The Pro-Life Movement Is Getting Much Crazier

[@quentinstayskull2464]

they litterally said girls "minor women" should be sent to jail for being raped! Holy shit!

[@xxGhostXIIIxx]

it pretty much identical to the shit in Afghanistan Christian Taliban bro

[@itsmarinah]

The phrase “minor women” makes me want that guy put on an FBI watchlist

[@langstonsmith1322]

@xxGhostXlllxx Basically, the Talibama

[@MoonshineH]

Yeah lol such a self-report

[@ezachleewright2309]

I think anyone who says "minor women" should go to jail

[@zephyr8072]

They’re not pro-life, they have nothing but contempt for life. Forced-birthers is their proper name.

[@darthslain]

fetus worshipping death cultists to give them their full title

[@ratofthecity6351]

anti choice also works

[@TheInSaNeTenno]

This

[@darthslain]

@@ratofthecity6351 also fetus worshipping death cultists fits them

[@Juniversal]

When a migrant family drowns attempting to cross the border they celebrate. "Pro-life" certainly isn't an accurate term.

[@Kickiusz]

The "pro-life" movement, advocating for death penalty. Kinda says it all, doesn't it?

[@VictoriousGardenosaurus]

Small government but we want to control your body. Literally 1894

[@justanotherleftie]

and guns in schools

[@TsunamiNR]

It’s like the “Mom’s for liberty” advocating for books banning… So delusional they call themselves the exact opposite of what they are.

[@jlessien3826]

A bit ironic, isn't it?

[@ProudTexan319]

pro life is about babies not murderers, but I would not expect someone with a gay flag pope profile to be smart

[@darthslain]

"minor woman" ...those two words do not go together!

[@calebharris292]

That's how they see it, product not yet on the market. Possibly for preorder.

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

@@calebharris292 Yeah, they're planning for the midnight release of the product.

[@dynamicworlds1]

​@@calebharris292I hate how accurate that is.

[@calebharris292]

@@dynamicworlds1 good. You shouldn't delude yourself into ignorance.

[@HumanIsError]

The groomers were calling from inside the house.

[@blauewaffel1469]

Crazy Right wingers: You don't even know what a woman is Also Crazy Right wingers: Ａ ｍ ｉ ｎ ｏ ｒ　ｗ ｏ ｍ ａ ｎ

[@CRSB00]

I mean they really big on bringing chikde bridges back so they are consistent in that aspect

[@MumblingSolipsist]

@@CRSB00 chikde bridges XD

[@arcanineryu]

Yeah, seriously, who let the people who think a 15 year old is an adult define what a woman is?

[@Bumpgin]

So much for "adult human female", lol Screw these guys

[@DonaldTrumpPresident2O24]

Vaush fans really love to dodge the right wing questions. Truly shows how solid the right wing opinions are.

[@StardewMatt]

The fact that they’re going after IVF should be enough of a sign that they *aren’t* pro life, rather they’re pro forced birth.

[@DoritoBot9000]

They are pro their own fanfic trad lifestyle, nothing else. Anything that can improve women’s or actual children’s lives goes against it. Hijacking the word “life” is just a facade.

[@InsufficientGravitas]

I mean given it would mean that failure to implant (even in regular circumstances, which isn't uncommon) would also be murder, or to put it another way, any time a couple have sex and the woman does not get pregnant, that is a potential crime scene that MUST be investigated as a murder has potentially occurred.

[@enginerdy]

@@InsufficientGravitasthey’ve backwards worked their way around to Catholicism, whose whole opinion on the matter is based on an intentionally misinterpreted passage for the purpose of forcing as many catholic babies to be born as possible

[@peterd9698]

In a way it was more obvious while they were drawing a hypocritical distinction: a woman with a fertilised egg must bring it to term because that is a person, but frozen embryos were not considered people because there was no attached woman to control.

[@cathyosbourne6986]

They're pro r@pist picking their baby mama's.

[@deathshop2172]

we're like, one step from them unironically going "if a woman is not pregnant whenever it is possible for her to be, she's denying god's plan" what the fuck.

[@MrMerve-tl9my]

Christian nationalism is a massive threat to freedom. Republicans want to establish christian nationalism with Project 2025

[@enginerdy]

yep.

[@AlienZizi]

under his eye 🥲

[@yesyesyes666]

or a step from "women who are not pregnant can't work because eggs are potential babies and you can damage your eggs by working" hell if they starting going after periods i won't be surprised

[@missinterpretation4984]

Dang that’s probably true. My gosh it’s scary.

[@purplepotatoes9255]

>pro life >Dies ?????

[@Newton-Reuther]

Curious

[@antaluster]

Concerning

[@MrMerve-tl9my]

!

[@adamplentl5588]

Interesting

[@harvesterofeyes8813]

Big if true

[@kated3165]

Remember, those were the same people chanting ''My body my choice!!'' when being asked to please just wear a mask during their 20 min grocery shopping... during a world-wide deadly pandemic.

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

I mean there's *technically* no inconsistency from their point of view, because in their mind it's the child's body not the woman's body regarding abortion.

[@kated3165]

@@tinfoilslacks3750 True! It's all about "the precious baby" until said baby is born with female parts... then it becomes worthless.

[@ehhsquidwarddd]

@@tinfoilslacks3750no it’s very inconsistent, the 1 month old embryo has no autonomy to make decisions for a body that it has not started developing .

[@oygemprime3864]

Genuinely crazy that they care *this much* about human life until the moment that that human life has autonomy.

[@blauewaffel1469]

Every baby born is a potential soldier or breeder.

[@HumanIsError]

It's because they don't.

[@DimaRakesah]

Autonomy means less control. Can't have that, can we?

[@samiamrg7]

“Pro-Life,” but literally speculating that women who have miscarriages might be eligible for the death penalty. The projection could not be more obvious if they were in a movie theatre.

[@jlessien3826]

Wow, glad that I'm a Belgium citizen. I had a misscariage at 15 weeks into my pregnancy, whilest having scepsis. According to their logic I should have died that day. Well, though luck, I became a mother of a healthy baby boy, when I became pregnant for the second time (eight years ago).

[@molybdomancer195]

British woman here. About 25 years ago a fetus died in my womb but the pregnancy didn’t end. Without taking the “abortion pill” I would very probably have got sepsis which is potentially life threatening. If that had happened, my son would have had no mother and I wouldn’t have been around to give birth to my daughter.

[@colorbugoriginals4457]

"minor woman" is groomer talk 😳

[@violetsparkles5453]

The mask came right off right there

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

The 1864 law that banned abortion they ressurrected is right next to a law that sets the age of consent to 10 - that is next I suppose. Keep them pregnant from puberty is their goal.

[@colorbugoriginals4457]

@@TorIverWilhelmsen oh god. thank you for sharing that bit. we've got a real fight on our hands for freedom.

[@jacqueshardin4601]

Correction: This movement is not pro-life. It is pro-birth with no exceptions whatsoever.

[@vidyagaems4063]

Not just pro-birth, but pro-living-birth. A woman who miscarries is guilty in their worldview.

[@ViniSocramSaint]

Correction of the correction: It's not pro-birth. It is anti-abortion. And more generalistically: anti-anything-pagan.

[@Adraeth]

More like "Pro-forced-birth".

[@LordChevonlier]

Forced-birth

[@jacqueshardin4601]

@@LordChevonlier Touché

[@JourneyLT]

If you're preborn, you're fine, if you're preschool, you're fucked.

[@larachaplauske8818]

I miss George Carlin 😢.

[@dg7815]

. . . a broodmare for the state . . .

[@katyungodly]

"they're not pro life! They're anti-women!" RIP George Carlin 🙌🏻

[@echiko4932]

Mfs want their women pre-ordered

[@magnus_cockstrong]

These people have a sub middle school understanding of biology

[@grout6924]

it's worse: they have a misunderstood version of an imprefectly translated ancient book of fables level understanding of biology

[@magnus_cockstrong]

@@grout6924 I stand corrected lmao

[@Toastcat890]

They don't understand biology at all.

[@Echo81Rumple83]

i was taught general sex-ed in the 6th grade, IN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. if they go into middle school without that background knowledge, they're figuratively and literally f**ked.

[@grout6924]

@@magnus_cockstrongyou should be ashamed of yourself

[@Adraeth]

"There's no hate quite like christian love."

[@openminded4751]

Not a Pro birther asking “what would you do during the holocaust?” in reference to unborn fetuses while 1000% being the type that supports Israel in their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

[@thekingoffailure9967]

*unborn WHITE fetuses

[@a_kazakis]

Forget Palestine, let's use his own example, do you think he wouldn't immediately go with the side of the N*zis if they promised him a position with power? These people have no principles.

[@Chris-ci8vs]

Except that's not happening lololol. Maybe get your facts checked haha.

[@NukaNikki]

None of the women in that room would even be allowed to have an opinion if christian boy had his way

[@kated3165]

That's the dumbest part... you would be amazed how pretty much every single ''red pill'' woman thinks that voting is their god given right! Nothing to do with feminism there, nuh uh! Of course they should be able to vote! 🙄

[@Sqwivig]

I say this as a woman myself, I feel like religious women are a disgrace to my gender.

[@OsirisLord]

Theologically speaking there are laws in the Bible regarding the death of an unborn person and they DO NOT equate it to the life of a baby. If a man strikes a woman and she miscarries than that man owes the woman's husband money as though property was damaged.

[@PobortzaPl]

You know what happens when The Book doesn't support viewpoints of the fanatics? They just lie about what The Book says.

[@NeonNijahn]

You think they've read the whole thing?

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@PobortzaPlBut the Old Testament laws may or may not apply according to the New Testament. Divorce permissions explicitly don't.

[@PobortzaPl]

@richardarriaga6271 There's a Church song, at least sung in Poland in Catholic Church, that goes "Let the time of old laws Step out in favour of New Testament" (in Polish it goes in reverse: "Niech przed Nowym Testamentem starch praw ustąpi czas").

[@TheJoeFactor]

​@@richardarriaga6271 laws may not apply, I feel like the implications of who and what is a person should. A God that just changed their mind on that doesn't seem the most omnipotent or rational.

[@Hashishian007]

Here's a direct quote from the bible, Exodus 21 Verse 22-25: When men have a fight and hurt a pregnant woman, so that she suffers a miscarriage, but no further injury, the guilty one shall be fined as much as the woman’s husband demands of him, and he shall pay in the presence of the judges. 23 But if injury ensues, you shall give life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. The literal Bible doesn't equate fetuses as people

[@MrMerve-tl9my]

Theres an old atheist joke: The best way to deconvert as a christian is to read the bible.

[@Nomen.Monniker]

​@@MrMerve-tl9myyeah, that's what happened to me... I was a total believer until I actually read the book. Scary, scary stuff!

[@roberteriksen6434]

This never works. No religious person ever has changed their mind upon discovering their holy book commands them to act otherwise, they don't care. The only people ever opening these books are the atheists missing the point.

[@enginerdy]

@@roberteriksen6434I mean, there are a lot of people who “study” regularly which usually involves someone explaining what almost everything “actually means”.. but there are a lot of people, particularly the Trump types who are nearly religiously illiterate

[@joz534]

@@roberteriksen6434 It does work... that's where Atheists come from. I personally know at least 2 whose deconversion from Christianity started with actually reading the Bible.

[@tamzinjones1530]

“Minor woman” turned my stomach. I cry for the future of this planet.

[@preciousmourning8310]

I guess the word "girl" was never invented.

[@Void-qz1zd]

​@@preciousmourning8310 is that you in your pfp please respond

[@preciousmourning8310]

@@Void-qz1zdNo, it's art .

[@OneEyeShadow]

1:20 Human Life starts in the balls. Those cowards just can't admit this obvious, self-evident FACT.

[@MenacingWithVideos]

Life begins at ejaculation!

[@INF1NIT3D00M]

Everything stored in my balls is a human life, including all of the pee

[@elias7027]

Did you fail basic biology?

[@moira4707]

​@@elias7027this is reductio ad absurdum - pushing the point to its absurdist limit to demonstrate how ridiculous the premise is. It's satire, yo

[@justanotherleftie]

​@@elias7027did you miss a joke?

[@jarlsparkley]

Vaush, thank you for pointing out that the pro life people never seem to be interested in doing anything positive to make people more willing to have the baby. Or promoting programs that would lead to fewer unwanted pregnancies from happening in the first place. It’s really important for people to talk about this.

[@AgentAika001]

We need to stop accepting their framing of the argument. They are not Pro life. They are anti choice

[@DoritoBot9000]

All things that have been proven to work in a multitude of different countries and cultures.

[@richardarriaga6271]

As a movement, yes. I wouldn't claim that for individuals.

[@vidyagaems4063]

Normies are catching on to "forced birth" term, which is good. But instead of "forced birther", it should be "birth forcer", because shortening it to "birther" would be ambiguous, but "forcer" is both more negative-sounding and free from meaning.

[@embrikchloraker8186]

I also call them anti-choice, because their actions only affect life adversely.

[@enginerdy]

@@embrikchloraker8186tbh forcer is pretty good, and accurate

[@NeonNijahn]

Obi Wan was a force user. Look at Padme.

[@MrGreenTabasco]

@@NeonNijahn lmao

[@thomasfplm]

Maybe birth enforcer? I think it rolls better and enforcer also has a very negative connotation.

[@carstenpfundt]

By his logic it sounds to me like no one should be able to shoot a home intruder

[@Point_Particle]

Exactly. Selective outrage.

[@little_flitter]

Oh no no no, that's protecting your private property that's obviously fine. A woman having rights over her body is wayyyyyy worse cmon.

[@tedculbertson6320]

They believe that we are made in God's image, so we all have an innate right to life, but that right is very easy to lose.

[@vidyagaems4063]

@@little_flitter It's not her body once she decides to become pregnant. Should have rejected the sperm, like women can, as we know from conservative education.

[@little_flitter]

@vidyagaems4063 ah yes you're totally correct, you can after all choose whether you fertilise the egg or not.

[@florenmage]

We can't sit on the fence anymore. We have to protect women's rights. These insane people are coming to destroy them.

[@matthewdavid6134]

I found out only recently my republican abortion is murder mom had an abortion as a teenager that she never told me about, it’s insane the double think

[@julesmasseffectmusic]

So your mum's an American.

[@serversurfer6169]

"A life for a life! The same penalty imposed for killing a born person is imposed for killing a pre-born person." That is explicitly anti-biblical. The Bible says that a fetus _isn't_ a life, in the verse just before the one he quotes. The penalty for causing a miscarriage is a fine paid to the father, and approved by the judges. 🤦‍♂️

[@preciousmourning8310]

True, prolife is crap made up in the 19th century.

[@JaneFleesTexas]

It pisses me off so much - to hear him say women have to be in “imminent danger” of dying. He’s not a doctor in the first place, but his policies aren’t what the majority of Texans want. We do not want women in imminent danger of dying before given abortions, yet that’s what happening. I don’t think ANYONE has the right to decide for someone else if they want to carry a non-sentient embryo to term or not. No one knows if a pregnancy will kill them or not, therefore no one has the right to decide for them if they want to put their lives at risk. These people are sick and it makes me so angry there’s not more pushback against them in my damn state.

[@nicolettemw]

I wonder what these "pro-lifers" think of the thousands of innocent people, mothers and babies, dying in Gaza as we speak.

[@rainbowkrampus]

"I must condemn Hamas."

[@richardarriaga6271]

I actually know one who hates what the IDF has done and wants peace for Palestine. Not everyone is what you see in video.

[@thechairman1318]

They don't think of them as people, and it is not just *_these_* Christians that think that way. They won't have the spine to put it this bluntly, especially when they aren't with fellow cultists, but they do not see them as human beings. They yearn for the end times, and will not only excuse, but applaud what Isr@el does, because the way Christians see it, that's how the end times happens. Hundreds of thousands, hundreds of millions, billions... they all go on a big corpse heap so that White Jesus will come back and whisk all the good Christians up to White Heaven where Ronald Reagan, Henry Kissinger and I dunno, Cecil Rhodes are hanging out. And what does Isr@el get for their services? They get to go to hell, of course! Some Christians will say they think *_some_* of them will get to go to heaven, but that's if they apologize for not believing Jesus, despite the fact that Christianity is basically a fanfiction sequel to Judaism.

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

"I hate what those shifty murderous jews are doing to the palestinians", guaranteed

[@DecayedSlav]

“Minor women” .. what?💀

[@buckmanley1233]

Women who are legally minors

[@MrMerve-tl9my]

@@buckmanley1233it’s only the law that stops them

[@preciousmourning8310]

I thought we called them girls.

[@buckmanley1233]

@@preciousmourning8310 minor is a legal distinction, a 17 year old woman is not a girl just because she's underage

[@littlerabbit584]

"Statistics are often not correct..." "Yes they are" "No I'm saying they're not correct in a way that supports you" "Oh! I agree"

[@B03Eastwood]

That was pretty damning yeah. I wonder what happened to self-reflection here?

[@jacobjohnston3983]

At the end of the day this conversation reaches a brick wall, because these people believe in *magic* and I don’t.

[@preciousmourning8310]

They can't even follow their own bible they supposedly base their worldview on. The bible says that someone should receive the death penalty for accidentally killing a woman but only a fine for accidentally causing a woman to miscarry. Even the bible doesn't say a fetus is equal to a born human.

[@RiggsBF]

These are the same people who are against any type of economic reform that would lift people out of poverty.

[@gangofgreenhorns2672]

You'd think from their actions that Jesus was some woman beater who only liked rich dudes.

[@crassiewassie8354]

To use the “abortion is genocide” argument as a genocide is literally happening in Gaza is very strange.

[@crashchannel_2787]

I used to get my hormones at the planned parenthood and those ppl would always try to talk to me or shout at me about the baby i wasn't carrying lol

[@preciousmourning8310]

There's so many reasons people go to a sexual health clinic that have nothing to do with abortion. Imagine going to get genital warts frozen off and being screamed at about ABORTSHUNS!!!!

[@ScoopMeisterGeneral]

The phrase "minor women" is oddly terrifying in this context.

[@atlantiswolf]

Unironically ontologicaly evil

[@The5armdamput33]

17:36 Earlier he said that people who pay for or plan abortions should be charged.... - Who's paying for the "minor woman's" abortion in this case?

[@AlexKlindt]

Isn't it funny how the world would be objectively better if everyone in that room were currently subjected to the penalties that they wish inflicted upon others? The level of casual disregard for people from these folks is abhorrent.

[@mj91212]

Nice to see someone actually speaking the harsh truth.

[@jonathandorn1691]

people like this are a prime argument for abortion

[@watsonwrote]

How many of the people in that room would give up their livers and kidneys to keep random people alive? Aren't they cruelly committing those sick people to death by not sharing their bodies?

[@ss-ds2dn]

That doesn't give them the "punishing women for having sex " angle that they get off on

[@JaikoDiaz117]

Funny how NO ONE TALKED ABOUT THE MAIN REASONS ABORTIONS HAPPEN... ECONOMIC CONDITIONS AND HOW TO BETTER SAID CONDITIONS IN ORDER TO PREVENT ABORTIONS. They all think teenagers are gettin abortions weekly, that there are promotions and discounts and prizes for achieving a certain number of abortions.

[@MrMerve-tl9my]

That’s socialism!!!!!

[@Alex-0597]

They don't think bad things happen because of outside factors, they think they happen because you're a sinful wretch who has tracked mud all over the life God had so graciously granted you. It's all personal responsibility. Unless it's happened to them specifically, then it's the personal responsibility of others.

[@DoritoBot9000]

Ah, but those things only happen to lazy bad people, you see. So they deserve to be punished. /s

[@dynamicworlds1]

They oppose everything that would actually lower abortion rates, from the economics, to sex ed. They just want to punish women for sex. It really is that simple.

[@AFrickinDwarf]

They want women dead. They want women either barefoot in the kitchen or dead on the street with no in between.

[@slipknot95maggot]

My stats aren't wrong My stats aren't wrong My stats aren't wrong My st- ooh you said they're wrong in my favor..? Nah gurl you right

[@N_IRL]

Exactly! He was like "NO THESE STATS ARE 100% ACCURATE HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME! Oh wait you're supporting my narrative? Ohhh gotcha gotcha carry on"

[@elisawhitman8526]

When forced-birthers claim that abortion is “murder,” they’re saying that they believe there is such a thing as the RIGHT to be inside or remain inside a woman’s body against her will. It’s sick.

[@missinterpretation4984]

True and they apply that to her husband as well.

[@SorbusAucubaria]

doesn't texas have stand my ground laws? So if a woman were to shoot the fetus in her stomach, she could claim stand her ground? Because it is pretty easy to prove that the fetus endangers womans health and even life.

[@preciousmourning8310]

Even the bible doesn't claim this about fetuses, the bible says a man should be put to death for accidentally killing a woman but causing her to miscarry is only a fine. All this prolife crap they claim is biblical is actually post biblical innovation, mostly from the 19th century.

[@davesnothere420]

Did he just call harassment "sidewalk advocacy?!" What an asshole...

[@moonmanjam9897]

Man... I know its wrong, but its so so so hard not to just hate and dehumanize the religious extremists at times. Ive been a good Little silly but dam, how could 'someone' be so.... Evil.... That seeing 'them' as a person other than a literal demon is actually challenging.

[@itsmarinah]

I completely understand your feelings, and they are entirely rational. I used to be one of these people, and i believed 80% of the things these people said. It took years and a lot of deep thinking, but I changed my beliefs. I say that just to encourage you that people can change. Some of the people in the room are bloodthirsty and evil, but some of them were like me. I didn’t want to harm anyone, and I was against the death penalty. All I wanted was for everyone to live their best possible lives, and fundamentalist Christianity told me that banning abortion would ultimately create a society that allowed people to flourish. I was also young and naive. I’m still a devout Christian, but I have an enhanced perception of nuance and reality that came with age. Sorry for the essay. Just hope it is a little bit encouraging.

[@MrMerve-tl9my]

It’s ok to not like religion. They’re beliefs. It’s ok to not like bad beliefs

[@bigkirbyhj666]

Unfortunately, and Im sorry for this, even the lukewarm fuzzy Christians I don't like if only because of the epistemology behind a good chunk of the bible. And no amount of love thy neighbor, can make up for stuff like god giving the command to dash the babies' heads on the rocks.

[@jimbob3030]

@@itsmarinah "I was also young and naive." Was? " I’m still a devout Christian" Still naive. You haven't untangled your brain yet.

[@RandomGuy-lu1en]

religion is just made up fiction. I don't really understand why we have to respect this delusion

[@BlackOpMercyGaming]

I live in a town very near to Granbury and it makes me SICK that Texas has basically become 1930’s Berlin

[@evandewolde8037]

Someone should make a television show around this. Like a story about a young mother with a kid or two that finds out that in a world where abortion is murder that she will die if she has the kid. The reason she is pregnant? a random rapist. This would be one of the most disgusting television shows and frankly, i think they need to see what potential they would change the world into.

[@FuzzyImages]

They would be like "Why is she so upset, she has a miracle in her, I don't get it!"

[@joz534]

the moral of the story would be that she learned to love the baby and had happy life once she stopped having "ideas".

[@B03Eastwood]

Maybe instead it should be about the unwanted kid, who spent his whole life being resented by their mother, and then turns into a serial killer.

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@B03EastwoodHas "crack baby" vibes.

[@violetsparkles5453]

HBO PLS

[@The5armdamput33]

It's pretty simple... No human has the right to use another person's organs....

[@AlohaChips]

I always say, if they want to be morally consistent about what rights the government should violate in order to protect other rights, then anyone who is against allowing abortion should also be pushing for the government to round people up at regular intervals and take from them blood and bone marrow and whatever organs they can spare, to whatever extent is necessary to save the lives of people who need those things. Whether they want to donate should be irrelevant, because totally banning abortion does the same thing: it sacrifices the right to bodily integrity and autonomy for someone else's "right to life". What's even more absurd is that, unlike with someone who's sick and in need of a donation to save them, in abortion's case, it's entirely disagreed on within both philosophy, and among various religions, as to what point in the process it all becomes "life" in the first place. At least with forced bodily donations you'd be suffering to save what everyone has no disagreement counts as a living human. Roe's viability standard was the moderate position.

[@The5armdamput33]

@@AlohaChips Yes.... but we both know that they don't actually care about protecting life... They are explicitly pro-death... in this video they are drooling over the thought of giving the death penalty to people who have miscarriages.... They would rather protect guns than protect lives... guns... tools used for killing... I can scratch an itch on my ass and kill more living cells than what are present at conception....

[@The5armdamput33]

@@AlohaChips Yes.... but we both know that they don't actually care about protecting life... They are explicitly pro-death... in this video they are drooling over the thought of giving the death penalty to people who have miscarriages.... They would rather protect guns than protect lives... guns... tools used for ending life... I can scratch an itch on my ass and kill more living cells than what are present at conception....

[@Shammrye]

Oh see there’s your problem! Women aren’t people!!! /s

[@kated3165]

@@AlohaChips Heck, even that would be less risky for the life of the person than pregnancy and giving birth is...

[@ticketforepic4429]

No one has the right to another's body without consent. Abortion is nothing more than the revocation of consent. We have the right to self defense and an unwanted pregnancy is a threat to life and body.

[@ElHabsburgHechizado]

By this logic, its the death penalty if you beat your meat too

[@VelcroPoodle]

I need to get a passport. I need to find out how to get my daughter out of here if shit hits. My jaw is on the floor.

[@AgentAika001]

Get her out now. Japan is very lovely.

[@MrMerve-tl9my]

Passports can normally take up to 6 months. Imagine if everyone’s trying to get one… Get it now

[@AgentAika001]

@@MrMerve-tl9my exactly The original poster said "if shit hits" Once shit hits its too late. If you've actually seen Handmaids Tale there were women who had valid passports but if they were attempting to leave and suspected of being lesbian, they were detained. GET OUT NOW

[@JHorst-r2u]

Get her out as soon as possible, I'd recommend Switzerland.

[@violetsparkles5453]

Canadas right here. It’s not THAT much better than the US but we don’t arrest women for having terminated pregnancies

[@robbuelens]

Wanting accidentally induced miscarriages to be murder would make it illegal for females between 9 and 50 to do drugs drink alcohol or coffee, be fat, eat papaya, pineapple, sushi, spices or smoke.

[@violetsparkles5453]

It’s about control

[@MrMerve-tl9my]

Conservatives love huge government

[@lizcollinson2692]

Is anyone in that room even capable of pregnancy? 🙄

[@pridemoth_]

Love the people who get really mad at the phrase "pregnant person" being out here saying shit like "born person" and "pre-born person"

[@doodledee3348]

"Minor woman" The years of calling us groomers was just projection, I'm shocked!

[@doomslayerdave]

Maybe we should eliminate bronze age mythology from the equation.

[@rainbowkrampus]

Iron age. There is a thin thread of ideas that go back to the bronze age. But they're so heavily altered that it's hard to really claim that they are the same. Judaism as we know it doesn't really start to form until around 700-900 BCE. The Judaism as represented in modern Bibles develops later still at around 300 BCE. The idea that it goes back much further is mostly just the religion mythologizing itself. Reality is that the people living in the area in the bronze age were a completely different social group with wildly different myths and stories about themselves.

[@preciousmourning8310]

Even the bible says a fetus is not a human and only a fine is legally required for accidentally causing a miscarriage. Prolife is bullshit created in the 19th century.

[@TehAnimationSparxx]

P wild how the majority of of people on this planet literally believe in ancient fantasy fiction so strongly they’re willing to subjugate, ostracise or even kill for it. Wildddddddddddd

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

@rainbowkrampus You really went on an entire technical tangent over an obviously hyperbolic expression? The point of the comment is to simply state that these beliefs are ancient by today's standards and shouldn't have bearing on how modern society organizes itself.

[@rainbowkrampus]

@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 I went on an entire technical tangent to point out that the "bronze age myth" meme plays into the myth making. It's hyperbole which actually undermines the point being made. Since the real point is to denigrate these beliefs. The Iron Age is still quite ancient and we can allude to the backwards nature of Iron Age beliefs and undermine the mythology of modern day believers at the same time by using better precision. Since the goal is to denigrate, why not go for maximum denigration?

[@Kristen70364]

"Minor women" made me boil with rage.

[@kitsune9797]

Imagine quoting the part of the bible that Jesus himself said no longer applies XD

[@enginerdy]

That “if you’d been alive during a genocide” line is losing a lot of its potency lately

[@JoeTony1995]

30 seconds in and there's already massive Christian hypocrisy. "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth." Jesus rebuked that in the Gospels.

[@eccentriastes6273]

So the very first thing he says is wrong. See Exodus 21:22-23. If you cause a pregnant woman to miscarry, you have to pay a fine, but if the woman dies, you get the death penalty, a life for a life. This shows unequivocally that Yahweh's law does NOT treat born and unborn lives as equal. Never mind that Jesus in the Matthew 5:38-39 encourages us to reject the "eye for an eye" philosophy.

[@canadagoose8543]

Fun fact... every pro-life argument applies to the cells in your finger nails.

[@arcanineryu]

Not true, some of them apply instead to cancer cells. Since cancer cells fit the requirement of a unique set of DNA separate from the person it is parasitically dependent on.

[@technicalist101]

Fun fact 1:Finger nail cells are not totipotent and you can't give rise to a new clone of you using that lolll😂. Fun fact 2: you are very stupid

[@technicalist101]

Fun fact 1: finger nails are not totipotent and they can't give rise to a new you Fun fact 2: You're really stupid Fun fact 3: Embryos are not parasitic as it can help heal the heart of the mother faster

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@arcanineryuCancer can't be an independent life. Cancer doesn't gestate cancer that lives independently.

[@richardarriaga6271]

This is a brain dead take. There is a difference between somatic cells and a whole organism or at least pluripotential stem cells.

[@samiamrg7]

Bruh, a “baby” (aka a zygote if you aren’t insane) can fail to implant all on it’s own with no pills involved. It is quite common, in fact. According to a pubmed reveiw I looked up, under natural conditions only about half of embryos successfully implant. If it’s the wrong time of the month, the uterine lining will be too thick and it can’t implant. If it does implant, it could be ejected during menstruation anyway because the hormonal signals weren’t sent fast enough, or the dang thing could be just plain defective and didn’t implant like it was supposed to. This first step of successfully implanting in the uterus is, in theory, a form of natural selection testing wherher the zygote can carry out these basic functions before any resources at all are invested in it by the mother’s body. (In theory, it is a test of the mother’s body as well; wherher it is capable of responding correctly to signals that allow the body to successfully reproduce by carrying a pregnancy to term).

[@violetsparkles5453]

My brother in Christ, these people cannot FATHOM these things. They just go “ooga booga” cuz the bible says so or something. They cannot comprehend

[@preciousmourning8310]

Plus he's an idiot calling Plan B an abortion pill when it's really a contraceptive.

[@renezirkel]

@@violetsparkles5453 All the medical reasoning siamiarg7 is giving, might help hard core christians just to rule out "ooga booga" for women with such conditions or such timing. (And men with similar medical problems). You know, for hard core christians "ooga booga" is only allowed if it gurantees 100% a reproduction.

[@controllerfreak78]

Love how they have the “come and take it” symbol on their flag. Their authoritarianism is exactly what the second amendment is meant to prevent.

[@strezztechnoid]

Having a period, when a egg is displaced by the uterus by natural action--how is this a deliberate act of homicide (or whatever).

[@Egooist.]

_No human has the right to another human's body. Why should a zygote, embryo, or fetus?!_

[@PHN3]

Personally, I do see myself as a liitle radical on abortion (until that baby comes out, its not a person and just a part of the mother's body, and the mother can do with it what she would like), but even moderates should go against the shit that this christian group is pushing for.

[@asherroodcreel640]

Dude I don't even think babys are people, what people stuff can they do

[@Almost_a_hero]

1 year after conception is where I draw the line

[@lizzyisbored9882]

​@@asherroodcreel640 What is funny is that the Bible doesn't see babies as people until month after birth. Probably to cope with the high infant mortality rate.

[@B03Eastwood]

@@Almost_a_hero 1 year after birth. If they're going to the opposite extreme we have to go further in the other direction to get a better compromise. Haggling was very common in the era when the bible was written. Seriously though, I would just leave it to the mother. She's the one who is, by far, the most affected by the death of the foetus or baby.

[@preciousmourning8310]

@@asherroodcreel640 Poop and pee, cry and sleep but not any of the higher mental functions.

[@l.francesca4780]

To paraphrase Mama Dr. Jones, as I love to do: there is no hard line at which a woman goes from at risk of dying to "actively dying." There is only a hard line when a woman goes from dying to dead. We do not live in the Legend of Zelda where we have big health bars that beep when we're below 3 hearts to tell us "Yo, one more hit and you're gonna go down, you better eat 14 apples if you want to live." Pregnancy is always, at every moment, from the instant of conception to several weeks after delivery, a MORE DANGEROUS state of being for a woman than simply not being pregnant. You are at a higher risk for every bad thing that can happen to you while you are pregnant than if you are simply not pregnant. (Also, I use woman here, but yes, clearly this is true for men and enbies and and anyone capable of getting pregnant. The risk is always higher for anything when you are pregnant than when you are not.) The idea that "Well, when there is CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER to the mother, then we will of course let the doctors remove the fetus, as long as they do their best to save them both." Like, my guy, it is not like a bear just visibly shows up in the room and starts goring her. It is not like she goes from trickling several liters of blood and amniotic fluid in an hour to just gushing Blockbuster Movie levels of gore and blood and the first one is okay because it's slow and the second one is "active danger" just because it looks scarier. Both are actively dangerous states. It's not like you get a status notification pop up when the pregnant person goes from "at risk of sepsis" because her dead baby is not being ejected from the womb yet to just "oh, it's active sepsis now, but only just this second, so we still have an hour to get the baby out before the parent dies." No. "At risk of sepsis" is always a hair a way from "sepsis." Never forget that people have literally actually died because they were not allowed to have their dead fetuses removed, were actively bleeding out, and got sepsis in the hospital and died because of laws on the books that threatened doctors because "at risk of sepsis is not sepsis don't you dare remove that fetus because she's not actively dying." When literally actually she was dying and did die. Pregnant people do actually frequently die because of these laws. Because doctors are not allowed to do what they think would save their patient because some conservative might sue them later because "the woman didn't die so clearly she wasn't in active danger of dying." There are literally only 2 options to explain why conservatives think this way. Either they're delusional and think "actually we do live in Hyrule where everyone has a glowing health bar and the doctors can totally see it. And I can't see it but surely I will be able to deduce through my big brain when a doctor saving a woman was actually doing the right thing or not even though I have no medical degree, because I am very smart. This is a good law." or you have conservatives that 100% know that pregnant people don't have health bars but they think YOU'RE stupid enough to not know that and vote for them anyway because to their mind, the life of a pregnant person is a price they are willing to pay for the power to keep their wives barefoot and pregnant, control everyone else who is capable of getting pregnant, and getting the feel-good brownie points because they get to gloat about how this law totally saves a handful of babies that would have been aborted otherwise, even though we pay equal measure or more in the blood of the pregnant people that we let die on the operating table because there is no difference between in danger of dying and actually dying. These people really think the lives of healthy existing people are a worthy sacrifice to write into law on the off chance it saves a few potential people, even though we have seen that in other countries, anti-abortion laws don't decrease the rates of abortion. They just increase the rates of more dangerous forms of abortions. And let's not forget that these same people are against contraceptives, which are the biggest cause behind declining abortion rates because they either believe that preventing a sperm from meeting an egg is equivalent to abortion/getting in the way of God's plan or they believe that contraceptives give sinful people a "consequence-free" way to sin by... having sex for pleasure and enjoying sex without the looming threat of dying to a literal human parasite. Yes I have literally seen people argue that it's immoral to use contraceptives when having sex because if you remove an unwanted consequence of having sex (i.e. the pregnancy) then that's a bad thing. But "definitely not because of religious reasons." no, no. It's because the "purpose of sex is to make a baby." As if the purpose of sex cannot be anything else. Literally these people just want to feel better and holier than thou for their choice to remain celibate or something. You can literally paint these people a utopia where there's a reversible procedure or pill that prevents pregnancy 100% of the time with no error by preventing the sperm from ever meeting the egg. For this purpose let's just imagine a flawless condom. Something external and reversible that causes no pain, discomfort or side effects. These people will still call you immoral for using that during sex because to their mind, you shouldn't be having sex if you don't want a baby. And furthermore, you shouldn't be having sex if you aren't willing to let the baby kill you if you get pregnant. Because abortion is bad. To them the only good way to not die to a baby is to simply never have sex. Anything else is "cheating." Anyway, all this rambling to say that the best case scenario is that these people are too stupid to think through the real consequences of their actions. But the worst case and more likely scenario is literally that they just want people who can get pregnant to either suffer and die or to stay locked in a tower with iron-toothed bear-trap style chastity belts and never ever have sex and just magically never get r*ped either. Because those are good prices to pay as long as at least one hypothetical fetus that might have been aborted is forced to be carried to term to suffer on this roasting planet with the rest of us, I guess.

[@AzureGreatheart]

5:28 Cool fucking bio. “Obey God ???? Tyrants” Did he put any thought at all into whether his pfp would block context and make him look slightly more insane than he actually is? He’s clearly unhinged, considering his arguments, but he’s actually coherent, unlike what the screenshot of his bio suggests.

[@missinterpretation4984]

It’s interesting that when asked about doctors he’s like oh yeah them too but continues to only mention arresting and punishing women. I grew up conservative and that was one of the first things that started to make me uncomfortable. They never talk about the doctors or punishing the men who get women or girls pregnant. It’s always only women, women, women. And minor women 🤢

[@TheNerevahkiin]

These aren’t even people at this point, they’re just monsters

[@theorangeninja6486]

i see we're dropping the "adult" part of the "adult human female" definition of woman

[@SpecialBlanket]

just like to chime in-- anyone who thinks "trans men could get pregnant" is some kind of wild hypothetical-- my completely passing, people-have-argued-about-whether-he's-even-trans ftm partner is pregnant right now :) it's a real thing, it just isn't talked about very much bc of the stigma.

[@ButterMllk]

congrats :3 I wish the best for u and ur partner(⁠✿⁠^⁠‿⁠^⁠)

[@delmattia96]

Good luck! It may not be talked much, but I was surprised to hear that there is actually a "The Good Doctor" episode dealing pretty respectfully with the topic! Lily Simpson made a video about it. Wishing your family all the best!

[@violetsparkles5453]

Didn’t realize there was a stigma. Congrats on your new chapter in life!

[@DrHotWarLove]

Congratulations, you just triggered a civil war premonition.

[@heated817]

Did you know not having sex is actually an abortion

[@fl00fydragon]

The use of the term "minor woman" shows all you need to know what "conservative christian morality" is.

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

Age of consent is a liberal plot to them. After all, the Bible says women and girls are property.

[@n3wbury]

"Your piss is human." - Vaush, 2024

[@jimmmybacon9043]

Life starts in the balls

[@liesalllies]

That's why he's says this at 2:55

[@preciousmourning8310]

Washing jizz sheets should be illegal!!!

[@DannyDeee]

Remember, these are the same kind of people who gave us 1000 years of The Dark Ages. Never forget that.

[@The_Modern_Medusa]

As a woman, if I lived in America and I couldnt leave my state I would consider getting a hysterectomy, to avoid getting murder charge from reproductive health related bodily functions. Women should sign a commitment to not having sex with men should this law come in, so thst they won't be fertilised and face these charges if the miscarry. Then the men would change the law.

[@AFrickinDwarf]

You have to get your husband to sign off on it if you want a hysterectomy. Most doctors make it very very difficult to get one.

[@preciousmourning8310]

Another good option would be a form of long-acting birth control like an arm implant or IUD. They have a very high efficacy rate because it eliminates the potential for human error like missing a dose of birth control. Hysterectomies seem to increase dementia rates when you get older, even when you're otherwise healthy.

[@PinkBlue_Spood]

It’s extremely difficult to get a hysterectomy in the US. It’s taken me 10 years to finally get approved for my total hysterectomy (I’m actually getting it April 11th, lol), at age 23, when my reproductive organs are severely deformed and do not function properly, to the point that it’s failing my ovaries and causing 10 years of unbearable and worsening symptoms. And I was infertile from the start, so, it’s even more difficult for a healthy fertile person to get one.

[@vidyagaems4063]

"Spawning pool that is the womb of a woman needs (...) climate" - spawning pool is built on creep.

[@MrMerve-tl9my]

Christians don’t try and enact religious law challenge: IMPOSSIBLE

[@enbyrogue3740]

So what happens to people who have already had an abortion? There is no statute of limitation on murder, so we just arrest anyone who has ever had an abortion?

[@monolith834]

You can't criminalize something ex post facto. Abortion should be legal, but even if its banned completely, if an abortion happened before its criminalization, it wouldn't be a crime as it wasn't a crime at the time it happened.

[@enbyrogue3740]

@@monolith834 Does this apply even if they don't necessarily write in that abortion is the crime, but that it is considered murder 1?

[@monolith834]

​@@enbyrogue3740 Unless they remove the constitutional prohibition on ex post facto laws, it would. Those prohibitions are Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3, and Article 1 Section 10, depending on whether you're talking State or Federal.

[@badinga508]

"Preborn" We are getting into some dune shit now

[@leparfumdugrosboss4216]

7:13 - "the statistics are not accurate" - "no, they are" - "I mean, they're inaccurate in a way that serves our narrative" - "Ah, okay" 😅

[@violetsparkles5453]

Being a Republican or conservative woman, is the absolute most pick-me energy ever

[@taylorbarnhart9882]

this is always my copy and paste argument If I needed a kidney, and you are the only person in the world who is a compatible donor. You should not go to jail for denying me a part of YOUR body just because it could save me

[@superpancake4872]

Just call them forced birthers, that’s what I call them

[@sudazima]

can we make bets on whether hes had his mistress get an abortion?

[@forgetfuldullahan5468]

Wanna bet if we forced him to be pregnant he wouldnt trynto abort it?

[@MrMerve-tl9my]

@@forgetfuldullahan5468 MPREG 🤤🤤😏🤤🥵🥵

[@harvesterofeyes8813]

Put the over/under at 1.9

[@jrsydvl7218]

That's a sucker bet. Didn't you know all Republicans are closeted gay men?

[@christopherjustice6411]

At some point we’re gonna have to deal with these people.

[@ViniSocramSaint]

We already have to, since they already are doing moves, already are getting violent and have been for decades. But most people, even in the left, are striving to be moderates, so they won't do a single thing, just keep talking about, exploring conundrums and analizing the subject that we got down ages ago, striving to follow common sense and "wisdom sayings" to the letter, and striving to not be precipitated and make a move... forever... and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever...and ever... and ever... And if you are thinking of doing anything, it probably involves fighting, being loud, thinking bad things about people that you call enemies, calling things other people do "wrong" or "bad" and taking away their freedom to do it, making them stop, and just generally "doing something". And all of that means you are being an EXTREMIST. All the moderates will silence and do violence to you while pretending nothing happened and justifying you are the one that are wrong, because you are the extremist.

[@wigglybacon2250]

So much for “adult human female”

[@michaeldew7904]

The irony of the "Choice" cup at this is pure ecstasy.

[@stotab8700]

back when I was a christian, my parents told me insane lies that I believed uncritically. "Science proves that life begins at conception" nope. "People who are 'pro-choice' are actually just pro-abortion" false, pro-choicers don't view abortion as a good thing, but as a necessary evil there are 3 facts that turned me from pro-life to the ACTUAL pro-life side (pro-choice) 1) most abortions take place before there is a heartbeat. Most other abortions occur because the pregnancy is non-viable 2) bodily autonomy is an existing medical concept. Nobody can force you to give your kidney to someone else, even if you're the only match. Pregnancy is an almost identical scenario to that 3) banning abortion wouldn't reduce abortions as much as better sex education would. Banning abortion would lead to unrecorded abortions that we can't track, so it's best to keep it legal We are the TRUE pro-life.

[@stotab8700]

I should add that there are issues with our current system (such as the fact that it disproportionately targets lower-class people, particularly black people), but the solution to those issues will NEVER be found in any pro-life argument.

[@Iwillreply]

Life is an ongoing process; it's the form and composition that "changes".

[@stotab8700]

@@Iwillreply yeah it's impossible to pinpoint where life "begins", because stuff like this always works on a gradient

[@arcanineryu]

the forced birthers are almost never actually concerned with the life of the mother or the fetus, and boy howdy does it show in their actions and their goals. like it is always the stick and never the carrot with these people. like it should go without saying that there are plenty of women out there who would be willing to keep a unplanned pregnancy for the right price. like healthcare, recompense for lost wages, and an actually trustworthy and well funded foster care system. but they always seem to go out of their way to deny these as options. which betrays the real motivations of most of the movement. they aren't afraid of the death of the fetus or the mother, they're afraid of the price tag it would take to get the mother to agree to it willingly. They're afraid of having to pay to get something they used to get for free. They're afraid of turning who they think deserve to be slaves into something more resembling employees. like there are two forms of legal slavery in america. One is the draft, and the other is as punishment for a crime. and it is so telling how they always pick "let's make pregnancy a crime punished by 9 months of unpaid labor" over "if this is a necessary service which puts their life at risk but which we need them to perform for the good of the country, lets make sure they're compensated for it."

[@pheebster]

yes i watched the whole video

[@zephyr8072]

Why must you turn this place into a HOUSE OF LIES?

[@GreyRock100]

We out here in the Vaush Pit..

[@leparfumdugrosboss4216]

Nothing yells "true Texas" like a fringe organization without majority support 😂

[@Melggart]

So, I was seeing a podcast talking about the issue of abortion in Oklahoma. That causes economic problems, as even when they try to slash the taxes as much as possible they still can't attract companies, as the companies don't go there because the educated specialist workers won't live there as raising a family with terrible women health access and education is not attractive for them. Banning abortion trickles down making every women health treatment worse and making good doctors move away. Good female teaches move away, making the education system go in a downward spiral. Anyone with a choice raises their family somewhere else.

[@fairybliss7772]

They saw the Handmaid’s tale and are using it as a playbook