The Primordial One & Teyvat's Origins Linked To Honkai Star Rail? Genshin Impact Lore & Theory

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The Primordial One & Teyvat Origins Linked To Honkai Star Rail? Genshin Impact Descenders Theory

[@vlorggy]

You should play and read honkai impact story. If you know the foundation of Hoyoverses universe lore/world building. We find out in Honkai impact that there's two forces that are fighting for control over the universe, Imaginary Energy which manifests into anything depending on what Aeon, or herrscher or whatever does with it and we can see this in Teyvat with them being able to create forms with energy(Imaginary Energy). (Honkai Energy and Abyssal Energy or that weird dark mud). And then there's the sea of quanta and the sea of quanta tries to overtake Imaginary energy and they just go back and forth fighting each other. Worlds that die fall into the sea of quanta and it could be very likely that Teyvat is a bubble universe that fell into the sea of quanta that's trying to survive, it would make sense because there's a false sky, irminsul which is constantly cleansing stuff and then the Abyss, which is so similar to the sea of quanta, which is also called the abyss in honkai impact.

[@gealachriamh42]

I’ve heard theories of Teyvat being a bubble in the ocean so your explanation lines up perfectly with this. Maybe Enkoyimia was for shadowing this information.

[@TheGamerChronicles999]

That sounds interesting I'll have to check that out!

[@Keiki-kun]

​@@TheGamerChronicles999 yeah Irminsul literally works like the universes within the sea of ​​quanta the sea is a space where information is constantly shuffled and modified in the same way that when something is deleted from Irminsul, it reprograms itself and changes reality

[@AloyImpact]

Technically both universes exist on the imaginary tree

[@vlorggy]

@@AloyImpact Actually no, Teyvat is confirmed to be a world in the sea of quanta, and there's been tons of lore that's come out that life is very possible in the sea of quanta but there's a lot of things killing them. I think the Narwhal is the biggest giveaway that Teyvat is in the sea of quanta. Now what put them in the sea of quanta is unknown, it could've been The Honkai but I doubt it.

[@Katara-kr9xg]

Love the explanation of the fragmentum being or mixed with abyss magic causing corruption would be a cool twist sorta like finding out the gnosis was from a descender

[@obievil]

So, the fragment could be crystallized purple goo

[@Giovansbilly]

I wonder if said Descender whose body got made into the Gnosis was an Emanator. HSR already showed a case where an Emanator had their flesh used for an experiment, which went wrong and imbued a normal man with immortality, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Gnosis contain split Emanator power from the remains. It's also shown that Emanators are more powerful than Archons

[@dashhound8974]

I dont play star rail but from what I gather this stellaron is kina like the all spark from trasnformers its a life form but has a nasty side effect thats identical to abyss coruption? But was contained within the abyss like a garbage disposal? I like it

[@SirZelean]

Some additions! 1. There is a channel by the name of "My Name for Now", and he's been doing some great theories. He notice some parallels between the BP story and many real life references, and if he's right, that is the story of the first 3 descenders. The serpent who stole the Genesis Pearl is Phanes, the Primordial One. The first heir is the Second Descender, sent to retrieve the pearl but failed and joined Phanes (which is why she's also known as "The Second Throne"), becoming the Night Mother, AKA the Sustainer of the Heavenly Principles. Then, the second heir is the Third Descender, sent to succeed where his sister failed. I really believe this is the case, as Phanes has been mentioned in Before Sun and Moon to have created Teyvat using an "egg shell", which could be the pearl, and the Greek mythology Phanes has a saake with a pearl on his head. Now it REALLY seems like the Genesis Pearl is actually a Stellaron. A powerful item which the Primordial stole and used to create Teyvat, and then people have been sent to retrieve it? Can't be a coincidence. 2. I think all of this might actually shed a little light on the origin of stellarons. There are quite a few parallels between the Traveler (and, as far as we know, all Descenders) and the stellarons. The Traveler seems to be powered-up by the wishes of the people, and the stellarons seems to operate fulfilling wishes as well. The Abyss Sibling was said to be the personification of the Abyss, and there is a lot in common between the Abyss and the Fragmentum. The Twins are described as golden stars, and that's pretty much what stellarons look like. The Traveler was many times deemed as the savior of Teyvat, but also described as a monster who can eat the entire world in a single bite. Both could be associated with stellarons as well. That said, in Star Rail, it is said that stellarons often appear after the creatures of Destruction attack a world, though no one is sure if there is a correlation between them. I think that stellarons might be remains of dead gods - yes, just like the Tataragami. It is possible that Nanook and the Antimatter Legion might go around killing gods, beings with a will powerful enough to rival a world (like the Traveler!), and leaving their remains behind: the stellarons. It's actually pretty fitting that Luocha was carrying a stellaron in his coffin. 3. If stellarons are the remains of Descenders/powerful gods, this explains a few things. First, Neuvilette says that the Phanes' functions were damaged during the war against the dragons, in such a way that he could no longer control the order of Teyvat. In other words, the Primordial One was primordially fucked and couldn't hold the fragmentum back anymore. So he needed the power of another stellaron... that of the Third Descender. So he killed the third, and somehow split the stellaron in 7 pieces, the gnoses. This also explain why Skirk says the gnoses are items of misfortune. They are shards of a stellaron. A fucking Cancer of All Worlds.

[@TheGamerChronicles999]

Very interesting I'll have to check that out I often rewatch the battle bass trailer to see if I missed things that makes alit of sense

[@Giovansbilly]

Speaking of Skirk, I'm guessing that she may be an Emanator. Perhaps she could be a Self-Annihilator like Acheron is theorized to be

[@Jeskgames]

The devs themselves have confirmed that the HoYo games are connected awhile ago. For example, Otto apocalypse in Honkai impact 3rd sees Duvalin on a screen in the game. I suggest you look into how Honkai impact 3rd and Genshin are connected and it will make more sense how star rail fits in.

[@idkanymoreeeeeeee]

I like this theory, but I really doubt the Trablaizer is the Primodial One and the world of Genshin is a simulated universe, hear me out: In the Honkai universe exists a tree called "The Imaginary Tree", it's some sort of bubble where it connects every universe (every leaf is a universe)! Genshin, probably, is collegated to this tree (kinda confirmed by the fact that Raiden Ei, Yea Miko and Venti having a similar appearance to Wendy, Yea Sakura and Raiden Mei from Honkai Impact or the Sustainer having a similar appearance and power to the Herrescher of The Void), even because Genshin was supposed to be called Houkai 4 (an another way to say Honkai), an another reason that I don't think Honkai: Star Rail being a prequel is that it has the same characters of Honkai Impact and GGZ (such as Cocolia, Himeko, Welt Yang, Seele and Bronya). Correction: the Astral Express goes to other planets, not worlds or universes, the only universe is the simulated universe. The Simulated Universe: like Scrwellum says, its about the Aeons and their paths, the only uptade they made, was the Swarm disaster made by Ruan Mei for other reasons that I won't spoil. Herta and Screllium were pretending in that quest to decive Silver Wolf. We don't know of there is an another simulated universe, Herta does not say anything about it. The Stellaron Hunters: we only know Kafka, Silver Wolf, Blade and Elio, if there is an another member and that being Skirk, it would be interesting, but how? How she got in the abyss in the first place? Edit: Which traveler is the canon one? I don't know, I think they are both canon, the game doesn't change if you choose Aether or Lumine, I think Mihoyo chose Aether simply because there is just one MC, kinda like they chose Stelle and not Caelius, because if Aether was the canon one, they would have done the same thing they did with Honkai Impact, where the MC is Kiana only. Proof: kzbin.infoekiQrMVXqCU?si=4tujF1UrcXZqr_Ug kzbin.infoekiQrMVXqCU?si=4tujF1UrcXZqr_Ug

[@stathisconstantinou]

You said that the astral express doesn't go to different universes but planets, but then how can bronya from jarilo and silver wolf exist in the same universe?

[@vlorggy]

@@stathisconstantinou Because silver wolf isn't from their universe, if you play honkai impact 3 you know what world she's from and it's not star rails. How she got over to star rails world, is a mystery.

[@Giovansbilly]

Skirk being a former Stellaron Hunter theory is interesting. For me, I think she could be an Emanator of Nihility

[@lunasquib]

I swear if Genshin is just a simulated universe I’ll sue Hoyo myself (just kiddinggg) but I would be mad because I like to think that Teyvat is like one of the main worlds

[@isaiahhaley4816]

right i dont like the idea of it just being a simulation its a unique game that has its own laws plus the company is named "hoyoverse" which is implaying that each game is its own universe

[@WhiteKoneko]

I was never on board the simulation idea. Multiverse explanation fits more solid. Like for example there's version of you on say "Earth X" that's a president of a billion dollar company then on say "Earth XI" another version of you is a villian then on "Earth III" another self is just living life as a normal farmer, ect and so forth. Many really good stories use Multiverse troupe like for example the DC and Marvel comics, manga/anime, and other video games too. These Multiverses have differences but like a stone tossed into a lake the ripples move and mirror each other.

[@isaiahhaley4816]

@@WhiteKoneko exactly thats why characters from genshin are exp's from other honkai games as well venti and wendy, ei and mei, nahida therisa, murata and himeko0 there all examples of multiversul versons of themselves what makes genshin so uniqe conpaired to the other honkai games is the fact its pretty much its own honkai series instead of imaganary they have light and instead of quantum they have the abyss genshin is the only game with multi elements and is a game that has amazing technology thats compairable to honkai yet different

[@timobernhard6696]

@@isaiahhaley4816 It is official that all 3 games play in the same universe. And there is one more game in this universe, its name is ggz (gun girls z or houkai gakuen).

[@stalker1759]

Honkai has its own multiverse named as imaginary tree, teyvat is most likely one of universes.

[@felipecarvalho864]

the only bad thing about this video is that it ends 😢

[@mr.sir.]

Honkai Impact 3rd, Star rail, and Genshin are 💯 connected. I knew this during Honkai 3rd and Genshin's released due to a lot bits and pieces us OGs connected

[@mayraalejandragonzalezeraz5886]

I don't know very much about honkai impact however I know that Welt in honkai star rail is the same from Honkai impact.

[@TheGamerChronicles999]

I think its possible at the very least!

[@ohamatchhams]

@@TheGamerChronicles999 It's not just possible, it's already confirmed both by in-game of Honkai Impact's both main story and Captain events to developers confirmation that mentioned both Genshin and Honkai Impact are in the same universe, you just haven't bother to mention the depths of Cosmology of Honkaiverse which already goes waaay beyond Teyvat, even the recent Archon Quest already mentioned that Genshin Impact universe is just A PLANET, meanwhile Honkaiverse already going through different bubble universes and dimensions housing beings and characters that makes Archons, Dragon Sovereigns and Celestia gods to be less than ants in terms of power scaling to dominions of authorities, even the elements of both HI3 and HSR spans going beyond the 7 elements into Cosmic circumference from adaptation of quantum physics (at least into fiction and pop culture lol)

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

​@GenshinGamer999 I see many people here know nothing of Hi3 lore. Genshin and Star Rail are both connected to Hi3. The Imaginary Tree is a multiversal tree of sorts that houses many universes, with each one being its own thing on the tree. Genshin is straight up confirmed connected because in chapter 17 of the Hi3 main story, a character named Otto looks through the bubble universes and sees Dvalin from Teyvat. Star Rail is also directed connected because a character from Hi3 canonicaly crossed over into HSR universe from Hi3. There is even an entire Hi3 manga about it. I'm talking about Welt btw, he comes from Hi3 universe.

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

​@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 even less know of flyme2themoon, zombiegal kawaii and Guns Girl Z Only a select few have heard of the PREGENESIS of Hoyoverse The legend of Saha

[@isaiahhaley4816]

i dont want to dismiss your theory but teyvat and star rail are two different universes yes they are connected but there not the same universe thats why the company is named "hoyoverse" because each game takes place in its on universe yes they have there connections to each other but they dont take place in the same universe in star rail it was said the being from other universes are likely to have a similar fate to other and the most notible person for that is himeko who dies in every universe and sice the pyro archon in genshin is murata and has the whole theme of resurrection and rebirth then that means genshin takes place in another universe plus unlike star rail and honkai they dont have the word honkai in the name they have there own elements that are not the same from star rail or hi3 and have characters that look similar to thos from other honkai games to me i dont like the idea of teyvat being a simulated universe since the whole concept of a universe is that its differnt from another which is what makes genshin so different from honkai they have more elements more lore and the game is more culturally respected

[@WhiteKoneko]

It's like the multiverse in the DC and Marvel comics for really good comparison. Different worlds, different timelines, all similar but with key differences and similarities. ❤

[@isaiahhaley4816]

@@WhiteKoneko yet hense the company being named hoyoverse

[@WhiteKoneko]

@@isaiahhaley4816 Yeppers. If you ever watch super hero series or movies like Flash or Justice League ect they have multiverse with mirror worlds and timeline branches. Xenoblade too is a multiverse. Yggdrasil itself cradles many worlds along its roots and branches in mythology too. 🥰

[@dashhound8974]

Yeah isnt that the point and where the abyss comes in?

[@isaiahhaley4816]

@@dashhound8974 the point is that genshin and star rail are different universes

[@mikan_celeste]

Loved the video! The connections you explained were so good!!

[@AsharaStark]

I think Griseo (or her robot friend) is the Primordial One. That's my theory right now

[@playworld2.017]

That’s was a very good theory before but now that griseo is adult and supposed to stay on phosphoros I don’t when she could have created teyvat

[@obievil]

Not only do I think that they are connected, I think March specifically is actually from Springvale

[@fightorflight2279]

I'm curious why you think this?

[@obievil]

This might be a total conspiracy theory In one of the beginning side quests in Monstadt you run into Xangling, which starts a quest for a cook off with a lady from Springvale. Xangling being who she is takes this challenge very seriously and goes to find Extinct Boar. When you get to the cave where the boar is, you run into a man who is freezing, you send him back to Springvale and discover that his name is Olaff and he's from 300 years in the past. He had become somehow frozen in the ice like the boar. he remembers very little, but the key phrase here is Paimon says "That's must have been some very special ice." When you ask March her about her name, she said that It was the date she found her (March 17th) before that date she remembers nothing. when the express (the name of the train) found her, she was frozen solid in a block of ice near on "a remote planet". the Dialog says "It was very special ice as it didn't have the normal properties of Ice." they called it 6th phase Ice. They melted the ice and she was very much alive but disoriented. her Colors very much fit the theme of Cryo, she's completely different from everyone else in her appearance. but her dress isn't much different from a Mirror maiden. so here's this "Seemingly random cook off" out in the middle of nowhere. when they already had a breadcrumb trail for Liyue the archon storyline. And the only significant detail is a 300-year-old man who was frozen in ice. "special ice". Meanwhile March is choice in clothing, mirrors, that of a mirror maiden.

[@obievil]

Also, it just occurred to me that maybe the travelers have stellarons in them. Which is why they can quickly adapt to elements. The colors of the light that they were in the opening segment is very similar to the color of the stellaron the Kafka pushes inside of the stair rail MC

[@playworld2.017]

@@obievilthe man was ice by the big ice flower boss

[@obievil]

@@playworld2.017 nope as a side of the map. This was over closer to Liyue

[@S_Scaling]

I forgot the npc name but he dress in all purple he calls us tailblaze plus he was talking about traveling to a different world

[@hexnea]

I just watched previous video and was about to comment that I'm waiting for new one

[@paraalemdossonhos7507]

I suggest reading the book: The Legend of the Fragmented Halberd. There is the story of Axis Mundi there. See definitions for Axis Mundi. This book probably narrates the beginnings of the planet and how everything before it was connected. Consider what information is entered into Irminsul. Phanes did not necessarily "create" humans. This is what humanity remembers.... Or what they were taught. It may be that in the kingdom of light, humans they already lived in harmony with dragons and Phanes inserted false memories to make them think that dragons were enemies. Perhaps the people of Kaenriah are the oldest human existence....hence Deins associated with orobouros, Nibelung, the ring, his clothes resemble that of the universe like Paymon. Perhaps the Eclipse dynasty is the oldest royalty....before Phanes came to earth and altered memories.

[@TheGamerChronicles999]

Hmmmm interesting going to explore this further !

[@paraalemdossonhos7507]

​@@TheGamerChronicles999 The book: Flowers for Princess Fischl is also linked to the Halberd book. There is a phrase that suggests that other beasts will emerge after the gesamtkunstwerk take the stage of the apocalypse opera. This term refers to an aesthetic concept originating from 19th century German romanticism. Generally associated with the German composer Richard Wagner, the term refers to the combination of music, theater, singing, dance and plastic arts. In the text we identify the "musician" with Wagner, who we know brings many references to the game with his work. Zaratrusta and Wagner can indicate important pieces in the puzzle. We can clearly see an association with power level between the "traveler", the "beasts" and another character linked to Oz. And in the interview with the author Nine, a comparison is made between the power of gesamtkunstwerk and Asura, father of "Min" in Shattered Halberd. Swords made from the Shattered Halberd are identified on some characters Laevatain and the fog. IRMIN, Dharani of the fire kingdom and the Princess of Sin are the identified Halberds. Who knows, we might have a clue about Irmin, the pyro dragon and "The Princess of Sin". Could she be the goddess?

[@TheGamerChronicles999]

My question would be why would phanes then choose to take on humans and ot dragons? Seems like they favoured the humans but if humans and dragons lived in harmony why bother with them I guess to have someone who worships you? This has my genuine curiosity as i think this ties into a theory I'm cooking

[@paraalemdossonhos7507]

@@TheGamerChronicles999 We only have one more theory based on what appears to be the "most" important nation: Kaenriah. The book "Before the Sun and the Moon" brings us some possibilities. The metaphor of the spiritual tree reminds us a lot of two possible characters: Deinsleif being the gardener (he is the guardian of the branch) and (?) being the spirit of the celestial tree. The king is clearly associated with PH and it is said that he needed to cut down the tree with the greatest spiritual power to repair the beams of the palace (could this be a post-event where he was left without his strength?). The king's priest was considered the God of Tokoyo. Note the advice he/she gives the gardener. Doesn't that sound a lot like what Istaroth did to the sacred Sakura in Inazuma? Let's consider that Rukadevata was the old avatar of Irminsul and Nahida the new one. Could they be "spirits" of the tree? We don't know much about Ruka's past, but we're possibly seeing some of PH's shadows in this metaphor. What if there was a connection between Deins and the Irminsul avatar? Maybe some ancient Seelie? (consider that Seelie is also "soul"). Kaenriah as we read recently would be Khraun-Arya. Coincidentally Arya is one of the 3 moon goddesses. Perhaps a deity the nation once worshiped? Isn't it strange that Kaenriah is the only nation without an Archon? For this to be justified, the nation would have to have had some past disappointment (before the cataclysm) to deny the gods. Perhaps Kaenriah was the only nation, and all humans, that found itself in the middle of PH's plans, being "forced" to believe that he was his own god, as well as his shadows, more specifically "Arya". Maybe some people discovered (Deins through the tree spirit?) what Ph did and then some humans joined forces with Nibelung to try to defeat PH. This would explain the connection that Deins has with the Nibelung ring and the symbol of it being orobouros and PH not caring about the clamor of the people in Enkanomya. Istaroth's behavior showed that between the "shadows" and the "gods" there was some rupture and these only occur when some injustice is seen. Let’s go back to the tree metaphor. What if, to recover, PH needed to sacrifice one of his "creations"? Would he sacrifice one of his shadows? The metaphor leads us to understand that someone important should be sacrificed. And it was someone a "human" was in love with. And he had help from a "priest with knowledge like that of Istaroth". this connects Deins to the beginnings... when PH was still alive. Now let's place ourselves in some eras. If the Fragmented Halberd really talks about the beginning of the world, and there were only the kingdom of gods and men, we have the first Halberd being Irmin and the last the Princess of Sin and one among them someone (?) of the Pyro element and Aerosiderite ( from which the 9 ominous swords were made - Gnosis? - remembering that we always leave two elements light and abyss) and Kaenriah " dont" have a element ( maybe light? and now abyss?). This made me think about a new group of hypotheses. The first Irmin halberd pierced the Axis Mundi and connected the 9 kingdoms, with its replicas scattered in the sky. Doesn't this sound like Irminsul itself? The last one would be the princess of sin (unknown goddess? Lumine?) After all these considerations, let's go to Hoyo's multiverse and Axis Mundi. If PH is some Aeon, Kevin Kaslana "diabolic", we know that the main purpose is to find a place where they can continue the initial project against Honkai and can find a habitable planet for humans. The dragons may just not have been happy with the new thing on their planet and PH was forced to modify the human mind so that they would accept it without problems, since dragons also had elements being the only what could bring problems for PH and his plans.

[@trixtheghostwalker6634]

I wonder what a honkai star rail genshin impact crossover would go

[@lunasquib]

Probably Lumine and Stelle just vibing

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

Fischl Just Fischl

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

IPC starts collecting debts that how I see it

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

@@idontspeakjapanese6289 IPC 🤝 Fatui pyro agent Pay your dues

[@playworld2.017]

@@shanedoesyoutube8001A better fischl Again

[@potatoking5602]

Ima just say 1 thing: Sea of Quanta

[@oddityurie3435]

I have always knew there was some sort of connection between the world or universe of Genshin Impact to Honkai Impact but now Star Rail is coming in too? this is going to be interesting

[@nggames9201]

The Primordial one is described as androgynous, which always interested me. Now that you connected the Trailblazer and the Primordial one, it makes much more sense. Unlike the siblings from genshin, which are two actual siblings that exist apart from each other, the Trailblazer can be male OR female. Both versions are both very similar, further enforcing the theory that the Trailblazer might be an androgynous being. This connection also reminded me of a theory about the bible I read about, which says that the first humans were actually one androgynous person. In the first chapter of genesis, it's (roughly) written that "God made man and woman". This could be read as BOTH man and woman in the same body. So in my opinion, the Trailerblazer being the primordial could actually be proved to be true.

[@TheGamerChronicles999]

Yeah thats my thoughts as well they even look similar to the principles to me

[@shuragaming4836]

My theory is that the twins in genshin are the trailblaze aeon lmao

[@Katara-kr9xg]

Love the intro❤

[@xX_N_E_O_Xx]

Thank you for the video man, I hope you'll have a bountiful year. As for my thoughts and suggestions, I would like to say that you should check honkai third if I'm not mistaken, the game has the notion of the honkai which is a phenomenal happening in the universe that contains different worlds including tyvat, this honkai causes disasters to destroy worlds who don't evolve and progress to a required level, humanity was struggling to survive and suffered great causalities, so they devised few plans one of which is the project of Ark (which is tyvat in Hebrew) this had other projects but of em failed. From what I understand, the goal from creating tyvat was to recreate humans and preserve their advancement. I could be wrong though , I heard this much from a few videos.

[@playworld2.017]

One of the first thing Genshin tell us is "Genshin has its own rule" which sound very similar to how bubble universe works

[@shuragaming4836]

Cuz its a bubble universe desperately clinging for survival from being devoured by the Sea of Quanta. Thats why Celestia and Irminsul always has to cleanse the dark stains thats creeping up in the human realm cuz Teyvat is sinking. Another proof is that all bubble universe skies are all fake and ornaments as explained in honkai impact. Does it ring a bell? Yes, teyvat sky is false!

[@HuffleTheOwl]

I do have a theory on Genshin's Universe and Teyvat. Why am I separating Genshin's Universe with Teyvat? Well... The Primordial One, used the eggshell to separate the "universe" and the "microcosm of the world." I've asking myself ever since this book came out. Why? Why separate Teyvat from the Universe? If you do that is it still part of the Imaginary Tree? Because we know Genshin Universe is apart of the Tree. So here's my take. When the Primordial One arrived in this Universe they started a war between the Seven Sovereigns. But, wait a minute. Who created the Seven Sovereigns and the Dragon King Nibelung if the Primordial One arrived and they already existed? No one's asked this big question because we lack evidence, but when there's a universe theres a Creator. This "Primordial" One is only called Primordial because its the first god that was introduced. Also, what I found weird is the Primordial One separated Teyvat from the Universe for a reason. It's not just that the Primordial One used an Irminsul Tree to block off the influence of the Universe to the world of Teyvat. How do I know this? Because the Primordial One wanted to fix the "BEAMS" in his Pavilion. What did the Primordial One use to fix it? The Irminsul Tree. All our information are from the Irminsul Tree and not beyond it. Not beyond the world of Teyvat, which is the Universe that is connected to the Imaginary Tree. But, I still haven't answered why the Primordial One separated the world of Teyvat from the Universe. I came to a speculation from the Celestia is a "Prison" Theory. That the Universe outside of Teyvat is a prison. Teyvat meaning the Ark. Basically Teyvat is a refuge for the Primordial Ones creations. Celestia having the Armillary Sphere above its building gave this away. Because its used for watching movement of the Sun and Moon, Stars, Weather, and etc. They've been watching for something. In case they break through the Irminsul Tree. But, now we have not just someone trying to destroy Teyvat from the outside but also the inside.500 yrs ago "everything changed." In short Teyvat is a world created by the Primordial One where whoever gets in nobody gets out. A smaller version of the Universe of Genshin. Teyvat is basically a refuge and a simulation for whats to come. The Four Descenders are Gods that will be on par with the Primordial One because Teyvat will need it. The Creator, Writer, and Poet isn't someone the Primordial One can fight alone. Basically Teyvat is just the Tutorial.💀

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

Imagine the visitor from HSR, is a delegate of the IPC and then the dudes starts rambling about Teyvat's taxes 💀💀

[@Giovansbilly]

I hope it's not one of the Ten Stonehearts like Topaz or Aventurine, since they can use a part of the power of an Emanator of Preservation

[@lixscafe]

The idea of teyvat being created by honkai impact or being a stimulated universe makes me mad for some reason.

[@Blue-wk4wx]

very interesting I dontnplay star rail but was fun to watch might have to check out its lore seems interesting

[@nafola7617]

I was going to say what if one of the descenders came from honkai star rail or honkai is considered a separate realm from teyvat

[@amouramarie]

I think you just convinced me the Traveler is a stellaron.

[@matisslillais2013]

thr fragmentum is honkai corruption and ingeneral the abyss destroys and corrupts data and the light real is prob something like the imaginary tree and they both destroy eachother and thats why being from the light realm get destroyed by the abyss (btw honkai is the name for hi3 call hsr star rail cuz honkai is already taken)

[@Keiki-kun]

There is a tale in Honkai Impact that basically tells the story of how a world similar to Teyvat was created with the primordial one emerging from an egg and changing the world around him and btw in Long's tale there is an egg being cracked and a planet being born from it

[@Giovansbilly]

So the Primordial One is slightly similar to a Vidyadhara?

[@Keiki-kun]

@@Giovansbilly We don't know, the egg cracking in the Star rail teaser must be just a reference or have another type of connection because the Primordial one went to war against the dragons of Teyvat and against Nibelung, the king of dragons on that planet, so it wouldn't make sense for him to also be a dragon the tale in Honkai talks about a being that was born from an egg and terraformed a planet and created life. This is a perfect description of the Primordial one in Genshin

[@gnolrevee]

Such a good video!! Curious as too who or what Paimon is🤔

[@Hummingbird_335]

19:00 I don't think it is Lumine when Dain said those words. It might be someone else.

[@ziebus904]

I wonder who is the girl no matter which sibling we pick.....its starts with P

[@davidross4697]

like the theory on the dragons makes sense to me

[@The_original_one]

No.the idia of canecting HSR with genshin impact is stupid because genshin is in its own universe even HI3rd is not the same universe with HSR . Despite both of them having hongkai in their name .

[@t.k.5088]

Humans from Teyvat: The false sky and all these dragons... They drive me nuts Natives of the Xianzhou: Heh, y'all must be new.

[@arthena2130]

In this video, do you mean that the abyss is the original world and stelaron reacts poorly with, causing corruption? Or why does the abyss corrupt if it is not related to the stelaron. Or are you saying the world is encased in stelaron so it is hard to leave without being corrupted. Or is abyss something completely different and foreign? But it seems to not be very foreign to everyone that comes from it and seems to not corrupt those who are from there. Only people of Teyvat, meaning the whole light side and humanity, would be a huge stelaron creation Listing to this, I also got the idea of the second descender was the sinner and that why there was such a personality shift before and after the war between the primordial one and the second descender. The primordial one got corrupted and that would also explain why the god we see fighting us at the start is using light, but it is covered by some other power that seems to be covering parts of its body as well. This makes it hard to explain why the Tzaritza wants to overthrow celestia thou, since I doubt it is just due to a personality shift when they literally created mankind on Teyvat. But that could be explained as the primordial one wanting to do something actively harmful to the world, to know that it is corrupted and it being corrupted and changing its purpose is why it did not want anyone to know the history before then. This was how I originally thought it was, and probably one of the more popular idea of whom the descenders are. First descender: Primordial one Second descender: Celestia, won the war against primordial one and banned any knowledge from before then and pretended to be the primordial one. Third descender: Unknown but its remains are what the gnosis are made of along with the seven dragon sovereigns powers. Forth descender: Aether and Lumine.

[@StrangerWorld77]

You should try HI3 for more understanding about Hoyoverse

[@adriantepes4355]

Actually, no. GGZ has more information regarding cosmology

[@StrangerWorld77]

@@adriantepes4355 I agree but to be fair GGZ is hard to access because the game is not available anymore on global. Also HI3 is some sort of the remake of GGZ for more better storytelling.

[@adriantepes4355]

@@StrangerWorld77 not exactly "remake". GGZ explains stuff regarding the Honkai universe, Hi3 mostly explains stuff regarding their own world. To be more precise, you need to read the mangas if you really want to understand the cosmology, the CN version especially. EN has translation issues

[@Azzywrld224]

I love when you go deep.

[@SzalonyHollow]

Hi, nice video (don't have much knowladge about genshin, skipped the game after Inazuma, so forgive me is I say something stupid), my firs vid here so if y say something about it, sorry. I think, it would be more logical to try to find some connection similarrities to Akivili, but still it all give me vibe of something much deeper. I'm talking about Sa, from hi3rd. I mean we head here world like : here, your free super OP power source (created by the wish of it), the thing is, it started rand. explode. Another thing is, Venusian named honkai by the name of abyss if I remember correctly. Interesting. And my question is, is there known in GI something about finnality? (cocon or aeon) or Su (char. from hi3, that kinda become omnipresent observer)

[@mjsupport78]

NGL 9:44 reminded me of stellaron from belobog

[@777dreamresort]

video is crazy fr amazing theory on this one, ngl the sustainer actually looks like the female hsr mc but as an evil/corrupted god i still have in mind, that we shouldnt forget about honkai impact bc the name is more directly connected to genshin AND the sustainer of heavenly principles is literally a valkyrie.. but what is the deal behind the universe of hsr and honkai impact? like whooo created those and why? guess thats a bit too deep lmao i hope we get more answers towards the primordial one soon! also is there a way to dm you? i'd love to share a music project that i made for fun based on genshin. the primordial sea specifically.. dont wanna promote myself at all i just think u might have a joy listening thru, understanding all the details i put in lol

[@playworld2.017]

The sustainer is not Valkyrie but she was inspired by a Valkyrie (Kiana) when she was controlled by the bad Sirin in herrscher of void form The sustainer has a lot of similarities with herrscher (the special eyes, the front arm having another colors, being extremely strong)

[@lunasquib]

18:28 well a god can surely change sex

[@The_original_one]

“ the fake sky " referring to the cell that primordial one put upon tyvat to protect the world from outside universe not that the world always have the fake sky neuvillete knows about the fake sky we can see in his character demo.

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

A barrier against outside forces dammm that would be a good theory, can't imagine if the IPC's fleet would start attacking Teyvat.

[@Giovansbilly]

​@@idontspeakjapanese6289Not only that, but Ten Stonehearts like Topaz and Aventurine are recently revealed to be able to draw upon a part of the power of an Emanator of Preservation, and it's theorized that Emanators are generally more powerful than Archon due to feats of certain ones like destroying entire planets, so there's a possibility of one of the Ten Stonehearts being able to at least match an Archon if the Emanator of Preservation is more powerful than an Archon and the Stoneheart is allowed to/can draw just enough to equal with the Archon

[@kevinbaumhoer7359]

​@@Giovansbillyand then there are the Herrschers and i mean the GGZ version of them how can destroy Universes with eas currently the GGZ Heerscher foremost GGZ Kiana and Mei are part of the top 10 Strongest beings in Hoyoverse lore

[@brightlight8852]

The primordial one is more similar to a Cacoon than anything else.

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

No. Also there is only one true Cocoon. The others are basically failed versions of the OG. Cocoon is a universal god that moves around the Imaginary Tree. PO is nothing like it.

[@brightlight8852]

@jakeblitzcoffie4859 No in HI3 ending reveals that there is more than one cacoon. As the cacoon for Mars contacts Kiana. The cacoon isn't unique.

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

@@brightlight8852 Bruh. I feel like you didn't even understand what I said. THE Cocoon is the one of the Honkai and Finality. The Mars Cocoon is a weaker version that failed the "embrace." Only Kiana and the CoF specifically are strongest. We know this because it's the first Cocoon to ever successfully merge with someone. We also know that this Cocoon has been around the Imaginary Tree countless times and has sent HoTE to destroy countless planets in the past. This is seen in the Second Key manga. The Mars Cocoon is just another random fodder in comparison to the CoF and it's feats. Besides, it's probably not an actual Cocoon at all, but artificial. There is only one real Cocoon out there, as it was already at Mars and destroyed it's PE civilization before heading to Earth. Whatever is on Mars, it's not the same as CoF, only similar.

[@brightlight8852]

@jakeblitzcoffie4859 In that part of the universe. Something to always keep in mind is that even if Kiana seems all-powerful, she is not. Nor is she completely unique. She met a failed cacoon, but just that doesn't mean that it's the only one and all of the other cacoons are failures. Because the universe of Honkai is so large that hell the Kiana in HI3 isn't the only Kiana.

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

@@brightlight8852 We are specifically talking about Hi3 universe right now. In it, CoF is currently the strongest being there is alongside Kiana, who is basically nigh omnipotent right now. She can literally blow up planets with a thought and create and destroy bubble universes at will. Nobody we know currently has that type of power. 🤷

[@daniilmakhinov5247]

💙💙💙💙

[@chesterkuro15bernoulli75]

So, I guess the Fatui are aha followers ...

[@johnb1145]

Scaramouche making a long statement in english about the fake sky, and his lips move twice in chinese. Wtf.. 😅

[@Roihclem871]

Sampo is the primordial one, teyvat is a prank.

[@shuragaming4836]

Lmao😂😂😂

[@davidjohnson8273]

So I think there's one big fault with this video which is the question you ask repeatedly "why wouldn't MiHoyo connect their games like this?" No, they wouldn't. No game company would do that. As to why first let me quote one of the reaction comments to the video, "I swear if Genshin is just a simulated universe I’ll sue Hoyo myself" See that's not a positive reaction, right? The problem is you'd be telling everyone that "to really play and understand game X you kinda have to play all are other games too". Nobody has time for that which leaves you thinking, "well I don't want to play if I'm only getting half the experience because I don't have time to commit to N games". Even you yourself said in this video "hey I have another video on an associated topic BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WATCH IT to enjoy this video." Why did you say that? Because you want people to watch this video! Now of course if the game is part of a series and they come out one after the other that's fine. Or if you just want a little Easter egg in one game from another or a cross over event that's fine. If you want to drop the same themes to make people who do happen to play multiple games thinking that way that's fine too. But what you can't do is make it so you HAVE to play another game to understand the other. And all that goes double if the game that's being explained is your flagship big earning game and it's being "explained" in a smaller game. Or if you are based in a country that's passing laws to limit how much time you force players to participate such as making them think they have to play a second entire game to fully experience the first. ----------------------------------------------------- Now it's fine to throw some HI3 or HSR stuff at the wall and see if it could fill in some blanks but it's never going to be needed. For example let's take the origin of dragons. Genshin the game says there's dragons on other planets too, and it suggests they are a few billion years old. They don't need any explanation in game. They're just a natural phenomena. Saying oh they are seeded by some critter from HSR bazillions of years ago doesn't really help "explain" it because explanation as a process is to take a complex thing and contextualize it in terms of something simpler. Not the other way around. Besides which I'm not sure it's a good fit since the dragon sovereigns seem to be different ages based on their statements. Azhdaha claims to be older than the oceans. So specifically he's older than the Hydro sovereign. The Hydro sovereign in turn claims all life originated in the seas. So he's claiming to be older than Apep. Rock is older than Water is older than Life. Geo is older than Hydro is older than Dendro. So does this dude in your video keep revisiting each planet to add an extra dragon each time? Like Santa Clause revisiting each home every Christmas to add the new presents? It feels like it's easier to say "the dragon Sovereigns are the personification of the great elements and have existed as long as the great elements have. They can't die they can only have their energy dispersed for a while until they reincarnate". Why? That's just how elemental energy works. It works the same for slimes. The point is we don't need to know more about the dragons. And we don't need to know more about the Primordial One either. It's origins that is. I agree they didn't invent human beings but not because HSR says so but because Genshin says so. The game says it in several places. First because the Twins are humans that come from outside. Therefore there are humans outside. Traveler sometimes talks about other worlds they have visited and the implication is they were inhabited by humans too. Drunkard's Tale references that Seelie were with humans off planet long ago. Genshin tells us this. We don't need to know more, except that when the Traveler briefly references the only homeworld of humanity that by definition of the words "home" and "only" means the Primordial One also came from there (possibly quite indirectly). Which has implications for the Gnostic Chorus. But this is all in the Genshin game. Now my guess is that MiHoyo's other games also reference a human homeworld and a diaspora but it's not necessary to say they are the same. The Primordial One terraforms part of the planet it finds to create Teyvat from the inhospitable Light realm. We don't need HSR for this. Genshin tells us. For example in the text of the Sangacorex it says they were designed to terraform Teyvat. "They were once destroyers of the old order" by "convert[ing] the rampaging elemental energies" So the Light realm is de-toxified to make it habitable for humans and becomes the Human realm. We don't need HSR to say that the PO was trying to hide / protect their microcosm. Alice tells us about the boundaries. Boundaries imply wanting to keep things out. Wanting to keep things out implies you know things are out there that want to get in. And we know something did get in. This is all in Genshin. Can you interpret it within an HSR context? or HI3? sure - probably. And probably in several different ways. Just as you can interpret the Sabzeruz festival as in honor of the Endless Eight. But nobody thinks you need to watch Endless Eight to understand Sabzeruz. Or watch "Steins; Gate" to understand the Irminsul. And MiHoyo don't want to imply you need to play HSR to understand Genshin. And that means there's never going to be actionable lore inferences based on any connections you see there. ----------------------------------------------------- And you may say that's fine I wasn't saying you have to play HSR to understand Genshin. It's just a theory that's for fun. It's not a theory for trying to predict the lore of Genshin. I guess I take this stuff too seriously - you might say. But if we take there to be two types of lore theory and the second is the more serious attempt to predict where the plot is going and how stuff works and making actionable inferences, then I don't think lore from outside the game helps except as an illustration. So you can say, hey according to the lore the Primordial One doesn't invent humans but more sort of transports and seeds them on a new world -- and as an illustration of how that might work you could look at this aspect of this other MiHoyo game. But you can't take the next step and say well let's assume that this is the HSR world and that means that the primordial One must be person X and that means thing Y must be about to happen. As a classic example of this think back to v1.0 when everyone who played HI3 just assumed the reason Khaenri'ah was destroyed was because of rampaging Honkai brought about by Khaenri'ahs advanced technology. That is totally false. We now know the Ancient Civilization had more advanced tech again, but didn't trigger any Honkai and was fine for a long time. But this concept of advanced tech = devastation which was imported from HI3 was infecting people's lore predictions for a long long time. You still see it when people assume Khaenri'ah got zapped because they researched the Abyss - the game says they had been using Abyssal power for thousands of years entirely safely.

[@XenoGenerator]

While you are correct saying that we don't need to play one game to understand the other, we know for a fact that all 4 games in the Honkaiverse (GGZ/HG2, HI3rd, GI and HSR) are all in the same universe. Just look at Welt, he's in both HI3rd and HSR, and we know he's the same person in both, but you don't need to play HI3rd to know what's his deal in HSR because it isn't important to the story HSR wants to tell. If anything, it just enhances the experience, but it isn't needed at all.

[@Giovansbilly]

Also the Chinese gaming time limitation law isn't a decent explanation for the meta reason why Hoyo shouldn't connect the games that deeply to require playing another game. I don't think some Hoyo higher ups appreciate the CCP's meddling that way

[@lixscafe]

atp teyvat does sound like a simulation and i am not liking it guys.

[@pumpalin8661]

Genshin is a simulation???

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

‘: D

[@k.duelist4913]

Fuck, I hope Honkai and Genshin isn't related or it will suck balls

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

Like it or not it they belong in a single universe, Da Wei already confirmed this.

[@XenoGenerator]

​@@The_original_oneAccording to the original chinese script, it is in fact a single universe, not a multiverse. All those lines of dialogue saying the leaves on the Tree and the bubbles on the Sea are different universes are mistranslations

[@Giovansbilly]

​@@idontspeakjapanese6289And it's also revealed through HI3, so

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

@@Giovansbilly IKR but some people just hate facts especially those fanatical folks on the Genshin community who thinks that Genshin shouldn't be part of the Honkai verse even though the devs already confirmed it.

[@swizzamane8775]

Soooo... erm... take the Season Pass cutscene... Lumine is the Princess who was Corrupted. Aether is the Prince, of whom WE play ^_^