The Pros and Cons of Jeet Kune Do • Ft. Tim Tackett

Tim Tackett a Jeet Kune Do legend shares stories from his JKD training and discusses the pros and cons of the martial art of Bruce Lee.
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[@sbgipdx]

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[@hudsljf]

Great interview! Sifu Tackett is awesome. Chinatown JKD is a great martial art for standing up combat. JKD miss BJJ, and combined they are very powerful.

[@MrLee23]

That was awesome thank you! Got to train in Sifu Hartsells garage and lucky to be in one of his day classes at IAMA. Legends all around incl yori, erik, marc, jean jaque, & Dan to name a few. Great moments i will always cherish.

[@jkdbuck7670]

My instructors were his students. They were three very tough guys, had the same instructor and fought differently. Totally different.

[@jkdscott]

Great interview, Tim is a great JKD instructor and great guy, Larry Hartsell was amazing. It is a pleasure to have trained with both. Tim has opened my eyes to how to make JKD work. 🙏

[@shanghaimoon]

Well said, and agree. Keep Banging Away!

[@albertovasari8430]

This was great! Thanks to both of you.

[@TomFurman]

Great show. I had the pleasure of training with Tim, Bert Poe, Larry Hartsell at a Smokey Mountain Camp. The passion in their teaching is clearly apparent. Thanks Matt for doing this podcast!

[@alive2910]

Enjoyed that! - Thanks Matt!

[@thornleychan]

Shame that Ted Wong never lived to see the rise of podcasts. He would have been able to provide a very different view on JKD when compared to all of Bruce’s other students.

[@ricksterdrummer2170]

True! I’ve had 4 JKD instructors. 1 was a student of Ted Wong. Were the other 3 was very focused on Wing Chun stuff and trapping, this other guy who I ended up sticking with focused on boxing and footwork. I think if Ted Wongs influence was the majority of JKD guys, then JKD would be respected a lot more. It is sad indeed.

[@luxurybuzz3681]

@@ricksterdrummer2170 Bruce Lee changed his training over time. I think it depends on when you trained with Bruce Lee on how your "style" is. If you read Bruce's notes, there's less Wing Chun material towards his later years. He didn't completely stop training Wing Chun it just became less.

[@axelstone3131]

“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques. You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily JKD instructor “The majority of people who practice Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.” - Tommy Carruthers, JKD instructor

[@billybob1620]

Fantastic historic document. Thank you for hosting! And my teenage years and early 20s I read every Bruce Lee book and article I could get my hands on. I went to my first Inosanto seminar in ‘89. It changed my life.

[@HomeBizNetworkscom]

Legend... great interview...

[@cliffordcomparato9283]

GREAT Show keep up the good work 👍

[@thinkdistinct1282]

Great to see you two talking!

[@eddienegrino8348]

Mr. Tackett is the most practical Jkd teacher.

[@ericmiller7580]

Thats was great. I loved it.

[@melvinwells8350]

Great interview, see you Wednesday Sifu Tackett.

[@rainbows4dinos]

Awesome convo.

[@ianbrewster8934]

That was an awesome interview. I would love to hear you and Hal Faulkner exchange stories 😃

[@danielbridges8927]

Thank you for this conversation. I had the privilege of attending his garage for a while. I hate this concept of JKD now and the idea that it is some sort of wing chung kali thing. Anyways, thank you.

[@adam28171]

Not a JKD guy but that was awesome interview. I’d love to have you interview and chat to Erik Paulson. If you have can you post up link as I can’t find it online. Practicality over style, but at Tim’s age and as we get older all the grappling arts actually leave IMO to high a percentage of practitioners injuries from knees, necks, shoulders, backs, hips etc.........gotta way up how often you will be in a fight, how often they realistically go to the ground and most importantly quality of life when you start getting all these injuries, let alone surgeries.

[@lancevelez1721]

Great discussion 👍🏻👍🏻

[@jasontobola6272]

Fascinating 🤔👍!!!

[@rynoerasmus7869]

Great podcast!

[@evets1968]

Very lnformative!

[@HolisticEdu]

Excellent! Thank you.

[@sbgipdx]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Drunkenanarch]

Remember reading so many articles with him and Bob Bremer in them. Love hearing the history of JKD and it's evolution 🐵🔥

[@fountainofyouthisawayoflif5560]

Blast from the past. Thanks for that.

[@shanghaimoon]

Tim describes at the interview end exactly what happened between JKD Concepts versus Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do and the 'yardstick' to measure what what works, and get rid of what doesn't work.

[@spirithonorsjeetkunedo1877]

This is a very interesting Interview and insights on bruce lee's teachings. 😊

[@JeffForsyth]

I don’t train in BJJ yet but took one seminar under Erik and I had a blast.

[@zibtihaj3213]

About 4:00 that says it all … we are here cause of our predecessors

[@ramondiaz2851]

I hear your brother!!

[@ropongi1008]

Great interview, can you please interview "The Kung Fu Genious".

[@MrLee23]

Erik Paulson getn the shout out. Yes!

[@kretefu4118]

Paulson is great but he doesn’t do Jeet kune do at all anymore. He will sometimes on his instructional dvds between takes do some dummy work or trapping but it’s more like he is making fun of it. Larry Hartsell was the real jkd grappler.

[@MrLee23]

@@kretefu4118 ive been on sifu hartsells home mats

[@muvmentpodcast8242]

Are u able to do a another interview with Tim?

[@sbgipdx]

We hope so.

[@stephenjones5348]

Since Bruce passed away I feel jkd has gone down hill and nearly all the people that so called teach the system that they call jkd.i don’t here these people doing the 6 mile runs or lifting the weights or training for speed

[@GungFuIsGungFu]

Hello Matt, any chance of having Tommy Carruthers on your show ? As you probably know he is very outspoken, and will tell it.

[@macIain]

Good call would be great to have an interview with Tommy and hear his thoughts.

[@GungFuIsGungFu]

@@macIain fingers crossed that Matt is up for it as it will be a very interesting discussion about Jeet Kune Do and Tommy is very outspoken without holding back the punches. I think Matt will like Tommy.

[@kretefu4118]

@@GungFuIsGungFu all Carruthers does is finger jab and kick to the balls. He has also bashed every one of Bruce Lee’s students I’ve heard him in person bash all of them yet, he never trained with Bruce lol

[@GungFuIsGungFu]

​@@kretefu4118 seems like you are projecting - which you have done for so many years with so desperately trying to build a name of yourself... THIS IS HYPOCRICY ! I know who you are: You are that infamous fake-"JKD" that wanted to become famous and were known for of doing the exact same thing, except you bash every one else - and yet you also have never trained with Bruce "lol" and probably none of Bruce's students...... Funny that you used to do multiple videos of you punching and kicking a smaller female, posting photos of yourself with nunchakus and in an Enter the Dragon pose, and yet you have the audacity to criticize Tommy... Just incredible...... If you actually knew what JKD is really about then you should know that what Bruce emphasized and strived for was actually the principle of SIMPLICITY of "just finger jabs and kicking to the balls" - this would actually make sense to you if you ever been in a real fight and actually trained hard and understood what Bruce was doing. There is so much more into what Tommy is doing, and you dont even train a friction of he has put into what he is going. So instead of being on your "high horse" and so "skeptical" then why not go to his seminars - JUST ONE OF THEM WHEN HE IS BACK IN USA AND TELL TO HIS FACE ! There was this "lion" JKD guy in NY who had his own gym and used to be just like you and putting himself on a pedestal and having this fake smile - but when he actually did turn up on a seminar with Tommy Carruthers and Leo Fong that Richard Torres had put together some years ago, and when Tommy entered the room HE JUST LOOKED DOWN...... You see him in photos in the background being very anonymous and was so quiet and did not make anything of himself at that seminar. Yet he was one of Tommy's biggest haters - on the forums........... I bet that even Matt would not train what you have been "training".

[@kretefu4118]

@gungfu I do not think you know me. Someone posed as me for years a long time ago. I do not bash anyone in JKD. And I have real training under Inosanto full instructor Larry Hartsell, Tim Tackett I had Carruthers here many years ago so me and my students all heard it from his mouth. I'm guessing your an online student. The same ones catfishing me and calling my house 10p times a day. Just tell Tommy I'll have Rick Young visit him again

[@gregorylatta8159]

What works is very subjective. In self defense there are many variables. Combat sports are the same. What works in one situation might not in another. Military training and real Combat proves that.

[@axelstone3131]

Not sure what I think about Tim Tacket. He was 21/22 when Bruce died and how much time did he actually spend learning JKD anyway. It seems there are very few students of Bruce who actually spent a significant amount of time, years, learning from Bruce. I’m not sure Tim is one of those guys. Dan Inosanto, Ted Wong, all seem to have spent a LOT of time learning from Bruce. I’m just not sure about Tim. A lot of people are also teaching Chinatown JKD which isn’t what Bruce was doing during the last year or so anyway

[@johnjackson3727]

NO YOU ARE MISTAKEN....MASTER LEE WENT ETHEREAL IN 1973... SIFU TACKET BY 1973 WAS 6 YEARS PAST HIS FIRST TIME SEEING MASTER LEE 67 , SERVED 4 YEARS USAF DICHARGED 66 3 OF THOSE YEARS IN TAIWAN STUDYING I BELIEVE2 TYPES OF HSING-I, Tai chi N&SOUTHERN SHAOLIN WHITE CRANE AND MONKEY style KUNG FU.BY LATE 66 OR 67 SIFU TACKET HAD OPENED HIS OWN GUNG FU SCHOOL IN REDLANDS CAL. IN 1970 HE RECIEVED HIS MASTERS OF FINE ARTS AND BEGAN AS A HS DRAMA TEACHER. FURTERMORE BY 1973 MASTER /SIFU INOSANTO RECOGNIZED SIFU TACKET AS A SENIOR INSTRUCTOR WITH AUTHORITY TO TEACH JKD AND HEAD CHEF HIS OWN KITCHEN.......INOSANTO,WONG, POTEET... DERIVED AND EARNED AUTHORITY FROM MASTER LEE HIMSELF AS ONE IS ENTRUSTED SO IS ONE AN ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY AS TO WHOM SO EVER ELSE IS CAPABLE KNOWLEDGABLE ETC.....IN THIS ULTRA REAL SENSE SIFU TACKET (MAKE NO MISTAKE) HAS MASTER LEES APPROVAL.... LASTLY IM SURE THAT THE STUDENTS, FELLOW MARTIAL ARTISTS, COMBAT VETERANS, SPECIAL OPS GUYS, ASSORTED BAD ASSES, FORMER RAGE-AHOLICS (WHO WORKED THROUGH AND ABOVE) ANGER ISSUES WITH JKD PHILOSOPHY, THESPIANS AND EDUCATORS WHO REFER TO MR TACKET AS SIFU, FRIEND OR POSSIBLY JUST "A TEACHER I ONCE HAD IN HIGH SCHOOL WHO LIKLEY HAS NO IDEA WHAT A POWERFUL AND POSITIVE IMPACT HE HAD ON MY LIFE".... WILL ONE AND ALL TAKE NOTE OF YOUR UNCERTAINTY REGARDING SIFU TACKET AND FILE THAT NOTE WHERE IT BELONGS .....IN THE NEAREST ACTUAL FOLDER ENTITLED.... A CASE STUDY IN DELUSIONAL NON RESEARCHED CRITICAL THINKING A.STONE FLAWLESS FAILURE/OR ITS ALTERNATE TITLE.... WILL AN EDUCATOR PLEASE TAKE TIME AWAY FROM THE CLASSROOM OR DOJO TO PREVENT IGNORANCE FROM CAUSING A REPEAT OF "WHY DO I CONTINUE TO THINK ALOUD IN PUBLIC FORUMS WITHOUT HAVING DONE A MODICUM OF RESEARCH" 101 REMIDIAL DONT COMMIT TO YOUR OWN FEINTS AND JUKES AXELSTONE

[@chrisbera7952]

Bob Bremer was training at Bruce's house every Sunday for years as well as Three years at the China Town School. Tim was trained in JKD by Dan (While working out with Bob,) , and Dan had Tim teach JKD at seminars. Between Bob and Tim, you aren't going to get much better of a JKD education. Tim's bona fides are stellar.

[@axelstone3131]

Tommy Carruthers, who was taught by Jesse Glover and Ted Wong, along with other Bruce Lee students like Howard Williams, as well as some others, is the closest person in terms of ability and skill to Bruce since Bruce. Check him out if you don’t know who he is.

[@oldschoolmuzzey]

i wonder his opinion on Taky Kimora?

[@DrMathOfficial]

who is that?

[@oldschoolmuzzey]

@@DrMathOfficial one of Bruce Lees , most senior students , now deceased Sifu Taki Kimora

[@John-xk2sd]

Taky was not trained in JKD

[@oldschoolmuzzey]

@@John-xk2sdyou are right, he was a Jun Fan guy

[@superstrangevideo]

Bottom line is, and why these jokers failed to mention it here, I have no idea, is the fact that what worked for Bruce Lee doesn't necessarily work for everyone else. It's like the interviewer here is searching under every little rock for some secret technique that will make what Bruce taught completely obsolete. Strange. Looks like the main thing they are concerned with is how much money they can make as well, which Bruce was totally not in favor of. Bruce said kick when you have to kick, punch when you have to punch. It's not so complicated.

[@tenholindberg9862]

I understand your perspective on police issue, since over 90% of them, newer have to even tuch their gun. Broblem is those bad ones, and the police culture with unions , that protects bad behaviour. We have in finland good police culture, wich affects directly to, what kind of criminal culture country have. 25% of planets convicts in one country, should already draw attention to ridiculuous disparity. Fact is, nowhere are things that way, as in US. And the police question is wholy politisized. And if one thinks, they are applying equal standards everywhere. Just look, how police unions didnt support, jan 6 dc polices actions. Gop just voted against, awarding certain jan 6 police officers. Sure dnc and gop are at equal play this politization of society. But those civ rights protesters are ,working in good faith. For getting equal healthy police culture, than in other western nations. I know the marginal violence etc, is wrong and everybody condems that. But if one individuals ,behaviour is enough, to condemn whole movement, eventhough mov condemns wrong actions, i dont what to do. Especially when recent study showed, how 6 platform and sources, collect only these negative stories, wich whole right amplify. Leaving out that, over 95% of protests, have been completwly peacefull. But as a man of truth, and everlasting values. Should we condemn MLK civ rights protests also now, bcoz also then as now, there where violence and rioting? (in margins, but way more than todays protests), wich was not supported by the movement. But still happened. When asked about that, MLK said, rioting is a language of oppressed. But this happens in organic reactions, when ppl rise up. Right wings protests, are firstly from up to down funded, and organized by those ,way high in society, and of coz, last time, they fought , they did it for those in power, for status quo. While otherside, has always fought against those in power. These are vastly different things. And the police funding part, you should read some data, there is no affected difference to police force, with new policies. Militarization of police force, for poor ppl, does not belong in western enlightement values, and democratic nations. I have nothing but respect for you , but as a m artist, whoes main goal, is to cut bs, and get to truth. (And you are right about that 100%). Its oxy moronic, to see a gentleman living trough these principles, wearing a Q anon shirt, which is not for even about questioning, but the whole sale rejection of truth and facts. Propin Q wich stands for rejection of objective reality, and Warriors way, wich ultimate goal is truth, whatever it may be, does not sync well together. You are respected voice in MA world, shoutouting a group, wich convince ppl, to not believe their own observations and eyes, but rather certain politicians or leaders, is as far away from intellectual approach as can . If i was wrong, and that your shirt just resembeled a very similiar Q shirt, im glad that i was wrong about you, and say sorry. God bless, and respect for the tremendeous contribution to martial arts.

[@TomFurman]

... and leaving us with the, "Wild Times" comment about Larry Hartsell and Tim was cruel!! Perhaps Erik and Tim Tackett on some more Bert Poe, Bob Bremer and Larry Hartsell stories!!

[@MrLee23]

Using no way as way; having no limitation as limitation. Can't imagine any cons.

[@scarred10]

On the contrary,jkd always had specific techs rather than no way,the majority always tried to copy Bruce exactly and never really sparred all ranges and full contact,when they did it was found most didn't work.

[@ThepurposeofTime]

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[@billyohara239]

a lads

[@Yup712]

Funny how Tim Tackett and his crew used to be all about “Original” JKD and disparaging people like his teacher, Sifu Dan Inosanto and ALSO Straight Blast Gym back in the day. But now after MMA has become popular and people have seen what the “Original” JKD guys (otherwise known as “just the Chinatown curriculum”) have to offer that everyone’a tune suddenly started to change. Smh 😡

[@chrisbera7952]

Not true. When I first started Training with Tim (1990) we did a heavy Concepts curriculum; Muy Thai, Shooto, Fillipino arts, Savate, Silat etc..AND we had original China Town JKD. Bob Bremer really opened our eyes to the simplicity and effectiveness of JKD, so we started throwing some things out. You might say that JKD was our base from which we "added specifically what is our own." I and several others had ring fights in southern Ca, Muy thai, Pro am kick boxing, Shootoo, Boxing. JKD absolutely gave us an edge. Our (Tim's) argument is on what JKD is. It's not do anything you want and call it JKD (Concepts). Doing anything you want may make you a great fighter, but just as learning muy thai, boxing and savate does not make you a Karate fighter, neither does combing a bunch of arts make JKD. JKD has a fencing/boxing hybrid stance and footwork, is generally bladed, strong side forward, focuses on intercepting and controlling the distance (Ali and fencing,) using a larger percentage of the lead hand and leg initially, very heavy on boxing with some modified trapping, use of foul tactics (eye jab , groin strike, gouging etc..) since it's a street art primarily, and has a particular way of throwing some tools like the lead straight, the lead leg hook kick, side kick and straight blast, (not a wing chun straight blast.) Our complaint is about definitions, not the value of other arts. Tim and the rest of us stand by that assessment. Now, you can add specifically what is your own; For instance, I utilize Muy Thai tools , (rear Day, elbows and knees, plum, etc.)also I have Catch and BJJ and some fillipino tools I use as well as some WW2 combatives. They all fit on my JKD foundation. If I were to totally throw the essential JKD foundation away, then that's not JKD anymore. Honestly, I go in and out of being a JKD fighter. That's where evolving and expressing yourself honestly comes in. JKD is important as an effective art, and has historical interest and philosophical value. Now that I'm older, I can't move like a JKD fighter should move, so what I may do may be my personal way of fighting, but may be less JKD than I used to use. I can admit When what I'm doing isn't JKD. But who cares What we are doing? It's our personal expression of fighting that matters. Definitions are important however. I'd never do Savate and call it Muy thai, or vice versa. They are different. I may blend them and call it my personal expression of fighting. Now to some extent tools from different arts can be added to the foundation of other arts without obliterating the original art. "Concepts JKD" does obliterate the original art of JKD. It ignores or throws out JKD and calls a conglomeration of Arts JKD. That's just not true or accurate. (there's a history of why this happened.) Those arts are great, but call them what they are, not JKD. JKD has a foundation, just like Savate or Muy Thai. Throw that out, and it's not JKD anymore.

[@amospizzey1]

Way to much theory The simple truth is in LOTS of sparring at all ranges .

[@danielnelson3136]

SBG watches way too much BBC.

[@bassmanjtfunk]

Your truth may not be my truth. That's the beauty of J.K.D. something doesn't work for you. may work for me. I surprised you may not understand this.

[@CBHDK59]

Jeet kune do is what it is, is that style stuck up in the way it delivers its techniques. is not like karate which has many avenes to self defense techniques. the face of jkd is not that of a liberate style, is stuck up with sideway fighting, jabs and cross, plus an attachment to small targets. we can teach the same boxing technique jab to two individuals, only that the jab to one individual, the feeling and skill to that individual might be slower and not as fast as the other fast individual, you train with what you got. now the point I'm trying to make here is, both individuals coming from the same style of boxing. again, we had both a fast muhammad ali and a slow Joe frazier, two fighters with different styles of jabbing and yet both coming from boxing.

[@axelstone3131]

Sorry but saying JKD is whatever works for you is the whole reason nobody knows what JKD even is. That mindset has killed the art. Contrary to snag people say it “is isn’t just a “name”

[@marlonlo9661]

There is no Jeet Kune Do. It is just a name. Don't fuss over it.

[@Polentaccio]

Technically we are all JKD...if you've studied or incorporated things from more than one art... You are JKD

[@axelstone3131]

That mindset is the whole reason the art has been killed. And yet Bruce Lee was doing specific things and teaching a curriculum. You have no idea what you’re talking about. People like you killed the art.

[@chrisbera7952]

True and not true at the same time. Both Bob Bremer and Jim Sewell , China Town students, said what Bruce was teaching them he called JKD. The true part is who cares what you call what you are doing as a fighter. But for clarification it's important because there arte too many people teaching bullshido for JKD.

[@raygsbrelcik5578]

If you're treating JKD as a "Style" of its OWN, you totally mis- understand the principle THEREIN! Lee never intended it to become a SET STYLE, like Karate, Gung Fu, Tae Kwon Do, or ANY of the standard styles. JKD was Created to encourage One's OWN journey. Do you not know what Lee taught? My GOD---'a mere 40 years, and people have ALREADY for' gotten! Sad...

[@sbgipdx]

Tim Tacket himself trained with Lee, and Matt Thornton is very familiar not only has he trained with Dan Inosanto he also read all of Lee's writings.

[@kretefu4118]

@@sbgipdx Sifu Tackett never trained with Bruce Lee. Only Dan Inosanto, Tacketts friend Bob Bremer trained with Bruce. Bob taught with Tim in his garage in Redlands.

[@CBHDK59]

wrong, in the beginning jkd was build as a style, with a blueprint to follow, so yes it can be taught as Bruce taught it. it was only later that Bruce upon researching j. Krishnamurti ideas that Bruce decided jkd is not a style. the man should had left it alone to be a style, now with all this fussing it has become a monster. anyway, at the end every man ends up creating styles, mens needs knowledge, a form of art to teaching something and not just air talk (philosophy.)

[@axelstone3131]

You completely misunderstand the art. “The majority of people who practice Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.” - Tommy Carruthers “Of my art - Gung Fu and Jeet Kune Do - only one of 10,000 can handle it. It is martial art. Complete offensive attack. It is silly to think almost anyone can learn it.” - Bruce Lee Seems like even Bruce himself said it was a martial art.

[@kungfuwarriors]

like so many he is way too verbose. At 3:54 I'd had enough and stopped. Where's the "meat"? I'm tired of potatoes.

[@jaybone4732]

I recently had a conversation with a "Kung Fu Joe". Not hate or argument or anything but Martial talk. I let the guy make his comments and speak, and he really said that the JKD guys should go into the cage and beat up those MMA guys because MMA is just a sport. I let that speak for itself.

[@jaybone4732]

@@mat..n.7061 Thanx for the reply. I think that JKD went a direction Bruce Lee never wanted it to go. On top of that, the "big names" of JKD are never to be criticized. And that was exactly what helped this development. If you dared to question certain techniques from certain styles you were imediately a heretic. No questioning stuff like Kali trapping or Silat throws. Dont insult the gurus. That was what Bruce never wanted. Some of those techniques can work, if you train with Aliveness and know how to dominate the three delivery systems standup clinch ground. Then Silat stuff might work.