The Preview: Tottenham vs Arsenal

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The Athletic FC Podcast

The Athletic FC Podcast

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@jimbojimbo6873
@jimbojimbo6873 Ай бұрын
Jon Mackenzie deserves a raise guy is exceptional
@RashidHasanRafi-ru7fn
@RashidHasanRafi-ru7fn Ай бұрын
Much better than Tim Spiers
@seemourbutts6679
@seemourbutts6679 Ай бұрын
He is the bollarx best KZbin pundit 1000000 percento
@5-Y-5
@5-Y-5 Ай бұрын
And yet he's clearly done 0 research on how arsenal will line up having lost Odegaard... No need for shape change, plenty of players who can take odegaards role, trossard, havertz, saka, sterling....
@jimbojimbo6873
@jimbojimbo6873 Ай бұрын
@@RashidHasanRafi-ru7fn and Seb Staffordbore
@mitchellwhite2798
@mitchellwhite2798 Ай бұрын
@@5-Y-5the shape and build up will ABSOLUTELY change
@whatwhat9110
@whatwhat9110 Ай бұрын
The fact the media is now turning on ange is mad to me. Everyone has a different opinion but look at klopp and arteta. Did take them more than a season to get it right. Patience would be grand
@Klinsmann1985
@Klinsmann1985 Ай бұрын
Yeah it's nuts, even Pep took a couple of seasons
@Lioness_UTV
@Lioness_UTV Ай бұрын
I agree, as a Villa fan we accept that results will be wonky here and there as Emery (and Monchi) are in the midst of building a team to compete with the best. And that's not achieved in a season or two. What fans should expect is that their players, the team go out with the intention of playing to win. And I have no doubt Ange demands that level as does Emery.
@tomeggleston367
@tomeggleston367 Ай бұрын
Media shat on Jose ONLY when he was Spurs manager, Conte ONLY when he was Spurs manager, Poch was hounded out with relentless questions about Kane leaving and how he had FAILED by taking Spurs to 2nd in the league and the CL Final. Spurs are judged differently by the media to all the clubs they were level with at the start of the PL era...we used to finish behind Stoke, Bolton, Middlesbrough, Fulham, Leeds, Newcastle, West Ham, Everton, Sunderland, Villa etc ON THE REGULAR. The fact that Levy has got us competing with the very best clubs in the best ground in the country is a staggering effort and should be worthy of praise, but the press, social media would rather the narrative be that we are failures, bottle jobs and a 'meme of a club'. Definite bias in the coverage - I just think it's become so common place to mock Spurs (led by the Keowns & Cundys of the pundit world) that even professional, dignified journalists can't offer an accurate, fair review of the club's trajectory over the last 20 odd years.
@lwandilentaphane5719
@lwandilentaphane5719 Ай бұрын
​@@Klinsmann1985 Pep finished 3rd in his first and won the league with record 100 points in his second. Get your facts right.
@peejayq
@peejayq Ай бұрын
💯 Rome wasn’t built in a day or 2 season
@leomac3464
@leomac3464 Ай бұрын
Nick Miller on spurs: "They didn't need another winger". That's not even close to being correct.
@yuni360
@yuni360 Ай бұрын
But it turned out that his prediction was correct 😐
@humzachudhary2056
@humzachudhary2056 Ай бұрын
I don't agree with Nick Miller that Spurs didn't need another winger. Kulusevski is a talented player but he doesn't suit Ange's style of winger, he now plays as a midfielder for us. Johnson's very inconsistent. Werner is meh and will be gone next summer. And Son is great but getting older.
@sundeep18
@sundeep18 Ай бұрын
For this season I think we needed an.additional good Right Winger. Don't think Odabert naturally prefers the right. So that means we just have Johnson there
@kalu8652
@kalu8652 Ай бұрын
Tottenham are 1 season and change into a humongous rebuild under Ange, meanwhile Arteta is in his 6th season, yet we're all expecting Tottenham to dominate the ball while Arsenal plays defend and counter. Says it all really.
@JJJ-bs8sm
@JJJ-bs8sm Ай бұрын
And that's why Arteta will NEVER win the PL. Ange will win it before him. Might take him a few years but he is on the right path.
@yorygibson-rc1lw
@yorygibson-rc1lw Ай бұрын
​@@JJJ-bs8sm😂😂😂😂😂😂
@nananhyiraaman-kwafo2571
@nananhyiraaman-kwafo2571 Ай бұрын
Spurs will win the league? Arteta already in his sixth season ? Really???😂😂😂
@10juvenile
@10juvenile Ай бұрын
Forever in our shadow 😂
@Yoshiarsenal
@Yoshiarsenal Ай бұрын
​@@JJJ-bs8sm that's a silly billy take
@OhSoSpurs
@OhSoSpurs Ай бұрын
The use of language around Arsenal in the media to make them sound like underdogs is exhausting. It started off as ‘injury ridden’ Arsenal, which was quickly squashed by neutral fans who pointed out they are missing 1 starter through injury. Now it’s ’missing their ENTIRE midfield’. You could say Spurs are missing half their midfield (Bissouma). Spurs went over 6 weeks last season with Maddison, Bentancur and Bissouma all out simultaneously but the blame was put on Ange Postecoglou tactics when Spurs struggled. Arsenal are not underdogs here. Nor are they in a crisis of any kind. It’s just an insecurity in the media from their fans who want to take the pressure off. They know it’s a must win and after all the recent Ange criticism from the same individuals this spin covers their backs.
@LuckieDeol
@LuckieDeol Ай бұрын
@OhSoSPurs Thank you .. for actually talking sense .. i cannot cope with all the shit that is spoken by media .. i prefer to switch off .. i love football but all the negative press is rubbish .. when the main question is are we happy with how the PL is run .. we have City who have won ..PL third game in .. Its ruining Football 😢
@tomwaitsmencse
@tomwaitsmencse Ай бұрын
They are missing 7 first team players, 6 potential starters and Jesus just came back and couldn’t start. Still beat you away for the third straight year.
@OhSoSpurs
@OhSoSpurs Ай бұрын
@@tomwaitsmencse 2 starters. Spurs were missing 1. Not that much difference. Missing a lot on the bench though
@tmbgunner
@tmbgunner Ай бұрын
Missing two crucial players in Øde and Rice, who I'm sure you can agree are the best players in our midfield. And we still beat you 1-0. Pahahahaha
@SamS-cb5ep
@SamS-cb5ep Ай бұрын
Love Johnny Mack!
@rushnafwadud
@rushnafwadud Ай бұрын
Comparing the drop off from Mickey van der Ven to Dragusin with “maybe” Martin frikking Ødegaard down to Ethan Nwaneri.. mental.
@rushnafwadud
@rushnafwadud Ай бұрын
And speaking of drop-offs, stating that Fabio Vieira seeming “oven-ready” to replace Martin Ødegaard by these well-informed panel is simply ludicrous. Martin Ødegaard is a world class player; probably a top 3/5 in the game at the moment. You can’t both have Mbappe and have a direct Mbappe backup. Such silly dissection.
@theswallow119
@theswallow119 Ай бұрын
You are underestimating how important Van De Ven is to Tottenhams high line. Odegaard is probably more important to Arsenal but you have talent on the bench
@rushnafwadud
@rushnafwadud Ай бұрын
@@theswallow119 I personally believe that same exceedingly high line will be their undoing. But comparing the two dropoffs is unbelievably underplaying both the importance and magnitude of the players in their teams and world football. Not to mention their understudies. It’s just a bad example, which surprisingly this professional podcast seems very prone to do when they don’t have talking heads like Ornstein and the likes. Bringing in the awkward Tifo blokes doesn’t seem to be working in their favour either. They were a good bunch when they were together, doing their own thing.
@theswallow119
@theswallow119 Ай бұрын
@@rushnafwadudhaving just watched this part I don’t think they are saying one is more important than the other to their team. Mackenzie was just pointing out how each team is impacted by potential/definite losses of said player
@rushnafwadud
@rushnafwadud Ай бұрын
@@theswallow119Nick Miller, 11:50 - 13:15
@TJW-YT
@TJW-YT Ай бұрын
It's kind of funny listening to this after the Liverpool game given how condescending they were about Forest. I said we'd have difficulty against them, I commented on another video that I was worried that how we'd been playing wouldn't work against a team that sits in and makes it tough - surprise surprise, when they sat back and soaked up pressure we had no answer for that.
@simonmarie83
@simonmarie83 Ай бұрын
"in a football sense, yes" Thanks, John. I was confused for a second. I thought maybe we were talking about dance ability...
@EarlofSalop
@EarlofSalop Ай бұрын
So much better you don’t have the betfair advert on KZbin compared with Spotify
@NoahHolt-q1b
@NoahHolt-q1b Ай бұрын
John Mackenzie is the only guy I watch that consistently makes me think “wow, good insight. I didn’t realize that”
@roberto_camp
@roberto_camp Ай бұрын
Lol listening to this after the game at Anfield. The way you lot was belittling Forest was priceless.😅
@BigCarso
@BigCarso Ай бұрын
Are you kdding? We definitely needed a winger over a CB
@catinsidethehead
@catinsidethehead Ай бұрын
Your title was a bit confusing. I wasn’t sure if I wanted to watch 45 minutes about just one game, but it turns out you discussed multiple games, which is more appealing to me. Thanks for your work anyway
@jimfrank135
@jimfrank135 Ай бұрын
Nick said spurs didn't need a winger...that shows me he does not watch spurs enough then
@rishivaja9288
@rishivaja9288 Ай бұрын
The way I see Spurs right now is that they have players now who suit the system but they are young. Once tthey mature and they add world class quality in key areas they will challenge, whether Levy signs them is the question,
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon Ай бұрын
nobody is talking about lack of goals or dominance not being enough, we have all seen top sides take 96 mins to break down sides, its blatantly conceding goals with sunday league defending that's the talking point
@-VForValhalla-
@-VForValhalla- Ай бұрын
19:42 Bro is dunking on Chel$hit like the comedy club they are 🤣🤣
@kuhuna2622
@kuhuna2622 Ай бұрын
brutha sterling blows
@krzgo_is_drowning_please_help
@krzgo_is_drowning_please_help Ай бұрын
Why wouldn't Chelsea give Arsenal Sterling? These two clubs are best buddies and they are not really competing. Arsenal are fighting for the title and Chelsea is a mid table team.
@antonyallen8025
@antonyallen8025 Ай бұрын
Calling out newcastle away form... hope you have the same energy when talking about spurs next week Newcastles last 10 away games are 4W, 2D, 4L Spurs: 2W, 3D, 5L one win was vs already relegated sheff utd
@marcocroshaw3414
@marcocroshaw3414 Ай бұрын
Liam twomey sounds exactly like Gareth Southgate
@sibusisomahlangu398
@sibusisomahlangu398 Ай бұрын
I think arsenal is still set they have timber who can play CDM even zinchicko and so on odergard can be replaced by trossard havert can play there also have Martineli who can play striker or even sterling they have a decent squad dispute injuries
@jake6379
@jake6379 Ай бұрын
This is incredible. The athletic avoid talking about the stats of Tottenham's performances instead focuses on a blood letting for Ange. I thought the athletic was supposed to be good?
@feroukkhan7688
@feroukkhan7688 Ай бұрын
Adam could be a Liam Livingston doppelgänger
@adzy166
@adzy166 Ай бұрын
Frankie Boyle has let himself go again
@mastermachetier5594
@mastermachetier5594 Ай бұрын
Although I agree with a lot of Jon’s tactile analysis I have a hard time taking him seriously after the whole “all tactics are European” thing 🤣
@FoxtrotBravoRomeo
@FoxtrotBravoRomeo Ай бұрын
20:37 BECAUSE THEY ARENT RIVALS! So fake; you dont see players move between rivals so frequently like this anywhere in the world.
@oliverd8298
@oliverd8298 Ай бұрын
John 'Siddy' Mckenzie
@robins2007kyle
@robins2007kyle Ай бұрын
We 100% absolutely needed another winger. Please get someone who understand Spurs a little more. Johnson & Werner are absolute garbage with the inability to beat a man
@khalidmkhan
@khalidmkhan Ай бұрын
There is no playing well, it's about winning.
@Irfan_1
@Irfan_1 Ай бұрын
15:52
@Irfan_1
@Irfan_1 Ай бұрын
14:08
@runningforasthma_
@runningforasthma_ Ай бұрын
Ange just said Spurs are going to win the league (in October)
@user-ls4ck9xf6m
@user-ls4ck9xf6m Ай бұрын
Damn I’m early
@TheZumph
@TheZumph Ай бұрын
Middleclass nerds
@hegeliandianetik2009
@hegeliandianetik2009 Ай бұрын
Adam is cringey when trying to banter
@Demetriiuz
@Demetriiuz Ай бұрын
Count down to Ange Meltdown
@davidkao
@davidkao Ай бұрын
I'm assuming someone at NYT has threatened Adam into using Eastern time...
@Electricdreams21
@Electricdreams21 Ай бұрын
I mean looking out for your clients is pretty much the norm😅
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon Ай бұрын
@@Electricdreams21 you will prob have to explain what a client is
@ronaldinhogoat2859
@ronaldinhogoat2859 Ай бұрын
The derby of the two clubs most allergic to trophies.
@medfegnochu
@medfegnochu Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂ur right mate
@chickentikkamosalah
@chickentikkamosalah Ай бұрын
Except Arsenal is one of the most titled clubs in England. Do not compare Spurs cabinet which practically doesn’t exist to that of Arsenal’s
@theswallow119
@theswallow119 Ай бұрын
@@chickentikkamosalahEuropean trophy?
@davidolatunji119
@davidolatunji119 Ай бұрын
@@chickentikkamosalah Speaking of things that don’t exist, never ask an Arsenal fan for a European trophy
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon Ай бұрын
and newcastle i think
@Geekmandem
@Geekmandem Ай бұрын
Saying if Van de Ven was there might have helped when we have evidence of him on his arse TWICE last time Newcastle played Spurs is very funny
@theswallow119
@theswallow119 Ай бұрын
If you don’t rate him you don’t know ball
@Geekmandem
@Geekmandem Ай бұрын
@@theswallow119 Isak gives him nightmares mate
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon Ай бұрын
@@theswallow119 whats this twitty 'ball' stuff? it aint american
@JJJ-bs8sm
@JJJ-bs8sm Ай бұрын
If you think a one off game defines a player yu need to watch more football. Newcastle are a bottom half team.
@Geekmandem
@Geekmandem Ай бұрын
@@JJJ-bs8sm I ain't watching that fool each week. He got sat down twice, let it go. But don't slip
@ulfanfinneriksen4643
@ulfanfinneriksen4643 Ай бұрын
Arsenal are winning 2-0.
@vaffangool9196
@vaffangool9196 Ай бұрын
Is Nick really saying if Ange generates such underlying     numbers as SPURS | GUNNERS    15 Shots 7   5 Shots on target 4   64% Possession 36%   494 Passes 281  88% Pass accuracy 75% ...and gets no points it's really    not working?.... One-nil against the best defense in the league, even with Rice and Ødegaard out, is not a bad result.
Is Angeball working at Tottenham?
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