The Problem with Putting Race First: Open Therapy with Andrew Hartz

In the 7th installment of the Open Therapy Podcast series, Andrew and I discuss how the heavy prioritization of race may impact individuals and social dynamics.
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[@Clem62]

I feel privileged to have found Leslie and the great guests she has on. I know for certain that it would be a privilege to have Leslie or Andrew as a therapist.

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

Yes!! I first noticed the racial psychodrama in the movie "The Black Panther" a few years back- the subtext of "powerful black person being benevolent/forgiving to white person even though they didn't have to be" Andrew is SO spot on. Once you see you can't un-see it.

[@Lumbergh42]

I'd love to hear you talk to Dr. Ettensohn from the Heal NPD channel, he has a wonderfully nuanced perspective on narcissism that isn't just useful to find closure with regard to a past relationship, but that also makes it easier for narcissists to recognize themselves as such while enabling others to have some empathy for them instead of just seeing them as monsters to play tricks on or discard entirely. One interesting tidbit is that Narcissus apparently didn't know that what he was falling in love with was a reflection of himself. Narcissists use other people as mirrors, but unconsciously. They might claim to love or hate you, but really they love or hate how you reflect them. The common narrative is instead that narcissists deliberately love bomb you and then devalue you because they are evil manipulators, which is only half the story. The most well known presentation of narcissism is overt grandiosity, but most have never heard of the other possible combinations of overt/covert and grandiose/vulnerable that are all part of narcissism as well.

[@laurenholt269]

What a great conversation. One so many of us want to have and are afraid to have in so many spaces. Thank you!! For the record, too, when I was in counseling school, I was told the same thing, Leslie. It was all about race, all the time. My whiteness ultimately ended my future as a counseling student. I would love to talk to Andrew about these issues in counselor/therapist education sometime

[@cestmoi4532]

Leslie, it is such a gift, these conversations you share. Thank you so much!

[@theradicalcenter]

That's really lovely to hear- thank you for the positive feedback 🙏

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

The Radical Center full playlist of Dr. Andrew Hartz and there many discussions 👉 www.youtube.com/@theradicalcenter/search?query=andrew%20hartz . Always such pleasant conversations with many great insights on the madness within the world we see to day and then trying to make sense of it all

[@georginawhitby1320]

Thank you

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@georginawhitby1320 🤗

[@cestmoi4532]

Ninja Kitty, I love how you amplify this work. ❤

[@erichamilton3373]

What a fascinating talk. Thank you! I'm an American who moved abroad in 1992. I see this all from a distance, and this racialization process is very evident especially when I compare it to the US of the 70s and 80s. Dr. Hartz was rigjht when he said that once you notice it you can't un notice it.

[@naturalexplorer]

Fascinating discussion. Liked the depth. Thank You.

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

If you google "Oscar DEI Guidlelines for Casting" there are EXPLICIT rules for how you can cast a film and have it still be eligible for Oscar consideration. X number of people of this class, Y number of that class etc.

[@theradicalcenter]

Holy cow, this is just one section: "To achieve Standard A, the film must meet ONE of the following criteria: A1. Lead or significant supporting actors At least one of the lead actors or significant supporting actors is from an underrepresented racial or ethnic group. • Asian • Hispanic/Latinx • Black/African American • Indigenous/Native American/Alaskan Native • Middle Eastern/North African • Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander • Other underrepresented race or ethnicity"

[@helenablavatsky9136]

💥💥💥💥💥

[@zacharyclark3693]

Interesting discussion. I’ve been watching old films/tv shows from the 90s and early 2000s. You can find a lot of representation and diversity there, so the idea that it’s never been there isn’t quite true. And those movies didn’t get any publicity or backlash for their casting (at least not to the scale we see today). Now it is being pushed as a priority. I wonder if we notice it more because of the push to highlight diversity. If it was done without the fanfare or divisive language, would it be as controversial?

[@cestmoi4532]

I especially loved the Hays/Haze kerfuffle. I totally thought the same thing as Leslie. Also: identity as self-image. That makes it all the more painful to try and impose identity politics on others, it's just not reasonable.

[@jonathanrandall4140]

There is an example of how a very high profile professional in the therapy world has been made an example of by the powers that be: Dr. Jordan Peterson is being compelled by the College of Psychologists of Ontario to take "remedial social training", lest he loses his license to practice

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

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