The Problem With The Flash Show & Its Finale

[@jakeg3347]

you wanted to know if there was allegra fans and that's why she kept getting written into the show. the fan is Eric Wallace. he created her in the comics so he inserts her into the show

[@henrypeters5291]

Also, I think (and this is my personal theory) that they were trying to replicate the success with Wild Dog on Arrow by introducing a street smart hispanic character who is also involved the character's work lives.

[@kurokitsune17]

He thought the actress is hot. There is your answer

[@ClawlessnessScizor]

I mean, the best evidence for that is that the last time someone defeats Thawne, the big bad villain of the entire show, it wasn't Barry, but Allegra. The writer of the show had his insert character defeat the show's biggest villain (that he didn't create) in the final episode with one blow; it's bad fanfic territory but it's super funny because of it.

[@Iamkayceebrown]

@@kurokitsune17 I mean she is

[@kurokitsune17]

@Kaycee Brown yeah, I don't deny that. But not a good reason to not make a good character 😕

[@Mythic916]

Watching this in 2024. Rip Benny. You’ll always be missed…

[@UnknownEX0]

The flash cast was too bloated and they’re too scared to kill off people which drained the budget that they barely had in the first place

[@clearer1152]

Especially with thawne

[@UnknownEX0]

@@clearer1152 yeah and iris should’ve died to Savitar and hot take Cisco should’ve died to reverse flash when he first killed him

[@exoticgeekz3936]

At least send them away to Legend of Tomorrow or another spin off show

[@UnknownEX0]

@@exoticgeekz3936 characters like Cisco, Captain cold, reverse flash, Wally West, Killer frost and fire storm easily could’ve had their own successful shows but instead they rather make garbage like Naomi and batwoman

[@accidentalmadness1708]

⁠@@exoticgeekz3936 why send them to legends when we can have spooner and zari v2 😐.

[@TheWarmachine375]

It sucks that Flash is just a side character of his own show where everyone stomped all over him despite his superspeed capable of ending things before it even happen

[@bluenitethewarrior9332]

I've gotten used to that. But I draw the line when every evil speedster we've seen was taken down easily by the entire cast!

[@NeonWafflez707]

Well why wouldn’t he be a side character in the Cecile Horton show?

[@Dacrazzeonyt]

​@bluenitethewarrior9332 yeah it was so annoying when he would get busted by a lot of villains and every single time he had a member of team flash save him like if it happens once or twice ok, maybe even 3 times, but every time is ridiculous

[@freeze3264]

⁠​⁠@@NeonWafflez707 True Barry is trash this is show is all about Cecile

[@NeonWafflez707]

@@freeze3264 Cecile had more “main character” moments than anyone else

[@lordhawkeye]

Eric Wallace is why Allegra, Cecille and Chester are still around. The ladies are comic book characters he created and Chester is Eric's self insert

[@gadielcastillo3162]

Except this show is about THE FLASH not about Eric Wallace nor his comic book characters

[@Nevouti.x]

@@gadielcastillo3162 doesn't mean he cares about that

[@ScarletTalks]

Cisco was supposed to be unable to be replaced.😭

[@JAYRODo420o23]

​@@ScarletTalksTHAT was what I hated the most about the finale, I kept yelling at my TV "where tf is Cisco?!?! He skipped Barry's birthday party and then they didn't even mention him in the finale... wtff?!

[@sonicsega6]

Chester is Eric Wallace's self insert? So THAT'S why they focused on Chester and Allegra's relationship way too much

[@NK-dt1kp]

Revisiting his old vids. Rest in peace bro

[@blankblank6919]

Every single power cecile has, from the first to last, literally came outta nowhere with no explanation

[@bluenitethewarrior9332]

Wdym? It came from somewhere. It came from Eric Wallace!

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@bluenitethewarrior9332 the real reverse Flash

[@justakapil3193]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp underrated comment

[@xboxemoji4773]

@@bluenitethewarrior9332yes it came from somewhere, “literally nowhere!” 😂

[@wmj1860]

The fact that it didn't end with Barry saying "My name is Barry Allen and I'm the fastest man alive" right before it cut to black was a massive L in my opinion.

[@sarahudson108]

But he did share his power with 3 new speedsters , he also got a happy ending with Iris and his daughter Nora , he also knew in a few years his son Bart jr would be born to complete their family .

[@tylerchalloner6609]

He should have said I’m Barry Allen i like to sit there and stare and watch my friends get hurt fighting villains instead of running them to my private prison.

[@pandag2825]

Yesterday I watched the Flash pilot and the one thing that I feel was missing was the excitement. Grant Gustin's opening narration in the pilot got me pumped immediately. And though a more mature Barry was closing the show, I had the feeling that Grant's heart just wasn't in the delivery. Don't get me wrong, he did his best, but I think he may have felt chained by the powers at be to to deliver their image and their vision of the Flash's ending. And without the full OG cast, the finale felt empty and unfulfilled.

[@phishfoood]

Only watched the first 3 seasons. Every problem seemed to be solved with someone else telling someone to believe in yourself, they then suddenly could do things they couldn't before.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Or to run

[@enadegheeghaghe6369]

Hahaha

[@unversedhero6028]

Stopping at season 3 was the best decision I ever made regarding tv shows.

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

That’s what they literally done every single season. All they need is a good ol pep talk and that somehow gives them the power to defeat their enemies

[@phishfoood]

@@CoOlKyUbI96 I see, I'm glad I didn't stay for the other seasons

[@aagc1988]

RIP - well everyone have two marked points on our life: beeing born and death. and his path was short but i guess he lived a very good life.

[@low-keydrama1260]

For me and my parents, it was the lack of communication. One character finds out about something but doesn’t tell the others cause “They’ve been through enough I don’t want to add more” or “I can handle this on my own” when multiple times, the whole keeping it to themselves did nothing but cause or escalate problems. Just no self awareness

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Got old fast

[@TetsuShima]

Considering that one of the creators of the Arrowverse, Marc Guggenheim, has recently stated that he thinks he's wasted his life making these shows, I think this video couldn't have been posted at a better moment LOL

[@WatchYeego]

He was only mad because he didn't get a greater job because of it. Doesn't mean it was pointless.

[@MumboJumboZXC]

@@WatchYeego it’s been pretty pointless

[@WatchYeego]

@@MumboJumboZXC nah not for fans who enjoyed it.

[@Bruh-fy1jk]

HAHAHAHA😂 I remember him getting overly criticist bc of his dumb decisions

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

If there was an end goal in mind with these shows, then time and resources could've been better spent. But it just kept going on and on. Getting renewed no matter what. They lacked a purpose other to exist and crossover. That gets old, especially with how bad the writing is.

[@TetsuShima]

It's pretty incredible how, with few episodes left to finish the Arrowverse, they just release pure filler in the last Flash season. It's like if, in the penultimate issue of the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" event, Superman suddenly said "Hey guys! Wanna do some racing before our final showdown with the Anti-Monitor?", and then the whole issue would be just about the DC heroes and villains playing Mario Kart. It's just INADEQUATE

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Closing the loop is honestly the best episode of the entire show

[@ZebsAlleyOriginalMusic]

@@theoutsiderjess1869 Not even close, I would say the best episode in my opinion is Season 1 episode 23 or episode 9. Closing the Loop has too many inconsistencies with things set up in previous seasons to be enjoyable for me. For example, as early as Episode 1 we get to see both Thawne and Barry come out of time Portals at night speeding to the Allen house - Retconned, Barry and Thawne were in the past all day apparently. Thawne says they ran back in time during their final battle as Thawne ran back in time to kill Barry and future Barry pursued him - Retconned, Barry and Thawne randomly got placed at that point in time by the mysticism of the positive and negative speed force. Nora informs us that Barry ran back in time while fighting Thawne during their fight in crisis and never returned resulting in the "Flash Missing, Vanishes in Crises" headline. This obviously gets changed and Barry never "vanishes in crises" but this demonstrates the inconsistency in point 2. Barry and Thawne never had that fight despite them supposed to have had it. It just goes on and on, I haven't even gotten into the fact that the original Barry we see in the past in episode 23 and the one we're watching are from separate timelines so this Barry needing to "close the loop" doesn't make sense with it's own time-travel rules. The Barry that "vanishes in crises" already did that. The one we're watching isn't the same Barry. Thawne even explains this himself in season 1.

[@Gzilla313]

Flash getting hit by a Blue Shell would be hilarious

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Okay, but that would actually be sick. One of my favourite episodes of Batman The Brave and the Bold was just when they were doing a Kart Racer to save their city of choice.

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 but the difference between that filler and Flash’s filler was that racing episode of Batman didn’t air during its final season. Filler is fine but not for the final season. Especially when the final season is cut shorter than the other seasons

[@trunks38109]

I think the problem was too many characters we didn’t care about. What makes a lot of superheroes interesting is their solitude how like they are carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders. He has a whole team of geniuses and loving friends and family to help him which kinds of takes some of the tension away. I would rather him be a guy living in a apartment trying to juggle his two lives. It could have just been him and one guy on comms like Cisco in a beat up van.

[@accidentalmadness1708]

It’s sound like you want arrow season 1.

[@OneGaurdian]

All Arrowverse shows suffered with this notion that the central heroes each needed their own personal Justice Leagues> Arrow was fine when it was just Oliver, Diggle, and Felicity. Flash was fine with just Barry, Cisco, and Caitlin. But as the shows went on the inner circles just kept getting bigger, and bigger., and not for the good of the show.

[@trunks38109]

@Rdh FFFutogen Apparently anyone can join Team Flash. Might as well tell the whole world your identity.

[@TheLonelySoulja]

Similar to Spider-Man?

[@TheLonelySoulja]

@Rdh FFFutogen EXACTLY.. nough said

[@jacobdobson895]

Allegra is a character created by Eric Wallace so he probably wants to just include his own character in the show and thats why she stays

[@junior523]

Eric Wallace the Showrunner for the flash created the character of Allegra in the comics so that's why she ended up being a thing in the show, as for Chester I'm pretty sure he is supposed to be a representation of Eric Wallace himself so that's why he's there too and probably why he hooks up with Allegra.

[@seleviathan]

Thats got to be one of the biggest conflict of interests ive ever seen. He adds a character that doesnt work and forces her to work because thays his character ??? Idk man someone in the writing room should have said stop forcing things that don't work but hes proven that his own fantasy is more important that producing a quality show while ignoring the fans ....

[@INFERNO95]

@seleviathan It call abuse of power.

[@eddiepintor8]

At the end everything is run by people just like you and me. Most would if they could it’s about being there.

[@PityOnlyFools]

@@seleviathan Dave Filoni kinda did the same thing

[@looeychewy]

that’s kinda creepy LOL

[@UpcomingAuthor]

Eric Wallace is the creator of Allegra in the comics. So that's why she gets so much spotlight and why Wallace kept her around. She's his "baby" and he wanted us to know.

[@mikey0698]

I've always hated Allegra since the beginning, when they made her a prime member I almost cut the show entirely just for that!!

[@RestrictedAudiencesOnly]

The reason for Allegra is she’s a comic book character Eric Wallace created in his brief comics stint. He wasn’t letting her go anywhere lol

[@MopeeDuck]

The most offensive thing about the finale was. Its just kinda boring, what will Dan do now he's not the flash

[@baligong3592]

I thought he was going to be the next generation of The Cecile

[@haroldnecmann7040]

King's man fan here

[@PetAllDogs]

Dan doesn't look like Grant Gustin. Grant Gustin looks like Dan. He's a true Dan fan.

[@thedukeofchutney468]

One could say he’s a Dan stan.

[@CrossOutBryce]

1. Chester and Allegra already got together in S9, so the finale kiss was pointless 2. Joe's actor became a regular on another show, which is why he's only in 9x10 and 9x13. They gave him a character send off in 9x05 I believe.

[@WillTheGreatest]

Being someone that fell off at season 3, watched a few crossovers, and came back to the show with 9x9 just to see the finale one thing i absolutely know without a doubt is that eric wallace LOVED seeing danielle nicolet in those tight leather pants 😂

[@samuelpietrasinski8372]

Cobalt blue’s lightning supposed to be blue instead of red. This finale suppose to have Cisco, Elongated Man and Kid Flash showing up against the evil speedsters

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

Hes literally called BLUE Cobalt. Why does he have red lightning?

[@Hawkem68]

Damn that would’ve been so much better

[@sleepy9102]

The worst part was how they back tracked on the flash’s tragedies. His mom and dad are back. Speed force avatar and jay garick aren’t exactly his parent but it’s really close. Seeing jay was making Google eyes to the speed force. Even Nora came back.

[@randomaussie8498]

Makes me feel super old whenever he says 'back then' or 'back in those days' in relation to 2014, that was yesterday lol. I know the quality dropped the past few seasons but the Arrowverse will always hold a special place in my heart, up there with the DCAU and Smallville. Loved it all. Sad to see it go, should bring back the 20 episode seasons, limited series just dont feel as special to hear announced. When we heard about shows in 90s, 2000s and early 2010s we knew they would stick around and we'd be watching them for a long time, but with limited series now we get them for like what? 2 months? maybe 3? and then it takes them 3 or 4 years to make another season, looking at you Invincible. Even supes and lois only has 13 eps a season, and they just go on break every 2 weeks to stretch it out which breaks up the momentum and pacing of the show

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Problem is this show didn't have an end goal. It just kept going and getting renewed by CW. Getting worse along the way. In a sense, no purpose like Smallville had Clark grow and become Superman at the end.

[@Drifter1989]

The end goal should’ve been Barry being the one that saved his younger self.

[@christiantrent1030]

I’m happy comic got to see the entire show before he went.

[@JTCH22]

The fact they made a 9 season show about the Flash; the most famous super hero legacy, did Crisis on Infinite Earths, and STILL never made Wally West the Flash, has got to be the biggest fumble.

[@bmagada]

Their version of wally kinda sucked. He was there just to have a side kick.

[@JTCH22]

@@bmagada Exaclty. He was Wally in name only. This show should have been just called Barry Allen. It didn’t care about any Flash but him

[@williampearson6299]

@@JTCH22 What's the difference? I never read the comic.

[@JTCH22]

@@williampearson6299 Barry died in crisis and Wally became the Flash to honor his memory. He spent the next 25 years as THE Flash, introducing concepts like the Speed Force, Zoom, Savitar, Black Flash, and many others. He became a hero in his own right, in many people’s eyes surpassing Barry. He was the Flash for a whole generation.

[@gateofdestiny]

what was the deal with buddhist Wally, was he like that in the comics

[@whosemfnpodcastisthis9398]

Eric Wallace is the one true villain of The Flash. Eobard would be in awe of his work.

[@kashup_9894]

Real😂

[@Hadeks_Marow]

One topic that's interested me that people never talk about: In the arrowverse, the The Flash is supposed to be the superman stand-in and Green Arrow is supposed to be the Batman stand-in (originally). The dark powerless vigilantly friends with the warm-hearted all powerful superhero. By that I mean arrow is a batman show about not-batman and the flash is a superman show about not-superman (because of licensing rights). The above is a claim that was made by Panda Red. What I find interesting about this claim is. . . the forces and the negative forces, alot of people hated their inclusion. . . but they are the stand-in for DR FATE. Or more specifically, they are the stand-ins for The Lords of Order and Chaos. I hated the forces inclusion too as well as hating how they made the speedforce sentient. . . until I understood this is what they were going for.

[@TheLonelySoulja]

One of the big flops was letting and burying Ralph(Hartley). They could’ve took him off tv for several episodes, then let him do a public apology for something that’s not actually a issue. Then once the heat is down bring him back. He was the only later on added character was a good-great addition to the cast.

[@yourkingreturns]

They made him COBALT BLUE but his LIGHTNING WAS RED Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

[@Hadeks_Marow]

the problem with the flash cw is something that I will always compare to a show called dr. robot. In doctor robot you had a large cast but for the majority of at least the first season you ultimately only followed one character. The Flash season 1 did this. In season 2, it tried to share the spotlight a little bit more with the supporting cast and by season 3 I believe that's when the issue became incredibly apparent. That issue is a revolving door spotlight. Characters aren't allowed to exist in the background, you can no longer have a hero who is the central character. Now the entire cast is the main character. Because of that, the show ultimately lacks a core focus. If you can't focus exclusively on one singular thing then ultimately it gives you nothing to care about. The problem isn't that they under utilize characters like Iris, in fact the problem is the opposite. Everyone had a spotlight and because of this, they were all overused. You have this problem in live action more-so than in animated projects _(even animations for the arrowverse on the CW seed didn't have this problem)_ and for the life of me, I have no idea why. They had no supporting characters whatsoever because the show itself has no supporting characters. It only had main characters and because of that, everything in the world felt empty. And this is a not a writing problem; not a budget problem. This is a problem with direction. You can have all these stories AND story elements that the side characters are having, but you don't have to put a spotlight on it. Some things can just happen in the background and can be brought up in passing/mention without showcasing it. Infact it would be better this way as it would leave an element of mystery for you to solve "what happened". Just as an example of this, imagine if episode 2 of the four part finale just didn't air. Instead when Barry returns in episode 3, what if the characters might just say something that references what happens. Context clues that something happened with the side characters without actually shoving it in your face of what happened. It doesn't tell you everything that happened but it gives you a clue and that has you intrigued where now you're curious. All of a sudden, you are adding more entertainment value to the same exact story simply by just saying less. I think that's one of the bigger problems of the show. The old proverb of "show not tell" stays true here except they found a way to "tell" through showing. They are saying less with more rather than saying more with less. To wrap it up (tl;dr): The problem isn't the writing, it's not the story and it's not the budget. The problem is the focus or lack thereof that the show simultaneously has and is missing all at once. If everyone is super, then no one is. Nothing exists to boost the focus up because there is no focus.

[@weeeeee8136]

I kinda felt like they tried to make Eddie evil in a lazy way like he says “nobody even remembers me” or something like that in the same time frame as Nora, Chester, Cecile, Allegra, and like the entire PD acknowledging that at the very least he looks just like Eddie. That just felt like they added that as another way to be like “oh yeah he’s got a bunch of reasons to be bad”

[@WrestlingSmarks]

You are correct that Andrew Kreisberg was fired shortly after season 4 began. Leaving Todd Helbing to run seasons 4 and 5. So Flash essentially has 3 eras. 1-3, 4-5, 6-9.

[@thetruesora]

whatever people think of the way they handled the "final confrontation" between cobalt blue and flash, they acknowledged and explicitly stated that yes: EDDIE WAS RIGHT! his death was just thrown aside and the only actual consequence it had was Barry was now able to move in on Iris

[@creed8712]

You spelled “moved in on his sister” wrong

[@harrambou9468]

@@creed8712 just stop 😂

[@timomajere]

I just hope we get an Injustice type of TV show and Grant Gustin gets to Flash it. I always felt Allegra was just a repurposed Dazzler type. Doctor Light's counter and that was it. Khione was simply keeping the Panabaker around for the finale. Khione was neither Caitin or Frost, they only treated her like that because of how she looked; Imagine being there from day one and being written off in the last season. Eddie flipflopping LITERALLY at the exact moment he had control and being all ' Oh, youre right, Barry'. OMG , No.. Its obvious they just did not CARE to end it with any respect and just wanted to 'get it over with'

[@ayodeledare8724]

Glad we got a finale for this show. Love to see the villains returning. I wish they were there longer.

[@freezypop7698]

As much as this show spiraled to the ground hard (thanks eric) I still enjoy this show. It came out first when I was a kid and now I'm 23. It's just a shame it didn't end on a high note like it should. Really the side characters and the focus on them destroyed this show the most. I can get over meh villains or weird cgi but side characters that never EVER leave I can't. Also grant was the only thing that got me through it. My guys back must be destroyed after carrying the show for so long lol

[@ArcTrooper269]

I cannot watch this show without repeating in my head the words: *Don't stop to Talk, Don't stop to talk*

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Barry talking down Eddie was my favorite thing about the cobalt blue ending as for Iris I feel like her sendoff was telling Eddie that she loves Barry and that is who she will always love and choose. It shows how much different she is from the girl he knew in Season 1 who didn't know who she wanted or loved. It also does well to show how unhiged he was

[@williampearson6299]

How different? Iris has always been loyal to her CURRENT relationship. She chose Eddie when he told her she'd marry Barry in the future. She wasn't going to let pre-destination choose her fate. And she's been consistent as the S9 E1 Time Loop episode showed.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

​@@williampearson6299 different for Eddie he is expecting her to pick him but she can't even when she said that in Season 1 the look on her face showed she was unsure if this was the right decision. If eddie was the one and it was later revealed that she was in love with Barry before his accident that turned him into the flash happened so yes their is growth there

[@OneGaurdian]

It felt cheap that Barry talked him down easily. But the whole Cobalt Blue story line felt rushed. It really should've been the only big story for the final season. Plus, Barry had done this unrealistic talk down one too many times with other villains. Obviously Iris wasn't going to leave Barry for Eddie after all the time that had passed - but I feel like the writers trapped themselves with this whole Barry and Iris are destiny plot point. It wasn't as if Iris just got over Eddie's death overnight. She spent most of season 2 grieving him, so for the writers to say there was no scenario where she would end up with Eddie is a jerk move to the character.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

​@@OneGaurdian well they had 13 episoses and wasted it on red death and filler episodes

[@Panthror]

As for people that have been on the show since the start: Tom Cavanagh has been a mainstay too, but not all of his characters, except Reverse Flash.

[@KenjaD2ROfficialMusic]

4:17 actually Kione was mentioned when Killer Frost first started appearing in Earth 1 Kate back in S3. Through S3 and 4 she’s referenced and 5 as they go through the arc of finding her dad and what not. So there is some decent to good story telling there with the character. It’s been mentioned years ago. Overall tho.. I agree. They just could’ve handled it way better than how it was presented to us

[@lamentslounge]

Tbh i was under the impression that kione was to be killer frost name but since she was called killer frost the whole time she just kept the name not that her father trapped a god in his daughter's DNA

[@MT-sd6yy]

I always expected them to pull a red haired Wally show up like in the comics where Barry forgets og Wally then pulls him back. Then there would've been 2 Wally's. Wally and Wallace. Also if you think about it. There is a timeline from before the show. The show literally starts with a time change.

[@OneGaurdian]

Yeah, I wish they had explored that timeline a little bit. Where the real Wells and his wife built the particle accelerator, Crisis happened in 2024, Barry and Iris had the twins from the comics, Reverse-Flash meeting Barry for the first time, and everything that led to him travelling back to kill Barry's mom.

[@TheGokenshi]

Straight up Jay Garrett and Harrison Wells fan. It's always been great seeing them on screen. Also Nora(daughter), I love seeing her. Cecile has the small dommy mommy vibes going for her😂

[@guitargodthor2]

In season 1, when Barry runs his clothes get shredded from the air pressure around his body. The answer to this problem was his costume that was made for the high air pressure. What they dont explain is why the people he saves, usually by carrying them while running, don't die and are in mint condition when Barry puts them down. In fact, we actually see Barry in later seasons running without his suit. I surmise that the speed force is creating a protective barrier around him since he, himself, is the creator of the speed force. As he runs, he gets more powerful, which causes the barrier to expand. I just wish they gave a canon explanation to this in the show.

[@connorhatchs]

That is the in universe reason I think. Im pretty sure it's mentioned somewhere

[@ahmadkhan-xx8nt]

acuall in season one when barry would save someone their cloths would catch fire

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

I don’t remember if it was ever addressed in the show or not. But at least in the comics, the justification is that whenever Flash is with someone else, he borrows power from the speed force to allow whoever he’s with to be protected while he’s running really fast

[@shardamus_shay]

There is I think in like Season 6 EP 1 whichever one he runs into the black hole in.

[@TetsuShima]

Let's be honest, guys. Barry saving the day with the Queen theme playing in the background was the PINNACLE of the whole show

[@joselozano356]

I think it was flash running into the black hole with the flash gordon theme song but thats my opinion

[@TetsuShima]

​@@joselozano356 That's the moment I was referring to

[@harrambou9468]

@@joselozano356 that’s literally what he said

[@Pr1nce55Barb1e]

Honestly Allegra’s introduction and her storyline with Nash wasn’t bad, then I feel like they didn’t know what to do with her after that storyline.

[@bloodyneptune]

I read that the actor who played Cisco 'couldn't make returning work with his schedule' which I don't believe for a second and completely respect

[@vikasgarg17]

16:59, the showrunner of season one was Andrew Kriesberg, 2-5 was Todd Hielbing, and 6-9 was Eric Wallace

[@kubz3407]

I don’t think it’s that the flash is outdated, that’s unfair to a lot of great shows that come from this time. The primary issue from the flash was that the writers couldn’t find common ground and each wanted to do their own different thing, the best example being how Killer Frost’s powers worked being changed every other episode, this lack of consistency opened the flash up to doubt which led to Eric Wallace being hired. And while he’s not the one who killed the show, he buried the body.

[@epicmonkey6663]

Iris got true closure for Eddie in season 2 episode 17 when Barry ran back in time to get help from eobard and asked Eddie to film a speech for iris's birthday like it would be the last time he would ever see her

[@jasuxi]

it's honestly kinda amazing how you forgot about Cecile, but kinda fits...

[@TheLonelySoulja]

Definitely agree with the closing point, after awhile I was saying to myself I just want to see how it ends.. Enjoyed the first quarter of the series and some episodes of later seasons, but I was just waiting for the Twins to be born and hope it happened with at least a few episodes after so we could see how there life is after they were born, but NOPE no twins and no life after child birth episodes.

[@vikashsasikumar6437]

Allegra is on the show because she was created by Eric Wallace, the showrunner, in the comics I am one of the few people who liked the Flash from S1-S6 and the issue for me is the dialogue, and Eric Wallace's storyline choices S7 onward Also the Oliver Queen episode is a must see. It was great.

[@Bananahammock681]

The dialogue is horrific, especially when you pair it next to Superman & Lois which. When doing the teeny stuff is a little ick, but when they deal with Clark and Lois having actual conversations, seeing each others point of view and even going as far as to say "I have to walk away from this because I am furious but I still love you, we'll talk later" is night and day. I can believe there is a long term love going on between Clark and Lois. I just don't feel that with Barry and Iris, he had infinitely more chemistry with Supergirl. Whenever those two shared a screen it was like seeing best friends just giddy to hang out and it was joyful.

[@vikashsasikumar6437]

@@Bananahammock681 I like West-Allen especially in S9 so I don't know how to respond to that. Especially since I haven't seen Superman and Lois. But what I will say is that the dialogue on the Flash was fine from S1-6 but then after they shutdown due to covid, the quality of the dialogue just deteriorated and I still have no clue as to why.

[@Bananahammock681]

@@vikashsasikumar6437 It really is night and day in the quality of conversations between characters, honestly. I'm happy you found joy in this, don't get me wrong, but the writing in Superman & Lois is just better handled. It's far more balanced, I find. Like, they are speaking to each other as if they have already had a long lasting, strong relationship. They see each others point of view without having to agree with it (an argument over krypto weapons comes to mind) and without trying to win each other over to an argument side, which is what I always felt was the thing in The Flash. One person was right and eventually everyone apologies and said "nah you were right" Lessons were sparsely learned and forgotten about for plot sake and just... wasn't for me.

[@hollowcloplover9539]

I actually like deon (except his backstory that’s like trash in 2 sentences

[@vikashsasikumar6437]

@@hollowcloplover9539 I think conceptually, Eric Wallace's main stories are interesting but the way he goes about them and the exception are just wack or a complete let down

[@sleepy9102]

Bro the fact that Wally didn’t come over to see his newborn niece, was so sad.

[@runisa]

I agree on some parts of what you said but even with that I still would have preferred weekly villains and Barry defeating them for 9 seasons instead of it being a show about Cecile and Allegra and Chester. The problem isn’t just because of story but because the show stopped being about the flash I would have been fine if this show was a Superhero crime show where we see Barry as a CSI in his office like in season one

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

If there’s one good thing I can say about Benny’s passing, (RIP dude), him being trending now because of it’ll do wonders for the channel.

[@hawk79videos]

Confirmed! Dan is a variant Flash.

[@admiraldesto2170]

I stopped watching this show after season 5, and from the little I have learned, I didn’t miss anything. The first season of this show was so cool, but it just kept going downhill. Hats off to the actors for keeping it up for so long though. Now that the arrowverse is rapping up, hopefully that makes way for better life action adaptations

[@ryanmcintee]

Also I think one of the biggest flaws was the wrote off the rogues way too soon in the show. Needed more captain cold

[@migueljaramillo2214]

Season 1 was and will always be my favorite 👌 I honestly believe that if they didn’t use 3 speedster villains for 3 back to back seasons then the shows quality could have been extended by putting a villain like the thinker in the second season since it didn’t matter how fast Barry was against the Thinker and then have Zoom for the 3 season

[@Chris-th5fl]

I do wish it could have ended better but atleast future superhero shows can used this as a temple of what to do and not to do.

[@alexpina7955]

We miss you!

[@chrilee22]

I like how thawne called out Zolomon for copying his plan

[@TOOKKKKASMOKERR]

RIP Bloodhound lil jeff we miss you bro

[@MidwinterKnight]

I am the oddity apparently. I was an Allegra fan when she was introduced way back in season 6. However, by the time season 9 rolled around I just could not stand the scenes that she was in and would actually fast-forward past most of the scenes that she was involved in.

[@BuriedAlien616]

Lightning swords is straight up such a comic book thing idk why people got so mad about that lol

[@fearless4him595]

I liked Allegra simply because she’s pretty. Also, wouldn’t the Flash hitting 3 people with lightning giving them powers put them into a coma in the hospital just like it did Barry when he was “chosen”?

[@adrijobecq]

Barry used Talk no Jutsu. Bro, we are like the same. It was super effective.

[@mayamagick]

Andrew Kreisberg didn't just "leave." He was me-tooed so he was fired. I worked on this show for around 5 solid seasons and partly for two more. The way it functioned internally changed a lot over time and especially after the me too fiasco.

[@jbmtjoy]

You worked on the show itself?

[@DHell-n8i]

Correction comicstorian, Cobalt Blue appeared in one of the latest future comics just look up cobalt blue comicvine

[@draym9024]

I would have liked one last true interaction between the villains and Barry. Reverse Flash got a bit of dialogue with Barry, I would have loved to have seen Barry talk to each of the villains before showing how far he's progressed and finds a smart or interesting way to defeat them.

[@solomac4067]

We need an OG REDHEAD WALLY WEST show so they can introduce the batman who laughs

[@devinowens7832]

We never got the reverse flash origin story in full 😢

[@SeeNo3vil98]

When it comes to ellegra I think of that meme that goes ‘I mean it’s alright’

[@SoraGoku_KH]

I was kinda happy I never got super involved with the CW arrow, and flash. I was SUPER into them back in the day, like season 1-4 or 1-3. And I just stopped watching for whatever reason, to then find out how bad they got, my view of them would’ve changed so I’m glad I never got to see it happened lol.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

My problem with the cw flash started with Season 5 it was the worst season for me. I loved 1-4 but 5 is when I noticed that they don't have any good villains that aren't speedsters Cicada sucked and there was 2 of them I literally cried with Relief when I saw Thawne again.

[@lordkayx]

Was really suprised they couldnt bother to even put some gray hair paint on the future versions of chester ceciel and allegria. Chester even had the same hairstyle. SOOOO LAZY!

[@supermedafighter]

One thing I hated was how none of team flash really reacted to the news that Cailtin was dead, it was that's sad but hey lets have a dance party for her replacement. Outside of the red death and cobalt blue episodes, there's like 2 episodes that are worth watching while half the season was just pure filler with characters that only Eric Wallace seemed to love. Cecile was so much better prior to getting her mind reading powers but once she got them she just became a gag character (and the gag wasn't even remotely funny or entertaining). The red death arc started off decently but the villain ended up being so meh by the end. Also, what is with Eric Wallace cramming arcs into 4 episodes? The cobalt blue/Eddie arc would've been stronger if it was given a few more episodes to breath and they cut the filler stuff. Honestly, they should've had Cecile move away with Joe reduced Alegera's role to a supporting role where she mostly worked at CCC media but very occasionally helped out Barry and the team and maybe just have Caitlin combine with frost again instead of introducing another character. I will say I liked the episodes where Nia & Oliver showed up, I just wish the quality from those episodes went into the rest of the season. Sorry for the long comment/rant but I had so many thoughts and feelings towards this season and show as a whole.

[@dblum]

“It was me Barry, I cut the shows budget”

[@JigglyBooties]

Allegra stayed on the show because she was literally a character created by Eric Wallace in the comics that he wanted on the show. It’s true, we can look it up.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

jesus is she any good in the comics either?

[@travisgames6608]

I mean.. The tv landscape changed since the late 90s. Some of the shows you listed off are older and were the catalyst of that change. The Flash is the youngest of those. Its predecessor being Smallville.

[@mkno2799]

Agree with everything you said, except with game of thrones. Since it aired way back in 2010. Five years before the flash. Also for favourite seasons it would be one and two. I kindly pretend it cancelled after two and they released JLA:flashpoint paradox to resolve plot threads.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Agreed, much better ending

[@andrewkurlzzthedark2976]

Is nobody gonna talk about how zooms and savitars speed lightning are different colors and not their original colors?

[@BubbyBoy]

They literally had an easy touchdown with the first live-action introduction of Red Death, and the show absolutely beefs it trying to shoehorn Batwoman, changing the concept of the character entirely. I get that the CW universe has to also shoehorn their dozens of other shows, and they run on pennies tied with shoestring, but the entire series of episodes with the character felt like a waste of time.

[@Marleykye_official]

I wish we got a proper speedster war like imagine Barry , Jay , Nora , Wally and Bart vs colbalt blue , thawne , zoom , Godspeed and savitar. I also wish Cisco came back for the final battle and I wish the fight was longer plus I feel like someone big should have died so it added more weight to the story. Also Allegra fans and deon fans are as rare as trying to find BigFoot

[@cosmicvcosmic]

Cant believe thats how the ArrowVerse ends

[@lynx4082]

Hearing someone try to say anything positive about the speed light sabers made me cough up blood

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Lol same that's goofy.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

But budget budget and more budget.

[@goldenvulture6818]

To this day its horrible that Hartley Sawyer as Ralph Dibny aka Elongated Man was fired from The Flash. His firing was beyond unjustifiable. He did nothing wrong.

[@luvmyrugratsable]

The reason we never saw him again was because he was fired? He was one of my favorite side characters.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Dude was so cool.

[@SW-zb6bf]

Season 1 & 2 are some of the best superhero live action adaptations in TV history

[@Pyrowith2os]

I’ve always said they did Eddie dirty after the s1 finale by never mentioning him again. Sucks it took so long to even reincorporate him after bringing Reverse Flash back every season

[@williampearson6299]

How? Eddie died a hero. He never needed to come back. People are crying about Eric Wallace refusing to kill characters, there are too many characters on this show. Now he's alive and has to live with the Negative Speedforce knowing Iris is happy with Barry and not him. Jesus that's sad.

[@Pyrowith2os]

@@williampearson6299 his heroic actions got outdone by the show literally the next season😂 please explain how Eobard Thawne was still in the show even though Eddie Thawne was dead lmao. I could care less if the show runner killed characters or not lol but his entire character arc was undone within I believe 5 episodes into s2

[@Pyrowith2os]

So yes, I believe what was done with Eddie’s character and also the fact there wasn’t even a mention of what Eddie did past the literal scene of him doing it, is utterly disrespectful

[@ericjohnson6105]

I was into the series for the two first seasons and then I don't really know, but basically I just tuned out on season three and never really had a point where I though "what am I missing?" I just ignored the remaining and surprised that it came to it's end.

[@richborn6700]

I felt the same when I got season three and the villain is YET ANOTHER speedster who is faster than Barry until 22 episodes later when Iris says "DUH JUST RUN FAAAASSSTER". They somehow repeated that 7 times. Once the side cast got more screen time like on Arrow I had to give up both shows

[@gangofheroes]

Allegra stayed on because she was created by Eric Wallace in my opinion.

[@blueredstar8223]

Heroes was one of my favorite show

[@Playitstraight44]

So which finale was better? Green Arrow or Flash? It was nice seeing those two reunited again in Flash. Missed Arrow.

[@ItsMichaelReid]

At least Barry is alive in his finale.

[@OneGaurdian]

Arrow. Flash's ending would've been better had the first and final episode of the Cobalt Blue arc had been switched.

[@joshuaingobo1559]

14:42 It’s Harrison “Timeless” (aka the Original) Wells of Earth-1/Earth-Prime.

[@jac0736]

I didn’t like Allegra, but I didn’t hate her. What I hated is when Chester became the guy who told you how cool things were, and when Cecile became the person who told you how people felt because the actors weren’t good enough to convey it themselves. They also just went over the same lessons again and again.

[@ahmadkhan-xx8nt]

yup i hated it tooo when cecile would sa oh i feel this ifeel that