sports Car

[@DIGITALSWOON]

i don't care how boxy it is, that's got to be one of the cleanest, easiest on the eyes interiors I've seen

[@AndieBlack13]

Agreed!....seen the interior of the C8 mid-engine Corvette?...what a cluster-fuck of a design. The interiors of the current sports-cars has adopted the same "surface entertainment" idea as their exteriors...the idea being that every square centimeter must "entertain" ....as such, it all looks busy, busy for no reason...

[@TheConfusedWumbologist]

Everything is to sleek nowadays. I want the retro style to return with modern cars. At least for a couple years.

[@HeelPower200]

The car has immaculate styling inside and out. It is a shame that the car is unreliable and actually qualith was meh.

[@AndieBlack13]

@@HeelPower200 Unreliable? I had an 85 5spd, 2.5L, commuted with it for 2 1/2 years...only issue was the steering column...many car and truck owners mistakenly use the steering-wheel as a handhold to get in & out...wearing out the tilt-function. Corvettes, Fieros and a bunch of pickup trucks, the trucks specifically, on a lifted truck that's the first thing you grab to get you inside.

[@mking9446I]

As soon as he got in I was like...dam I like it. Kinda reminds me of the 89 tbird I had in high school

[@Its.Mr.Bonelezz_Pizza]

Ahhh yes,Finally the C8 Corvette everyone was waiting for

[@zzygyy]

😂

[@YouStanceBro]

Lol what is Doug thinking 😂😂 like where the hell is the c8

[@Its.Mr.Bonelezz_Pizza]

YouStanceBro maybe he doesn’t have access to review one or maybe he wants to wait till it goes for sale

[@SaleProofCarReviews]

Hahaha!

[@YouStanceBro]

@@Its.Mr.Bonelezz_Pizza I highly highly doubt he can access one he does million dollar cars I bet dealerships are asking him to and he's not lol and that car channel Dounut already reviewed it

[@jimindetroit9461]

I had this exact car. My dad worked at the factory. He took me in and I followed my Fiero as it went down the line during assembly. Fun car to drive. A lot of memories with this car. Thanks for showing it

[@aj9777]

That's badass

[@chrissullivan4496]

8 gallon gas tank

[@blackholeentry3489]

@@chrissullivan4496 WRONG....10 gallons and the 88...12 gallons. My two 86's, with the 4 cyl engine routinely got 40 mpg....so, an easy 325+ mile range. My 88 has a 12 gallon tank, the V6 eats more gas, but still has an easy 250 mile range. Since 1988, a Fiero has been my primary transportation...besides my motorcycle....and, I recently turned 81.

[@chrissullivan4496]

@@blackholeentry3489 I had the GT I swear it only had 8 gallon tank

[@blackholeentry3489]

@@chrissullivan4496 I have shop manuals......10 gal on 87 and older, 12 gallon on 88 GT. One Fiero or another has been my primary 'driver' for 32 years, and am on my 3rd one now. Also, have a 58 GMC 3/4 ton for my aux transportation. My wife and I have lived 210 miles apart for 13 years (met her while on a motorcycle trip) and I tend to let the tank get low prior to refueling, have filled it many times taking 10 gallons to fill it and it was still running....although I sometimes carry an extra container of gas in the trunk just in case. On another front....NEVER bought a new car in my 81 year old life.....as my ex wife's uncle used to say, "Let someone else take the beating!" Have a clean 86 4cyl /5 speed Fiero sitting in my back yard in case you're interested.....and will also be selling the GMC after I use it to move. BHE

[@bobboberton1841]

I owned a 1986 Fiero GT many years ago. I loved it. It was faster than the HP would have you think. It could handle with most any car I have ever driven, and it just looked awesome. It definitely turned heads back in the day. I loved the pop up headlights, the sitting position, the way the front hood opened, and for that time the interior just looked so sweet. I still remember the lights in the backed lit up with PONTIAC and the PONT burned out. I had several people ask me what a TIAC was :). Speed wise an MR2 and RX7 would see my TIAC in bright letters when they challenged me. My biggest complaint was the tiny 10 gal gas tank that would run out at 9 gal, and I rarely got over 18MPG. To date one of my favorite cars I have ever owned.

[@Hypo327]

My '86 GT got 25mpg around town and 30-32mpg with the stock 2.8 V6, on the highway, depending on how I drove. I now have a 3800sc that gets about the same mileage. If the engine is tuned right and driven with reason, anyone can get good mileage out of them. Running synthetic Mobile-1 or equal, will always increase hp too, no matter how many miles are on it. Proper tunning is a must...!

[@anthonyamato6367]

No chance against a 5 liter back then.

[@RARufus]

I owned one too and the thing that surprised me was the speakers in the headrests. Also that it had a monocoque chassis, so the body panels were just bolted on. You could buy kits that made it look like a Testarossa, Countach or other exotic car.

[@ProtoAzula]

@@anthonyamato6367 fiero was never a straight line car, it was for cornering

[@Ruudiii]

"Sports Car", it wasnt exactly sporty to drive

[@kwirkLA]

"Now I'm gonna floor it...not terrible actually" *gives Acceleration a 1*

[@ethan1702]

Based on the Doug score, yes. In real life, not terrible

[@eternallyminded7]

1 sounds pretty terrible! 😄 Has he ever given a .25?

[@straben2666]

It's the freaking 3 speed auto, the 5 speed was way quicker

[@motaboat5187]

He mentions in some previous videos that anything that cant do 0-60 in under 7 seconds usually gets a 1. The Fiero gt is roughly around 8 seconds I believe.

[@straben2666]

@@motaboat5187 It just seems wrong, 1 should mean like the slowest thing ever, most hot hatches accelerate at that speed Also he reviewed one of the slowest ones lol

[@jerlaine1638]

Pop up headlights are not a quirk, they are AMAZING!!! Also yes the lines in the tail lights did look good

[@bendeleted9155]

I think they were going for the 355 Berlinetta look. There was ann aftermarket body kit for that, if I am not mistaken.

[@JohnTye]

I liked the Vettes with popup lights as well.

[@jonreynolds1655]

Loved them on my 1987 Supra, totally agree Brandon they were "Amazing"

[@odom2142]

T-tops are the same way. But I agree with you, pop-up headlights especially look great.

[@Dundertaker1]

Brandon Candelario pop up and down headlights...pop pop pop up and down headlights!!!!!!!!!

[@Ben_Mayall]

I’m surprised there’s some left that haven’t been turned into Ferrari Kit Cars.

[@callumdonington2227]

I'm suprised there are any left at all.

[@aklip]

I'm not. The kit cars always look heinous.

[@aklip]

@@callumdonington2227 why? It's made of plastic, not like it's going to rust lol

[@The_One_Over_There]

@@aklip gotta agree on that. Factory fresh looks better on Fieros

[@TimFabok]

I could never turn mine into a Ferrari kit car.

[@Hypo327]

Doug... I've had my '86 Fiero for 13-years. I'm now 79 years old, and I love my Fiero. I drove it stock the first four years, then I did a 3.4 swap, and I could finally pass people when I wanted, and not have to drive in the trucker's lane when climbing a mountain pass...lol. I would have added a turbo charger kit for another 140hp, but it had piston slap, which got to loud and embarrassing, and I found I could actually swap in a 3800sc cheaper than overhauling my little 3.4 V6. I've been driving it with my 3800sc (pushing 300hp) for four years now, and I call it my little quasi-super-car, which it is. You really need to drive one like this. There are allot of really nice 3800sc customs in CA you can find, and maybe drive and review it...??? I know you would really be impressed. If you had tilted the steering wheel up and slid the seat back, you would have had an easy time getting into it. I do that every time I get in or out. There are 1m dollar sports cars that you have to do the same thing with...back in, sit down and swing your legs in last...! Your Doug score on that '87 would have been much higher, if you would have given it the fair appearance score she deserved, like about a six or better. The car your reviewed had never been buffed or even given a wax job, or lowered. mine is lowered just 1 1/2" which makes all the difference in the world. But even without that, that little car is the best, simple, smooth sexy lines and curves, that American cars have ever produced. Except maybe the C-1 Corvettes, and the '55 Chevy. If you had been more objective, and not started out, trying to make fun of the car, I think you would have viewed it in a much different light. You were all prepared to give it a bad score for interior, roominess, and handling, until you got into it and realized that you were actually in a well designed, fun, good handling little sports car, and I have to hand it to you, you actually admitted that your prejudice was not correct. I love the interior! It's exactly what one would expect in an 80's sports car...clean, simple, with everything you need without a bunch of over designed gobbledygook. The boxy interior has nice rounded corners, again simple and clean. The instrument cluster is very attractive, again simple and clean. I think the quality of the interior design is better than the same era Corvette or Porsche...! And I think they still are...!

[@j.thomas7128]

Yes, sir! Agreed, 100%. Back in the 90's, I had an 86 GT in red/grey with an HO Quad 4 conversion. The v6 and 4speed was replaced with a ripping little 4 banger. Once the accessories were taken off the cam and timing chain (weird design) and some upgrades, that motor screamed and made power up to 8,000revs. I loved that car. Unfortunately, my father had lent my car to his friend who promptly totaled it. I always wanted another, but life kept getting in the way... I hope yours is still enjoyed and treasured. Thank you for your post. It brought back many memories. If you ever want to re-home your little monster, she would be taken to shows!

[@cashinyourface]

Yea, it's a fun car, especially for the 80s. The interior isn't even bad at all. It's just a lot of plastic like literally everything else in the 80s. I don't know why he was so hard on this car. Also, the i second 0-60 is pretty slow in today's standards, but it's decent compared to other cars of the same generation.

[@blackholeentry3489]

@@j.thomas7128 I bought my first Fiero in '89....an '86 four cylinder with 5 speed. Since then I have owned a Fiero as my sole driver, and am on my 3rd one....an 88 V6 with 5 speed tranny I bought almost 10 years ago with 19K on it. It originally belonged to a Pontiac dealership whose owner had kept it in Florida and drove it only when he was on vacation. It now has almost 70K and two weeks ago drove it 1500 miles round trip to visit my favorite casino in Laughlin, NV, to take advantage of a Three Night's free stay. This V6 5 speed doesn't get the 40 mpg my 4 cylinder ones did, but if driven conservatibly will get an honest 30 mpg....but WHO wants to do that?....and, although I'm now fast closing in on 84 and have no plans of changing cars.....but recently did give my last motorcycle to my youngest son. My wife finds the Fiero too cramped for long distance driving, so whenever we go any distance, we employ her Saturn wagon. BHE

[@jimbob3030]

I've always loved the fiero, even when it wasn't popular to do so. You have a special one with a 3800sc in it, that's more like what it should have been from the factory. GM ruined it by not giving it the power it needed. I almost bought one with a 3800 conversion a few years ago, and have seen some amazing customs with nice engine swaps. The competitor to this was another car I like the styling of, the fiat x1/9, and they made the same mistake in not giving it enough power but it was still a fun to drive car even without a lot of power.

[@Higideon]

@@Hypo327 Hey man not sure your gonna see this but im 16 and im about to get my first car. I’ve been looking at the 1987 fieros I’ve been pretty stoked about them and since you’ve had a 86 i was wondering do you think its a good first car

[@hostileraccoon9604]

There. You have reviewed all of my 3 favorite cars. -Pontiac Fiero -DeLorean DMC 12 -Lancia Delta Integrale Evo 2

[@9HighFlyer9]

Bold choices

[@timothyonipad]

Interesting choices and rare to heat those cars

[@Purebliss007]

Funny how all your favourite cars somehow got reviewed in the past year whens dougs been making videos for like 10 years

[@silverpairaducks]

Wow no accounting for taste. Whatever turns ur crank.

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

Doug is keeping you hostage and forcing you to say this?

[@yamisoawesome1]

doug the type of guy to wear two shirts and complain about lugnuts on lugnuts

[@edibfeyzuahbeygi2045]

Stop saying bullshit "type of guy" nonsense.

[@WiseCandle]

Gotta hide the man boobs somehow

[@doktormcnasty]

@@edibfeyzuahbeygi2045 the type of guy who won't be putting up with any "type of guy" nonsense.

[@jdawg9481]

All GMs had the covers to protect the actual lug nuts from corrosion. Surprised he didn't clue into that.

[@davidvidda8515]

@@doktormcnasty the type of guy who puts the type of guy that dont put up with type of guy nonesense in his place respect and salute

[@WeTryMotorsports]

This was my first car. I blew two motors and it caught on fire once. It was then known to all my friends as the "Fire-o." It was the laughing stock of high school since it caught on fire in my school parking lot.

[@gemcityvintage]

Fire-o 😬😂😂😂😂

[@WeTryMotorsports]

Also, i didn't mention this: it had a OEM fire extinguisher in back of the drivers seat. It was a 1984 4 banger. Yeah... hindsight that should have been a red flag.

[@guysmalley]

We Try Motorsports I had the v6 the 4 was a dog

[@SofterThanQTips]

Love it, bet that car had some stories to tell.

[@anejpuncoh8255]

the fire-o xD

[@bigmac2752]

The " loud" button on the stereo is a setting that increases the low end frequencies of tone at lower volume levels. Kind of like a bass boost.

[@SeanReifschneider]

Short for "Loudness Compensation" or "Fletcher-Munson Equal Loudness Curve". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour

[@epicpandareviews]

You missed my favorite quirk... That enormous center hump between the seats. It's a mid-rear engine... so there's no drivetrain components there. THAT'S THE GAS TANK! No joke

[@kevindozier6990]

you're absolutely right!!

[@daveoct117]

Same for the MR2

[@1337penguinman]

Gas tank. In the passenger compartment. In a car that had a reputation for catching fire. Yup, it's the 80s.

[@epicpandareviews]

@@1337penguinman The reputation for catching fire was due to poor battery cable routing and abrasion proofing. They would rub until they sparked, catching the insulation on fire, and spreading it to the engine. The gas tank was surprisingly well firewalled. (I've taken apart a LOT of Fieros)

[@LakeNipissing]

@@1337penguinman Many older pickups had the gas tank standing vertically between the bench seat and the back of the cab. My 1993 Mercedes 300E sedan also has the gas tank behind the back seat, *_above_* the floor of the trunk. It is hidden from view behind a carpeted panel at the front of the trunk.

[@skirwan78]

"In keeping with GM tradition of refining cars and making them better until the end and then just canceling them" lol

[@Deadbass_]

Vahlir sounds about GM

[@russelldavenport9943]

Yeah the last year it was produced it had an reworked suspension. They finally got it right, then corporate killed it.

[@GoldenGrenadier]

Sounds like Sega in the 80s and 90s.

[@Therunningfix]

Then I ask for a bailout

[@tonystolz4982]

RIP Pontiac

[@0dixib0]

Come on Doug, they were right about the black lines, that shit was cool af back then. Do I have to remind you that even Ferrari had it on the Testarossa?

[@flair8099]

Still cool to this day

[@chrisdavidson911]

back then there weren't many cars that looked good from behind, whoever thought of that pontiac rear end knew what they were doing!

[@gndesign25]

Back in that era, my friends and I put pin stripe vinyl stickers on our rear tail lights.

[@zimutes]

Easily the most beautiful part of the car.

[@Big.W.]

dixib they look like little louvers

[@bobhenry6159]

Those lug cover are functional; they protect the threads from the elements. Anyone who has had to change a flat on the side of the road appreciate lugs that aren't rusted in place. I guess GM could have made them look like pretty flowers, but I liked the subtle hidden look.

[@hyy3434]

“Incredibly annoying real people chevy ads” -Doug Demuro

[@RockmanDash]

those ads suck, but I have never been one to buy car from the advertisements anyway.

[@interstate366]

_Mahk wants to know your location_

[@RockmanDash]

interstate366 ?

[@artvandelayimports]

@@RockmanDash mahk is a character from a KZbin channel that makes fun of the Chevy real people ads. It's pretty funny

[@NickG123]

I prefer 1999 Suzuki’s

[@luneyriley6748]

Failed to mention the speakers in the headrests, that he was so excited over in a current car he reviewed.

[@JMAdams]

Miata I think

[@WaybackRewind]

Only the 84 and 85 had the speakers in the headrest. by 87 they had moved to the B pillars

[@stanleymasterson1135]

When I was a kid in 1983, waiting for it to come out, I thought speakers in the headrests were the coolest thing imaginable. Then I owned a couple of Fieros... and realized it's a complete piece of garbage

[@spacemanrick2014]

Speakers in the headrest were, and will always be garbage. If you can't hear your front speakers, then you need more power, not crappy speakers in a crappy location. Besides, as much as Doug knows about cars, he seems to know, (or care) very little about audio systems.

[@Ryan-xy4dv]

@@spacemanrick2014 I'd have to disagree, the Bang & Olufsen in my 2018 Audi R8 Spyder sound fantastic :)

[@Collegeboy-to5zz]

Koenigsegg Agera: "It has the insignia everywhere. That's really cool." Pontiac Fiero: "It has the insignia everywhere. That's really gaudy."

[@Seantubes]

Michael his review on the Hummer H2 got a similar treatment.

[@VicioTHEdriver]

That's because when you show up in a ultraexpensive car, you really want to point out what car you're driving, you know.

[@Collegeboy-to5zz]

@@VicioTHEdriver If you're driving that kind of car, then you don't need the insignia all over the place to tell people. Also, the insignia are all inside, so is it that you need to remind yourself what kind of car you own because you forget all the time?

[@zacht9447]

Honestly the fiero logo is cooler too

[@JimmyMon666]

It's actually a pretty cool logo. No interest in having one, but they did do that right.

[@jeffgaz]

You’re wrong about the roof, I used to own an 86 GT with a removable sunroof, which made it close to being a convertible when removed. The glass would store in the front above the spare tire. I loved that car! I swapped in a larger V6, it was so much fun to drive!

[@Hypo327]

Yes, beginning with the '85 GT, most all were ordered with the sun roof. People just wanted it that way. You will play hard trying to find them without that option...!

[@Oberkommando]

the *LOUD* *Button* is "to boost bass frequencies when the radio is playing at low volume." (ref. Fiero owners manual)

[@rjscott6116]

He never reads past the first few pages.

[@GhosT8747]

@@rjscott6116 "On page 268 you will see"

[@kevinpatrickmacnutt]

And completely misses the AM Stereo button.

[@christopherdonnelly5838]

Andi Goldberger who sucks as a guy speaking about the car he's a dick head

[@mrldjohnston5736]

@Maimo Moline Boom Boom 😆

[@MrCasquenoir]

I find that kind of video far more appealing than reviews of the latest modern releases. I hope you keep posting content like that.

[@Veroxzes]

MrCasquenoir Classics are far more interesting than modern cars. Totally agree. Tbh I like these kind of cars more than a new hypercar. Just look at my profile picture.

[@kevintoscano]

勇気きみこ how does that mean he screwed up? It was a funny remark, don't take it to the heart.

[@Veroxzes]

勇気きみこ Doug is a sarcastic guy. He’s also the type of guy to become a type of guy meme because of how sarcastic he is.

[@hdhil3137]

Well, the older generation can relate to this car. But the newer generation doesn’t. He has to do all types of cars to have a wider audience.

[@Veroxzes]

HARMENDEEP DHILLON Well I’m part of the young audience and I much more prefer the older car over the new ones. I grew up with alot of classic cars like the Citroen CX and the Mercedes 240.

[@jesspalumbo9997]

“Months without seeing one of these”, really Doug? I haven’t seen one in 20 years.

[@LakeNipissing]

Then you aren't in So Cal.... old cars are *everywhere* in So Cal.

[@kuebby]

@@LakeNipissing Do you see these often? Because I don't remember seeing these much if at all when I lived in OC and LA, though I can't say I was looking for them..

[@steevorific]

@@LakeNipissing Like Cuba

[@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785]

I see them every day in Iowa....they're pretty common in the Midwest USA. Jess must be from Canada or someplace with laws against older vehicles.

[@thecrazeecow1682]

I see one every day dilapidated next to my neighbor's house under piles of trash

[@chad8329]

Pretty cool review, one quirk you didn't mention was zero cup holders! Also all Fiero's could be ordered with a "vista roof" which was a giant sunroof almost the size of the roof!!! T tops were done after assembly by a company called corporate concepts until 1988 when they could be ordered factory. This car has a ton of potential with the gm parts bin at your disposal. Ls4 v8 with f40 6 speed is a newer popular swap. I have modernized my Fiero with heated leather interior, back up camera, bluetooth, auto dim mirror, led headlights, and a few other things to make a fun retro daily!

[@kennybeans6115]

That’s cool bro. Much respect for keeping up a GM classic. Cheers.

[@canadianplanespotter]

20:51 "It turned Pontiac into GM's exciting brand". The GTO: am I a joke to you?

[@DakotaRaymond1999]

Right lol

[@jamesengland7461]

He's a little off, historically...

[@michaelmace924]

Was it Pontiac that had the "We build excitement" slogan 🤔

[@danger450]

@@snarkylive No one cares about the G8.

[@e90baby]

danger450 Whattt???? Have u seen the GXP with the LS and 400hp?

[@jaydee5156]

The "Loud" button, is a loudness compensation control. You'll also notice the equalizer. A loudness compensation control has been used on quality home audio products for decades. Human hearing is less sensitive lowest and highest frequencies as volume levels are decreased. The "Loud" button boosts those frequencies to provide richer sound at low volume levels. As for the horse power, it was indeed the '80s. In performance, the Fiero was a really close match with a non-turbo Porsche 924 of the day. Four speed automatic transmissions, for all intents and purposes, weren't a thing yet, so the GM 3 speed with locking torque converter was as close as you could expect at the time.

[@electric8668]

The loud button is on virtually every car radio/stereo so why he finds that odd or strange is in itself weird.

[@72Disco1998]

Actually those old Delco radio systems were not too bad.

[@jaydee5156]

@@72Disco1998 I agree.

[@martinmartin5904]

''Loud'' for Loudness just like any stereo before the roll a menu era .Just for his videos, it looks like he’s being a moron on purpose . I wish for him that it's intentional . Otherwise , what an ignorant on simple mechanical & technical knowledge .

[@gozinta82]

From what I remember, the Firebird and Camaro was also doing the same, with stats respectably close to Ferrari for Performance/handling.

[@kristypolymath1359]

I loved my Pontiac Fiero. I bought a used one in 1994. Installed a little cd player radio system and was thumping to Ace Of Base, thought I was the shit. :D

[@blackholeentry3489]

I bought my first 86 Fiero in 89. I have driven one ever since and now am on my third, an 88 GT. Put a total of 400K on three different ones. I met my second wife eleven years ago. We have retained both of our original homes, 'live' 210 miles apart and we both make the trip regularly. (I'm 79 and she's 82)

[@wabberjacky9951]

You where the shit !

[@kcosgrovelakers]

My mom Tonya bought a 1987 Pontiac Fiero brand new in Anaheim, California from the car dealership and sold it for $15,000 or $20,000. It was a silver and a stick shift mid-engined sports car that she owned it since she was 19 years old with Dan. She used it for her husband Daniel DeThouars and comfort to relieve her stress, so she wants to have her car a lot of fucking fun. And my mom before she became a mom was having fun at the apartment in Placentia, taking him to the restaurants while my mom was behind the wheel before I was born in 1998. That 1987 Pontiac fiero belonged to my mom still got it, still got a 5 speed manual transmission on it. And sadly, it never starts for like a long time now since i moved to Chattanooga with my family before New Year’s Day of 2001. Long trip from Corona, Riverside, California to Tennessee. I was only 2 years old. I was a cute little young boy. It was December 30, 2000. Before my family house was built and it was then under construction soon to be finished by February 4, 2001. We moved in right away with the rest of the house was perfectly built and finished; perfect for our residence! I lived with my family ever since then I was nearly a 3 year old boy when this house I lived was brand new. My mom purchased our home for $95,000 from Ronnie Dean, and having fun. A bargain for a new house! Good price! It’s now been nearly 20 years here. Long time. Sorry about the ‘87 Pontiac fiero. My moms car. Rip Pontiac Fiero, 1987-2003. Can’t run again. They have to tow it anyway. Or it must run again after auto repair after all these years sitting in the backyard. Kyle in 2020:🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 my dream car instead of my mother’s broken down 1987 Pontiac fiero in the backyard is my 2008 green Dodge Viper SRT-10 from Florida! Another manual transmission sports car. HGregLux. *bring bACC V10!*

[@kaboom9081]

I had a 84 Fiero in 1990. I was 18 and loved playing Motley Crue, Metallica and Def Leppard. My then girlfriend thought i was rich lol

[@kcosgrovelakers]

That’s nice of you.

[@KYKLOSedmonton]

In older house stereos there was a loudness button, which at low volumes added bass to the sound making it more dynamic. Some car stereos had the same option. The buttons were many times just labelled loud.

[@1fishers]

Doug keeps it real. Pontiac Fiero: thumbs up Maserati Ghibli: thumbs down

[@ultraguy8771]

@勇気きみこ According to the Dougscore, 0-60 in above 7 seconds is a 1 out of 10.

[@DiamondbackDetailing]

1fishers he had a mullet in a previous life

[@rjscott6116]

I couldn't have said this better myself. That's Doug.

[@davidstewart4570]

@勇気きみこ 勇気きみこ I've spotted these perverse acceleration scores before and come to the conclusion that they're all compared with a modern 1,000 bhp supercar. Accordingly, nothing manufactured before about 2005 is ever going to get more than a 5, whilst an '80s hot hatchback will always get a 1 even if it might have knocked your socks off at the time.

[@skipper5186]

@Warm Soft Kitty key word *FELT*

[@theColeHardTruth]

Doug: *Hates on Fiero taillight grid pattern* Also Doug: *Gushes all over Ferrari 348 almost identical taillight grid pattern*

[@DanTheMailman330]

The mustang svo and 93 cobra had the same black line taillight vibe.

[@ProwlXV]

Speaking of taillights why is there a massive crack in the middle on some and no crack on other shots?

[@robinheil]

I want back and watched both videos, and I really don't know how you came to that assessment. In this video at 3:50, his view is more nuanced than that, stating that he likes the light bar, but that the lines slightly diminish the effectiveness of the taillights. In the Ferrari 348 video at 2:54, he doesn't say *anything* positive about the taillights, just that, again, the lines just cover up the taillights and greatly diminish their effectiveness. I get your point that Doug can be inconsistent at times, but this is a poor example of that.

[@legion6148]

He Is a troll

[@photondebuger45]

Because exotic car

[@lukasdewaal7080]

The lines through the back lights make the car look exotic - Ferrari's from this era had the same and it looks super cool and exotic

[@RedLP5000S]

And remember the ultra-hot rakes on the sides of the Testarossa. Pininfarina perfection!

[@RajaReign78]

L DW I believe there was a kit you could buy to make your Fiero look like a Ferrari back in the 80’s

[@lukasdewaal7080]

@@RajaReign78 interesting...

[@xKrispyx]

@@RajaReign78 There are a lot of different kits for the Fiero. In fact, there are two replicas in a 60 mile radius of my house. One is supposedly a "2001 Diablo" , and the other is supposed to mimic a Ferrari 308 GTB

[@TeeyoDoubleDee]

This Doug guy just doesn't appreciate anything.

[@crazyjkz]

The engine fire issue was heavily exaggerated by the public and the media. It was actually a rare occurrence that was traced to a defect in some of the connecting rods in the 2.5L Iron Duke I-4 (Fieros with the V6 engine didn't suffer from this issue). I believe that between 70%-90% of the connecting rods built were NOT defective, and even if the Iron Duke motor in your Fiero had the defective rod the engine fire could ONLY occur on an aggressively-driven engine that was also run low on oil. Therefore the incident could only occur as a result of owner neglect where regular oil changes weren't done and the oil level wasn't kept at the proper level. Even still, GM was quick to respond to the issue by not only issuing a higher capacity oil filter and a recalibrated oil dipstick that increased the overall oil capacity, but also a safety recall that fitted drip trays and splash guards in key areas so that if the hot engine oil did leak out it wouldn't come into contact with any hot surfaces where it could catch fire. With those upgrades it's virtually impossible for a modern-day Fiero to suffer from an engine fire as a result of this issue. So GM ultimately took responsibility for an issue that could ONLY occur as a result of owner neglect. That's a lot more than most car manufacturers would do nowadays.

[@funkingitup1805]

The "loud" function boosts bass and treble to round out sound at low volumes. Road noise tends to kill those frequencies and make the music difficult to hear at lower volumes, so that is when you engage "loud". Turning on loud with high volume just screws up the EQ and will cause distortion from excessive bass on most speakers. 15:24

[@joebessette6565]

Doug's the type of not to know there is a loud setting on almost every car deck out there today

[@vibingwithvinyl]

Yup. Also known as "loudness" setting. Quite common in car stereos.

[@neillowy]

Same as the "LOUDNESS" button on many receivers 60's thru 80's

[@sn4tx]

“Loudness” button was everywhere back in the day. Cars, stereos, Walkman’s, toilets ...

[@synthasia-5041]

+1 LOL "Loud" Doug is quite the neophyte when it comes to the audio systems,, he also failed to mention that certain models also came with a factory sub-woofer with the premium sound package, the slide control for that was up on the map light pod but I didnt see it one this one..

[@MRLVR87]

“The unlatching of the front compartment is also unusual” proceeds to open latch under dash like EVERY OTHER CAR!

[@howebrad4601]

Again his frame of reference is so based on how cars are made now; like it never occurred to him that some things in the past were actually different than they are currently

[@cringemeat9430]

@@howebrad4601 and it’s not even that uncommon for modern cars to have under the dash hood levers. My daily (2008 Elantra) and my dads pickup (2005 1500) have levers in the EXACT same spots

[@aklip]

My dad has a 38k mile 88 V6 5speed Fiero Formula. Fun little car.

[@richardleston5237]

I would be very carful who you share that with.

[@Fony_turgeson]

@@richardleston5237 yea. And watch out for aliens

[@Fony_turgeson]

@Spencer7445 _ we are the aliens here. But they might just want to abduct this guys fiero

[@JamesKC3OXN]

My dad has one as well with the auto trans. It's his baby from a by gone era. LOL

[@keithjackson286]

That's the best one! Independent rear suspension, new steering rack... The Fiero was coming on its own in 1988, then GM cancelled it.

[@yuma_da_puma]

Learned manual in my dad's 85 Fiero. Recently we just got it repainted and put new wheels on it and refreshed a bunch of parts that were getting old

[@senatorkang]

Almost unsubbed when you didn’t return the balance to centre right away

[@albertchamisul5375]

I had a Fiero and it wasn't fast but it would corner and turn on a dime compared to other low budget cars back then. I was fun. Thank's Doug . My Fiero was a manual transmission :)

[@nomoremr.niceguy4778]

Probably the biggest pile of “Would have, should have, could have” they ever built. Pontiac had a hot engine to stick in the back and GM killed that idea out of fear of dropping Corvette sales.

[@digitalmagicAR]

When DeLorean was at GM he was up against this too. His plan for the Firebird wasn't a car built on the same platform as Camaro. GM's execs have always had a can't compete with Corvette policy (even though sometimes other GM cars actually did beat it, just not on paper). The little Fiero could have been somewhat of an "affordable everyman's exotic" had they given it serious power. But then you'd be hurting Camaro Firebird and Corvette. Nope. Can't do that. Getting the 89 Turbo Trans am to happen took an act of Congress in GM.

honestly, I owned an 86 GT and it did just fine with the V6. Of course a V8 option would have been awesome, don't get me wrong. What gave the Fiero a bad rep was the shitty Iron Duke, and that's all the first year models came equipped with. They messed up there, as well as not offering a power steering option. Like wtf? by the 80s pretty much every car had power steering. They steered OK while driving, but they were a bitch to park, because you had to crank and crank the wheel.

[@blackholeentry3489]

In early tests before the Fiero was first released, it was tested with a V6 and outperformed the Corvette so badly, the Corvette honchos crapped their drawers, raised a stink and went crying to their mommies. So for 84 and 85, at the insistence of corporate GM, it became available with the Iron Duke four only. I bought my first Fiero in 89, have driven one for my primary transportation for 30 years now. Five years ago I bought an 88 with 20K on it and it is my only driver....besides my motorcycle, that is.

[@liveyourbestlife3785]

The Iron Duke was an excellent reliable engine and still is. You probably see a car on the road everyday that uses one. At least a Grubbman LLV aka the mail truck

[@glennhuntiv2704]

NoMore Mr.NiceGuy maybe the one out of the Buick grand national (turbocharged v6) ? Hold up ok now I want a one!!

[@mauricedelarosa6940]

My best friend bought a 2 year old '85 Fiero SE with the V6. We both owned '73 Formula Firebirds with the 400 cid V8, which were reasonably fast cars, but we were both still impressed with the Fiero. True, with the original parts bin suspension, the handling lacked refinement, but the sticky Goodyears made it seem like we were driving a slot car, and the 2.8L V6 felt faster than its 140 hp would suggest. It happened on more than one occasion that we would look down and realize that we had been cruising on the freeway in 3rd gear (of a 4 speed transmission), so clearly the car was geared tall, but it never felt 'doggy' off the line or through the gears. And the Fiero's exhaust really made that V6 sound like a European exotic. The interior was very typical GM 'plasticky' and the graphics on the gauges looked cartoonish, but it had plenty of legroom and my buddy's particular car never caught fire or left us stranded. In the mid 80's, if you were a 20-something guy looking for a fun car that looked good and performed well and had a car payment that was compatible with our modest wages, the Fiero was on a short list of choices. They actually sold really well for the first 4 years (averaging over 85k/yr in sales), but somehow GM managed to both improve the car in its 5th and final year (to what it should have been all along), while only selling 26k in its final year. It's too bad that you evaluated the 3 speed auto - the manual trans cars were a more fun to drive. The Fiero was definitely a better car than most people thought, and it deserved a better fate.

[@icu_corey_rn_903]

On a real note I miss Pontiac. Nicer than a Chevy cheaper than a Buick or Cadillac.

[@Suzu92]

FutureRN_Corey _ I miss the Aztec

[@BIGGIEDEVIL]

Pontiac was like a more performance brand not a cheap rebadged Chevy

[@flabofmeat4559]

How about Oldsmobile.

[@yungtooli]

shouldve killed buick instead of pontiac

[@e90baby]

yung tooli amen

[@ecchioni]

If only they had the balls to put Buick's 3.8l turbo into this.

[@haze541bsn]

True

[@kostaskritsilas2681]

Even better, the Oldsmobile Quad 4. Would have been just as light as the Iron Duke 4 cylinder Fiero, but with 180 HP. Problem would have been, it probably would have been faster than the Trans-Am/Z-28 and Corvette of the day, and outhandled all of them. Buick Turbo V6 would have left the other cars like they were parked. V8 Archie makes/made kits to get Northstar V8s, Chevy smallblocks, and Northstar V8s into Fieros.

[@digitalmagicAR]

Haha. I wish. It took a LOT to get the 3.8 turbo into the 89 GTA. Back in the 80s there was fierce rivalry between GM divisions plus GM has a policy of not allowing anything to (officially) beat the flagship Corvette yet this has happened several times in actuality even though it wasn't so in the official reported GM stats. For instance the *rated* 250 hp of the 89 TTA which was just below the 255hp Corvette L98. Yeah right. The low production Buick GNX and later TTA handidly beat the other GM cars of the day (and most production cars in general). They were probably ultimately pushed through because they were low volume cars. The Pontiac sporty car market manager shared some experiences on this some years ago. I have since forgotton his name. A 3.8 turbo in the little Fiero would have been fantastic. Lots of things GM could have done that would have been great but didn't: - 4 speed manual in the 80/81 Turbo Trans Am - turbo '82 Trans Am - 5 speed in 85-90 IROC-Z / 91-92 Z28 /Formula/ Trans Am/ GTA etc... Yet every once in a while something extra cool gets through such as the 97 SS LT4 and afore mentioned GNX, TTA. It's a shame Pontiac is gone. They started the muscle car era. When most of the other performance cars either had died or became pale shadows of their former selves in the early then mid and late 70s, Pontiac did their best to go against the grain launching the SD 455 in 73/74 and keeping displacement alive all the way to 79. Even in '78 the smog ridden Trans Am actually got a performance boost (W72) and improved handling (WS6) being a respectable car for the day. The lotus designed suspension and last year exhaust on the Fiero GT actually made it a neat car. It had an exotic un-domestic exhaust note from inside.

[@DanTheMailman330]

The 1990s supercharged Buick 3.8 can fit. A guy near me has done the swap👍

[@mrdanflores]

Should fit...have Northstar in my dad's fiero

[@ronurizar8961]

I remember when this came out and I was in high school. I begged my dad to buy one. I told him... "THEY MADE AN AFFORDABLE FERRARI!!! YOU HAVE TO BUY IT!!"

[@ManScoutsofAmerica]

I was in elementary school when my dad’s bachelor buddy bought one. I thought it was no different than the Ferrari magnum pi drove.

[@dawsongranger4940]

Ron Urizar kind of how the new mid engine corvette is

[@ronurizar8961]

@@dawsongranger4940 True but the corvette has power, suspension... Now I want to buy one if you can find one at MSRP. I think an updated Fiero would do VERY well in todays market. Small, two seater, suspension, fuel injected V6. It has to offer MANUAL. No Auto BS. I know Pontiac doesn't exist anymore but could someone release it? Think of the marketing. The NEW 2021Fiero!!! I would buy one.

[@flaviotaue4706]

@@ronurizar8961 , that almost exact formula didn't really do the Toyota/Subaru 86 any good.

[@ronurizar8961]

@@flaviotaue4706 I almost bought one but when I looked at the horsepower I stopped. I do not want a tuners car? I am older. I want it ready to go. I used to own an Audi S4 with a twin turbo V6. I am now looking at other "ready" manual transmission sport cars.

[@TurboLemon]

These are insanely underappreciated. Unique and beautiful design, especially considering how the majority of 80s American cars looked. LS1 swap into a GT roller and you have a sleek, cost-effective (and dangerous) beast.

[@jimmmyjohns2853]

an ls in a fiero would be hell for maintenance

[@nativeoutdoors1780]

Yeah and it's a ton of weight for it, just go with the sc 3800 for a sleek and powerful design

[@davidharrell8890]

I’d put a HT 4.1v8. 😰😃

[@lucasworktv]

Agree

[@VelkePivo]

They’re shite

[@CraigWagner]

140 hp Fiero, "If only it had a bit more power." 200 hp BRZ, "If only it had a bit more power."

[@Fritz___]

Craig Wagner And now the new supra comes out and people still complain that it doesn’t have enough power! Manufacturers: *WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT!?!?!*

[@kammann1980]

Srt4, hold my beer and watch this

[@rwdplz1]

@@Fritz___ *MOAR POWER*

[@mr.2cents.846]

I bet you a 140hp Fiero with 5 speed would dust a BRZ with 200hp.

[@chriscarguy]

More powa baby!

[@79thump8]

The Fiero helped make Pontiac what it is today.

[@bwest6275]

Out of business 🤓

[@jamesengland7461]

I see what you did there...

[@sixspeedcity1804]

HAHAHAHAHA

[@Jay-dp5wp]

Gone?

[@tassap9355]

Hahahaha rip

[@justin77782]

The lug nut covers are actually there to protect the lugs and studs from rust and are very effective as long as you don’t break them.

[@corssecurity]

Forgive this kid he is in California and the idea of rain or snow is alien to him.

[@MrKruger88]

And if you ever see a mechanic confuse them for actual lug nuts, it's time to find a new mechanic.

[@atharvabhosale3529]

​@@MrKruger88facts lol

[@thekiltedmechanic1516]

Gm also did a similar faux lug nut cover built into the hubcap on their trucks starting with the GMT400 I believe. May have been earlier as well. The faux lug nut cover actually held the hubcap in place. They work great at protecting those lug nuts from water and salt.

[@CarStuffetc]

7:15 All Fiero's had an opening in the roof superstructure to accommodate a sunroof, which was a factory option. So the composite roof panel would come solid or could come with a manual pop up and removable sunroof. The front cargo compartment even had pads for the top to rest on with other pads on the inside of the hood to secure it above the spare tire and GM provided a vinyl bag to protect the top. in 1988 T-tops became an option and those are fairly rare.

[@brenovsky]

"but i would walk 500 miles and i would walk 500 more"

[@skuzzyj]

More people should get this reference.

[@cephalonplant4087]

Da Da Da!

[@Quicksilver_Cookie]

Looks like this owner has the same obsessive no food or drinks rule.

[@scab9811]

Do you think this one will make it to 200K miles?

[@therealmrspock]

It would have been great if that started to sound when he showed the stereo

[@jimgarrity2414]

"Today's cars look so much more modern". Wow.

[@domsgarage5802]

He won't be saying the same about a 2012 VAZ 2104 from Russia. Yes, Russian. But for a redesign, they aren't rushin' either.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Nothing new today looks as good as that Fiero he has pictured! Most of today's cars are ugly... will make gaudy/ugly used cars...

[@alexchap7744]

Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes

[@daninnj8580]

@@BuzzLOLOL You mean you don't enjoy being surrounded by all that modern, luxurious plastic?

[@BuzzLOLOL]

@@daninnj8580 - Nope... enormous ugly grilles and ugly headlights don't work for me...

[@stiffdarren]

"I'm gonna be known as the guy who likes the Fiero" no Doug, your gonna be known as the guy who assumed the Fiero was complete shit but then realized its actually a decent car.

[@tomyost6330]

Outdoor Darren Right on. I've never been huge fan of these, but this car is very nice and deserves some respect.

[@drexlspivey29]

You're.

[@j887276]

@@drexlspivey29 Ok grammar police.

[@drexlspivey29]

@@j887276 Best recognize.

[@blackholeentry3489]

@@j887276 Whether or not you like it, you're judged by your writing. Yet, even though I carefully check what I have written before clicking the 'reply' symbol, an occasional mistake slips through.

[@TiagoNevesNET]

"loud" is most likely the loudness button which boosts low and high frequencies at low volume so the sound is fuller. 😉my friend Dan had one of these back in 89, he was so proud of it we couldn't even touch it, lol. 🍺

[@Notorious40z]

Ah the Fiero , the basis of almost every kit car out there.

[@danger450]

Well yeah, it's an affordable mid-engine car. Did you expect something else?

[@pourgoi_6100]

*toyota MR2 intensifies*

[@grtelli]

NOTO RIOUS -> I saw a “Testarossa” that started its life as a Fiero... it was great! 😂

[@CurtisL8.3066]

Most of those kit cars look like absolute dumpster fires

[@wildone106]

@@CurtisL8.3066 Pussy don't care tho :)

[@ToAnEnd]

My first car was an ‘87 Fiero GT and I regret selling it more than anything. Mine had a 5spd manual and removable glass roof!

[@aLexGeNeSiS01]

Everyone saids the “I regret selling it” excuse to the point that it sounds Like lies

[@kadenhayes1]

Cool comment

[@rafaelomarminaya4266]

I had one just like yours red and grey and I loved it

[@yaadmankahtion2917]

It's probably "for the better"

[@zwoosh2027]

For The Better o

[@chinaexpat1827]

Loved that taillight design, especially on the firebird/ trans am

[@Just_Pele]

Going from the Iron Duke was quite an upgrade, these are genuinely fun to drive, when you can find one that hasn't been abused.

[@justinforrest1613]

LOUD: it boosts frequencies, especially bass in low volume situations, pretty common.

[@kuebby]

It was a staple of every 80s/90s stereo/boombox/walkman/etc. I'm surprised Doug doesn't remember that.

[@bradrichards6107]

@@kuebby I believe Doug is about 30 years old, so I am not surprised.

[@kuebby]

@@bradrichards6107 He is, but so am I, and I distinctly remember all my early walkman/discman devices had a "loud" button.

[@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785]

Yeah, a lot of people in their 30s remember that stuff because the cars our parents drove us around in as kids were from the 1980s(or older....some of us were poor). Not to mention 80s cars were still commonplace on the road up to the late 90s and many of us had them in highschool. Complete with 5 band equalizers and *LOUD* button!

[@gt131970]

@@bradrichards6107 Doug is in his mid 20s

[@nickkatsoulakis6103]

Cop: “License and registration.” Doug driving a Fiero: “Hold on a second it’s in my door pocket purse.”

[@Hophner]

9:08 "and when you're done... just close it" Excuse me while I pick my brain matter up off the floor

[@jakedeutscher]

The lines in the tail lights ARE cool.

[@Vin80_]

If Pontiac ever comes back, we need a Fiero and GTO.

[@elr2141979]

@420 Friendly no a real GTO not a Holden Monaro

[@ethant.presland7438]

It's never coming back.

[@Vin80_]

@@ethant.presland7438 I can dream.

[@ethant.presland7438]

@@Vin80_ true.

[@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785]

@420 Friendly LOL! Heck no. 1st or 2nd gen man....

[@97JoMiller]

you are smoking crack on styling, I think those cars especially the GT are really nice looking cars!

[@mr.2cents.846]

You are right.

[@supersecularboypants]

Crack is good for you

[@TURST67]

His ratings are always off… He also said that it isn't that slow for a 80's car and still rated 1/10…

[@mryoung0412]

Was my first car at 16 years old. Instantly increased my status in high school, including with the ladies though i was still an awkward outcast. Held on to it for over 10 years adding modifications when i could afford to do so, totalled it in 2006 and to my knowledge it still resides in a junkyard in Pennsylvania

[@THEKOBE7612]

You got it!!! I can’t believe he didn’t give it a good mark for styling🤔. Are u kidding me this was a design ahead of its time, A head turner back in the day and even more so today!! I e owned 1 Fiero SE and 3 GT’s

[@AdamG1983]

Doug: "I love the glowing Pontiac logo" Also Doug: "Lincoln's that have a light-up emblem are stupid!!"

[@limyohwan]

It's almost as if sports cars and luxury cars serve different purposes.

[@rustyshackleford7265]

@@limyohwan Ha!

[@SummonerArthur]

Says black stripes on tailights are pointless Proceeds to like a fiero logo that lights up

[@lonewolfsx29]

Maybe it's just me, but I thought he was making fun of the glowing logo, saying he liked it sarcastically

[@kalron27]

My dad bought a 1986 & 1/2 Fiero GT off the lot, mid-year release of the original "Fastback". 5-speed manual, 140hp on a car that was just less than 2800lbs. At 16-18 I had the fortunate of driving it on occasions and to this day it might be my favorite car of all time. There is nothing like a mid-engine car and with this one the handling, the sound of the dual exhaust, the beautiful red topped V-6 and the off-the-line performance...I wish I could find one today. Unfortunately the car came to an end in a rather violent accident. Sitting at a stop light, my dad was T-boned by a driver a high rate of speed that was racing someone who clipped them. Sent the car right into the drivers side door. He spent about a month in the hospital and made a full recovery but the car was totaled just after it's 10 year anniversary. Fortunately it was the design of the Fiero door that saved my dad's life. It had 3 cross-beams welded across for structure, basically a prototype for modern side-impact beams. If I ever come across one for a good price in decent condition, I'm buying it instantly...as long as it's a stick-shift.

[@Hypo327]

Hay...they are out there my friend! Keep your eye on Craig's List, and the Fiero forums on Face Book. Good ones pop up all of the time. But be patient and don't settle for anything but what you want, with less than 100k miles on it. Make sure it runs good, with little or no blow-by or valve suction. You can try to get an '88, but I'd look for an '87 GT with no rust or very little surface rust. Parts are much more available, and you can up-grade the suspension for not much money! For trouble free driving, replace all the sensors, control modules, relays, and the distributor if it's old and rusty. Recommend a Cardone distributor. BTW, glad your dad is okay! You should be able to find one in the price range of $3500 to $10k, depending on the condition. Mine has been pretty much trouble free for 15-years and I drive it allot! You might even run across one that has had a 3800sc swap for around $10k +/-. Good luck...!

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

I had a gold one in high school, it sounded real good, 16.2 1/4 mile at Raceway Park New Jersey. It was a fun car.

[@gamebred5662]

My dad has one that's been compeltely rebuilt with a turbo v6 with around 450 hp. Thing is a blast to drive! Wish GM would of stuck with this design

[@Baruka88]

RRRRRRRRRACEWAY PARK!

[@crazyhorse8508]

Back road ridge cuts with tight turns is where they shined..

[@_baller]

..........gold?

[@MrAwesome5454]

Mustang860 that’s about as fast as my bone stock 02 suburban😂

[@fitnesswithsteve]

I want to trim that little thread sticking out of the Fiero logo on the driver seat SO BADLY!!!

[@branon6565]

Stephen Mason....makes me feel like less of an OCD freak knowing someone else is being driven mad by that thread....after initially seeing that thread, it's all I could think of the rest of vid...

[@arvins.7064]

@@branon6565 now im looking for that part so I can also be annoyed 😠

[@e.c.listening326]

How can someone not trim this right NOW

[@stevenreichertart]

I loved this car back in the day. I wish Doug wouldn’t evaluate old cars based on today’s standards for features. And, come on, this car deserves more than a “1” for acceleration.

[@Lambykin]

I agree. For it's time, the v6-powered Fiero was quite quick. 140hp was a lot of power for the times, too. Chrysler was turbo-charging many of it's 4 cylinder engines to give them more grunt, and they too only had around 140hp. To put this in perspective, I was driving around a 9-year old VW Rabbit as a daily driver in 1988 with a lot less than 100hp. Problem is, Doug didn't live as a driver during the hey-day of these vehicles, so the reviews are definitely skewed due to a totally different perspective. Surprised he didn't comment that he had nowhere to put his Starbucks coffee while driving. I'd prefer to see someone close to their fifties reviewing these cars today - different & more accurate perspective.

[@ultraguy8771]

According to the Dougscore, if it does 0-60 in more than 7 seconds, it gets a 1.

[@ToAnEnd]

Yeah I thought the same thing but considering he uses the same rating for super and hyper cars it makes sense

[@timjones7336]

Steven Reichert well, considering you can’t go back in time in these cars... you’d certainly evaluate the ownership & driving experience today.. in today’s context.. if you’re buying it.. today..

[@dwightschrute7286]

Doug is jaded, it's time we ignore his review scores. they're way too subjective.

[@christopherjohnson2171]

In the late 90s/early 2000s I remember people swapping in the 3800 Series II V6s (the same supercharged engine from the Pontiac Bonneville) and made these very quick and enjoyable.

[@kidjeff4304]

Doug's subscribers could fill every NFL stadium in the country! That's awesome. Good job, Doug!

[@TheWehttam97123]

Like every stadium all at once or one at a time

[@user-oh2mrfeescnu]

MolloWOP just... think about it.

[@kidjeff4304]

@@TheWehttam97123 all at once dude.

[@zipporahlevi-shackleford6440]

Careful! Don't let Scotty Kilmer hear that lol.

[@TheWehttam97123]

@@kidjeff4304 how about the fact that he has more people subscribed than there are in my state

[@LawrenceMarkFearon]

For a lot of us Gen X'ers, Fiero GT was our introduction to the mid-engine experience. Just how different and exotic it felt driving cannot be overstated in 1988.

[@gozinta82]

and it was actually fairly practical for it's time. I knew a lot of teens/young adults who had em.

[@toyoscio]

@@gozinta82 Even in 4 cylinder guise?

[@gozinta82]

@@toyoscio I don't see why not. 4's are more practical than 6's. V8's were for people who had money to burn for gas.

[@toyoscio]

@@gozinta82 Very true, but GMs 4s weren't the best unlike Honda and Toyota

[@gozinta82]

@@toyoscio Agreed. :)

[@r.w.b.7683]

The 3.8 intercooled supercharged Buick Grand National V6 bolts right in for a blistering 340hp

[@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785]

And probably shreds the transmission...

[@BHarris25]

@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 A buddy of mine swapped out the 2.8 L V6 in his old Blazer with a 5.7 L TPI, never had any transmission problems with it and he drove it pretty hard.

[@GrowthCurveMarketing]

"Bolts right in?" Really? With that goofy upper motor mount and all the peripherals not hitting anything in that tiny engine compartment?

[@zzz7zzz9]

soooo, take a motor out of the awesome GN to put into a hideous fiero???

[@NickPennerEh]

BHarris25 that blazer didn’t have a 3spd auto designed for a 4 banger tho 😩

[@ronwest7930]

I road-tested them when they came in for warranty work. A common complaint was a squeaking noise, there were so many it was almost funny. Many styrofoam beer cooler squeaking noises. It was typical sports car feeling, like driving a go-cart.

[@soonerdoc2112]

There were many Fieros with a removable glass roof. It stored in the front "trunk". My 1984 had one.

[@dannyh982]

My 84 did as well

[@93SA10]

I was going to say the same thing. It stored very nicely in the front and even had that detachable air dam piece that went in when the sunroof came out.

[@jayzz212]

My '86 1/2 GT had the sunroof and deflector as well.

[@damian3973]

They did that all the way to the end of its production as far as I know

[@batteryplum]

Ditto, I’m not proud to have driven a Fiero for a couple years in the mid 90s, but it was an ‘85 model and had a removable glass t-top roof. As I recall, such roofs were extremely common on Fieros.

[@rickc2102]

Holy nostalgia! My friend's older sister had one of these for a minute, truly the poor man's Ferrari. Like what would happen if a 308gtb got wasted one low night and woke up in bed with a Trans Am, pregnant and full of questions.

[@akshaya.s2396]

I was wondering for months why doug never did a fiero...now im satisfied

[@Millbarge01]

An '88 1/2 with the manual transmission and upgraded suspension would have been preferred, but this works. He did right by it.

[@kobra6660]

He found one that wasnt on fire or has a ferarri replica kit

[@chronicawareness9986]

also the dodge srt-4

[@tome8373]

This review is kinda crap. My dad had one. He isn’t going over the right stuff.

[@JoshTurnerGuitar]

I also just want to call attention to a button I've never seen before, the CrO2 button under the "loud" button. CrO2 is Chromium oxide, a metal used in the formulation of higher-end cassette tapes (cassettes are usually made with ferric oxide - rust, basically). The biasing of the machine needed to be different to play back these different types of tape, so I'm guessing that button changed the bias, EQ (CrO2 tapes were usually brighter), or both. Fascinating!

[@tinton3w]

No mention of the transmission choices (4-speed and 5-speed manual depending on year), or the weird layout with the gauge pods in the center cluster, or the removable sunroof option, or the "performance sound" subwoofer option, or the headrest speakers in earlier cars, or explained that the last model year rare roof option were t-tops, or of the vent on the side by the gas filler. First real surprise with my 1st Fiero was hearing the engine intake noise right behind my ear, coming from the functional vent.

[@lemonylemon2289]

I know this is old, but as a fellow fiero owner, I'm pretty sure the vent was never stock, and was a modification people put it. Mine has it too, and always thought/was told it wasn't stock. Am I mistaken?

[@ryanblanchard7490]

@@lemonylemon2289 The intake vent on the driver side is stock. There are aftermarket options to put a small scoop there, but the factory intake really does pull its air from that vent.

[@morganahoff2242]

15:22 I'm sometimes amazed at the little things Doug doesn't know about cars (ahem). The "loud" button is the Loudness feature. This used to be very common in stereos, and it made sense. At low volumes, although the same amount of power is going to the bass and treble frequencies, the way the human ear works, it sounds like the bass frequencies are noticeably quieter than the treble frequencies, when the volume is turned down low. Hence if the sound is kind of tinny at the low volume you've got set, invoke the Loudness feature, and normal-sounding EQ is restored. Beats having to tweak the Bass and Treble controls just to keep it sounding normal with the volume turned down. As to why they called it Loudness, that's beyond me. Then for a while they labeled the button things like Mega Bass, and people left it on all the time, in boom boxes that sounded like crap with it turned off.

[@SvenElven]

I really can't imagine this is the first time Doug has encountered the loudness button on a car stereo!

[@garymedeiros4807]

100% correct. you are dating yourself with this knowledge as only those of us of a certain age would know this.

[@michaelk617]

Back in the late 80's I knew a guy who owned a mechanic shop. He took an 86 Fierro, dropped in a 350 coupled to a 44T4 trans from Cadillac Allante. That little car was a rocket.

[@ronruba407]

I've owned several Fiero's over my life... Each one had a sunroof. Just real fun cars to drive. Canyon runs were a blast, like driving on rails with the right set up

[@dylanschoenecke4045]

I like the lines in the rear lights, almost gives it the look of a modern led strip if that makes sense

[@charleel1800]

Doug acted like it was odd, but the Testarossa of the day had the same thing.

[@billschade6177]

The tach is rotated so that the redline is at 12:00 O'clock. That was a common tactic in drag racing back in the day

[@robertbeirne9813]

Common in many performance cars.

[@dieselayres3547]

You sir are correct I am glad someone said it!!

[@povertyspec9651]

The new Nissan 400Z will have it oriented that way.

[@mebeingU2]

But with Fieros you’ll know you’re nearing the redline when it catches fire...who needs a high noon tach?

[@charleel1800]

It had no business on this then if it was something found on drag strip cars. The only dragging this car might have done was while on the wrecker after the tires had been burned off after an engine fire.

[@BDreGaming]

Need more car reviews like this. How about doing top end trans am from the 80s?

[@kdrguru]

How about trans am WS6?

[@nicholasdiaz724]

That would be super!

[@iamtheone2292]

You mean the gas guzzlers

[@BDreGaming]

@@iamtheone2292 bet your arse

[@bluecow10]

Like my 88’ GTA on my channel lol

[@makaylaserniotti1474]

I love how fun this car is. Could see it being a fun little weekend cruiser or a commuter car. Looks very comfortable too.

[@CVernRock]

That was such an underrated car. Loved the Fiero. You failed to mention that the headrests has stereo speakers in them.

[@Kimmypage44]

....not this one....they discontinued those due to cost around 86 or so

[@MichelLinschoten]

Darth Rock its was t underrated it was a polished turd let’s be real man 😂

[@daltondunn7856]

85 was the last year model with headrest speakers

[@DennisAlexioAndyHug]

Only in the 84 models

[@seththomas9105]

@@DennisAlexioAndyHug Pretty sure they ran headrest speakers until 86. Cheers.

[@poco1174]

My Fiero had a manual trans. 4 spd I believe. Third gear was forever. I loved that little sports car. The closest I have come to pure driving fun is my 2010 Porsche Boxster. Don’t bug me with your nonsensical comments about this car or that. The GT did 0-60 in 8 seconds. The same as a 944 in ‘86- which I also owned and loved. The gt had 140 hp and the 944 had 150. Both cars had a manufacturers top speed claim of 130 mph. The big difference was the 944 would do it and more and the gt would take forever to get close. I remember that I could get from 60 to 120 quicker tha the 944, but getting to 130 in the gt wouldn’t happen. Still it was wide track fun, sounded fabulous, handled superbly and more than once caught Camaro and Trans Ams sleeping with its mid range quickness. It would treat everything else like a bad dog. Keep in mind even 80s Corvettes were not that hot. My 944 would outrun it because it just had a better top end. I’m 71 and have owned and driven a little of everything. I have only owned three cars I regret selling-1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spyder, 1979 Porsche 911 SC Targa, and this little GT. I don’t regret selling 2 Corvettes, a 944, 2 911s, a Boxster, 2 GTO, a 396 El Camino (although close) a BMW, a Trans Am, a 95 Camaro SS, and because I am 71, I am sure some I’ve forgotten.

[@StBeter-tc2te]

Po Co Ever had a 1964-1974 Mustang? Or ford products in general?

[@ballsmahoney8684]

Dude can I smell your fingers?

[@MelancoliaI]

@@ballsmahoney8684 don't get too close bc they're probably about to combust after typing that comment

[@xxtravdamanxx]

STOP LYING GAYLORD!!!!

[@postersm7141]

Po Co that car was fun AF. We had a black and silver 86 GT with a moonroof. It was an awesome little car. I miss it to this day

[@porksboy]

The GT was available with a removable sunroof. It would fit in the front "storage" compartment when removed. I know it was available in 86 as mine had it.

[@KRAMITDFROG]

My friend had a V6 GT with sunroof in 1990 as well (pretty sure it was a 1987). They were pretty crazy cars for back then. I'm not a GM fan, but it was one of the better handing cars I can remember from that time other than another friend's lowered Honda CRX.

[@guamshady]

They were all available with the removable sunroof. Both my '84 2M4 and my '86 2M6 had them. The thing that sucked about them was the fact that they would leak when the weather seals got old. Both of my Fieros had this issue, especially the '84. The headliner would get soaked whenever it rained!

[@robbajko1533]

Clearly Doug doesn't do his research well.

[@TheJoecoool]

ME TO 1987

[@VndNvwYvvSvv]

Funny thing, that sunroof was actually part of the GT package, so this car he reviewed had the sunroof-DELETE option! You could also specify to delete the spoiler from the GT package. /shrug/

[@JoseFigueroa-h2x]

I had an 87 and loved it but I had to take it easy when it rained the back end swung a few times on me it wasn't well balanced, but I would love to have one again.

[@centurybug]

"Loud" is probably short for "Loudness Equalization". It was a pretty common feature on old hifi equipment from the 70s and early 80s. The idea with it was to alter the sound to be more suited to the range of human hearing. I push the loudness button on my receiver every now and then, it's not bad as far as equalizer presets go. It sounds a lot like just boosting the mids and lows, which may very well be exactly what it's doing. Edit: the DNR button on the tape deck is a surprisingly high end feature, not aware of any other cars that have that. It stands for Dynamic Noise Reduction, and it uses computer processing to remove tape hiss in realtime.

[@BRASIMETAL]

I have that option in my Peugeot 207

[@eyesea123]

I loved my Fiero. Had a V6 and it was beautiful, black with gray interior. My first sportscar.

[@lifelover2301]

He was wrong about the roof though because my 87 had a sunroof and the glass could be removed and stored in the front !

[@majedsaati8175]

Doug the type of guy that says "AJAR" when opening the door for others.

[@ToolkiT73UK]

Hoovie is the the type of guy that says ' a jar of grey poupon'

[@geoffnelson64]

@@ToolkiT73UK lol

[@MetalTrabant]

It's such a stupid sounding word by the way... how about OPEN? :D

[@BrawndoQC]

@@MetalTrabant Slightly opened versus opened. The door is usually latched but not completely closed. But yeah it does sound weird.

[@MetalTrabant]

@@BrawndoQC Yeah, slightly opened would be too long, I get it, but still a weird word. Sounds like Jafar from Aladdin :D

[@diesixdie2]

I bought a duplicate of that car in 1987, brand new, off the lot, and would have to say that Doug gave it a dead-on accurate assessment. I loved mine, dearly, and had a ton of fun with it. Sadly, mine seemed to be a magnet for bad luck, so I only had it for a few years. Very quirky, fun to drive, with a lot of charm, when it was new.

[@alm3333]

Loud is Loudness. It applies an EQ curve that boosts the bass at low volumes.

[@gloftoe]

Not the first time DeMuro doesn't know the function of something.

[@ArkhamDrifter]

This feature was on virtually every portable cassette deck aka boom box in the 80s.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

Right. Everyone knew that back in the 80s. I was suprised he didn't, but he is younger than us.

[@AdamSternberg]

Every time I watch one of these videos it convinces me even more that Doug really doesn't know much about cars or electronics. Pretty much every stereo system made in the 70s through the 90s had a "Loudness" button on it.

[@supersecularboypants]

Doesn't know much about cars? Come on now

[@remytv]

Probably willful ignorance for entertainment purpose

[@f181234]

Adam Sternberg not everybody grew up in the 70s or 80s

[@AdamSternberg]

@@f181234 No shit Sherlock, but these are things that are VERY common knowledge to even people with a basic to intermediate level knowledge of cars.

[@allday638]

@@AdamSternberg wow congratulations, you're a fountain of car knowledge. Fuck off loser

[@dominickharris7220]

Finally a mainstream car review that doesn’t bash the fiero

[@bendeleted9155]

Here's the thing: Doug doesn't care about reliability. Not in the least.

[@dparag14]

THAT'S MARSHALL'S CAR!!!!

[@NorthGaReptile]

I personally love the boxy interiors of these 80s-early 90s vehicles. There's such a minimalistic charm to it.

[@JETHO321]

I've owned 3. An SE and 2 GT's. All v6 engines. I love them.

[@stanleymasterson1135]

Only the 85 GT looked good, which I owned. The body style he reviews here is so ugly

[@rickkstir]

I didn't like the regular Fiero. I had an 86 GT like this one, but manual. It was a hoot to drive. I have to disagree with Doug though as mine had a sunroof.

[@michele97593]

3? i see one parked in the woods every day on my school bus

[@kalron27]

@@rickkstir A sunroof that you stored under the hood no less! I can confirm with everyone who had a manual, the 5-speed make it a who other car and another level of performance, especially with the acceleration and handling through down-shifts.

[@rickywilson8641]

They are awesome and fun to drive

[@TheGtracer1994]

This video brought back some awesome memories of my Grandma’s 86 Fiero GT. She bought it new and it was nearly identical to this one, but it was Black and a year older (the speedometer only read up to 85 if I remember correctly). The tour around the interior made me smile because I remember seeing the inside as a kid, the gauges, the logos, even the door handles I still remember very vividly. Her’s was ultra low mileage (I think it only had 20,000 on it in 2003, maybe even lees) and it still smelled, ran, and looked brand new. I genuinely thought it was a brand new car when I was a kid, not even aware that her car predates me by 8 years. I liked it so much that my Grandma was willing to give me her car when I got older. Sadly, my dipfuck uncle borrowed it and totaled it.

[@janetd4970]

"Back in the 80's GM wasn't known for their quality". So nothing has really changed.

[@didncozosksma4466]

Well in the 80s, The Detroit 3 (Chrysler, GM, Ford) were suffering from the rise of Japanese cars and the gas crisis. I would say that GM quality went downhill in the 90s-2000s

[@bodombeastmode]

@@didncozosksma4466 Seems like they are making a comeback relative to foreign cars. You can actually buy an American car and expect it to make it to 200,000 miles on original trans and engine. That was unthinkable in the 70s and 80s.

[@нико-р2х]

@@bodombeastmode they're becoming more reliable, and that's really nice, but still, the build quality still leaves a lot to be desired...

[@нико-р2х]

@Ernest George awfully sorry for that stupid comment, i've just started to realize how shitty GM cars are

[@Jacob-yd7gd]

@@cantloop9589 Chevy trucks are a bit different than GM cars.

[@towringer]

Had the Fiero lasted another year or two, Pontiac was looking at putting the new Quad 4 DOHC engine into it, with up to 180hp. Those plastic body panels were a big selling feature in the Northeast since they wouldn't rust.