The Postal 3 We Never Got

[@StudioKelpie1993]

It'd be really nice if some fans got together with the original developer of the game to make the Postal 3 we SHOULD have gotten

[@Ghost-Dragon420]

Basically catharsis reborn

[@SpyYoshi]

Catharsis reborn

[@saucypepperoni]

We do NOT want akella back..

[@LiteralCheese]

Akella went defunct in 2012, there is no possible way. Even if they wanted to.

[@diamondhamster4320]

More Remakes for bad entries in good franchises- remake DMC 2, remake Postal 3 et cetera

[@wingzzzzy]

As someone who has more connection to RWS. They want to do more with postal but with how Postal Redux failed (as they wanted to do more top down shooters) and yes they are small at this time there are only 2 devs and they are stuck on finishing up postal 4. They are thinking right now of going outside of Postal again (and hopefully it works as they tried before postal 2x2 that became postal 4). Postal 4 only happend as it was cheaper to make a new postal game in the style of postal 2. And now that they are back on their feet they are thinking of moving away from postal.

[@Ghost-Dragon420]

Would be good to see, some of their old concepts for other games looked promising

[@pandovolt3227]

I really wanna see they flex their creative muscle, I think they can do some amazing stuff outside of Postal.

[@munguschungus4030]

Do you have any insight in the disconnect in vision between Vince and Mike? I've been told Vince has a desire to attempt a "remake" or at least redo Postal 3 while Mike just wants to move on from Postal entirely.

[@Jo-uy5vf]

Are you kidding me? 2 devs????

[@wingzzzzy]

@@Jo-uy5vf Its called being a indie company. As they want to higher more programers but its hard to find people like that when you are indie as for a programer is better to just join like a software company then indie game dev companies.

[@m.c.squawk708]

As a source mapper myself, I cannot deny that the maps for Postal 3 are insanely well made and highly optimized. It would definitely had been a terrific game had Akella’s A-team developed the entire thing. It’s A shame what happened to this game

[@Allnatural-10b]

Honestly if Postal 3 ended up like this, it would be so cool if it had more updates and attention that it could end up like GTA with FNV's amount of routes and agency

[@nouveaumanifesto]

this seems like the biggest knowledge bomb to drop on the postal community

[@5persondude]

Love the video and the editing! And yes I agree with the conclusion that RWS have been dropping the ball lately and hiding behind Postal 3 jokes as a crutch. As someone who *loves* Postal 2, playing Postal 4 drains my soul and makes me realize how much better Postal 2 is in so many ways. Glad someone is calling them out about it.

[@rapappathepepper3996]

Finally somebody else cares about Postal 3 beta... I was always a bit disappointed how overlooked it was, considering it was always the main leak any ways.

[@Botul1]

I don't blame people for overlooking it, considering the leak included beta stuff for far more popular games

[@rapappathepepper3996]

@@Botul1Yeah, 'course, but still, Postal 3 had a lot going for it in the leak, but, yes, it is true that popular games would get more attention... I don't really like beta Source game communities anymore as much because, it's always: HL2, TF2. I feel like games like Left 4 Dead even doesn't get as much attention from the big boys and big modders.

[@mrscruffles801]

Postal 3's development is so interesting to me, and I wish there was more documentation on how it changed from the original vision to what we eventually got. Also I love the Dude's beta model.

[@fujiwaranovari]

this video reminds me that when playing postal 3 I was thinking the whole way through "well there's actually a half decent game under here somewhere."

[@up_to_the_wolves]

These early concepts for Postal 3 had way more potential than Postal 4 in it's entirety. I really liked these many new additions to the gameplay and branching story lines, going out beyond Postal 2 formula and expanding it. Only if RWS had more budget. Instead we got Postal 2 again but on new engine with shit graphics, unfunny jokes and lackluster humour.

[@EmilyKimMartin]

Postal 4 would actually be a pretty good game if it was Postal 2: 2... but it isn't. It's just a mediocre title that fails in following up to the game it's aiming at. Even with all of the technical issues aside, the entirety of P4's design is "one step forward, two steps back". The gunplay is floaty, iron sights are ass and the experience is overall just bad, while Edensin is boring, uninspired and a chore to get through thanks to its size. And then, the quests are like a collection of the worst P2 and AW had to offer. There's some potential but I find it unlikely that P4 will ever become more than a 6/10 at best. I'll just take Paradise Lost again and be happy.

[@up_to_the_wolves]

@@EmilyKimMartin You have exhausted the topic. Couldn't say it better myself. But honestly, Postal 4 is still praised way too much by the fans for what it is. To give some of my two cents about P4, the main gripe I have with it is that it's akin to what the new Simpsons are to the old Simpsons. Postal 2 was made in a time where the moral authorities were incredibly concerned about these newfangled vidjagaems and upstart politicians wanted to lift their career by banning this evil that seeks to corrupt our children, which lent Postal 2's stance of "being as offensive as humanly possible" some genuine bite and heart to it. A huge portion of Postal 2's views and comedy and themes have aged like fucking milk, but I think it still has some cultural value in that, it's a perfect time capsule of that early 00s/early-South Park rebellious DGAF attitude where everything and everyone were being made fun of. Now most of what Postal 4 does is just repeat its old raunchy gags in a new skin, stuff that might've given a soccer mom two decades ago a heart attack, but nowadays just makes everyone either mildly dilate their nostrils or sigh in annoyance. Postal 4 is too out of touch to be a good satire, and too disconnected and meta to be a sincere stand-alone work, as it would instead constantly go "remember this? remember this?" instead. It seemed to me like they didn't bother with satirizing or making talk about any of the daily frustrations the world has been suffering through this last decade, instead it just repeats it's same old raunchy gags . That's a big part of Postal 2's fun and notoriety, atleast in my opinion.

[@fojisan2398]

​@@EmilyKimMartinOh come on Postal 4 is pretty good

[@EmilyKimMartin]

@@fojisan2398 I would really like to know what you (or any P4 fan, for that matter) see in the game for it to be "pretty good". I waited ages to grab the game and bought it shortly after 1.1.2 dropped, and even then, the game felt like a chore. Eventually I was rushing through everything as fast as possible so I could just be done with it.

[@munguschungus4030]

@@fojisan2398 Definitely not.

[@electricfishfan]

The wheelchair note is so weird and funny-“these people are having ‘one of those days’ EVERY day.” I can’t tell whether the hype is facetious or not.

[@ABuffWizard]

Tuesday

[@gnomechompski494]

yep.

[@dustynutsacc]

saturday

[@AngryDucks.]

No way!

[@marko-gj1uj]

Postal 3 interests me the most because of development.

[@electricfishfan]

I love your visualization. Looks like you have all the assets ready to make a postal brodyquest.

[@MinervaIs]

Niko, it's Roman. Let's go bowling

[@qualityautismNoah]

really love the end there regarding RWS; they have been creatively stuck forever, making every game after Postal 2 just a worse version of Postal 2. And honestly, they have no right to do their "lets shit on Postal 3" and their bullshit "we are legit and real, we know we make shit" routines. They made a game thats in lots of ways just as bad, if not worse than 3 with No Regerts. I would call it worse even, since No Regerts is a legit cashgrab that still costs over 40$ for something thats dull, lifeless, unfunny, buggy and overall a waste of time. If you wanna play Postal 2, play Postal 2. RWS needed to move on from that game a long time ago and do something unique and different again, but they haven't.

[@loudris442]

Also don't forget that a lot of Postal 3's commonly critiqued issues like the unfunny writing and forced pacifism were RWS' ideas.

[@hatcrab4923]

Holy shit that conclusion man. I always thought that excuse of RWS beign a Indie Studio always felt cheap and with no value. How come Hyperstrange develop a Postal game with a different idea, less budget and less time span than the fucking main game we have been waiting for years now, and absolutely blow it out the water. Sometimes i feel like RWS should just give the IP to someone else :(

[@Botul1]

I agree. I don't hate RWS or anything like that, but I do wish they would just own up to their mistakes sometimes

[@Fanboy-hf1iu]

I mean they literally admitted that P4 was pushed out of early access due to running out of funds Not much they could have done

[@Botul1]

@@Fanboy-hf1iu I understand that it was done out of necessity, but I can (and will) criticize the things that lead to them having to release it early, which is, as far as I understand, because RWS doesn't seem to be good at managing money. After they released it, they used the additional cash to hire Zack Ward, when those funds could have been allocated to more important matters (performance, bug fixes, etc).

[@Fanboy-hf1iu]

@@Botul1 Not entirely technical issues. There were definitely a lot of debate about the tone and humor of the game. Not sure how much true there is to it

[@wingzzzzy]

@@Fanboy-hf1iu Oh i can tell you most of the staff in RWS hate the humor. Becouse of one person who is fucking over the story and even development.

[@AlikBelov]

The book at 18:36 doesn't move with the dude, the video has been RUINED!

[@fadedgames1]

Man I love Postal 3 Alpha. The atmosphere is so much darker and grittier than what we actually got.

[@hatcrab4923]

Dark and griddy half life 2 beta refrence

[@skarano]

Half Life Pre Release Moment

[@commenter_HIMIK-MAN]

There is a making of Postal 3 documentary that came with some physical releases of the game. It's mostly in Russian, but you can find an english subtitled version. It's all here on youtube. It's an *interesting* watch. Also, really cringy and unfuriating even. It opens with a guy wearing a pedobear shirt and a balaklava making obscene jokes in an annoying pitched up voice. And he is sort of the narrator for the entire thing. The story of the developement is told from the perspective of Akella, and god damn they make themselves look so infusserable. I suspect the reason that design document sounds as fun as it does, is because this is the original design doc RWC gave to Akella. Which, Akella *by their own admission* fought RWC constantly about. Like, they couldn't stop shitsing on this guy named Steve, who has supposedly wrote most of the doc. It's so petty that It would be funny, had it not been so frustrating. There is some more important information I'm not mentioning, but that should give you an idea of what to expect. Basically, to sum the whole thing up, Akella are dlскs and the game would've probably sucked even if the economy didn't implode. But maybe it would've not sucked quite as much.

[@RichterOvertime]

Good video!

[@REAVER_Game]

richter gaming

[@Jws20]

Chrifters slobberrhyme!!!!!!

[@billionaize247]

richata blobertime

[@Auditormadness9]

Wtf Richter what you doin here

[@Milano_Barvasa]

50:19 this part age like *fine* wine, with the recent "Postal 3 unreal" mod.

[@johnpot]

This is the best video I've ever seen, it's nice to see someone finally cared enough about the Beta Postal 3 Postal 3 could be a potentially good game, the developers nailed the Environmental Structure and Building. It's just the Flow of the game that aren't thoroughly planned in the end.

[@CMVM23]

Glad someone said it, postal 4 just wasn't it, I enjoyed brain damaged way more, it's the typical oldschool shooter but it tried something different and was fun, 4 however just felt like 2 again but catering TOO MUCH to what a fan would want, it didn't take any chances and ended up boring.

[@JohnDoe-hc7hr]

honestly i would rather rws take the ideas in the early p3 concepts and put them in a new game (whether it be postal 5 or a new ip) than have them remake p3

[@yeez13]

Postal III being ahead of the curve on the Opioid Crisis? It’s more likely than you think!

[@klozetsever]

They should remake the game. It has amazing cutscenes and design. And soundtrack is GODLY. Someone should fix the gameplay thats all. I love postal 3. I dont care what anyone says. I have a symphaty for the game I cant ignore it

[@aysenasteta8426]

Postal 3 was unlucky to come out earlier than Assassin’s Creed Unity. Nowadays people are used to games not working at release, and just wait for the developers to fix it. RSW should have fixed the game, then we would have seen the fixed version 7-9 years ago, and not in 2024.

[@shisketbread]

rws tried to fix the game at release but akella refused to give them the source code for years

[@KaruLamb]

#Postal3DirectorsCut Lets make it happen

[@d1_trainstation_01]

good to see p3mod getting highlight

[@thebrownbanana7863]

This original version sounded so much better than what we got. Such a shame it basically got ruined.

[@skarano]

this honestly could have been one of the best source games ever

[@Milano_Barvasa]

Not the best source game. But the best *THIRD* entry of a game that uses source engine.

[@minicritsstudent]

holy crap i need people to remake it with me

[@MKULTRAVOLUNTEER1984]

Wonderful broadcast thank you for sharing

[@yourcommander3412]

Godly voice - "Which morality path will you chose Postal dude ?" Postal dude - "Yes."

[@JoeElJalapeno1810]

Jess that final angel of death ending goes kinda Hard As Brain Dead Gears fan i really can see what Postal 3 could have might be and i agree whit you RWS should have let go of the past and embrace the new times and they have done it in a way but it does seem that in regerts of Postal 3 they ofer no forgiveness

[@disgorgeofconsciousness2250]

BRO, I literally just woke up and checked my phone because I had a sixth sense that you uploaded something today. Fuck yeah, thanks Botul!

[@Shoma21]

Curious that only one of the therapy sections can be seen in that 2010 trailer.

[@JanBretoński]

P.S.: 12:21 By The Way, that satiric typo about Kim Dzong Un perfectly ,,, f i t s ''' on Vietnamese Sushi Mexicans. More then Il.

[@trickstabber8117]

I like your conclusion. Honestly, RWS seems to be the main contributor when it comes to dunking on Postal 3. It truly feels like a desperate attempt to cling to the cool kids. And as awful as it is, I feel like the general tone and humor is much closer to Postal 2 than their newest releases. They seem afraid to offend people nowadays which is pretty sad.

[@VictorHugoSoares.]

The postal 3 they taken from us:

[@Drakestophet]

The psycho ending wouldve been awesome

[@JanBretoński]

13:42 I'm sorry to bothering you, but as Postal Dude (maybe called Bill) , who works as bodyguard, player is fighting HOCKEY Moms, not soccer.

[@Botul1]

In the final game you would be right (I think, I don't actually remember), but in the design documents they're referred to as soccer moms, so I went with that for the video

[@JanBretoński]

@@Botul1 Oh. Okay.

[@E2wqpXcGGnLtJHbVXDhS3]

Well done video! keep up the great work!

[@redterrierentertainmentyt5820]

Great video and thanks for mentioning us ❤ We are looking forward to making Postal 3 what it should have been with Postal 3 Redux, but we dont agree with some stuff about it's documents, however one of the ideas shown here about events of other missions taking place even if we dont participate its something we could easily add and recently while working on the police station map we added arrest thanks to WJI. Modders are trying to make this game good and what it should have been. Thanks for showing the missed potential 😊

[@Botul1]

Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to imply that the mods mentioned are meant to be a restoration of the cut stuff, just that there's a semi-active modding community.

[@redterrierentertainmentyt5820]

@@Botul1 I know, but our main focus is the same as restoring lots of stuff related in the video with what Postal 3 brings us

[@joshuagraham2843]

Running with scissors made a bad decision partnership with akella

[@Ivon031]

This would be awesome if ever released.

[@ethrealmoose]

i love this video so much work went into the animation

[@cpt.macmillan1561]

I love Postal 3

[@Botul1]

don't we all

[@ABRAoriginal]

8:16 actually the alt fire for the badgersaw is in the final game, its just not very useful.

[@Botul1]

damn, my bad then

[@d1_trainstation_01]

i feel like postal fandom lied to us again

[@agostonpahi3816]

i did not know postal 3 was on source

[@pixel22444]

This sounds better than Postal 4

[@josaicmosaic]

THE MAN IS BACK

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

Now for someone to try and port the Deathmatch maps from the leaked Postal III Beta to Half-Life 2 Deathmatch and both finish them and polish them. (3:41) Also, one could port the CTF maps from the leaked Postal III Beta to TF2.

[@Univer3eTwist3ers]

Is there anywhere we can read the design documents ourselves?

[@Botul1]

I thought about linking them in the description, but I'm not entirely sure about the legality of that. Realistically, no one would probably care, but still. If you want to go take a look at them yourself, or even play the alpha build, they're not hard to find, only took me around 10 minutes of looking. Just look out for the trimmed version of the leak, I'm pretty sure that one doesn't have the documents or the art.

[@commandandconquermusic]

Fire video like always Botul

[@Oroborus710]

Only me weapon understands me.

[@FKP_1510]

this video was amazing!

[@SpyYoshi]

Hi fkp

[@Just_KT420]

banger as always

[@bullhammer59]

I'm not a huge postal fan, but I am a source engine freak and these videos about Postal III are very interesting. Thank you for your hard work making them!

[@notKix]

wake up babe, botul uploaded

[@OneCentWonder]

Why am i just finding out about this? Its cool to see the game in this state. If only the game was good

[@Otaku_kun2]

Your accent is awesome

[@CollinsYoshiEGG]

I love P3, so whenever you do a video about it, it makes my day. Keep up the great work king! 27:34 made me laugh 😂

[@UnknownRedST]

new botul video yippie

[@jakeparkinson8929]

You are great to listen to, for a frenchy you aren't too bad.

[@Botul1]

I'm Polish actually

[@humam5000]

i'll be honest this doesn't sound much better than the game we actually got, still sad that the devs couldn't make the game they wanted tho

[@mrscruffles801]

Yeah putting the player on "paths" doesn't feel like Postal at all. The point of Postal is to let the player screw around and create their own paths while completing objectives.

[@Xeno7373]

​@@mrscruffles801maybe If the good path had the Postal dude be a violent cop it could have worked

[@hhhh_hhhh9]

No negative, but your voice is hilarious

[@TheRealWalterClements]

Source Engine really was perfect for Postal 3. Shame.

[@aliabdallah102]

Hit the bong every time he say third person mode. You'll. Idk

[@morderclock5813]

jus' wonderin', what country are you from? cuz your english really is the russian/polish english

[@Botul1]

I'm Polish

[@morderclock5813]

@@Botul1 czyli jednak mialem racje XD

[@braydendodd8791]

UPDATE UR POSTAL 4 COLLECTABLES MAP DAWG I HAVE HAD 53/55 RAMPAGES FOR LIKE A MONTH HELP

[@Botul1]

I only helped make that map lol, check the steam guide or something

[@Nerkusha]

2:47 Did you try decompile the map or see logs on crash?

[@Botul1]

To be quite honest, I don't know how to use hammer. Someone smarter than me could probably get it running.

[@Nerkusha]

@@Botul1 Well you can download program for decompile bsp to vmf and open it hammer. It's easy to use hammer for seeing things in it.

[@Adriethyl]

I wonder if mounting to Gmod works since this is a Source game 🤔

[@Botul1]

not sure about the alpha, but you can't mount the final game (trust me, I tried), and assets need to be ported manually

[@PlaytimeRecoveredTapes]

I need to port postal 3 to half life 2

[@-zhdltl-theoneandonly]

do you still have game design document of p3? can i contact you personally?

[@Botul1]

I still have everything related to this video. If you want to reach out privately for whatever reason, the best place to do so would probably be to DM me on Discord, where my username is "botul".

[@xxemixx703]

Accent tho 🤩

[@OlmoVonHabsurg]

i see

[@whatalegenddamn]

Postal 4 is bad too

[@big7650]

Very nice

[@amhirmama]

ngl postal 3 should have used unreal engine like postal 2

[@Puxi]

You sound like the guy from randommadness who does the gore reviews, I like you Sub.

[@brokensaint058]

It's no secret that Postal 4 is basically this version, but not made by the Soviets.

[@Alex-bz1wj]

Great vid :^)

[@PixelDime_]

Hey bro good job 👍

[@HypervoxelRBX]

Postal 3 is the best Postal game

[@latbat58]

nice vid

[@carscientist]

Wait, is Postal III just a Half-Life 2 mod?

[@Botul1]

To my knowledge, every Source game uses HL2 as a basis. That's why some games, like Portal, still use the hl2.exe executable

[@toporsan8568]

Gemerald

[@doom.slayer123]

So it was supposed to be an half life 2 mod?

[@Botul1]

All Source games are more or less just really big Half-Life 2 mods. That's why many other games, like Portal, still use hl2.exe.

[@SpyYoshi]

Classic

[@Jimboh1637]

36:04 ha

[@KaiserV-2]

What is you accent?

[@Botul1]

I'm Polish, so probably that

[@KaiserV-2]

@@Botul1 cool

[@xX_spymaingamer100_Xx]

according to my friends, the postal series is like gta but more badass. I never played the games so idk

[@REAVER_Game]

g

[@osasniezabitoroski3565]

Polak?

[@Botul1]

Być może

[@osasniezabitoroski3565]

dzieki za guidy na steamie, przez ciebie zrobilem postala 4 i brain damaged na 100% @@Botul1

[@ksienko2222]

Polska gurom

[@trashtalkterry2133]

:(

[@3amorogamer246]

The reason why this game failed was because this game had a 3 in it and it used the source engine (valve the creator of the source engine to this day never made a gqme with 3 in it they just make a game and it's sequel)

[@ajdaniel123]

What?

[@Puxi]

English Please!

[@SpyYoshi]

Enable subtitles

[@ScientistHL]

He's speaking English