The Problem with Batman, He Isnt Allowed To Change

[@comicstorian]

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[@kingshadow8782]

Happy Friday Benny.

[@kingshadow8782]

Wonderful l

[@coldsnyder3343]

I'm sorry Ben but I don't quite agree with this video especially on chip

[@terrance1988]

I'm so ready for you to do blood hunt comics I'm really excited about it can you give me a heart back if your are excited too

[@CloneCommanderQutibahAlFarouqi]

Wait What? 😮

[@bgvo4373]

Yeah. He keeps getting more children who grow up, but he can’t be 40 ever. He also can never deal with his trauma effectively:

[@yarc9]

Comic book characters they never age

[@PeterTennant]

He's 51 in the 26 years of history from 25 when he started (with 85 years of stories in those 26 years of Continuity of DC

[@fiber2848]

Also he can’t settle down with one woman. Looking at you Batcat wedding

[@Havoc-g7v]

That's funny me and my buddies talk about that. Night wings an adult has to be in his 30s Barbara Gordon Jason ToddTim Drake's is an adult now Damien might be a teenager now. I know they put out a comic here or there to correct these discrepancies but it's still funny. Batmans will forever be 35 it's just a comic

[@CouchCit]

@@yarc9 No they age-up young characters plenty of times. The problem is they never want to evolve characters past their [monetary] prime unless it can be presented as an "alternate" instance...or unless such changes prove to be more popular/profitable. Same thing with character deaths. For comic publications, doing so is synonymous with self-destruction.

[@thedarkknight727]

I been hating how often they have been writing out our boy, Batman as a cynical asshole nowadays. 😡

[@Synical02]

He has been since injustice He has been since Damian has been introduced they won't let the character mature and overcome his trauma so he keeps doing the same shit, with the same Slippery Slope fallacy mentality. Batman potential of Growth was shown in Beyond He's needs to be there

[@Jjcbgoat]

Dc doesn’t allow their characters to develop

[@Trex40385]

They've been doing this since the Jason Todd incident (one of the worst creative decisions I've ever seen)

[@matthewschwartz6607]

You mean his death, or bringing him back?

[@GeorgianAnduin]

Yeah, it's like he's not permitted to evolve into the light..

[@Guss-TR]

Remember when batman used to actually be a detective instead of a guy with tons of gadgets?

[@TheOtakuKat]

Nope. 🤣

[@maadtee6281]

When was that like he had shark spray back in the days

[@schizophrenic_rambler]

​​@@maadtee6281you still have to admit it's gone mental. We have like a dozen evil batmans, murder robots, 3 jokers, cosmic Lovecraft gods. Hell, there is even a "magical catboi". Eugh.

[@memesenpai506]

Your kidding right? Batman is still a amazing detective in the comics

[@schizophrenic_rambler]

@@maadtee6281 I fail to see the connection your reply has to what I've written

[@TevyaSmolka]

I am still surprised DC actually committed to Alfred being dead this entire time mostly because if there's one bat family member who's super important to Bruce Wayne as a whole it would be Alfred pennyworth.

[@2301WAYNE]

People still say Batman has not suffered that much and has his Bat-Family, those people have never read Batman comic books!

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@2301WAYNE yeah that makes no sense to me because we've seen batman suffered enough way to many times to the point that i am just tired and want to see batman be happy.

[@johnthai6188]

@@TevyaSmolka i mean you already have the "happy" batman, it's Batman and Robin by Williamson. there are THREE BATMAN RUNS at the moment with 3 different types of stories. the one that you want already exist. i guess EVERYONE FORGOT, that batman has more than 1 run right now.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@johnthai6188 that’s true and you’re right about that

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

That’s an issue with pretty much all comic book characters. When’s the last time Superman changed? When’s the last time Spider-Man changed? I’m talking the main mainstream versions.

[@damgful]

That's why I felt like I was wasting my time when I was reading Mainstream Comics. Nothing ever changed, status Quo was king. Krakoa and the X-Men was one of the only blessings at that time, for me.

[@cancerstinks1]

Last time Spider-Man changed was 2013 with Superior Spider-Man. And it was IMO the best Spider-Man run in the 21st century

[@dominiqueodom3099]

​@@damgfulI gotta agree with you on the Krakoa Arc of Xmen. That was the shot in the arm in the Xmen have needed since Scarlett witch's infamous M-day incident over a decade before hand. I went from being only an Wolverine fan,into a Massive Fan of cyclops and the unification of Mutantkind.

[@issy785]

superman a punk

[@trasegorsuch5140]

What are the “mainstream” versions?????

[@rotimigbadebo9609]

My opinion.... Batman can be static......but modern authors keep breaking the status quo and deconstructing the character. At the heart of the character batman is the expert dectective consultant...the guy who the commissioner calls to handle difficult/insane cases. As long as you have a good status quo you can tell stories for years with just that. So stop the deconstructions, find a stable status quo for the character and let the character be the best he can be.

[@faith4657]

But even status quo literally become stale overtime, sure they last long but they become too much. Ex spiderman always suffering or struggling with something l, that's his status quo, and for superheros never changing or growing is their status quo. All this can become overbearing.

[@Synical02]

Batman becoming Static is problematic It effects how he interacts with others It allows others around him to get hurt while he stays mostly apathetic. It allows these overly complicated stories to keep going Batman needs to overcome his trauma and move on. He's reject fatherhood, Marriage, friendship and Happiness in general for too long and it's conflicting the comics.

[@rotimigbadebo9609]

@@Synical02 To an extent these issues appear cuz of excessive decinstruction. Batman being a crazy person, gotham being a hellscape, the batfamily infighting.....are all deconstructions that have to me....damaged batman. At the heart of his stories I at least come to see batman solve crimes that the police aren't equipped to handle....be it serial killers, alien thieves or even magic conmen. This is what's important. Yeah him having personal issues and such is spice to the story...but they shouldn't overcome the point of batman. solving crimes.

[@rotimigbadebo9609]

@@faith4657 It's the curse of long runners. As long as we want Batman to exist.....conversely the less he can change. why? As a product he has to be familiar to the casual and backslidden fans who pop in from time to time....for parents who want to introduce their children to the character and to be a stable source for adaptations going forward. Having these characters be able to evolve and change means that they inevitably die. Their stories would have to end and the universe gets rebooted once again.

[@faith4657]

@@rotimigbadebo9609 but isn't that a good thing, cause it means the world doesn't stay stagnant, it can grow change new heroes can emerge being inspired by the old and batman can and all the og heroes can finally retire rest we can get that batman beyond it would be really cool to see a transition from the modern they to the future and we get into stories like the 31th century of you don't know, I'm like being very happy if this happens. The batman everyone knows is still there but with new traits and addional lore.

[@erikthered25]

I stopped reading comic books regularly about a decade ago, but I can't believe that DC is still refusing to put recaps in their comicbook. Lol. Especially for a storyline that's pulling from eight years of comic booklore. Insanity. Then they wonder why people wait for the trade paperbacks/hardcover lol

[@detective___mcnulty]

Couldn't agree with you more. Very annoying.

[@Gregory11811]

I wonder if putting recaps into comics would take away from ad space or the content of the story.

[@TchompTeam]

Hear me out? A batman that's overcome his trauma by realizing the value and happiness of the family he has would be wonderful and would give us so much opportunity for adventure and story.

[@daltonfuller1325]

This is why LEGO Batman rocked

[@Enimorj]

The best comic that will ever happen

[@MrWolfchamp-xi3cu]

He doesn't realize it?

[@Synical02]

Yea but that can't happen

[@TactlessC]

That almost exists in Bat Family Adventures but even there he's not allowed to actually marry Selena. It's kinda fucked up.

[@tonypham6128]

R.I.P Benny thanks for everything

[@LostScarf]

End of video. Ya know...I've been following batman and knew all this, but hearing it all summarized...it sounds so dang unhinged.

[@misterblakk3690]

I think the biggest issue with changing Batman is that there are always at least 3 different Batman titles, along with usually having appearances in other books. I think if you could just go "Here, you wanna know whats up with batman, just read Batman", that would be a lot easier to know whats going on. Like any manga has the same kind of changes throughout, but its one book that tells the whole story. The problem with changing Batman, to me, is that you need to figure out how to follow his story through 4 or 5 different storylines running at all times and if you're jumping in....good luck figuring all that out lol

[@temmaxtemma9570]

That's not Batman's problem. That's the problem with big corporations on handling their IPs.

[@calibvr]

your pfp is super nostalgic i miss it

[@thedarkknight727]

Before SSKTJL, Arkham Batman was to ME, peak Batman developed and at the same time within character. That’s what Batman is supposed to be.

[@amateur-madman3047]

The no killing thing has always caused more problems than it has solved. Idk why comic writers keep trying to preach that if you kill the guy who’s trying to kill your mom that makes you a bad person because you couldn’t think on the fly of a way to keep the murderer safe. It’s stupid bullshit and it has always made most people dislike comics. They’re naive and their messages should be more realistic and less likely to get an inspired person killed because they tried to save lives the Batman way. By being as lenient as possible with the mass murderers he encounters every single week. Sacrificing thousands of lives in an attempt to rehabilitate someone who only kills more every time you try. The people of Gotham he’s SUPPOSED to be “protecting” are less protected than the villains.

[@RoninTheLightSkin]

Idk man, my biggest nitpick with that Batman is how much an emotion less asshole he is to his family, I don’t like how emotionless he is with Night-wing and Robin, I always wished that when he was around them he was a lot more lighthearted (in a Batman sense) when around and talking to them cause those are his sons

[@jlev1028]

I would argue DCAU Batman is the quintessential version. He actually shows compassion and humor and doesn't constantly act cold and distant.

[@MutantsInDisguise]

​@@amateur-madman3047you surely are a Snyder parasite.

[@thedarkknight727]

@@amateur-madman3047: In REAL LIFE, the NO KILL RULE actually works though. People like The Joker are levels of Evil you only find in comics, as far as I know.

[@Tom2rules]

Honestly, why doesn't DC do the little recaps in the front of their books like Marvel does? I can't see any real reason not to do it. It would make things so less confusing for readers to pick up books with zero context of whats going on. It would be easy to just give a paragraph or two, briefly describe whats going on, and there. You're more or less caught up.

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

Batman would be great if he was allowed to be a proper mentor.

[@andrewpowers2249]

This reminds me why I love and don't like comics. You're summary was so interesting, and that was so much better story than we get on tv or movies. But also, I'm sticking around 8 years, for monthly, tiny snippets of story. I wish there was an in between, where we could get something that intriguing, more than in a summary, but not taking so long for it.

[@foxhound9780]

Kinda why his supporting characters are more interesting because less people are paying attention so you see more creative swings.

[@Hadeks_Marow]

I feel like this video was made out of my request about "Repeating plotpoints" and if so, I appreciate that. Hell, I appreciate it even if it wasn't, so thank you CS.

[@OmniDan26]

ego

[@Hadeks_Marow]

@@OmniDan26 Nah, more like gratitude. The difference is "this video was done because of me" vs "this video is for me", even if just on a cosmic sense.

[@jeffjeff-nu7jt]

the main problem with comic books is the a story can span to different books and you have to buy that book just to know the rest of the story it's like a jigsaw puzzle you have to get all the pieces to get the full picture but you have to buy each pieces(book title) individually just to finish the picture, what worse is that some piece are cut(retcon) by the store owner(comic book publishers) for it not to fit in that puzzle leaving you with a piece that is part of the picture but also not. sorry for the long comment.

[@JeannieLove]

I didn't realize comics were so convoluted

[@mttylerdurden9]

It's really just marvel and DC

[@AstraFulminous]

It's not that hard to follow at all, like I manga all the time that have more threads than this.

[@rockonpurification]

This is why I shifted to manga.

[@mttylerdurden9]

@@rockonpurification how about Indie comics?

[@rockonpurification]

​@@mttylerdurden9 huh, I usually go for the mainstream ones that I seldom paid any attention to indie comics. You perk my curiosity to start reading them.

[@DoughnutDragon]

I don't care for the storyline with catwoman and the bat family condoning non violent crime. Like catwoman makes sense but nightwing and the rest of the bat family (except jason todd) doesn't make sense to be going along with it. It's so out of character and i hate it. For me i just pick and choose the parts i consider cannon. Things are much more enjoyable when you focus only on the parts you actually like.

[@AeroZephron]

Batman doesn't need to change. DC editorial does. They have at least a dozen Bat-related characters. What happened to his war on crime? I kinda wish they'd just reboot him again back to year 1, because right now I feel like things are in the weeds.

[@waluigitheplumber5355]

I wouldn’t want for them to get rid of the batfam because it’s been shown that said batfam helps keep Bruce stable. Also Cassandra Cain is an amazing character and if they reset him to year 1 we’d have to wait until Tim for her to possibly show up again

[@AeroZephron]

@@waluigitheplumber5355 Yeah I agree with you, It's just that reading World's Finest sure makes you nostalgic for that era of Batman.

[@KyubiCloaks]

Its an issue with pretty much every main comic character. They can't change much and their villains always have to get away and come back and for some reason never get a death penalty just locked away to break out again. Jason was right

[@Tzuseiji]

This is why I gravitated toward Terry almost 2 decades ago. Growth is essential in life. If you're stuck at the same place for too long, it's a key indicator you've failed yourself. And everyone around you will suffer that.

[@windghost2]

Just look at Peter Parker and it's the same thing. At least Miles has been growing, learning and changing for the last 8 years since coming to 616.

[@shadesmcf]

I guess it is difficult to have major changes to batman. Like alfreds been dead and bruce lost the manor and everything for a long time. But like when you ask someone what batmans all about, they would say hes the super with the power of money to prep for anything and pull out like a deus ex machina for anything and hes got his trusty butler at his side, Someone who hasnt read batman in a while or only played the games would just put it as bad writing or too weird and convoluted. A blurb would be nice, instead of "oh yeah i did this and this" while in a conversation. I wonder if jason will take out failsafe and be the ultimate batman with guns and damian taking his side.

[@bountyhunter64]

R.I.P 😢

[@HDDiletti1911]

Remember when we went into the zurrenar cave and didn't it have a a robin costume on display? i think zurrenar is planning to turn the bat-family into the zurr-family

[@matthewschwartz6607]

That was a pretty concise rundown of the last few years . Thanks.

[@jasper1772]

I knew Benny would be talking about batman soon lol

[@LostScarf]

Start of video, I love batman and I really wish he'd move on at somepoint already. Let's get Batman and Catwoman married for real already. He's always been a family man, lets make it for real already.

[@CouchCit]

Sounds like the real problem is DC Comics not having recaps in the front of their books, and also not knowing how to adequately identify and communicate their main continuity to their fanbase. But TBH I don't know how to properly manage a fictional character who's become this popular over this long a time....at least not while also keeping some sense of ongoing continuity and existence while maintaining popularity. Seems like a bit of a conundrum: They want the character to be eternal but also want him to grow. Can't have it both ways though.

[@leonarddement3432]

Jim Lee said a long time ago that there was not going to be any major reboots. Hence why Batman has not changed since the new 52

[@fireisawesome1466]

Hot take: batman as character they have reached their limitations, you can't expect Hercules(Greek hero) to talk about power of cinema like in life is beautiful.

[@yarc9]

Hercules sucked

[@rotimigbadebo9609]

Fair enough. That might be true. These characters are at least two generations old....certain elements don't quite work as well as they used to.

[@yarc9]

Hercules sucks

[@redhoodie4111]

Hot take? That was barely a coherent sentence.

[@essentialasa]

This is wild. I was watching your videos to get caught up with the story and I was saying this same thing.

[@souviksikdar1864]

Let's have batman not be eternally rich. Rich but not the richest. Smart but not Mobius without a chair. Not having learned all martial arts in 2 years. Let him meet a new villian that forces him to learn a new skill to overcome that challenge, but that leads to him paying lesser attention to his company, leading to a struggle of power, etc. There are so many genres that can be explored with just this approach. Batman is too overpowered to grow as a character.

[@kevinsuarez8949]

Honestly (yeah this could be a hot take) Batman hasn't had a biggest character development since the 90s, stories like Bruce Wayne Murderer and Fugitive, Tower of Babel, Omac Project, etc. Are modern Batman character arcs that were already made in Knightfall, No Man's Land, etc. And honestly Batman doesn't need a biggest change like being now the bad guy of DC (also that it will be against what Batman represents, you can made the anti-Batmen like Owlman, AzBat, Prometheus, Batman Who Laughs, now Zur-En-Arrh Failsafe, etc. Because those characters were created for that purpose, but not the prime Batman), Batman could develop more with his interactions with his family (like what is happening in Batman and Robin, in Nightwing, one day with Tim, maybe he can reconciliace again with Jason and possible DC remembers that Cass is also his adoptive daughter, so they could have interactions again) or another heroes. Batman is in his prime when he's a detective resolving crimes and combating his villains, but that external conflict is also that affects him very personaly. I think the main problem with Zdarsky's run is that this odyssey that we're reading doesn't feel completely like a Batman's story because the story is focused in changing and fixing the status quo for Batman and answering a lot of questions like the three Jokers or the Batman's contingency plan, maybe in the future his mansion, money and possibly Alfred will come back. But the main Batman's tropes are missing a lot here, specially now.

[@johnthai6188]

funny how people want things like the mansion, bruce's money and alfred to return, but all that just does is give leeway to batman's character NEVER CHANGING.

[@lukebaldock4672]

I prefer 1970s batman. He was in his mid forties, not the best fighter in the world, just a brawler. He wasn't as obsessed, just believed in justice.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Hard agree

[@BrandontheAwesome]

Based!

[@The_Phantasm]

Wow, you really did have this one in the cooker huh.

[@flowbot159]

This is exactly what was going on in the Superman books during Doomsday/Funeral for a Friend/Reign of the Supermen. The Justice League was Guy, Fire, Ice, and Bloodwyn. Supergirl was a metamorph working for Lex. Luthor was young and spry pretending to be his own son. And the Cyborg Superman's secret origin was a Mr. Fantastic knock off villain of the week. I was given very little to go on, but the story grabbed me and I rolled with the punches and filled in the gaps on my own. What's wrong with that?

[@detective___mcnulty]

I really wish Selina and Bruce were married. The writers suck.

[@Kazuma11290]

How to write a good plot: Take 1 aspect of your protagonist, and either make a villain to counter it; Stoicism countered by Joker, sobriety countered by Bane, Pacifism countered by Red Hood, etc. Or better yet, make a villain equal to an aspect; Cold calculation becomes Mr.Freeze, dual personalities becomes Two-Face. Fear tactics becomes Scarecrow. Yada yada. Recent plots.... nothing worth talking about. Just disconnected tropes like multiverses & robot doppelgangers, or repetition like even more split personalities & another dead parent.

[@jrr2480]

I agree 👍 that this plot is too confusing and convoluted. Though, the evil Batman 🦇 robot 🤖 has been done in a old episode of Batman the Animated series. I hope some of the ideas from the show come into play in this comic.

[@DrWaffle0112]

I must be missing something because how exactly did Batman lose the bat-family’s trust?

[@pian-0g445]

One of the things I’ve always been surprised the comic industry (mostly looking at DC and Marvel) is that they keep one large continuity between not only multiple characters and eras, but writers, even within the same series. This leads to so many issues where any development from one writer isn’t followed through or basically retconned. While I would like things to be done with indie series or other visual stories like manga or webtoons, where there’s one writer, they probably won’t ever change their overall structure. But what they could do to adapt their style is make it like a tv series, where you have a writer/writers that write the whole story, but multiple people throughout actually make it. Like each episode in a show is directed by someone different in Mandolarian for example. That could be done for Spider-Man. Someone writes the overall story, and throughout it, different artist and writers take over to adapt it

[@macggnore]

Are you being serious? Nolan's trilogy, the Arkham series, the Suicide Squad game, Batfleck, and Battinson are drastically different interpretations of the character.

[@nognit]

It’s a paradox. How much change can fans tolerate before they start clamoring for what came before? Yes, the onus is on the writers to get creative (which is easier said than done) but Batman fans can get pretty rabid as well. So we get changes to the Bat mythos which end up changing Batman himself only tangentially but may be big for the mythos at large. That way, the mythos grows but Batman stays unchanged. At least, we get a new Batsuit and symbol every few years. Kind of same for Superman.

[@renzo8083]

This is too much 😭😭😭😭

[@renzo8083]

like i got lost when jason started getting involved

[@colbyhurst9457]

I just want a new batman #1 that can take it slow, spend a while on his own, find Dick, and slowly go through a story.

[@yellowbones]

The problem with Batman is writers just can not let him "lose" at all. Also, the "mission" does not make any sense anymore, it hasn't for a long time. That's why everything just becomes so tiring. Writers can't ever write Bruce overcoming his trauma, getting over his mission, seeing beyond the mission, and accepting that there are better ways

[@windghost2]

I just want him to be happy...

[@johnthai6188]

@@windghost2 i don't get this argument, happy batman already exist RIGHT NOW: it's called batman and robin by williamson. hell we have 3 different batman runs with 3 different characterization/stories. if you don't want the sad batman story, which i would argue that detective and maybe Zdarsky is that, you can read happy batman right now in continuity.

[@windghost2]

@@johnthai6188Batman and Robin is that good? Then I'll check it out. But I was saying that in context to the OP's comment, specifically at the end, "Writers can't ever write Bruce overcoming his trauma, getting over his mission, seeing beyond the mission, and accepting that there are better ways" that's why I said I wanted him to be happy.

[@johnthai6188]

@@windghost2 which i'm arguing, that we already have. it's just that some fans in this comment section don't read other batman runs, but just the mainline. you know what's interesting? people keep on saying batman is oversaturated in comics, but all that just means is you have more options of the batman stories that YOU WANT, than having the batman stories you don't.

[@windghost2]

@@johnthai6188Alright you make great points and your right, people don't read Batman runs, myself included. Because I didn't like how Gotham War went and it didn't make me happy to see the results of it. And I wasn't interested in Batman and Robin at the time because I've been reading Miles Morales and I've been sticking with with that for about a year and 3 months now (and other mini series on the side) so I do need to expand my comics collection.

[@dominiqueodom3099]

I truly think the biggest Wasted Opportunity in Batman's Lore was not keeping The Red Hood as a Bad guy. Listen,i love Jason Todd's red hood. He is my favorite Batfamily member. But i truly think the Under The Hood movie is the Greatest example of a Villian that could be created to Truly evolve Batman. A villian that challenged Batman's no Killing rule,his Obsession with the Joker,and his No killing rule being turned into a legitimate weakness in Batman's character when it comes to the Criminals he lets live in the wake of their Massive Collateral Damage.

[@maadtee6281]

He is fine being similar to punisher

[@dominiqueodom3099]

@@maadtee6281 I disagree on the Punisher comparison. The punisher would kill literally anyone associated with Criminals. Red hood would take out the very worst of the criminals that Batman refuses to put down like the Joker.

[@maadtee6281]

@@dominiqueodom3099 the punisher actually doesn't do that he takes out certain criminals but leaves those that can reduce crime. Redhood as actually taken joker many times but joker is a roach

[@supereldinho]

The unchanging nature of comics is precisely why I've switched over to manga because at least there the story has a definitive and conclusive end -- most of the time anyway. I don't care about unchanging characters in unchanging worlds duking it out for one contrived reason after another.

[@juwanpompey227]

I’m huge Batman fan but finally someone who cares about good storytelling is addressing this 🙌🏾

[@crispkiller6701]

RIP MY BOI TORIYAMA

[@JakeTylenol]

Brother I get it he died, but we ain’t even here for all that. Like rest in peace to my boy, legendary manga guy. I get it. But like I’m sorry, like do we have to go to every video, every post that has nothing to do with him just to bring it up?

[@faith4657]

Wait toriyama, the writer to DragonBall he passed?

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@faith4657 yeah he passed way on march 1st this year.

[@faith4657]

@@TevyaSmolka dang, I didn't even why is it so many famous people are going away.

[@crispkiller6701]

@@JakeTylenol I just want to spread awareness of the goat.

[@JonahFinch-li7zn]

Superheroes are meant to be WHO they are no matter how old they get. The dark knight returns is a perfect example of this Batman is his purpose

[@aneru9396]

This makes me appreciate the series we got which took us on a journey of old timey batman passing on the mantel.

[@vullord666]

I miss the golden age Batman actually being allowed to heal and retire. Edit: I'll keep saying it. But this vs Superior Ironman really shows DC's fear in doing something different with Bruce. They'll screw up everything around his life, but aren't allowed to just make changes with Bruce himself. I find it hilarious they originally did the new 52 to make comics "easy to get into" and yet here we are.

[@johnthai6188]

what are you trying to compare with superior iron man?

[@lesterwilliamsjr649]

You know what we need a video who is more overused Batman or Spiderman. I know someone will say Spiderman is easily overused but let's really think about this. There are a lot of animated and live action Batman movies and there muliple shows where a Batman related character is the star. Does anyone remember Batman's car got its own series?

[@dominiqueodom3099]

That's the issue. They either focus on Batman only, or on aspects of Batman no one asked for instead of giving us a true next Gen version of the Batfamily. Legitimately one of the most famous Teams in DC history and the fact that Nightwing is primarily only known his butt as opposed to being the guy to take Bruce Wayne's place on the Justice league. Don't get me started on that Batgirl movie that got canceled. And I say the worst of them all was the dumb ass show called Gotham. This show so badly feels like they want to do a Young Bruce Wayne/ Batman Origin Story but they want to cram in all of the famous faces like Joker and penguin before Batman ever is supposed to appear.

[@undary0u]

It's easily batman spider-man gets used alot but batman gets so used that popular characters like superman ,flash ,wonder women ,Gl never get anything

[@piekark9951]

growing up with the modern stoic batman, going back to watch the ats was a breathe of fresh air. Their is a whole other layer that recent batman refuse to acknowledge. Im not saying for it to be campy but allow batman to show more emotion

[@naz-lf7yo]

The problem is DC it self, the way they see batman as just a miserable human that has to fight life itself and without any help from anyone they don’t want a healthy character development because it won’t sell as much, the stories have to be about who can break the bat more, the comic world is just all over the place to the point where I can’t really understand a story (especially batman comics) without a comic odious like yours. Thank you for the video it was amazing

[@maadtee6281]

Thats why stopped mainstream comics always the status quo

[@noahbuddie]

Totally saw this coming.

[@Dc0sby]

Batman broke and its mean next to nothing. Batman has a fake hand and it mean next to nothing.

[@StarKaiser2]

THANK YOU! SOMEONE FINALLY GETS IT

[@callmejacob3234]

I mean Batman had a chance to be happy with Silver St. Cloud but DC killed her off. Why can't Batman and Spider-Man be happy? They deserve it dammit!

[@GeorgianAnduin]

"Batman can't change too drastically!" - that pretty much sums up everything wrong that is being given to us, but how about what we are asking? I see as the other part of the fault ourselves, "The Hand" that keeps asking and doesn't want to change the status quo. I think Batman doesn't evolve because we don't let it and it wouldn't sell otherwise.

[@obi0914]

Well.....I for one did not see that *My door gets kick in* THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

[@knightzix_01]

He has a Son now Biological Rather then his 3 Other adopted Sons he can change you just need to change the right things

[@wankawanka3053]

I swear if you didn't say that this was all one continuity i would have assumed that half of the events here happened to batman from different universes and continuities

[@Synical02]

Ive literally been saying this for years Ever since injustice and Damians Inception as a character Batmans flaws have been shining. The problem is they are trying to appease the general audience and story by keeping it the same They need to change and keep it. It's literally the SAME problem as spiderman These characters build up past their issues and trauma and build a life and people to mentor but they keep Resetting the DAMN STORY. PETER should be 35-40 And miles late teens maybe 20s I enjoy Robbie Reyes

[@windghost2]

I wish Miles was in his late teens or early to mid 20s by now, and Peter was finally a dad and pushing late 30s to early 40s. But we can't get that at all because people don't like change. And it's unfortunate that we still have to face OMD being in affect, because that's the reason why Peter's *still* stagnant at the moment. Because Peter has been regressing backwards and backwards for 17 years, Miles is the most affected by it because even though he's been learning, growing and changing as a person in his 616 runs (especially Ziglar at the moment) he won't be able to advance any further because of Peter shortcomings. Peter needs to start progressing as a character again, so both him and Miles can be amazing together, and so Marvel can finally stop putting Peter in a box where he has to suffer for no reason or just be a dick and get away with it.

[@johnthai6188]

@@windghost2 😩marvel and dc tried to retire their characters to have new characters take up the mantel. but you know what happened when they did, FANS HATED IT and wanted the old characters again.

[@windghost2]

@@johnthai6188Like Dick Grayson when he became Batman? I honestly believe that Miles *will* become the Wally West of this generation and he really has in a lot of ways. But I mean this for the comics, he's been growing and self reflecting a lot in his recent run and it's been great to see him get amazing character development. But I feel like the only way Peter can retire is if we see him grow up, become a dad, have one last fight with Norman and realize that being Spider-Man will take time away from his family and then he'll pass it on to Miles fully. Like to me the reason Spider-Girl worked so well is because Peter was retired and had a legacy to leave behind in MayDay. We have that opportunity again in Miles, even better since he's still figuring stuff out himself and has a lot of room to grow and he can move Peter forward as a character. What I'm saying is that it's time for Peter to grow up again and go the Peter B. route and let Miles take over fully. But that's a big change for Spider-Man fans and it isn't something everyone will be happy with like you said, and I agree that a lot of people would be furious.

[@kingshadow8782]

Good Morning!

[@Hewylewis]

I feel like in comics and most cartoons, Batman just isn't allowed to be happy, and that just isn't fair.

[@Wolvie12100]

This is the overall problem with writing for modern superheroes. You can't veer away too far from the status quo. Any sort of changes will always have a chance of being retracted or written off or, in most cases, forgotten. Especially in cases where a character is written by multiple people that each have their own bottomlines for the characters. It's why comic book storylines in the main continuities are so inconsequential. Characters have to stay as they are no matter what.

[@rotimigbadebo9609]

But isn't this the curse of the long runners? Shorter comics have development, permanent change and payoffs because they end. Long runners by definition can't change. If you want Batman, Superman or wonderwoman to last, they can't change too much...or the product becomes too different.

[@Wolvie12100]

@@rotimigbadebo9609 Fully aware of that and honestly, it is what it is. It's still a problem and like you said, a curse, because it's more important for the brand to keep those heroes that way than not. It's a damn shame either way.

[@Aldgri]

Batman is literally what the directors of Spiderverse is against right now. Storywriters who don’t let their characters grow or change positively. Makes sense considering they originally were gonna make a Batman beyond movie which likely would’ve made Bruce change

[@mittensfastpaw]

Ya, it is a pain to keep track of it and honestly without people like you’d I’d be lost. So it sucks because I’ll never get the money or time to read it all. Sometimes I don’t mind though because I still think the Bane thing and Joker War were trash as a combined pair.

[@misterblakk3690]

I know it was a verbal stumble, but if Zur doesn't call his prison under Blackgate, "Batgate", is he really even a Batman?

[@zero1188]

Batman trauma is the reason why people love him. Its like saying why heroes dont permanently end villians. Its because if you get rid of the reason why people like the character they wont like them

[@daviddyster4145]

It's ok to say Batman has finally jumped the shark and needs a reboot?

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

yes he does

[@Jjcbgoat]

He already had a reboot

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

@@Jjcbgoat HE IS GETTING ONE ANYWAY SINCE DC IS REBOOTING YET AGAIN THIS YEAR

[@redflame2328]

​@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω your joking right 😑

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

@@redflame2328 No I'm not DC is rebooting again This year

[@jaceharrison7936]

Was interesting where Batman and Catwoman being married would have gone, but DC decided to pull out last minute and all that year long build up amounted to nothing.

[@zinv08]

That recap was so long that KZbin gave me another ad. Hahaha

[@TheOtakuKat]

Can they please drop the "War" in their titles because it seems like a Batman event can't be greenlight if it doesn't have word war in it.

[@MutantsInDisguise]

As much as Batman is my favorite suoerhero, his core message being turing your pain into something good for yourself and others, I don't want to have a life like his, completely consumed by an unachievable mission. This is why Grant Morrison's Batman remains my favorite Batman run story of all time, the story of a man who trascends physical, spiritual, and mental boundaries, taking down evil gods and work alongside mighty beings, but his story and battle are neverending, and, rather than cheer on, it's something to think about, because we're talking about a man who, despite turning his trauma into a force of good, he is obsessed with evil, like a fanatic.

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

it's going to be irrelevant soon anyway since DC IS REBOOTING AGAIN

[@Riley1]

Yep man. Predicted this all.

[@kntgaf]

damn I now realize by the time im 30 all my favorite comic book characters will be in thr same spot with little to no change

[@GunthersLoyalSoldier1307]

Batman hasn’t changed in freaking years! That’s what makes him so boring and repetitive, the guy has a son and his didn’t change either. He doesn’t even question his no kill rule! How many times does Gotham have to be taken over or one of his robins get killed before he realizes some lives have to be taken?

[@aludamin]

We’ve seen so many iterations of Batman and joker but has there ever been one where Batman just cripples joker from the neck down and joker is forced to find a new way to terrorize Gotham?

[@lewieanderson6579]

Batman and catwoman should've gotten married. He should've given up the cape & cowl for a quiet normal life and then come back after a year or two. Would've made for z different storyline.

[@dmamorpm7672]

I’m hoping to introduce my nephew to Batman (my favourite “super”hero) shortly. I’m kinda glad he’s the same Batman as I knew growing up; will make explaining him a lot easier (for me!) and hopefully allow us to enjoy the new material - though not 4 books at the same time- that’s mental, together. But I am sorry it doesn’t work for you. What I love about Bruce Wayne is though, that intransigence, it means we can hate the Jean-Paul Valley Batman, and root for him (Bruce) when we get a battle for the cowl in Knightfall etc.

[@soulweaponx6644]

I feel Batman is who he is. Making changes to his character would be making him someone else. It is like how Twilight attempted to take the Dracula lore into a different direction by making the vampires be able to come out during the day but they glow instead of explode into ash. At that point, I considered them to be more like dark fairies then vampires. Batman should always be rich and a vigilante by night. If he kills vs not kill that is fine because the creators made that change during their life cycle but to go beyond that isn't Batman anymore or how Bill and Bob intended.

[@Prince__Teclis]

Not really part of this whole Batman thing, but the trope of Vampires being killed by sunlight wasn't original Dracula Lore at all and was in fact something first done for the 1922 movie Nosferatu. So honestly Twilight would be closer to original Dracula Lore by ignoring that whole killed by sunlight thing.

[@soulweaponx6644]

@@Prince__Teclis That is correct but Bram Stoker did state that Dracula could not be exposed to sunlight. So it is cannon to the lore. Nosferatu was just the first one to be caught out for a long period of time. I should have used a different comparison because I did not mean for this to delve into a conversation about vampires.

[@Prince__Teclis]

@soulweaponx6644 Though in that Dracula was merely depowered by sunlight. So Nosferatu is still a change in the Lore, to make a dc comics comparison it'd be like saying changing Kryptonite to disintegrate Superman when he got near was canon to Lore because he already couldn't go near it.

[@kawrght]

The omnibus of this is going to be a nightmare, but props theyve even been able to follow an overarcing plot this long. But yeah there should only be one comic per hero. Liquidating them this much just makes people not want to read.

[@Phenom0100]

I want to see a Terrance Howard version of Batman called "The BatMayne"

[@matthewschwartz6607]

He’s surprisingly changed MORE than Spider-Man or really any hero at Marvel has! He’s a FATHER now , and Dick has been Nightwing for decades now! So, he actually can change . It would be cool to see Bruce get married ( If only because it would be new .), but not really to Selina.

[@Batminem0]

Honestly, that's what I actually like about the comics and stories as a whole. When they build off of a previous storyline instead of just abrupt introductions or retconning Enjoyed the video, though

[@scottwerner279]

I can’t believe they teased the Catgirl wedding so hard. We’ve been here before with Dinah and Ollie but this was probably the worst. No one will ever believe this, it’s over Batman can never get married and any love interest will be unbelievable

[@ImaginaryNate]

AGREED.

[@ThanoseTheOneAndOnly]

Greatest Comics Channel of All Time

[@saviletotorres143]

I haven't finished reading the Daredevil comic because it hasn't come out in my country yet...

[@mr.dccomics9018]

Batman and Superman are basically cops. The have missions day by day and each investigation is always different. Looking for a story with Batman and Superman were the continuity changes the characters over time. Is not what they were made to be. They dont get older. They are in their prime.

[@MFBruce]

And he just lost a hand😭😭😭😭😭