The Problem With Super Meat Boy Forever

Alright. Let's talk about the long awaited...sequel? to Super Meat Boy.
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[@KingKlonoa]

So what you're saying is... maybe I should finally get around to playing Super Meat Boy?

[@captainweird1822]

The fact you haven't already is concerning

[@gillythekid]

........bro.

[@rohaankhawaja5727]

im not mad just dissappointed

[@Helicopter7]

*play it now.*

[@sociallyawkard5675]

I wish they would port I wanna be the guy

[@MissAshley42]

This problem has affected the indie space for a while now. Nothing kills my desire to play a game faster than hearing the level design isn't handcrafted. I know algorithmic generation doesn't necessarily mean "lazy," but it does make me feel like I'm fighting a computer, not an environment.

[@Dr_Dan_]

the levels was made by people, and the computer collect random pieces together

[@glasssoup7549]

Like Dr. Dan said. They're made of handcrafted pieces. and very well design too. Videos like this spread misinformation.

[@Cloiss_]

@Censorship's For Pussies As a massive fan of Spelunky who has over 500 hours in it, the difference here is that Meat Boy is a pure platformer, while Spelunky's difficulty lies more in its enemies.

[@huangkeqi8263]

It is handcrafted. just putted together randomly.

[@huangkeqi8263]

@Censorship's For Pussies IT IS INDEED HANDCRAFTED. HOW MANY TIME SHOULD I SAY THAT EACH SMALL SECTION IS EQUIVALENT TO A LEVEL IN SUPER MEAT BOY?

[@JohnDoe-kv3kd]

The problem always is if you give a game the same title and make a game that looks so similar to the original game it’s almost impossible not to have the same expectations if not far higher. I think the fact there was such a long period of time between when they talked about it six years ago and it finally coming out didn’t help at all. It’s no cyberpunk 2077 but I do think they did themselves no favors at all.

[@domskillet5744]

I actually really prefer the art style in the first game as well. The shapes in this game are excessively pronounced with bold outlines, and are awkwardly separated, and thus look and feel very static and artificial. It looks like an IOS game like Angry Birds, and has a more kid-friendly look about it. The original had a subtle naturalism and grittiness to its art design that seems completely lost here.

[@moltengears7483]

No offence but i think that opinion is just from nostalgia. The original looked kinda bad tbh

[@domskillet5744]

@@moltengears7483 I'd compare it to how Spongebob evolved over time. Original Super Meat boy is like Spongebob season 2 whereas forever is like season 6. Yes technically 6 looks better but it lacks the charm and natural feeling of the earlier seasons.

[@emi_1337]

Super Meat Boy isn't Super Meat Boy without Edmund McMillen...

[@wes788411]

The End is Nigh shows who the real genius behind Super Meat Boy is.

[@Fuzunga]

Meat Boy Forever was originally a mobile game, and I played a version of that at PAX back in 2015 when Edmund McMillen was still involved. It was terrible. Back then, the level regenerated every time you died, and the controls were already impossibly difficult because it was played on a touch screen. At least what we ended up with was better than that!

[@anarkuu]

@@Fuzunga then again that was over 6 years ago

[@pirilon78]

@@Fuzunga thats what alphas are for tho. Dont treat it like Edmund would have kept that

[@benshapirohamburgerhelper1239]

There is no smb 3 on the horizon. The devs poured everything they had into SMBF and now they're taking a break and then they'll decide their next project. You should join the team meat discord, they're pretty transparent ab this kind of stuff there.

[@viledestroyerx8441]

I think it depends on how this game does, and although I love it, I don’t see it doing well

[@succ5666]

@@viledestroyerx8441 tommy said he might have plans for forever if the game goes well (which it looks like it’s not doing). If the game doesn’t do well then tommy might drop forever and work one something else. We need to wait until it comes out on everything else before we can truly say if it’s a bust or not. It’s a real shame that it’s not getting the attention it deserves because it really does looked like they tried their damnest to make a good game (which it is).

[@octagone.]

There is a secret cutscene at the end of the credits, you can go ahead and look it up yourself but it says Fetus will return.

[@Jax-go9es]

@@octagone. spoilers!!!

[@cosmicspacething3474]

TBF many people don’t even know the game is out yet it’s only been a few days

[@jyjori]

This game is good, but it would be better without the auto-run

[@shinmagatsu0113]

Unpopular Opinion: I actually prefer the auto run, I think it adds to the puzzles and difficulty and is a turn for the better

[@echooo_yt]

@@shinmagatsu0113 I think that too, I think the game would be worst without auto runner and i think it would be less intresting to just make another plateformer

[@mayday-tz4dv]

@Lawlzilla we got a psychic here ladies and gents.

[@bruxtle]

But the game is bulit around the auto run mechanic

[@SquinkyEXE]

@@shinmagatsu0113 It's artificial. It's only more difficult because you can't humanly react to the layout of certain segments. The challenge seems more like one of trial and error/memorization than one of actual mechanical skill. Maybe some people prefer that. I'm certainly not one of them.

[@pwnswoggle]

The lead designer of the original Meat Boy and Isacc, Edmund McMillen left Team Meat and didn't work on this game and it shows.

[@mayday-tz4dv]

By still creating a good game?

[@pwnswoggle]

@@mayday-tz4dv Didn't say the game isn't good but if you watch the video the biggest criticism is because of the level design.

[@challengerjakku1943]

I gave it a shot but its just such a departure from the original I can't bare myself to even enjoy it, when it comes to the presentation and the humor its everything I wanted. The Auto run aspect just kills it for me which is a shame since it turns a precision platformer into an RNG type of hitting your head into a wall. Especially during the boss fights, this mainly occurred during the brain that throws shards of glass at you yet on several occasions in that fight the game placed me into a position where I had no other alternative but to die. It didn't matter how fast I reacted at some points the Auto run and lack of control placed me into positions where the game only could kill me with no way to mediate that. It turns what was a fantastic yet fair challenge into a game of mere trial and error, when the game kills you through no fault of your own because of a gimmick that is where I draw the line personally because it doesn't make it fun, it makes it a chore and a grind to play till the game puts you into a position where you can succeed. Compare this to the original in which every death was a mistake you made because of how precise the controls were, it motivates you to overcome every challenge as you can see where you went wrong and overtime you improve your skill and proficiency in controlling Meat Boy.

[@nikitachumachenko3412]

"Every playthrough is procedurally generated" You can't look at a speedrun community for this game and say with a straight face that's a good decision

[@xwtek3505]

It's bad only because Super Meat Boy is a precision platformer. Gamers do love procedurally generated playthrough for some genre like casual puzzle and roguelike. What they have in common is that you are supposed to face the unfamiliar. Playing the same puzzle multiple times is boring and playing the exact same playthrough of roguelike game is missing the point of roguelike. On the other hand, you are supposed to replay SMB level multiple times to learn how not to die and later optimize your run.

[@thepixeler1869]

Its a fucking autorunner, i think thats more of the speedrunner deterrent

[@exetone]

It's mostly an issue because it's a Meat Boy game. Yknow, a game made with speedrunning specifically in mind

[@nikitachumachenko3412]

@@rendumguy7596 how do you justify procedural generation from game design standpoint exactly?

[@bulb9970]

The speedrunner issue is exactly what I thought when watching this

[@PixelSprixie]

It's odd but I personally consider The End is nigh to be a proper spiritual successor to Super meat boy, it actually feels like an evolved experience of SMB and has that fun tricky precision platforming that worked so well in it without just being a direct copy. Forever feels more spin off like, not bad by any means but just not 10 years worth of waiting for.

[@ISTAREINURSOL]

wait... "super meat boy forever" sounds a lot like... - long development cycle - was given bad reception - has "forever" at the end of the title *SOUNDS A LOT LIKE DUKE NUKEM FOREVER TO ME CHAMP*

[@MaksOSTR]

The ieony isnt lost on them they even mentioned in the steam page. Dont use the word forever in title ita haunted

[@spencerk3009]

Reading some of these other comments I’m scared to admit I’ve never played Super meat boy I did platinum the End is Nigh on ps4 though to be fair

[@ethanblair7351]

you should play it super meat boy is amazeing and difficult I almost one hundred percent the game get it if you can

[@therealgboi3895]

@@ethanblair7351 i cant even 100% salt factory :(

[@unclegrandpagaming165]

It’s a great game, it’s a change up from the first game in terms of art style, music, graphics & gameplay, it’s a different beast, but it isn’t as impactful as the original.

[@peacefulskies9320]

I agree. It's not as bad to the point where the first game is bad.

[@Helicopter7]

Have not played it yet but it’s looks pretty great so far of what I’ve seen January edit: So I played most of the game and I’m currently on the last world and the game is AMAZING great soundtrack, gameplay, story, and S tier visuals overall pretty good!

[@emilizlim1802]

if it had been released a few years earlier maybe it would've had more impact

[@unclegrandpagaming165]

The game got endlessly delayed and by the time it came out all the hype for it was gone

[@mrhaci7747]

I dont like auto runner

[@Antonio_Ortiz]

You hit the nail on the head about why I don't care for Rouge-lites and auto-generated levels: rarely do they have tightly-crafted sequences whose layouts all feel purposeful, more often challenges feel unbalanced and other elements are lacking or overcompensating.

[@garrettvandenberg2031]

There’s definitely a spectrum when it comes to the level of thought that goes into various rogue lite level chunks. These certainly felt a lot more intentional than many I’ve played.

[@ceej5690]

theres only a couple good rougelikes. and thats ones that actively take advantage of the fact they are easily replayable. They are often designed to be short pick up and play games, Usually averaging around 30 minutes - 1 hour for a run. Designed to be balls hard but easy to start new runs and improve your knowledge of the game. While adding new things to the mix to make sure you never get bored while learning it. Stuff like Gungeon and Isaac (Ironically). Doing full games that are randomly generated like this don't work well.

[@garrettvandenberg2031]

@@ceej5690 most of these critiques are general and in a general sense make s lot of sense, but when it comes down to the actual game SMB Forever I feel like they fall kinda flat. These don’t feel like boring generic procedurally generated levels, they feel just like a ton of levels in a game that normally would have a lot fewer, resulting in a really interesting play and replay experience to me. I do love Gungeon, though. Still haven’t picked up Isaac yet, but hopefully it’ll go on sale evebtually

[@steel5897]

I like rogue-lites and procedural generation, but NOT for platformers. Obstacle platforming is essentially made up of tightly constructed sets of elements for you to navigate and master. Platforming is very similar to playing music, at its best it's rhythmic and cathartic. Procedural generation is basically the antithesis to that, it's wholly incompatible. Procedural generation shines in games with more emergent and free-form gameplay, not tight obstacle platformers.

[@steel5897]

@@garrettvandenberg2031 I think it actually hurts replayability. In platformers, the joy of replayability comes from mastering the courses, and this is done by optimizing the levels until you can do perfect runs from muscle memory, which is not possible when levels are randomized.

[@gracismart]

After beating the game, I definitely can say I had a lot of fun with the game. Like, I unironically think it's in my top 5 games of the year. The game improves so much as you go on, because solutions become more well thought out and complex. I think levels feel more well crafted as you go forward, although I do think the random generation can lead to weird difficulty spikes. I feel like a lot of people will discount the game for being an auto runner, but I think it was a really good and unique decision given how cool some of the later mechanics are, especially those from world 4.

[@ethanwhiteboy1344]

How long did it take you to beat it?

[@gracismart]

@@ethanwhiteboy1344 about 3 hours and 10 minutes, although I'm pretty experienced in the genre and platformers in general. It might take some people longer if they haven't played anything like it before. Overall though, it's a pretty short game, but there's a lot of extra content in the dark worlds and warp zones that I haven't gotten to yet.

[@BlackTenchu0]

I'm 16 hours in and I'm in love, I think the problem that many people have with the game is that they approch it with a Super Meat Boy mentallity when they really shouldn't, it's a different beast in a very intricate level, especially in level design, it's a lot like the problems many people have with Sekiro just because they don't want to approch it any different than Dark Souls

[@catsmoking6485]

@@MostlyLost i mean the end cut scene says that there IS another game coming of super meat boy

[@paulgerhard5170]

It’s my favorite game of the year on Switch

[@EX-Flashkick]

Concise and thought out video. Merry Christmas

[@mohammedabd3523]

2 things that they need to fix to make the game even better is 1. At least make the auto runner optional 2. Make it to where we can play every level in one world instead of 6 randomized levels. Those are the two changes I want outta this game. Then we’ll talk

[@etienvincent5488]

I played hundreds of hours speedrunning the original super meat boy and only played 3 on the end is nigh, because of the mechanics. I feel like SMBF is a way better successor to the original game because it keeps the same tense and fast pace gameplay. It even exacerbates it with the auto runner principle that forces people to have perfect timing and no time to breathe. About what you say about the random generation making the game and levels feel like there wasn't really a real intention behind them. I would disagree, i followed the devellopement process from a distance on their discord server and what came out of it is that, despite the sections of levels being randomly picked. These sections all belong to one specific level, having one main goal/feel/mechanic. We can mostly see that in the last part of the 3h long preview live on the Team Meat youtube channel. In this tommy shows the level editor and we can clearly see that behind each level are many examples of the same mechanic and idea, that will be indeed "randomly" put together. TLDR: i feel like the sense of togetherness of a level is more of a personal feeling that you get when playing than a real downside to the game.

[@GameGod77]

Wait this game was made without Ed Mcmillan?

[@anneprocter]

Yeah he left team meat years ago

[@HalfDayHero]

Yeah. When I heard this I decided not to bother with SMBF.

[@flaco3462]

Yeah he doesn't even own Meat Boy anymore like legally he isn't even allowed to use him in any of his creations anymore which is fucked up because meat boy's one of his sons basically

[@cry_stain]

@@flaco3462 but Meat Boy is referenced a ton in Isaac, how does that work?

[@flaco3462]

@@cry_stain this was before or maybe just references are allowed i dont know

[@robbykadobby]

if they made a super meat boy film or tv show, i would die of happiness and eagerness and excitement

[@ARCHIVED9610]

used to hatee this idea but itd be kinda cute here

[@Chris-wq3pe]

i'm so dissapointed the sequel is an endless runner. i absolutely loved the orginal game. But this....it removes so much control from the player amd forces you to RUSH everything. really bummed about this sequel.

[@Dr_Dan_]

@@iConformed endless runners are games where you don't have finish, in smbf you have an obvious finish

[@danielj8085]

That makes it fun imo.

[@jijigri9224]

The game isn't an endless runner tho. It has chapters, levels, and start and an end

[@jijigri9224]

@@iConformed It's an auto-runner Endless runner assume that the game is endless and procedurally generated, like Jetpack Joyride or Subway Surfers

[@jijigri9224]

@@iConformed To each their opinion, I think the game is great even with the auto-running, but it sure isn't for everyone

[@h0gheadS]

So weird how no mainstream gaming sites have reviewed this.

[@SquinkyEXE]

Not really. It's spin off of a cult hit platformer from like 10 years ago. Not exactly something that has mainstream popularity. On top of that it's a step down from the original. I think it's getting exactly the amount of attention that should be expected.

[@jumpbreak99]

@@SquinkyEXE aand no one even remembers or care about forever by now. thats how bad it was Lul

[@ARCHIVED9610]

@@jumpbreak99lmao yeaa

[@STRING3R]

I don't know what they were thinking when making it an autorunner

[@Helicopter7]

I think this game is honestly amazing! Great visuals, level design (mostly), music, and gameplay And tbh it’s the best autorunner out there in my opinion

[@STRING3R]

@@Helicopter7 Thats cool I'm glad you liked it, Its just not really what I wanted out of a sequel

[@garrettvandenberg2031]

Fair. I’m definitely enjoying it, but pitting it up against the first game as a “direct” sequel is maybe an imprudent move

[@tomatogenesis]

"The problem with Super Meat Boy Forever" Ehhhmm, let me guess, middle fingers?

[@steponkusceponas4085]

for me, the biggest problem is the longer levels. Everytime I quit in the middle of a level I've got to do all the difficult parts again which shouldn't happen in a game as hard as this, and the binkies are so frustrating to search for I gave up before trying.

[@aromedia4318]

Just found your channel, im bindging your videos now and loving it! Hope you had a merry chrismas and a happy new year!

[@SquinkyEXE]

Good old procedural generation. Always despised it in games. You just end up with a mess of mediocre designs with no coherency. Levels as a whole just feel like they were put together with no effort and that's because they were. It's made by an algorithm and it's doesn't really matter if the pieces were handcrafted when they don't fit well with each other. Just a really dumb and disappointing way to take the series in my opinion. At least we still have the original I guess...

[@100organicfreshmemes5]

It works fine when implemented well IMO, Spelunky and TBoI both do it well.

[@readifdumb]

@@100organicfreshmemes5 And almost any space game... Then there is also Minecraft, Terraria, every rogue-like, every rogue-lite, most ARPGs...

[@thescuttlebug9936]

Idk, super meat boy is my favorite game of all time and I’ve been nothing short of impressed with how forever’s levels are designed. They all use the auto running mechanic in really clever ways, especially once you hit chapter 6 dark world

[@danielj8085]

@Censorship's For Pussies Why not? It's a pretty great game.

[@danielj8085]

@Censorship's For Pussies It's really not ugly at all. It's actually quite fun. In fact I think it's much more fun than some recent Mario titles.

[@TheRealBlackSilenceTotally]

@Censorship's For Pussies Just let them like a game, man. What the hell?

[@catsmoking6485]

@Censorship's For Pussies if you think it is "plain" i can tell you did not play it every level has it is own mechanics and they fuse some of these mechanics in the end of every world before the boss

[@thesnatcher3616]

@@catsmoking6485 Don't listen to him. Just another bitter contrarian who can't stand indie games getting attention. It's people like them that kept the nintendo e shop from harboring indie games all those years ago.

[@jaykay8426]

Honestly, the level generator isn’t a problem. I think they actually handcraft the segments, rate their difficulties, and then use those for inputs to generate random levels. Essentially, they handcraft the pieces, and the algorithm puts it all together.

[@megasoniczxx]

The endless runner thing definitely put me off this game very fast admittedly but at the same time, I can see why the team wanted to do something different with this game since it would've been very easy for them to just make Meat Boy again but with different levels. I feel like I owe it to how much work they put into it to at least buy it and try it someday when it goes on sale since so many video game sequels are content with just doing the same thing again (but with worse results) without ever trying to shake up or improve on the things that were present in the original work so they have my respect for going this route while knowing full well they were going to put off a good portion of the fans from the original game.

[@vole7673]

For me, I loveeed the first game and I was super excited about the sequel. But the more I looked at it, the less interested I became. The levels just all looked the same and I really did not like the idea of it being an autorunner :/ hopefully we’ll get something more sequel like in the future

[@chrism1518]

I didn’t know Super Meat Boy Forever was going to be an Auto Runner before I bought it. Loved the OG and bought it without hesitation. Soon as I saw the Auto Running I turned it off, deleted the game, and refunded it.

[@Pc_98_Fan]

say what you want, but this game is amazing. I understand that it is not like the first but remember: we were almost to have a game for the phone

[@succ5666]

It really is a good game. I think people are having to high of expectations which makes sense because it’s SMB. People need to judge it more by what it offers than how long it took and it’s super meat boy 2 (which is not in my eyes).

[@SassyPaddy]

"we were almost to have a game for the phone" You're saying it like it would be a bad thing.

[@Pc_98_Fan]

@@SassyPaddy in fact it is! i'm happy Team Meat ditched the idea of a phone game, that would've been very dumb

[@succ5666]

@k ? this games is better than most people think it is. I hate when people say, “its an infinite runner” or “I see autorunner, I hate, bad game.” It fucking pisses me off when reviewers are saying this game is shit because its honestly not. I also hate that people will see this game and automatically assume its a bad game and will destroy others who think this game is good. It feels like the reviewers and people like I’m talking about are spiting at a game that they worked on for almost seven years plus a game that they scraped in 2017. They worked super hard on this game. Sure you only get three buttons but the way they mapped the controls is that you can have something like 20 different commands. Also, most chunks have a skip of some sort. It’s not as linear and simple as you think it is. This game is a sequel sure but its trying to be different and it works. You have to actually try the game and get through it in order to give a proper review. If you say its shit by that point, fine, at least you played through the game. Also, the cutscenes are amazing. Please just properly try the game before saying its shit and explained why its shit because team meat is hard at work at making a better game in the team meat discord.

[@moderategamer3333]

I had my fun during my initial playthrough however I did unfortunately skip 2 levels in the 5th world because there was two chunks I could not figure out how to get through. Normally, I would play the section at a slower pace in order to figure out what I’m doing wrong, but due to the auto run mechanic I’m not given that option thus I skipped. Beyond that the only other thing that bothered me was dying due to being unable to switch directions after a bad timed jump. In the original I could stop myself and adjust my momentum to land somewhere safe and think. I kind of did that a lot before I started to go for A + rank. Overall, I found forever to be a good meat boy experience. Presentation was beautiful and gameplay was still engaging and addictive when you start to achieve rhythm and flow. I still see the game as a spin-off though that still holds its own in the Super Meat Boy series.

[@JAY2SLIK10]

Just finished super meat boy, played a few levels from super meat boy forever.. so far im not really feeling it. It doesnt feel the same ig its cuz of the whole auto run thing idk what they were thinking with that. Im going to finish the game but if theres no bandages, dark world, secret warp holes, or anything that made super meat boy im going to be highly disappointed. I spent counltless hours on smb love the game for its difficulty well see whats good with smbf

[@catsmoking6485]

there is all of these but they replaced bandages with something else

[@catsmoking6485]

and u sure you watched the vid? pretty sure they showed the dark world in the vid

[@Alanzice]

Great video. Loved the argumentation and i agree. Happy holidays!

[@lost_siren]

i went into forever blind and was super disappointed at the auto runner route

[@bulb9970]

“Let’s make a game with super precise controls and well crafted challenging but fair level design. Then let’s make a sequel with the exact opposite of those two things.”

[@branflakes11]

At the end of "Indie Game The Movie" the captions said Ed and Tommy were working on SMB sequel back in like 2012. I was also taken back from the choice in gameplay style. Still gonna pick it up though.

[@jijigri9224]

Although your opinion is fair and understandable, I can't help but disagree slightly. Each chunk that composes a level has been handcrafted, and the game took so much time to be made because they crafted thousands of chunks to make sure the game would be replayable. The chunk might seem not very well designed in the first chapter, I guess it's because they had very few mechanic to build hundred of chunks with. But in the later chapters, I think the level design really shines. I'm just a bit sad to see so many people not even trying the game out because it's an auto-runner or because the levels are procedurally generated, while it's one of the first big platformers trying to change the formula since years now. Of course, the game isn't perfect, but I'm really glad they didn't stick to a classic platformer, because we just have so many of them in 2020.

[@SquinkyEXE]

The issue is that no one wanted them to try new things. Most fans just wanted super meat boy 2. A direct sequel to one of the best platformers of all time. They're welcome to do new things. If they didn't want to make similar game then fine. It's their game obviously they can do as they please. That doesn't mean anyone has to like it.

[@MrMotown1981]

I think the sequel to Super Meat Boy is a great, little hidden gem called Splasher.

[@kramer1922]

I played this game for 2 levels. Felt like a phone game. Deleted it

[@dexbuild1206]

Ok im finally convinced im just going to not buy it

[@sanspunk1166]

​@dexbuild1206 bro, I'm aware it's been 2 years, and you don't even remember this, but buy it. now

[@x-zykron-x]

When is the xbox and mobile game release? I'd love to play it but I'm not the type of person to own a switch.

[@Helicopter7]

I have no idea

[@janso7979]

$9.99 on Xbox store right now.

[@Dante-nc8zn]

I think this is one of the best videos you've ever done. Very tightly written. Merry Christmas my guy

[@Flpstrike]

You gotta be kidding me, this is why I can't beat any Dark World Level?...and most levels ask way too much for frame perfect crap

[@TheNixedOne]

I felt the same way about SMBF as with this video. It's a game that can stand on it's own and stuff, but don't jump into the game expecting the same thing. As for a Super Meat Boy 2, you can always check out Super Meat World, which came back up in 2018 and has thousands of user generated levels and chapters.

[@Hansov_Bone]

Sorry, but Super Meat Boy just isn't the same without Edmund McMillen and Danny Baranowsky. It's a shame we won't see them together again.

[@BabyDanielBD]

we could’ve at least got Edmund back, but he did have a massive Isaac-related hole to fix between the games trailers and release, so now we got this.

[@wildwest1832]

I like procedural level designs, but I have more a problem with the autorunner thing, and changing it from what supermeatboy was. Players can create hand made levels themselves if the game is good

[@klaus.sfc01official71]

What i wonder are the bosses randomized? like in the binding of isaac. I mean you get a seed and a individual boss out of 20 or something cuz this would me even more like and play this game :)

[@huangkeqi8263]

the bosses are handcrafted and same.

[@klaus.sfc01official71]

@@huangkeqi8263 sad :(

[@huangkeqi8263]

@@klaus.sfc01official71 but they are well designed and can be fought multiple times and be still fun

[@klaus.sfc01official71]

@@huangkeqi8263 yea i am still planning to get the game (steam version) :)

[@aeenetlom5080]

@@klaus.sfc01official71 so uhhh how was it?

[@PeterMasalski93]

Auto runs sucks, they probably did it to get some of that android iphone money... It removed an entire element of jumps, going around obstacles differently and the ability to do proper boss combat... In SMB 1, you had to move up down back and forth to evade missiles and turrets... it was more challenging.. you could pick up some speed and reach unreachable platforms... Now its pretty much temple run for mrns..

[@Caliber30001]

the only thing that triggers me is that I requiere MORE difficult in bosses AND more bosses if there was a thing that loved the most in SMB was the bosses, and the fact that i can now punch them is precious, but i wish there was a lot more of them :c just my personal thought

[@FFSamurai]

This seems like the Zelda 2 of the franchise. Maybe we’ll get a return to form with Super Meatboy 3.

[@Frilleon]

I disagree. Zelda 2 didn’t promise to be the same type of game and it was a masterpiece. It was one of the most influential games of the generation and its concepts live on in RPGs and action RPGs today. Super Meat Boy Forever is just an ok game. I put in over 100 hours of Super Meat Boy and this game just didn’t do it for me.

[@ov3rp0wered]

can someone help me? my little brother (4 years old) resetted my worlds, I still have the characters, but all the worlds are at %0, is there a way to "undo" it

[@QuestionableLogic_]

Considering the ending tease for a next game in forever, your hopes might not dead yet

[@fatyoshi696]

welp time to wait until 2030 for super meat boy 3

[@sh_i_ro]

just bought super meat boy for the first time ever and i was tossing up getting forever. SO glad i got the og.

[@gillythekid]

Also check out the end is nigh, it’s very similar and just as good. I did a short video on it a while back but if you like the original super meat boy, it’s a must play

[@vidarstenberg551]

We will never get a ”true” sequal to smb because both Edmund and Tommy have stated that they do not like making games based on the gameplay of the last. So we will just get new ideas. If that is good or bad, who knows.

[@ARCHIVED9610]

PUYO PUYO 😨 WHY

[@vidarstenberg551]

That’s just how they make games. All we know about SMB 3 is that it’s going to be different.

[@originofcomics4973]

Meatboy was Great man 👍🏻 Great video as usual 👍🏻

[@Helicopter7]

OK

[@matteosignor4256]

Yoo I'm Italian and I say that everywhere

[@patrickthewolf840]

And no one gives a shit everywhere

[@novaofthestars]

@@patrickthewolf840 lmao

[@patrickthewolf840]

@Hayden the Toa truth hurts

[@chimkinNuggz]

In italy the game is called meata-bolla boy

[@mauriziopolenta8646]

hahaha anchio scritto sbagliato

[@dulceb1100]

WOW! Welcome Back muh dude! I heard you had the "downers", and I can relate. But my therapy has always been content like yours. I grant you 1 Magic Pick-Me-Up! Peace!

[@roland6468]

Another good game you can play if you liked super meat boy is celeste, has some great mechanics and lots of levels and has its own dark world levels if you can call them that

[@ticcirodgers1111]

Only problem I had with it is that it's an auto runner feels a bit less impactful

[@edcarter9486]

I think very first tutorial level is not randomized

[@Mcdude02]

I think this would have been a good spin off or side mode rather than a sequel

[@SpitzThe]

So it's basically super meat boy but binding of isaac level generation thrown in, probably gonna buy it

[@xwtek3505]

This would have been good if this is actually an affordable mobile game as originally planned.

[@Fuzunga]

Super Meat Boy actually does have a proper sequel, but a lot of people don't realize it because it's called Celeste.

[@gillythekid]

Actually it’s called The End is Nigh

[@Wack910]

Meat boy forever this basically a casual game but its actually harder than

[@nix2939]

If anyone is after a good Super Meat Boy style game I recommend Slime-San Superslime Edition

[@exe4392]

How can I change the difficulty of the game?

[@EndermanPierce]

For some reason, I really love how this game strings levels together. It sort of makes the game very unique, and you may ask questions about the game to others and their experiences may be different, making each run very special. Just like the saying, every copy of super meat boy forever is personalized.

[@jedisalsohere]

The original Super Meat Boy is my favourite game of all time, but I still really, really like this game. Probably my Game of the Year.

[@ReticularTunic7]

saddly no bonus indie crossover characters and all the so called "characters" you unlock are just reskins with no special abilities and traits like the first game.

[@DoodleWill]

Hoo boy. I love me some Super Meat Boy and Binding of Isaac. In fact I love most of Edmunds stuff barring maybe his more experemental earlier stuff or the weird Dead Baby newgrounds stuff, heck I remember being really hyped seeing Super Meat Boy's trailer back for when it was shown off for Xbox 360. I have so many hours spent on both Meatboy and Isaac. So when I saw that Super Meat Boy Forever was going to be a randomly generated endless runner. I wasn't really optimistic since from what I saw, it didn't really look like Super Meat Boy, it looked like Cloudberry Kingdom with Meat Boy as the protagonist. Plus, (and this isn't to speak bad of Isaac- but,) Isaac has highlighted ALOT of faults of relying on a randomly generated world. A bad seed can make a playthrough utterly unbearable. The reason why some people enjoy Super Meat Boy is the same reason some people enjoy Kaizo Mario, I want to be the Guy and other ballbustingly hard Platformers. Because someone has made them and played through them, It becomes a mark of pride having learnt how to beat them yourself knowing you've done what the original creator has done, when it comes to randomly generated content. It will always feel a bit off, It just doesn't feel personal. This holds true for alot of Romhacks and user made levels, (the more better made ones) you can tell what sort of a creator is making the levels for you based on how they set up the levels. You saw this all the time in Meat Boy. I think I should play The End is Nigh. I remember looking at it and thinking "its a bit too like Meat Boy," but i'm craving some...

[@ThommyTheThird]

The End Is Nigh is fantastic, and will definitely scratch that nostalgia/platformer itch. I hope you've decided to give it a try by now :)

[@TheAxolotl]

Doesn’t have the same charm to me and forever’s characters are just skins basically except tofu boy I miss those diff stat characters

[@Bleats_Sinodai]

I just couldn't get into this game. The endless runner mechanic feels like it's not me controlling the character. I'm sticking to the old game for the time being.

[@Blasterpaster]

for someone who has not played super meat boy or heard of it is a great experience in the second game. I haven't played the beta version of super meat boy or super meat boy itself and I find the 2nd game a really fun and great experience more so than someone who has been around. (im not stating that nobody that has played the games have better enjoyment than people who have been around, but, in this video, I get the points, but its really not all that bad and the game doesn't have anything bad about it. Anyways, this comment is not a punch at the video or anyone, really cause you did say that the game isnt that bad, just wanted to put this here.

[@12171010011010]

*"It's trying to be a different game, and that isn't bad. But it's a different game, so it's bad"* Flawless logic.

[@Torqegood]

Eh runners remove control from the player which kinda is a bit much.

[@gxgax13yt84]

btw the creators of meat boy are the creators of binding of isaac

[@gxgax13yt84]

oh you already mentioned it

[@hamstersamiright8837]

Basically the DOOM 3 of Platformer’s.

[@BreaksBee]

the dev said 10 new game + before u see the same levels

[@SquinkyEXE]

So let's see here. 4 chapters with 6 levels each right? I'll be generous and include boss levels. So that would be 240 "unique" levels which let's be honest probably aren't entirely different from eachother. Some segments will surely be reused. Now what about the original SMB? Every level in that game was handmade beginning to end. Guess how many levels it had? Over 300 and you didn't have to play NG+ 10 fucking times for that either.

[@Helicopter7]

@@SquinkyEXE Ok.

[@dr.ludwik2063]

There is still hope for beater times for meat boy. SPOILER DANGER!!! At the end of game we see: "Dr. Featus will return"

[@JackanFor]

im sure edmund enjoys this even if it isnt the same without him

[@SpaceManSpliffz]

merry xmas, great upload|!!!

[@cosmicspacething3474]

Honestly I think weather ai level generation is good or not depends entirely on the player. Hopefully it’s good enough for another game

[@HandheldGamer1991]

I always think about angry birds and angry birds 2 where the stages are made by the ai and they suck soo bad that i will never buy a game that tries to give me maps/levels made by some stupid ai

[@hmidk676]

Me when i post misinformation in the internet

[@honeybunsophie1590]

Auto runner suck what happened taking your time in levels and you need to speedrun through the levels to get a good time to unlock the dark levels in each world that's stupid because sometimes you're not fast enough so basically you have to do it in one go without dying and hopefully you're you're lucky enough to be fast enough to be the level but if you don't oh well Got do it again till u unlock the dark world levels

[@oo--7714]

Its £1 on steam and people are malding

[@nottoday9182]

Procedural generation only succeeds in making every level way too similar and boring after an hour.

[@bluerious5475]

I mean, each chunk is specially crafted to fit the level it’s in. A lot of the different chunks do hold their own flavor, especially in New Game +

[@nottoday9182]

@@bluerious5475 this game seems to have a better variety but bullshit like the binding of isaac where it exclusively takes place in the same 10 brown cave rooms. It just doesn't come even close to actually taking some time to craft levels with a little care and love.

[@MrMegaManFan]

Honestly? I like it. I don’t mind if it differs from the rest of the franchise. I think the procedurally generated levels work for me. 🤷‍♂️

[@KnightofFunnyJunk]

The character roster screen is objectively the worst aspect of this game. Why are so many of the unlockable characters just copy pasted from the previous game its like they couldn't use any of the copyright characters from the previous game so they had to make original characters but were creatively bankrupt throughout the whole process Meatsona is literally the only new character I like in this sequel because he's both hilarious and broken at the same time.

[@lapine.mp4lapine.mp350]

there's also manic and f-meat and squirrel

[@The_lonely_stoner]

just played it because its free on epic, deinstalled it after the first level because the auto run thing and everything is just weird

[@Iammoneyman420]

I played the game for like 5 minutes before getting a refund. The autorun system makes it feel like an app.

[@ratpunkgurl]

*hasn't said anything of substance yet* "If you like the video make sure to subscribe!" What am I supposed to like yet? Reading facts off of Wikipedia?

[@gillythekid]

It’s called a call to action. It’s reminding people to subscribe if, after watching the video, they enjoy it. I didn’t used to do them but they actually help a great deal. You really don’t have to make comments like this, super negative.

[@ratpunkgurl]

@@gillythekid I understand how KZbin works. However, saying "If you liked this video..." before you've even broached the main topic is kinda eh.

[@gillythekid]

@@ratpunkgurl I didn’t, I said if you like the video, making it applicable to any point during the video. The tense is important. “If you like what you’re seeing, subscribe”

[@chloeleferman2227]

This is super meat boy 2, that’s literally what the devs made it as. They wanted to do something different, but this is super meat boy 2 and I think they knocked it out of the park

[@FrancesFarmer00]

everyone here says that they made something different because they had a vision or something. no, they just wanted to make a mobile game. but the controls from mobile games suck. so the only option that they have with a jump n run where the controls dont suck is an endless runner.

[@pokehorror7777]

Merry Christmas! :D