The Problem With Bodybuilding

0:00 The Problem With Bodybuilding
1:44 Path One
2:20 Path Two
2:59 Path Three
8:10 Why Do You Want Muscle?
Pullups & Sandbags Build Your Back
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The "Sandbag Only" Program
• Sandbag Hypertrophy: T...
Do Sandbags Actually Build Muscle?
• Do Sandbags Actually B...
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[@thestonecircle]

Hey hope you all like this one! Thought it was time for another skill based training motivational video. One thing I forgot to mention, when I say 'Bodybuilding' I mean building the body in a general sense, not the sport. The sport of bodybuilding would actually have been a good addition to the path 3 list. Thanks for watching!

[@slee2695]

Is this related to the recent powerbuilding debates?

[@thestonecircle]

​@slee2695 I haven't had a chance to keep up with the whole thing so It's possible I missed something, but I would say it's similar. I think the powerbuilding people are saying heavy powerlifting specific compounds are the best way to build muscle and get strong at the same time? This video is less about trying to discover the best way to build muscle and more about finding something you enjoy doing (which could be powerlifting) and working that into a bodybuilding program, regardless of whether it's optimal or not.

[@slee2695]

@@thestonecircle i find goals change as time goes by...teens I wanted to get huge, 20s I wanted to get strong, 30s I wanted to stay athletic Now I want to keep up with my kids while looking good. The beauty of lifting is that it's a flexible tool to whatever your goals are

[@creativetraininghacks]

Great video! You know what's funny? Bodybuilding even got me the girl 😄But most definitely not in the way a typical male teenager would think. She cared very little for how much muscle I carried or how much I could lift. But she cared a lot about learning from me how to lift free weights herself (and her own bodyweight via pull ups and dips) in a sensible and productive manner. Because that was something none of the gym staff members with their prescribed cookie-cutter off-the-rack one-size-fits-all machine training circle was able to do. Back then I wasn't even a physiotherapist yet, but just an about to fail computer science student. But I already liked to share my enthusiasm for muscle training and sound nutrition with those who were receptive for it. And my now wife of 28 years definitely was. I think that could even be considered as something like number four to the three paths you explained in this video: Sharing and becoming an educator (like we both are now here on KZbin)

[@MonkeyBarsEveryday]

Yo I'm not crying ur crying 😻😻

[@thestonecircle]

Hahah of course! You are such an inspiration, someone we can all look up to. You're absolutely right about path #4 that's a great point!

[@creativetraininghacks]

@@thestonecircle Thanks, you're a great inspiration, too 👍 And I'm glad you like the idea of the fourth path.

[@thestonecircle]

@creativetraininghacks thank you! 🙂 the more I think about it, the more I realize there are probably an infinite number of different paths, I just can't think of them all right now haha

[@zacwayman9473]

I'd rather have fun doing something scientifically less effective than be bored doing something scientifically more effective

[@thestonecircle]

100% Same here!!

[@yoeyyoey8937]

Isn’t getting results inherently fun?

[@thestonecircle]

@yoeyyoey8937 you've hit on a great point, one that I think could be the main argument against all of this. Yes results are inherently fun, which is why all of this is still being discussed within the context of bodybuilding, but to downplay the importance of training enjoyment is a mistake, imo at least. If all paths lead to more muscle, why not choose the more enjoyable path? Also you could say, the 'skill' path, or path 3 in the video makes even more sense if results are fun, because in the end you'll have even more results to be happy about, more muscle/strength and all that, but also more skill at something cool

[@quadplyr13]

​@@thestonecirclesquat, front squat, bench, overhead press, incline press, deadlifts, rows, pull ups, farmers walks, loaded carry kettlebell exercises. Goodmorning's. Sleds tires bear crawls weighted or not. I actually rather be able to pick up a washing machine and walk with it to the truck if moving to another house. Functional skill and life safety is the reason. I only spend 3 day a week. Other days it's rock climbing.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

@@thestonecircle that’s a big “if” but let’s say hypothetically we’re only interested in hypertrophy and we don’t care how long it takes is to reach our goals and they have equal injury risk, etc, then yea ofc do the more “fun” thing. I would say this applies to the path 3 thinking. However I don’t think path 2 and 3 are exclusive to each other, I’d say that they can and should support each other

[@jamaisvu2664]

Bodybuilding always feels like just the aesthetic. Isolating muscle groups so that they don’t end up functioning together. This is why my interests have grown toward Olympic lifting, gymnastics, and strongman. Those always seem the most dynamic and interesting vs sitting on a machine that moves in the same arc.

[@thestonecircle]

I get what you mean, machine focused training has left many guys unable to act. Of course it isn't always the case when used correctly, but it's great to hear you've been training the cool stuff. Doesn't get much more badass than oly lifting, gymnastics, and strongman!!

[@glaedr3141]

This is the first time I've seen, heard, or read anything which so acutely and satisfyingly diagnoses and describes the phenomenon of contemporary bodybuilding. The paths that you explained make absolutely perfect sense to anyone who has gone to the gym for an extended period of time. I have thought about what makes bodybuilding such a paradoxical hobby for a while now, and this video accurately summarizes it while also attempting to provide an alternative. At the end of the day though, the conclusion that to pursue bodybuilding is to accept that you will never really have a concrete endpoint or "finish line" is exactly why myself and many others have fallen in love with the sport. An absolute gem of a video, hope to see more from you man.

[@thestonecircle]

Hey thank you I appreciate it so much! Really glad this one resonated with you, it's been a lot of fun trying to put these ideas into words. That's an awesome point too and I feel that! Knowing you can always push further and do better is so motivating

[@troyjohnson462]

Weight training for longevity and good core skeletal muscle. End goal= great health and the esthetics are the bonus prize!

[@thestonecircle]

Heck yeah I can definitely get behind that!

[@mikafoxx2717]

Plus, I usually prefer how calisthenics athletes look. Perhaps it's a more realistic real world strength look, and high power to weight ratio. They just tend to look like very healthy, capable people. That's why I love guys like this, or bioneer or some such. Everything builds muscle if it puts stress on your body, might as well do much of it in a way that you enjoy and that feels usable in the real world.

[@Aliistrength]

Your videos are getting on another level man! Love hearing your thoughts! Proud to see you grow brother 🤝🤙🤙🤙

[@thestonecircle]

Thank you so much!! It's crazy to think about where we were both at back in 2017. You've come such a long way since then too, it's always great to see you doing well!

[@Aliistrength]

@@thestonecircle much appreciated brother! Still looking to up my game for sure. Ngl, watching your channel has been inspiring me to make more of my own content. I might have to pick your brain sometime if you don't mind

[@thestonecircle]

@Aliistrength awesome man I'd love to see more videos from you! I'm working on getting a computer that will let me do zoom calls/screen recording and all that (I accidently threw a stick at my old one when I was practicing sword spinning and I can only see a tiny section of the screen now haha) maybe we could collab sometime in the near future?!

[@Aliistrength]

@@thestonecircle Absolutely man!!! I'd love to! And lol 😂 On a side note, I got a Chromebook on Amazon for less than 200, it has video call capabilities that are decent, but I'm honestly not sure about how good it would be for editing videos or if it can screen record. (Technology is not my strong suit)😂

[@thestonecircle]

​@Aliistrength oh nice that's not bad at all!! I'm kinda the same haha, my laptop is from 2006 I've never messed with anything newer than that aha

[@Hybridsayian]

Well said man ! 👏

[@thestonecircle]

Thanks man!!

[@jimmykrack99]

Dude, barefoot heavy rocks.. You're scaring me. Looking good man

[@thestonecircle]

Haha thank you, honestly watching it back I was a bit scared myself with the shape of this stone

[@leonardo9259]

That's why I like the natural circle of bodybuilding, it has a very "good enough is good enough" and health focus to building your body

[@thestonecircle]

Definitely I like that about it too!

[@deserthobo]

thats a good point and probably super underrated and overlooked...sometimes good enough is VERY good!

[@Aurora-bv1ys]

10:52 bro's doing 3x12 of Japanese Apologizing

[@kolbyjerred5552]

I'm very much hooked onto bodybuilding- I have a buddy that is as into it as I am. We talk about it, we love spending countless hours in the gym and we very much like the stability and sameness it provides to our day to day. That said, I think you're right about making sure we don't run ourselves into the ground. Picking up HEMA has really helped in other aspects that I lack like conditioning and to keep it fresh. Looking at it from a skill based perspective is interesting. It's not as if to say bodybuilding doesn't require skill but once you've gotten a certain amount of mileage in training, it's a big like being on autopilot. You know how to push just so. You know when to tweak when something doesn't work out for you. Great content as always! You always bring something fresh to think about in your content.

[@thestonecircle]

Hey that's awesome! It's gotta be nice to have a gym bro. I've been hooked on bodybuilding for years myself, even if I've been focusing more on other things lately! I hope the HEMA is going well, I just found out I'm one of 1500 on the waiting list for the place near me haha. And thats exactly it, after a while you already know the stuff, which is just fine but it can be enjoyable trying to learn something else too 🙂

[@angelogx96]

Did bodybuilding and powerlifting for years there always came a period were i was so unmotivated that i stopped training for a week or two, it was so boring. Since i started training sandbags clubs and less common equipment i never skip a day and I'm always looking forward to the next training session

[@thestonecircle]

THAT'S GREAT! I ran a basic strength program with barbells for 6 months one time and it ended with me just doing calisthenics for 1-2 years haha. It can get really boring, especially those basic minimalist programs. Glad you're enjoying your training now!

[@k-dregg9578]

Great stuff man, I get a lot of inspiration and ideas from your channel.. Thanks! 👍

[@thestonecircle]

Hey thank you I'm glad you liked it!!

[@petercsigo3314]

I think there's a bunch of videos on KZbin showing bodybuilders trying functional training and getting hurt lol.

[@thestonecircle]

Haha I can't watch that stuff, makes me cringe too bad 😁 not surprising though!!

[@JamesBond-wv9xz]

There’s something else not really talked about with path 3. This hobby, skill, interest, activity, etc. can actually INCREASE how much work you are able to do, and how much LESS work you are able to get away with. For example, I picked up MMA about a year and a half ago. I found out that I actually increased in my lifts noticeably more than when I took time off from MMA; if I took time off, I actually would see a performance drop in the gym. This is despite MMA training essentially being cardio and conditioning, which avid gym goers say decrease your lifts. Additionally, if I were inconsistent with the gym, I did not decrease in my lifts as much either; I basically could skip more days and be lazier with the gym without losing progress. I attribute this to 4 things: 1) MMA training is movement-oriented and works all muscles without explicitly attempting to fatigue them. This means that it delivers bloodflow-and thus oxygen and nutrients-to the muscles without fatiguing them, thus having a healing and stimulatory effect akin to physical therapy exercises. In other words, it’s a form of active recovery. 2) The gravitas of the activity has a psychological element to it that weightlifting does not. This psychological effect will manifest physiological responses, many of which may aid in performance and recovery. Another way of looking at it is how professional soccer players can’t run as fast track sprinters when timed, but in the middle of a game when the stakes are high, they may actually run faster than most Olympic sprinters despite not directly training to run faster. 3) The better your cardiovascular system is, the more muscle your body can put on. Many people don’t know this, but cardiovascular health is a limiting factor in tissue growth: your body will simply not build muscle if your heart is not strong enough to handle it. 4) The dynamic variability in MMA training works both aerobic and anaerobic capacities in ways that regimented structured training does not. During certain training exercises, you cannot simply “slow down” or “lower the weight”. If you attempt to exert less, you can get choked out. This causes dynamic exertions in ways that you otherwise would not be able to work in a gym. Additionally, the varying shifts in movement cause the body to work your muscles in different ways, and that includes lagging weak points that mere weightlifting exercises work. Couple all these together, and it could explain my (and others’) experiences. There may be some other factors I did not consider. And most of all, God Knows best.

[@thestonecircle]

This is such a great comment thank you for this!! It really does seem like cardio helps a lot, and I can only imagine MMA takes that to the extreme!

[@davidlaoang]

Thought provoking video man. I think I fall into path 3, I’m really into olympic weightlifting. Although, I may never be an olympic or national champion. What keeps bringing me back is that, I genuinely love it. It almost seems like play than a chore or ‘something I must do’. I believe that enjoyment will bring you the gains your looking for. Sometimes, you won’t even notice how far you’ve come because you just simply enjoy it, I.e love the progress. I think that’s a major piece people miss out or even consider. Cool video man. Keep it up!

[@thestonecircle]

Hey thank you I really appreciate it! I feel the exact same way about sandbag lifting I agree completely!

[@BuJammy]

I like Alec Enkiri, because it's about using performance metrics, and it's hard to avoid getting big. Train like you're trying to throw the shot/javelin/discus as far as possible, press the barbell as heavy as possible, lift the bag as heavy or as many reps as possible.

[@thestonecircle]

That's a really awesome way to do it!

[@lv2keepfit493]

I dig the backyard outdoor gym (real life, not fancy), not much is needed yet you still crush a serious workout, good stuff! 👍

[@thestonecircle]

Thanks! Lifting logs and stones is a lot of fun for sure 🙂

[@drbangrim4205]

Extremely well summed up, amazing video! This realization helped me so much in both my own programming and work! :)

[@thestonecircle]

Thank you I'm glad you liked it! It definitely makes a huge difference 🙂

[@motomasterx5824]

I did 2 for over 10 years with great results. Did 1 for a while and didn’t enjoy it. Now doing something kinda like 3 and in love with training again. Traditional style programming were boring me so much I was ready to all but quit training other than the bear minimum to maintain, but now I’m enjoying training again and getting great results!

[@thestonecircle]

Heck yeah that's so awesome I'm glad you've got that spark back! It's also great to hear your feedback about path 2 thank you!

[@ukestudio3002]

Lifting doesn’t obviate other recreational pursuits. You can " have your cake and eat it, too". Over 6 decades have seen beginning lifters get results within the first month of training (not a slow process at all ). Also see that literally everyone regardless of age, gender or ability get visible results; something i haven’t seen in any other sport or recreation. Can give you confidence, poise, capabilities in other sports non-lifters don’t get. The gym is my playground. I have fun, and even now see results and get compliments at age 73. I appreciate your thoughtful video . Thank you.

[@thestonecircle]

Thanks for your insight! I agree traditional gym bodybuilding is great too, I def didn't mean this video in a negative way towards that. I think you've hit on one of the main points, for 'path 3' to work the sport needs to allow for consistent progressive overload, like sandbag lifting for example. I appreciate your input, especially with the experience you have!

[@ashisland8061]

wow... spot on path 1 people come for muscle and then fall for perfectionism because they probably dont have an intellectually stimulating career path 2 people are doing it right in terms of "i just want muscle and so ill lift", they arent coping like the 1s but both dont compare to path 3 you really cornered me with "what do u want to do when you are strong that you cant do now?" and it really is about lifting heavy shit that is fun, and functional strength is really fun. profound video

[@yoeyyoey8937]

Idk like squat 5 plates. I mean the point is to get strong as strong as possible so bring stronger than I am now is what I want to do “when I get strong”

[@ashisland8061]

@@yoeyyoey8937 fax, im sure you've seen the videos of bodybuilders who lost all mobility that cant even run or lift a person over their shoulders right. whats even the point

[@yoeyyoey8937]

@@ashisland8061 yes ofc. Ultimately we have to know our goals and what we want to be able to do and what facilitates that. General strength helps you with everything but ofc if you want to be good at running or whatever activities then you have to make sure to devote resources towards that. At the extremes these things run into diminishing returns and interference effects which we have to be wary of

[@ashisland8061]

@@yoeyyoey8937 wym interference effects? interference with what?

[@yoeyyoey8937]

@@ashisland8061 the fact that the development of divergent adaptations at the margins cause them to interfere with each other. So for example, you can’t be the best endurance runner and strength athlete at the same time because training for one is going to interfere with the other. And in regular training, depending on how it’s structured, the recovery resources for your body are limited so you can still run into this issue if you try to train endurance and strength stuff the wrong way. Like going on a long distance run after squatting. Or squatting after a long distance run.

[@michaelpopkins3002]

Excellent video!!! I think that it's so important for longevity to find something that makes training fun,while still challenging the body. That's why I turned to sandbags after years of bodybuilding type training. The skill of learning a sandbag to shoulder in itself is such a fun and brutal workout also!

[@thestonecircle]

Thank you!! Exactly! Sandbags are such a great way to get there, I'm really glad you've been enjoying it. This video was almost an attempt at, "How can I make another sandbag video without saying it's a sandbag video," haha. Has the sandbag to shoulder been going well for you?

[@jaumemarce6464]

FOR ME going to the gym is as boring as build muscle and strength can be, I enjoy doing some of my lifts, however, for me are more a path to a result rather than something I would do for fun, that's the reason I'm into sports, they give the fun aspect plus some extra motivation, that's what works the best for me!!

[@thestonecircle]

Sounds like a great way to do it!

[@swoleinvictus213]

Excellent video! I chose path #3 roughly a year ago, when I switched to training full body 3x a week and added training wrestling once a week to gain in fighting skill. I noticed wrestling was really taxing on my posterior chain, mainly hamstrings and back erectors. But since I mainly wanted to coninue building muscle while gaining skill in an martial art instead of training solely FOR the martial art I replaced a lot of posterior work by wrestling and continued training in that modified way. Im very happy how it turned out tbh.

[@thestonecircle]

Hey that's awesome!! It's great hearing your real world experience with this stuff thank you! I'm guessing your posterior chain grew even without the traditional gym training for it, perfect example!

[@alexisjohnson9608]

Awesome and very inspiring videos and information stay strong brother 💪

[@thestonecircle]

Thank you! 💪💪

[@christisking1193]

Those are my kind of workouts! You just earned a subscriber

[@thestonecircle]

Heck yeah glad to have you here!

[@jdfranco4618]

Great video! I agree with most, if not all, of what you've said.

[@thestonecircle]

Hey glad you liked it!

[@mmafan3]

Bodybuilding actually compelled me to start my journey. Was at a department store x number of years ago and saw Arnold's book, The Education of a Bodybuilder. Incidentally I started on a calisthenics program by none other than Charles Atlas before touching a weight. Over the years I've done the "Bro Splits" on and off but always did my calisthenics in between and even went for months of just bodyweight. . I finally ditched the weights for good 6 years ago.

[@thestonecircle]

Same here I just wanted that muscle! Calisthenics has taken over my training completely many times too, if not for sandbags I think I'd be all in as well, really something special about calisthenics!

[@mmafan3]

@@thestonecircle for sure..we all have to try different things to reach that what works for us.

[@stu73ke]

​@@thestonecircleI think calisthenics can come close to being ideal, it just needs the addition of heavy weight somewhere - not necessarily for every muscle or even movement. The sandbags complement it well!

[@thestonecircle]

@@stu73ke I agree completely! Pure calisthenics is great but it's tough to beat that density you get from moving some heavy weight too

[@christopherwhitley9923]

The gym is more or less a means to an end, I really just wanted a pull up bar. Unlike many towns i have lived in, there are no public parks with workout equipment here. If there was, i probably would not have even gone back to a gym. Though i will admit its nice to be able to train my legs better than just bodyweight squats. All i want is to be able to do pullups again at my weight. I will be doing them for fun which means eventually one day i will look at my self and realize dang my back got wide. lol, enjoy what you do everyone.

[@thestonecircle]

Nothing like a good set of pullups!

[@AlteredState1123]

Good talk. Pretty good evidence out there that having muscle can be good for health and longevity. In my book, function almost always trumps form as function reveals what isn’t necessarily visible on the outside. Your neurological pathways, your connective tissues, and your cardiovascular system are treasures. Training which excludes and/or is to the detriment of these systems is trash.

[@thestonecircle]

For sure! I'd have to agree with that too for myself at least, if someone else wants to train for pure muscle at the expense of movement more power to them, but I personally love performance just as much as the muscle. I appreciate your insight!

[@stephendietrich41]

Bro, love this! I got a little trapped in the optimal body bodybuilding route for a while. No disrespect to those guys, I learned a lot about training. But in the end I lost sight of why I liked training and it was because it's fun to me (skill aspect). A lot of the bigger guys at my gym are huge but honestly the physique you have crafted is way more appealing to me: the witcher/caveman/thor look lol. There's a density to that that I don't see in even the biggest bodybuilders. it can only be forged through real heavy-duty practical work. For me, I love kettlebell snatches too. May not be optimal but sure is fun and creates explosive power. Going to get a sandbag too I think. Cheers! Your videos are awesome!

[@thestonecircle]

Hey I'm glad you liked it! I'm the same way, the skill aspect makes the whole thing enjoyable. I really appreciate that haha, a Witcher look is probably the coolest thing I can think of 😄 I spent a lot of years doing more traditional stuff, but the last few years with sandbags really did add a lot to that dense look. I feel it too, I swear this stuff makes you feel solid on your feet! I'd love to get into more kettlebell work myself, just need to get one. Glad to have you here!

[@mikafoxx2717]

I feel like calisthenics athletes and such tend to look more aesthetically pleasing to me, it's more proportioned for real world use. And then of course it's certainly more attractive when they're able to fully use that strength and have the balance, and skill to

[@ThePoser010]

I keep thinking path 2 but really I'm path 1. I love listening to this.

[@thestonecircle]

Hey glad you like it!

[@cam3177]

I’ve Been arm wrestling for about a year now, got sucked into it by watching grip strength videos and arm wrestling kept popping up, shits so fun I highly recommend anybody to give it a try

[@thestonecircle]

Even just the gym exercises are fun af!

[@jordengerbrandt]

nailed it perfectly! wish I said it myself

[@thestonecircle]

Thank you!!

[@TheTyrial86]

I would rather train feats of strength over how I look. I have found that looks come with athleticism. And it's always better to build that strength first to prevent injury from body building and poor form.

[@ZaidIsm007]

Modern day philosopher. Mind and body.

[@thestonecircle]

Hey glad you liked the vid!

[@MonsieurDepadieu]

Good thinking thanks

[@thestonecircle]

Glad you liked it!

[@StrifeA217]

I have always enjoyed the idea of total body control. Most of the time you see that from calisthenics, but most of those guys are not small either. I have gotten a little big around the middle and eat like crap, not obese, still have a hint of abs at the top, I struggle with the determination to do it every day. This is likely as much envirmental as it is purely mental on my part. But it's difficult without support, and it's difficult when those around you are actively against it, and it's not as easy as saying screw it and going at it alone when it's your wife and kids who actively tare you down for it.

[@thestonecircle]

Yeah it can be tough for sure. People don't like seeing others bettering themselves because it reminds them they should probably do the same. It's been my experience that people respect that determination if you stuck with it. Good luck with everything!

[@Sergus154]

I've been lifting various weights, a little running and a little boxing for the last 20 years. For the first 10 years, this caused a lot of criticism from my wife. Then there were about 5 years of relative silence. Today I hear more and more notes of pride in her words when she mentions my classes somewhere)

[@CharliePersonalTrainer]

Wise video, loved it.

[@thestonecircle]

Thank you!

[@ellisfrancisfarros3935]

Good video! But I respectfully disagree that you will be the same even after bodybuilding. You will definitely change as a person as it teaches you about patience, perseverance, long term planning and many other virtues. You will learn a lot that will carryover to real life.

[@thestonecircle]

Oh yes definitely! I didn't mean to downplay how awesome bodybuilding is, I love it and it's taught me so much.

[@tariqo16]

After hitting specific numbers i simply will find a new sport my gymnastics or something very soft core like yoga I doubt that i would stop lifting overall but my 4 days split will definitely go down.

[@thestonecircle]

That's a great way to do it! Hit that level you want and branch out

[@user-my9yk2pi7c]

Hey dude great video. I've been debating whether I want to track stuff and follow a program. Do you follow a program?

[@thestonecircle]

Hey thank you! Right now my setup is less rigid than usual, but I do track everything. I think you can get away with not following a program but keeping track of progress is really important imo! Otherwise you might end up lifting the same weight for the same reps for the next year and not realize it

[@alihasanaxe4936]

You cannot manage what you do not track. Especially as you start entering advanced levels and shit slows down.

[@dirtgoatpermaculture]

I do laborious work- mainly landscaping, dry stone masonry and carpentry. I would posit that skilled labor that produces an income and is generally useful, coupled with whichever form of training is enjoyable is the ideal approach to build muscle. Thousands of reps everyday to accomplish a meaningful goal plus targeting specific body parts for aesthetics is the way to go. If youre gonna pick up a heavy rock, it might as well go into a wall. I've also found since lifting serously for almost a year i have less work related injuries. I like the general message you're portraying though, just thought I'd add my two cents

[@thestonecircle]

That actually makes for a perfect 'fourth path'! I almost tried to get into stone masonry myself for that exact reason, but another thing I was doing took off so I never did. It sounds like that really would make for a good life, outside doing meaningful work, knowing when you go to the gym you already have a lot of your bases covered

[@dirtgoatpermaculture]

@@thestonecircle "It is the way"- Buff Mandalorian

[@thestonecircle]

@@dirtgoatpermaculture haha 😁

[@victorstreet]

Yeah! Working towards a skill lets say handstand pushups makes doing pike pushups / wall handstand pushups much more fun compared to overhead press just for big shoulders, you get the same out of it (muscle wise if you do them on a deficit).

[@thestonecircle]

EXACTLY! You got the point completely

[@dannywolfstrongman]

prety good point

[@thestonecircle]

Thanks Danny!

[@brianbachmeier34]

Thanks

[@thestonecircle]

Glad yoy liked it!

[@snoo333]

I am on path one at this time. I am sure i will try other strength training programs when i am happy with my results. my goal is to be as strong as i can be so i can protect myself and my family if the need arises. I do see your point about getting obsessed with the sport. i could spend my time on the net watching cat video, porn, news, geopolitics , endless shows and movie and God knows what else. if i am going to do the things above anyway, might as well looking the sport i love. which is to find ways to train. that's how i found your channel. thanks for the video.

[@thestonecircle]

Hey exactly! I don't think there's a more noble reason for training than that, to protect your family. Glad to have you here!

[@TrainingEverydayUntilIDie]

This is it. I want to be strong and muscular. But training just for that feels meaningless. I want to be strong and muscular to lift heavy stones and logs, to be a better swimmer, to get better at calisthenics, to wrestle other people, to challenge stronger opponents and in the end, to do things that feel epic. If I have more muscle and I'm physically stronger I will be able to do much more with my body, and I will also look stronger. Bodybuilding and basic strenght exercises are a tool for me to do that, not the end goal or the purpose. 7:27 and 9:57 THIS, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS Might make a video about this topic too!

[@thestonecircle]

Yes exactly!! Get bigger and stronger to use your body for cool things. I'd love to see a video on that!

[@yoeyyoey8937]

If you get strong and muscular then lifting those things will be easier too. You can specialize to build the skill but most of your gains are gonna come from the gym

[@thestonecircle]

@yoeyyoey8937 I think if you read his comment again you'll realize that's pretty much what he was saying already.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

@@thestonecircle yes I was just a bit confused because some of the stuff he talked about are a bit antithetical to each other but tbh it all depends on the nuance or details of what he means by that. Like for example, some calisthenics stuff amounts to gymnastics, and the only way to get advanced in these movements is to sacrifice absolute and balanced strength in favor for upper body, relative strength and generally putting the recovery resources into training the specific movements. Ofc if he just means getting better at basic calisthenics stuff like pull-ups or dips then we’re all in agreement.

[@thestonecircle]

@yoeyyoey8937 you make a good point with the gymnastics. You might not like this reasoning but I think in some ways it's less the actual achievement of advanced skills and more the general idea that you're working towards that possibility. In either example he's making gains, but the motivation comes from a different place, and that can make life more enjoyable. I don't mean to speak for him though, that's just something I've experienced myself. Just knowing you're on a path that might lead to all of those cool things is a nice feeling. I have been following the trainingeverydayuntilidie channel for a while though and I'm pretty sure I've seen him do every one of the things he mentioned haha, he's the real deal! Making crazy improvements in stone lifting right now

[@Bald_Gojo123]

This is an awesome video

[@thestonecircle]

Hey thank you!!

[@solog764]

Wisdom!

[@thestonecircle]

🙂 thank you!

[@jandjpt]

The issue is that in order to get better at lots of skill based stuff, the base of it involves bodybuilding. Strongmen, bodybuilders, and even calisthenics guys partake in it. Its inevitable with lots of endeavors thay youll need to do bodybuilding to some extent.

[@thestonecircle]

Yes definitely, that's why I tried to make sure the video stayed within the realm of bodybuilding. I don't like to separate the two honestly, you will need more muscle to become really good at lifting sandbags, so they go together in a sense

[@leonardo9259]

Yep, it's great to think of bodybuilding as a scavenger, picking up techniques and philosophies frok all over the world to be the best version of yourself

[@penumbrium]

im trying out the skill path via sandbags and harder calisthenics progressions like archer pushups and pullups. kinda sick of bodybuilding in the classic sense. i was quite suprised how much of my body a ~120lbs sandbag to shoulder 10x3 made sore. Id like to present another path tho. specialization where you focus on a few muscle groups and then put the rest on maintainance to save time and effort for what you want to grow.

[@thestonecircle]

Hell yeah that's so good work!! 30 reps with 120 is no joke, how are you liking it so far? That's a great addition too!

[@penumbrium]

@@thestonecircle I like it but it is so tiring compared to like a highpull or deadlift. I was supersetting it with a 10 down pullup, dip, and ab wheel which i think was probably not smart lol. the bag is a is a bit loose because its in the 200lbs ironmind bag and I dont have it compacted super tight. I feel like inhave the form down enough to go up in weight and ill try to make it tighter when i fill it more.

[@thestonecircle]

@penumbrium haha damn you are becoming an endurance machine no doubt!! (While getting jacked and stacked as they say 😁) I think you're right if you can handle that many reps I bet you could add some, especially if you've been lifting a loosely packed bag. Awesome I'm pumped for your progress!

[@penumbrium]

@@thestonecircle thank you bro, your channel has revitalized my interest in lifting when it had been falling into feeling more and more like chores. I think if i do a 10 down with sandbag to shoulders i might remove the ab wheel because my core felt like hamburger at the end and im sure i was bleeding performance on the shouldering.

[@thestonecircle]

@penumbrium so glad I could help!! Damn haha 10 down shoulders! Makes me want to bring out my old smaller suitcase sandbag and try that, sounds like the best kind of soreness 😁 I know that exact core feeling haha

[@subdynoman]

I've just tried to estimate my total average power by body weight, it's gone down significantly at 40 but efficiency is way better and flexibility and power to weight ratio is way more life impacting. So I then try to stress my body based on what I would expect in a crisis event where I would depend on my physical abilities. I would love to store the energy in a battery to use for whatever when needed.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

What about strength? What about extreme adaptations that prepare you for any circumstances?

[@subdynoman]

@yoeyyoey8937 For me, strength is dependent on available food sources. I haven't found a reliable source that can give me the highest average gain for my current financial stance...

[@thestonecircle]

Wouldn't that be nice haha. That sounds like an intelligent way to train, it's always interesting to hear how priorities change with time

[@subdynoman]

@yoeyyoey8937 there are tons of circumstances? Like what stopping a train? A simple injury can cause so much lost gain and time.

[@thestonecircle]

@yoeyyoey8937 I think, "So I then try to stress my body based on what I would expect in a crisis event..." implies at least a base level of strength. You might also say 'crisis event' implies that extreme adaptation you asked about, but I couldn't say for sure

[@CyborgStrengthPower]

Greetings Cyborg Model # 0027 Liked & Subscribed. Interesting points. Lucky for me, I combined Bodybuilding, Strongman, Powerlifting, and Calisthenics in my full body workout sessions.

[@thestonecircle]

Haha best introduction of all time. Glad to have you here, sounds like an awesome full body program!

[@mrpink6022]

LITTLE HINGES SWING BIG DOORS.....bIG things happen as a result of small things. KEEP IT SIMPLE...BE CONSISTENT WITH THE BASICS!

[@thestonecircle]

Yes!!

[@subdynoman]

Wouldn't wings be liberating! Maybe a carbon design will lend itself a decent set of powered wings where the energy could be stored like a drone back pack just for short bursts

[@thestonecircle]

Haha oh yeah flying would be pretty great 😄

[@MarekKE-ei6ec]

A skill? Macebell and clubbbel, unilateral. In training, you lack "lever" and above all enough unilateral exercises.

[@usurperrrrr]

"Functional strength training" is a whole lot more fun. Just mix strength and hypertrophy training, only do your favorites, but periodize and be progressive. It is supposed to be fun, if it isn't fun, then why do it? I smile just as much on my last pull-up, dip, so on, as I do on my first. And that's the point of bodybuilding, strength, etc.

[@thestonecircle]

I agree!

[@marloncrispatzu1509]

The real question is: who has more time left after workout to invest in this? Haha

[@thestonecircle]

Haha good point 😁

[@ricardovencio]

Profund...

[@thestonecircle]

Glad you liked it 🙂

[@MonkeyBarsEveryday]

CONTROVERSIAL

[@TrainingEverydayUntilIDie]

No way, he's just spitting FACTS!

[@thestonecircle]

Hahah not gonna lie, there's a certain video from last year about training enjoyment that I still think about on occasion. Not sure why but it always gets me a bit fired up 😅

[@kevguy7]

Honestly I'm skinny and weak. So insecurity is a big reason for me. Also I feel much better after a good workout session. But honestly ever since the whole get-jacked-get-girls hype (and delusion) died in me, I've found it harder to motivate myself to exercise.

[@thestonecircle]

Finding a skill might make that motivation easier, makes going to the gym fun af!

[@jonatanolsen37]

Most people think that money, success, being fit and good looking will get you girls. The truth is that these qualities will give you confidence in yourself, or is a product of your confidence, and confidence is the most important factor when it comes to girls.

[@kemptonbryan]

I disagree with most of this video. Still an interesting perspective I guess.

[@sendjohn9281]

Just out of curiosity - what is it exactly that you disagree with?

[@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514]

I do kettlebell sport training now and only entertain the idea of bodybuilding in the context of taking gear. Its damn near impossible to actually look "good" as a true natural.

[@oldnatty61]

Squats and deads build biceps.

[@thestonecircle]

Haha yeah biceps definitely grow from more than just curls no doubt! My point was really to show that everything seems to come full circle eventually. When asked how to build big arms, an untrained person off the street will usually say, "Do curls." It's funny we can spend 10 years trying to figure out the best way to get bigger arms, only to realize we had the answer from the start. There are other methods there too of course!

[@oldnatty61]

@@thestonecircle Yeah. That was exactly my point. It's long lost that the body grows from biggest to smallest muscle groups. A natty will never see big arms if they haven't gotten their legs, hips, but, and back big. A big squat and dead, for reps, takes care of 65 to 70% of the job, and sets the stage for the rest. You've got to have clay to sculpt. In your case the heavy sandbag and stone work takes care of the torso. Some squatting, a compound pull and push, and your go to go.

[@thestonecircle]

@oldnatty61 I agree with this to a point, I actually made a video on it using that same clay analogy kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5TVk6WbbNp-m7ssi=Tp7G2iQIuKMn6gLd The point of the video wasn't about biceps, but training in general. Yes it would be difficult to get big arms without growing everything else too (I've heard the 15lbs to 1inch idea before, though I think that's overselling it a bit) but no one can tell me curls aren't the easiest way to build the biceps. A curl is simple and straight to the point. Of course other things grow the arms too, but the point of that part of the video was to say basic ideas are often correct. Sometimes it takes years of research to realize this basic truth, but everything comes full circle. You see this in any field. Thanks for your input as always oldnatty, I appreciate your feedback

[@oldnatty61]

@@thestonecircle The curl will put finishing touches on the bi's, but very few nattys are going to have the potential for any real arm size until they're squatting in the 300's and deadlifting in the 400's for reps. Everytime you put a pair of 45's on you squat and dead you make a deposit into your savings account of total size potential. Stuff ain't going full circle enough. The "experts" are reinventing what's already been discovered.

[@tnf9820]

Lol that's just like saying squats and deads build​ the neck or abs well yes those muscles will absolutely be working to balance but without direct neck or direct ab work they won't grow unless it's genetics@@oldnatty61

[@oliviervo6889]

These are bad arguments, you arbitrarily made up number of hours needed - added in 10 hours of cardio and said 24 hours or 1/7 of your week dedicated to bodybuilding = takes too long.

[@thestonecircle]

If you watch the video for more than 10 seconds you'd see what I was saying. Of course the numbers are arbitrary, but the point is to say there is a limit to how much you can do in any given week. I seriously doubt anyone us doing more than 24 hours a week on a bodybuilding program. It's supposed to represent the extreme end

[@igorlakicevicmma]

Video quality is amazing! It’s a shame that more people don’t follow you. It will come with time if you keep producing content like this🫡

[@thestonecircle]

Thank you!! I really appreciate it, I'm honored to have 3k+ here already, blows my mind actually haha. Doing all I can to keep making these longer vids!