The problem with fur

[@DWPlanetA]

What do you think about fur?

[@JJONNYREPP]

Why fur is back (and what to do about it) 1547pm 18.2.22 well, if you were living in the far north and were maybe an eskimo... then fair do...no idea why i have to subscribe to your way of thinking cos you might be in the numerical supremacy.. but i am allergic to fur it brings on asthma as does your entering my home without permission or your being caked in skanky horse hair... so... the new aristocracy demand faux fur and faux examples of equally durable materials for footwear and clobber. you would have thought that we'd have mastered the noble art of wear and tear by now. my faux stance is specifically for warmth. and for the good of my health.

[@suz1453]

I want a mink coat

[@huntingkc1]

People that are removed from nature want synthetic, nature people like myself want both synthetic and fur.... But I've seen the whole process and the unexpected consequences of a society with to many predators

[@JJONNYREPP]

@@suz1453 Why fur is back (and what to do about it) 1607pm 18.2.22 if the cannibals dont get you the animal lib will!!!

[@ms.pirate]

I'm not vegan, but I dont like it when animals' fur is taken off alive. I always look for fake fur and not buy fur from real animals. Only acception is wool, because the wool on sheep wont stop growing, and they don't take off their skins alive like they do with minks, foxes, etc. A shearer don't take the skin, they just take the wool, and wool grows back quickly. Trust me, I've pasted by a sheep farm many times, and the only times I've seen a sheep loose their wool and grow back, is during the hot months

[@dalton6173]

I do believe as long as we eat the meat we should use the fur and everything else. If you end somethings life then use everything and do not make a mockery by waisting.

[@lubenicmackavic2780]

Amen

[@dalton6173]

@@lubenicmackavic2780 hopefully you did not mean that in the way cults use it. Religions=old cults with a lot of members.

[@groomersgotohell]

beaver is delicious.

[@Debble]

I completely agree! If i buy for it is also often second hand then there is no market to kill just for the fur. And i would really like an open conversation worldwide on making sure all of an animal is used respectfully

[@yuris.3167]

I agree that leather byproducts shouldn't be wasted, but this is about fur. Minks, racoons and foxes are not being farmed for their meats, they are being farmed exclusively for fashion purposes.

[@permiebird937]

Synthetic cloth made from recycled plastics is a huge source of environmental micro plastic pollution. Micro plastic pollution damages every part of the food web. I just don't see how switching to more synthetics is anything except increasing damage to the environment.

[@rumo893]

Then we need to improve the plastic and recycling. Staying with fur is not an option. PLA and Starch based may be a solution, aswell as plastics with intentional breaking points on the molecular basis.

[@ArariaKAgelessTraveller]

Other option would be plant based fur

[@suruxstrawde8322]

@@ArariaKAgelessTraveller legit just cotton it's everywhere and incredibly cheap. Fur is completely useless compared to the clothing technologies that already exist.

[@kaimcloughlin8981]

If half the amazon and all the worlds ocean got polluted it wouldn't matter as long as people could pretend "nothing died to make my plastic coat.. you awful animal product using person"

[@meyer6891]

@@suruxstrawde8322 A good question is why cotton is cheap. When there are questionable agricultural and labor practices is hard to call something a better alternative.

[@BOBASuper]

Biggest question about synthetic fur and leather for me personally: doesn't it have an even bigger carbon footprint? I had to stop buying plastic shoes, because a pair of leather ones lasts for 3-5 years, while plastic can only survive one season (3-6 months). The amount of old shoes I had to throw away scares me.

[@SaveMoneySavethePlanet]

The tricky part is detecting when something transitions from “people are buying it cause they need it” to “people are buying it because the marketing is effective.” At the end of the day, I don’t mind people buying leather or other animal products if they use the product until it physically falls apart on them. Although, for fur, I do have a serious problem with animals being raised solely for the purpose of their fur…

[@IvanKuckir]

@@SaveMoneySavethePlanet "I do have a serious problem with animals being raised solely for the purpose of their fur…" - but isn't it the same with meat? You can live without fur products just like you can live without eating meat. You kill and eat a rabbit, and it is gone, you must kill another one tomorrow. But you kill and "wear" the mink for years or even decades.

[@lopis]

Bad leather shoes also break down. Same with bad plastic shoes. But things that last. My fake leather boots are pushing 5 years now, and still look great.

[@trank3166]

@@IvanKuckir I think they meant like raising a mink for fur and throwing the rest of the animal away

[@ivan55599]

What kind of shoes last only 3-6 months‽

[@phoenixleather8963]

I think making use of the animal your farming is key, most people don't eat mink and fox. But a lot of people do eat sheep and cow. So sheep fur and calfskin or leather are less wasteful than an animal that's carcass is just going to be burned and not consumed. Humans have been farming and hunting animals for thousands and thousands of years, abolishing husbandry all together would be foolish, especially for cultures where animal produces are extremely important are even sacred. We need to have regulations to make sure it can be done ethically, not condemn it.

[@graham1034]

I completely agree. Let's improve the treatment of farm animals, ensure we're using as much of the animal as possible, and eliminate the negative impacts on the environment. Responsibly raised livestock seem like they should be more environmentally responsible than synthetic alternatives. I think the main issue with videos like this is that we're trying to get environmental information from an animal rights activists.

[@TheHuntermj]

Someone definitely is eating mink meat lol I doubt they are just throwing it out, maybe it's going for animal feed

[@Mephitinae]

Couldn't the meat from the fur industry be used as pet food or something? It's ironic how many ideologically "green" people own carnivorous pets like cats and dogs

[@FlorinArjocu]

We should definitely not stop using leather (from cows for instance) and sheep fur in any form those could exist, it is simply a waste and more polution. It is simply bad tonhave some plastic (oil based) fake leather that will probably take centuries to decompose instead of something we already have.

[@ploefff]

@@TheHuntermj they're used for biofuel and fertilizer. When you hear your friendly KZbin gardener talking about using blood and bone meal - that's a mink spink

[@Orangelionfur]

So many mistakes! Animal carcasses aren’t burned! They are processed into cosmetics, medicine, fertilizer and pet food. And fur isn’t tanned with chrome or formaldehyde, that’s leather you’re thinking of. Chrome stains green or blue, you don’t want that on a fur pelt!

[@Palepetal]

The fur industry needs regulation, it doesn't need to be banned. Literally when those minks were killed for their fur their meat was incinerated. Why can't those minks be made into food? Maybe not for humans but for dogs or cats or other animals. They should also not be having fur farms with animals not native to their countries.

[@sheenawarecki92]

It's sad they where burned unless they used the ashes for fertilizer. Most of the companies I follow that do fur work use the mink meat for animal feed but mostly for fertilizer and unless they used the ashes from burning that's a horrific waste

[@rino4583]

Agreed, there’s nothing evil about using fur as clothing. If that were the case then everyone should stop eating meat, which if we’re being real, will never happen. However regulating is critical from letting poor conditions go under the radar.

[@caroljordao93]

This video only showed one part of fur production. Most of mink farming in Europe uses the meat for producing cat food. The greatest environmental impact they showed was non native species introduction. That is in fact dangerous for local biodiversity, but minks aren't only farmed, they are also pets. How could they determine if the invasion was from farming or from pets? And if this is the greatest danger, it's very simple to contain or regulate it. We farm, research and own as pets a lot of other animals that endanger local species. Cats, for instance, are a great danger to native habitats, we don't hear from any cat banning. The other impacts were chemicals and carbon footprint, it's very unlikely that fur farming produces a greater cabon footprint than synthetics textiles, because you have to extract oil and add thousands of chemicals in order to get to synthetic fabrics.

[@Orangelionfur]

The carcasses aren’t burned, this video is wrong. The carcasses are sold, farmers get money for it. Why would anyone burn it

[@user-eh2hj8bx6O]

naw. BAN IT

[@IvanKuckir]

Synthetic fur is extremely cheap and an average person probably buys dozens of synthetic garments in their lifetime, which will end up in landfills or oceans, decomposing for centuries. If we could improve the welfare of animals, don't let them escape, and solve other current problems, I don't see how farming animals for fur is any worse than farming animals for meat.

[@ThisIsATireFire]

@@vika5655 the fur quality standards can't be low, or the fur will be thin, coarse, and shed heavily. To get shiny, thick, pelts the animals have to be fed well and given enough room to turn around and stand up to prevent wear marks, thin spots and other damage that can devalue the hide. That is actually better conditions than the average commercial egg laying chicken gets. They either can't turn around or about half of their upper beak is cut off so they can't pick at and injure each other from stress or boredom. And fur can definitely last. My mother bought herself a shearling coat in 1973. I still wear it every winter since I'm in Kentucky and she's now in Florida. Some stitches and buttons have had to be replaced, but it's still a nice looking warm coat. You'd never guess it's almost 50 years old and has seen about 40 winters in service.

[@Ahalya190]

Most people don’t have tons of synthetic fur lying around lmao. The polyester clothing issue is an issue even in tropical places. We need to switch to hemp/ linen and reduce our use of polyester but it has nothing to do with the issues related to fur farming. People are gonna buy polyester even if they have a real fur coat

[@IvanKuckir]

​@@Ahalya190 Maybe if there was a special tax for each ton of oil, that you pump out of the ground. All countries must agree on this. It would increase the cost of all plastics, and motivate us to switch to other alternatives.

[@zyx2942]

Faux fur was NEVER the solution to this problem, it's just asking for the fashion industry to churn out more microplastics. Fur for fashion is bad but it all depends on how it's used. If the fur was a necessity for survival and no part of the animal was put to waste, then I'm all for it.

[@sheenawarecki92]

Exactly I agree

[@Welhem5492]

Animals corpses were mad into fertile

[@carlosdumbratzen6332]

@@Welhem5492 nah they arent. They are incinerated. So the worst possible outcome.

[@Welhem5492]

@@carlosdumbratzen6332 no , i visted some mink farm , those corpses were sold out too w

[@divinemoments5344]

The meat from such farms is never wasted. It goes on to produce pet food. For dogs and cats for example.

[@regnbuetorsk]

wearing plastic is much worse. well kept fur and leather can last a lifetime, while synthetic fibers break down at every wash and release microplastics all over the place

[@Alicegab300]

@@kjh4112 how do you kill humanly?

[@imsorryforarguingbut4555]

@@Alicegab300 Quick and painlessly?

[@meyer6891]

@@someguy2135 Funny enough, dog fur and dog meat would be better from both an ethical and ecological point of view, since dogs (and cats) are invasive species and a threat to biodiversity, we sacrifice them anyway and there are no "dog farms" since they aren't economically feasible (puppy mills are a separate issue).

[@meyer6891]

@@someguy2135 There do are ways to treat animals better without getting rid of them, mostly ones that resemble traditional farming. It's possible to argue that there's no real need to deforestate, and that deforestation is the consequence of us using extractive methods of production that end with the land becoming useless. I think the conversation should make more emphasis on the need of discarding the agribussiness model. That being said, I see your point.

[@meyer6891]

@@someguy2135 I don't think that definition of 'humane' is fair, as long as it implies that an animal needs to suffer so its death is humane, that the animals being sacrificed at the worst industrial farms have an humane death. Shouldn't a humane death also imply an humane life?

[@teresa6136]

my grandmother has a mink coat and I totally understand why they wore it, that stuff is incredibly warm like nothing i have ever worn

[@TranceGurl20]

To me it's not worth it for something to lose their life I will take other options everybody else are terrible to wear something that comes from an animals that's been treated poorly I pass on anything to do with animals

[@davidfreeburn8592]

We live in a nature cycle of life and death.this is the tragedy of what we are. Something like 2.1 million beehives (41billion) bees are imported into California every season to pollinate almonds,oranges and avacados .20 billionnof those bee’s die as a result… dont hear the vegans talking about that

[@HarrisPilton789]

You should buy a preloved mink coat or jacket for yourself.

[@SaveMoneySavethePlanet]

I’ve never been so proud to have poor fashion!…I swear, so many problems in our environment can be traced back to companies trying to turn a profit! I can understand fur clothes which are for warmth or are made in order to use every part of an animal which was hunted or died for some other reason….but we absolutely don’t need to purchase new fur every single season just in order to “look good”!

[@chris-2496]

Who buys a fur coat every season?

[@SaveMoneySavethePlanet]

@@chris-2496 the second half of the video jumps right into how much of the fur purchasing in China is not for utility but for fashion instead.

[@KingFinnch]

i dont think i've ever even touched a real fur coat, and this is coming from a guy with a suede waistcoat. theres no actual reason for people to buy fur, puffer jackets are better insulators and the fashon doesn't matter because nobody can tell if its fur or faux fur.

[@NeonNion]

As a Finn I cannot understand the winter argument. Just get a winter jacket for god's sake like every other Finn. During the coldest winter months tempeatures can fall up to minus -30C degrees here in the south and under -40C in the North. To me it sounds like an excuse, nothing more than that.

[@SaveMoneySavethePlanet]

@@NeonNion that’s fair. As a SoCal resident I try to keep my comments to what I know, and I felt more confident speaking to the consumerism of the fashion industry rather than warmth. Glad to have someone chime in with more relevant experience!

[@amandacozza6532]

I have two mink coats, one hat mink, and one rabbit scarf. They are all family heirlooms which I take care of as such. Correct temperature storage humidity control and carefully clean. They have been in my family for three generations. Nothing is warmer. The quality of faux fur is not even close. I believe the conscious use of it is the key. The production should be very limited and cruelty-free.

[@echostorm3064]

I agree.

[@imalrockme]

Yes, what scares me are the farms that torture animals every second of every day. I've seen force fed geese to make foie gras, sturgeons "swimming" in ponds, hardly moving just for their eggs and, now, obese silver foxes in tiny cages for their fur. Not right.

[@critterjon4061]

Agreed, furs from animals fur farms not only result in an inferior product they prevent trappers like my friends and family from being able to make a living

[@ImaginaryMdA]

You had me until you said 'cruelty-free' fur production. XD

[@LuxuriousFurs]

I love real fur forever and whatever people can say!

[@jkoblivion4175]

Cool! I hope Jame Gumb wear you as well.

[@critterjon4061]

@@jkoblivion4175 “wears” and the problem isn’t the furs but the the use of fur farms to produce them

[@ColaKitty9595]

The fur industry is unsustainable, but synthetic options break down faster, and degrade into microplastics when they are thrown out. The most responsible thing is just to use whatever you pick for as long as possible, and repair as needed.

[@gatsbylee]

Wool

[@TheJulietxo]

The thing is, if it's anything like leather, it's wayyy more unsustainable than the synthetic ones even factoring in the plastics and the lifetime of the garment.

[@rifafahri7189]

Yeah they talked about it in 07.41

[@panam747]

@@TheJulietxo Not completely true. By a long shot! Took me awhile but haven’t worn any animals in nine years. Tom’s shoes is how I got started.

[@Prometheus7272]

Why is the fur industry unsustainable?

[@Orangelionfur]

The “raccoon coat” is actually blue arctic fox. Takes 8 pelts at most. The mink coat you said takes 70 minks? Max 15. I’ve made fur coats myself, I know how many pelts it takes.

[@lubenicmackavic2780]

dude, we need to talk. like for real. Not aggressive or anything here. I am worldbuilder and I got a ton of question to ask you

[@Orangelionfur]

@@lubenicmackavic2780 You can ask any questions :)

[@lubenicmackavic2780]

@@Orangelionfur is there a good way to contact you? because in youtube comments it might not be the best

[@Dakiniwoman]

I have racoon fur and it is entirely different from the many Fox furs I have... so you are wrong.

[@francisfishing4913]

I'm a furrier and I'm so glad you mentioned this. Do you have an email? You're very knowledgeable

[@BlackMambo5]

Why do people care what someone else wears, or eats, or drinks? Unless its affecting you directly, just mind your own business and stick to your morals and values instead of trying to dump them on someone else. I'm a vegetarian, but I don't go around forcing my friends to stop eating meat, or not use animal skin products, its their decision to make, on their conscience, not mine. These kinds of moral activisms are always going to end up creating more problems and division among people. Just stop forcing people.

[@meyer6891]

I'm not sure if promoting/regulating something counts as forcing, specially when we're doing so because of a common interest, like controlling the climate crisis. I do see the ethical problem in prohibitions based on "moral reasons", that besides usually are either racist (the war on drugs in practice), ableist (like plastic straws), or any other -ist, or actually make things worse for everyone (like alcohol a century ago).

[@francisfishing4913]

i think the fur industry meeds heavy regulation, but personally im pro-fur and i think it's far more sustainable than plastics. personally i love fur. i wear my fur coat daily

[@Canvas73120]

how about u trade ur own skin for ur fashion gimmicks.

[@francisfishing4913]

@@Canvas73120 "gimmick"? i live far north, i wear fur for warmth. fur is the oldest human clothing, it's not a trend.

[@lilrevo9651]

@@Canvas73120 im in the north but id were it too for the ''gimmicks'' if ya kill something or eat its meat then you may aswell use its wool leather and furs, leaving it to rot does no good for anybody or anything.

[@neinja66469]

@@Canvas73120 furs are the oldest pieces of clothing lmaoo what reality u living in bro? Plus faux fur can easily break down and reduce to nothin more than microplastics Like homie above said the industry requires more regulation but all the bans that OUR tax dollars pay for is ridiculous cuz yall may not know this But lots of places are cold Real cold Like 20° and wayyyyy lower than that

[@Zachry86]

On an industrial scale we need to avoid it. But natural fur is a part of respecting and using the whole animal when sustainably harvesting from nature. Ofcourse we cannot supply natural fur anywhere near the scale that the modern fashion industry requires/wants. We need to slow everything down. Clothes need to be made to last and to be repaired.

[@Canvas73120]

1st fools need to realize cloths r for comfort and warmth , not for fashion.

[@dinahsquiltshandmadesoaps7340]

I have been repurposing fur coats into blankets, throws, pillows and teddy bears. Some are 50+ years old. If well taken care of they can last YEARS!! For the most part, you won't find that in todays fabrics. With many of the items there is a deep sentimental attachment to the coat, which they wish to pass down to other family members. I love that I can bring comfort to others.

[@BesianSelmani]

I'll never stop wearing furs.

[@colinwild4151]

Yes ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@steviejohnson378]

Barbarian

[@Getaway_Fan_111]

I love wearing fur!

[@GunterBaab-ly5mh]

Me too❤️💋👍🔥

[@vnevemknevem529]

I think, real fur is so beautiful and much environment-friendly than plastic dresses. The problem is not with fur wearing, but treatment with farm animals: this can be cruel but normal too. If animal breeders treat the animals well, then no problem with eating meat or wear skin and fur. Unfortunatelly, some extremists ruined the normal animal breeders, too. I dont't understand this behavior. I like those elegant women, who wears fur coat. It is a natural matter, even if made with some chemicals nowadays.

[@brega6286]

To me real fur is symbol of smartness because of the cost of heating ! Once you go through days of no power no heat and no rescue...you understand.

[@minya0111]

i agree with you. i cannot find any synthetic fibre products that can compete with fur coat in providing warmth when testing at same cold temperature.

[@thesparks00]

Natural vs. synthetic fur's polluting aspects being compared is silly considering synthetic doesn't even have a solution for disposal 💀 for as long as we have humans to feed there's meat, and we might as well get the fur and other stuff.

[@D.R658]

Furs are ok, but as with meat, don't make the animals suffer extra and offer them a life.

[@skylover321.8]

I support real fur. The plastics is NOT an option since this could mean HUGE increase in one already serious problem we are already facing, which is MICROPLASTICS. Real fur also can always be recycled, which faux polyester fur cannot be. I am staying with the real and natural. Period!

[@danielc2375]

Been wearing my grandmothers mink coat she got in 1973!! is the warmest winter coat I own and live in Canada . Since I got it passed down 5 years ago I don’t really buy sweaters or awful polyester or dawn filled coats anymore no need for layering with furs just a scarf and hat and am out of the door in harsh temperatures . Now tell me which fake fur or dawn coat is as warm or long lasting as a good old fur???

[@piscatawaymechanic]

i like fur… it feels great i think plastic is way worse because it will still be here 160 years from now in a landfill poisoning the water and food. while a mink coat 🧥 would be gone ..and a million other minks would have lived their life cycle. there are plenty of animals that are hit by cars to freely make coats. especially deer 🦌 be tearing peoples cars up.. free meals for vultures (circle of life )

[@mathildamurray2622]

Until they create alternatives that aren’t plastic derivatives, fur is the best option for cold climate outdoor gear. It also lasts the longest. Synthetics coats aren’t passed down for generations

[@lesgibson969]

Don't you know how fur is animal cruelty?

[@shemhenry]

The lesser evil.

[@lateoclock4281]

I like how you specify cold climate outdoor gear rather than just for fashion purposes. In that specific use case I definitely agree!

[@FlorinArjocu]

@@iii___iii Not only to humans, see what happens to birds or when the plastics get into the oceans.

[@FlorinArjocu]

@@lesgibson969 Plastics swallowed by animals and killing/deforming/sterilizing them are not cruelty, right? And microplastics getting into out body is perfectly natural and fine, right?

[@Dedhead6992]

It's completely possible and easily enforceable to implement a set of standards for fur farms globally. Having such standards strictly enforced by a organization such as the un isn't that difficult and it would not drive the price of the products to insane prices either. I adore fur. I have several coats. I prefer vintage coats but have a couple new ones. They are FAR warmer than anything synthetic. They don't look matted and ratty like synthetic fur. They don't burn or singe ether

[@francisfishing4913]

The E.U. has really good animal standards, it's called the Welfur system, but the E.U. is holding council to ban fur farming... Sadly it looks like China, Russia, and the U.S. will be the only place with fur farms

[@SergeyYakimenko]

So fur is cruel for animals, but plastics like polyester used otherwise as a filling in warm jackets and coats, and just in clothing in general, is cruel for environment, which subsequently is also cruel for animals - in the long term. And cotton production is very water intensive, so also bad for environment. And what about down, is it also cruel for birds, or is okay? Do we care about birds? Leather is probably okay - as long as we eat meat, there will always be leather. Or not? What about other animals? Fish, insects, reptiles? Are we abusing them at the same scale as their bigger and smarter brothers? Many questions, so more information on this topic is welcome!

[@smarkwick7814]

Wool is one of better alternatives since it isn't harmful to the animals and sheep is a commonly eaten meat.

[@Ahalya190]

Hemp is the least water intensive and doesn’t require pesticides. It can also be carbon negative if you grow it in the right areas. Fur, plastic , leather and wool are horrible for the environment because they have associated carbon emissions. Also to keep the animals alive you need to farm their food. Second hand winter coats are the best option

[@walks1835]

In New Zealand we have a top quality fur animal " Australian Brushtail Possum" that is regarded as a introduced pest and our govt uses cruel 1080 poison that kills many other species including native birds to kill them. It is dropped by aircraft into our forests by the tonnes against the wishes of most people here. The fur is really good, warm soft and makes really nice garments. The fur is blended with fine wool for extra warmth and softness. The pelts are also used for making high quality coats etc. Please support our fur industry here as it is eco friendly and will be far better than the unacceptable use of poisons going into our environment and waterways.

[@tristanstone4272]

If it is freezing temps that folks live in fur makes sense. I'd rather have competent police officers and more homeless shelters than more fur bans.

[@farahjanine]

Complicated topic like most … I think fur is still better than plastic BUT it should be a fair fur! Animals have a right to life good! And there the problems are coming in. To expensive, not worth it for most people. Needs a changing in mind.

[@Odd-Vegan-Singing-TFOL]

Yes! We can kill someone innocent fairly! (Not)

[@graham1034]

As far as I know there is no synthetic alternative that can compete with goose down for some use cases. For example, down sleeping bags. This video was full of commentary from anti-fur / animal rights groups so it's hard to trust their assertions about the full lifecycle environmental impact of fur compared to the equivalent synthetic alternative. My gut feeling is that synthetic is probably better but the increased lifespan of natural fur may be enough to make it better. Would be great to hear from more neutral sources.

[@Adrian_M]

Also synthetics degrade faster and turn into microplastics which are bad for the environment, so you have to replace synthetic shoes every 3-6 months compared to leather ones which can last 3-6 years. Leather and fur are durable so they might be better for the environment long term.

[@keithkirui7008]

The oil industry will not stop...they are everywhere

[@TheBarefoottedGardener]

A part of this conversation worth exploring is Indigenous peoples and their fur usage. Any ban on fur automatically affects Indigenous peoples and their trades, so there isn't an easy answer that doesn't destroy their livelihoods and traditions. Many of them practice fairly ethical trapping and killing techniques as well.

[@DWPlanetA]

Thanks for the insight Suchiththa! Could you maybe expand a bit more on what you mean by "ethical trapping and killing techniques"?

[@Orangelionfur]

Many of them also use fur from farms. I’ve seen a lot of Inuit seamstresses use farmed fox fur in their beautiful creations. Proper tanning is rare up north, most of the fur is imported.

[@TheBarefoottedGardener]

@@DWPlanetA Ok, I posted a reply to this a few week ago and it's disappeared. let's try again. I'm not the best person to ask about this, obviously, your best resource is speaking to actual Indigenous trappers and speaking to a wide range of them. On the techniques themselves, I am admittedly relatively unfamiliar, but they tend to use "certified humane traps". A company I am familiar with is Aurora Heat, they use Beaver Fur in their products and have a whole page on their sustainable practices. One aspect of Beaver fur is managing their easily overpopulated, well, populations. So, some Indigenous people see it as good wildlife and land management to use Beaver. They also use the whole animal with no waste. Like I said, it's best to ask them directly.

[@sheenawarecki92]

I don't think fur in itself is inherently bad or evil, but it's human greed that causes a problem. My family is Native American and many indigenous tribes and people's have ways to cure hides and pelts with less dangerous chemicals and the garments are made to last and repaired and can last generations. I think when done correctly in this way, respecting the planet and animals fur can be a wonderful thing. However things being left to greed and unregulated is the problem not just with furs and leathers but many things in the world. I'm not a huge fan of faux fur because of the microplastics issue and the carbon footprint of creation, and even recycled pieces still have concerns about the process to recycle them but also the fact they will still inevitably break down into micro plastics. Honestly if they did something like the lab grown meat and leather but for fur, where it's process to make it was environmentally low and didn't have the plastics issue etc, that would be such a wonderful solution at least imo! The last thing I will say is it's a bad idea to ban fur, because anytime something is banned, humans will still seek it out but than it won't be regulated and cause more problems because of it. We have so many examples of this being a thing :(. If it was more heavily regulated we could work to make things like the impacts of fur farms and the conditions for the animals so much better!

[@itzsleazy6903]

Good vid but why on Earth would you think "gigagrams" is a useful measurememt vs kilograms which is the most commonly used?????

[@FlorinArjocu]

Was thinking the same, who on Earth measures in millions of grams when we have kg and tons?

[@meyer6891]

Gigagram=1 ton, but gigagram sounds bigger. That's being misleading

[@johnwt7333]

I don't know about fur but I refuse to wear synthetic clothes. Never. I'd rather die than let my skin touch that garbage.

[@ivan55599]

l like fur, when l see it from self reliant perspective - l can make my clothes by myself, and not be dependent on some high tech factory product (by high tech l mean anything that l cannot produce by myself). Also solution to fur factory problem: make them illegal. Then you need to get mink furs from nature - then fur prices will rise, and trappers will get proper payment for their mink hunts (in some countries mink fur isn't even worth of trapping). And then local fauna thanks for removing invasive species.

[@masterphoenixpraha]

well, from history point of view - fur saved the civilization, otherwise none of us would be here if our ancestors froze to death... Today we have some alternatives, but even as mentioned in this video - their origin is debatable too... and as the russian lady made the remark in the end - why fur only, why not meat, why not leather. My opinion would not be very popular in this audience, but i think - leather, meat, fur are part of us, part of our history and legacy. there just has to be more sustainable way found...

[@marijana4502]

Faux fur takes 10000s of years to decompose since it’s made out of polyester (aka PLASTIC) , polluting the planet with landfill. But real fur is a natural fibre and will biodegrade. My personal preference is to not wear fur though. I would feel too guilty. Instead I opt for cashmere, shearling coats and other wools in the wintertime

[@nicolobragagnolo558]

Hi from Italy 🇮🇹 So… here we don’t have cold winters 🥶… but I’ve got four fur coats (two mink cape: one sapphire short, one black and cachemire long; one gray mink bomber jacket and a brown fox coat) I really love the aesthetic of this items… I used only furs who I inherited buy my mother, I spend a “little” because the modification but I saved from trash precious materials and any animals died for me… I think reused fashion is the right way for the environment, we have so much stuff in ours houses…. We really don’t need any new clothes… Finally: Polyester equals petroleum and it’s takes ages for decompose… It’s really a good choice for earth?

[@HarrisPilton789]

I watch street style videos in Milan. I frequently see women walking around wearing cute mink jackets and coats. I love it!

[@alinecvns]

Sick

[@waleededoo6134]

Kind of a bad analogy to say astronauts do not use fur in their suits. Those suits do more than keep them warm.

[@maksrambe3812]

That’s true, but the problem with that analogy is that we feel cold on earth from cold air convecting our body heat away, which does not happen in the vacuum of space. The vacuum in effect provides insulation to the astronaut, and in fact space suits have a liquid cooled underlay to remove body heat.

[@palmtree_]

What's the difference between farming animal for their fur or for meat?

[@FlorinArjocu]

None, but would be ideal to have both at the same time, no waste.

[@philipb2134]

10:36 "We go to pace. Our astronauts don't wear fur, do they?" That is the most stupid comment I have come across on YR in a long time. Of course they don't: fur is not airtight. No fur clothing will ever cost as much as a space suit - which, in effect, is a space vehicle in the shape of a human being.

[@Lucas-gz4rb]

Real fur is fashionable, aesthetic, warm, natural, sustainable and ecofriendly. best material ever.

[@jaridkeen123]

Why cant we have Fur but a small market where its harvested from Wild Animals at a substantial rate. I still say Fur is better than Plastic

[@petershaw8237]

Lmao this is like saying why can't we just have meat from happy animals that live on big lands or are wild... It's simply not possible

[@RanRayu]

@@petershaw8237 oh i dont know, the pigs i eat always seem very happy when i go to the farmer and play with them on my way to pick up the sausages made from their family and friends.

[@x_Degurechaff_x]

@@RanRayu one thing. Economy of scale.

[@RanRayu]

@@x_Degurechaff_x what of it? it has nothing to do with someone saying its impossible to get meat from happy animals that live freely on a large farm, and me giving an example of that very thing happening.

[@x_Degurechaff_x]

@@RanRayu it has a lot to do with it. Sure there are happy farms like this but to feed the global population this farming model is not efficient at all and would take too much space. That's what i wanted to say.

[@Lucas-gz4rb]

Faux fur is tacky, plestic, toxic and sweaty. I would never buy it.

[@arturomansour-hull930]

I wear real fur. My favorite fur is wolverine.

[@somecat22]

Any and all forms of animal farming should be scaled back dramatically. Just isn't sustainable for billions of people. In terms of this video, more innovation is needed in this field. Microplastic is not the answer either.

[@meyer6891]

"Billions of people" is not the problem, that's what some powers want you to believe in order to prevent you from questioning our extractive systems.

[@dusan19377]

Nothing can ever replace natural fur. I had a chance to visit local Russian fur marketplace and it's just amazing the quality of the fox, lynx and wild cat furs. Fur coats look amazing, they last long and they are keeping warmth. Norway is great example on this natural and fake fur difference. In South of Norway, they use artificial materials as boots but the more you travel north, the only way to keep your feet warm is to use seal fur boots. Aaaand there you go...

[@tyroneharrison84]

Fur is amazing. Keep making fur coats.

[@yekaterinanaida3563]

I’m from Siberian region, and we always wear fur too mostly because it’s very warm. However, many women buy it just because of status and because it looks luxury. There are so many alternatives to fur jackets that can resist very low temperatures. It’s so embarrassing that many people still don’t understand the impact of fur industry on our environment. Thank you for the video!

[@Canvas73120]

@Sisaac 20 hope u need to see it again.

[@g.rodriguez7445]

I love leather, and in my area an active fur trade exists!

[@sariela_063]

I may sound cruel but I'd rather use animal fur than synthetic fur. Not only because of the feeling and the ability to hold me warmer but also because it's better for the enviroment

[@aaronj2913]

I have a used shearling coat. I only wear it when it is exceedingly cold. The coat is older than me. As long as I keep it in tact a along as possible, I see nothing wrong with it

[@jameslooker4791]

I do worry about the effects of microplastic pollution from faux fur getting into waterways. Faux fur garments certainly don't age well either. The most exclusive fashion brands should focus on ethically hunted invasive fur. There is a legitimate need to create a market for animals products from invasive fur-bearing species, and reusing decades old fur is a very interesting tactic to remain ethical. Beavers in Argentina and Nutria in Louisiana won't be eliminated without a strong fur industry and strong government support for hunting and trapping. The only alternative to extremely aggressive hunting is CRISPR viruses, and the technology hasn't even matured yet, not to mention the ethical resistance to CRISPR. The European fur industry is probably dead for good. We might see a resurgence of fur in Europe with trapped mink and raccoons as part of green fashion, but that will probably stay restricted to Scandinavian fashion. Russia consumed most of Europe's fur, and I doubt the existing industry can survive without it. Carcasses should always be handled hygienically and then processed into dog food. I'm surprised this is such a big problem.

[@bilgyno1]

It's time to recognise the fact that the fashion industry is based on wasteful and polluting principles. From the designers to the magazines and the shops: the whole industry needs to undergo a mental revolution to make sustainability the core principle. And as a start, the industry could halve its output

[@KarlosEPM]

Your last remark is key. Few have mentioned consumerism as one of the main problems. Both natural and synthetic can last more than "a season" .

[@P4hko]

So the conclusion is fur is good but mink farms is bad. Nothing bad about using what's already there like sheep, cow skins and wild animals.

[@timberwolfe1645]

I.......DON'T.....think Fur is a problem if worn for warmth. The problem I see is fashion and buying multiple coats. I would only need 1 and the high quality would last me ten years

[@Herkan97]

Ten years? That's not very long, are you often ripping on your coat to make it degrade faster? It should last at least a few decades, maybe even a century.

[@ristekostadinov2820]

My mom is working with sheep fur, it's interesting how sheepskin coats aren't that popular (they stopped producing them over a decade ago). They mostly produce slippers.

[@ThePongox]

What is about „hunted fur“? Hunters are „Fighters“ against e.g. racoons in Europe to protect wild animals. Not using this fur in my opinion is unethical and waste of reaources.

[@officer_baitlyn]

a bit one-sided l even if i personally don't own any fur I would rather go for a good real fur jacket and keep using it for a very long time than getting something that's not as much of a classic and looks beat up in 5years or so

[@nathanbenit3586]

Somehow, this topic never crossed my path. Thank you for covering this! Very interesting!

[@Orangelionfur]

The footage of enclosures you show is 99% Chinese. I know this because I’ve visited many fur farms and I know the law. I wrote my thesis on it! The cages are not legal in Europe.

[@RanRayu]

i dont like fur farms, but fur itself isnt a bad thing. if a hunter uses every part of the hunted animals that does include the pelt, so if they make a nice coat out of that its fine. but alot of animal activists are ignorant and think all fur comes from fur farms and alot does, but not all of it. over the years ive had plenty of coats made from animals my local hunters shot, and often ive had to deal with morons thinking it came from fur farms and trying to destroy my coat. and no, i dont use em for fashion, i dont do fashion cause i only wear clothes that i find comfortable and offer good protection from the weather, no matter what they look like.

[@xxmountaindewxx7893]

I own a fur cap and an equivalent one with fake fur, and I must say, the one made of real fur is just way warmer. I've owned it for many years and avoid buying anything made of fur by now

[@ThandiUni]

I personally don't like the fur industry but I do own a second hand sheepskin jacket (it was made in the 60's) which I love. I have no problem with second hand fur as it stops it going to landfill. But I'd love to hear others opinion. Would you buy second hand?

[@miriana3679]

I do not like the look actually, but I think fur should be bought only second hand! Those animal are having the worst life for something so futile as a “””beautiful””” coat.

[@dearhunter7206]

@@miriana3679 what about second use as a sheep's skin coat would only be a by product of farming them from meat. Just like if a rabbit was shot for meat then used as fur it would be lea of an ethics problem..

[@Mark-eb2jc]

Why would we want to get rid of it, it’s nice

[@Simpaulme]

Doesn't seem to be about 'Fur is Back', but that fur never went away, for some?

[@DWPlanetA]

In Russia, recycled fur is seeing an upswing, and fur has become more and more popular in China in the past years!

[@bugfeatures]

That animals suffer for human convinience will not change that easily. But what drives me mad is how wasteful it is. If you have a cow, it has meat for consumption, bones for gelatin, skin for leather. But they burning the dead skinned minsk? Why, i am pretty sure their meat can at least be used for cat food. If people can't stop them self from using animals, than at least make the most use out of it.

[@robertkacala]

My sheep coat is 20 years old and fashionable …my Gore-Tex didn't last 5 years...how about your plastic coat?

[@joshlarue6304]

I’m helping my wife learn her culture and fur is a part of it! Luckily I hunt so we now have a reason to utilize everything on the animal

[@BestBarty]

Not even complicated, the Russian lady said everything as long as there is consumption of meat, leather, fur would be there. I do agree that fur needs to be banned in countries when there is no need to have warm clothings like California, Spain, etc. But banning it in Russia? Nope, my mom has a fur coat that looks perfect even after 20 years of having it. And it still looks awesome, so yeah it is sustainable as you can wear it in generations

[@jacquesmassicotte9384]

Why should fur be banned "in countries when there is no need to have warm clothings like California, Spain, etc". Who are you to decide what should be or should not be banned? What next, "cotton should be banned where it is not grown!". The is a word for someone deciding what other people should or should not do, it is called fascism.

[@BestBarty]

@@jacquesmassicotte9384 well I mean you do keep in mind fur implies dead animals, so why would we kill animals if there is no necessity?

[@BestBarty]

@@jacquesmassicotte9384 and comparing cotton where animals do not get killed with fur is a bit overreach

[@angelroca5625]

Fur does have one huge advantage, when it gets wet it does not lose it’s warmth

[@edyann]

My vanity is not worth their pain.

[@lesgibson969]

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[@edyann]

@@lesgibson969 ❤

[@chris-2496]

Most women would quickly forget the pain of animals when gifted a beautiful fur coat.

[@edyann]

@@chris-2496 Not this woman. I'm vain- not going to deny it. I like to take care of myself and also love to wear makeup. But again- it's not worth it if it's going to inflict pain to others. All my makeup is cruelty free. Again and again- it's not worth their pain.

[@sbffsbrarbrr]

@@chris-2496 Absolutely not. There is nothing beautiful about fur. That gift would be immediately cut up and donated as bedding to an animal shelter.

[@krazieman69]

Fur is much better than producing more plastic

[@jorgea.garzav4650]

Have ever someone made some environmental impact comparative between real and faux like they made with plastic and textile bags? I've seen every day more shoes and boots without leather, and shoes are something that can last many months; In some industries leather is the way, because plant based and sinthetics don't usually fit the task, and there, a leather outfit (apron, long gloves, boots) for a blacksmith can only endure a few weeks (Two notes: I consider leather is related with fur and I live in a warm place where not many people can or want to pay for real leather or fur).

[@lesliefish4753]

Fur-bearing animals are part of the ecosystem too, and farmed fur incorporates well into permaculture farming. Instead of burning the skinned carcasses, process them into high-quality compost. And yes, fur is the most efficient material for warm-weather clothing. Sorry, PETA.

[@johnnyboyvan]

I love furs. Wear them if you like. Who cares? As you get older nobody should care. To hell with stupid people. Love them. All young people here in Canada have fur trimmed jackets and coats and don't give a rat's ass. So beautiful.

[@LongLostYellowRanger]

I love fur coats! They're beautiful and incredibly warm!

[@dirikimiller1026]

I personally love for an exotic skins and the synthetic alternative I really think that it's going to have a similar impact just like fast fashion has it's going to contribute to ruining the environment we're unnatural for made from a real animal is a product that will last you a lifetime and it will not have such a heavy impact on the environment in any way to wear real fur or to wear synthetic for or any synthetic alternative should be a matter of personal choice it should not be something that you should legislate against it shouldn't be any laws made to ban real for that's like saying that I can't have a hamburger or a steak or any meat because a person decides for me that eating meat is wrong and I shouldn't have me because it's wrong that's my personal decision to eat meat if I want to eat meat just like it should be a personal decision to wear for or to design using real for if that's what I choose to do so for it doesn't have the same impact it's not as luxurious and it doesn't feel the same as a real fur it just doesn't defer industry should fight back against all of this

[@zanehanson9531]

An extremely renewable resource and source of income for many men and woman and there's no reason to not harvest animals in a humane way where numbers of fur bearers are healthy

[@ryptoll4801]

I've always loved fur clothing but I've never had much of it. I live in Sweden so not nearly as cold as Russia, but we do get some rather chilly winters, and I'm just the type of person who feels really cold even in higher temperatures. So I need proper cold weather clothing even when it's just barely at freezing point. I also feel uncomfortable in synthetic materials because they don't breathe, they're itchy, get static, etc, so I always go for natural materials as much as possible. Then after comfort I also care about looking good, and things being affordable. This means although I prefer fur for a winter coat, over fake fur, modern fully synthetic jackets or even down jackets (because the outer material tends to be synthetic) I only buy fu coats thrifted and not a lot. I've tried fake fur jackets before and essentialy every kind of winter coat style known to man, but they're all either massively uncomfortable to wear or simply not warm enough. I only have one fur coat that I recently bought from a thrift store. I dunno for sure what animal it comes from but probably mink or other similar animal, and the coat is vintage. I get that there's a problem with the whole industry involved in making new fur clothing, but I don't have any moral qualms with buying thrifted fur. Then you're essentially just taking on what someone else discarded. But I think I'd feel bad buying a newly made fur garment. So that's how I navigate around that. Like I get that fur clothing is highly controversial. It has been for a long time. The first few times I got shit for liking fur clothing was something close to 20 years ago, from my angry vegan friends.

[@zacksmacks]

I won’t stop wearing fur. Stopping the production of fur is like stopping the production of meat and it’s a bit hypocritical how we give priorities to some animals over others

[@EbonyJoneskuye]

Animals were made for humans to survive ... this is silly!

[@daviddonald4397]

Why were there no English subtitles when the woman being interviewed was speaking in Russian?? I would have liked to know what she was saying.

[@brendanwalsh3354]

turn on closed captions! I was wondering the same thing

[@leahhoward7645]

I would rather wear real fur than fake fur because it’s biodegradable, but I only buy second hand/vintage fur and leather clothing, better to save a garment than to produce a new one.

[@ravenraven964]

The fur is still gonna go on in the slavic countrys no matter what, and takeing it away from western countrys will drive the desire for it up

[@Dakiniwoman]

I just bought an Arctic Fox fur coat... I think it is great to wear real furs... I have about 16 wonderful fur coats. I would buy a faux fur if it was beautiful, but I have not seen any that are appealing. If you want to buy fur from edible animals... well, rabbit fur is also beautiful.

[@Ahalya190]

Why do you need so many coats? It’s so unsustainable and wasteful lol

[@Dakiniwoman]

@@Ahalya190 Why does anyone need so many clothes at all? Well I just sold two of my Fox coats... no I don't need so many coats but they are never wasted, they are cherished and appreciated and always with a great deal of respect and love for the animals who provided them. In fact, they are the most natural of materials to warm our bodies. the first garments were made from animal skins...

[@sieglinde_]

This makes me wanna buy a fur coat

[@CriticalofOnions]

Honestly I used to think this but now that I've actually worn it I love fur!!! I own a few fur articles myself. It doesn't have to be new fur, you can buy vintage fur that's decades old; it's made to be durable. Idk, maybe I'm a little vain but I love wrapping myself up in a huge floor length fur coat ❤

[@wilfdarr]

It's back because plastic is terrible for the environment and fur is a renewable resource. What to do about it? Embrace it.

[@alphonsobutlakiv789]

So long as something eats the mink, and the mink got some time outside, I don't think fur is wrong, but just burning the mink sounds like a huge waste. Can nothing we eat or feed use mink meat?

[@Orangelionfur]

They are fed to other animals! They aren’t burned, the video is wrong

[@trumpthelegend6357]

What is the difference between fur and leather?

[@jacquesmassicotte9384]

Hair, it is removed in leather.

[@Lalitajanette]

I am unsure about fur but I won't judge people based on what they wear. Everyone has their own reason and no one should justify or shame other people's reason but I am sure to say a big no to faux fur. It creates another problem purely for the look, it does not even solve the problem for people who live in a cold climate. I think if we consume everything consciously until it ended value and don't throw away things easily because it is cheap to start with, the less problem we will have. If I own fur or come across used high-quality fur I will use them and honor their life without feeling guilty but that is just my view.

[@Dakiniwoman]

Natural fur is a one of the best materials for warm garments. I love all my 14 fur coats and jackets... I would not wear fake fur...

[@RizztrainingOrder]

Why aren’t there ever any fur protesters in the Arctic circle? If there were, what would they wear?