Explaining the Doctor Who Iceberg

[@zoefioretta8806]

if youre an american who likes doctor who i dont trust you sorry not sorry

[@raniel6850]

im an asian who likes doctor who

[@piniatafullofblood]

Fair enough. Sorry, your missing out.

[@TokuNorth]

What kind of logic is that?? You can only like certain things if they're from the same place as you? Example: No one can like LEGO if they aren't danish?? No one can like martial arts if they aren't from any of the asian countries? No one can like dogs if they themselves aren't dogs?? Go to hell man :D

[@zoefioretta8806]

@@TokuNorth this guy probably had subtitles on during Ecclestons season ☠

[@mctoxin]

Zoe, say that to the American who watched the 1st doctor, Christopher, David, Matt, and Capaldi. (And occasionally, Tom and Patrick.)

[@muttipi]

It’s all based on reality man i was there dude i met the 10th doctor once and he was pretending to be some guy named dave or something and he kept saying cryptic stuff like “stop following me around it’s all fake im going to call the police,” are ‘the police’ a species of aliens they never mentioned in the series?

[@monsterinparis9568]

Funny

[@robertbeaudry9872]

The police don't need to be called, they're always watching you.

[@peytondewint5944]

was he speaking in a scottish accent?

[@CrocTV42]

p

[@DavidLatimer]

no... even worse than aliens. they're an english rock band from the 70s...

[@mellojoe9421]

I still want to believe that miss frizzle is secretly River song.

[@Ragnar_Aevarsson]

Omg

[@carlthesanellama3633]

You have opened my eyes to a new way of seeing my good fellow

[@thespaghettiman3821]

YOOOO

[@CourtTV.]

rofl omg. I think I've only compared river to frizzle once.

[@Gundam_JAY]

I mean it could technically work but who knows.

[@A6by]

I like to believe that Ten's levitating jesus act in The Last of the Time Lords was just him remembering the levitation book.

[@JakeSommer]

Wait this scene suddenly makes more sense

[@iMarryTheGaga]

I feel with the Rose scrapped storyline, that kinda happened with Clara in a loose way. She became the ‘perfect’ companion for the Doctor, so much so she was becoming the Doctor (which obviously ultimately killed her), but instead of the Doctor messing with a human for the perfect companion, Missy stepped in and chose Clara because she knew she would be the best match for him. So in a round about way, we kinda got that storyline

[@tgiacin435]

That just makes me hate Rose and Clara even more. We don’t need the companions to be special. They’re the audience identification character. Why do we need the bad wolf crap, or the hybrid crap with Clara not dying, but instead gets her own tardis because she’s “entitled to her past” even though her being “alive” puts the entire universe at risk.

[@waterorjazz]

The weird thing is the idea of a blonde English teenager whose existence had been altered to create the perfect companion was actually part of the Faction Paradox arc in the Eighth Doctor Adventures books in the form of Sam Jones. Eight also creates a similar kind of companion on two different occasions in the Big Finish audios.

[@emotion_deluxe]

the only time I've liked a companion being plot oriented was with Donna. It complimented her development and role as something the viewers can identify with. I really thought the finale was a great way to reinforce the doctor trying to tell the audience that anyone can make a difference. Plus, her character exit was actually quite dark too, which was something the show needed after leaving martha and sarah jane in a grey area, and rose relatively better off than last time. I think with amy, it attributed to her overstaying her welcome, and to me, it also by extension ruined river's mysterious persona. it's like everything was always about amy but amy herself never actually changed. I haven't watched Bill or Clara yet, but from what i hear, they both develop well as a companion so I'm hoping they are fun to watch.

[@willlauzon3744]

What is a "Missy"?

[@Proygon]

i dont really know much about the Master, would it be in-character for the Master to make a perfect companion for the Doctor so that he would be extremely close with them but would be mentally fucked up by realising the Master created them?

[@KyrieFortune]

Tier 1-9: progressively obscure trivia Tier 10: reality is an illusion

[@ishathakor]

*sixth doctor voice* we're not dealing with reality!

[@ranjanasharan4051]

REALITY IS AN ILLUSION UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM BUY GOLD BYE!!!

[@antedeguemon76556]

@@ranjanasharan4051 ah,i understand the reference

[@RowanWisteria777]

@@ranjanasharan4051real

[@alistairetheblu]

The theory about Rory being the Master got a lot more specific. There were a couple of times they refered to him as hearing drums in his head, which was a big plot point for the Master. When River Song regenerated in front of them he got a headache. There's an episode where everyone finds their biggest fear in a room, except Rory, and when the Doctor finds his we don't see it but the Doctor says "of course it'd be you". It really feels like something they were considering even if they didn't go with it in the end. ...and it's Peter Davison btw, not Davidson. Only one D, at the start.

[@obiwankenobi687]

The line about Rory getting a headache in let’s kill Hitler was 100% a joke. They mention a sort of banging in his head a grand total of one time. In that same episode and Amy says ‘yeh I think that’s Hitler in the cupboard’. It was just a joke plain and simple because he’d had a stressful, confusing day. And him not having a room in the hotel was nothing to do with fear it was about him not having faith in anything. He wasn’t religious or superstitious so he had no faith to fall back on, which was the food for the creature. Therefore the Minotaur didn’t need to bother with Rory and kept showing him a way out as he wasn’t needed there. I don’t actually think ‘of course it’d be you’ is actually said by eleven either. He says ‘who else’ meaning the crack in the time, the crack is what he sees in the god complex. Who else makes zero sense however this was just Moffat not actually planning anything out. If he’d literally have said ‘what else?’ Then people and places and objects etc can all be applied to that question. But ‘who else’ is just ridiculously limiting and in the end didnt work at all. As a crack is not a ‘who’. But regardless of all that It’s definitely nothing to do with any sort of master subplot though, these are just mega reaches

[@joshuamitchell4158]

The crack in the wall is in the doctors fear room - this is revealed during Time of the Doctor.

[@DarkButz]

@@obiwankenobi687 But look! Master ends with an "R"! You know what begins with an "R"? That's right! "ROSE". And if you remove "SE" and and "RY" it becomes "RYRO". Now if you look really closely and switch the vowels it spells "RORY". But it goes EVEN DEEPER! Remember the "SE" that we have removed? Well, if we add "RY" to it, it becomes "SERY". Remove the "E", reverse and add the "RO" again and it becomes "SORRY", which perfectly fits this sorry excuse of a theory.

[@Arcadi4.44]

We see Rory as a kid with Amy so its not possible

[@aspwillow]

anything else he's got two of? no, okay

[@robbiesmith8055]

Oof, I'm so glad RTD never made that thing with Rose's backstory canon. One of the nicest things about the early NuWho companions what that they were just Totally Normal Unimportant People. Rose was literally just some 19yr old Londoner who happened to be quite brave and bright. Martha was similarly just a capable medical student, and while she saved the world and travelled the globe, she did that on her own merit, and it wasn't because prophecy foretold it or something. The you've got Donna, whom I love and cherish, who was seemingly always destined to meet the Doctor. As was Wilf, because he had the all important role of accidentally causing the death of one of his favourite people in the universe. Then there's Amy, caught up in an insane plot to birth River Song and kill the Doctor. And then of course Clara, who yeets herself into the Doctor's timestream and 'was born to save the Doctor'. I love all these companions, but god I hate it when they become the centre of the entire goddamn universe. They're normal people who just happen to be friends with a quirky time traveller. Having Rose and Martha stay (comparatively) unimportant in the scheme of the universe was nice.

[@graaaaaaaaaaaaaaace]

I agree with you - but also the point about Clara and Amy both being heavily involved almost retroactively makes Donna's deal stand out less. I think between the three of Amy, Clara, and Donna, I end up preferring Donna, because even if Dalek Caan pushed her timeline around to meet the Doctor, at her core she was just a regular woman. Amy and Clara never really were just "normal" people. (Amy having the cracks of time throughout her life, Clara with the timestream.) At least to me. Though Rose does have Bad Wolf, which is sort of on par with Caan manipulating timespace for Donna?

[@blackphoenix77]

Agreed! Every single companion doesn't need to be *The Most Important Person In History.*

[@bradentheman1373]

Sometimes I think the companions are like to much If the doctor never met them he would’ve died in some cases, But he had to meet them or else for example something bad would happen cause important companions usually figure out something before him, and what not so yeah

[@lja1993]

Clara was ok at first but she became in-fucking-suffrable once Matt Smith left. I really hated the way she was written to belittle and order 12 around.

[@peaceunion5316]

That's moffat for you.

[@justanormalhumanbeing1903]

The reason Rassilon mentions the Weeping Angels is because he was saying the two people who stood against the end of time would have to watch on their failure and destruction with their hands over their eyes like weeping angels. Later in the episode there were two time Lords stood covering their eyes. It wasn't saying that time Lords were weeping angels but just a reference to them

[@katarinabrunk8698]

he literally says something about "the weeping angels of the old" I don't quite know what it's about but I distinctly remember hearing and being like "wait what?"

[@SymbioteMullet]

@@katarinabrunk8698 "Only two stand against, and will stand as monument to their shame, like the Weeping Angels of old." In reference to the decision of the Time Lord council to deny their fate, break the time lock, escape the Time War and return Gallifrey to the universe, then ascend beyond it, with the unfortunate side effect of destroying the universe, past present and future. Gallifrey Rises...

[@amandad9789]

The only theory I've seen about that is the time lords who are punished like that become the weeping angels. It's like a long process but they basically turn to living stone from standing like that so long

[@ThePsycoDolphin]

My guess is (and I semi like it) is that Weeping Angels are what happens when regeneration go horribly wrong. Like, instead of regeneration, your cells go worse, or you go back a regeneration, or regenerate too much and start wasting bodies out of control. I'd guess the Weeping angel process is a side effect, their bodies start to fossilise, the skin petrifying into stone as a kind of self preservation for the uncontrollable decay of the flesh. I half imagine the Master during the Deadly Assasin was almost half way there to becoming one judging by the pace of his decay (stopped only by having access to some of the Eye of Harmony, and subsequently getting some healing from the Traken source).

[@ms_scribbles]

@@katarinabrunk8698 He said LIKE the Weeping Angels. Not that they actually were. He was making them stand **LIKE** them.

[@dean1543]

Regeneration is something that Time Lords specifically can control. They took classes on how to do it prior to becoming Time Lords. I believe it was the Master who said that our Doctor barely passed the class.

[@multovale]

There is something so strangely alluring and comforting with that phrasing "our doctor barely based the class" like with all his skill and cleverness, we see Our Doctor being inept at regenerating. I love it

[@SymbioteMullet]

He's always been implied to be not terribly smart by timelord standards; although Rassilon says that he "Got his doctorate" in #10's final moments, so he's definitely got something going on brainwise. I always took this to mean that the Master had a master's degree, although what subjects they studied i don't think is ever said.

[@Defnotdiablo]

​@@SymbioteMullet I like to believe the doctor was the cool kid in school who always talked at the back of the classroom and was always the first to leave to go skateboarding or something. In reality he was probably not even close to the most intelligent of the time lords, but definitely one of the wisest as he's pretty much the only one who attempted to stop the time war through other means, and has always tried to focus on saving lives. Many other time lords have shown to be not so kind hearted. To me the doctor and the master are similar to Jayce and Viktor from league/arcane, the doctor is less scientifically intelligent (kind of) but more emotionally intelligent, and the master is the opposite. The yin to his Yang if you will.

[@ishathakor]

the doctor has been implied/outright stated a bunch of times to be very average or even below average by timelord standards quite a bit. there's also that stuff about how he's terrible at flying the tardis plus that line by tennant about how he failed the class in which they learnt how to fly one

[@ranjanasharan4051]

@@multovale i feel like that is the reason why doctor doesnt like regenerating when master and even mels/river are always excited to regenerate. he isnt good at it and gets attached to normal bodies

[@alfredvickers4054]

If Chibnall revealed that the Doctor and the Master really _were_ siblings the whole time, that would make Missy kissing the 12th Doctor a bit awkward. But, hey, Star Wars got away with it!

[@KingEhrys98]

Well we don't know what kissing means culturally on Gallifrey. It could be like hugging.

[@timrob12]

@@KingEhrys98 That's actually a good point.

[@theamericanyoutuber]

And then the Doctor has become overly sensitized to this because of humans who view it as romantic (which would explain Capaldi’s reaction).

[@timrob12]

@@theamericanyoutuber Great observation.

[@gavinpicard3003]

wouldn't them being siblings be impossible now that at least one of them fell from some sort of riff-portal?

[@thatlonewolfguy2878]

Holy shit this goes from trivia and "hey bet you didn't know this weird lil fact" to D O C T O R W H O I S R E A L A N D H E R E I S P R O O F

[@jjtv9928]

Wait what...

[@AeonKnigh432]

It's an Iceberg video, they're all that stupid

[@andrewsmart4491]

Surprised that when talking about the Doctor's age you didn't mention RTD'S novella Dr Who and the Time War which details how time was weaponised during the conflict with combatants being aged and de-aged several times, The Doctor was left with no idea of his true age but estimated it to be in the late 800's which he rounded up to a nice even 900. It's also posited that due to The Doctor essentially living within the Time Vortex he doesn't physically age at the same rate as other Timelords which leads into his extremely aged appearance after defending Trenzalore for so long.

[@kingmuizz708]

That's pretty interesting and I'd love if that was explored more

[@crayzkato6607]

I actually love how him being the one with the greatest exposure to the vortex affects him in some way

[@fartgarfunkeljr]

Oh holy shit

[@starkillerz6235]

I thought he lived long on Trenzalore was because river have him her regeneration, and as Peter capaldi's doctor says time lord take a long time to die.

[@tgiacin435]

If only it was mentioned in the show. It’s weird calling he says he’s 900 since he was 900 as 6, and 947 or something when he became 7. That was something that should’ve been mentioned

[@Wolf359inc]

One final comment from me regarding Doctor Who: if the theory of the multiverse is true, and there exists infinite universes in infinite parallel dimensions, then in one, or many more, of these dimensions, the Doctor, Gallifrey - and all of it - actually exists as part of those realities... this thought keeps me warm at nights.

[@killernyancat8193]

In the comics, The Tardis landed the 11th Doctor in our reality and he attended a Comic Con.

[@JJ-sq1fv]

I mean that would be cool and what not. But all the crazy ass shit in DW like Daleks, Cybermen, Weeping Angels, and the like freak me out so much I’d rather them not be real.

[@Wolf359inc]

@@JJ-sq1fv I agree. As much as I would love for the Doctor to be real, their universe is a very dangerous, very terrifying place...

[@robbycooper6787]

Possibly and in one of those universes a doctor who x mlp / self insert fan fiction actually happened, makes me not want to wake up at night

[@doctormew9399]

I mean...but if that's true....in Doctor Who, there's tons of times where the entire multiverse is at stake because of something from the Doctor who universe. So technically...okay, now I've got a headache.

[@azaleacolburn]

Tier 1-9 normal stuff I know, Tier 10: THE DOCTOR IS REAL!

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

Yeah. I went to their office and everything.

[@Akamai2HI]

One of my favorite Tom Baker moments is when he's trapped under a bookcase and is reading a book on how to levitate. Wish I could remember which episode.

[@markherron4249]

Sounds like you’re referring to Destiny of the Daleks, except the book has nothing to do with levitation and is in fact about the origins of the universe, which the Doctor proclaims the author got wrong

[@crayzkato6607]

You got which book mixed up, the book of levitation was a comic which i think is a third doctor story

[@Ihatemissteale]

I think we just ruined one of his favourite Tom Baker moments...

[@zakramsey3508]

@@markherron4249 Furthermore, it's not a bookcase. No bookcases on Skaro, sorry.

[@emmahealy4863]

I love that we all read that and accepted "yep, sounds like something The Doctor would do!" without questioning it

[@hifive789]

Up until Tier 7/8 I thought "yeah I know all of this stuff". Then he came to Tier 9-10 and I even felt a little shiver down my spine. Either these are scary coincidences or he is really good at making something seem scary. Or both.

[@claudius3359]

I personally thought that the only thing that makes it scary is his narrations lol He's hyping them up as scary,but I just find them neat and weird

[@johnderat2652]

@@claudius3359 This is something I really hate about iceberg videos. The narrator always tries to make it seem scary and its just cringe. Like bro, treat it as it is, neat, interesting trivia. Not some horror crap.

[@simnm8057]

​@@johnderat2652thats my favourite part of this iceberg videos

[@gearmachine_4885]

I really didn’t think I’d learn so much new about Doctor Who in this video, but turns out I know less about the fandom than I thought I did... The only thing I would’ve added to tier 9 or 10 is „Scongo“, the best Classic Who villain of all time.

[@channelname69]

soooo true

[@TheRandomshite123]

Oh come on, every fan knows about scongo's antics, he should be in tier 1 or maybe 2

[@NicoleM_radiantbaby]

Season 6B always helps make The Second Doctor and Jamie still traveling together in 'The Two Doctors' make a bit more sense as well. :)

[@julieeverett7442]

plus the console of that TARDIS had a remote control on it, the doctor actually complained about this. Not to mention we never got to see a proper regeneration for 2nd

[@rockotarsoldaccount]

I've personally never liked season 6b theory it undermines the tragedy and impact of the war games ending

[@NicoleM_radiantbaby]

@@rockotarsoldaccount I agree. I think it just came up in fandom because of 'The Two Doctors' making things confusing, but that gut punch of an ending for 'War Games' is definitely my fave of the regeneration stories.

[@julieeverett7442]

@@rockotarsoldaccount I didnt say I liked it, I said there are hints it might be true

[@markfernkopf5133]

@@NicoleM_radiantbaby The Season 6b Theory started in 1969 when the comic strip in DW Magazine had several Second Doctor Adventures after War Games where The Doctor had begun serving his sentence in exhile on earth but had not yet been made to regenerate . Details in The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors don't make any sense whatsoever because The 2nd Doctor has knowledge he shouldn't have , appears to be working for the Timelords , he calls out the fake companions as fake because they had their memories of traveling with him erased so they shouldn't know him , Though if The 2nd Doctor knows that then this is after The War Games but prior to Regeneration into 3 . The Two Doctors was when The Season 6b Theory became simply Season 6b . The writer's purposefully took the fan theory of season 6b that conquered Continuity Conundrums so well , and categorically confirmed Season 6b as in show canon proper having The Doctor explain that he is unofficially publicly working for the Timelords Celestial Intervention Agency. Several novels comics etc take place during Season 6b intentionally . I don't know if big finish has done any Session 6b stories yet or not. Since the show finally confirming the 20 year old theory as canonical in Two Doctors, the television show proper wouldn't reference Season 6b directly again for over another 30 years . The Fugitive of the Judoon , and The Timeless Children reconfirms the canonicity of Season 6b , several times over, with some definite surprises hidden within it's ominously intimidating length of concealed timelords secrets . .. that cleverly fill in more plot holes too . We're introduced to the completley forgotten Fugitive Doctor from Season 6b. We see her recruitment to The Division as a young newly Regenerated Time Lady in that zoom meeting. I'm thinking the festive new year special starting like twice Upon a Time, previousIy on Doctor Who 627 episodes ago , we continue on from the end of War Games, we see the Regeneration completed thanks to cgi , spinning the world from b&w into color as The Second Doctor Regenerates into the young Fugitive Doctor as we saw her in The Timeless Children and then she will likely be escourted to that zoom division recruitment meeting that we now see and understand more in context as the opening titles starting up. Kinda a mix between season 6 and 7 ',s titles . The Fugitive Doctor opening titles for Season 6b.1 aka The Division Era..... Series 14 aka Season 41 aka 60th anniversary season aka The Fugitive Doctor era . Jo Martin isn't the 14th Doctor but she could easily be the next Doctor the show follows in season 6B for. A few years . We already seen her retirement from the division thru the Brendan perception filter, memories of the entire Regeneration that worked for the division erased via Chameleon Arch simultaneously rewriting her DNA into being a regular full blooded two-hearted 12 regeneration limited Gallifreyan Time Lord triggers her now 1st of 12 regens controlled by the Timelords to hide secrets reusing the face worn immediately previously albeit a bit older The Second Second Doctor of Season 6b.2 as seen on The Three Five Two Doctors

[@Paula-dot-jpg]

My favorite thing about the Peter Davison meat tidbit is that before Douglas Adams wrote the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books, he had written several episodes of the Fourth Doctor era for the BBC and had incorporated some scrapped episode ideas into some of the events that happened in his books, meaning there are more connections to Hitchhiker's Guide and Doctor Who than were listed in the video.

[@thatjedifromgallifrey6663]

Not to mention after the Tenth Doctor defeats the Sycorax in the duel from The Christmas Invasion he says, "Very Arthur Dent. Now, there was a nice man!" So if you want to, you can even infer that Hitchhiker's Guide and Doctor Who are in the same universe and that Arthur knows the Doctor.

[@gay_madilynn]

- sees this video - "hey this is cool ima watch it" - over an hour long - nearly 1 am - oh no

[@toyloliSpare]

The simplest and cannon explanation for the Watchers is : A Timelord majorly effs up, usually by trying to avoid death in a way that causes dozens if not others to be hurt or killed. They then go back in time creating a paradox and pressuring their past self to "do the right thing" usually give up their life to save others. When the event that cause the timelord to create the paradox is resolved, time changes and the watcher dissapears. The reason for their weird appearance is cause their existance within their own timeline while still having the same body is dangerous (like what happened when Rose touched her baby self in that altered timeline/reality). Time is actively trying to get rid of the watcher. Also Theta Sigma was the Doctor's Class/student number. Class Theta, student Sigma.

[@Nae_ex]

So is The Doctor a sigma male?

[@Th30th3rJ0J0]

Every episode of Doctor Who is personalised.

[@piniatafullofblood]

1:08:32 the tardis can actually go invisible, as shown in one of 11s arcs. He just never does because it drains too much power.. I wonder if that was a tip of the hat at the original script for the first episode

[@dodgem_who3921]

it was also in 10s

[@artyb27]

And 12's, on Skaro.

[@zakramsey3508]

If by invisible, you mean cloaked from the outside, then this is also documented in The Invasion (1968).

[@legofan370]

The fact that I knew at least one thing from every tier even though I consider myself a casual fan, makes me very proud of myself. Also i think WIDWWA should be on here somewhere.

[@thelastofthetimelords9043]

I knew at least one thing from every tier myself.

[@legofan370]

@@thelastofthetimelords9043 With a username like that, I would hope so, lol.

[@future057]

If anyone asks me to explain doctor who, I will send them this

[@Legxnd]

lol same 😂

[@zeallust8542]

Yep. "Heres this, watch as far as you care"

[@KeithAndrewPGbiz]

Really, don't

[@dallama2616]

sounds like a great way to turn someone away from the show

[@mr.sand7899]

Doctor Who is based on a true story.

[@TheArchitect12]

plot twist I'm the doctor

[@LukeIdontKnow]

Lol

[@everettrailfan]

We all wish...

[@LukeIdontKnow]

Yes

[@The_Nordic_Doctor]

@@TheArchitect12 i Don't remember you are you a future version of me or are you me but from an alternate timeline and universe

[@joshuakent5821]

props to that Faction paradox writer for knowing when he'd screwed up canon and deciding to leave Doctor Who. If only Chibnall would do the same.

[@nefariousgremlin7554]

That isn't entirely true. Many fans actually quite liked interference, and Miles returned to writing for doctor who in 2002, albeit briefly. And the faction paradox stories he (and other writers who contributed to the faction paradox universe) wrote are considered "canon" enough for their events to be mentioned on the doctor who wiki.

[@Wertsir]

@@nefariousgremlin7554 Faction Paradox is actually the superior depiction of the time war.

[@generatoralignmentdevalue]

If you read Alien Bodies (an earlier book in the same series before Interference), he if anything comes off as enjoying getting to alter canon. There's a chapter called The Continuity Bomb and it is what it sounds like. Really good stuff though. I think Chibnall would get away with the tineless child if it were in better stories, with a Doctor written with some depth. Moffat did all sorts of iffy things with the lore, but most of it appeared in really good episodes and the Doctor got to have an interesting and complex reaction, so we all just rolled with it.

[@nefariousgremlin7554]

@@generatoralignmentdevalue Alien Bodies is so good, its one of my favorite pieces of doctor who media

[@Askryllix]

nice stargate pfp!

[@samtheenbygremlin7177]

Didn't 12 say Missy/Master was his first crush? If they're brothers that would be real weird

[@legoworld246]

"W-what are you doing step-doctor?" ...I'll see myself out

[@fuz1on_core422]

@Finstarnessi I mean I suppose the timeless child ruins that too because I suppose if your changing dna you no longer are related right?

[@goddessstarla]

I mean since Time Lords live for such long times, they might need to well inbreed O_O

[@fahmeda.t]

amy kissed the doctor, but shes his mother in law

[@gay_madilynn]

@@fahmeda.t "I'm his wife." "Yes, and I'm his- mother in law.." (realization)

[@halex6016]

I need a Hartnell story where he's disguised as the count of St Germaine now

[@BWHERE]

We all do

[@iemonzzest]

Academy Era nerd here! The Master actually *is* included in the Deca. His name is Koscei. The others in the group (which was formed by the highest excelling students of thier class. They tried to switch others out but they had formed such a tight group it was impossible to change, which is why even if they stopped excelling they never changed their group) inculded the First Doctor or Theta Sigma ,Koscei (the Master), Ushas (the Rani), Mortimus (the Monk), Drax, Vansell, Rallon, Jelpax, Millennia, and Magnus. Theta Sigma was also part of the Prydonian Chapter, all of which were born on the Looms with only one heart until they eventually regenerate for the first time (an ability obviously earned when one becomes a time lord.) This is why in the medical scan mentioned around 1:05:15 only shows the First Doctor with one heart. It is because he hasn't yet regenerated into a body with two hearts. There's a lot of lore and a lot of stuff we don't even know (tv spinoff hello we need you!) so yeah I don't know if it was condensed to fit the video or whatever but here is the simplified information nobody needed! So now that I can be considered an outcast of Doctor Who society, I will see myself out.

[@azaleacolburn]

You know as much as I do, wow!

[@ThetaSigma718]

So all my books were right the Doctor’s name is actually Theta Sigma. 14 year old me as been affirmed thank you so much the academy era is always interesting!

[@killernyancat8193]

@@ThetaSigma718 Well, it was stated in at least one episode of Classic Who.

[@iemonzzest]

@@ThetaSigma718 well I mean yeah as the video said it was kinda his nickname based on a longer one or a vocal version of his more mathematical complex name. Or, in fact, "Thetatropolousvsgholtazsr Sigmaakronosvexsithkada"

[@The420DeLiRiUm]

@@iemonzzest hey there, I would be interested in seeing you try to pronounce that name, and if you do, I'd try as well

[@Rekuzan]

HOW COULD YOU FORGET THE TOM BAKER CONSTRUCTION JOB STORY?!?!?!?! Tom Baker was working construction while trying to find work as an actor, and once he got the part, he had to keep it a secret for a whole week while STILL working construction while the rest of London was left to wonder whom the new mystery man was going to be that would take the reigns of this now legendary franchise. When the Friday evening paper hit, Baker's face was plastered ALL OVER LONDON, the secret was out, and his mates at work gave him a TON of S*** at the pub that night before he left. (LOVE IT!)

[@internetduck1520]

The Master being the timeless child would also explain why the Doctor was granted extra regenerations and how they keep coming back (they will presumably survive the death particle to be an antagonist again). However it doesn't explain the shenanigans with Ruth, although that doesn't make much sense on its own anyway, due to Ruth having the TARDIS as a police box before it got stuck like that with the 1st Doctor.

[@Emeraldakafunnygamerguy]

You can explain Ruth by believing that the First Doctor's regeneration wasn't a regeneration, but a renewal, not fully counting as a regeneration, and the leftover half-regeneration is kept at bay until the "Second" Doctor's forced regeneration. Season 6b, the leftover half-regeneration temporarily causes the Doctor's regeneration into Ruth, in an effort to stop the forced regeneration from happening, and then the regeneration energy is stored away in the lighthouse. Once it's broken and she flies off, the regeneration energy finally catches up with her, and she regenerates into the Third Doctor (Jon Pertwee). Having only just gotten back his Time Lord consciousness and _also_ having only just regenerated, his brain is still very hazy.

[@tkic3164]

*Here's a couple additions to the iceberg stuff mentioned that I know of.* The Jack being beheaded theory actually goes deeper. Moffat's original intention was for Jack to return in "A Good Man Goes To War." In it, he would be beheaded by the monks, thus becoming the living head that the Face of Boe is known for. Unfortunately, John Barrowman was unavailable to film due to scheduling conflicts, so Dorium ended up in Jack's place. Basically, this theory was mere inches away from being canon. There is a theory out there that the Doctor seen in "Curse of Fatal Death" ends up become the Shalka Doctor as the implied elationship between the Doctor and the Master in that would be a direct continuation off of where they are at the end of the sketch. Additionally, there is evidence that all three Ninth Doctors (Eccleston, Shalka, and Atkinson) are all canon and all existed at the same time. KZbinr DAVIS goes into that in the first part of this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGbMYmOYpJuCa7c (Also check out his Broke Canon series if you haven't, it's full of all sorts of Doctor Who rabbitholes.) Another bit of evidence to the Rory is the Master theory (and what I thought was the only evidence until this) was in "Let's Kill Hitler." In the episode, after the reaveal of Melody being River, Rory states that he's "getting a sort of banging in his head," to which Amy jokingly responds that that's probably just Hitler in the cupboard. It was speculated that this could've the Sound of Drums reaching through a biolock. In Ten's recording to Martha, the first thing he mentions in the ad libbed part is that she needs to keep John Smith from eating pears because Ten hates them. In the scene, Martha fasts forward right before this part can be heard, however Twelve references the line in his final regeneration speech. This may imply that the complete recording, including the ad libbed part, is in fact the actual recording Ten left for Martha. Season 6B is also used to explain why Two looks so much older in "The Two Doctor's" as well as a couple other plot points. Also Season 6B has been officially acknowledged by the BBC, so it's basically canon now. Before Gaimen canonized the Timelords' ability to gender swap, there was a Doctor Who: Unbound story called "Exhile" released in 2003. The Unbound series was basically Big Finish telling a bunch of What If stories. "Exhile" follows an alternate Third Doctor, played by Arabella Weir, who managed to escape the Timelords in the Season 6 finale. In order to do hid himself, the Second Doctor had to commit suicide, which the story says is the only way for a Timelord to swap genders. Dark. An alternative to the Master being the Timeless Child is that he is the Hybrid. Think about the episode, he creates the Cybermasters, a combination of Timelord and Cyberman, two warrior races; the episode takes place in the ruins of Gallifrey; and with the Master suggested to have a death wish, this all could've been done to heal his heart in some weird twisted way. In addition, "Hell Bent" implies that ALL of the Matrix's prophecies point to the Hybrid. It seems to me that the events of "The Timeless Children" are far more worthy of being the subject of EVERY prophecy than the events of "Hell Bent." Basically, screw whatever Moffat says, this is my headcanon! *And now for my own additions to the iceberg.* Star Wars Exists in Doctor Who - Just go to this link on the wiki and scroll to the bottom. tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars Sequal haters can rejoice knowing the Legends canon is the true canon! Doctor Who: LOCKDOWN - A simulcast watchalong event founded by Emily Cook of Doctor Who Magazine during the Covid-19 pandemic. During the watchalong, actors and writers from that day's episode would tweet about behind the scenes stories as well as release their own original content relavent to that episode. Original content ranged from short stories to little homemade videos from the actors continuing their character's stories. Lots of interesting additions to the canon in these. They can all be found here. kzbin.info Website From "Rose" Actually Exists - It's right here. www.whoisdoctorwho.co.uk/index4.shtml Steven Moffat's Inspiration for the Weeping Angels - Here's a copy of what Maffat said. www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/1aq57e/til_that_the_weeping_angels_was_an_actual_statue/ Also Doctor Who: Unbound should probably be on here somewhere.

[@ithuhalinqua1026]

I do want to point out that I think the idea Moffat had for Missy was that she would be the very last incarnation of the Master. I mean considering it would be the perfect final ending to the character. I know the Master has died proper several times throughout the series, but I honestly think the intention was for Missy to be the very last master and any other master following her in the series would actually be incarnations happening between Simm and Gomez. Might just be me justifying it in my head though. I've had this apparently false memory of her saying "it might take a couple of tries, but you'll get there in the end" in response to Simm's question of "and then I'll turn into you?"

[@elizabethgrosvenor153]

I'm a tier 4-5 fan, and I was surprised this was so low in the list since I thought it was bleedin' obvious 🙇🏻

[@ThePsycoDolphin]

Yeh, there's nothing to indicate the doctor meets the master in chronological order. As the master had a new regeneration cycle post time war, we've only seen 3 canonical incarnations of him (Jacobi, Dhawan and Simm). That still leaves 8 more to go, with Missy being dead last. Pretty easy to presume that IMO.

[@coolfinel]

The Master was The Doctor’s brother in a very early draft of the script for the TV movie, as evidenced by Paul McGann’s audition.

[@ishathakor]

his audition tape is so good but i burst into laughter when he said that part. i'm glad they didn't go that route

[@AceFurryTrash]

I know stuff from every tier I'm both proud and ashamed

[@ratmanandtoasternuts8172]

Same! Proud and ashamed is generally how I feel about doctor who lmao

[@wakawakatakeover]

With you there, buddy.

[@andrewmanchiraju8005]

I’m with the know stuff from every tier club

[@JJ-sq1fv]

Same

[@rickkmarks3488]

YANA my friend

[@ryanshepherd863]

I'm very late to the party here but Season 6B refers to several pieces of media where the 2nd Doctor becomes an agent for the Celestial Intervention Agency. Basically they use a timescoop to pull the 2nd Doctor from his timestream to carry out missions for them. Examples of this being the books from the Virgin Missing Adventures and some of the Big Finish audios.

[@Problembeing]

WOTAN called The Doctor “Doctor Who”, and Missy also said he was called ‘Doctor Who’ :P

[@NicoleM_radiantbaby]

DOCTORRRR WHOOO ISSSS REQUIRRRRED! (I always want to put that on my dating profile)

[@Problembeing]

@@NicoleM_radiantbaby hahaha. That’s a sipe right if ever I heard one!

[@vanessalore9942]

@problembeing Hey You!!

[@john_savage]

Missy was just "cutting to the chase."

[@ramperture]

Dude, you are a beautiful gift from the universe. Your videos are masterfully structured, so informative and interesting, your sense of humor so wonderful; you genuinely had me laughing out loud several times throughout your video. To think that a Doctor Who video randomly recommended to me at the start of the year would get me so hooked on the lore that I would sit through this hour long video is a testament to the scary effectiveness of 'the algorithm'. You're awesome man, stay frosty :)

[@BWHERE]

Wow, thank you!

[@SiriusLoveGirl]

The note after the Zagreus explanation about not getting it as your first audio story made me cackle because I did just that back in high school!! I had no idea what was going on but it had multiple Doctors (sort of) so I was very happy anyway!

[@MigoLinden]

I would like to interprete Ten's triumph over the master in S3 finale (the space Jesus transformation) showing his ability to levitate ... later in the S4 library twoparter he dangles from beneath the trapdoor - he/she survives the fall from the sky several times. There MUST be some strong ability of levitation inside the Doctor!

[@Iron_Stigmata]

You know what? Yeah! Now you mention it!

[@ranjanasharan4051]

didnt tom bakers regeneration happen because he fell off a tower

[@Terraw77]

@@ranjanasharan4051 Erm

[@LukSter18998]

Me as a regular Davies viewer: I am twelve parallel universes ahead of you

[@TimothyCollins]

I am scared about how much of a nerd I must be - I got all the way to the bottom thinking this was all common knowledge.

[@vanessalore9942]

This is just great. I love how you put so much detail in your videos.

[@BWHERE]

Thank you very much!

[@scoutanonomous4793]

I'm not sure where this lore comes from, but I know a LOT about The Deca from around the place. It's generally accepted that The Master is actually Koschei from House Oakdawn. As far as I'm aware, the members of The Deca are Theta Sigma (The Doctor), Koschei (The Master), Magnus (The War Chief), Ushas (The Rani), Rallon and Millennia (Who The Doctor takes to The Celestial Toymaker's dimension and gets killed), Mortimus, Drax, Jeplax, and Vansell (Who was known to work for the Celestial Intervention Agency). Once again, I'm not sure where I got all this from, but there's a mini Doctor Who Academy Era fandom out there. It's kind of like the Harry Potter Marauders, but WAY more obscure.

[@jam-the-hologram]

I’m pretty sure Mortimus is The Meddling Monk

[@grilledcheezzsandwich]

trying to explain the deca to my friends who are only casual fans (because i forced them to watch the show) is always an experience

[@TrojanExodus]

I personally believe that the Doctor is the Hybrid due to the fact he mentions being "half human". It just makes sense and doesn't require any deep thinking into small details that may or may not mean something

[@lucasparadox6823]

I Could be wrong but i think the 11th Doctor may have had a nod to the whole "Half Human" thing aswell. When the Silurian Doctor was about to Decontaminate him (Can't remember the episode name at the moment) he screamed out and mentioned "Remove all Human bacteria and you remove half the things keeping me alive!"

[@nygelgharrot4024]

Ahhhhh memories 'The Great Tea bag Mystery' I saw it. Live in Edinburgh. Gosh a few years ago now. I've even got a few photos of a little gathering we had the day before the show and after with Richard Franklin and good old John Levene... And I still have the original flyer!

[@BWHERE]

Oh wow! You should definitely upload a photo of that flyer somewhere, just for posterity. There's very little documentation of the performance on the internet as of now.

[@alexandergonyea4642]

Hearing that talk about the Doctor's name being a mathematical equation it'd be intriguing if in one universe his name is the Anti-Life Equation! XD Barring that, I'm impressed that I actually knew about a lot of these for at least one in each tier prior to Tier 9.

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

The Doctor’s name is the same as the meaning of life the universe and everything.

[@RobertEricJenkins]

One of the BEST doctor who videos on KZbin right here.❤

[@BWHERE]

Thanks!

[@maxamilliastolace4800]

historians will say the master and the doctor were “like brothers, best friends”

[@byungbin1395]

The confusing thing was that I was well aware of certain aspects of tier 6 and 7, but then had absolutely no clue about some of the stuff from tier 5. Interesting vid!

[@markcrorigan554]

13:49 one of the tiers should say ‘Davison not Davidson’

[@Reirek]

“If you’re familiar with JoJo’s Bizarre adventure” Now you’re speaking my language

[@christopherbravo1813]

as more of a casual Doctor Who fan, I am *shocked* at just how much of this I already knew.

[@lja1993]

Jack Beheaded by the Monks- I have my own theory here. It could well be that he was beheaded by the Monks, but I like to think there's two Jacks going around. Jack was beheaded and simply regrew his head, and went off being the same person. This makes sense from a lore standpoint of the Monks, because they wouldn't have expected his body to grow a new head, so they probably left his un-killable body alone, allowing him to escape once he was healed. The body-less Jack however, that was beheaded by the Monks, is the entity that goes on to become the Face of Boe. The other Jack doesn't necessarily have to be aware of the Face of Boe, but I'd imagine that the beheaded Jack began to take on the name of "The Face of Boe" simply for lack of confusion, as that head would've probably known his body would regrow a new head and walk off as if nothing happened 😅

[@hehehehehehehehehehe111]

This video makes me sooo happy!! I already know most of this stuff but it’s great to hear the explanations :)

[@BWHERE]

Glad you liked it!

[@ThatRandomFastingGuy]

In the Deca The Master is called Koschei. So Magnus and Koschei are 100% different people.

[@borkabrak]

There's actually an old Slavic/Russian myth about a "Koschei the Deathless". Check it out.

[@ItsButterBean1020]

Tbh it really depends on account Dicks is of the opinion they’re the same man and the VNAs might imply this too

[@osborndrums]

Hey just wanted to say this is really well done. I'm on tier 4 and I think this may be my favorite iceberg so far.

[@BWHERE]

Thanks!

[@Karen-pk3uv]

We need to have a little chat about this video. Due to its content and length I had planned on listening to this while, I did some housework,, cleaned litter boxes and fed my cats. However, if it weren't for five hungry cats passive aggressively tapping their paws, looking at their watches and meowing at me; I never would have realized that I haven't moved or done anything the entire time. I'm just sitting on my couch completely engrossed in this video. Even though you did a fantastic job, you owe my cats an apology (because I'm refusing to take responsibility in this case). LOL😜🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BWHERE]

Tell your cats I'm very sorry and they can have a can of tuna on me

[@shannonsmith924]

Great video got a bit obscure in some parts but it is pretty cool to see all the parody’s. I would’ve liked you to go more in depth of the Doctors family. The fact he’s not the last timelord and always goes silent when someone asks him if he has kids or a family. Also more about the lungburrow house.

[@Revster]

The real final doctor was the friends we made along the way

[@lencey8759]

Jago and Litefoot. Some of my favourite non-recurring side characters in Doctor Who. And you're telling me there were audio dramas of them the whole time. And I didn't know about it.

[@FlamesAndShadows]

My moment of realization wasn't from this video, but boy was I happy at the time. When watching Talons I low key liked both, but it pales in comparison to the instant incredible chemistry those 2 had when they finally met in the last episode and how sad it was to see the story over and having to follow the Tardis leaving the pair behind.

[@PixelOverload]

It's worth noting the strongest piece of evidence for Weeping Angels being related to Timelords is that in the classic series Timelords were shown being turned to stone as a form of eternal punishment

[@charlesvattimo4674]

The idea of Abbott’s perfect companion is a very striking idea, and it immediately reminded me of Nardol from 12th’s tenure. The circumstances and results are very different, one meant to be a secret and the other upfront, but both Rose and Nardol could be identified as what the Doctor of either era would most desire. The young and romantic 10th would find perfection in an equally young and romantic companion, while the old and antisocial 12th might be most comfortable around a comical yet clever companion. It’s possible this connection is coincidental, as the case of Nardol lacks the surprise heartbreaking realization which the Abbott’s Perfect Companion concept is based around.

[@SuperSinestro]

It's not so much that the chameleon circuit is broken so that it is stuck as the police box. It's broken in the sense that it keeps choosing to be a police box My favorite explanation for the police box camouflage was by Matt Smith The Doctor: "It’s camouflage. It’s disguised as a police telephone box from 1963. Every time the TARDIS materializes in a new location, within the first nanosecond of landing, it analyzes its surroundings, calculates a 12-dimensional data map of everything within a thousand mile radius, and determines which outer shell would blend in best with the environment…and then it disguises itself as a police telephone box from 1963." Which could also explain why the box can look a little different but it's always a police box

[@shibolinemress8913]

This is AMAZING work! I can't even begin to imagine the time and effort you put into all the research! I'm subscribing right now. THANK YOU! 🤗👏🥳🎶

[@BWHERE]

Welcome aboard! Very glad to have you!

[@shibolinemress8913]

@@BWHERE Allons-y! 😊

[@blahkay1503]

18:45 apparently in a good man goes to war, dorium was supposed to be jack but they couldn’t use him due to scheduling conflicts with torchwood, which explains a lot

[@RaftelX]

1 thing that was missing is the theory that the alternate 10th doctor is the valeyard after rose died an untimely death

[@isadfox]

"it now can hack computers, open locks, rewire circuitry and that just scratching the surface" yeah it doesn't do wood

[@ClonePilotSwoop]

In my head canon, the two Peter Cushing movies are actually available in the DW universe. It's like someone being told the story and then writing it as best as they remember it, turning it into a script and getting it made. lol

[@4991ukasoy]

I think in the extended cannon (books,audio,comics ect.) They touch on that fact and that the doctor helped with the 2nd movie and liked Peter Cushing lol

[@Me-rv1tw]

I remember being so hyped for the 50th anniversary when I was a kid when it came out because it came out on my birthday lmao

[@BWHERE]

2013 was 10 years ago, but sometimes it feels like yesterday

[@tadpoleslamp]

Wow! Well done! You've given me some stuff I'd like to look into. Wasn't expecting that.

[@iBloodroot]

Timeless Children makes even less sense when you consider the two hearts, three brain steps, etc. Did Gallifreyans have those already? Did they get it from the Timeless Child? Can all of 13 be a bad dream?

[@williammiller3621]

As much as I think we all dislike the Timeless Children storyline I think this is likely a pickup of the idea that the Doctor is the Other.

[@Michael-G-]

Someday we're going to discover that the BBC is controlled by the doctor, or at least one of the writers gets his stories from him, and is telling us about his past life.

[@future057]

Oh god I just watcher is all in one stint phew. Amazing content

[@mushroomwings3236]

Damn! I really liked this video. It was really informative. I like to flaunt my concerning amount of knowledge of Doctor Who and the people/other series involved to unsuspecting people, but Tiers 1-9 all had a least a couple of things I knew (and I'm honestly surprised the supposed creepypasta-esque origins of Kamelion (or even just them in general) didn't make the iceberg), but the stuff in Tier 10 is rather fascinating!! Also, the two funniest bits to me were the line "It's hard to imagine a world where the Sixth Doctor had drip" and the entirety of the segment that ran from 59:47 to 1:00:46. The fact the *police freaking lost the suit* is just so funny to me. You know what? I'ma say it. The person who did the iceberg did a disservice to one of the best bops to come from the Doctor Who fandom: "Doctor In Distress".

[@theoneamongthehidden4387]

So small thing and to be honest it might of been after this was published but the Master who grew up with the Doctor actually flat out said in an episode that the Doctor's last name is actually Who and he chose his name in such a way as to cause people to question his name by saying his full name without knowing it.

[@damianfry2080]

I feel like Jodie Whitaker isn't the problem, I actually enjoy her on screen ... But Chibnal seems to want to do more than he's capable of ... At least at the moment ... I don't pass judgement until I've seen the full run, as much as possible anyway Edit: also I feel like the timeless children would be good if while it leads us to think it's the doctor ... But turns out to be the master or could be another member of the time lords ... An ancestor of both the doctor and the master ... Would explain why they're both more capable of feats than other time lords ...

[@helloitsmrcat]

i agree - i think chibnall bit off more than he could chew and tried to do too much at once so his run so far has had very little focus :/ def with you on the timeless children thing too. as it is the concept just Doesn’t work with it as the doctor but it instead being the master could make things incredibly interesting and set the ground for some incredible character moments and explorations of morality. it’s such a good concept, it just doesn’t work with it being the doctor :/

[@alistairetheblu]

Yeah, Chibnall was involved in 5 episodes previous to Jodie's seasons. And all of them are pretty subpar. 42, The Hungry Earth, Cold Blood, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, and The Power of Three. Personally, the Dinosaurs episode was alright but mostly in idea, not so much the execution of it.

[@southcoast80]

@@alistairetheblu that explains so much- I really *really* disliked hungry earth and cold blood.

[@alistairetheblu]

@@southcoast80 Honestly 42 was the worst. Remember the one where there's a bunch of spaceship doors locked with trivia questions? That one.

[@massivecockhaver4689]

I think the idea of the timeless child should be fine on paper but don't make it a character we know at all. Have the timeless child be dead or something the idea of the time lords lying about their origins is impactful enough.

[@rekhyt_in_the_tardis]

I would just add: - leela and andred’s child - Susan naming the TARDIS even though it existed on Gallifrey - The Doctor’s wife patience - Susan not actually being the Doctor’s grandchild

[@azaleacolburn]

Love your vids bro! Awesome!

[@BWHERE]

Appreciate it!

[@Nargon46]

Woo! That was a fun ride. Great video!

[@rinmixx]

missed opportunity to call the outro "Journey's End"

[@markoconnor7163]

It may not be a huge unknown like some of those at the higher tiers, but I really like the comic story which shows 11 going back to 1963 to purposefully break the chameleon acrh. That story is aweseome!

[@MrLCGO]

I don't know how I should feel about knowing way more than I thought I would about this Iceberg. Anyways here's another fun fact: the episode name for "The Return of Doctor Mysterio" may be a reference to Mexico's name for the show back in the classic era, "Doctor Misterio" or Doctor Mystery in English (yeah, what a shocker).

[@ghostfezlet]

That actually is where the episode title came from!

[@legofan370]

I actually have a theory that Sacha Dhawan is actually the Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beevers version of the Master. He somehow goes back in time and something happens to him where he becomes a rotting corpse and gets stuck on the planet Tersurus and then later found by the Time Lord, Goth. I thought that would be an interesting enough twist.

[@alisonmulholland7221]

but how could he do that without fracturing the universe(like in the 2 masters)

[@seankelly8432]

Not a bad theory but in Masterful the decayed master is 'cured' and he"s still Geoffrey Beevers.

[@alisonmulholland7221]

@@seankelly8432 cured? isn't he still ugly in that one? spoilers that's why he has the thing that changes his fae

[@danielhickman4376]

i'm sure that in the timeless children the master mentions assassinating presidents as reference to the deadly assassin.

[@legofan370]

@@danielhickman4376 Looking back on my original comment, I probably should have said "wish" rather than "theory". Mainly because I think it would be interesting rather than a functional theory.

[@lilchrispy2218]

the 12 doctor while in the confession dial lived and died for billions of years does that not count as aging ive always wondered this if he didn't age physically he defiantly aged mentally

[@4991ukasoy]

While you have a fair point and infact if you lived 3 years mentally in some idk box simulation your body wouldn't age but your brain would (like how Neo in the matrix can fully learn Kung fu with out aging) however during the doctors time in the time dial he "dies" over and over again and we're shown the doctor making the same decisions over and over with evidence of previous 12s having been there, so while billions of years happened with in the dial the doctor only rembers 1 go breaking the wall. (Though he obviously relises how long he was there he's not weighted with the knowledge of every moment of dieing and re starting)

[@FlamesAndShadows]

I never understood why people always seen Twelve as having lived for billions of years as a character or mentally. Its always was that initial save of him pre-arrival in the teleportation device buffer, body running for the same 2-ish days in the self-renewing castle, doing the same things because he never learned, and always ending sacrificing his matter to give enough energy to the teleporter to create the body with a mind who never lived through all this and had fresh memories of losing Clara. Plus unless every little bit helps, the purpose of this place to extract confessions in return of the monster backing out of relentless pursuit for a little while while smart I feel like is being cheated by the 'save scamming', yes he might say an array of small surface deep confessions depending on whats on his mind in the moment he considers truthful, but unimportant in the moment, it just seems to have been designed as a one withering unending stay in a place you cannot escape and no power to go back the way you came, until you die or spill enough secrets for them to 'retire' you.

[@joebaumgart1146]

My fan theory is that The Doctor is a Clockworker. They also have 2 hearts and regenerate, but they're far older and more powerful than Timelords. Also their DNA is extremely similar to human DNA. Think Iris Wildthyme.

[@maxbarker8625]

I like the faction paradox guy because literally after backlash he realised he had no right to mess with the cannon anymore so chose to not mess with it anymore what's more than can be said for certain writers

[@gay4sswhovian]

It's just show how backlash is awful more than anything

[@seanmansfield4853]

This is one of the cooler icebergs out there. The lower tiers get really, *really* interesting and wack

[@BWHERE]

Thank you!

[@markfernkopf5133]

The Timeless Children confirm Lungbarrow and the Cartmel Master Plan as all canon. This video needs updated to include all the canon plot holes filled in by The Timeless Children.

[@DaringNote62]

The Timeless Child doesn't fill in any plot holes it only creates them. Also Andrew Cartmell himself has said that the Timeless Child and the Cartmell master plan are two very different things

[@markfernkopf5133]

@@DaringNote62 lol. Name one plot hole created by The Timeless Child. This entire past season has filled in several , without a single retcon. The Cartmel Master Plan and The Timeless Child are not the same thing ; however, they do support each other.

[@DaringNote62]

@@markfernkopf5133 The Timeless Child Contradictions Episodic Problems In “An Unearthly Child” The Doctor is surprised to see that the TARDIS hasn’t changed appearance from a police box, so why is it that Ruth’s TARDIS is a police box? In “The Brain Of Morbius” we see what was believed to be previous faces of The Doctor (Pre Hartnell) so why is it that this is seen? This was only scanning The Doctors memories not his actual past. It’s like deleting a file off a USB and then trying to find in off that same USB later. And even if there was some way that the machine could see the faces, Sarah Jane was there so wouldn’t she have asked The Doctor who all the other faces were. It is also backed up in the big finish “Vengeance Of Morbius” That these were Morbius faces. In “The Trial Of A Timelord” we find out the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the doctors darker side between his 12th and final incarnation here to steal the 6th doctors regenerations, so if he’s the timeless child why would he need them because he has unlimited regenerations. In “The End Of The World” The Doctor is scanned and is registered as a Time Lord. But if he is the timeless child this shouldn’t be the case. In “The Girl In The Fireplace” why does Madam De Pompadour not realise he’s the timeless child when she’s in his mind? In “Smith And Jones” the Judoon are on the hunt for the Plasmavore. So when the scan the Doctor why did they not get a match that he was the fugitive they were looking for in “Fugitive Of The Judoon”? In “Sound Of The Drums” we find out that Doctor was made to look into the heart of the time vortex gaining his regeneration cycle. So why is it that he doesn’t notice he’s just been given a dose of something he already has? In “The Fires Of Pompeii” Lucius Petrus Dextrus says a prophecy and everything said turns out to be true. So why does he say The Doctor is from Gallifrey if the timeless child was from another universe. In “The Doctors Daughter” Jenny is created from the Doctors DNA so why does she not have the ability to regenerate? In “The Next Doctor” the Cyberman Info stamp has no information on the timeless child despite Ruth traveling the universe calling herself The Doctor. Some may argue that the War Doctor didn’t appear either but that is because the Cybermen were not involved in The Time War and he never called himself The Doctor. In “The End Of Time” Rassilon speaks of two children of Gallifrey that survived past the Time War. So why does he think the children of Gallifrey are The Doctor and The Master when he knows that The Doctor is not from Gallifrey. In “The Eleventh Hour” The Atraxi shows all the Doctors incarnations. But none of the timeless child incarnations appear despite the Ruth Doctor having been on Earth calling herself The Doctor. In “A Goodman Goes To War” we find out that River is Amy and Rory’s daughter. She has the ability to regenerate because she was conceived in the TARDIS, but if the timeless child is true then you don’t get regeneration due to exposure to the time vortex so it makes no sense. In “The Name Of The Doctor” Clara enters the doctors time stream and sees all the previous Doctors. So why is it she doesn’t see the timeless child? And this isn’t going into the Doctors memories; this is going into his actual timeline. Even the war doctor appears, a person the doctor actively tried to suppress. In “The Time Of The Doctor” why does The Doctor need a new regeneration cycle when if he’s the timeless child he should have unlimited regenerations. In “Listen” the Gallifreyan caretaker says “He’ll never make a Timelord” when referring to the Doctor. But if the Doctor is the timeless child there should be no doubt about it. In “Hell Bent” Rassilon says “How many regenerations did we grant you?” why would he say that when he knows The Doctor is the timeless child and is immortal. In “Twice Upon A Time” The Doctor says The Daleks have the biggest database he knows of, so why is it that they have no record of the timeless child when we know at least one pre Hartnell Doctor is travelling the universe calling herself the Doctor (Ruth) Miscellaneous Problems Why would the Timelords allow the doctor to wander the universe when they know he holds the key to immortality? The Doctor is bad at regenerating (The Twin Dilemma, Time And The Rani, The Movie, The Christmas Invasion). So why it that the original host of Timelord regeneration is is worse than the people who just copied it off him? Why is it that The Timeless child is exactly the same biologically than the Shobogans (The race that found her)? With the Ruth Doctor being pre Hartnell she calls herself the doctor. So why is it that the first Doctor (William Hartnell) would also choose to go by the name Doctor? Problems In The Expanded Media The Doctor has an older brother (Irving Braxiatel) so why does he not know about the timeless child? In the far future The Doctor (then known as The Emperor) will be assassinated and dead for good. So if he’s the timeless child why does he not regenerate? There is all the plot holes I could find and if you would be so kind as to tell me all the plot holes it fixes it would be much appreciated.

[@markfernkopf5133]

@@DaringNote62 there's a lot there , but I will be happy to help you out , The Fugitive Doctor 's TARDIS Is stuck in the shape of a police box, specifically the Troughton-Pertwee only era police box Because she is an incarnation after Troughton but before Pertwee , quite simple really . All evidence shows this unilaterally, over two dozen facts confirm this and nothing suggests otherwise .

[@markfernkopf5133]

@@DaringNote62 The Doctor can sometimes remember, or almost remember the pre-Doctor incarnations, The 7th Doctor especially, The Fugitive Doctor is the only Doctor that had the memories of the entire Regeneration erased , as she was the only regeneration that worked for The Division , also the reconfirmation of the pre-Doctor incarnations and season 6B are two of the plot holes neatly filled in by this past season

[@aidenmclaughlin3331]

Just wanted to pop in and say the term 'Great Houses' in Faction Paradox canon refers to the Houses of the Homeworld- the different bloodlines of Gallifreyan society, not TARDIS models. The canon's term for TARDIS is 'Timeship'. Many aliens are still referred to as aliens or even 'lesser races' as well, it's just that the groups which take part in the War in Heaven are so technologically / psionically advanced they may as well be gods to the other inhabitants of their universe. Also, Faction Paradox themselves are super weird and religious, being seen as an anti-establishment death cult by the other Homeworlders, hence where a lot of the spiritual language comes from. If anyone is curious about Faction Paradox, you may or may not be able to find a free version of the Book of the War, which has definitions for literally every canon term!

[@bobdobalina2931]

47:28 This noble act didn't stop Chibnall carrying on for three years. 48:53 Some time in the late 1960s or very early 70s you could buy a full sized Dalek in kit form. I think the price was something like £150, I can't remember exactly. I desperately wanted one but my dad, although intrigued, ultimately couldn't afford one. I believe that it wasn't just a free-standing model but it could be operated from inside using a tricycle. There was, unfortunately, no voice changer included.

[@Gundam_JAY]

Oh.. yeah I've been waiting for this one!!... now this is gonna be THE BIG ONE!!

[@timrob12]

Now, I'm suddenly thinking that Jo Martin might be the Valeyard.

[@annabelwilson809]

The Deca actually all have names Magnus isn’t the Master, Koschei is The ship name Thoschei for the Doctor and the Master comes from the names Theta and Koschei which is their Academy era names

[@ーテイル]

I don't even watch this series... And I watched the entire video

[@ThatRandomFastingGuy]

In the novel "Time's Champion" the Valeyard is revealed to be a Watcher between 12 and 13 (the Doctor's final life).