The Problem With The Producer Community

[@SumnSumnSumnHTK]

This is meant to be an open discussion. Let me know what you guys think Creators and Subscribers can do to make the community better.

[@metacouture]

Hi 👋!!! I’m not a big deal. No idea why you would know me. Turns out, sometimes, I get to talk to people. I was going to do a channel about that. The process. Production. Apps. Interviews. I spent 1-2 years working on that. Liking comments, trying to find any real community away from my existing projects, and trying to participate in some way. You, Bolo, Venus Theory, and DJ Pain 1 were among a few that had anything kind to say. Not a critique, I was invisible for the most part. I’m assuming it is me and I made other plans. No stress meant- I took a step back and realized the best are already here. It’s not about competition, there is enough 100% content already. I decided to be more circumspect and be of assistance to whoever is here and has been putting in the time. Seems a better option for me. Long way of saying: Thank you for saying something. I’ll email to see if I can help. I mentioned it here, for you, and above mentioned, because you and the other top tier artists in here with marketing and audience skills can find a way to funnel that “floating on the outside” market and make a very grateful community. I make music every day that I can move, like I have for 51 years, and always will. I still release music as a singer / songwriter…however, some of the most important, influential, and talented musicians and artists that I have met didn’t, won’t, and never will release. If you connect with them specifically? You make content. You also are a real recording artist with unique and specific skills that match any professional songwriter. If there is going to be a music community in here? (You and the ones I mentioned produce a lot of new music all the time). Aside from a very few, most of the conversations are about money. Making music and making money are separate skills. There is abundant support for professional musicians and producers here. We are pretty solo as a group. Beginning musicians and producers or non releasing artists have little or no resources other than a few and you and those I already said. That’s weird for a site with millions. I hope that makes something like sense to you. Thank you 🙏 for your work!!! 🙏🙏🙏 ~ stefan

[@KMcirca82]

the problem is nobody is making actual music anymore everyone has become a sales person. courses, kits, in person appearances, content creators... no diss. the game is saturated. selling actual music isn't lucrative anymore, label budgets for recording barely exist. now producers are more so aiming at generating income from up and coming producers, getting placements is less of a concern. the music is in the background. nobody is formulating new ideas, forming songwriting pools, curating talent or trying to make new musical movements. And as soon as someone does everyone is there to emulate their sound or dissect it. We need more artists and less content creators. I appreciate you but this is my feeling, not every producer should be in the content creator lane. The main objective should have been to make music.

[@Mikolowbeats]

I think you nailed it, a lot of frustration exist in the community because of this. Not everybody wants to work all lanes. I think every lane serves it’s purpose but if you are a Jack of all trades you are a master of none. It’s not enjoyable grinding all the lanes you don’t care about and cheapens the art side of things. The market isn’t over saturated just people aren’t focusing on the lane they want. Some want to make music, some teach, some just like to create content, engineering and etc. Pick a lane and do you, instead of trying to do everything, it is a ton of work for little reward which makes the frustration. Pick a lane you enjoy is how you get the art back, that is how it becomes rewarding for you the individual. Art should be paid for but art should not be made to get paid. To many people trying to get a bag trying to follow some formula. Have to ask yourself (meaning individuals) would you do this for free in your spare time? If the answer is yes you are on the right path and if it is no just find another path why burn yourself out.

[@bobbyboyderecords]

I am making music and money, just pop into any of the AI music gens and you can make a ton of cash. I am to a point that I can automate most of it even dealing with clients and have AI questions about what they want that then gets taken to the AI music gen and sent back to the client. Soon it will just run itself and I can sit back and take the cash. Easy life and I don't even need to sell MIDI packs.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@@Mikolowbeats Well people like Dame push the whole "If you don't have record placements your not a producer type narrative" they do this in order to put them selfs above as many potential competitors as possible. It's easier for them to just block or talk trash about those around them who make just as good music as them but for ever reason haven't made it in terms of success. Now He doesn't always do this, there are times when He has actually encouraged lesser known producers to improve there marketing and sell them selfs.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@@bobbyboyderecords Are you joking lol? You can add AI bot listeners to and close the loop. AI music made by AI generaters, and pakage that in AI art and video then trend on social media and Spotify from AI generated bot plays and comments then get successful despite no human ever actually hearing your music from start to finish.

[@MadACeTeeMack]

You nailed it 💯💯💯💯

[@jamesdemongey2100]

I think it is good that you made this video. bringing issues into the open for discussion is the best way to solve them. The only way to get through the current state of the music creation biz is by working together and learning from each other. Having more positive minded production process will result in creating a higher quality end product.

[@KickbackCouture]

When you said “Us, as the music producers, we don’t listen to eachother. We just take the parts that we want to hate on or that we like, latch onto that and then attack it” you were spot on. I couldn’t have expressed that better. As a creator, I’ve realized a lot of other creators quietly watch until they have something negative to say. There isn’t much praise for what they do like, mostly reaction videos or Twitter jabs for stuff they don’t like.

[@SumnSumnSumnHTK]

We gotta collab tho!!!

[@Maplefoxx-vl2ew]

your content is actually good tho. if i was you. i ignore all these ppl and just keep doing your thing. you have a lot of educational videos and also videos on free stuff to pull in new viewers. your educational and instructional content is more what ppl really need. we've seen all the free plugin vids over and over already. just keep on doing what you do. i would ignore all this stuff if i was you. if someone makes a video about your video, consider it free marketing and do not reply to them. thats the smartest move in 2024

[@Taetro]

really easy to capitalize on people's rage by saying everything is a scam and every new device is bad. Negativity is viewed as "honest" while any positivity is regarded as "shilling". At the end of the day, the viewers should examine whether the person they're watching has a history of sharing value, or a history of capitalizing on drama.

[@JamesFTB]

Not true majority of you are just delusional. The truth is the truth it's neither negative or positive. The problem is nothing in life will be perfect and people keep expecting that, some of these positive people are toxic about it and that's not helpful either. Balance is key

[@SHAWDIPTHEPLUG]

i think all the misinformation from some producers putting out really bad videos or tutorials to try to sale really bad products is the biggest problem.

[@Maplefoxx-vl2ew]

that's literally the number 1 problem. Sanjay's videos are just long commercials now. unsubbed. i unsub from a lot of ppl over the last year cuz of this reason.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Dame complain's about being called a cloute chaser by YOU, but what I see is him constantly names dropping popular producer channels to basically shoe horn his way into the producer community. He targets You, Curtiss King, Busyworkbeats, Weaver beats to talk trash about them while also at the same time sweat talking them. He blocked Me because someone else blocked Me for basically nothing and they preceded to talk trash and lies about Me. Ok so they think its cool to make a subscriber feel like part of there community (because they where) and then after a single comment that subscriber gets blocked? I have a problem with that and I won't stay quiet about it. You have always been straight with Me and you don't get offended by a bit of criticism like other in this producer space. Is the producer community Toxic? Yes it is.

[@SoulciallyAdept]

@HOLLASOUNDS Dame Monster aka Industry Dame got “I was the Brotha sitting at the back of the classroom who never got called on so now I gotta don a trench and tuck a shotty under it and get revenge” type energy

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@@SoulciallyAdept Thats a good way of putting it, however I would say its more of a "I'm better then everyone, they all trash and I'm not so lets shoe horn my way in because I can't make video's like them". To clarify I was never part of Dames community, I comment on there about 4 times before being blocked for no reason.

[@bobby4f]

Good on you for calling out Dame and his shenanigans

[@sr4triple7s]

The truth is "Negativity Sells"!!!!!!!

[@SimonePhoenix]

A greater truth has NEVER been spoken. HUGE respect!👊🏽

[@djgabri.]

I fully agree with your perspective. In the music industry, whether as a DJ, producer, or rapper, everyone tries to go their own way out of fear that others might take away their livelihood. Unfortunately, hip-hop culture often revolves around competition and inflated egos. That’s really a shame.

[@SoulciallyAdept]

@djgabri. as a straight Black woman I’ve always felt Hip Hop was/is a culture of fragile Black masculinity coupled with prolonged adolescence aka arrested development, in what other genre do you get adult men defending calling Black women bitches, hoes, etc. and degrading men and women through violence and saying they are “keeping it real” when keeping it real ignorant is more like it.

[@Izac1]

Keep making your content I love it. The free plugins are useful

[@Qomplex]

Keep doing your thing man! LOL leaving this part 18:59 in the video.

[@scalgbra]

I love what you're doing for the community... especially the free plugin reviews

[@PULSEMusicGroup]

Great points and TOTALLY agree with you on colaborations and I think what makes that honestly great is the chemestry between the coloaborators. But I am most def in agreement with you on these points! Great job and topic to speak on for the community! You know we supposed to have been done our thing! We just gotta do it brother! You already know how I feel about Dame and I feel like I dont need o give my energy to something or someone that doesnt deserve it. But regardless I hope and wish him well. Blessings!

[@Kiloeve]

I've noticed that the 'beat' 'community' space [Ave McCree, TaylorTV, Bolo] compared to the electronic [e.g Eliminate, Au5, Virtual Riot, Bishu] and classical [David Bruce composer, TwoSetViolin, etc] music space is a lot more hostile. I still see this in other spaces, but not to the same extent, and the KZbinrs themselves in the other spaces aren't as constantly downbeat and grouchy in their demeanor [that might somewhat sway the audience as well]. With sponsorships, I think more opportunities would be opened up if the sponsorships weren't related to the music, and the KZbinrs reviewing them had faith in these products to begin with. Sometimes, the whole 'buy my book' and course becomes dry after 100 videos from KZbinrs, but I understand they've got to make dough. Again, it's just me, but I wonder how different it would be with interdisciplinary sponsorships [even if they can be linked remotely to music]. Plus, Wytse's snake-oil videos is probably what made everyone surprised with his TEMU video, and even in the review, his honesty on factors like unbalanced cables made it clear that the sponsorship isn't for his audience [probably beginner-to-intermediate mixing and mastering engineers for musicians and artists]. With Jerrod, I think he calls most free plugins 'trash', because there are already free alternatives that do more or less the same thing, so some companies already lose in the battle for market-space. And on top of that, factors like how much latency, oversampling, CPU usage, and compatibility become more and more crucial, as operating systems update, accessibility to music-making skyrockets, and user standards increase. I guarantee most of the free plugins that KZbinrs find don't optimise all of these factors that make a plugin reliable to use. Also, with DAWs like Ableton, he probably has access to devices like max4live and stock plugins which do it, as well as oversampling benefits similar to REAPER and [insert DAW here]. I myself am a Waveform user, but I am not fortunate enough to have the same luxury of adequate stock plugins [e.g the limiter in Waveform is dreadful, the ceiling isn't solid and it aliases hard] so I went ahead and do my own research, as well as view plugin-reports like your news stories to pick and choose plugins that I think tick my needs. You and Jerrod are the only ones I watch the most in this space, because you don't veer off too far into being far too negative or obnoxiously positive, and in my view, you keep it real.

[@ghost-user559]

Let’s be honest, music about banging and dealing comes from people who are not happy. The Classical and Jazz and Alt and Pop scenes generally come from a place of musicality and theory, and less from a place of ego or bravado. It’s not just the Content maker, it’s equally the audience of the “beat” community is dealing with considerably more street and overall undertrained musicians who are doing it often for reasons other than honing music theory. There are exceptions to this of course and there are many who go between different genres and are just focused on music in general, but overall the reason for the different vibes from each category is self evident when you see the subject matter of the music itself each group is involved with.

[@pelennorDSP]

Completely agree about the beat / hiphop producer community vs other music genres producer community. Add to that the metal production community (not as negative / tribal ) and the guitarist community (same).

[@pelennorDSP]

@@ghost-user559 Metal is another genre that comes from people that generally aren't happy, and you don't see the same level of negativity etc as you do in the "beat" community. My theory is that hip hop has always been more tribal in terms of people who listen to it, and there is a long standing tradition of artists "beefing" with each other, and then leading their ride or die fans to back them up and attack any fans of the other. And now we have both unprecedented access to fanboys of any content creator thanks to the internet and social media, certain "beat" creators fueling the drama rather than trying to extinguish it, and the result is predictable.

[@ghost-user559]

@@pelennorDSP To be fair metal has a very dark side, particularly the occult, and there is in fact a lot of real life criminal activity that has happened due to the fandom and among the artists particularly in Europe but not exclusively. Metal has also been tied to a lot of antisocial behavior. Although a study did find Metal and Classical are among the highest rated iq among music lovers. The intellectual curiosity required to approach and appreciate the complexity of both types of music has been cited as a possible reason for this phenomenon. It’s not just about the tribalism although that’s very true, the lack of complexity leads to a much larger scale of fandom. A beat is the most primal and tribal form of musical expression going back to the origins of music in human history. It’s easy to keep Classical or Jazz music respectful and supportive when it’s a community based around an intellectually complex and emotionally driven niche appreciation much like Metal. Then there is the popularity angle, because once the masses consider something approachable then obviously you are dealing with more than just true fans, and among a much larger audience it is impossible to have a singular motivation. Jazz had a much worse reputation when it was mainstream due to the substance use that was associated with the Jazz scene and clubs and parties, but when Jazz became more niche and intellectual again in later years, the causal listeners who rode the wave for the party scene, gave way to a more introverted and cultured audience who viewed it more as a classical art form rather than a means to party. So there are many factors that include the artists, as well as the nature of a fandom. Ultimately it’s both. But when something starts gaining traction among gangs, which are by their nature a form of tribalism, and likewise glorifies more amoral behaviors, it’s no surprise that the audience reflects that musical origin. Rock likewise has ties to some dark undertones, the Tate-Manson incident being the most famous example of a scene that attracted predatory behavior after going mainstream. Music has a way of bringing people together, but there has never been a guarantee that the people it brings together are all good ones. Although you don’t hear about too many scandals regarding Gregorian chant lol.

[@maximusxxi]

Salute! You are Right! These dudes just want Drama instead of working together to add value to the Tribe! They not about the Music! If they were things would be different! At the end of the day we either Making Music and adding value or you are slowing up the Tribe to get better! Salute Fam! Thanks!

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Exactly, and it's blatantly obvious they don't like people like Me and You because We will question these people, they can't take even the most basic criticism and act like children. I remember that video of Dame Taylor putting you on his channel and after hearing 5 seconds of your music He instantly calls all of your music trash, it's pathetic. He hasn't heard your music and even if He heard straight fire music from You He would still call it trash. He don't care about anyone else's music unless there in some way getting help from him to do it.

[@3rdARKnight]

I actually watched that particular live stream yeah..Dame is extra no lie I do like his way of setting examples for certain issues when it comes to producer culture itself I.E. selling beats, producer asking prices etc etc those issues I like his no nonsense examples he sets on things of that nature but for the other stuff he could go about it in a different way but hey that’s just how he gives his message what it is but whatever salute though 🤟🏾

[@nilespeshay1734]

Dane is an irredeemable character. He should be left +alone+ on his own little island, where he can cull his audience and be the Sheriff of Negativeland. I would contend that if there IS a "Producer Community", that he's not a part of it. Tutorials? Nope. Product Reviews? Nope. Tips, tricks, strategies? Per his own words.. education is a distant FOURTH on his list of objectives. +TO ME+ anybody who thinks he provides 'value' has been hoodwinked. (And, not for nothin', there's about 100x more video of Weaver making beats than there is of Dane doing the same. So... there's that.)

[@CaptainUncle1836]

He trying to discredit everyone else so you join his shitty little m league , hes manipulative and you an tell he's evil by the his eyes

[@LiamDTurner]

💪🔥Facts…Also, I grabbed that free reverb from your latest video. keep up the good work Sir🔥💪

[@markyeebeats]

I been watching IIInfinite come up on youtube and he been going crazy with collab work. Great example of a producer working with other porducers, big and small.

[@justincase3307]

dame is just like p diddy.. Dame Diddy

[@XELOhh1]

There is no community this is a free for all... People are going to do what ever they want on the web.. I watch alot of people approach youtube differently some for good and most for drama... you made alot of good points in this video its to bad that it will fall on deaf ears.. I really think its a respect thing we dont respect each other and it shows with the disrespect that is given all the time... people would rather give you a negative comment for one point they dont agree with than give you a like for a video they do like and watched. The funniest thing to me is the people who comment something negative and have no videos of there own and have been on youtube for 15+ years and want to tell you how you should do things.. its crazy to me .. just my 2 cents

[@Qomplex]

Agree. Producer KZbin at large seems like the wild wild west. Yes there's a lot of negativity but I appreciate those that are actively providing a positive alternative. Don't give up guys!

[@pelennorDSP]

Dead right, there is if anything a bunch of small(er) communities cultivated by each creator. Negative comments from non creators don't really bother me that much (and most of the negative comments are from people who don't make videos themselves). As I saw on a video from a "how to grow on youtube" creator, content creators don't owe their audience anything , but conversely, the audience doesn't owe the creator their attention And I've been a fan of your channel for a while .. thank you for being one of the creators who tries to rise above all this.

[@XELOhh1]

@@pelennorDSP sad but true ... I just have fun on KZbin once this isn't fun for me I will stop... I like helping where I can it just my nature... 😀🙏🏾

[@AlexValliMusic]

The thing about Wytse is he's established himself as a high end, very critical engineer. And with the reputation Wytse has it's expected for him to be extremely critical of such things like TEMU and bullshit cheap knockoffs. Wytse taking the TEMU sponsorship was something completely polar opposite of what he is known for, it hurt his reputation bad enough that it will financially affect him for at least a little while. TEMU is not a company I trust with anything, not the products they sell, not their prices, not my information, nothing... How companies like TEMU and SHEIN make their money in a big way is farming the information on the devices you connect to them with... I'm talking worse than Facebook level of information farming, also there have been some reports of people getting their bank accounts drained after purchasing from TEMU because their information got out. But for Wytse with someone as prolific and critical as he is about bullshit products, TEMU was a very bad sponsorship for him.

[@pelennorDSP]

Whilst I agree in principle, MixBus TV put up a review of a Temu microphone on his channel within days of Wytse's TEMU apology video. It lasted about half an hour before he took it down (even though he was cocky in comments that he didn't care about any drama and it would stay up) Interestingly, guitar channels seem to get away with "Temu gear" videos without this level of blowback, and they are usually not declared as sponsored either.

[@AlexValliMusic]

@@pelennorDSP The thing is most guitar channels aren't classified as a "white collar" type of thing that Engineering and Mixing is. Audio Engineers and Mixers are held to a higher standard because we have so much experience in recording various things that our opinion on "getting the best sound" weighs more heavy than most of your guitarist's "Favorite sound" or "Their Sound" from their $200 Spider amp that they got off EBay. Not saying that Line 6 Spiders are bad amps, but there's a reason they're not used much in recording studios. Recording, Mixing, and ESPECIALLY Mastering are considered the "White Collar" of the music world outside of the label side of the business.

[@AlexValliMusic]

@@pelennorDSP And as far as MixbusTV goes, he's a knowledgeable guy, but he's kind of an asshole to a certain extent and if he did do a TEMU video, from what I know of his content, it had to have been in a more sarcastic context than like an actual sponsorship, unless he made an apology video too. I don't know the specifics about his channel doing the TEMU vid.

[@pelennorDSP]

@@AlexValliMusic Oh yeah, he's an asshole in comments to his own viewers, absolutely. It was a serious review video, the mic was I think a U87 copy and he compared it with a real U87 using his girlfriend as the vocalist? It's possible it was a non sponsored, self funded review, but even so, probably not the best idea

[@pelennorDSP]

@@AlexValliMusic That's true to an extent, although I'd argue that given how good the state of the art amp sims etc are now, more and more guitarists are delving into the audio engineering side. Even if it's just for doing demo tracks for their band. There are also established engineers turned content creators(that heavily feature guitar) of various size channels from Frightbox to SpectreSound Studios. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fl7RhGWdm9efos0 is an interesting example, he might have got some leniency because he was upfront about the TEMU issues. Whereas even the comments on Wytse's apology video were often harsher than that.

[@krazywabbit]

The theory is on point. The reality won’t happen until we all grab a mirror and check ourselves.

[@bobby4f]

@@krazywabbit 👆🏾💯

[@Mill-on-da-track]

The music producer community is more toxic than the video game community at times lol

[@alfredgrupstra]

It's even stronger, some characters even want to finish you when you do something they don't like. That's why I just do my thing and propagate free music. Take it if you want it, let it if not. That 1 cent Spotify fee you may keep.

[@johngreen7546]

Haters gona hate bro. They don't need a reason. You're doing good things bro 🙏

[@davidpeaston8443]

Just make music. And those who KZbin keep uploading. But just keep doing whatever it is that you love. This world is beyond perfect. So don't worry about the negatives. Be the light. And never travel into the darkness of others trying to find the light switch that they never look for. ✊

[@DoRong]

I’m subbing just from watching the intro!

[@Blazethecreative]

great video. I watched the video you referenced and it made me come to your channel (influencer B) and subscribe. I feel the non influencer side of the community needs to put in more work on who we are watching and what type of creator or community member that person is. respect for influencer A, no question, but I realize im not the target audience. im a dude in my forties who not making music to make money. career been figured out. its about love for music and creating. (old head paragraph lol)

[@nilespeshay1734]

I agree but wanna add....we, the people who watch these videos, are not a monolith.. or even a group of like-minded individuals. Some of us are 40yo dudes who just wanna make songs with/for our friends. Some of "us" are 19yo dudes who ONLY wanna sell beats and 'get rich'. Some, literally, don't make ANY music and just come for the drama. EDM..boom-bap...breakcore...phonk...r&b.. psytrance. We're all doing very different things... with very different tools and mentalities. We're just a bunch of people with overlapping youtube algorithms... We're never going to "move as a single unit"... and it's impossible to "fix" (or govern) a thing that has 1 million +disconnected+ parts, spread out over multiple continents. #OldheadSalute to you, sir!

[@MadACeTeeMack]

It's easy for niche creators to work together because they are all different. There is nothing unique regarding the producer community. Everyone sounds the same while fighting for the same space.

[@unkleskunky]

Perhaps a collaborated approach to reviews could be interesting. Be it hardware or plugins. Might come across as more sincere. I have downloaded a shit ton of free vst's you have recommended, not everybody who wants to make music is a sound designer so free vst's allow for those of us who arent to come up with something different or to inspire in some other way. So much of content creation is about the tea, which may be an us problem more than a you problem.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Whenever someone calls us "a community," the first thing I ask is: how can you call something so divisive a community? This is something I've experience in the art community some years ago before I've given up on drawing altogether. You have these groups where people are hostile towards fellow artists, will only listen to praise and any attempts of trying to create connections is seen as competition. On the music side, this has descended to a level music is the least important for those self claimed producers and musicians. Their music is pedestrian and sounds all the same because it's just a vehicle for other content rather than the content itself.

[@jenstornell]

I think you and Dixon Beats are in the same space and would be a nice colaboration.

[@ProdPB17879]

YESSIR

[@SumnSumnSumnHTK]

I've done a few collabs with Dixon on the channel. That's the homie!!

[@jenstornell]

​@@SumnSumnSumnHTKNice! 😊 Then I want to try another one for possible colab. PULSE Music. Same kind of content, same music genre, same energy and vibe. If you have not heard of him, check him out.

[@Maplefoxx-vl2ew]

true but what would they collab on? a video on free plugins? i just get mine from VU LUFS youtube channel now. .it's zero talking. all limited time only freebies. so like actual paid products usually that are temporarily , they actually demo the plugins too. zero talking in videos. so much better. this guy didn't know how to use Tokyo Scoring strings free at all, but anyway, i don't expect him to know this.. but honestly there are a lot of ppl on here just pumping out crappy videos for views.. it's annoying. Weaver is a good person for calling out the BS.. like just look at Sanjay's channel now.. it's just one big advertisement.. truly gone downhill.. yes i'm sure the money is great for him lol but i unsubbed.

[@85sicc20]

Bro preachin fr!!!💯 and keep drinkin mah bwoi💪

[@IKARIking67]

This was a very good take. I'm sure someone like Ave McCree would agree with a whole lot that has been said. That was crazy how hard people went on Weise at White Sea. He's been trying to maintain that channel for a while and he cares about it's integrity from everythin i've seen. The community needs to stop being so effeminate.

[@grobinson9352]

This was a good video. Thank you.

[@Dadhus1]

The biggest complainers are likely also to be the least creative/capable/successful.

[@JamesFTB]

I see the perspective on both sides of the dame and weaver situation, dame clearly takes his business very seriously so therefore accusing him of something like that, he took highly offensive. On the other end i agree with you, idk what weaver said quite frankly idc, but it is true people are very selective with their hearing, dames point was that he didnt even contact him, gave the guy a platform, and didnt say sorry and i saw on stream when he crashed out and didnt even let you say what he was going to say, dame gotta understand that you cant expect others to be him, or to do what he wouldve did. Your heart will get broken every time. dame is a straightfoward guy who likes interacting with people irl and hes trying to make the community that online, instead of focusing on the ones that do show him love, he attacks the ones that dont want their face on camera or the internet assuming they are all insecure, and even if they are thats their problem to fix and everyone has their own journey. Some of us just dont like being on camera, i have my face on my instagram and fb, but i dont on here because i dont want to yet. I fw dame, i think people like him are necessary because he is very honest, and you can tell he cares but he doesnt show that he cares by kissing your butt and i dont think thats appreciated. That being said sometimes we have to learn to not push too hard because it can be seen as an attack. We have to learn that people are different and thats okay. Once we understand the way a person works its easier not to take everything they do or say as offense. As far as the community, just like irl, you got a lot of people who range from being intelligent to not being intelligent at all, youre not going to find consistency among a crowd of strangers even in the same community. Once again these people are not all the same. I think its weird when fans go to other peoples channels that they dont like, and talk crap, it reminds me of the console war days back in the day as a kid. But guess what... Its always gonna happen because once again, intelligence, and add will power to that as well... The majority are followers. Its why few will actually be successful.

[@ghost-user559]

Can go see what went down. Watch Weavers stream called “the stream Dame doesn’t want you to see”. Dame is very talented and very unhinged. Said he would drive out to his state and delete the guy and it would be Weavers fault. And almost every single thing he says to his audience is the exact opposite of what he does. Tells people not to disrespect producers, then spends 2 hours talking smack about a multi platform producer just because he does understand the concept of Beat leases lol. Tells people this community has to come together then mocks them and calls them trash. Says not to watch tutorials, but all the people who came up on his ANR who he praises say they are self taught from tutorials lol. Like this man is the opposite of what he says in every possible way. He also doxxxs people and brags about it. Said he hunts down and sends a whole team to stalk anyone who disagrees with him and find their family in real life, just because they said a comment on the internet he didn’t like. That’s why he doesn’t want anonymous people, because he can’t come at them in real life.

[@JamesFTB]

@@ghost-user559 I did notice some of what you said, Ive listened to him explain some of the situations, Once again I think what he's trying to do is put real life on the internet, and irl people just aren't as sensitive, and it's just not going to work for a multitude of reasons. What I did notice is he spends way more time focusing on the negative aspect of his community, rather than the positive. That's the issue with the majority of people unfortunately. Gotta balance that out. Dame is clearly a guy that came from a rough upbringing so unfortunately people like that have a habit of letting their emotions get the better of them. It happens to me too.

[@ghost-user559]

@@JamesFTB Yeah that’s true. The biggest thing is the upbringing honestly. Thing is we can change a lot about ourselves, but our core personality is more than a habit, it’s the core of our being. It shapes our perceptions of everyone and everything. Makes him see everyone in life as a challenger or as opponents, to the point where he bans more fans and subscribers faster than he can make them lol. And if a person has a negative self image, they tend to project that, and their own intentions, onto everyone they encounter. Thing is after a lot of listening to him, he doesn’t really explain anything honestly or accurately, it’s all emotions and you have to already know the situation to not be misled. Lots of people take what he says at face value and it creates really negative energy that his subscribers then carry around with them and internalize. Like a person has to know what to take seriously or at face value to gain anything from an emotional person, because a large part of his “teachings” are things he doesn’t actually believe or do, they are just a way in the moment to assert dominance and an emotional response to things he might not want to hear or accept.

[@JamesFTB]

@@ghost-user559 but that's the thing, dame has good days and bad days just like everybody else. I respect it because he doesn't try to hide it. No one is perfect no matter the upbringing. That's why I said you gotta learn to work with people based on who they are. Dame is a bit of a hard ass, not to mention he really doesn't like the internet and how it operates just like a lot of people who lived in poor conditions, we don't see it as real being positive all the time in fact I think it's toxic and fake to pretend to be positive all the time. This is why the FTB in my name stands for find the balance. All things that are alive are in constant motion. Our emotions are like frequencies and they oscillate. Life also oscillates, you have to learn to ride the wave which is easier said than done. Just like sumn sumn and his drinking habits, everybody got a vice, as long as he ain't harming other people, he can do whatever tf he wants within reason.

[@ghost-user559]

@@JamesFTB Yeah I understand that perspective when it’s a real person doing it, but that’s not what I see him doing. He’s not honest, that’s the issue I and many have. Has a lot of gaslighting and other narcissistic tendencies to manipulate people into believing him. If he was actually honest I don’t think anyone would have an issue. Like you can be straight with people and have ups and downs, but that’s not what he does, just like the man here was saying, he edited the video to spin something totally different that didn’t happen at all, and I saw it live, he then kicked this man from the call because he wasn’t just automatically agreeing with everything Dame said. That’s not authenticity and that’s not honesty. It’s more like a highly controlled and shaped narrative that is the complete opposite of a “real person”. If he didn’t talk about “accountability” constantly and then take none, it probably wouldn’t be so obvious. But the fact is he does and says opposite things, he’s constantly scheming and snaking people, deleting comments and censoring anyone that doesn’t fit the narrative. Idk how anyone can call that not hiding. It’s a pattern and lifestyle of deceptive behavior and avoiding accountability while preaching the opposite. Like if you watch enough most of it is all an act. It’s very rare each stream that huge lets down his guard and mask in order to be real and speak from the heart, and even then it doesn’t last or leave room for other people or their viewpoints, he just blocks and insults them the second they have their own opinions.

[@The_Sonic_Ally]

correct.... biggest problem in the community. Dame Taylor at his best. lost a bunch of viewers from him alone. asides that. Elitism is not a problem for Elitists.. and watch out for the 'groupies' they are more trouble than the hosts themselves.

[@Frank-sf4gg]

ty brotha love this. stay a buck

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

Very fair and objective positions. However, I do have to ask if you believe whether you believe the majority of your viewers (given the context of the era which we live in) are truly going to be nearly as objective. I agree with your position on "lack of masculinity", many (especially males) of this period in time are very reactionary, very dramatic, and very overly involved in the positions of others, rather than pursuing their own goals and agendas.

[@soundgrips]

The drama is getting old fast, but unfortunately it happens because people keep watching the videos. If we all stopped watching then creators would have to pivot.

[@jmslewis43]

Crabs in a barrel, it seems like that sometimes.

[@RePeterPod]

This is in every niche. I was recently cancelled because I was objectively more talented and smarter than the most famous creator in my space. It's envy. You have to call them out for being liars and then watch as they destroy themselves

[@triplebeam23]

Dame is the Wes watson of the producer community.. anybody who is anybody knows dude is a fraud .. his whole game is to point as many fingers as possible so nobody looks into him and his abilities.. but what has he actually achieved .. a over priced course and a superbowl placement that nobody can verify...😂😂

[@bobby4f]

😂🤣 accurate

[@WilliamAshleyOnline]

There are different levels to content imo, some people just want to be entertained, however I like to get some value from content I watch as I like to be progressive rather than feeling like I am wasting time. IMO people can do what they want with their channels, I am a pretty peace driven person but some people thrive on chaos and conflict, everyone is different in what they are looking for imo. That said its much harder to do anything in media as a 1 man show, most major artists and personalities have teams to develop and manage their work. IMO collaboration can be super beneficial in media especially when it comes to curating cross over audiences to tap demographics that are not directly in line with feed analytics.

[@ghost-user559]

I don’t think anyone is all anything. When someone is having dinner they don’t have the same desire to watch deep tutorial content, but they might after dinner in their studio. It’s not like anyone is just one type of content consumer. People watch the news when they want current events, but they want to go deep into information when they are in a headspace for that. It’s not as if there are “just entertainment viewers” or “just information people”. The same individuals at different points in the day or week have different needs depending on their environment or energy levels.

[@KBTheMillennial]

Is there an extended version of your intro?? It’s 🔥

[@wizbeatbang8264]

That would be very Live 💯💯💯

[@AndrewTuckerWorld]

I Totally Agree Brother Great Video King 👑👑 💪💪

[@GammaLensMedia]

I'm with you too much drama in this space. If you are up for a calab, hit me up!

[@yiqwaba3833]

This gold and diamonds.

[@OTOKAGEBEATS]

I think alot of subscribers forget that it takes money to have top tier VSTs. These new (subscribers) producers come in thinking that everything should be fire and cheap/free. You cant complain that something is trash while being free. Just move on and don't use it!

[@pelennorDSP]

A lot of creators forget too, especially once they get big enough to get free copies of plugins direct from the companies. I would also argue there's on the whole more innovation of late coming from the free plugin space than the paid one.

[@OTOKAGEBEATS]

@@pelennorDSP thats great and all too. I just think alot of the new guys dont understand that it cost to have real good stuff. These loop companies are not telling these guys that the top tier quality loops comes at a price later down the road when used (if they aren't chopping it up themselves). Basically instant gratification is distorting some of these new guys views.

[@JayfkProductions876]

The content creators waste time being fickle & childish meanwhile those of us who come from the placement world come up on collabs

[@SumnSumnSumnHTK]

This is what I'm saying!!!

[@JayfkProductions876]

@@SumnSumnSumnHTK I've been making music here in 🇯🇲 Jamaica since 2009 & my best placements were always from collab sessions, I couldn't stand drama 😂

[@talldarkstrangerpr]

musicians/producers are competitive af, which is good, but everybody's out for themselves, clicks, and drama for revenue. shame. having said that, temu is trash as a company and the stuff they sell.

[@GameWise214]

Yep I just watch and stay in my lane.....I try to only talk positive about other KZbinr's......But I see it, ninjaz be in they feelings all day and be super big ego trippin with nothing really to show for it.😆

[@ralfmoss]

Well my channel is dead

[@The_Sonic_Oasis]

Lets collab💪

[@88keyz]

Salute 🫡👍🏾🙏🏾🔥🙏🏾

[@MadACeTeeMack]

Way too many beats and not enough marketable music or songs

[@sj1music692]

💯

[@705tv]

Spit the facts ... !!!

[@D0tc0mbeatz]

The online space is a race to the bottom… these platforms have convinced us that their business models needs to be how we hustle. Algorithms are designed to keep users engaged, “influencers” really work for free on these platforms in the name of competition but the biggest winner is the platforms, I built a few myself and the creator economy makes or breaks a platform, these platforms are nothing without the creators but the creators are too busy competing amongst yourselves. The biggest KZbin stars did not get there organically… most of them are collaborating with these platforms, if they can get orders from US gov on who to sensor best believe they create talent they can control… it’s way cheaper for advertisers and platforms to collaborate with creators, that’s why the same people get all the opportunities, just thinking it’s pushing harder you’re missing the point.

[@SOVLTRON]

Who have you reached out to to collaborate with? It starts with setting the example. I haven't seen ANYONE in the community (outside of TB digital, Macshooter, Illmind and Producergrind) It be guys talking about the problem who ARE the problem. Start by collaborating FIRST.. or at least trying until you succeed... you are the 3rd producer TODAY I've seen making a video about the problem in the producer community... You could be watching football with other streamers/creators 🤷🏾‍♂. The problem is a bunch of insular guys (some with fake followers) behind a screen...Im not even a fan of dame.. but YOU are the problem.. YOU didn't want to do the work when you had the opportunity .. You hop on the stream THAT is what you do.. .YOU made that conversation go left with YOUR mentality cuz.

[@SumnSumnSumnHTK]

I've collaborated with weaver beats probably 7 times on both channels. I've collabed with busy works beats, ave mcree, weaver beats, Dixon beats, biga productions, bongonzo. Error the producer, X.E.L. Ohh, Arsiney Music and Error The producer. I've probably done 50 collab with subscribers streams and I've collabed with subscribers on songs. I've led by example.

[@SOVLTRON]

​@@SumnSumnSumnHTK True, in regards to collaborating you are 100% correct and I was uninformed. On the Dame topic, you were 100% of the problem. Instead of hopping on stream with him, you chose to comment and hang out and drink. Those are your choices and the outcome is a result of that. Doesnt make Dame anymore wrong or right. I actually was on your side through that live (when you were rapping etc) seeing that original comment to his invitation was wild my guy.. There was a better way.. as far as collaborations go, I think that the way the 'producer community' goes about it is backwards. Why arent hip hop producers working with people like Taetro, Naomi SV, or Alice Yalcin Efe? Emily Hopkins just did a collaboration with Goth egg that got 1.6M views... Maybe you're collaborating with the wrong people. Especially if a large portion of your audience isn't in areas where they can afford Logic Pro etc. Maybe collabing with larger artists, musicians, etc from their area instead.. Collaborations that makes sense for your target audience and your current breadwinners.. not just another guy you like. Perhaps the 'producer community' should look at themselves as the 'music community' and develop an executive mindset. That to me is the problem. Not the lack of collaboration, if anything the producer community has turned into Real Housewives with all the drama and talking about one another. Alot of ya'll are married with kids wives etc and sound as angry as the incel mafia.. That mindset doesn't attract good business.

[@CaptainUncle1836]

​@@SOVLTRON you talk too much😂

[@SOVLTRON]

@@CaptainUncle1836 ​ @CaptainUncle1836 Talking too much in an open discussion (per OP) is HILARIOUS. Find another way of saying you don't like my comment.

[@SOVLTRON]

@@CaptainUncle1836 you dont exercise enough.

[@cody_raves]

i dont care about the drama. you should make videos making music, not talking drama.

[@jenstornell]

Weaver thinks 99% of the free stuff is bad. He said the same thing in a video reviewing Dixon Beats.

[@ghost-user559]

He says that for a specific reason though. It has nothing to do with the price, he’s praised free plugins as well. It’s more that he has reviewed so many plugins and most of them are literally just reskinned copies of plugins that come with every single Daw already. Like how many EQ or Compressors does a person need if every Daw already has one? It’s about plugins that are just trying to harvest data in exchange for the ten millionth compressor which is no different than what everyone already has.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

He doesn't, he just thinks there isn't very much thats actually new these days because it's all been done. Most of these plugin brands just put new packaging on what already existed before or as stock DAW plugins. I agree with him.

[@Jking86]

Ironic.

[@PrototypeAudio]

Weaver is all about drama, and drama is the currency of the internet.

[@bobby4f]

He definitely likes it but i wouldn't say ALL about...His music review streams are underrated. He actually has a great ear when it comes to breaking down a mix

[@ghost-user559]

I’ve never one single time heard him start it. He will engage with a topic that is pre existing and report on it or give an opinion, but he doesn’t start drama. In fact dude actually has over 100 tracks up on SoundCloud, the people who are calling him all about the drama refuse to post a single beat lol.

[@trackstore4115]

@@ghost-user559 if he not starting the fire he comes with a gallon of fuel - thats the same

[@ghost-user559]

@@trackstore4115 Naw it’s not exactly the same. Especially when you just give your opinions and people know it’s just that. It’s less fuel than the 24/7 news cycle. I mean someone has to report on the music news in the space, and he does it pretty fairly and with some humor. I mean pretty much just says what a lot of people already are thinking most of the time.

[@thedraw9681]

This was a succinct video. !!!

[@markhalpin9711]

What we all need is a new FREE community where people can help each other learn and create MUSIC. It should be part Bandcamp/Soundcloud, part volunteer freelance services and part educational with videos not controlled by Zionist scumbags. All based on genres where you don’t waste the time of people not into what you are doing. Your songs should be FREE for your fans but you can sell merchandise and advertise gigs. If there is a site like this already can you tell me what it is?