The Pope Is Reaching Levels Of Woke That No One Thought Was Possible

[@christopherjustice6411]

Next he’ll get so based that he’ll call for a crusade against American evangelicals. I’m here for it.

[@Dreigonix]

DEUS VAUSH!

[@Unshackled.Dreamer]

Omg its @christopherjustice6411 !!! You're a legend bro!

[@CEOofAutism]

@@Unshackled.DreamerWhad he do

[@Liquidsback]

Knights Marxlar.

[@WASDLeftClick]

The really radical evangelicals aren’t even Christians as far as I’m concerned, and I’m atheist.

[@femboyleo8581]

as an ex Catholic seeing the pope speak righteously warms my heart

[@darkcrystalmagik3369]

"Jesus was a Capricorn. He ate organic foods. He believed in Love, & Peace,& never wore no shoes. Long hair, beard, & sandals, & a funky bunch of friends... 'reckon they'd just nail him up, if he came down again." - K. Kristofferson As a survivor of Catholic school (did 9 hard yrs,K-8th😮‍💨) who was never religious & used to debate my teachers & our parish priests on the worst dogma... I find this just lovely, it makes me hopeful. I'm not really surprised, I've always liked this pope, & I've long known that many members of Catholic clergy have traditionally been very based, like those who fought alongside Black Americans for civil rights. What a sweet, kind man... but he REALLY needs to have a stern talk w/ Biden to disabuse him of his asinine view of socialism, & curb his genocidal rationalizations while he's at it.

[@jonc3519]

Now they need to allow priests to marry. It’s not cannon

[@Xenomnipotent]

@@jonc3519I’m not even sure why they ever introduced that concept of “Married to the Church”. Was that ever even mentioned in the Bible?

[@themoagoddess1820]

@@Xenomnipotent it's because marriage was a politically motivated thing back in the day

[@bornkinggamer3347]

@@Xenomnipotent Yeah it is mentioned in the Bible but it's clearly a metaphor.

[@kmcs1280]

I grew up in a Catholic family, going to Catholic schools etc. I had this exact issue with religion that Vaush outlines, I would read about Jesus and he was based as fuck, kind, compassionate and understanding. Nothing I saw around me reflected that and I ended up arguing constantly with my teachers about these exact things. Every one of the more so called religious teachers would offer only platitudes about things like famine or war. Just hands up "I don't know man God gives us all unique struggles." It's so good to see the pope actually saying christ like things.

[@JemLeavitt]

Truth.

[@------837]

same dude it was a wild ride growing up like that.

[@Remedy462]

Just laziness and hypocrisy. Anyone can do what Jesus did, you just sell all your material belongings and spread peace and love.

[@nathanschmitz2302]

Are you still religious?

[@wile123456]

​@@Remedy462he was a thought leader of his time and a peaceful rebel against Roman occupation.

[@jamaicanification]

If people understand Pope Francis's social background this wouldn't be surprising. He's from Latin America where Liberation theology was prevalent and where the priests were leading social movements against American backed dictatorships and death squads. Oscar Romero is an example. Francis was also known as the slum Bishop in Argentina for literally living in the slums of Buenos Aires.

[@Crapworks]

Cons: "We need more people to come to Christianity!" The Wope (Woke Pope): *Adjusts his message to spread the word of God to more groups of people* Cons: "NO!!! Not that way!!!"

[@jameswilliamson3210]

Eh, his message is closer to Jesus than any american conservative lol

[@i-love-comountains3850]

​@@jameswilliamson3210 True. I'm personally a fan of Rev. Ed Trevor's. Great preacher, I'd go to his services if I lived there

[@sugoruyo]

Cons want to do things like the dark ages. Y’know crusades and inquisitions.

[@thunderspark1536]

@@sugoruyo Sadly these days the """"""""choice"""""""" of get murdered or follow this god isn't a thing.

[@snapgab]

Nobody is converting to the Catholic church based on this haha, it's cool and all but lets not pretend like it's stop the church from declining in membership.

[@Dr_Hax]

My mom who is not very religious still wanted to see the Pope when she travelled to Rome, she did not talk to him but was able to give him a bottle o red wine, of course it had to be checked for security reasons, and initially they were skeptical but then saw that the wine was from the Asti province and changed their attitude since the Pope has relatives from Asti

[@Turisteiro291]

sorry... what? Pop gets fan gifts?

[@hobbes_1077]

just like when mattpatt gave him undertale

[@veenoir1991]

​@arthurmalard yeah, he's the fkn pope lol. The real question is, does he get fan art?

[@RyuKyu.77]

​@@Turisteiro291no surprise really, my cousin gets that from the girls at his work..... He's gay

[@mml1426]

The Pope is Argentinian

[@sandlewood7563]

Pope: "Not religious advice, all thoughts are my own."

[@0Fyrebrand0]

"Don't take my word for it, do your own research."

[@salce_with_onion]

No research, vibes only

[@TitenSxull]

"For entertainment purposes only"

[@planets9102]

The reason he says it like that is because he isn't invoking his papal infallibility here. It means: "I am saying this purely as a human, not as God's regent".

[@quantumjourney1]

@@planets9102Lol helpful. Would’ve been nice for him to mention that the bible tells you to be more like him

[@nublarrex5690]

I can believe I'm agreeing with the pope of all people

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

WOKE POPE!

[@eliashe1797]

Believe it and get used to it. It also isn't just the pope, there are major christian leaders from other denominations doing the same, as well as leaders of non Christian faiths. Such was a major aim 😍

[@WASDLeftClick]

Caths based Prots cringe I guess?

[@Sch1z0gam1ng]

@@WASDLeftClickyes oh my god yes by leagues

[@luhan5123]

It's because he's argentinian 😎💅

[@bitacrumpet]

As a practicing Catholic, I love this guy. Its refreshing to have actual Christian docterine be preached by our holy pontiff. It shouldn't be controversial. Its important to remember that so-called "tradcaths" are a minority. Most Catholics are normal, regular Philipino aunties who need to hear this sort of messaging.

[@names_are_useless]

The "tradcaths" are an EXTREMELY loud minority then because I hear them FAR too often ...

[@concernedcitizen2350]

Most Catholics don’t even go to mass so what is your point? lol

[@itzi7868]

yeah. it's really wild how people are attacking this guy for upholding the Christ like faith up.. goes to show what those people believe, buncha deranged end times are coming religious nutjobs.

[@thumbtack2390]

@@names_are_uselessalmost everyone at the church in my town including my parents are traditional

[@Unshackled.Dreamer]

Bro Vaush sounds like my Catholic brother in law complaining about the "trad caths" in his Facebook group saying racist shit. Vaush really is almost spot on with his take about "trad caths", I think you wouldn't find disagreement with a ton of catholics today with that line of argument.

[@raguelelnaqum]

Daily PSA that Trad Caths are explicitly a heresy started by a guy so head-on-ass that even Pope Benedict said he needed to be excommunicated. So Despite the name they're not even really Catholic

[@Zer0.-_]

If all Christians were more like this Pope, we wouldnt be so against them.

[@Bubby79]

as a progressive christian, i agree that most christians are pretty conservative ngl

[@jaspermooren5883]

I guess it depends on where you are, literally every single religious person I know is significantly left of centre politically. Honestly it's the only sane position to hold if you actually care about the message of Jesus Christ.

[@Rensoku611]

There's plenty of christians like him in his home country (Argentina)

[@myfairlady343]

​@@Bubby79prootestants are. Protestantism is a curse on christianity

[@vaderkurt7848]

Do you agree with the pope on gender ideology when he compared it to nuclear weapons?

[@misterwin2393]

EDITORS! I literally watched this an hour ago, you guys are machines! You deserve cookies. The pope is SUPPOSED to be woke, to inspire the people and spread the faith. It's his job to get you IN the church, it's the pastor's job to actually tend to your soul... That is to say, I'm not too surprised at the Pope being woke but I WOULD be shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!, if this led to any actual Catholic reform. Still nice, though, that somebody's still tending to the hearts and minds of the flock.

[@daraghokane4236]

Why not lead to Catholic reform this pope if any will inspire Christians to do good, cathlics all over the world will be more tolerant because of him or change religion

[@sookendestroy1]

@@daraghokane4236 I mean so far it's just been people leaving the church, plenty of people who are super religious but dont identify with the actual churches.

[@daraghokane4236]

@@sookendestroy1 Good they don't belong,

[@juansantiagoromagnoli1831]

U know maybe he does something crazy before retiring or something xd

[@musicalaviator]

Flock? Baaa

[@beepyou34]

This guy is even more of an improvement on Benedict as Biden is on Trump.

[@jaspermooren5883]

In Dutch there was even a joke that he was pope 'benen dicht dus', which is phonetically almost the same as Benedictus. It means something like 'legs closed I guess', because he was so homophobic.

[@peterwilliams2887]

@dr.osterman8158how so? Only ask bc my moms super MAGA/Trump but she adored Benedict

[@RyuKyu.77]

Biden is marginally, barely any better, he's just not using provocative language and being a racist manchild like Trump, Joe Biden is discrete with his racism, and and isn't unique at all, he's boring, and a the average democrat

[@mwolsen96]

Ehhhhh not really IMHO. Benedict wasn’t a progressive by any means but he was pretty hardline on enforcing the post-V2 line.

[@0Fyrebrand0]

@@peterwilliams2887 It's a joke. There were plenty of memes online about how Benedict resembled Palpatine in appearance. I don't think it had much to do with his personality.

[@AK4ft7in]

Im proud to have Pope Francis as my pope. (I was born Catholic, not a convert)

[@MrHodoAstartes]

Technically, you were baptized Catholic.

[@darlingthickie]

Same ❤ growing up Catholic informed my progressive values

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

Nobody is "born" into any religion.

[@vidyagaems4063]

@@InfiniteDeckhandExcept atheism. We're all born worshiping nothing.

[@AK4ft7in]

@InfiniteSilver97 What I meant by that is that I was born into a Catholic family and raised to be Catholic.

[@l4dym3r3k]

Kenneth Copeland looks like that one frame of Bilbo lunging at Frodo for the ring

[@DivineFalcon]

Copeland probably sits in front of a pile of gold bars every night whispering "precious" over and over.

[@beelzebublovers5809]

Catholics don’t even believe that people who aren’t Catholic go to hell. The official policy of the Catholic Church is that Catholicism is the SUREST way to go to heaven. But that good works can get you there too. They don’t specify any other ways to get to heaven but they don’t believe God excludes you based on the specific church you belong to

[@Ty_Hill]

The thing he said about hell is so based. When i used to be Christian, I never believed in an actual hell bc no way would an all loving being cast a person into eternal suffering for things they did in a short lifetime

[@danieltobin4498]

The fire and brimstone version of Hell isn’t even technically canon. It came from Dante’s Divine Comedy

[@justinchoy476]

The consequences of Dante’s inferno has been a net negative for the Christian faith.

[@MrHodoAstartes]

​@@danieltobin4498 Not quite. He only congealed common beliefs at the time (in Italy, specifically) into a comprehensive system for hell, purgatory and heaven. And then immodestly cast himself as Orpheus, whose myth he used as a framework. And made people he disliked punished sinners.

[@givemeawand]

This is why Gnosticism is my favorite type of Christianity (that I know of). It says that people who go to hell only spend a limited time in there before being allowed into heaven (at least I’ve heard it does)

[@Ty_Hill]

@@givemeawand interesting, i like that idea. I actually used to be mormon, and in that belief there is a concept of spiritual prison and spiritual paradise. Basically the people who get baptized and shit go to paradise and the people who don't go to prison and are taught the gospel. when they accept it they can go to paradise, then after the second coming every one goes to heaven. At least that's how i interpreted it. Thats one thing i like about the mormon church ( i know it has a lot of other problems)

[@namelesscompadre4095]

There is a nonzero chance that the "Wope" was created when MatPat gave him Undertale

[@wumbojet]

He finally got to the true pacifist ending and said "holy shit, gay people are so cool" and did all that pro-gay stuff he recently did

[@CurtoidHarvonium]

Pope Francis is applying the actual teachings of Jesus, rather than the Paul's Christian BS. I hope they go all the way and become a moral advocate for everyone, like Jesus was, instead of being just a superstitious authoritarian cult with a secular "doctrine". Maybe someday.

[@hypercube8735]

I still have no idea how Paul's weird "I do not permit a woman to teach", "I wish all people were celibate like me", "men gave up their natural passions for women and were consumed with passion for each other" fanfic ended up in the Bible right next to the actual Word of God, but I've noticed a disturbing trend among conservative Christians to treat Paul's word as more important to follow than the word of someone they profess to believe is literally God Incarnate. When faced with the values of Jesus and Paul contradicting each other, they pick Paul every time.

[@TheMahayanist]

​​@@hypercube8735Just want to point out that Paul is unfairly maligned. Half of the books attributed to Paul are forgeries. Only between 7-9 (depending on who you ask) are actually authentic. In fact, some scholars like Detering claim none of them are authentic. "Paul" himself is just as much a result of fanfiction, as he is history. In fact, one of Paul's favorite people was a woman named Thekla.

[@OctyabrAprelya]

@@hypercube8735 I'm unironically start to call Paul's letters the Christian Hadiths.

[@hypercube8735]

@@TheMahayanist Yeah, I mean the weird vibe of specific books and verses attributed to Paul, rather than the historical figure himself. The "we need to reel back all the radical progressivism in the Gospels" parts of the Bible where he talks about how women can't be allowed in positions of authority, and whathaveyou. There's a fair bit of evidence that those verses were being used to settle debates within the early church between conservatives/traditionalists and more progressive/radical types. Other verses (ironically also generally attributed to Paul) talk about female deacons, and men and women being fundamentally equal. The words attributed to Jesus are pretty consistently progressive, for the most part (except for occasional weird stuff like "God only allowed for divorce because of human weakness, but actually if you divorce your wife for any other reason than adultery and then you get remarried, you're actually committing adultery on your first wife").

[@Khalkara]

I'm an atheist but I really do appreciate the concept of the literal highest authority in catholicism being humble enough to preface a sympathetic stastement with essentially "I don't speak for God but..". Even though in the church he does speak literally for God lol

[@LordiValimartti]

Umm actuelly the Pope doesn't literally receive orders from God. Papal infallibility is a negative charism that just protects him from errors

[@naturalkind5591]

There's a lot of pretty based messages in Christianity. It's nice seeing the pope support some of them.

[@lordgigenshtain]

catholic here. the lords prayer is pretty woke not gonna lie. its like forgive our sins as we will for give the sins of our neighbors . idk the official English translation. but that's what Dalmatian translation says.

[@WASDLeftClick]

“And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us” was the version I was taught in the United Methodist Church in the SE USA.

[@MrHodoAstartes]

He also says to get our bread. And I'm all about that. Conquering bread. Eating it. Good stuff.

[@MrHodoAstartes]

​@@WASDLeftClick The German version says "Schuld" and "Schuldiger", which can be read either in the sense of debt or guilt.

[@WASDLeftClick]

@@MrHodoAstartes Trespass in English is usually used in the modern world to mean the act of being on private land or spaces without permission but committing no other crime. However in older dialects it also means breaking rules or going out of your social role in a negative way.

[@WASDLeftClick]

@@MrHodoAstartes Can't say about other languages but that's another old English thing. Daily bread is your daily allotment of food for all your meals. Feudalism thing, from back when you as a peasant would be paid for your labors in the fields in the form of bread, beer, and meat produced by the local baker, brewer, and butcher under the local lord.

[@-Teca-]

As a Catholic,for once in my life i dont denounce the Pope

[@ilovecakecanihaveapiece]

Being Catholic and disliking the pope is like making a sandwich but forgetting the top part of the bread, there's probably another denomination with those beliefs

[@vaderkurt7848]

Denouncing the pope is a schismatic act. I am sorry that you have been poorly catechized. You do not have the right or any catholic for that matter have the right to judge the see of Peter.

[@Fossil_Frank]

@@vaderkurt7848 Tell that to the Polish Catholic Church. None of it's hierarchs agree with the current Pope on basically anything. They preach the opposite and aren't afraid to foster hate and violence against whole social groups. Point this out to them and at best they avoid the subject, more likely they publically denouce you as an enemy of the Church. They only like that one Polish Pope that was so helpful with his efforts to hide their pedophiles from public view, among other crimes.

[@shinjite06]

A Catholic that denounces the pope is just a Protestant, no?

[@marseldagistani1989]

​@@shinjite06 Yes. And the Yanks and their Quintillion Chrustian denominations can stuff it

[@oh_god_dammit]

Broke: Wope Woke: Poke

[@eh1600]

Bespoke: Popeball

[@MurphWithoutTheY]

Would make a joke about have hope in the pope, but it would just mean having pope.

[@RyuKyu.77]

Infinite wisdom: wokie pokie

[@tiborklein5349]

Dope

[@thekingoffailure9967]

Cope

[@charleynilsson5543]

Protestants being more conservatives than catholics seems to be a very American thing because in Europe and especially where I live(Sweden) our protestant church is quite progressive and is openly pro lgbtq.

[@professormicron6470]

I think it could be somewhat explained with political power. American protestants seem to have an amount of political power that no other protestants in the world have and that is more comparable to the amount of political power that catholics or orthodox have in some countries

[@realitywins9020]

​@@professormicron6470Protestant churches in the UK and Scandinavian countries have a lot of political power, and are very progressive with it. The reigning UK monarch is the head of the Church of England and Anglican bishops sit in the House of Lords. Episcopalians in America are also very progressive. It's the Evangelicals and the Fundamentalists that are right-wing and that seems to be peculiar to American politics

[@ALCV11]

My mom, who was never Catholic, grew up Christian, dabbled in Wicca, but was ultimately atheist, thought Pope Francis was a good guy for one simple reason. He chose his Pope name in honor of St. Francis, the patron of animals and the environment. She thought that had a bearing on his character. I tend to agree.

[@magnus_cockstrong]

this is without hyperbole an order of magnitude better than the best rhetoric we could hope for from anyone in power in the current era. Critical support to the pope.

[@ThatHanniganfellow]

Never cried during a vaush segment but that interaction between the pope and the kiddo had me crying. rare W for the religous, especially when involving catholic priests and kids.

[@OctyabrAprelya]

Yea, teared up as well. Maybe is the age or the father instincts kicking in.

[@Xenuite81]

Apparently, the difference between the words "camel" and "rope" in that particular language is one little tittle of ink. The original line is likely that it's easier to thread a rope through the eye of a needle, which makes a hell of a lot more sense as a metaphor when you think about it.

[@WASDLeftClick]

I think it makes sense in either context and the end meaning of the metaphor is entirely unchanged by the translation.

[@daraghokane4236]

@@WASDLeftClick The message is simple a rich man can't enter heaven, unless he gives up all his money to the poor like Jesus told him to

[@kylegonewild]

@@daraghokane4236 I believe you only needed to cast aside everything to be a direct disciple. You were absolutely still expected to be generous, compassionate, and willing to do for others even when they could not do for you in return if you were just a believer. Of course, the implication is that one who is so wealthy must necessarily be going out of their way to avoid doing for others in such a capacity as they could.

[@johnharvey5412]

You should look up Religion For Breakfast. He does a video on this verse, explaining where the various interpretations come from and when. The oldest interpretation is an actual camel going through the eye of an actual needle, which should be obvious from the surrounding context. Jesus chose an absurd example for a reason, to emphasize the impossibility of doing it!

[@Xenuite81]

I'd take anything written in John with a grain of salt, seeing as it was written with the strict intent of emphasizing the divinity of Christ. In the other three gospels, Jesus doesn't even admit to being the Son of God, instead asking others, "Who do you think I am?" Meanwhile, in John, he's walking around going "Son of God! Pleased to meet you! Son of God over here!"

[@HadBabits]

Yessss, I've been trying to talk to people about this stuff ever since reading Jesus of Nazerath by the Robo Cop director! It really changed my whole perspective on the bible. Also, our general conception of Hell and the Devil as biblical things is almost entirely fabricated, look into it folks!

[@TheMouseAvenger]

All of these things are precisely why Pope Francis is the very best pope ever! ^_^ I hope future popes will be as liberal as him! :-)

[@UnlimitedEmeralds]

Italy just voted for the most conservative leader since Mussolini. It’s more than clear Catholics are mad this pope is liberal and we likely will see massive regression for the next 10-20 years. We will never have a pope as great as him ever again.

[@daraghokane4236]

@@UnlimitedEmeralds Then they should quit the Chruch f them.

[@nhaedzwero43]

A thing about this Pope is that it's kind of a "one-off" situation, as he's the first Pope out of Europe and therefore the most Based 'cause ARGENTINA, ARGEN- anyways, I think this is a one-in-a-century situation.

[@vaderkurt7848]

Not liberal more pastoral* Caring about other people that disagree with us=/=us agreeing with your ideology.

[@nhaedzwero43]

@@vaderkurt7848 since the Pope is a known Peronist he is very left-oriented but it's correct to say not liberal because liberalism (mostly neoliberalism today) is on the right side of politics.

[@matrasman]

Choosing Francis as his pope name was already based as hell. I’m an atheist heathen myself but if all christians were like saint Francis the world would be a much better place

[@rattled6732]

I don’t like religion at all but the pope seems kinda based

[@PlatinumPoint]

As a catholic I do agree with your critique of conservatives and religion. They really are the stereotypical targets that atheist have to oppose. 😂

[@wile123456]

The one exception is right wing skeptic atheists, those are a target too lol

[@Rudero3]

Fellow Catholic, and yeah, those conservatives who hold onto the old ways simply for power or some form of dominance, they make us look like morons and bigots. I hate it.

[@PlatinumPoint]

Pope Francis even said that its better to be an atheist than a hypocrite. So this pope is a damn good pope. Very christ like.

[@SilverDragonJay]

I feel like it says a lot that I'm oddly happy to hear someone say out loud "I really hope that billions of people aren't being tortured for eternity". The bar is so low it can only be in hell.

[@dimasddfoxy1492]

Thank you Matpat for giving the pope undertale shit was actually important lmao

[@chaledy8998]

Lmao, trueee

[@pancakes8670]

We made fun of him for it at the time, but ignored that other KZbinrs gave the Pope a Surfboard and one of their own books. MatPat was genuinely based for gifting a copy of Undertale instead.

[@Colddirector]

@@pancakes8670 I don't like Matpat, but I really don't get why people made fun of him for that.

[@jackpaul3315]

Check out the prophecy of St Malachy from the 1100’s. Francis will be the last pope and ushers in the end of days with his wickedness

[@thekingoffailure9967]

wot

[@afterhourscinema782]

As a Catholic, it warms my heart that we went from n@zi youth pope to woke pope 😂

[@ATurnip]

13:18 "a lot of people's main hope with being Christian is that the people they don't like are in hell." Omg, you're right. Omg, that's the most vile thing I've ever heard.

[@openingshift7070]

Which is also very sickening and wicked. God is far above such petty nonsense

[@CaroGomezCarrillo]

Francisco has always been "Woke". He's Argentinian, he's a known Peronist, he has ties with the Justicialist side of the peronist movement (the more lefty side if you will). I wouldn't be surprised if this statement has been done specifically to piss of Milei or to be an opositional voice towards his government, because they have a very bad relationship. He came to make his formal visit not long ago, I think last week so its also timely. I wouuldn't put pass him to do something petty like that, because he has done it in the past, I find it quite funny.

[@nhaedzwero43]

It's great but also incredibly sad that from the two the idiot gets the country while the wise gets expatriated.

[@Janograd]

Peronism is neo-fascism, fyi.

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

SassyWokePope Francis? I can get behind that kinda of movement 😁

[@rayraysunn994]

I’m not Catholic anymore, but I still think of the psalm, “The Lord hears the cry of the poor” and the Beatitudes. I hope that if there is a God, that this true.

[@nlpnt]

Most "Tradcaths" are really just Evangelicals who like the high-church aesthetic.

[@oygemprime3864]

Pope Francis actually understands what Christ was about. He is very based.

[@SuburbaniteUrbanite]

Wait wait… the pope is teaching legitimate religiousness? Color me shocked. People just gonna be mad because it’s the actual teachings and not their weird twisted version of it.

[@Executioner9000]

As a Catholic I agree. Read the Acts of the Apostles; the first thing the Apostles and early Church community did was combine all their possessions then distribute them according to each person's need. That was a requirement to join the early Church. I think Socialism fits in just fine with Church doctrine.

[@TheMahayanist]

Exactly. And secular Biblical scholars also agree the early Church was similar to the Essenes, who operated communistically. It's just a fact, regardless of your religious views. The Christian Empire even did philanthropy work and built some of the first orphanages.

[@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei]

Honestly, that's just a thing cults do.

[@indiecrowarts]

As someone raised Roman Catholic out of all the popes I learned about in night school pope Francis was always the most based. He’s an ally towards queer and trans folks, and genuinely believes that all humans should be cared for through a socialist framework (though he’s not officially politically identified you can see his left leaning beliefs over his career). Hell even when I was in Catholic school it was a 70/30 split of people criticizing him. Though I’m not Catholic anymore I am glad that he’s been able to go against the grain and be even just a sliver of hope for the other queer kids in my religious Ed classes when I was younger. He’s undoubtedly been the best pope of my gen z lifetime and his presence has helped a lot of the previously homophobic churchgoers I knew growing up go from outright disgust to neutral disinterest. Which is a major leap His health has declined in the last few years but I hope he lives as long as possible before a new, (and likely more regressive) pope takes his place.

[@matiasdevaglia4541]

I'm an agnostic Argentine (the Pope is also from Argentina). I have no love for the Catholic Church, but hearing our current president Javier Milei call Pope Francis "the representation of Evil on Earth" for actually following the gospel was mind-boggling...

[@Socialolic]

He’s my favorite pope since St. Peter🙏

[@1michelemichele1]

Remember liberation theology? Vaush HAS to know about that -- it was a Latin American movement in the 70s. I remember feeling dismayed when this pope was elected because he wasn't involved in that (as if I knew an nth of the amount of history one needs to make such judgments), but he's proving to be someone who really actually does his best to walk the talk instead of taking the opposite extreme & rejecting everything Liberation Theology stood for. There's not a lot of good news these days, so thanks for posting about it.

[@leothelion5035]

We are starting to have problems within catholicism in Spain for what the pope is saying. A lot of Bishops and Archbishops are criticizing the Pope (we come from a Fascist government that ended in the 60s... so no surprise there) but the more woke he goes, the more issues that are happening within the community. We've had some good popes before, but this one is the more actualized to the times I think, which honestly is making me rethink to feel a little proud of being raised christian and at least don't feel ashamed to have been raised within the faith. I always thought people that for being in a religion of love, there's no hate as christian love. Hope things get better and some people start to understand that all the message Jesus send was on being kind and loving. Also hoping nothing happens to this man.

[@user-en7ll3og6c]

Here in Latin America is a big movement of "socialist priests". Basically a branch of the church that help the poor and believe in social justice and material equity.

[@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353]

As a Christian, I believe in the value of all people, that they should be fed, housed, and loved.

[@quantumjourney1]

As a human you mean

[@peopleofearth6250]

I don't know why so many Christians hate Marxism so much. Many Christians sects practice actual communism.

[@jackpaul3315]

@@quantumjourney1 you think humans are just apes why should apes have any obligations?

[@audreydoyle5268]

​@@quantumjourney1 all people, that includes domesticated pets. They are family, they have personhood. Wild animals find their own shelter. Regardless of whether you believe in salvation for other kinds, the creatures we bring into our families deserve love, food and shelter too.

[@johnharvey5412]

​@@jackpaul3315 apes don't need religion to have empathy and understand fairness.

[@djixi98]

"this isn't dogma, just my thought." Pope hit us with this is not legal advice lmaoo As an atheist, I wish more people shared this "thought"

[@d-5037]

I saw the title and I thought the pope had said something like "don't be bigoted", but he's talking about marxism and anticapitalism 😮 Wow, that's pretty neat.

[@amellirizarry9503]

Based Liberation Theology influenced Pope 💪🏾

[@amellirizarry9503]

I just remembered that the current Pope is argentinian, so there's a non 0 chance that he's also a Peronist 🤣

[@erebusvonmori8050]

He has somehow managed to drag the Catholic Church kicking and screaming into the 19th Century and for that I applaud him.

[@yoannbelleville7763]

I'm not a believer but I have mad respect for the pope. Such a nice a shill man. We need more people like him nowadays.

[@JARV9701]

I stopped being Catholic years ago, but I may start sticking a picture of him on my car. Any image of the Pope alongside Marx?

[@summerlovinxx]

dude if I saw a car with decals of Marx and Pope next to each other I would die of laughter, that would be sick as hell

[@craigstephenson7676]

my (former) brother in Christ photoshop and AI both exist

[@wumbojet]

​@@summerlovinxx someone needs to do a jjk "strongest communist from today vs strongest communist in history" illustration with Francis and Marx lmao

[@BoboftheOldeWays]

Irony is that much of what Pope Francis says has been boilerplate Catholic social teaching since the 1800s. The rest is a flirtation with liberation theology, the Christianity I grew up with. Thrilled to watch this.

[@Gold-kt4mz]

Papal infalliability hasn't been exercised for decades - since the Marian Dogma of the Assumption was clarified. To speak ex-cathedra, it must be done in a document or speech which clarifies it as "from the chair" in comparison - so the Pope is only infallible in the rare circumstance in which he clarifies he is speaking from the Chair of St. Peter - just hope this helps. Also, I agree with you on most of this.

[@haydenmcwhorter6363]

Anyone know if Catholics tend to be more tolerant than protestants? Feels that way in the Southern USA.

[@jingbot1071]

From my experience yeah. There's definitely a bunch of self-labeled "tradcaths" that are just fascist with Warhammer aesthetics, but otherwise they're a tad more accepting on average.

[@petre1758]

Catholics who were raised in robust Catholic communities tend to be surprisingly chill in my personal experience. Protestant communities tend to be more culty and thus less tolerant. As do the wast majority of Catholic converts a lot of whom are just white nationalists. But these are v broad strokes.

[@Ultapox]

As a Catholic myself, yes. Catholics on average tend to be more liberal than protestants, though it's like 50/50 in terms of liberal to conservative Catholics. It could be most likely because they were more of a religious minority that the protestants would beat and burn the churches of, so they know how it feels to be a marginalized group. Though, a lot of them are "holier than thou" assholes. I was raised Catholic, and still am Catholic because many of my morals align with Jesus' teachings. My parents were also very accepting of my coming out as pansexual. It could also depend on the area they live in. The more liberal the state, the more likely a Christian is to be liberal.

[@goodpol5022]

They were an oppressed minority for centuries in Anglo-America so by virtue of that most Catholic Americans are more liberal than Protestant Americans. This isn’t the case in Catholic majority nations from my knowledge

[@gabri41200]

Brazilian here. Catholicism is officially the majority here, that is because most people identify as a Catholic from upbringing, but very rarely go to churches. Here in Brazil, protestantism is the loudest voice in religion, very similar to american protestantism. My own family is very catholic and very invested in the religion, and though they still are conservatives and voted for Bolsonaro, they kinda dislike Bolsonaro's ties with protestantism and are generally very accepting of me, a gay atheist.

[@commissary4196]

As a Catholic I’m so happy to hear Vaush talk truth about the Pope and Christ.

[@thomassmith7020]

I actually hope to one day start a non-denominational church. My goal for it is to strictly share the passages of the Bible that point out compassion, being nice to each other, and how god loves all of us, rather than the hate a lot of Christians spew. Seeing this stuff that the pope has said, I hope I will be able to spread the kindness even half as much as he showed in these clips.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

Remind fascists and "Christus Rex" posters that the message of Christ when he died on the cross was mercy unto others. It's literally in the Bible, Luke 23:34.

[@thomassmith7020]

@@BleedForTheWorld That and “He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone at her,” meaning that only those who are faultless (which would only be God and Jesus) have the right to pass judgment are probably two of the most ignored quotes of the Bible. What’s funny is that this quote, while also being anti-death penalty, also solidifies what Vaush said. Only Jesus and God are without sin, so God gets final say on who gets to go to heaven, for God is the only one who gets to pass judgement.

[@thunderspark1536]

@@thomassmith7020 Honestly I find the idea of the Christian God being faultless pretty funny, the dude made mistakes so massive he had to wipe humanity off the map two or three times save for one family. I mean c'mon dude you can see the future maybe make the humans less sinful?

[@thekingoffailure9967]

This is why I listen to and reccomend punk rock

[@strathmoron]

I can't tell if I'm just overworked, but that ppope quote about Hell being empty actually made me tear up.

[@52flyingbicycles]

When I visited China for school, on of my (American) friends said he was looking into becoming Eastern Orthodox. Thankfully, he gave actual theological reasonings like how he likes their teachings about real and divine essence instead of saying something dumb like “it’s based” or “the pope is too woke”

[@quantumjourney1]

Choosing to believe in something because you like it betrays a serious lack of critical thinking

[@origamitraveler7425]

You're twisting the meaning of pf the word "like" as used by OP. They we're clearly meaning that the friend was already inclined to theism and chose Eastern Orthodoxy because they preferred ("liked") their theology over others. Cool thinking, critical thinker man.

[@origamitraveler7425]

also "betrays a serious lack of critical thinking" lol i agree lmao

[@52flyingbicycles]

@@quantumjourney1 he found Eastern Orthodox theology very compelling after some study and was considering converting to it. That’s more critical thinking than most people put into their religion! I reckon you’d just think he’s an idiot for following any religion, regardless of his method

[@TheMahayanist]

When I converted to Orthodoxy, "the Pope is too woke" was only one reason, but the theological ones were there too.

[@alexalexandrov9684]

Am a Catholic glad we in the news for based things long live the Wope

[@professional9123]

Honestly if this was how most church leaders talked I'd be attending every Sunday service and tithing. We love kind Christians.

[@michaelmcdowall4152]

Had a Catholic family member pass recently, the priest doing the service for the funeral basically said "hopefully he was good enough to get into heaven, or else he's burning in hell right now" as part of the sermon, with his fucking widow there no less.

[@fomarin]

Jesus

[@OneEyeShadow]

He must be so confused why there's less and less people coming to his church.

[@joegibbskins]

The best pope since World War II is still John XXIII. They basically elected him even though he was pretty far left because they thought he was old. It would be a concession to modernizes with in the church and he’d die soon. He immediately did Vatican II, and was setting up councils to work on over turning the ban on birth control and women deacons but unfortunately died and the reports of those councils were immediately over turned by his predecessors. That said, Vatican II is still making Trads mad 70 years after he died. It ruled

[@jacobjohnston3983]

They’re right in saying that the “eye of the needle” is actually referring to a place. It was a term used for the entrance to a walled city, which was the size of a normal door. In order to get your camel through the “eye of a needle”, you have to remove all of your cargo from the camel’s back and have it crawl on its knees through it. Saying “a camel through the eye of a needle” is not referring to a physical impossibility, but saying that for a rich man to enter heaven, he has to give up all that he owns and humble himself.

[@johnharvey5412]

This is a lie made up in the middle ages.

[@jamestitus472]

If you want someone to explain catholicism on stream, id be happy to do it as a lefty catholic worker who attends the traditional latin mass.

[@VooshSpokesman]

Love from a Xanderhal and Shark3ozero fan!

[@mogo-wc7xw]

the pope has so much time played in undertale man

[@cdcdrr]

The thing about trad-caths is that for most of their lifetimes, there was only one pope, and that was John Paul II. He wasn't a pope, but THE pope. And JP was a very conservative guy, from a country with a very left regime. So American conservatives felt bolstered by him because he was everything they wanted in a pope, forgetting that even for the catholic church, this guy was to the right of the average 20th century popes. Which isn't to say John Paul II wasn't based. He forgave his would-be assassin, started to reconcile with the orthodox churches and apollogize for persecution of protestants, and moreso than any pope before him, he travelled to far off places. He used his diplomatic immunity to boost the morale of opponents of the communist regimes under Moscow's thumb. John Paul II did a lot of good things and you cannot deny what an excellent, groundbreaking supreme pontif he was. But still, very conservative. And his long tenure meant he appointed a lot of very conservative bishops, who set the agenda for their much, much more moderate lay clergy and parishioners. That is why the secularization of Europe and North America rose steeply over the years when the catholic church already wasn't doing so well. Fransiscus is from a continent where that didn't happen, and the the liberation theology remained strong. The ideology that the church has a moral obligation to stand for the poor and downtrodden workers. This largely sprung from South America, but was very common in Europe as well. A more cynical interpretation is that they wanted to prevent the members of the church from going over to secular and atheist political parties, who didn't listen to papal authority, so the catholic church stopped being a dick to those people and blatantly siding with the rich elites. But however you want to slice it, there were many popes before John Paul II with openly socialist policies, publically condemming corporate greed and abusive practices within the workplace. Fransiscus isn't a radical deviation from a long unaltered political church dogma, but a return to format after many years of conservative dominance under the long reign of John Paul II, and the much more uncharismatic Ratzinger, who was JP's attack dog within the church and the face of the rampant pedophilia that still plagues its image. Trad-caths don't understand the history of catholicism well enough to comprehend all this. They're American protestants, who have put wealth before faith, hate before forgiveness, pretense before salvation. It is the most un-christian movement in church history, and these idiots have projected their perverted ideology on a much more nuanced, universal religion. One that doesn't have to listen and take heed of the poison spewed by so many televangelists, begging for another private jet to their impoverished congregation. And now, catholicism is back and telling them "don't be a shithead", and they're taking offense to being called out as a shithead by what they thought in their minds was their side.

[@professional9123]

I think there is some truth to being able to read evil on a person's face. Granted it's only present in like the top 10% or less of evil people, but you can absolutely just tell some people are evil by looks alone.

[@fangsabre]

It's the eyes. It's not whether or not someone is attractive or anything you can see the seething contempt they have for everyone around them in their eyes. Or the opposite, you can see kindness and joy in someone's eyes and some people are just completely lacking it

[@boysoul2075]

Nope you don’t know anyone by their looks alone, this is just you being prejudiced

[@professional9123]

@boysoul2075 I wasn't meaning looks specifically, like @fangsabre said it's the joy/lack of joy behind the eyes.

[@professional9123]

@Space_Devil well I mean Kenneth Copland is undeniably seriously depressed deep down. I'm not saying that it's a 1:1 correlation, just evil people do not enjoy life and that shows in the eyes and how they carry themselves and look at other people. Can't believe I'm clarifying but I'm not trying to say everyone who struggles with depression is evil.

[@camposporium4536]

I also wonder if its a social identity thing. Like, we have images and social expectations of the way 'kind' people look and act, eg. Kindly grandparents with smile lines and frumpy clothes, hobbitcore etc. People that don't have any interest in compassion don't have the social incentive to portray themselves as kindly, because its not a value they really care about.

[@raguelelnaqum]

Partial repost from a response because I figure some people might appreciate the info separate from the original conversation: Speaking as someone who almost became a monk, the reason why Pope Francis is so woke compared to his 'subordinates' is because despite the popular understanding of the Vatican being an autocracy, in reality the Catholic Church is controlled by the Conclave of Cardinals, and the Ultraconservative political faction known as the Curia. The Pope can't actually do anything effective without the Conclaves backing. Thankfully, alot of the old leadership has been dying off from old age at a rapid pace, but the question is if Papa Frank can outlast them long enough to have seniority and influence over the new leadership. This is also the same reason why there's such a massive divide between the Clergy and Monasteries. For example Jesuit & Xaverian institutions are some of the most liberal & left-leaning institutions in all of Catholic Christendom, but their funding is controlled by the Clergy, due to restrictions regarding Monastic vows. This why Monks tend to side with Laity, and most Priests tend to side with Cardinals. Francis himself was both a Priest AND a Monk, which is why he's so much more liberal. Unlike most priests & clerical leadership, he understands the age old adage : Deus Vult pro Ius Vult.

[@JackDespero]

The thing about "You have to believe in Jesus Christ to go to Heaven" for me boils down to the Atheist wager, a response to the Pascal's wager. I would describe such idea as follows: if a good God exists, and you have been a good person, God which is supposed to be omniscent and all forgiving won't sentence you to hell just because you did nott believe, since God himself would have give us the free will. A good person would only go to Hell if an evil God exists, and in that case, believers will most likely go to Hell too, since most of us have committed sins, even some "serious" ones (like dressing with two different fabrics, which is punishable by death). So in that case, there is nothing to be done. God is supposed to be more merciful than any of us could even imagine, and I could totally see most people forgiving others for not believing in them. I think that those who believe so strongly that ONLY with faith you can got to Heaven are closed minded people who are calling God petty and egocentric without even noticing it. In summary, if God exists, as Francis said, only God decides who goes to Heaven and whatever arguments we make on Earth are irrelevant. If when I die I am actually judged, I would just tell God that I have lived a life which is closer to Christianity than most Christians even tho I am atheist, so if not believing is my only sin, sending me to Hell would be his fault, not mine. I hope he is a cool dude, because damn, I don't want to Karen on an evil God.

[@LauraTeAhoWhite]

God is commanding the Catholic Church to be woke

[@rafaelbogdan9307]

Francis is definitely in the conversation for best (historically attested) Pope, period.

[@sarahsanders1729]

Wake up babe, new woke just dropped

[@tylerhackner9731]

I’m so here for this!

[@liguy181]

The Pope is almost making me want to go back to church. Almost

[@birdworldist]

Pope is a rockstar 😊

[@normaldude101]

This is nothing new for Francis. Liberation theology is big among South American catholics, and he comes from Argentina. It's basically catholicism with an emphasis on collective action to do the stuff Jesus did.

[@Brian-ve7ds]

The word "camel" in that story is a translation error off Greek. the original word means a very thick cable used in ships. The meaning stand thankfully but ye makes more sense.

[@edwardbrown3721]

Most people often forget that the pope saw and lived through what a right wing dictatorship entails

[@mahfuzurrahmansazal3974]

Man, I wish more people were like this pope.

[@stepheng1523]

Inagine believing in a God that picks favorites. And actually believing thats you

[@hel803]

Jews believe that

[@markshelor3991]

The eye of the needle, when I was taught, referred to the keyhole-shaped entrances to arabian cities. An overloaded camel simply couldn't pass through these entrances, and would have to be unloaded before it could enter the city. As a metaphor...

[@animefurry3508]

Basically he wants Slavoj Zizek and Terry Eagleton. ❤

[@skylarpatterson1408]

This really make me want Christian anarchism to make a comeback. One of my favorite things about MLK is that he read Tolstoy.

[@MCKevin289]

He also read Daniel O’Connell

[@Pluveus]

Wicked people are so used to viewing others with contempt that arranging their face into any other expression takes effort because contempt is unique in that it's the only base expression that's asymmetrical.

[@onlybrandan]

Based Papa.

[@aikahiboys9304]

the turn around on these is amazing

[@Sonjaslostson]

Pope Francis being considered progressive is merely a show of how low the bar is

[@Syncopiia]

I wasn't expecting something that big when I clicked, holy shit.

[@thebaronlouis8619]

The eye of the needle is a real place but that doesn't change the metaphor, which is "it's not impossible but it might as well be." Here's one, it is easier for a blind and deaf gamer to beat Tetris than for a rich man to get into heaven.

[@snowcat9308]

The Wope.

[@DrHotWarLove]

Yes, Comrade Your Holiness.

[@eedeneel]

Slightly concerned that there may be another schism in Catholicism from the more regressive catholic countries. It already happened with Anglicanism. The Church of England which has a supreme authority like Catholicism does, "went woke" and multiple branches of the church in Africa have since broken off.

[@YukitsuTimes]

Pious the ninth looks exactly like William Shatner.

[@ThePhilNews]

Vaush talking about how the pope's phrenology looks like a good guy while completely forgetting he looks exactly like the High Sparrow, played by Jonathan Pryce, from Game of Thrones.