The Power Scaling Iceberg Explained

[@anamap]

Man, powerscaling fans are gonna be so confused when they discover rock-paper-scissors

[@imgonnatellmom3245]

Thats called a "counter". A counter is when a character has an ability that nullifies or is the weakness of another character. It doesnt mean that they have a stronger power output but it means the opposing character is made to weaken the other. Instead of Rock-Paper-Scissors, lets use the Og Pokemon trio, Charmander, Squirtle and Bulbasaur. A Charmander would have the upper hand against a bulbasaur since Plant is weak to Fire, but would be countered by Squirtle, since Fire is weak to water. Its possible. I'm surprised powerscaling fans dont use that term much.

[@Brabbs]

​@@imgonnatellmom3245this is in jojo as well after part 2.

[@eroope5713]

Rock solos, no diff

[@themegacactus]

@@eroope5713🪨 Nah, i’d win.

[@hrkinezz4419ez]

hole solo verse nig diff

[@Wyrmknave]

To put the disagreement with Stan Lee in another way, it's a conflict of Doylist and Watsonian perspective. Stan Lee sees a fight between Spider-Man and The Hulk the way Doyle saw Sherlock Holmes - there is limitless possibility for what can happen in a Sherlock Holmes story, and the trick is whittling away that possibility to make a good one. It wouldn't be a realistic story choice for Sherlock to reveal he has teleportation powers, but from Doyle could have done it if the idea had occurred to him. Power Scalers are deliberately choosing to instead see Spidey V Hulk the way Watson saw Sherlock Holmes. If Watson wanted to guess at the outcome of Sherlock's next case, the best he could do would be to use his knowledge of what Holmes has accomplished so far and try to reasonably extrapolate from there. Which leads me to the far more important question at hand, which is who would win in a fight between Arthur Conan Doyle and John Watson (original canon version)?

[@quantumvideoscz2052]

As for the last idea, it could go any way, but I would give the edge to Watson since Doyle writes him as younger than he is himself, giving him a slight advantage. I guess.

[@Kusari_Yarou]

Gold Experience Requiem isn't actually vague in it's explanation, it states very clearly it nullifies your opponents will and actions before they happen if they were to harm Giorno or GER in any way. That's why most of the time the argument that Giorno is untouchable is actually true. The only things that could help are other types of causality and timeline manipulation abilities. Also the infinite deaths is just a quirk the stand has, it's explained but it's not that related to the main ability.

[@CripperSnipper]

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for correcting how most people use the term "solos", it has bothered me as well.

[@troykv96]

I think at least the existence of stomps in Death Battle is in large part because Death Battle puts quite a lot of importance to theming when selecting their match ups, I think that is why they can get away with making stomps. They're stomps, but it's fun seeing so similar characters clash in amusing ways simply because of the difference of their respective's verses power levels; I think the truly ridiculous stomps (something like Raiden vs Thor, that even the Death Battle people find it a bit pointless) stopped being a thing a while ago. ~~Also Homelander is a bully and the weakest "evil Superman" ever, it's kinda of the perfect candidate to be stomped~~

[@concept5631]

I'm honestly curious if how Castlevania Dracula would do against Homelander.

[@minasthirith6314]

​@concept5631 you call it a battle, dracula calls it a morning snack.

[@concept5631]

@@minasthirith6314 Overestimating Homelander is a common affliction it seems.

[@minasthirith6314]

​@@concept5631you call it a battle, Dracula calls it a blood drop.

[@concept5631]

@@minasthirith6314 I wonder if Homelander's flesh and blood would taste different due to the Compound V.

[@Nexii801]

"People just use words without knowing what they mean" Literally every "powerscaler" who says "X scales to Y" when they mean "X's Z-stat is roughly equal to Y's Z-stat"

[@Nova-rd3hi]

While you're at it, maybe you should bring up dimensions and how powerscalers need to stop overcomplicating a subject or assuming every work of fiction follows the Many Worlds theory.

[@Celtic1020]

​@@Nova-rd3hi Most popular fiction uses a multiverse. Dragon Ball, Marvel, DC, Stephen Kings Dark Tower. So yeah, in an infinite multiverse there are a lot of what if matches.

[@Nova-rd3hi]

@@Celtic1020 Most fictional verses don't have a multiverse. The few examples are the ones you listed.

[@kirboman5175]

​@@Nova-rd3hi sonic does as well. Blaze and new classic sonic created through generations.

[@IsaiahJones-rw1pc]

Also reminds me of the term "outerversal". Outerversal is just generally nonsensical. There are like 137 different definitions for it and almost all of them are inconsistent and don't make any sense. Most power scalers don't even have consistent views on what they perceive outerversal to even be which doesn't help its case. Not to mention that it's really just a buzzword lol, people throw the word around without even knowing what it means. This character does this? They're outerversal, this character does that? They're outerversal.

[@Firemahj]

Was the Xeno Goku section and the reality equalization section copyrighted or something? Good video tho I enjoyed listening to terms and concepts I’ve come to be familiar with over the years

[@zadock6370]

I am questioning that as well

[@ScpEnigma]

I'm honestly surpised how this doesn't have more views, it covers pretty much everything about this topic, well done!

[@BWHERE]

thanks!

[@ScpEnigma]

​@@BWHEREyw

[@Kyubee5136]

Honestly this is one of the best Iceberg videos I've ever seen. Mostly because it's on a topic I'm passionate about but also because you avoided tropes I've criticized other Iceberg videos for. You're very well informed on Power Scaling and the VS Debating community. I'm definitely subscribing and checking out your podcast.

[@rattis]

This is a great video but... could it beat Goku, Saitama or Superman? I think not. All things considered, as long as those three characters exist, this video will always be at most the fourth best thing in existance.

[@emanuelbugaj7078]

Don't forget, Ben 10 solos all of them. His full name is Benjamin KIRBY Tennyson, and of course he would transform into...

[@somersaultinggiraffe1901]

I can name 20 characters who shit on all three at the same time

[@adonaiharris5057]

This is one of the best Iceberg videos I've seen. Thorough and easy to understand brekdown.

[@sanitynotfound866]

Last entry just shocked me, because i remembered Shaggy from Scooby Doo. This character never been strong, yeah, sure, he beat couple of punks once and can outsmart monsters by accident, but nothing even remotely extra powerful. But internet turned him into reality bender with infinite amount of power (and even that number not even 1%). What if Shaggy affected our universe and so he can be infinitely strong inside multiverse of all fiction? Just food for thought

[@animeking1357]

If I'm not mistaken part of the reason people even joked that Shaggy was so strong was specially because of that scene where he beat the punks, almost like he was just acting scared all the time.

[@mayborneflower]

1:13:25 - I personally contest the Dreamy Bowser thing because of the context surrounding him. Immediately prior to becoming Dreamy, Bowser tried to straight use the Dream Stone to erase Mario and Luigi from existence with a wish, which was nullified by Peach and Starlow shutting the Dream Stone down and shattering it. So then Bowser ate most to all of the fragments to attain godhood. He did indeed get a tangible boost from eating the broken Dream Stone and demonstrated some feats of creation during his boss fight, but his constructs were barely any better than his usual Koopa Troop goons (being literally just those but in gradient rainbow) and Bowser by all accounts should’ve been trying to delete the Bros. like he was already going to in the first place. But he didn’t, which tells me he physically couldn’t. So he opted for brute force, and lost.

[@SiIverLeaf]

You could also counter that Bowser's ego gets in the way of his goals a lot. Sure, Dreamy Bowser COULD just erase Mario and Luigi from existence, but you could argue something like because of him being so confident in his own power that he would just rather squash the brothers with his own hands to 1 up them after so long. I am not saying your views on Dreamy Bowser's power is wrong, i actually agree with you even as a fan of those games, I'm just giving a hypothetical counter to think of.

[@mayborneflower]

@@SiIverLeaf I can see it, especially since this is like the one game where Bowser actually beat the Bros. in a straight fight after all. Then again, him losing to Dreamy Luigi in his own dreams not even an hour prior should’ve brought his ego back down.

[@JTS0110]

This video is amazing, should have 10-20x the amount of views. Keep it up the good work tho. Watched all the way thru

[@ygkoz]

I just sat here and watched this entire video, and I must say I loved it . I love the fact you went all in and didn’t do parts . When I comes to Iceberg videos I like to grab dinner or lunch out it on the screen and just watch . Not only that the video was so well made and informative and I love how you tackled certain issues with power scailers, fallacies and all other issues . I agree with everything you said and explained and you just got a new sub , great video

[@JoJoo.w]

Love how thbe argument from narrative is the whole underlying power system of medaka box. Najimi can be as strong as she wants but as long as shes a side character or antagonist she can't beat medaka. Freaking silly, and thats why i love it.

[@JogVodka]

as a wrestling fan i didnt know "jobbing" was used differently in the power scaling community

[@mlgdigimon]

Bro I’ve been watching this video and it’s amazing, the editing the script, it’s crazy how it only has 600 views

[@BWHERE]

Appreciate that! If you really like it consider sharing it!

[@mlgdigimon]

@@BWHERE great idea il post it in some discord servers

[@concept5631]

5.4k now

[@wanderlight1388]

In my opinion the most common fallacy I come across is the no limits fallacy.

[@gaco577]

Just to note that in 53:11 this is NOT the "ORIGINAL" Kardashev scale. The "original" says that type 4 can use the entire universe energy, 5 can use the entire multiverse energy, 6 is beyond space and time and type 7 is likely omnipotent

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

I've always been someone who uses raw feats over goofy calcs, because I don't think a writer makes their story while thinking "Okay, this guy can move faster than light" when showing something cool.

[@The_scrongler1978]

Now this is the person we need. We need more people like you

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

@@The_scrongler1978 one of my favorite things is Saint Seiya where people who haven't awakened to the Seventh Sense (Cosmo) can't see FTL attacks, it just looks like the person teleported and they got hit HARD from it in their view

[@The_scrongler1978]

@@QuantemDeconstructorthat’s actually kinda cool. I like that system

[@ανσιι-δ6ξ]

sometimes thats true but not all the time, for exapmle something like the scp wiki uses many mathematical concepts for scalling so calcs in this case would be more important

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

@@ανσιι-δ6ξ That's still being consistent with what's in-universe though, it's not like saying calcing someone as FTL because of one scene and then they're training to dodge lightning in a later one

[@ahaha7784]

Fantastic video as always

[@BWHERE]

Thanks again!

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

​@@BWHEREpowerscaling is bullshit to the point every single verse you see is outerversal.

[@ReSunDestin]

25:00 me whenever I hear someone using "waifu" for "anime girl" interchangeably

[@DennisAlbino-l8w]

I know people who use brain, rot, and cringe interchangeably.

[@christopherbravo1813]

in regards to the "Goku vs Superman" example, Superman's role in his own story wasn't Death Battle's direct explanation for why he won the fight, but rather their explanation for why he was written with such incredible power, with that power being the reason for his victory.

[@BlackJacked]

It was also completely wrong since Superman has shown limitations many, many times.

[@christopherbravo1813]

@@BlackJacked care to give a few examples?

[@spowden]

@@christopherbravo1813 The Death of Superman.

[@christopherbravo1813]

@@spowden not surprised you went with that. Superman's power comes from the *sun.* his battle with Doomsday happened at *night.* get what I'm saying?

[@JetBlazed]

@@christopherbravo1813that’s a fallacy in the comics it has been said that he stores sunlight

[@averycringyprofilepicture4490]

Normal People: There isn't any fictional thing with reality fiction transcendence. Me, an intellectual: | || || |_

[@The_scrongler1978]

Oh my god….. he’s right

[@CottonArsonist]

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[@sonicfanboy3375]

Is this Loss

[@Limit02]

Probably one of my new favorite videoes, was so fun to learn about a bunch of the specifics and inside jokes

[@gameinsane4718]

I swear, Stan Lee’s quote about “who would win in a fight” has to be among the top 5 misinterpreted quotes not about politics or religion

[@sethfrench5251]

What happened to the Xeno Goku and Reality Equalization segments?

[@ZeallustImmortal]

SCP-2747 is one i dont see brought up enough when people talk about "strongest characters in fiction", especially when other SCPs get brought up. Obviously not an SCP that would be fun to see fight other characters, its too unreasonably overpowered. But its worth a mention.

[@Kashimo_Glazer123]

scp is fodder

[@ZeallustImmortal]

@@Kashimo_Glazer123 Cope

[@DiamondZak]

IATIA is stronger

[@MrNone-d5s]

🤡

[@ZeallustImmortal]

@@MrNone-d5s nice face reveal

[@masternetboss2984]

Saying homelander loses to Tanjiro was going too far, dial it back, chill, don’t kill the man sheesh’

[@ieatatsonic]

I'm kinda sad this didn;t just include the pecking order, which is a literal meme but has some very funny concepts like Song Canon rappers, MacGuyver with a $2000 home depot gift card, and Luigi doing nothing

[@bulb9970]

An entire video explaining the pecking order is a great idea actually

[@animeking1357]

I mean the meme goes that Luigi wins by doing nothing so in a pecking order video obviously he wins. But seriously I would like to see that video.

[@taso8774]

Very entertaining video! I'm kinda surprised to not see Digimon referenced anywhere, I feel like that series is constantly brought up in power scaling communities.

[@PrestonSmith-g3w]

honestly one of my favorite videos i have ever seen it was very informative and made everything very easy to understand

[@BWHERE]

thanks!

[@concept5631]

Agreed. Good job.

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

Power scaling is fun This is a cool video a lot of stuff I didn't think about and I love all the visual examples you used

[@TheNightTyrant]

13:00 As a Ben 10 power scaler, That video from Ink Tank channel with actually pretty damaging to Ben 10 community and me someone has been part of it for more than 10 years I really now dislike that video. No matter which comment section you go to all you hear is people saying he's a God and no one can defeat him because he exist outside of time, these people have no idea that existing outside of time doesn't mean that you cannot be killed or destroyed especially by characters work infinite dimensions greater than you and and nowadays to spend them simply to the wrong word such as alien X recreated the art style so therefore he is a Outerversal character, which is not true at all That's just "Range" and size of Ben 10 Cosmology is tiny compared to D.C and Marvel Universe.

[@ezequielin5058]

If You Want To Count Official Material For Goku We Got GT Goku (100 Years Later) Xeno Goku (Arcade/Manga/Anime) And Also Capsule Corp Goku (Manga/Anime) All Of Them Scale INFINITELLY Higher Than Current Super Goku (Manga/Anime)

[@onekidgamer577]

REMOVE GT GOKU AND ADD GOD FUSION GOKU AND FORTNITE GOKU

[@ezequielin5058]

@@onekidgamer577 God Fusion-Goku Is Technically Official Since Its Produced By Toei But Fortnite-Goku Is Not Toei's Nor Baindai's Work, So Its Technically Only Extra-Official

[@herovill9629]

Great video, loved your style and made work more bearable, keep it up friend 🫡

[@BWHERE]

Thank you so much 😁

[@literarywho]

wow the youtube algorithm recommended me a video that *actually* appeals to me?! is the algorithm feeling ok? do i have to call an ambulance? jokes aside this was fun! i particularly enjoyed your little rant about the misuse of the term "solos". that made me laugh. the bit about Azathoth near the end could use some work but hey at least you didn't say he "dreams reality". gotta start somewhere, baby steps i guess. all in all, great stuff! ps: goku solos 😤

[@plasticsoya]

Suprised you didnt mention the power of "completely ignoring" or just "not existing". Example: Soft & Wet: Go Beyond S&W:GB has the power to create a bubble that spins so fast it doesnt exist, thus having the power to erase anything, touch the untouchable, ignore shields like Giorno's G.E.R, Gojo's Infinity, or Tooru's Calamity.

[@andyghkfilm2287]

48:05 IIRC I saw a scan where Squirrel Girl was talking to Galactus in a non-Squirrel Girl comic, told him how she had beaten Thanos before and Galactus laughed and was like “GOOD, HE IS SUCH A TOOL” 1:01:30 boy likes to drink, what do you want?

[@superdude7918]

Sonic solos everyone in fiction. All he has to do is just punch everyone into Minecraft problem solved.

[@desechablemia8733]

Arent ARGs just examples of the last entry, for example bill cypher being a statue in real life after the ending of gravity falls

[@dundandon]

I hope you can do an iceberg video about the most powerful characters that you could power scale, I think it would be pretty interesting!

[@TGJ10]

Unless I missed it I'm surprised Cosmology hasn't shown up in this iceberg ngl, this is usually used to show how some verses could win over others(mostly SCP and WOD)

[@boogers946]

I love the concept of power scaling, but I contend that true power scaling is "whatever the writer wants"

[@Wilkinson-jh2pv]

ngl this was super fun to watch

[@BWHERE]

Thanks fam 🙏

[@thetrap1880]

That darn lizard after reversing his DNA to evolve reverse spiral energy

[@MemesMcDreams]

Outerversal isn't "Above 11 Dimensions", Outerversal is Above Countably Infinite Dimensions. Complex Multiversal is 5-11D. Hyperversal is 12-Countably Infinite, or Aleph Null

[@DiamondZak]

Fax! He need to see this comments

[@MrNone-d5s]

Outerverse is beyond the very concept of dimentionality

[@MemesMcDreams]

@@MrNone-d5s Not on Vsbattle.

[@Ramsey276one]

Wow, the terminology... WHOA Getting more interested XD

[@Hazel564]

@@MrNone-d5s if you use csap yes

[@isaacnikolic5895]

Stan Lee had it right. Fan headcanon about how powerful characters are bc of "feats" and "logic" has no impact on the reality that it's the writer, not the fan, who writes the story. And the writer doesn't have a degree in theoretical physics, has no idea what the implications of their character's "feats" are, and couldn't care less if 10 minutes ago character x proved they had a reaction time of 5 bajillion times the speed of light, because 10 minutes later they get taken down by a normal sniper rifle. Power scaling is bs, always has been, always will be. It's kinda fun to think about sometimes, but it's still bs.

[@quantumvideoscz2052]

Based comment detected.

[@captainramen8315]

knowing this, i would like to suggest garfield as the one and only reality fiction transcendent being, naming him the strongest character in fiction. my scan, supereyepatchwolf's video on how the internet affected garfield, revealing that he actually had a plushie of garfield that he deeply cared for when he was younger without even rememembering its existence

[@sanitynotfound866]

But what about Shaggy? Internet made him infinitely stronger and with practically infinite power (because 1% memes and stuff). Why everyone lose their shit because couple of episodes with obvious toon power or pure luck? What if Shaggy gave as the Idea of him being infinitely powerful in fiction multiverse? Or maybe he always was

[@jasonchiu272]

Also what about those early 1900s characters who were used as motivation or propaganda for soldiers to fight in wars (like Superman, Bugs Bunny, etc.)? Wouldn't that also count if this was the case? I mean these were cartoon characters which literally shaped the lives of millions in the real world.

[@emanuelbugaj7078]

Great video guy, I needed it

[@BWHERE]

Glad you liked it!

[@oscarwillimott9296]

1:31:00 And that's why a wrestling heel could beat Kirby. Any questions?

[@kirainfo]

Thank god someone preach the way on how to use "solo" correctly.

[@uberfiend2544]

This should be posted and every group chat

[@russiandoggo4336]

1:10:53 this literally happens in an scp. The foundation creates a machine that destroys concepts by removing them from the collective unconsciousness of humanity. They use thid on 682 and it attatches itself to a concept hidden in the collective unconcious that deletes anyone that thinks about it.

[@spinodude123]

S-tier video bro

[@BWHERE]

🙏🙏🙏

[@DXRKSPXCE]

Perfect place to learn all the shit I need to scale my own characters. Quite appreciated

[@camdenthompson4307]

I've personally never been a big fan of power scaling, but I do see the appeal of it and I do kind of understand it a little I was trying to get into writing, mainly for games and all, and as I was fleshing out the world, the thought came up in my mind as to how people would compare what I wrote. mainly I wrote the characters I had not really to intentionally be powerful, but rather to just be interesting and unique to each character(obviously I think I made some stronger than others but that was bound to happen). the story I had in mind doesn't really focus on strength or skill in a fight, but rather on just straight up survival, where it doesn't matter if the main characters win or kill the opponent, but on just being able to live. in short, what I thought of instead was what if a group of characters would go through roughly the same plot points. I'll just list a few popular groups I thought of, I used the rule that the universes kind-of worked in certain ways but not others (such as stealing an opponents ability, how things would interact, where certain things would affect others, etc.) I'll also mention a few characters I made when it does fit but I won't mention scaling, but I will mention their overall powers and what they are. and lets just say the results are....interesting Justice League: surprisingly not well, since the world has a lot of magic users, Superman would struggle. is he still valuable, yes, is it going to be easy for him, probably not. as for Batman, it depends on how you want to rule him since I kind of view him as having to go back and forth from the Batcave to Gotham over and over. he might have satellites that have his gear, but I wouldn't know. as for the other members, it would depend on how you rule them, green lantern is kinda a magic-tech mix, Wonder woman might either have her powers classified either as magical or Divine (extremely good if latter) and Aquaman might be the same. the Flash would be a pretty good contender actually since he's usually considered a main member, but I feel one antagonist in particular named Baron Lucien, who's main thing is making/using cursed dolls, MIGHT be interesting due to him needing to either 1. know flashes face and due a ritual for 7 days to kill him without anyone knowing, or 2. make a Flash doll himself and get close enough to kill him without him knowing what's going on, besides that and some variables on who's in the team, its not going well Z-Fighters:.....its really not that interesting, at least in terms of fights. as for out in the wilderness, that's debatable, I don't know how smart any of them are out in the woods, but I think a few of the more human fighters would manage. Team-7: fairly ok, being ninja's actually may vary on how good they are early on since despite them being, you know, ninja's, I don't think its shown them being focused on stealth that much, either way, I think they'd do fairly well and have a nice variety of skills with them. I could see people just say "oh, Naruto and sasuke would beat every fight" but again, its not about that, its about being alive, and that they would accomplish very well. some fights would be interesting though, Like Ulrik, who's basically a dead guy revived with cursed armor who can't really die, but can be delayed/subbdued via removing the armor and finding a way to prevent it from getting back on (before anyone asks. No, you cannot break it, unless you somehow manage to break reality, which is possible and literally what 2 forms of power revolve around, but not really possible either way). another good encounter would probably be characters like, again, Baron Lucien, but also characters like Nil (main gimmicks being cryomancy, incredible speed, a sword that withers life around it, and being a parody of a sterotypical edgelord, mainly because I though it would be funny), Arheim (gimmick being he's a shadowspawn, which is a being made of negative emotions), Diavolo( really a basic human, but does lead a huge military and sort of a cheap bastard due to his only real trick being fencing and having a literal gun), etc. overall, pretty fun overall, I don't really know if I should be doing this, but if you guys have any questions or requests, I don't mind talking about it.

[@masternetboss2984]

Interesting

[@black.sasuke.uchiha]

45:02 i’m curious what he was going to say with “appeal to motive fallacy.“ he most likely had to scrap it due to pesky copyright. I subscribed! A top-tier video, keep it up!

[@black.sasuke.uchiha]

Also I don’t think he’ll see this so I’ll continue talking in the third person. I love how at the end, he shouted out a channel that had less than 2500 subscribers. I subbed to him too!

[@kringly4196]

Also the xeno goku section

[@fruit3193]

I was not expecting to see SethTheProgrammer as a point on the list. I used to debate with him nearly 10 years ago back on Google+, and it's nuts to think he's still around and making a name for himself (even if it has taken a turn for the worse) He used to be the absolute worst when it came to DBZ.

[@crocoboi7936]

Crazy what happened to him….

[@solbradguy7628]

I think when people use the word "solo" in reference to a 1v1 fight it's because one of those characters is really powerful, like they're a raid boss that you would expect many characters would be needed to take down. If you solo a raid boss in an MMO, that would be quite a feat, right? That's a powerful enemy designed to be fought by many players so even though the fight is a 1v1, it's not expected that the player character is able to solo that boss. I don't really think it's unusual to use the word this way. For example someone might say Goku can solo the entire Naruto universe. Someone else might argue that no, Itachi alone could solo Goku. I think both these uses of the word are correct.

[@mayborneflower]

On the note of game mechanics, can we apply glitches and exploits to a debate should either the game’s publisher acknowledge (or even endorse) them in an official capacity or if the game’s playable character is a fourth-wall breaker who’s proven capable of playing their own game autonomously? I mainly have Sonic the Hedgehog in mind since the Speed Strats series on the official Sonic KZbin channel does both, occasionally both at the same time (namely Classic Sonic using debug mode to cheese the end of Sonic 2 as Super Sonic). Heck Classic Sonic in Sonic 1 performed the wraparound glitch in Marble Zone Act 1 solely to shitpost about the “you not only cheated the game but yourself” copypasta during Sekiro’s heyday.

[@Halvos12]

Correction, Batman did not craft the bullet that killed Darkseid, he took the round that killed Orion and restored it into a full bullet, I believe Darkseid himself crafted the bullet, Batman just pulled it out of Orion.

[@juniorkyle8123]

bro whats with the random cuts? wheres xeno goku?

[@matthewmuniz8509]

Copyright happened

[@TeeloTheH0neyBee]

I knew about some of this stuff up until later 3, it’s so cool to see my elementary school playground arguments make up a genuine community, amazing video with a very touching ending as well! 💛✨ (Hopefully we see Reality Fiction Transcendence in Chris Chans dimensional merge)

[@mayborneflower]

Commenting before I watch in full, wanted to ask anyone who may see this comment: Classic Metal Sonic vs Persona 3 Aigis, who’d win? Metal Sonic gets his extra equipment (both Eggman tech, and power-ups from Sonic 4 and Superstars’ Battle Mode), limited Badnik help (mainly Hotarus, Eggrobos, and mini Silver Sonics), Dark Rings, Chaos Emeralds, the Master Emerald, and the Phantom Ruby; Aigis has her Itemized Messiah set, full Wild Card privileges (including S.E.E.S.‘s Personas and Velvet Room access), the Sub-Persona system (aka, Zeus and Zeus), and a full inventory.

[@HeavyShores]

It’s all fun and games until someone mentions Adventure Time powerscaling

[@godversesans5152]

Ill also explain the different types of speeds with using the speed formula. Note you cant use any powers or abilities to achive these speeds. You wouldn't call someone who can teleport having Inaccessible speed. S(speed)=D(distance)/T(Time) Infinite speed. Being able to go infinite distance in any amount of time. S(infinite)=D(infinite)/T(Time) Inaccessible speed being able to move in 0 time S(Inaccessible)=D(infinite)/T(0) Immeasurable speed being able to go negative time or be so fast your beyond time in terms of speed. S(Immeasurable)=D(infinite)/T(negative or transcends) irrelevant speed being so fast that you transcend space itself with your speed. S(irrelevant)=D(transcends)/T(trancends)

[@ElliotFW]

My anthro squirrel lumberjill OC, Ruby Redwood could solo all of ‘em!

[@BWHERE]

Too bad my OC is actually as strong as Ruby Redwood plus infinity

[@michaelkindt3288]

How aware is the power scaling community of Ulforce V-dramon (X-Antibody)? Because one of that digimon's abilities is to just win. Like, it's description is to bend the loss of reality to just win, instantly. You can probably do a whole video on Digimon power scaling alone, it gets insane.

[@TheReZisTLust]

Weird thing about Ben & Alien X people ignore is he can just use his other Aliens in tandem with it, hes shown in multiple episodes to be able to have independent aliens "Clone in a car" remeber?. So its always weird they make it a 1v1 and not a Ben 10v1

[@mayborneflower]

Seems a bit redundant in the case of Alien X when he can just have a thousands-strong army of Alien X on a whim (as proven when Ben went on trial for illegally rewriting reality) and can do stuff like casually make his enemies beat themselves up just because he can (as per his fight with the Rooters and Plumbers Kids).

[@theextracrispycolonel9502]

Using the Ninjago clip for "character induced stupidity" is all too true 😂😭😂

[@jacobspin7475]

This video would be a million times better if it wasn’t absolutely riddled with ads

[@animeking1357]

Ublock origin is your friend.

[@graduator14]

Very comprehensive! Great video.

[@ghoulbuster1]

I can't believe the iceberg forgot about the absolute most OP character in fiction, Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo.

[@neon50100]

Nice long video super fun to listen to :)

[@BWHERE]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@Nevaduh]

i always thought dark schnieder was an in-joke i wasnt aware of that was basically just a meme that a darker version of dan schnieder beats everyone

[@Ramsey276one]

1:14:32 TierZoo and Casual Geographic Are my favorite sources of animal facts

[@Tachyon836]

I've been powerscaling shit since fucking 2012 and I can say that I think the community has a bad rep for things outsiders looking in don't seem to get. I love it, it's fun to do and trying to quantify what fictional characters do in real world terms is a good way to test your mind or something. I remember I had some wild theories back when I was a teenager, some very old arguments I had on comicvine and moviecodec forums. Were some interesting times indeed. I remember comicvine at one point banned DBZ vs Comics threads of all kinds for awhile. They might even still have that rule.

[@lolxdyyyyy]

The spanish equivalent of weak homelander is "el snkverso es barrido" or the snkverse is destroyed by literally anyone

[@vonnegutfrey8714]

Love power scaling (and hate it), but its fun.

[@trianglburger19]

17:44 who is the 12d+? character on the right? 36:55 Kirby is also 8 inches tall, so keep that in mind as well.

[@Bhoddisatva]

Power Scaling is an interesting hobby. The various claims put out by scalers can be a useful barometer for me. I am a game master for a tabletop superhero game and occasionally need to estimate established characters before bringing them into the game. But in a lot of ways I'm also in the author's seat - similar to the actual comic writers for example - so the characters need to bend to the needs of the game's story and what my player's characters can accomplish. So usually an author's intuition about where powers lie is more useful overall than raw calculations based on what other authors have their characters do.

[@JustSomeGuy9]

Besides real> fiction transcends, the presence and azathoth, it's pretty good

[@BWHERE]

I'll take it!

[@markvlogs1758]

Lightnovels should be in here. Usually, people bring it up as another source of feats that usually have the MC far more powerful than their canon/manga/anime versions. Again, people should pick and choose whether or not to include them into debates.

[@BWHERE]

good point!

[@DolyPierce]

1:31:18 Bill Cipher from Gravity Falls *kinda* did something like that where in an AMA on reddit he possessed Alex Hirsch (the shows creator) to communicate through reddit

[@-Mister-_._-Sir-]

As fun as it is to debate, the powerscailing is broken at it's core. When a writer put something on paper they do not think about how much sense it makes or how it applies to real world physics or how does that make sense in every other verse ever. Therefore you end up with awkward situations where a character can display such absurd level of say strength for example that they should by all means explode people in a single attack, which is directly contradicted by what was stated earlier and the fact that they do not explode people with a single attack. Then you got db writer who makes such stupendous claims like some attacks travel to edge of existence in minutes in a universe allegedly bigger than our own, which if you know anything about our actual universe, it makes no fucking sense. So you end up with a lot of things that make absolutely no sense, contradictions up the wazoo and then somehow you got to take that work full of falacies and compare it to another just as flawed work.

[@uboa8060]

Not to mention their math is horribly wrong. Having more dimensions doesn't suddenly mean you're infinitely stronger, because that's not how infinity works. No matter how many dimensions you stack onto it, you'll always have Aleph null count of junk in those dimensions.

[@guydunn8259]

Well the crux of the debates rely on fictional universes are not always internally consistent. The powers and abilities of characters may vary from one story or writer to another. There is no definitive answer, in reality because it's fiction. Ultimately boils down to bias, or whomever they have a stronger emotional attachment too. Fallacies are common, but one particular fallacy I think of when it comes to power scaling debates are the circular reasoning. Restating entire arguments ad nauseam, endlessly forever. At that point you'd be better off arguing the existence of god. Of course if we combine all that we're gonna end up with inconclusive results.

[@djeghnounsabrina5469]

Cool vid dude

[@elcalduccyeii9855]

1:31:25 only because Batgos is too humble to reclaim it.

[@ReplayedCo]

Fire video 😎👀

[@RamenHutt]

I would say all the pokemon could beat an infinite number of lions. Because there are pokemon that transcend 3d space. Since the lions are infinite you could view them as an ever expanding universe of their own. Arceus is scaled around low 1-c because he created a multiverse (atleast he created the creatures that created and maintain it) so i would argue (since creation from nothing is usually considered more impressive than destruction of the same quantity) that arceus could simply destroy the lions countable infinity by virtue of being a being that transcends countable infinities.

[@conanedogawa4798]

1:31:30 B-WHERE, your avatar smacked me in the face with all of those gesticulations during the video. You can consider yourself to have claimed the top of the power scale.

[@tytyfamilygamer14]

What happened with the Xeno Goku and Reality Equalization sections? Other than that great video

[@taskmanager_1021]

Power scaling can be fun when people aren't being baised or taking things too seriously

[@Pornelius007]

Nah they’re spitting with Thor Slowdinson. Plenty of his reaction anti feats don’t have an explanation behind him and are just him being slow. Not really jobbing if all Thor does is be a slowpoke

[@darkmario720]

So what about "Plays"? When you watch a play you are still watching fictional characters but they can still come down from the stage and interact with you the viewer. So would that be breaking the 5th wall?

[@thetf8142]

Jobbing isn’t when a character loses a fight they should win, it’s just when a character loses a fight to make another character look stronger. For example, Thanos beating hulk in infinity war. It’s a very popular term used in professional wrestling like the wwe

[@electricburst0986]

Batman with prep time solos your iceberg

[@loltwest9423]

I was wondering when we’d get to Lovecraftian deities. Just surprised it took that long. Also, Jesus Christ, this whole power scaling thing got out of hand really quickly.

[@mayborneflower]

16:40 - Oh like in Generator Rex where Rex can turn his limbs into various gadgets and weapons on command but noticeably only cycled through each individual weapon quickly rather than juggle multiple. A short ways into Season 3, Rex’s older friend and minder Agent 6 (who recently suffered several years worth of amnesia, so he’s suddenly more outspoken and less mature than at the start of the series) just bluntly asks Rex why he doesn’t try wielding several unique weapons at once (seeing as his legs turn into a hover bike while his arms turn into matching pairs of weaponry). It simply turned out Rex just never thought of it and gets pushed into live firing this idea in an underground motocross race a short while later. Rex then makes liberal use of multiple weapons at once for the rest of the series.